I Need You To Go Drain The Fluid Out Of That Stiff

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "I Need You To Go Drain The Fluid Out Of That Stiff"
Date: October 16, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong (C), Katie (F); Guest: Judge Larry Goodman (E), Military Analyst Mike Lyons (A/E)

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Episode Overview

This episode blends personal stories, cultural critique, and in-depth expert analysis on current global conflicts. Armstrong and Getty discuss unusual early jobs with guest Judge Larry Goodman, pivot to New York politics and hacking incidents, analyze the state of the Russia-Ukraine war and the Israel-Hamas ceasefire with military analyst Mike Lyons, and cap things off with a comedic look at the ever-changing dietary advice from health authorities.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Judge Larry Goodman: From Law to Embalming Dead Bodies

Timestamps: 00:46 – 09:43

• Judge Larry Goodman returns to share a surprising early job: apprentice embalmer, alongside his legal career.
  • Goodman discusses changes in law school curricula, noting the shift to social justice and criminal justice critique courses.

    "There's all these different classes that really don't have anything to do with practicing law or passing the bar." (E, 02:22)

  • Explains how, at age 18, he became an EMT and learned embalming as an apprentice in a small California town, working summer jobs at the funeral home/ambulance service.

    "At some point, you were in a room the first time with a dead body, getting cut up. Wasn't that quite the experience?"
    "It was when you're 18 years old, 19 years old. Yeah, it was." (C/E, 05:39–05:41)

  • Shares a vivid, darkly funny anecdote of a first-timer’s scare:

    "The first time I did it was when I had the experience with the moving feet...the person's legs crossed again." (E, 08:12)

  • Describes the emotional impact, including preparing a high school classmate killed in Vietnam.

Memorable Moment

• New Embalmer Prank:

  "You put socks on, go to sew the collar, and the feet cross by themselves. That’s when I said, I'm out of here." (E, 08:12)

• Katie adds family history: Her grandfather was a surgeon and POW in WWII, forced to treat Japanese soldiers during his capture, and her father (Judge Larry) once got covered in blood helping car accident victims, reflecting on their family arc in medicine and public service.

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2. Tech Vulnerability: Airport Hacking Incident

Timestamps: 12:50 – 13:49

• Reports on a coordinated hack at multiple U.S. airports, posting anti-Israel and anti-Trump messages.

  "To me, the big story is why are our airports so vulnerable to amateur hackers?" (C, 13:09)

• Discussion on the risks of system vulnerabilities and potential chaos if hackers posted more disruptive messages.

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3. Politics in New York: Mayoral Debate & Hamas Question

Timestamps: 14:10 – 14:39

• Audio of NY City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani refusing to condemn Hamas or advocate for their disarmament.

  "I don't really have opinions about the future of Hamas and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety." (B, 14:33)

• Armstrong & Getty express concern at his evasiveness and political climate in NYC.

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4. AI Bubble Concerns

Timestamps: 16:46 – 18:57

• Discussion of current articles warning an “AI bubble” may pose an economic threat greater than US-China tariffs.
• Hosts note the intricate, circular investments between AI companies and hardware suppliers, comparing hype to previous tech bubbles.

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5. Britney Spears & "Crazy Mom" Syndrome

Timestamps: 18:57 – 19:02

• Brief commentary on Britney Spears’ estrangement from her children and tabloid revelations about her behavior.

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6. Military Analysis with Mike Lyons: Gaza, Ukraine, and Global Security

Timestamps: 20:42 – 32:16

Israel-Hamas Ceasefire & U.S. Role

• Mike Lyons clarifies Trump’s "we will disarm them" statement:

  "I think he means Israel, number one. And then also these Arab nations...the United States provides intelligence and that support, but that's about it." (A, 21:38)

• Predicts a long, rocky road ahead:

  "This is a 20 year problem set...Usually they fight to the death. They consider this as part of their culture." (A, 22:28)

Ukraine War & Tomahawk Missiles

• Explains what Tomahawk missiles are and their potential impact:

  "The Tomahawk cruise missile is the go-to weapon now…it's not an easy task to all of a sudden give Tomahawk cruise missiles to the Ukrainians because there's no land-based firing system." (A, 23:42)

• Debates whether providing Tomahawks would truly alter Russian behavior.

  "No, but they're saying…I don't think it is, but they are saying that it's a red line for them and it would be...consequential." (A, 25:22)

• Notes continuing attritional war and Russian mobilization:

  "They still have four times the population. They can still withdraw from that pool, which...usually win these wars of attrition." (A, 27:43)

Broader Geopolitical Outlook

• Lyons reassesses U.S.-China dynamics:

  "I think China is much more in a box...we've restored that level of deterrence that we haven't seen since Ronald Reagan in the 80s." (A, 28:50)

• Refers to U.S. unpredictability as a new form of deterrence.

Notable Quote

"We're two and oh in World Wars. And I'd like to think we're going to keep that up should something happen in the future." (A, 30:26)

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7. Health Fads & Government Nutrition Flip-Flops (Comedic Bit)

Timestamps: 37:51 – 41:01

• Airs a satirical sketch: a "future dietitian" repeatedly returns to the past to warn a family about their breakfast, changing their advice every time.

  “We were wrong about the eggs again…We sort of don’t even know what cholesterol is. But the steak. You can’t eat the steak. Wait, we were wrong about the steak. It was the toast. Man was not meant to eat bread.” (Sketch, 38:42–39:16)

• Hosts use this as a springboard to criticize shifting government health guidelines, especially the historical push for margarine over butter and processed cereal over traditional foods.

  "That whole margarine butter thing should be the end of any argument about the government telling us what to eat." (C, 40:45)

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8. Quick Hits

Virus Report: New mosquito-borne illness in New York; hosts pass this off as background noise more than a threat post-COVID. (35:53 – 36:32)

LA Metro Waste: Commentary on how the city's expensive mass transit is still barely used and often unsafe. (36:32 – 37:51)

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Notable Quotes

• On Embalming Dead Bodies:

  "You want to keep your job... you say, 'Yeah, okay, I'm on it.' Although the first time I did it was when I had the experience with the moving feet..."
  — Judge Larry Goodman (E), 07:33–08:12

• On The Changing Nature of Law Schools:

  "There's all these different classes that really don't have anything to do with practicing law or passing the bar..."
  — Judge Larry Goodman (E), 02:22

• On The Airport Hackings:

  "Why are our airports so vulnerable to amateur hackers?"
  — Jack Armstrong (C), 13:09

• On U.S. Foreign Policy Deterrence:

  "We’ve restored that level of deterrence that we haven’t seen since Ronald Reagan in the 80s."
  — Mike Lyons (A), 28:50

• On Dietary Guidance:

  "That whole margarine butter thing should be the end of any argument about the government telling us what to eat."
  — Jack Armstrong (C), 40:45

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Segment Timestamps Reference

| Topic | Start | End | |----------------------------------------|--------------|-------------| | Judge Larry: Law/Embalming | 00:46 | 09:43 | | Airport Hack | 12:50 | 13:49 | | NYC Politics/Mamdani Clip | 14:10 | 14:39 | | AI Bubble Concerns | 16:46 | 18:57 | | Britney Spears Tabloid Bit | 18:57 | 19:02 | | Military/Mike Lyons Segment | 20:42 | 32:16 | | New Virus News | 35:53 | 36:32 | | LA Metro Commentary | 36:32 | 37:51 | | Health Fad Satire | 37:51 | 41:01 |

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Tone & Style

True to Armstrong and Getty's brand, the conversation is conversational, candid, and peppered with dry humor, skepticism about authorities (especially in health and politics), and digressions into both serious military affairs and goofy personal stories. Notable moments are laced with irony and anecdotal color, making the show accessible even when tackling dense topics.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode offers a classic Armstrong & Getty blend: odd career stories (dressing corpses), critical takes on politics and media narratives, world affairs analysis from a well-informed military expert, and an irreverent send-up of faddish health advice—all delivered with signature wit and a healthy dose of skepticism.

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Transcript

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From the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at.

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The George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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And now here's Armstrong and Giddy.

[C]

So tomorrow is Bill and Hillary Clinton's 50th wedding anniversary. Oh, my God.

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Bill already made plans.

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Dinner, dancing, some passionate lovemaking, and then home to Hillary. There you go. How y' all doing? Joe is doing a skin cancer thing, which he may or may not talk about later because he'll be back in a little bit. But he had run off to the doctor. All of us of a certain age should have gotten less sun when we were younger. Back in the day, we used to lay out and get sun burned every day. And you'd put baby oil on yourself to accentuate the sun's rays to make them as awful as possible. As opposed to putting sunscreen on, you put on something to make them worse. Like my, my kids. I think one kid has had one sunburn, the other one has had zero. I got a sunburn every two days from the age of three until 35. And that's how you end up getting a lot of sunscreen or sun cancer treatments at the doctor. So. Judge LARRY We've had on the show many times Larry Goodman, who happens to be Katie, Katie, the news lady's dad. Larry was a judge for a long time. Retired judge for the Superior Court, Alameda county in California. That's where Oakland is. Retired in 2017. Judge Larry welcome back to the Armstrong and Getty Show.

[E]

Hey, Jack, how you doing?

[C]

Pretty good. So I don't know if you, I wanted to bring this up before we get to the other thing I was going to talk about. You're a judge. You went to law school, you went to University of San Francisco for law school. And we were just talking to Tim Sandifer about how left law schools are across the country. Do you have any thoughts on that?

[E]

Well, they've, they've changed a lot since I went there. I mean, I still get magazines and stuff from the law school I went to, and it doesn't look like the same law school I went to. There's all these different classes that really don't have anything to do with Practicing law or passing the bar, It's. It's a lot more left than it was when I went to. Went there back in the 70s.

[C]

You mean like social justice sort of classes?

[E]

Social justice, equality, wrongful convictions. There's a lot of. Lot of criminal classes where they spend a lot of time attacking convictions and criminal cases and stuff, and they write, you know, false confessions and all that kind of stuff.

[C]

So I'm trying to track your career path here before we get to the fact that you are an embalmer, which is new news to us. And I want to ask you about. So you got your bachelor's degree at Stanford, which is very impressive. What did you get your bachelor's degree in?

[E]

Well, I started out as pre med, but then there was a thing called the pre med math class, so I changed the political science. And so once you get a degree in political science, you either teach political science or you go to law school. So that was the next choice. So I went to law school. I was tired of being on the peninsula, so I applied to schools and cities like San Francisco and so forth and got into usf.

[C]

Okay, that. That's a very promising, fantastic life path. How did you end up dressing dead bodies then? Where did this occur in your arc?

[E]

Well, there was a company in our hometown called Chapel of Valley Valley ambulance. And back in those days, but in the rural areas, often funeral homes had ambulances. We had the low top Cadillac ambulances. And I actually started out as an ambulance attendant, then became an emt. But our boss was a licensed embalmer, but he was too cheap to hire a bunch of other licensed embalmers. And under California law back then, you could apprentice under a licensed embalmer. So I was an apprentice embalmer.

[C]

So we are finding out, Judge Larry, that you were an unlicensed embalmer.

[E]

I was apprentice, Yeah. I was an apprentice embalmer under his license, yeah. Oh, boy.

[C]

And so, so at what point did your boss tell you, hey, here's a new job duty for you. I need you to go drain the fluids out of that stiff?

[E]

Well, you just. It was. It was. Everybody just kind of was involved. There was only certain people that could go in what we call the prep room. And he one day he said, hey, you know, we don't have enough people to do all this. Would you be willing to be an apprentice under my license? And I had been in the prep room with other embalmers, helping them out. And I said, sure, why not? I can. I think I kind of understand it. And I Understand what we're doing. And we. At that point, we had a. It was during the Vietnam War, and we had the contract with Oak Knoll Naval Hospital, so we had a lot of work.

[C]

But still, you're a political. You're a political science guy. At some point, you were in a room the first time with a dead body, getting cut up. Wasn't that quite the experience?

[E]

It was when you're 18 years old, 19 years old. Yeah, it was.

[C]

Well, did every. Does everybody have the stomach for it, or did half the people quit or what? I mean, I just. I don't know if I could do that.

[E]

We had people that wouldn't go near the prep room. Well, I kind of came. My dad was a surgeon. My mom was a nurse.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

Which is why I. I was pre med before I flipped the math courses. And so I was not unfamiliar with hospitals and. And hearing stories about things we. And my dad would talk about taking people's gallbladders out at the dinner table.

[C]

Okay. Okay. So you're a little more prepared for it than I would have been.

[E]

I was prepared for that kind of thing, but, yeah, it's shocking. And sometimes, I mean, I had to actually prepare the body of a person that I went to high school with who was killed in Vietnam. So there are moments.

[C]

Yeah, I'll bet.

[E]

But you. The purpose of the procedures from embalming you can pick up pretty easily if you're working with somebody that knows what they're doing.

[C]

Okay. So after you get their fluids out and you fill them full of formaldehyde or whatever the heck you put in there to preserve them, then you got to dress them.

[E]

Yeah, there's depending on the status of the funeral and the shape of the body. But, yeah. My first job, before I was even apprentice was the low man on a totem pole. Has to go down and dress the body after it's embalmed. And there are techniques to that. Like the shirt. If you have a dress shirt, you have to cut the shirt up the back because right then you tuck looks more fitting. And you put socks on them and you put the pants on and all that. And it makes it difficult.

[C]

I just. I still don't understand the. The process of going from whatever you were doing before to, I needed to go downstairs and dress some dead bodies. Not. Not just everybody says, okay, well, if.

[E]

You want to keep your job at Chapel of Valley Valley Ambulance, you do. You say, yeah, okay, I'm on it. Although the first time I did it was when I had the experience with the Moving feet, which was kind of the person that had been embalmed with their legs crossed. And once they're embalmed, they kind of get rigid in that position. So I went down and put the socks. I sipped, uncrossed the feet, and put this socks on the feet. And I went up to put the shirt on, and I was starting to sew the collar behind, so my head's right down by the person's head sewing the collar together. And the guy's feet crossed again.

[C]

Oh, my God. And then you. And then you soiled your pants and screamed like a little girl. And then what happened?

[E]

I hadn't crossed them again. And went back, and then he crossed his leg feet again. And that's when I went, I'm out of here. And I went back upstairs, and I said, I'm not going back down there by myself. Somebody has to be down there with me because this is what's happening. And everybody else knew why it was happening. And everybody got a big laugh out of it. And that was the way I got indoctrinated.

[C]

The hilarious hey, the new guy just got scared because the dead bodies are moving around joke that. That happens. Okay, well, that explains the whole situation. It's just when Katie brought that up the other day that you used to do this, I thought, what, including the whole.

[E]

From 19. Let's see, 68 to 74.

[C]

There you go.

[E]

It was summer, my summer job. And then I'd come home on weekends. You know, when you're. Got a study sitting in room waiting for the ambulance calls to come, you can get a lot of studying done. So I take all my stuff and come over and earn some money driving a. Ride an ambulance and doing my studying for law school and stuff.

[C]

I didn't tell my kids about that. This is the sort of job you could be doing. Judge Larry, thanks for your time today. Appreciate it.

[E]

You're. No problem, Jack. Take care.

[C]

That's quite the family arc you got there, Katie. So your dad was a lawyer and went to Stanford. His dad was a doctor. You ended up on the Armstrong and Getty show.

[F]

I did.

[E]

I did.

[F]

Aim high. No. You know, and also, so my grandfather, being a surgeon, he was in World War II and was in the army, and he was captured by the Japanese and held as a prisoner of war for 42 months.

[C]

Wow.

[F]

And because he was a surgeon, they would have him perform all of the medical stuff on the Japanese soldiers. He wrote a whole book and everything about it. It's. It's. It's amazing. And then you know, dad went into. I'll never forget one time my dad was driving me home from piano lessons and there was a car accident on the road that we had to take to get home. And so, of course, what do you do when there's a car accident? You pull over and help. So my dad gets out and he comes back, he's just got blood all over the place. And he's like, all right, hey. Wipes it off. Paramedics are on the way. He's going to be all right. Gets in the car, we took off.

[C]

Oh, my God. Yeah, it's just, it's just a. Yeah, the hole. You turn around and they cross their legs thing. That would freak me out.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

And I don't believe in ghosts or.

[F]

Anything like that, but I've been around a dead.

[C]

This one isn't dead yet. Yeah, this is it.

[F]

This one's kicking his legs a little.

[C]

I think he's got a couple of good years left in him.

[F]

Oh, my God.

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What are we doing here? All right. Well, it was a good story. We are going to find out from Mike Lyons, our favorite military analyst. Tomahawk missiles, we're going to give them to Ukraine according to Trump. What are those do? What's that all about? We'll get to that later this hour. Among other things, stay here.

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Packed by a long live free house.

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By Miri Packed by cyber Netanyahu and Trump Turkish hacker Cyber respond was here Telegram Cyber.

[C]

Okay, so that is from a handful of airports yesterday or four airports across the country in which somebody hacked into them and made the announcement that, well, it said F. Benjamin Netanyahu and Donald Trump and Free free Palestine. Somebody was able to hack into airports spread across the United States and make those announcements and put up on the screen, on the televisions that same message. And to me, the big story is why are our airports so vulnerable to amateur hackers? I assume these were not. You know, it's not like is the Chinese government or something being able to pull this off.

[F]

So yeah, and I like the point you made earlier is like what if that announcement had said all flights were canceled or something? That would have created chaos.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. At the same time that cell phones get turned off. At the same time that a whole bunch of other things. This is getting back To Sunday night 60 Minutes story about China hacking into water treatment plants all across the country. Anyway, we got to get better at that. No doubt about it. Do we know which clip is Mamdani last? They did a little interview yesterday. Mamdani, he's the guy that's going to go end up mayor.

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That's 83, Michael.

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Okay. Do you believe that Hamas should lay.

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Down their weapons and leave the leadership in Gaza? I believe that any future here in.

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New York City is one that we.

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Have to make sure that's affordable for all.

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And as it pertains to Israel and Palestine, that we have to ensure that.

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There is peace and that is the.

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Future that we have to fight for.

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But you won't say that Hamas should.

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Lay down their arms and give up leadership in Gaza.

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I don't really have opinions about the.

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Future of Hamas and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety.

[C]

That is the guy that's going to be mayor of New York refusing to say that Hamas should lay down their arms even though that's the peace agreement that is being heralded as a triumph by everyone in the world, including Barack Obama and, and Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harrison, everybody saying it's a good idea. But the guy is running for mayor. New York is too far out there and too much of a Jew hater to even say that. One of the reasons I bring that up is they're having their debate tonight there in New York City. And he'll be on stage with the criminal ancient groper Andrew Cuomo and that dude who wears the beret all the time. We have to be kind of a New Yorker to be into his story. But so that debate almost guaranteed we'll have some highlights from it that will be playing tomorrow on the Armstrong and Getty show was another couple of things that I wanted to get to with headlines. We're going to talk to Mike Lyons at the bottom of the hour about Tomahawk missiles going to Ukraine. Perhaps the Wall Street Journal editorial board has got a piece today that says Trump's Gaza lessons for Ukraine. Putin won't negotiate until he pays a higher price for waging war. Their point being that the reason both sides came to the table in Israel with Hamas is the amount of pressure that was put on both sides and the kinetic action. That's the fancy words they use for shooting people and blowing things up. Like Israel going after Hamas leadership there in Qatar and Trump saying strong things against Benjamin Netanyahu. And the Wall Street Journal says that Joe Biden or Joe Biden, good Lord, that Donald Trump needs to do the same thing with the Ukraine, Russia conflict that he did with the Middle East. And they're a little confused there at the editorial board at the Wall Street Journal as to why he has not applied that sort of pressure to Putin that he did to Benjamin Netanyahu. For instance, to that point. He mentioned the other day Tomahawk missiles going to Ukraine, which would be able to, I think they can reach like 1200, 1500 miles into Russia, would be a whole new level of weaponry that we give Ukraine. And President Zelensky is going to be in the Oval Office talking to Donald Trump tomorrow. So we're going to talk to Mike Lyons coming up about the reality on the ground, military wise, of what that would mean. So look forward to having that conversation and that that could end up being the focus, kind of like Middle east was for the last however many weeks. Ukraine, Russia could end up being the focus here pretty soon. A couple other things that I wanted to hit. Where is this so many different disturbing news stories out there? Oh, we were talking the other day about the AI bubble and went through it last week. It's pretty obvious if somebody points it out to you the way that, for instance, Sam Altman's chat GPT is buying billions of dollars worth of high speed computer chips from one company that then is investing billions of dollars in ChatGPT or the same is happening with Grok and Apple, Nvidia and all these different companies. And there is some belief that it's just kind of a circle thing. I won't use a awful term, but kind of a circular investment thing that's going on. And then it's an AI bubble. While the Financial Times has an article out today, the AI bubble is a bigger global economic threat than US Tariffs. They're saying, yeah, the whole China, United States trade war thing is scary, but not as scary as this AI bubble that's going to burst at some point. So that's two articles in two major publications by smart people in one week that I've seen calling the AI thing and the stock market rise a bubble. So keep your eye on that and invest accordingly. People can and do lose money. I will remind you of that. And then a dumb story. Britney Britney Spears is upset that she has not seen her sons. She has seen her son, one of her sons, a total of 45 minutes in five years. Why do you suppose that is? Crazy Mom? You think maybe your kid doesn't want to go visit mom when she's standing in the kitchen juggling knives to a disco song with no shirt on?

[F]

Well, apparently dad said she did coke while she was pregnant too, so that might be part of it.

[C]

I didn't know that that's part of his new book. Mm, we'll have to talk about that later. We've got Mike Lyons coming up next. Stay tuned.

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No reason for the US military to get involved in Gaza. No, I don't see that.

[C]

No, I think we're going to handle it very well. We'll be helping Israel, but we have other countries that are now, you know, we signed, many, many countries signed and many of those countries relatively are very strong military powers. And Hamas has no support. See, Hamas had the support of Iran and now Iran says don't get us involved. The last time they got them involved didn't work out too well. So they used to have the support of Iran. Okay, so we got a couple of different conflicts to talk about with Mike Lyons, who I generally, if something's going on militarily, I go to his Twitter feed to see what Mike Lyons is saying. It's AJ as in Major Mike Lyons. Mike, welcome back to the Armstrong and Getty Show.

[A]

Hey, Jack, thanks for having me back.

[C]

Yeah. So first of all, we were asking the question when Trump said the other day, Hamas needs to disarm or we will disarm him. Who is we?

[A]

Yeah, I think he means Israel, number one. And then also these Arab nations. I think Trump has implied that this security group that would be part of any important cease fire operation there. And this is a coerced cease fire. This is not anything, you know, any kind of peace plan just yet. Because Hamas has not given up the ministries have not given up their weapons. But he's envisioning a combined Arab and Israeli, let's say military that takes care of things like this. Not blue helmets, not United nations, not countries. People coming from different countries all over the world. So I think that's what he means by we. The United States provides intelligence and that support, but that's about it.

[C]

Well, since you've had experience in the Middle east, some of the dead enders, you know, that were like with Al Qaeda or ISIS or whatever, and Hamas is the same sort of people, they don't easily give up, do they?

[A]

No. And it's, you know, they're not necessarily exhausted just yet, I don't think. I'm not quite sure all the tunnel systems have been destroyed yet either. Inside Gaza and the like, they still have another generation to go. This is a 20 year problem. Set that once we begin the process of this, of peace, let's say it's still not going to be solved at least for another 20 years because of this generation, this uprising of youth that comes behind it. Usually they fight to the death. They fight to. They consider this as part of their culture. So we're at the very beginning of the very beginning of what is still a tenuous process of whether this is going to work or not.

[C]

So you mentioned this was a coerced deal. It wasn't like both sides came together and said, let's lay down our arms. Hamas was forced into this. And that's why the Wall Street Journal today, their editorial page is saying Trump needs to do the same thing with Russia that he did between Netanyahu and Hamas. And some of the talk has been about giving Ukraine Tomahawk missiles. I know Zelensky is going to be in D.C. tomorrow to meet with Trump. What are. And that keeps getting thrown around Tomahawk missiles as if we're all military experts and know what that means. What are Tomahawk missiles and what sort of capability would that be?

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Great, great question, great discussion point. The Tomahawk cruise missile is the go to weapon now that we see launched from destroyers and submarines. It's been perfected, started back from the Gulf War one when it was first used. And it's really the go to weapon system right now for Navy and really only Navy platforms. And it's not an easy task to all of a sudden give Tomahawk cruise missiles to the Ukrainians because there's no land based firing system at Bonga. If you notice, they're called vertical launchers, V launchers, they have to launch as a rocket. They go up straight in the air and then they get proposed and they get to go into their target from there. So it's not an easy solution. Now, however, they would provide deep strike capability for Ukraine. Should there be this land based solution to that? Raytheon says that they haven't. We haven't seen that. But it would provide much deeper strikes into Russia that they would have to defend against and it would allow Ukraine this increased capability. Is it a silver bullet? No, I don't think so. Nothing, nothing is. I think the only real silver bullet to get Russia to stop militarily is if we poured 300 tanks and 600 Bradley fighting vehicles and Tomahawk cruise missiles and seven Patriot batteries. I mean, if they, if we just poured this conventional weapon, because that's really only a thing that Russia can not defend against right now into Ukraine, that might be the leverage that gets them to stop.

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Interesting. Well, the Tomahawk missiles alone, will that be enough to get Putin's attention at all?

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No, but they're saying. I don't think it is, but they are saying that it's a red line for them and it would be somewhat politically, let's say consequential, because it would signal this increased capability. But again, there's constraints as to whether or not a handful of anything is really what it comes down to would work. And again, you would still have to combine it with intelligence on the battlefield and you have battle damage assessment, all the other things. It's just not that simple of saying we're just going to throw Tomahawk cruise missiles at this problem set. I think Russia is saying that would be, from their perspective, a red line. Now. That's their leverage back. Whether or not we do it or not remains to be seen.

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So the drone strikes and rocket strikes continue from Russia into Ukraine. What is the theory on that? We've talked about this some. So I just assume that you keep sending these hundreds and hundreds of drones every other night and at some point you hope you exhaust Ukraine's defenses, Is that it?

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Right. Yeah, that's kind of it. And you know, the difference between this and Gaza is that let's say Hamas is exhausted on their side, Israel's not, but Hamas is. So in order to get any kind of deal in Ukraine that would be more effective, let's say that wouldn't be. This coerce ceasefire is if both sides were exhausted. So we looked at right now and don't see that happening on the Russian side. We can say that they're losing. They're losing because they're not winning, because they should have won this in some ways by now. But Ukraine keeps staying in the fight because of their drone technology. It gets better every month. They add more capability. They are increasing their amount of drones that they're bringing to the battlefield. They're making them smarter all the time. They're giving them down to squad unit level. So they've got much more intelligence that they're gathering. You combine that with the United States intelligence collection capability, they are at least holding their own right now. But until both sides become exhausted, that's when you can successfully say, we'll have a ceasefire here and we can move forward with some kind of negotiation. But we're still not there yet.

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Well, Russia had their biggest call up in three years the other day, so they must be running out of guys.

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Well, no, this is more mobilization and they're continuing to call up. They still have four times the population. They can still withdraw from that pool, which is again, historically, countries that outman the other country from a historical perspective usually win these wars of attrition, because that's where this completely is. I mean, it's inch by inch still down on the ground. And World War I type technology, that's what we've talked about, World War I type tactics that are taking place in trenches. The land has been completely destroyed in that part of Ukraine, in that southern and eastern portion in the Donbass region. So the spoils of war have made that almost uninhabitable at this point. But Russia can still throw more people at this.

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That's interesting stuff. One other topic I wanted to hit you with before we let you go. So you have said many things over the years that have stuck in my mind. And one of them is, I don't know how long ago it was that you thought us in China would be swapping ordinance at some point in the next few years. Do you still believe that that's the case?

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Well, now that this president has shown the kind of leverage in negotiating this peace settlement and he's become Teddy Roosevelt, Speak softly, A big stick. And I think that the way this has gone down, I think China is much more in a box. I think China now is much more constrained. I think had we used previous foreign policy negotiation tactics with Hamas right now or that Trump wasn't involved. Look, a couple of, you know, New York City real estate developers, you know, make this deal, 20 point deal, which, you know, still has a lot to go. But the bottom line is I think China is now more deterred than ever. And I'm not sure that that's the case. So at least in the short term, I don't see anything with anything happening because of the way this situation has evolved. Israel takes out the proxy forces, the United States takes care of the big player in the Iran situation, and now Hamas is forced again coerced into making a ceasefire. I think China now looks at the United States and says we cannot. They're not predictable. If we decide to go after something, we can't tell what specifically were going to happen. So we've restored that level of deterrence that we haven't seen since Ronald Reagan in the 80s. And so I think that's a good thing from a security perspective for the United States.

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Well, that's really interesting and you know, I don't want to drag you into politics, but I would have to assume that they would not have felt that way, if Kamala Harris had been president. Yeah. But wow, isn't it something to be alive at this point in history, the way things are unfolding so quickly on so many different spots?

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Yeah, no, for sure. Thinking about where I was 30, 40 years ago, I never thought the Berlin Wall would fall. I never thought we would have Gulf War One. Whoever thought any of those things would happen? Here we are now. I never thought Russia, they'd lose their empire as well. And now there's no question for the second half of the 20th, you know, 21st century, it's just going to be this fight for, you know, global dominance. And the United States is still a player. I mean, we're, you know, we're two and oh, in world wars. And I'd like to think we're going to keep that up should something happen in the future.

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What'd you think of Hegseth's speech to the generals the other day?

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I'm of the ilk that it was a good thing that they had in person. You know, people are losing their minds for all different reasons because they don't like Pete Hegseth. But I mean, I think that, you know, no general officer got out of their desk, got on a plane, went to that meeting and got back, you know, went back home.

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Right.

[A]

They did other things. They saw their family, they networked. So I just think meeting in person is always good. I thought his message was sound. I think it's too bad that the military has gotten to the point where the standards have been lowered. And a lot of it just had to do with the politics of, frankly, starting with Obama and then Biden, you know, not really enforcing anything. And I'm not saying that's Republicans are not necessarily standard bearers for the military either, but there's been. There was people that left the military because of what was going on in the military into those Democratic administrations. And I think it's always good to reset. The pendulum swings and the pendulum swung. Right now, everybody's clear what the intent is. They're clear at the military academy. They're clear in the active duty units. Pete Hegseth like him, love him, hate him. He's crystal clear about what he wants the military to look like at this point.

[C]

Well, good, you know, good conversation today, Mike. Really appreciate your time. Mike Lyons, you can follow him. A G M A J Mike Lyons on Twitter. Thanks, Mike.

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Thanks, Jack.

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Thanks for having me.

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All those topics are interesting to me. We'll talk more about that later. And Joe is returning for hour four. Maybe I'LL bring that up then. So he thinks China is deterred now by Trump and the, you know, the, whatever they call it, the crazy man theory that you don't know what he's going to do. Huh. Trump's only president for three more years though. Anyway, that's interesting stuff. Got a lot of sports going on right now. Major League Baseball. Is it going to be Dodgers, Mariners for a World Series? We will see. Got a few games left before that happens or you're into the basketball action and obviously all the football. You got football games tonight. Hard footing, hard hitting. Football action even better with prize picks. So you take a look at the game tonight and you could, you know, you want to go more or less on whatever. Keep the season rolling on price picks by getting $50 instantly in lineups when you play your first $5. The app is so simple to use. You just pick two or more players across any sport. Pick more or less on the projections and if you're right, you could win big. Prize Picks is also available in 40 plus states including California, Texas, Florida and Georgia. Most importantly, they don't play about your money. All transactions on the app are fast, safe and secure. You don't miss any of the action this season with price picks where it is good to be right. So download the app today, use the code Armstrong, get $50 instantly in lineups when you play $5. That's the code ARMSTRONG on prize picks to get $50 instantly prize picks. It's good to be right. We've got more stuff on the way that I want to get to, which was the topics that I wanted to make sure I jammed in this hour. Oh, we got this funny thing about a dietitian from the future Talking to an 80s family about their breakfast and I think this will resonate in a serious way about guidance the government gives us on what to eat and what not to eat, among other things. Coming up. Stay here.

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Transmission of this type in six years. Here, the patient from Nassau County, Long island, the Chikungunya virus is most common in the tropics. Symptoms include joint pain and fever.

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Most patients do recover within a week. Officials still say the risk to the public is low.

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That's just what we needed was another new virus thingy being spread around by mosquitoes to think about. Thank you very much, David Muir. I don't, I'm not worried about that, but I only play that because, you know, five years ago, whenever it was, the first case of this new virus hit and it changed all our lives forever. God, I don't want another one of those in my lifetime. Wanted to mention this while we're still on the mighty KABC in Los Angeles today. The way I phrase that, it sounded like we're not going to be on there anymore. We are going to be on there. It's just that the show's almost over for the day is what I meant. Anyway, it's a great article I was reading in the I don't know where it was, but does the LA metro system have to be a waste of time and money? They're doing a new study, or this one group is doing a new study trying to figure out about the billions and billions of dollars that taxpayers have spent on the Los Angeles Metro, one of the greatest cities in the world and this system that almost nobody rides because it's dirty and unsafe like a lot of mass transit all across America. It's amazing that we put up with that. Whatever city you're in, I'd be shocked if your experience is not different than the cities I've been in, visiting or lived in where your. Your. Your bus is almost always empty. The. The. The metro train is almost always empty. Whatever. Whatever you ride, it's almost always empty. And you spend all this money and people don't use them. Why do we put up with this anyway? I want to get bogged down on that because I want to get to this funny thing. Does it matter where it came from? It came from funny or die. Why don't you set it up, Katie? Because I don't want to ruin the joke.

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Okay, so it's a family that's. It's from, like, the 80s or the 70s, and they're sitting around and they're about to enjoy a breakfast of eggs, steak and toast.

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There you go.

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Who are you?

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What are you doing in our house? I'm from the future.

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I'm here to warn you. Don't eat that food.

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Why not? The eggs. They're full of cholesterol.

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What?

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Eating even just one egg can dramatically increase your chance of heart attack. Don't eat eggs.

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Oh, my God. Thank you.

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You're welcome. Godspeed.

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Well, I guess I better take those eggs.

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Wait, stop. You're back. Yeah. We were wrong about the eggs. How? Well, it turns out there's two types of cholesterol. There's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol, and eggs actually have both. But just don't eat the egg yolks. So stick with the egg whites.

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Yes.

[C]

Thank you. Godspeed. I see where this is going. Wait, wait. We were wrong about the eggs again. Yeah. Okay, so it turns out that the amount of cholesterol in a food doesn't actually affect how much cholesterol ends up in your blood. The eggs are probably fine. In fact, we sort of don't even know what cholesterol is. But the steak. You can't eat the steak. Wait, we were wrong about the steak. It was the toast. Man was not meant to eat bread.

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What do you mean, man was not.

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Meant to eat bread?

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Wait. Turns out it's genetic. Doesn't matter whether you exercise or what you eat. I'm sorry I ruined your meal. That is pretty good. Oh, that is pretty good. I got into that conversation with somebody just the other day who's roughly my age. You're too young for this, Katie. But, like, when we were kids, and this is crazy, where I grew up, I grew up in rural Wisconsin, the dairy state, where people had been eating bacon, eggs, and, you know, cheese and butter for their entire lives. Then all of a sudden, came a study from the government. That said, eggs have cholesterol and bacon is bad for. And all these different things. And the thing to eat is these cereals that are coming. A plastic sack. Ah, yes. And that's in the dairy state where everything was made right there we were eating cereal out of a sack because my. And having margarine instead of butter. Everybody, that should be brought up on a daily basis anytime the government ever tells you to do anything with your health. Aren't you the same people that told me to never eat butter and only eat margarine? Then a couple of decades later, you declared trans fat, which is what margarine is. It's a tub of trans fat is literally the worst thing you can possibly put in your body. Right.

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And eat this cereal that's got 23 grams of sugar per bite.

[C]

Right. Which we now know that study was paid for by Kellogg's, I think.

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Or.

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Or I think you're right. The other company, one of the big cereal companies paid. But man, that whole margarine butter thing should be the. It should be the end of any argument about the government telling us what to eat. Yeah, that's absolutely amazing. Wait, I'm back.

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What?

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We were wrong. We were wrong.

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Turns out you don't know what cholesterol is.

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