I Long For The Fats Of Yesteryear

Summary

Episode Overview

Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Episode: "I Long For The Fats Of Yesteryear"
Air Date: January 14, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Theme:
The episode covers a wide range of current events and cultural trends, particularly focusing on changes in food, nutrition, and health trends in America. Additional discussions include U.S. foreign policy concerning Iran, email feedback from a listener, fast food novelties, and protester-police conflicts using social psychology concepts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. U.S.-Iran Tensions and Public Executions

• [00:49–03:00; 18:13–30:32]
• The hosts discuss former President Trump’s vague but forceful threats towards Iran regarding their treatment of protesters.
• Iranian regime’s crackdown, public executions, and massive death tolls from protests are covered, raising questions about international response and what Trump’s “help is on the way” actually means.
• Trump’s comments on CBS are played and analyzed, with the hosts highlighting the lack of specifics in his description of “strong action.”

Quote [21:03] Tony De Koppel (Trump Interview):
"When they start killing thousands of people, and now you're telling me about hanging. We'll see how that works out for them. It's not going to work out."

Quote [24:14] Trump (Speech):
"To all Iranian patriots, keep protesting, take over your institutions if possible, and save the name of the killers and the abusers that are abusing you, because they'll pay a very big price."

• The hosts discuss the emotional calculus for protesters and their families, and speculate about what U.S. intervention (if any) might look like.

Quote [23:54] Jack Armstrong:
"Well, at some point it's just I want to defeat them, but we're not going to today and me dying is not going to help. At some point you come to that."

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2. Food & Health Trends: "Make America Healthy Again" (MAHA)

• [03:09–13:00]
• Jack and Joe talk about the impact of MAHA and drugs like Ozempic on dietary habits, product reformulations, and supermarket shelves:
  • Major brands are reformulating products (less seed oil, more protein and fiber, reduction of high fructose corn syrup).
  • Discussion about the validity and science of “seed oil panic” and nostalgia for “fats of yesteryear” (like beef tallow).
  • Explores consumer demand driving changes, like the re-emergence of whole milk, more natural colorings, and trendy additives like turmeric.
• Brief debate about eating habits, candy, and adult food choices with a humorous, judgmental tone.
• The hosts criticize diet fads but advocate moderation.

Quote [09:18] Joe Getty:
"I tell you what, as the clock ticks, the calendar pages flip, I long for the fats of yesteryear. I miss playing high school sports and the good rock and roll and the fats we would ingest."

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3. Listener Email: The Potato Chips Controversy

• [13:37–17:47]
• Jack shares a listener’s angry, profanity-laced letter (with $10 enclosed) demanding Joe reveal the brand of potato chips he previously recommended but withheld out of self-interest.
• Joe admits the listener was right to be upset and explains his (somewhat irrational) reasoning for secrecy: possible endorsement interest, uncertainty about spelling, and mistaken belief the chips weren’t nationally available; ultimately, he reveals the brand—Keogh’s Irish Cheese & Onion.
• The exchange provides levity and transparency, illustrating their rapport with listeners.

Quote [15:05] Joe Getty:
"It took us a minute to figure out what it was, but I think it was that I didn't say the brand name of the potato chips I'd fallen in love with."

Quote [17:16] Joe Getty:
"To send me $10 from your fixed income, you really need to get control of your rage. I mean, both things can be true."

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4. Trump's Stance on Economic Policy & Credit Card Rates

• [11:36–12:27]
• Joe criticizes Trump’s recent embrace of populist economic tactics—including capping credit card rates—as potentially inflationary and "Elizabeth Warren-ish," arguing that Trump is showing signs of being out of touch with the economy due to his wealth.
• Brief debate over whether such moves are politically savvy or damaging.

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5. Protest Tactics & Media Narratives: Decision Dilemma & DARVO

• [31:03–36:03]
• Coverage of protests in Minneapolis and the psychology behind activist tactics.
• Joe introduces the “decision dilemma” (forcing law enforcement into lose-lose scenarios) and DARVO ("Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender"), using recent protest events—like individuals bringing children to confrontations with ICE—as examples of advanced narrative manipulation.

Quote [33:50] Joe Getty (on DARVO):
"Deny, attack, reverse victim and offender. It's a tool psychopathic abusers and narcissists use not only to avoid accountability but to turn themselves into the victims and abuse their accusers."

• Hosts express strong opinions against putting children in harm’s way for media or political advantage.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [03:35] Joe Getty:
  "Could be the biggest overhaul in decades to supermarket shelves."
• [05:16] Jack Armstrong:
  "Unless you're four years old, you should not be eating gummy fish. And your four year old probably shouldn't either."
• [09:18] Joe Getty:
  "I long for the fats of yesteryear. I miss playing high school sports and the good rock and roll and the fats we would ingest."
• [12:27] Joe Getty:
  "I don't think [Trump] gets inflation because he's too rich."
• [17:16] Joe Getty:
  "But to send me $10 from your fixed income, you really need to get control of your rage."
• [29:01] Jack Armstrong:
  "They are a bad, bad country that hates the United States. I'd love to see [the Iranian regime] go down... yank him out by his beard. I want to see him dangling from a helicopter by his beard again."

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | | ---------- | ------------------------------------------------------------- | | 00:49–03:00 | Iran crackdown, Trump’s “help is on the way” statements | | 03:09–13:00 | Food industry trends, “MAHA”, ingredient reformulations | | 13:37–17:47 | Listener email about potato chips; brand controversy | | 18:13–30:32 | Detailed discussion on Iran protests, Trump’s responses | | 11:36–12:27 | Trump’s economic populism, credit card rate capping | | 31:03–36:03 | Protester psychology, Minneapolis, decision dilemma, DARVO |

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Episode Tone & Style

The conversation is fast-paced, alternating between serious commentary and sardonic humor. Armstrong and Getty blend skepticism with self-deprecation, encouraging critical thinking but often poking fun at themselves and public figures alike. Their dynamic covers personal anecdotes, pop-culture references, and high-stakes world events—all with their trademark banter.

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For listeners seeking a smart, irreverent take on contemporary politics, health fads, and media, this episode offers a healthy dose of both insight and amusement.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Tony De Koppel]

Armstrong and Getty. I haven't heard about the hanging. If they hang them, you're going to see some things that I don't know know what you're, where you come from and what your thought process is. But you'll perhaps be very happy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump with a lot of very vague threats to Iran. Help is on the way. You're going to see some things that make you happy, assuming you're on the side of overthrowing the Ayatollah, but nothing leading anyone to believe so military action or moral support or more help with the Internet as Elon is dropping starlinks there. Nobody knows, but we'll talk more about that a little bit later this hour.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and I really, really don't want to get hanged, but I'm not sure I see a great distinction between me and my kids get machine gunned on a street corner as opposed to getting hanged tomorrow.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think the distinction is, I mean, in terms of being dead, if you're a protester, there's not a lot of distinction. But I think the distinction is security forces killing protesters in the middle of the night and you don't know how they died or what the circumstances were. So it gets a little cloudy or whatever. As opposed to arrest them, hang them in public, in daylight.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

In the face of what Trump has said, if you start killing protesters, I'm going to do this. I mean, that's just, that's flipping off Trump the way he flipped off that.

[Joe Getty]

Guy at the Ford plant yesterday. Right. Which shouldn't matter that much to American foreign policy. But you're not wrong. I get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So more on that coming up later.

[Joe Getty]

Also, could 2026 end up being as pivotal as 1989? Follow the Berlin Wall, Tian Square massacre, the fall of the, well, the Iron curtain in general, etc. Etc. Interesting thoughts on that to come. Also, an emailer who hates me. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

What was I doing in 1989? I had a pretty good year in 1989, so that'd be all right with me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I was. I was getting started in my radio profession. Poor as a church mouse.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was poor, but I was having fun, so that'd be all right with me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. All right. So are you into the fiber maxing, Jack? Yes. No.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if I am or not.

[Joe Getty]

Grocery aisles are changing rapidly in the age of maha and ozempic. You got your maha, your ozempic, your fiber maxing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Powerful forces pushing the is make America healthy again.

[Joe Getty]

Si, senor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, man.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, could be the biggest overhaul in the decades to. In decades to supermarket shelves. You got cities, states, and federal governments scrutinizing ingredients and processed foods. And for a lot of consumers, protein and whole milk are in. Seed oils are out. Everybody wants more fiber, more protein. So in response, top food companies from Kraft, Heinz to General Mills are reimagining familiar brands as they work to ditch the artificial dyes, stuff protein into their products. And new federal dietary guidelines that we saw last week could accelerate many of these moves.

[Jack Armstrong]

That sounds mostly awesome. I'm kind of surprised that RFK Jr's bellowing about various things has caused enough of a change in people's habits that grocery stores want to change the way they structure their aisles. Is the seed oil thing for real?

[Joe Getty]

Or.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, is there anything to that?

[Joe Getty]

Can't get a grasp of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's actually.

[Joe Getty]

The next paragraph is they describe that giant companies from Campbell's to PepsiCo are launching or expanding potato chip lines made with avocado oil or olive oil instead of seed and corn oils, which are one of the worst things you can e to RFK junior.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, I don't.

[Joe Getty]

I don't. I don't know. I have no idea. Even gummy fish are getting a change. Jack. No more red three. Hello, Beet juice.

[Jack Armstrong]

Unless you're four years old, you should not be eating gummy fish. And your four year old probably shouldn't either.

[Joe Getty]

So companies behind candy browns from Gushers to Katie. Yes. I was gonna say four years older, pregnant, but anyway. Continue.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have you had some gummy?

[Joe Getty]

I can't. Harsh judgments are unwelcome to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

You can't stop on the gummy f.

[Joe Getty]

Gummy sour anything right now. I don't know why. It's awful for me. I know it.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that's what you're wanting?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Do you like Swedish fish at all? Love Swedish fish. Oh, my wife is so into Swedish fish.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, they're so good. So you keep eating those gummies, though, you're going to have a bright orange or bright yellow kid, something like that.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sure that's how it works. Yeah, that's science.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, here at work they've got the vending machine thingy like they do in a lot of workplaces now, where you. You take stuff off hanging on the wall and you go over to the barcode thingy and pay for it. But there's so much crap like that gummy this and gummy that. And I always wonder, who here is eating this stuff. You're an adult who's doing, wow, Judgy.

[Joe Getty]

McJudgerson, you got a pie fork in your jacket.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good point. You can justify pie 8 million times over versus eating gummy bears at a grown up.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. The Supreme Court is not taking your case.

[Jack Armstrong]

Please.

[Joe Getty]

Ridiculous. Terrible. Anyway, you expect to see more turmeric and spirulina extracts and fruit and vegetable juice listed on your candy wrappers in the next few years in response to demands from consumer state laws in the Trump administration.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fruit and vegetable juice. Sounds good. Turmeric. Turmeric. I have no idea whether I need more turmeric.

[Joe Getty]

High fructose corn syrup is disappearing from places you wouldn't even thought to look at it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Rather, that seems to be pretty solid. Solidly. Everybody agrees that's bad, right? The high fructose corn syrup.

[Joe Getty]

I haven't heard any serious disagreement.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. Yeah. I was at a restaurant last night, Henry and I, where they got their soda machine and it's gotten big letters on there. They make their own colas and lime, you know, Sprite, like whatever. No, high fruit. Fruit. None of that. Yeah. None of the corn syrup, so. And American feel, that's appealing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Oh, I think it is. I think it is. Well, I don't know anybody who's ever said, oh, man, I love that high fructose corn syrup. I won't take a substitute. I mean, I don't think it has any advocates other than it saves the food companies money as they make us all obese.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bill Maher's been at war against high fructose corn syrup for a very long time with all kinds of charts about the rise in that. In our stuff and the rise in obesity, which track almost perfectly, and various.

[Joe Getty]

Subsidies that go to farmers for corn.

[Jack Armstrong]

To drive that and blah, blah, blah. I don't.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know, but I'LL bet he's right on that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Americans are also protein obsessed. Weight loss drugs have intensified demand for the nutrient, and food companies are jamming it into just about everything they can. I don't eat cereal because I'm an.

[Jack Armstrong]

Adult, but witness you consider cereal a childish food.

[Joe Getty]

Sugary carby cereals.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's all kinds of grown up cereals you don't have to eat. Fruity Pebbles.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I know, I know. Well, good, because I don't think I could choke it down. I actually really love Frosted Mini Weights. That's got flavor. I'm sorry, fiber. I like raisin flavor, too.

[Jack Armstrong]

Raisin Bran kind of helps me with my, like, my prune situation.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, fair enough. Anyway, so witness the cereal aisle now. Home to Cheerios Protein, Nature Valley Protein Granola. I actually eat those. I shouldn't, but. Cocoa protein. Confused brains.

[Jack Armstrong]

How about Cocoa Puffs? They good for you?

[Joe Getty]

I don't really. I don't think they are. Yeah. Anyway, Kennedy's Maha movement is touted beef tallow made from the melted down fatty tissue of cattle carcasses. Mmm, that does sound yummy. So that's a oil alternative.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a big topic of conversation among people who love McDonald's french fries, that they are going back to the beef tallow or got away from it. I don't remember which. You do know.

[Joe Getty]

No, I don't specifically, but a lot of restaurants and food brands are switching to tallow instead of seed oil. I love this. In its forecast of food trends for 2026, Amazon.com's Whole Foods Market said tallow is making a comeback quote as a nourishing and nostalgic fat. I tell you what is the clock ticks the calendar pages flip along for the fats of yesteryear. I miss playing high school sports and the good rock and roll and the fats we would ingest.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't know that we knew we were eating beef tallow back in the day.

[Joe Getty]

Many doctors in the American Heart association endorse seed oils and say they're better for you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, see, that's where it gets complicated. Of course, there's a number of people who would say the opposite of what RFK Jr says just because they hate Trump. True.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I got to admit, on the whole dietary thing, I do not get caught up in crazes.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't.

[Joe Getty]

I just. I figure just moderation, be smart. Just don't be excessive in any direction and you'll be probably fine. US sales of whole milk rose by 5% in the last year. That compares with a 1% decline of all cow's milk during the same period. So if people are buying milk, increasingly they're buying whole milk. I eat whole milk yogurt. I decided to try some 2% and it doesn't keep me full nearly.

[Jack Armstrong]

What do you wear? A skirt? Come on, get some.

[Joe Getty]

Pretty. Yeah, I know. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, look for changes in your food aisles and do whatever the hell you want because I don't care.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking of Maha, I thought I had something to say about the Ozempic or something, you know, because it's coming out now, the, the version that's so cheap that so many can be on it.

[Joe Getty]

But that's gonna be. The big, big British study came out, said, oh, you gain it back if.

[Jack Armstrong]

You go off it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, well, yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Is that surprising to people?

[Joe Getty]

No, I don't think so. I think it's pointing, I think to some people, but not surprising. You know, there you. If they're, if they don't know the science of this, it's surprising to them.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, if you go on something like that, you're gonna have to stay on it forever.

[Joe Getty]

You gotta keep, like, surely they can come up with some sort of micro dose. Right. But at 25 it doesn't have the side effects, but it works well enough at 25amonth.

[Jack Armstrong]

That doesn't seem like a lot to keep that weight off. I mean I. Plus if you're actually eating less, it wouldn't be hard to make back $25 a month with what food costs currently. One trip to McDonald's would pay for. Not going to McDonald's one time would pay for your drug.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, which reminds me, you know, maybe we can talk about this later. Maybe not. I think Trump has lost his mind on the economic scene, affordability and that sort of thing. He is doing everything and advocating everything he possibly can that will increase inflation. And man, there is no policy of capping credit card rates, which is a terrible idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we have to discuss that.

[Joe Getty]

Various other measures that can compete with inflation. And I've never characterized Trump as the out of touch billionaire. Number one, cuz it's too easy. Number two, he hasn't shown any sign of it and in fact it's been quite the opposite. He seemed to, he seems more in touch with and a fan of common American people than many presidents in years past. On the other hand, I don't think he gets inflation because he's too rich.

[Jack Armstrong]

We do need to talk about the capping credit card rates. Because that's pretty interesting. Trump and Elizabeth Warren kind of working together on that. That's just interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, good.

[Jack Armstrong]

And coming up, we talked Maha make America healthy again. We got to talk Migue. Which Trump truth doubt yesterday. M I G A which we all assume means make Iran great again after his threat to the mullahs there.

[Joe Getty]

And do you want to get to the emailer who despises me?

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely. We've got to do that next.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cool. On the way.

[Joe Getty]

I got a kick in coming. Yep. Armstrong and Gettysburg. The fast food chain Burger King has begun offering the bacon cheddar hash whopper, which features a beef patty, bacon, an egg patty, cheddar cheese sauce, hash browns, and hollandaise aioli. But be warned, it's so greasy that if you dab it with a paper towel, it disappears.

[Jack Armstrong]

I bet that's tasty. I'll try it. They lost me at cheese sauce.

[Joe Getty]

Sounds like a one way ticket to the grave to me. But all right.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we don't get as much actual mail mail as we used to back in the day for obvious reasons. Nobody does. And everybody who runs a business knows you get, you get way more complaints than you get, hey, you're doing a good job. Keep it up. I mean, it's just not in human nature for that. So we got some complaint in, in regular mail yesterday as going through some of the mail and opened it up and there was a ten dollar bill in there. And I thought, oh, dang it, this is somebody who wanted to donate to the boy Scouts when we were raising money. And you've just given me a task of I've got to figure out how to get this to the account or whatever. But anyway, that's not what it was. So I looked at the envelope. It's got typewritten like on a typewriter, address to the radio station and then no return address. And then inside a piece of typing paper folded in thirds like they taught you in fifth grade if you're gonna send a letter. And it says now, we did this for the podcast yesterday and noodled through what it was. When I first read it. It had no idea. It says Joe. And I got a. I can't use the words here because it's got bad language, Joe. The most effed up, selfish words I have heard. There's weird commas in there. So Here is your $10 out of my Social Security check. And by the way, keep your effing secret what the money is to satisfy your tight ass self centered ego I will still listen to the show, but my regards for you will never be the same.

[Joe Getty]

Again. We noodled this through in the One More Thing Armstrong and Getty One More Thing podcast yesterday and use the actual swears. And it took us a minute to figure out what it was, but I think it was that I didn't say the brand name of the potato chips I'd fallen in love with.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who figured that out, Katie or you? It wasn't me. I would have never figured.

[Joe Getty]

I think it was me. Because his anger was totally justified. Right? I would have never figured out Contradictor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joe, the other day, goes on the air and says, I came across the best potato chip ever.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, this is the best potato chip.

[Jack Armstrong]

You'Ve ever tasted in your life. And so I ask, oh, what brand is it? So we can all get some. I'm not going to tell you.

[Joe Getty]

I got to have time to respond to this because, oddly enough, I agree with the writer. Here's what hap. Well, here's what was happening in my head, and it led to a remarkably un Joe moment because I don't really give a crap what anybody thinks. If I did, I couldn't do the job the way I do it. Number one, it's. It's Keough's potato chips number. It's K E O G H S And. And it's specifically the Irish cheese and onion kind that I. They're crack, man. I'm no longer in control. They are. And they've got so blue cheese and somethinger and sour cream and shamrock. Don't try the truffle butter. They're just weird. They've got. What'd you say, Katie? You pointed out they've got like a Guinness and beef or something. Guinness. Guinness. And steak. Steak Y. Salt and vinegar potato chips. Of course. Salt and vinegar, yeah. Here's what was going on in my head. Number one, I thought they were a regional brand, so I didn't think people could get them. Number two, I wasn't sure how to spell it, and I couldn't remember how to pronounce it. And three, in the back of my mind, I was thinking, I love these potato chips so much, we ought to see if we can endorse them because they're so good. And so I didn't say what they were. It was weird. It was not the sort of thing I do, but to send me $10 from your fixed income, you really need to get control of your rage. I mean, both things can be true.

[Jack Armstrong]

I believe that that is your thought process. But it came out of your mouth as just, I don't want you all to enjoy life.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's how I took it. Well, that's. Yeah, well, right, but our angry, angry correspondent. Well, yeah, and like I said, I agree with him. Is a weird thing to do. But how about, hey Joe, why not stop being a dick and tell us what potato chips you like? Joe Gatekeeper. Getty over here. Hey, E O G H apostrophe S Keoughs. You can. Turns out you can get them nationally and they're great. But hey, why don't you smoke a rock a crack instead and end up on a street corner in California? Because they're addictive.

[Jack Armstrong]

$10 out of his Social Security check.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Armstrong and Getty. He's up 26 year old Irfan Sultani, a young man into sports and fashion. He's among more than 10,000 arrested with FE. The first wave of executions could start. President Trump warning if the regime starts hanging, people will take very strong action vowing help is on the way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. What does that mean? We'll get into that in just a little bit. So that's in panel of cbs let's hear, or ABC rather. Let's hear the CBS version of the Iran story from last night.

[Joe Getty]

There was intermittent cell service in Iran and information is trickling out about thousands of protesters killed by security forces. Contacts in Iran also tell us that security forces are threatening hospital staff to turn over the names and addresses of wounded protesters.

[Jack Armstrong]

How horrific is that? You work at a hospital and they come to you, look, I'm going to, you know, whatever, cut off your hands, beat you down, take your kid, whatever. If you don't give me the name and address of that protester. And you'd probably do it. I'd probably do it. Because at some point you got to look out for yourself.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, no. Doctors are collapsing from exhaustion. They've been treating the wounded for two straight days without rest.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, I watched that Elizabeth Palmer report on cbs. First of all, CBS newscast is interesting, man, it is so fast paced and they don't mess around and they don't do long, lengthy, drawn out weather reports and crap either. I mean, it's news, news, news, news, news, news.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the new Barry Weiss thing, I guess. But Elizabeth Palmer in that, that unlike every other newscast I heard of the day where they said, some people say up to 2,000 dead, she said 12,000 dead. Some sources say up to 20,000 dead. So their number was much bigger. And I don't know if that was to Be jazzy or just because they think that's closer to right? I think that's probably closer to right. I mean, she was in. She was one, one little town. She said, we counted 400 bodies right here. Well, how is it 1800 across the country if you counted 400 dead bodies right there in that one little town?

[Joe Getty]

That's legit. You know, I find myself wondering, since news generally wants to do the biggest number, because it's the most. The most exciting, you know, no matter what the story is, even what the high temperature is going to be, they always go for the max. Why? Some have been minimizing it. That's interesting. And how does that compare with Gaza, where they accepted all the wild estimates and not separating combatants with non combatants that Hamas gave them? That's a good question.

[Jack Armstrong]

I guess that is a good question. I don't know why.

[Joe Getty]

But that 400 people in Little town, that's a pretty damn compelling rationale. I think it's safe to extrapolate, you know, at least to some extent across the whole country.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Trump was on CBS News last night talking to Tony Decopola and interviewed about a whole bunch of different stuff, but they started with Iran. And Trump had said or tweeted out during the day, truth doubt during the day, that we'll take strong action and all that sort of stuff. And he was asked what that means.

[Tony De Koppel]

We will take very strong action if they do such a thing. We will take very strong action.

[Joe Getty]

And this strong action you're talking about, what's the end game?

[Tony De Koppel]

The end game is to win. I like winning.

[Joe Getty]

How do you define that in Iran?

[Tony De Koppel]

Well, let's define it in Venezuela. Let's define it with Al Baghdadi. He was wiped out. Let's define it with Soleimani. And let's define it in Iran, where he wiped out their Iran nuclear threat in a period of about 15 minutes once the B2s got there. And that was a complete obliteration, as it turns out, which is what I said initially. Then some questioned it and they said, you know, Trump was right. So we've been right about everything. We don't want to see what's happening in Iran happen. And, you know, they want to have protests, that's one thing. When they start killing thousands of people, and now you're telling me about hanging. We'll see how that works out for them. It's not going to work out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good. Yes. So as you heard the Elizabeth Palmer, I think, talking about the public executions, that's a. Another step toward. We're going to do whatever the hell we want to do as the Iranian government or whatever you want to call them, dictators to say we're going to publicly hang people, we're not going to shoot people, just shoot people in the dark and you find bodies and you wonder what happened. We're going to publicly hang protesters. And Trump found out about that, it seems on the CBS News interview and was asked about that. And Trump said, I haven't heard about the hanging. If they hang them, you're going to see some things that I don't know what your, where you come from and what your thought process is, but you're perhaps be very happy. I guess he was suggesting that maybe.

[Joe Getty]

Tony was on the side of the Mullers or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know what that was all about.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And did you see where the head of the judiciary in Iran said, and I quote, if we want to do a job, we should do it now. If we want to do something, we have to do it quickly. If it becomes late two months, three months later, it doesn't have the same effect. If we want to do something, we have to do that fast. Meaning 5 minute show trials and public hangings now this week.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, there's a bunch of people and he's right.

[Joe Getty]

As dictate dictatorships go, he's right. Oh yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's. I was having this conversation with my kids yesterday, trying to explain it to them and they were trying to imagine, you know, being there and all that sort of stuff. And you know, you could be pretty committed to being a protester. You see enough people shot or beaten down and you actually watch them get beaten down, their arms broken and you know, their eyes gouged out, whatever the hell ye could very easily think, you know, what, what good am I gonna do me and my family by ending up dead? I'm gonna go back home and live under this regime for a while longer. Even as a brave revolutionary, I could see how you could come to that conclusion.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, some people. Yeah, yeah. It goes back to the whole, I remember as a kid the better dead than red. No better red than dead, you know, discussion.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, at some point it's just I want to defeat them, but we're not going to today and me dying is not going to help. At some point you come to that.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Of course, it's, it's seldom that clear. Obviously, are we going to win or not?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Yeah. And one more from Trump. He in a speech, I think this was when he was in, when he was in Detroit yesterday. Talking at the. The car plant, he said this. Clip 72, Michael.

[Tony De Koppel]

And by the way, to all Iranian patriots, keep protesting, take over your institutions if possible, and save the name of the killers and the abusers that are abusing you, because they'll pay a very big price.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, if you're gonna come out and say, save the names of the people who are abusing you, man, you gotta come to some pretty serious help, don't you?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, he's. He's approaching half a dozen times of saying, it's coming. Yeah, it's coming. So I believe it's coming, given his past history.

[Jack Armstrong]

You believe what's coming?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

That.

[Joe Getty]

I have no idea. And, you know, I get so frustrated. Tony De Koppel's question was perfectly reasonable. What does success look like in Iran? And then he goes back to his greatest hits about it looks like Soleimani and blah, blah, blah. No, no, that's not an adequate answer. You're removing a regime or aiding the regime being overthrown. What do you see unfolding next? And actually, you know, if Trump were to say, I don't know, but we gotta get rid of these guys and we'll let the chips fall, that's an interesting thing to say, but I would prefer that, honestly, to the whole, I got Soleimani. Okay, I still wonder what success looks like this time. Yeah, who knows?

[Jack Armstrong]

Bunch of articles out today with what our options are and aren't. Because we don't have near as much military power in the region as we did back when we hit Iran's nuclear program, partially because we have a lot of it in the Venezuela area.

[Joe Getty]

But.

[Jack Armstrong]

We have tremendous capabilities in all kinds of different ways. Are we looking at, you know, trying to knock out the ayatollah? Are we looking at just crippling them with some sort of cyber attack? Who knows?

[Joe Getty]

I've got a pretty good theory. It's a little vague, but I think it's going to look similar to Venezuela in that Trump, who does not get hung up on morality or democracy or that sort of thing, maybe he should, maybe shouldn't. We can argue about that, but he's thinking, all right, the mullahs are completely unworkable as a partner to deal with on global affairs of all sorts, we get rid of them. Who's next up? Who's most likely to step in? In the case of Venezuela, it was the bloodthirsty vice president lady. In the case of Iran, it's almost certainly the Republican Guard. And he's thinking, all right, so we get the Republican Guard in place. They're business people. They're scumbags. A lot of them are religious zealots, but they're mostly business people. We can deal with them. We tell them, look, give up the nuke thing, stop financing Hezbollah and Hamas, and we can do business. We'll make you rich again, we'll make your people happy again, we'll boost your economy. And let's, let's just, let's quit fighting over your wackadoodle ideology. That's what Trump is thinking.

[Jack Armstrong]

If I'm in the street and I'm in my 20s and single and childless, I'm, I'm, I'm taking it to the end, probably. I think it's easy to say from the comfort of a radio studio, but.

[Joe Getty]

If I'm, if I'm 45 and I.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got kids to take care of, I don't know, that's a different situation.

[Joe Getty]

All right? And I don't know, I'm not super comfortable speculating, as I know you're not either. But, you know, you're talking about, you see your best friend beat down and tortured or whatever, and so you think maybe I ought to go home. I think plenty of people see that and think, I'm gonna get you people if it ends my life. So they fight all the harder.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, we've seen what actually happens over many, many decades. Here you have these uprisings. They kill a whole bunch of people. And most people, practically everybody goes home. And that's the end of it for a while until the next time it happens. This could be the time, though. This is definitely the most on the ropes the Ayatollah has ever been.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. They're shaky.

[Jack Armstrong]

Having this conversation with my non interventionist, it turns out 14 year old, like what businesses are. There's all kinds of bad countries around the world, this and that sort of thing, sort of arguments you hear out of people all the time. I said, I, I did point out, and I don't think enough people are aware of this. Iran is the number one enemy of the United States. They have killed more Americans over the last half century than anybody else. Well.

[Joe Getty]

And they continue to support evildoers all over the place. I was reminded this morning that they're supplying many, many, many drones to the Russians to kill Ukrainians, for instance, while they're supporting various wackadoodle Islamicists around the world. They're just, they're a force for evil, destruction, disruption of trade. They're just, they're a disease. The Houthis, Islamic Republic of Iran is a disease.

[Jack Armstrong]

The Houthis, Hamas, Hezbollah, that's Iran. And they also were fighting this at every turn in Iraq for all those years and, you know, long before that, my whole adult life. They're a bad, bad country that hates the United States. I'd love to see them go down. You know, I've been saying, yank him out by his beard. I want to see him dangling from a helicopter by his beard again.

[Joe Getty]

Crosses the line for me, that particular aspect of it. But the initial yanking I can approve.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why?

[Joe Getty]

If you have to ask the question, you wouldn't understand the answer, you maniac.

[Jack Armstrong]

You need a fair trial for the Ayatollah before you draw a man.

[Joe Getty]

Why don't you dress him up for Halloween before you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Before you do a good beard yanking a by, I call it.

[Joe Getty]

I told you, I approve of the initial yanking, just not the dangling from the helicopter. That crosses the line. It will not be allowed.

[Jack Armstrong]

So pull him up into the helicopter before you fly off. Okay. We can compromise.

[Joe Getty]

There you go. See, this is the way democracy is supposed to work.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, that'd be something to see him go down, though.

[Joe Getty]

That could happen today and all. Freaking nut job, hateful woman raping, bashing.

[Jack Armstrong]

No kidding.

[Joe Getty]

Sickos. Oh, my God. You know, you could. And you know, I'm not arguing the case for your boy because I'm sure you did just a fine job.

[Jack Armstrong]

But.

[Joe Getty]

Islamo fascism in general has not gone away. It's still the threat to all that is good and decent that it's always been. That's reason enough to want to get rid of that regime. They are a powerful, violent, almost never resting force for evil on the globe, and it affects us constantly. And while we.

[Jack Armstrong]

And while we set them back a long way, they do want to get a nuclear weapon. And God help the world if they ever do. Right. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens today or in the next 48 hours. And if they start hanging people in the streets and that's on TV around the world, you know how easily Butthurt Trump gets. He's gonna take that as a thumb in the eye in addition to the moral outrage. Right? Right. What are his options? I don't know. We got more on the way. Stay here. What are your thoughts? I'd be interested in what you think. Text line 415295 KFTZ.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

These protesters, some using their bodies to try to stop them from making the arrest. We talked about the snowballs. They definitely use that to try to stop them. And there are people who physically tried to jump on some of the cars that the agents were using to try to get away from that neighborhood.

[Joe Getty]

So that's a description of what's going on in Minneapolis with the clashes between the protesters, interferers, and ice. And I came across some absolutely fabulous analysis that, like my description of the Alinskyite strategy of a decision dilemma. Or is that what it's called? Yeah, decision dilemma, where the protesters intentionally put law enforcement or another person in a situation where they're provoked over and over again to physically confront the protester. Then the protester can videotape it, put it out online, and say, look, we're up against fascist brutes. They intentionally taunt and interfere until there is a response. That's what they're looking for. That's why they're doing what they're doing. This does not apply specifically to whether that woman should have been shot by that particular ICE agent. That is for the investigation, the courts to decide. And it's its own topic. But I thought this was super interesting. I wish we had a little more time, but you'll get the basics. So the decision dilemma is one leftist strategy they use. Another one is Darvo, which I hadn't seen a description of in a while. And I'm so glad the great James Lindsay laid it out so clearly. Aside from the technique of disingenuous. Oh, I'm sorry, he's talking about somebody who's trying to drag the Jews into this. But. So what they're doing is a form of preemptive. Darvo. Darvo is an acronym. Deny attack, Reverse Victim, and Offender. Deny Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. It is a tool psychopathic abusers and narcissists use not only to avoid accountability, but to turn themselves into the victims and abuse their accusers. Now, if you've been in a dysfunctional relationship or family, you might recognize this on a personal level as. As well as a political level. Normally, darvo is used after the fact. A psychopathic abuser is caught doing something psychopathic and abusive, and the Darvo cycle initiates. They deny wrongdoing and go on the attack, accusing the person who caught them of using the problem so they can reverse the roles of victim and offender. Something like this in the case of ice. I'm not provoking ice. ICE is provoking us by being here. ICE is here to hurt us. I'm just engaging in defense of my community. It's self defense. And Darvo can be deployed preemptively, as we can see from an example he used Below, she's pre framing a dangerous situation so that if and when something bad happens, she has already reversed the role of victim and offender. And one of the things he mentions is people in Minnesota or Minneapolis are now bringing their babies and their small children to these protests and interfering with ICE with their child in their arms as like the ultimate horrifying decision dilemma. And Darvo technique. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, I've got such a great example of that from real life, but I just can't explain it to me. So much harm. But yeah, that is a technique. It's a interesting and clearly it's a.

[Joe Getty]

Strategy that's in books, but some people.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are born into it and just intuitively figured out.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Right. Yeah. Well, yeah, they try it, it works, and they see it around them, but. So he let me skip around so I don't have to talk about the specifics involved. The DHS account tweeted out, essentially, it's incredibly dangerous and stupid to bring a baby to a protest. Don't do it. The psychopathic abuser who responded to the tweet preemptively framed this as DHS pre justifying killing babies, adding in just like Israel did, to make it even less honest and more psychopathic and more appealing to their deranged base, which insanely believes Israel did the same thing in Gaza. That's preemptive. Darvo. Her goal is to get people to believe that any encounter that arises between a delinquent obstructionist and a provocateur that involves a baby she brought to the scene as a human shield is ICE deliberately targeting babies in order to harm them. And believe me, these lunatics will work overtime to get that to happen, including to their own babies. I think he's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, you take your little kid to something like that, you are a nut job and want to get a specific outcome.

[Joe Getty]

Deeply crazy. Yeah, I'd say Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

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