I Rolled A 6. Do I Go After The Pope Or Those Damn Immigrants?

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: I Rolled A 6. Do I Go After The Pope Or Those Damn Immigrants?
Date: February 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this sharply satirical and wide-ranging episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty dissect current events with their trademark irreverence, focusing heavily on the relevance (or lack thereof) of the State of the Union address, the ongoing war in Ukraine, the politics of guest selection for political theater, America's fixation on board games, and the latest in political gaffes. Along the way, their banter highlights the absurdities of both history and present-day politics, skewering self-importance, hypocrisy, and the decline of meaningful civic engagement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Ukraine War: Four Years On

[02:59–06:36]

• The episode opens with somber reflections on the ongoing war in Ukraine, marking its four-year anniversary. Armstrong and Getty discuss President Zelensky’s unexpected survival and determination.
• Jack Armstrong highlights Russia’s massive casualties ("currently losing 35,000 men a month" [04:20]) and questions the sustainability of Putin’s ambitions.
• Joe Getty points out how Russia has "gutted their economy and remade it as an arms plant" [04:35], stating, "Putin has murdered the future...they're poisoned for foreign investment."
• Both express frustration at Europe’s inaction, with Jack noting, "Europe allowed a psychopath with the biggest nuclear arsenal on earth to invade a country...I don't understand why there's not more pressure on Europe to do something" [05:33, 06:36].

Notable Quotes

• Joe Getty [04:35]: "Putin has murdered the future...economically, how do you make the transition?"
• Jack Armstrong [05:33]: "Europe allowed a psychopath with the biggest nuclear arsenal on earth to invade a country. And they're like, sure hope the United States does something about this."

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2. The State of the Union Preview & Political Guests

[06:36–14:56]

• With the State of the Union imminent, the hosts mock the event as a useless, performative tradition (a "pseudo event" [06:36]).
• Sharp criticism targets both parties for using special guests as political props: Democrats inviting Jeffrey Epstein accusers and Hong Kong dissidents; Trump expected to feature victims of crime by immigrants and the Afghanistan withdrawal.
• They predict "planned walkouts" from Democrats and speculate about various performative protests, mocking past stunts (like colored dresses and Nancy Pelosi tearing up Trump’s speech).

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Jack Armstrong [06:36]: "It's just a political. It's a pseudo event now. It's created for the media and then the media reports on it like it needs to happen."
• Joe Getty [13:10]: "They're really pissed off now, Jack."
• Jack Armstrong [15:01]: (Satirically) "She’s going to rip off her shirt and it’s going to say on one boob, EAT THE, and the other boob, RICH."

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3. The Spectacle and Misconceptions of Presidential Power

[18:18–22:01]
(With clips and commentary from Bill Maher)

• The show lampoons the hero-worship and unrealistic expectations placed on the presidency during the State of the Union:
  • Bill Maher: "Then he proceeds to tell Congress what he wants them to do, making it look like the President is in charge of everything..." [19:59]
  • Joe and Jack agree the event has veered from its constitutional intent.
• Discussion of how many Americans mistakenly believe the president has total control over prices and economic levers.
• The absurdity of the modern spectacle is compared with the original, far briefer reports delivered by early presidents.

Notable Quotes

• Bill Maher [19:59]: "That's not what it says in the operating manual. You know, the Constitution...Congress creates the laws. The President is just supposed to execute them."
• Joe Getty [21:47]: (Quoting Maher) "What do you expect when we have this big ballyhooed annual event that looks like the President's royal wedding to himself?"

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4. U.S. History Through Board Games

[25:43–37:15]

• Armstrong and Getty dive into a Wall Street Journal piece on the evolution of American board games, satirically tracing themes of manifest destiny, capitalism, and societal morals.
• Early American games included "The Game of Pope and Pagan or Siege of the Stronghold of Satan by the Christian Army," which involved attacking Lucifer, the Pope, and immigrants (reflecting 19th-century bigotry) [27:15].
• Discussion of "The Checkered Game of Life" (which included paths like suicide, disgrace, and ruin—even for children).
• The evolution from games promoting moral uplift to those glorifying capitalism ("From Log Cabin to the White House," Monopoly's origins as a critique of concentrated wealth).
• 20th-century gender roles reflected in games like "Marriage Auction" and "Mystery Date."
• Comments on postwar games reinforcing Cold War anxieties, sexual norms (Twister), and family togetherness.
• The resurgence of board games in the digital age, driven by social aspects more than gameplay itself.

Notable Quotes

• Jack Armstrong [28:31]: "Do I go after the Pope or those damn immigrants?"
• Joe Getty [29:07]: "Players navigated a board with spaces identifying the highs of life, like college, success, happy old age, among others, and several frightening lows, including ruin, disgrace, and suicide. This is a game for children, remember?"
• Joe Getty [33:19]: "Wish my wife would play this game" (after describing a thriftiness competition in a 1937 board game).
• Jack Armstrong [34:05]: "I've never had the slightest bit enjoyment playing Monopoly and never finished a game once in my life. But I've played it a lot of times."

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5. Eileen Gu Critique & Olympic Guests

[24:59–25:38]

• Briefly discuss Eileen Gu, U.S.-born Olympic skier competing for China, bemoaning her "insufferable" post-event interviews and strategic neutrality on Chinese human rights issues.
• Commentary transitions into who’s being invited to the State of the Union, sometimes for overtly political signaling.

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6. Gavin Newsom’s SAT Gaffe & Race

[40:35–42:25]

• The hosts scrutinize Gavin Newsom’s attempt to connect with black voters by referencing his own poor SAT scores.
• Citation of Cornel West’s reaction: "That mindset sits at the core of white supremacy...don't play with us like that" [41:34].
• They critique Newsom as ill-prepared for the "adversarial political run" outside of California's one-party system.

Notable Quotes

• Jack Armstrong [40:44]: "I'm just like you. I got a terrible grade on my SATs. So, I mean, you know, I'm as dumb as black people. Is that what the message was?"
• Joe Getty [41:57]: "When you get a guy who's been anointed and lifted up in a one party system out on the actual field of play...He doesn't have the chops."

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Memorable Moments & Humor

• Imaginary State of the Union protests: jokes about AOC’s anticipated antics [14:56], TikTok stunts, and "crazy old man shouting at clouds."
• Running gags about the over-the-top length and tedium of Trump and Castro speeches.
• Skewering board games for their dark child themes (e.g., “suicide” as a possible consequence in The Game of Life) [29:07].
• Repeated lampooning of the disconnect between politicians’ presentations and the constitutional realities of power.
• Ending banter: discussion of the futility and chaos of playing Monopoly ("Monopoly money everywhere" [44:10]), and final thoughts on the current state of U.S. governance.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:59–06:36] – Ukraine war, European inaction, Putin's war aims
• [06:36–14:56] – State of the Union spectacle, protest predictions, political guests
• [18:18–22:01] – Bill Maher on the unconstitutional hero-worship of the president, State of the Union history
• [25:43–37:15] – History of American board games, moral messages, Monopoly origins, cultural evolution
• [24:59–25:38] – Eileen Gu and Olympic guests, virtue-signaling at the State of the Union
• [40:35–42:25] – Gavin Newsom’s SAT comments, Cornel West’s reaction, critique of political missteps

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Notable Quotes (With Attribution & Timestamps)

• "Putin has murdered the future...economically, how do you make the transition?" — Joe Getty [04:35]
• "Europe allowed a psychopath...to invade a country. And they're like, sure hope the United States does something about this." — Jack Armstrong [05:33]
• "It's just a political...pseudo event now." — Jack Armstrong [06:36]
• "That's not what it says in the operating manual. You know, the Constitution..." — Bill Maher [19:59]
• "Do I go after the Pope or those damn immigrants?" — Jack Armstrong [28:31]
• "Players...navigated a board with highs of life...and several frightening lows, including ruin, disgrace, and suicide. This is a game for children, remember?" — Joe Getty [29:07]
• "I'm just like you. I got a terrible grade on my SATs..." — Jack Armstrong, paraphrasing Gavin Newsom [40:44]
• "That mindset sits at the core of white supremacy...don't play with us like that." — Cornel West (quoted) [41:34]

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Episode Tone & Style

The episode maintains Armstrong & Getty’s hallmark irreverence, sarcasm, and sharp wit, balancing pointed critique of political spectacle with playful asides about American culture—especially as reflected in something as seemingly innocuous as board games. Listeners come away with deep skepticism about political theater, a sense of history’s darkly comedic quirks, and the enduring tendency for both the media and politics to prioritize spectacle over substance.

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[Ukrainian Official or Analyst]

We didn't lose our country, our independence and freedom. We have it now. We speak in the capital. Russia is not winning. This is very important. And everybody's asking how long we can hold the line and how long we can stay and how long can you, you know, it's not about it. We wanted Putin to stop this war yesterday. And when we speak about how to stop him, first of all, to give

[Joe Getty]

Ukraine security guarantees, obviously the voice of

[Jack Armstrong]

President Zelensky of Ukraine, still alive four years later, as four years ago today, the war started and there was a decent chance and a fair belief that he would not live through the opening couple of days. Since he decided to stay, he went on to say this.

[Ukrainian Official or Analyst]

And really, we. Each day we do all we can. I speak with all the partners. I try to negotiate. I'm asking different parts in different continents help me to stop Putin. But if we will give him all he wants, we will lose everything. Our houses, our lives, our families, everything. Because all of us, people will have to run away from the country or be Russians.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we've talked a lot about the war over the last four years. Russia is currently losing 35,000 men a month, which is just a stunning number historically, throughout the history of war. It's a stunning number.

[Joe Getty]

And they've also gutted their economy and remade it as an arms plant in a way that is. I was thinking about this. If I was part of the Voice of America or the CIA or something, I would be blanketing Russia and Russians with the message that Putin has murdered the future. Because economically, how do you make the transition? They're poisoned for foreign investment at this point. Putin is, I would say, betting everything on this war, but betting everything. What, what next? What. What happens after you win it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's the whole thing. It's just your birth rates are tragically low, too. It's a weird vanity thing where it's important to him that Ukraine's part of Russia, but it doesn't do the Russian people any good to take. Take half of Ukraine. They're not going to get anything out of it.

[Joe Getty]

No, it's. It's really setting fire to yourself to make a point. Or something. Or he's become a megalomaniac. It's, it is a strange chapter in world history and bloody obviously too.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well on the other end of the strange chapter is that Europe allowed a psychopath with the biggest nuclear arsenal on earth to invade a country. And they're like, sure hope the United States does something about this.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. What Screeching about how important it is that the United States do something about this. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then endless. And I, this is one thing I just do not understand. Ian Bremer on who we have on the show a lot. The whole we've damaged relations with Europe and our allies and they don't seem to give a crap about their own damn backyard. I just don't get it. Whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Bojo took it boot to the Europeans. Boris Johnson wrote a great editorial saying all this big talk, what the hell are you doing? Well, how about some boots on the ground? How about some long range missiles? Why are, why are you the only ones afraid of escalation? Putin ought to be afraid of escalation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, in the end, let's talk about us not being a reliable partner anymore. As opposed to who? The reliable French or the reliable Brits or the reliable Germans? Who are the reliable partners out there that were. I don't, I just don't understand why there's not more pressure on Europe to do something. Anywho, the State of the Union address is tonight. You know, it'll be interesting is if Trump brings up that war at all. It certainly got mentioned quite a bit. The first several State of the Union addresses after the war started with Biden shouting constantly, we're with you to the end, while doing practically nothing to help them. Anyway, State of the Union address tonight. It's, it's, I hate it. I think it's dumb it out. It outlived its usefulness a long, long time ago. It's just a political. It's a pseudo event now it's created for the media and then the media reports on it like it needs to happen because then they have something to talk about. That's what a pseudo event is. And so both sides try to get their maximum out of it. Democrats, for instance, are inviting accusers of Jeffrey Epstein. Several of them will be in the crowd, a couple of names that maybe you know, if you're following the story,

[Joe Getty]

oh my God, they didn't care about Jeffrey Epstein till it became a club to hit Trump with.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, the Jeffrey Epstein story has been around for a long time. The files have been around for a long Time you didn't have any of these people in the crowd two years ago.

[Joe Getty]

Close friend to New York Democrats in particular, Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, just ridiculous.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, several of the accusers of Jeffrey Epstein will be there to spotlight accountability and Victor's victims rights. One of the things though is when the out of power party brings their guests in, the president doesn't point them out. The president has, you know, it's the President's speech so he gets to bring his own guests and say standing right up there is and I'll get to that list in a second and really draw attention to it. The Democrats have on their side though that the mainstream media will do it for you. And there you see in the crowd victims of Jeffrey Epstein invited by the Democrats to make the point that so they don't, you know, they got a mouthpiece the mainstream media. I do like this one. Claire Li, daughter of imprisoned Hong Kong publisher Jimmy Lie is going to be on the guest list.

[Joe Getty]

He, he wrote an open letter to Eileen Goo, by the way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh really?

[Joe Getty]

I didn't hear about that saying hey maybe you could bring this up to your Chinese overlords.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got some astronauts that are going to be there.

[Joe Getty]

Eileen Gu, by the way, the American who skis for the Chinese who when asked about the enslavement and genocide of the Uyghurs said that's not really my business.

[Jack Armstrong]

Astronauts from NASA's upcoming lunar mission which we're going to go back to the moon for the first time in 50

[Joe Getty]

years or fly around going back to our moon.

[Jack Armstrong]

Our moon reclaiming our moon. They're the guest of House Speaker Mike Johnson. Sports figures the U.S. men's Olympic Hockey Team will be there. The U.S. women's Hockey Team was invited but they declined to show up for whatever reason. Got some farmer that's going to be there. First lady is invited. A couple of people see if any of these are interesting before I get to the ones that I know are interesting. So here's.

[Joe Getty]

Well even if they're not interesting, they're interesting to me it shows you know, directionally or what gestures are being made.

[Jack Armstrong]

The ones that Trump's invited that's going to be get a lot of attention. The parents of Sarah Beckstrom, a 20 year old National Guard soldier killed in D.C. by an Afghan man led into the country during Biden's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

So he's got that. And then seven year old Ms. Coleman who was left with life altering injuries after she was caught caught in a multi car collision caused by an illegal Immigrant here in California who had a commercial driver's license given by the state of California while Gavin Newsom was governor, was behind the wheel of a semi truck. Is Trump going to, like, is that just a guess that will be there, or is Trump going to point that out and, like, really drive home the point of the open borders?

[Joe Getty]

The second one.

[Jack Armstrong]

The second one, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Angel, moms, etc. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that could be a. That could be a big one. And, you know, he's going to be playing the greatest hits for his own crowd. I just saw up there, 66% of Republicans want him to talk primarily about the economy. He's going to hit on how good the economy is and try to convince people it's good, even though most people feel like it's not. That's a tough one. And he's going to do immigration because that, you know, what got him elected? The economy and immigration. So he's going to hammer that over and over, and I'm sure he'll tout the amazing numbers at the border. He did say yesterday it's going to be a very long speech. What's very long in Trump world? Because he's given some long speeches.

[Joe Getty]

Fidel Castro length. Yeah. Castro, the dictator famously would jabber on for six hours or so, and you had to sit there listening, probably peeing quietly down your leg thinking, when's he stopping?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why does Trump, who understands entertainment, you know, he's got such a sense of entertainment, but when it comes to the speeches, he talks way past the point that people want to hear anymore. Why do you think that is?

[Joe Getty]

Undisciplined, self indulgent?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the negative take on it. I was trying to come up with some positive take. Maybe he understands that it's going to be sound bited anyway, so it doesn't really matter at the moment. I don't know. I think you're right.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, like, we were at the Incredibly undisciplined.

[Jack Armstrong]

We were at the convention when he. His nomination speech and what was it, 90 minutes long?

[Joe Getty]

It was crazy long. I stood there. I stood there for hours because I had to. I had no seat and listened to him for a while and was exhausted. I thought, all right, screw it, I'm going back to the hotel. Took the Uber back to the hotel. I got to the hotel, laid down on my bed and listened to another 40 minutes. Yeah, it was insanely long. He lost everybody.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. But it's going to be again tonight, probably with those guests in the crowd. The big question mark is how many Democrats show up? A lot of them aren't going to. They've got a planned walkout at some point. For the ones that do show up,

[Joe Getty]

they're a very dramatic, very moving. They're really pissed off now, Jack.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some of them will stand up and walk out. They probably know at what point in the speech you're going to do that. Senator.

[Joe Getty]

All the gals wearing dresses of the same color to illustrate some s. Or

[Jack Armstrong]

was it last year that they brought the ping pong paddles with some sort of verbiage on them that they kept holding up.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Shut up.

[Joe Getty]

And crazy old man shouting at clouds. Al Green shook his cane and got dragged out. Oh, Lord, can it. The, the odds would suggest. Or the trend line suggests it's going to be even more absurd this year.

[Jack Armstrong]

It started with you when Barack was president lying. Yes. But nobody had ever yelled at the president while they were given the State of the Union before. And it started there and the breaking down of norms or whatever. And it's just kept going from there. Nancy tearing up the speech behind Trump when it was over. Oh, boy. Showing her. Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Michael, I'm almost afraid to suggest this, but because of social media and TikTok. Do you think the. No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right in front of him, right in front of the podium. JD Vance has to tackle the streaker.

[Joe Getty]

Do you think they'll do some sort of tick tock stunt, you know, to get attention, to get the younger crowd, so to speak? I start a chant or something, I expect.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I would have expected something, but Hakeem Jeffries has said keep your mouth shut. Did us more harm than good last year. Senator Fetterman saying, have respect for the office. Don't be nuts. So some of the leadership, the popular people in the, in the, in the high school that is Washington, D.C. are saying don't, don't. It doesn't do us any favors. But you can't control an AOC or whoever she might be trying to.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe that's.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's my, that's my dark horse on this one.

[Joe Getty]

After her own brand, right? Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

After her bad week and getting beat up even by the New York Times, everything like that. She needs to get back on top and she's going to make some sort of giant display. She's going to rip off her shirt and it's going to say on one boob, eat the and another boob rich.

[Joe Getty]

Then she's going to turn around and face the camera or just ice out. That would be a powerful and sexy protest.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God. Okay, coming up.

[Joe Getty]

You're going to love this. What Two centuries worth of American board games. Tell us about our history.

[Jack Armstrong]

B O R E D. Well, both.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

That and other stuff on the way. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

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Union was 833 words. It was hardly worth throwing his wig on for. It lasted all of 10 minutes. Our third president, Thomas Jefferson doing it in person altogether, as did all the presidents for the next 112 years. They just wrote a brief report because even they understood nobody likes a meeting that could have been done by email.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hate to be one of those people that are constantly talking about things are falling apart or worse than they've ever been, but things are falling apart and they're worse than they've ever been.

[Joe Getty]

It's a good point.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's just nothing good about the change in like for instance, the State of the Union address, which just used to be a report as required by the Constitution, just become a political show like everything else. And it's partisan.

[Joe Getty]

It's just full of ugliness and stupidity.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it was the premier branch of government demanding one of the lesser branches give it a report so it could make decisions going forward on legislation. That's not the way we treat it now. We treat the President like ladies and gentlemen, the king of the world. And then whoever is current president who is treated like the king of the world's garment.

[Joe Getty]

Let me touch it right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And they all climb over each other to try to shake hands and have a picture for their newspaper of them shaking hands with the king of the world. And then the King of the world introduces the Queen of the world. And everybody stands and cheers. It's sickening. I find it sickening. Sickening. Here's more. Bill Maher talking about the State of the Union address.

[Bill Maher]

Then he proceeds to tell Congress what he wants them to do, making it look like the President is in charge of everything and it's he who sets the agenda. But that's not what it says in the operating manual. You know the Constitution. Article 1, Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States. Not mostly. Not unless the President has a really bitchin idea. Nearly half the words in our Constitution are in Article 1. That's the one about Congress and all the stuff they're supposed to be in charge of. The exclusive power to make laws, declare war, tax, tariff, Even organize the other branches. Congress creates the laws. The President is just supposed to execute them. Execute like the executor of a will. He doesn't decide the deceit's wishes, he just makes sure they're carried out. But you'd never know that from the State of the Union speech, which has become the President's big Etsy wish list for America.

[Jack Armstrong]

We were talking about that way back when Clinton was President. That's how long we've been doing this show, ladies and gentlemen.

[Joe Getty]

Oh good lord. Dead end job. Hey, Inks short. Michael, play us clip number eight.

[Bill Maher]

It's no wonder that Americans think the President controls the price of eggs. Nearly a third think he controls gas prices and the unemployment rate. One in four thinks he has control over interest rates and consumer prices. What do you expect when we have this big ballyhooed annual event that looks like the President's royal wedding to himself?

[Joe Getty]

That's great. That's good writing Bill. Well done.

[Jack Armstrong]

We used to mock the and this was when they were better. Is every President at the end would list off all these things that people would cheer that were never going to happen? No.

[Joe Getty]

It's just ridiculous. So coming up, America's history is told through board games. Way more interesting than the games themselves, including stuff in kids board games that would be considered way too heavy for adults now. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, now you've got my attention. That's on the way. If you miss it, get the Podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand

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[Jack Armstrong]

Eileen Goo She's a very attractive woman and she's extremely bright. She went to Stanford, but if you listen to her post participation interviews, she's insufferable. I've heard that from several quarters. I haven't heard any of her interviews

[Joe Getty]

really, but oh, they are insufferable. Yeah?

[Jack Armstrong]

In what way?

[Joe Getty]

She is extremely pleased with herself.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh boy. Don't be hot and smart and rich and come off as pleased as yourself.

[Joe Getty]

People don't like that and speaks in platitudes. It's just, it's tough to take.

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So I was really trying to lean into daring to love myself, daring to trust myself, daring to believe that I

[Joe Getty]

could do something wonderful tonight.

[Jack Armstrong]

I forgot about that.

[Joe Getty]

Please stop that before I commit a murder. Michael. Hey kids, you want to play Inflation?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah dad, let's play.

[Joe Getty]

It's a history of the United States as seen through board games. I actually found this deep, deep within the Wall Street Journal website. They're running a series called USA250 the Story of the World's greatest economy. And they look into various aspects of it and I found this one charming. Board games were popular in the United States from the beginning, but they were generally brought from the old world, you know, chess, checkers, various card games, et cetera that had been around for ages and ages. The very first American made board game in 1822 was made by a small map company in New York. It was called Travelers Tour through the United States. A novelty that featured a hand colored map of the then 24 states peppered with towns and landmarks. You make your way across the map by naming geographical facts with the winner being the first person to reach New Orleans, which I don't know. Sounds reasonable, you know, sure, nothing wrong with memorizing some geographical facts.

[Jack Armstrong]

And there weren't nothing else to do in 1822, but that gave birth to

[Joe Getty]

an enormous industry which has made billions and billions uncountable billions of dollars through the years. So board games, let's skip ahead. We already mentioned that several games, including that one had the whole manifest destiny, we're expanding, we're going to go coast to coast thing at their heart. And people were super positive about that sort of thing and loved the idea. Let's see. Indeed, a moral. Oh, I almost skipped this one. I should have highlighted this. By the mid-1800s, Salem, Massachusetts became a hub of early game development. For some reason aided by European printing technology that had made its way across the Atlantic in 1844. Picture playing this with your kids or your little cousins or whatever. Brothers William and Stephen B. Ives released the Game of Popes. The Game of Pope and Pagan or Siege of the Stronghold of Satan by the Christian Army. That was the rather long title. In the game, players act as missionaries attacking Lucifer, the Pope and pagans, reflecting both the tight laced culture of the day and antipathy toward Catholicism and immigrants. Oh my God. So you'd have your kids attacking Lucifer, the Pope and a God forsaken immigrants with their foreign beliefs.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a fun board game.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Now you roll a six.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do I go after the Pope or those damn immigrants?

[Joe Getty]

They're both within reach. I don't know. God dang it. So a moral message was central to many board games of the year. Among the most popular, the Checkered Game of Life, which got a shorter name after a while.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Created by none other than game pioneer Milton Bradley in the year 1860. Profoundly religious and an early advocate of the kindergarten movement in America, Bradley developed his game for children as much as their parents.

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[Joe Getty]

This is the Game of Life. Players navigated aboard with spaces identifying the highs of life, like college, success, happy old age, among others, and several frightening lows, including ruin, disgrace and suicide. This is a game for children, remember?

[Jack Armstrong]

You roll a six side for you. I was just disgraced. Darn it.

[Joe Getty]

Watch the language, son. Sorry, Paul. Ruined, disgrace and suicide.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

How soft are our children compared to that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Chutes and ladders. You go down the chute, you'll end in suicide.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy. Sorry, son. Suicide. Jesus Christ. Now, as the 19th century was growing to go druing drum.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can I have a second take?

[Joe Getty]

Do we have enough tape, Michael? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. As the 19th century drew to a close, a growing middle class found itself with disposable income, shorter work weeks, mail order to catalogs, department stores, which really helped the board game industry. The railroad boom then helped the game industry, which increasingly focused on capitalism in addition to moral uplift. Starting in the 1880s, a series of games derived from the Horatio Alger books with titles like From Log Cabin to the White House caught the public's fancy. A boy, always a boy, popularized the rags to riches fantasy, pulling himself up by his bootstraps toward wealth and respectability.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Is this the beginning of what we were talking about earlier, where every presidential candidate has to have that origin story like Gavin Newsom's trying to create? Just. It became part of our. The way we look at this. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

It's unquestionably part of our culture. Yeah. Now, the gals had different messages in their games. One called Marriage Auction, which was popular from the early 1900s. The card values laid out a bride's worth noting that, quote, the bridesmaids have no value however they rank. Unless you're a drunk groomsman and you

[Jack Armstrong]

know exactly, you're both out of town.

[Joe Getty]

All right, come on. The rules note, marriage, they say, is a gamble. One thing very certain is that money plays an important part. Let's see. As the Gilded Age rolled on, one female game designer subverted the script. Lizzie. Maggie. Maggie. Maybe Makey was an impassioned follower of Henry George. A proposal a popular political economist and author of the best selling book Progress and Poverty. George the economist believed that taxing land, and only land, the single tax, was a path to a more just world. If you think these people would invent a really boring game, you'd be right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's funny you bring this up and I won't get off on this, but I just became aware of Henry George a couple of weeks ago in a podcast. His book was number two selling book only to the Bible For a very long time, his economic theory, he was like the biggest thing in the world, not just in America with economics. And everybody quoted him all the time and then it just went away.

[Joe Getty]

Well, this big adherent of his, Lizzie Maggie, received a patent in 1904 for her landlord's game, which millions know today is Monopoly. Yeah, that's what most people don't understand is their game was created to teach about the ills of concentrated wealth. It wasn't until economists. No, that's not terribly interesting. From the 1900s through 1930s, financial games gained favor. The games finance inflation and others thrived during the Great Depression as a fantasy of the American dream, far out of reach for most homes. Back to Ms. Maggie. She published Bargain Day in 1937, a game in which players move through a store making purchases by trying to save the most. The player who shops most thriftily wins.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Wish my wife would play this game. Well, hey, maybe see if you can find an old Copy, Mike.

[Jack Armstrong]

Great 1960s old man. Stored a joke there, Michael.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, honey, here's an old timey game.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's play it.

[Joe Getty]

I'll bet it'll be fun.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wish my wife would play that game, huh?

[Joe Getty]

Tell the other women you can't die. Then you got. After World War II, Cold War anxiety gave birth to strategy games like Risk as you'd capture the territories across the world.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's stunning that Monopoly ever caught on and became as why is popular lack of alternatives. I mean, I never had the slightest bit enjoyment playing Monopoly and never finished a game once in my life. But I've played it a lot of times.

[Joe Getty]

Other than talking to the friends you're playing with and then the rivalry of it. No, the game itself brought no joy. Interestingly, Candyland, perhaps the simplest game ever invented by any human being, was designed in 1948 to brighten the spirits of children in hospital wards. Oh, wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

I played a lot of Candy Land. I played Candy Land in the hospital as a kid.

[Joe Getty]

You know, frankly, that was about up to my intellectual level. Candyland. I enjoyed playing that with the kids. Very relaxing. And then the act of playing games reinforced wholesome suburban family values. Consider the 1965 game Mystery Date, in which girls try to land a dreamy date and avoid the sloppily dressed dud.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, you don't want to end up with the dud.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. And let's see. The game was developed by Marvin Glass and Associates, the Chicago toy design firm whose other hits included Simon Rock Em Sock Em Robots, which I wanted at age 5, more than I wanted my next breath. They also invented Operation and Mousetrap.

[Jack Armstrong]

Rock Em Sock em Robots. I knew people that had it, but I never owned it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. And then in 1966, Twister became a phenomenon and challenged sexual norms. Tell you what, as a teenager playing Twister with the other fellas and girls. Yeah, I enjoyed that a great deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

You get somebody the opposite sex play and there's a good chance your groins are going to end up against each other.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow. That was really delicate and artful. Well said. It's like I'm working with Shakespeare. Holy crap. That, that. I wish we had a penalty box misconduct. Two minutes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can't help it. I got to put my left foot on a yellow dot. So how's your father?

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow. Today, even with Rise video games, board games in the US are more than holding their own. Thanks to Kickstarter. Interestingly enough, the crowdfunding platform, lower cost of production and online communities, players can enjoy hits like Settlers of Catan, Wingspan, Exploding Kittens, Ticket to Ride, which is a railroad game, interestingly, and all sorts of other different ones. My kids in their generation are crazy into the game. The card games and the board games and the character playing games.

[Jack Armstrong]

Board games are really all about the hanging around with your friends or family. That's what it is. I mean, we always do lots of Uno at our biggest big cousin Christmas family get together. And it's not about the freaking game, obviously.

[Joe Getty]

Right, Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you hope to avoid ruin, humiliation, suicide and puncture wounds or whatever else was on that list.

[Jack Armstrong]

That one is pretty funny.

[Joe Getty]

Severe burns.

[Jack Armstrong]

You lost an eye. You'll have to go back three spaces. Oh, dang it. I only had one eye left.

[Joe Getty]

This is fun, kids, but prior to,

[Jack Armstrong]

you know, pick the date, there literally was nothing else to do. Cold winter night. It's dark now and it's five o'. Clock. What are you going to do for the rest of the evening with no radio, no tv, no maybe no books, Right?

[Joe Getty]

Right. Play a little Landlord's game to warn your kids about the dangers of concentrated wealth. Have you learned your lesson, children? Now go to bed.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was fun. We'll finish strong.

[Joe Getty]

Next, Armstrong and Getty.

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[Joe Getty]

I'm like you. I'm no better than you. I'm a 960sat guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we've been talking about that for a couple days and trying to figure out, like, did that actually do any damage? Gavin Newsom, sitting in front of a black audience with a black interviewer and saying, hey, I'm just like you. I got a terrible grade on my SATs. So, I mean, you know, I'm as dumb as black people. Is that what the message was? And Joe was saying, no, I'm. I'm stretching it. Maybe. Cornell West, I don't know if you know who he is, but he has got a million followers on Twitter. He's a big deal in Democratic woke politics. Charlie Rose used to have him on all the time as like the voice of reason for black America and that sort of stuff. He's a Harvard PhD. He's one of those people. Cornel west, in an interview yesterday, said this. Brother Newsom could have taken a humanist approach. He could have said, I'm just like you. I was born of a woman. I'll face loss, pain and death just like everyone else. But instead, when he thinks of black people, he brings up low SAT scores. That mindset sits at the core of white supremacy. The belief that black people are less beautiful, less moral, less intelligent. Don't play with us like that. So at least for one of your leaders of that sort of woke view of the world, prominent black thinker. They took it the way I said it, like sitting there in front of a ham, just as dumb as black people.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. What I was saying is I don't think that's what he meant. But this is a great sign, as I think I said, of what happens when you get a guy who's been anointed and lifted up in a one party system out on the actual field of play in an advert. He doesn't have the chops for an adversarial political run. He says stuff is dumb as what he just said and came off the way you and Cornel west said he came off. I agree. That's what it sounded like.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm like you, me and Cornel west as a phrase I never thought I'd be part of.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. What next? Mika Brzezinski seen on Jack Armstrong's arm. I mean, that was a heck of

[Jack Armstrong]

a thing to say. I imagine he'd like to have it Back just slightly differently worded. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And then the absolutely priceless exchange with Dana Bash that we played last hour, which I can't wait to do. You want to hear that again or do we have time?

[Jack Armstrong]

Do we have time, Michael? I don't know if we have time. Do we? How much time we got? We got to start right now. Final thoughts.

[Joe Getty]

We'll play it for you tomorrow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And also State the Union is tonight and there's almost certainly going to be some hijinks along with 90 minutes of I'm not going to listen to its speech. Final thoughts with Armstrong and G. You'll get the facts. They're sharp and steady. Tune it tomorrow. Don't you. You forget it. For more from Armstrong and get. I really like that.

[Joe Getty]

That's really good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Is that autotuned or is your pitch that good? Because I think that's a real human being, right? Not AI.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it is.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Mailbag@armstrong yeti.com Seriously.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, let's get a final thought from

[Joe Getty]

everybody on the crew to wrap up the day.

[Jack Armstrong]

There he is.

[Joe Getty]

Michelangelo in the control room. Michael, what's your final thoughts? You know, I've been thinking about it. Jack might be right from earlier. Somebody may streak. Somebody like the oldest Democratic lawmaker may streak the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nancy. Nancy Pelosi final term.

[Joe Getty]

Somebody challenged Trump to a fight. Nancy Pelosi. What? Katie Greener, esteemed news woman. As a final thought, Katie, that board game segment reminded me of the meme, the only acceptable game way for a

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game of Monopoly to end.

[Joe Getty]

And it's just a table that's overturned.

[Jack Armstrong]

Monopoly money everywhere. I agree.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's the dangers of concentrated wealth right there. That's what I enjoy. Jack, a final thought for us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thank you to FedEx for finding my bag and returning it. I did send like 8 million emails and call 6,000 times. So I don't know if that played any role on working harder to find my bag, but it can be done, apparently.

[Joe Getty]

I think my final thought is I'll watch the first chunk of the SO too. If anything happens, we'll let you know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, we'll have the highlights. Doesn't mean I need to watch it to have the highlights.

[Joe Getty]

I remember when we had a Congress. Those were good times. Bill Maher pointing out that almost half the words in the Constitution are about Congress. There's a reason for that. Yeah, we don't have an effing king. We have a Congress.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another great grueling four hour workday.

[Joe Getty]

So many people. Thanks a little time. Go to armstronggetty.com we got all sorts of hot links there for you. We've got the [e-mail] drop us an email links to get the podcast. Podcasts are easy. You ought to subscribe Katie's Corner. All sorts of good stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Does he lecture the Supreme Court on their bad decision?

[Joe Getty]

Yes, and it will be horrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'll see you tomorrow with all of that God Bless America as we walk out the door.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Who wanted to hear that? Nobody. What the hell are you doing?

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[Jack Armstrong]

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