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Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty. In crisis situations like this, people tend to show you who they really are. And who the elite of Washington D.C. are is. These hard nosed Washington insiders who made sure in a life or death situation to grab the things most dear to them. The bottle service. What? If only. If only I had more time, I, I could have saved the. That's Jon Stewart from last night on the Daily Show. We got another bit of his comedy styling. Of course there was this guy, check this video out the left side of your screen. This man, creative artist agent, super agent Michael Glantz, has gone viral for eating food casually as people are crouched down. After this shooting at the White House Correspondent's Dinner. Excuse me, Excuse me, waiter, when you're done incapacitating the assassin, I would love some more ranch dressing. I'd be a doll. If you could. A refill. Some lady took my wine. If you could. Did we mention that yesterday the guy's explanation was he has a bad back and if he'd have gotten down on the floor, he wouldn't have been able to get back up. So we thought, oh, since I have to sit up here, I might as well eat my food.

Joe Getty (5:23)

Oh, that's funny. I hadn't heard that. I heard him say, look, I'm a New Yorker. I hear like crap and sirens and gunshots all the time.

Jack Armstrong (5:29)

Yeah, I, I don't react to noise as much just because there's so many noises that go on all the time with construction and all that sort of stuff. So I, I was, I would have been closer to where Trump was than Melania with the wide eyed. Oh my God. What was that? Just, there's always crashes and crap going on when you're in a crowd.

Joe Getty (5:48)

To that point, Susie Weiss, who also Works at the Free Press, co founded it with her sister. Barry was there at the dinner, and she wrote an absolutely great piece. Here's always the preamble. And the fact that I have to issue this preamble or disclaimer just shows how idiotic our conversations in America have become. The conversations that believe, for instance, to be proud woman, you must be anti man. Or to be pro little girls, you must be anti little boys in their behavior. It is so evil and stupid. I can hardly talk about it without getting pissed off. But Susie Weiss, who was there in the midst of the chaos and the gunshots and the rest of it, her. The title of her article is My Takeaway from the White House Correspondent's Dinner. Dudes Rock. And she describes how she was sitting with Elliot Ackerman, the author and former Special Forces guy.

Jack Armstrong (6:44)

That'd be a good guy to be sitting next to if shooting starts.

Joe Getty (6:47)

Yeah, but there's a lot more to it. And they were talking about the. How grand the event was and. And they're having the conversation about when you became a dad, did you go with Roman Empire or World War II? And he said, oh, both. And then he told her a story about Roman heroes coming back from. From war, how they were celebrated. And there would be chariots and parades and stuff, but always a slave whispering in his ear over and over again, sick transit Gloria. Sick transit Gloria, which means roughly, glory is fl. And then, not one minute later, after loud bangs sounded right outside the doors where we were seated in the back of the room, Elliot was behind me and his wife. We were huddled under the table, clutching hands, whispering to each other about their friends and where were they and do you have her? Elliot calmly and quietly narrated what was going on. Okay, now they're taking the administration officials out of the room. Scott Besant is going to come around us right now, he said steadily. It's okay. It's okay. And one of the other husbands kept standing up, and his wife kept saying, get your head down. And then Susie writes, when I got up soon, I was shuffled to the front of the room to get my sister by a security guard, blah, blah, blah. Everyone was reeling. But the men were also another thing. They were activated. And I'm not talking here about the obvious heroes of the evening. Law enforcement, Secret Service, others with guns at the ready, blah, blah, blah. They acted nobly, but they weren't the only ones. The lobbyist, David Urban, was nearly glowing, telling us how he went to West Point, served in the 101st, and that he simply wasn't about to let anything bad happen to us. I believed him, as did the other women there. Aaron McLean, who was caught on camera during the pandemonium, looking about as shaken as a person who really couldn't decide if they wanted chicken or fish, was talking protocols, perimeters and numbers with ease. How many seconds did it take for security to get Trump out of the building into the beast? How many yards away from was the shooter from the doors? How long will it take to figure out exactly what happened? Many of the men had hands on hips, surveying the room and counting tables, doors and exits, nodding along to a distinctly male tune. Behind their ey, you could glimpse the multiplication of tables per people by table, division by minutes, then seconds, accounting for escalator bottlenecks. McClain was a Marine, and among many veterans in the room for whom it seemed a primal stopwatch had been started, the second they saw, literally, that the big guns had come out, immediately they became situationally aware. And she goes on describing many men's reactions, some veterans, some not, and how very, very different it was than most of the women's. As it should be, because men and women are very, very different the way we're made. And the two in combination is what makes the world wonderful and go around makes sex better. Gender is a construct, in my opinion. It does. Yeah. That's stupid. And what's more, utterly incorrect. Utterly incorrect.

Jack Armstrong (9:42)

Incorrect and provably so.

Joe Getty (9:46)

Yeah. Yeah. Many actual veterans, not to mention veteran journalists who'd covered wars, sprung into action, whether pushing tushes under seats, recording what was happening, or simply creating a sense with their mean that things were totally under control. I lost count of the number of times I heard about vehicles coming and going, the security minded man's term of endearment for cars, et cetera, et cetera.

Jack Armstrong (10:10)

That's pretty interesting. Not surprising.

Joe Getty (10:13)

Yeah. Yeah.

Jack Armstrong (10:18)

By the way, that Elliot Ackerman, the book, the Fifth act, one of my favorite nonfiction books I've ever read about war, maybe my favorite one I've ever read about war and couldn't recommend it more highly. Yeah, I'd never thought about the people in the crowd. You would have, you know, whether it's Pete Hegseth or Elliot Ackerman or who knows all bunch of names that I probably don't know. If it had turned into a real, like, battle of some sort, you had a lot of guys there who've had a lot of experience with that sort of thing, and then obviously all the Secret Service dudes, Right?

Joe Getty (10:50)

Yeah. But her greater point, I think, is a good One, sure. I've probably made it, but. And, Jack, I know you can relate to this, having had threats to your family, like direct, violent threats. And it's been a long time since anything ugly like this happened to me. But again, and most of the women listening this show would never denigrate masculinity. They don't use the term toxic masculinity. They understand that some men are abusive and terrible, but masculinity is not the issue.

Jack Armstrong (11:15)

All the women I know say, where did it go? If they say anything about it at all.

Joe Getty (11:20)

Yeah. But I think any of us who have ever had somebody we love to protect when things get ugly and it's not a choice. I don't even know that you'd call it courage, per se.

Jack Armstrong (11:32)

It's as insane, right?

Joe Getty (11:35)

Exactly. It's as instinctual as exhaling after inhaling. You react with not hiding, but with what's happening and what needs to do be done.

Jack Armstrong (11:44)

Yeah, it is. Yeah. It is not a choice. It's a. Humans that reacted that way survive and get to have offspring, and humans that don't react that way don't survive and get to have offspring. And so it's just a genetic thing.

Joe Getty (12:00)

Yeah. Well said. So, anyway, good for you, Susie Weiss, writing that piece. It takes men and women to make the ideal world. And to denigrate one sex, to elevate the other is the height of ugliness and stupidity. And if you do that, I hate you. That's hate speech.

Jack Armstrong (12:20)

So I try. I'm trying to. I'm trying to decide whether I'm. My goal is to not get arrested at a hospital when I refused to leave the room.

Joe Getty (12:31)

That's a low bar, but a good goal. Yep.

Jack Armstrong (12:35)

Given the circumstance since the. And it's fairly new thing in California, and I don't know how much of the rest of the country, where a lot of y' all live, where this is true, where if you take your kid to the doctor and your kid's over the age of 12, it's the kid and the doctor that are in charge. You. You wait outside. Uh, no. Now, do I get arrested if I push that, or what happens there? Or do I want to be the Rosa Parks of this? I actually said that to a lawyer friend yesterday. Maybe I want to be the Rosa Parks of this, have you as my lawyer, and turn this into an issue. Although I'm worried about how many people would agree with me in the state of California, since it is part of laws we have passed in this state. I'll explain this all to you coming up. I, I, I gotta believe that in some parts of the country you're gonna think this is crazy, but it's the way we do it here.

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Yeah. And it's not an accident.

Jack Armstrong (13:27)

No, it's not. Anyway, I'll explain all that. Coming up. I find it highly troubling. Stay tuned.

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gonna try to keep myself out of trouble here. It ain't gonna be easy though because I could get fired up about this really fast. So a a mom I know I'll say was at the waiting room to see the doctor with their 16 year old sick kid who's been having a choking regularly. I won't get into the details of that because it's a distraction, but it's a fairly serious medical problem that we're worried about. It's been going on for a couple of weeks. They're worried about not me, this is not me and this mom in question. So when they called the patient's name, Bill Johnson, that's the sick kid mom and kids stood up to go in the room like you would expect to do. And I have done my whole life and my parents did with me when I was kids and all that sort

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of stuff with a minor child, according to every bit of the law, yes, right.

Jack Armstrong (17:33)

The person that you're fully 100% legally responsible for, you both get up and you're headed toward the room to talk to the doctor. The nurse lady puts up her hand and says whoa, stop. Patient only. And the mom was like I'm gonna fight you right now. She thought to herself, but didn't know what to do and then sat down and then eventually got called in. I think this is effing insane that they are separating parents from children and talking to them alone about serious medical problems. So I did a deep dive on this with a lawyer cause I'M I'm actually worried about getting arrested. I really, I seriously am. Where I'm saying I'm going in there now, having read through the law, what is most likely to happen is they're gonna just say, well, you can't get medical service here because that's the way we do it. Let me read a little bit of this from you. This is explained by people who have been having troubles with this California law that got passed. The contrast between medical interviews and police interrogations. When parents express vehement frustration like I have over being separated from their children, they frequently use terminology associated with, with the criminal justice system describing the medical interview as an interrogation. That's because it is. Do you have any guns at home? This or that, or any of the questions about your medical situation that you as a child may or may not know since you're a child? This underscores a critical legal and psychological distinction between medical settings and law enforcement settings in California. It goes through the law there where how cops can't talk to a kid without their parents there. Only extreme situations can cops start interrogating a child without the parent there. And we have that assumption kind of with when we go to the doctor. Turns out that's not the case. There are, there have been laws that have been passed in California. Now it all. The original reason for it, and I don't even agree with it in the original reason for it is that stuff like, you know, sex stuff or drug stuff or like that that you might not be comfortable talking about in front of your parents. Whatever. I'm still a thousand percent responsible for everything that my child does. And let's not, you know, throw out the baby with the bathwater as they say. So because of those certain circumstances, you, the patient is talked to by a doctor on their own. A child all the time seems nuts to me. Ah, but then I got further down in reading about this. There are financial incentives now, and this is recent, this is. Seems like things have changed. They get paid per kid that they talk to alone. And then there are other bigger financial incentives that come to the entire hospital if they meet certain goals of the number of kids that they talk to alone. They get to write down on their chart. We, we, we question the child without the parent there. And that fulfills some goal by the freaking Marxists, in my opinion, who want to talk to the children alone without the parents. So when you walk in the door of the hospital, the relationship at that point is between the child and a corporation, which is what a hospital is. And the parent is a, is a sideline. They'll let you in. They'll let you in if they want to let you in. It's up to the corporation and the child. That's the relationship no longer the child and the parent. I think that's freaking insane. I think it's part of Marxism. I couldn't hate it more. The only reason I'll ever put up with it is because I'm there and my kid is sick and I need help. You're all a bunch of Marxists. If you're going along with this, whether you realize it or not.

Joe Getty (21:18)

Yeah, they don't know. They are. It's the classic, you know, the, the ABC of you make a moral sounding argument for a practice which happens to insert the state between the parent and the child. Well, it's about abuse and neglect or sexual abuse or whatever.

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Right.

Joe Getty (21:37)

We're, we're not doing it because you know, Marx and Engels advocated for public state run education to free children from parental influence. It's right there in the commun manifesto. They were proud of it. So the, the well meaning people, the useful idiots, they think they're doing the right thing. But. So you've got the school saying hey, let's not tell your mom and dad about this.

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Exactly.

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You've got the university saying let's not tell your family about this. You've got the medical institutions now saying you don't have to tell your mom and dad about this or your mommy and daddy about this because they'll do it with really young kids. Do you think I'm being paranoid thinking that's misplaced when Marxist theory calls for it?

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Specifically, I couldn't be more angry about this. I may be more angry about this than practically anything that's ever happened in my life. And I'm not exactly sure how I'm going to handle it. So my son is going to see his sixth different doctor today. Now my primary doctor that's known I really like and trust and all that sort of stuff. I still don't agree that he talks to him without me there. But all these other doctors, I don't know them, I don't know what they're going to talk about or ask. Would it be crazy in the town I live in in the state of California for a doctor to do you ever feel like a girl or how many guns do you have in your house or does your dad recycle or any other bull ass?

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Did he vote for Trump?

Jack Armstrong (22:58)

Yeah, exactly. I don't know. And then you've just got the medical part of it. They're a kid. They don't know how the system works. It took me a long time to figure out what you should say and shouldn't say to a doctor to try to get the kind of care you want and be able to advocate for yourself. Your kid can't do that.

Joe Getty (23:16)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack Armstrong (23:17)

It's insane that you're putting your hand up and saying no child only parent. You stay out there. We'll tell you when you can talk. That is effing crazy.

Joe Getty (23:28)

Let's not tell your mommy and daddy. This will be our secret.

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I I couldn't hate this more. I guess the other hospital is worse than the one I currently go to, so I don't have a lot of choices.

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If what they mean by opening the straits is yes, the straits are opened as long as you coordinate with Iran. Get our permission or we'll blow you up and you pay us. That's not opening the straits. Those are international waterways. They cannot normalize. Nor can we tolerate them trying to normalize a system in which the Iranians decide who gets to use an international waterway and how much you have to pay them to use it.

Joe Getty (27:19)

I'm a big Marco Rubio fan.

Jack Armstrong (27:21)

Full disclosure, there's talk Halperin talks a lot that his stock is really high right now compared to J.D. vance's.

Joe Getty (27:27)

It should be.

Jack Armstrong (27:28)

We'll see where that goes. But Marco Rubio would be an easy vote for president.

Joe Getty (27:34)

Yeah. Yeah. And I also think he ought to be the point person on the Iran conflict. Honestly, with all due respect to Donald J. I just think his explanations and his knowledge of the whole thing and, well, his ability to communicate it is better. It's just better. You know, he had a great conversation with Trey Yings if you're a news junkie, you know Trey, he's usually wearing a flak jacket on a rooftop reporting from the Middle east with a helmet. With a helmet for Fox News and he's very, very good at that. But I think he was in town for the White House Correspondents Dinner or something like that. And he's spending a little time in Washington D.C. he's got a coat and tie on and did a bang up interview with Marco on Special Report with Brett Baer last night in which Trey was a serious damn smart journalist and Rubio was a serious damn smart politician answering his questions. Let's start. He asks if the Supreme Leader's alive and Marco says, yeah, maybe, but we don't think he has decision making power. Then in 42, he goes on with the Q and A.

Michael Halperin (28:36)

Reports do indicate Iran has offered to open the Straits, but they want to delay conversations about their nuclear program. Would this be acceptable to the Trump administration? Well, again, I'm not going to speculate about the President's decision making on this matter. Suffice it to say that the nuclear question is the reason why we're in this in the first place. If Iran was just a radical country run by radical people, but you know, it'd still be problem. But they are revolutionary in essence. That they seek to expand and export their revolution, not just what they do in Iran. That's why they're with Hezbollah in Lebanon. That's why they've supported Hamas, that's why they've supported the militias in Iraq. They don't just seek to dominate Iran, they seek to dominate the region. And imagine that with a nuclear weapon. Look what they've done with the straits. Great example. The straits is basically the equivalent of an economic nuclear weapon that they're trying to use against the world. And they're bragging about it. They're putting up billboards in Tehran bragging about how they can hold 25% or 20% of the world's energy hostage. Imagine if those same people had access to to a nuclear weapon. They would hold the whole region hostage.

Joe Getty (29:37)

We need so much more, Marco.

Jack Armstrong (29:40)

100%. They would, if not just immediately wipe Tel Aviv off the planet.

Joe Getty (29:47)

Right. In service of their religion. Yeah. Which they actually believe.

Jack Armstrong (29:52)

Next clip.

Michael Halperin (29:53)

Do you believe the Iranians are serious about making a deal? I think the Iranians are serious about getting themselves out of the mess that they're in. All the problems Iran had, they had rights a few months ago. And these were economic riots. All the problems that Iran had before the start of this conflict are still in place and most of them are worse. And now they have half the missiles, none of the factories, and no navy.

Joe Getty (30:14)

And then the final clip, the next one.

Michael Halperin (30:15)

Michael, if there is no deal, what comes next? Well, again, that's the President's decision to make. I would start out by reminding everybody that the level of sanctions on Iran are extraordinary. The pressure on Iran is extraordinary, and I think more can be brought to bear. But I hope, hope that in the aftermath of this conflict, the whole world's eyes have been open to the threat Iran poses.

Jack Armstrong (30:34)

The AP had a great article today about the damage that has been done to Iran's economy. And, you know, getting to the. How long can they survive before they collapse? Iran has lost outright a million jobs. 10 to 12 million jobs are at high risk. That's half of Iran's labor force that is at high risk of going away. Like now. For days now, news reports and government officials have given radically different estimates of how long they can keep their oil wells pumping. Nobody's exactly sure on that. It's somewhere between two days and two months. Even if it's two months, though, there will be an end time for how long you can keep your oil wells pumping before you got to shut them down. And that's a really, really big deal. Would cost many billions of dollars to ever get up and running again. And they can't risk that. I don't think.

Joe Getty (31:28)

Surprisingly, neither Jack nor I have ever run a giant oil field. And it turns out, yeah, if you shut it down, it takes zillions of dollars and, and months and months and months and months to start it up again. For reasons that I barely comprehend.

Jack Armstrong (31:44)

Well, when you shut down production across an entire oil field, you'll get water intrusion, chemical instability, which causes things like clay swelling to regenerate production.

Joe Getty (31:53)

Myself, the chemical instability.

Jack Armstrong (31:57)

And to regenerate production, you'd have to spend a lot of money to get those. I didn't know that at all. And I come from a part of the world where there's lots and lots of oil fields and oil. Oil pumps going especially. We're in the 80s. But. So when you shut that down, the, the whole oil field can collapse upon itself and water starts to leak in and stuff like that. I didn't know that.

Joe Getty (32:19)

So, like, not running your weed whacker for a year with California gas in it.

Jack Armstrong (32:23)

Yeah, probably.

Joe Getty (32:24)

It's probably similar, honestly. But yeah. So anyway, if they run out of places to put the oil, they're gonna have to shut everything down. And that would Be that would be really, really bad from the IRGC's perspective. So when do they give, when do they cry uncle? Is it a couple of days, a couple of months? Or do they just to pray for the apocalypse according to their extremist religious beliefs? Nobody's really sure.

Jack Armstrong (32:51)

Halperin's reporting today based on his sources in the White House say that there is very, very little appetite for restarting. Like the kinetic war, the hundreds of strikes per day with planes and bombs. Nobody's really into that, including Trump, according to his reporting. So the likelihood of that restoring, restarting anytime soon is very low. I don't think this is a bad. You know, it's easy for the, our short attention span and the media that hates Trump so much to every day talk about it as an obvious loss and like Trump's back is up against the wall. I agree with Trump on this. Unless I'm missing something, why is his back against the wall as opposed to the Iranian leadership's back is against the wall?

Joe Getty (33:37)

And at risk of overusing this metaphor, I was so annoyed when the Wall Street Journal just called it a standoff. When their resources are dwindling fast and their capacity to endure the standoff is going away very, very quickly and ours is like, I mean, the gas is up a little bit and people are annoyed. But you got two parties trying to starve each other out. One lives in a grocery store, the other, it's down to that last ham sandwich. That's not a standoff.

Jack Armstrong (34:09)

So if the leadership in Iran collapses, you could still end up with a civil war and all kind cut, all kinds of hellacious outcomes.

Joe Getty (34:19)

Oh, for 20 years. Yeah, it's possible.

Jack Armstrong (34:23)

Still, it remains interesting to see where this is going.

Joe Getty (34:26)

And they couldn't get a bomb, period. There is no, well, what if then that could possibly pass muster, which the media conveniently ignores. But they suck at their jobs.

Jack Armstrong (34:40)

As I've said many times before, I hate the gas prices angle of it. I wish there'd be a better response. When a response is allowed to. Look, you either think the war is worth it or not. And it's a legitimate conversation to say, I don't think it was worth going to war with Iran to stop them from having a nuclear weapon. Either I'm okay with their having a nuclear weapon, which makes you an idiot, or I think there are other ways through sanctions to stop them, which I think makes you naive, but you can

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Jack Armstrong (35:13)

Yeah, but it's not. It's not. But the whole I was fine with getting rid of their stopping them from having a nuclear weapon, but that was before I knew gas was going to cost a dollar more. What kind of argument is that?

Joe Getty (35:26)

Yeah, I can't remember how old I was when it was pointed out to me. It might even have been my mom who ended up getting her Masters of Divinity ordained as a minister in her 50s. But that I hadn't realized that the four Gospels were written for different audiences, which is why they are somewhat different in approach. It's one of the reasons some were written for the Greeks, others for the Romans, et cetera. I don't remember which is which because I'm sinful. But anyway, Trump is incredibly gifted at communicating with people who are already inclined to be with him or close to being with him. He is remarkably terrible at changing anybody's mind or bringing them along. And that's why I'd love to see Rubio do a little more talking about this.

Jack Armstrong (36:19)

Rubio should be the one going out and doing press conferences all the time and just hammering it over and over again.

Joe Getty (36:25)

Yeah, I get why it's the Commander in Chief, but the commander in Chief is absolutely terrible at bringing along the American people. If they're not sure they want to go somewhere, it's too bad. But it is. It just is what it is.

Jack Armstrong (36:35)

As they say coming up, we will finish strong. Also, I just wanted to point out a couple of things. I think Elon is behind on the day that the trial is starting. Not a coincidence, but more on the way. Stay here.

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Jack Armstrong (40:37)

4 wide through Turns 1 and 2 and all the way down the back turn away.

Joe Getty (40:42)

And Bolus is in the wall after contact right in front of pack. Blaney's around, Logano's around. They're all wrecking everything. This is the big one. That's the whole field.

Jack Armstrong (40:57)

What was that?

Joe Getty (40:59)

That was a 26 car pileup at Talladega. The biggest wreck in NASCAR history.

Jack Armstrong (41:06)

Somebody didn't signal.

Joe Getty (41:07)

Yeah, yeah. Looking at their phone, texting.

Jack Armstrong (41:11)

So if every car wrecked, then what happened? Is the race over?

Joe Getty (41:17)

They go have a picnic in the infield. I don't know.

Jack Armstrong (41:21)

I don't know.

Joe Getty (41:21)

If it was literally the whole field, it becomes a race. Exactly. Get out of your cars. Go. I don't know. Insane. I got to admit to some desire to check that out online.

Jack Armstrong (41:35)

So I. I smell something as The Elon Musk vs Sam Altman open AI trial begins today in Oakland. Opening statements. Ronan Pharaoh, one of the most high profile investigative journalists of the last decade or so, has a piece about Sam Altman being a lying, misleading scumbag that Elon retweeted today that just came out. And the Wall Street Journal had an article come out last night online and in today's paper about internal memos. People familiar with finances and concerns about how AIDS OpenAI is failing and not meeting any of their internal goals with sources told the Wall Street Journal this all landed today. Now, it could just be that, you know, the trials in the news or the Wall Street Journal thought they would do a piece coinciding with the trial. Or it could be the world's richest man, who's got $750 billion, found a way to get Ronan Farrow and the Wall. So many journalists at the Wall Street Journal to write some hit pieces that landed the day of the trial.

Joe Getty (42:49)

At the very, very least, Elon absolutely has contacts with so many people in the world of tech. He could say, hey, call Jim Schmidt and Jenny Jones. Ask them about Sam Altman, how honest he is.

Jack Armstrong (43:06)

Here's their numbers, right?

Joe Getty (43:08)

I mean, at the very, very least,

Jack Armstrong (43:10)

Well, a guy is rich and powerful as him, he's probably got tentacles upon tentacles upon tentacles of various companies, individuals, whatever, that you could influence one way or another with. With either. With access or investing in their company or who knows what.

Joe Getty (43:27)

Yeah, yeah.

Jack Armstrong (43:28)

Seems like a heck of a coincidence to two really bad Sam Altman. Articles from high profile sources hit the day of the trial.

Joe Getty (43:38)

Right? Right. And for some reason my mind is going back to various stories I've heard through the years which I believe to be true about, you know, like really great upstart car companies getting crushed by the big three back in the day, or the guy who invented intermittent wipers getting screwed and blah blah, blah. And there are potentially so many dollars at stake here, it makes the like war to be the biggest car manufacturer look quaint.

Jack Armstrong (44:05)

Yeah.

Joe Getty (44:06)

So yeah, I have a hard time knowing what to believe. I don't believe for a second everybody's staying within the lines of highly ethical conduct.

Jack Armstrong (44:15)

Occam's Razor would lead you to believe that. It'd be crazy. Super, practically never seen before.

Joe Getty (44:23)

Hardball.

Jack Armstrong (44:23)

When you've got trillions of dollars at stake like this.

Joe Getty (44:28)

I probably shouldn't say this out loud, but I'm an underachiever and I won't do it. Anyway. Could I start a razor company called Occam's Razor? The obvious way to get a close shave. That would be her slogan. It's like a Chinese restaurant called Walk this Way.

Michael Halperin (44:44)

I remember.

Joe Getty (44:45)

That's right. I forgot about that one too. Yeah. I just need somebody to walk behind me and implement my ideas and then just give me a cut. I don't even need a big cut.

Jack Armstrong (44:54)

Of course I have my non profit museum dedicated to letting people know about the amazing thistle. The name of the museum is this will be awesome.

Joe Getty (45:04)

That's right.

Jack Armstrong (45:04)

Which is a good name for a museum.

Joe Getty (45:06)

About thistles. Yes. In particular. Yes. Well, I appreciate your high minded public service approach. I'm all about profit. Yes. Pure profit.

Jack Armstrong (45:16)

You're like Sam Altman. I may be.

Joe Getty (45:20)

I don't know. That reminds me. Maybe we'll get to this tomorrow. Read a great substack entitled Everyone you meet online is a freak. An Internet for the obsessives by the obsessives. There's a lot of truth.

Jack Armstrong (45:36)

What does that mean?

Joe Getty (45:38)

Well, just that.

Jack Armstrong (45:39)

That

Joe Getty (45:41)

you're not seeing normal people with normal lives like influencing on the Internet. It's people who've just become entirely Internet oriented who are leading the Internet. And so it's become its own weird little sub subculture with a distorted view of what the world is.

Jack Armstrong (46:00)

Yeah. So then I read an article the other day and I never got around to it. Maybe I will. About how there's going to be a tipping point, especially with AI, where the Internet will be real life because everything will be. There'll be more energy reflecting upon what is being said on the Internet than there will be anywhere else that that could happen at some point. Then we're right. Then we're doomed.

Joe Getty (46:24)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's really no way to summarize this quickly, but it's no secret that Reddit monitors tend to be moderators tend to be extremely weird, antisocial losers.

Jack Armstrong (46:38)

Oh, I'm sure.

Joe Getty (46:40)

Whether it's the autistic non binary part time dog walker went on Fox News to complain that work is slavery, or the former head moderator of Live Stream Fail. Who recorded perhaps the most cringe open letter in human history, Reddit's history is filled with moderators embarrassing themselves.

Jack Armstrong (46:56)

That's the kind of writing I like. Well, that was something. Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Garrett. Ready?

Joe Getty (47:17)

I liked it.

Jack Armstrong (47:18)

Hey, let's get a final thought from

Joe Getty (47:19)

everybody on the crew to wrap up the show.

Jack Armstrong (47:21)

Why not?

Joe Getty (47:21)

Michelangelo, lead us off. Jack, you said that they can. The doctor can ask about your recycling habits.

Jack Armstrong (47:27)

I don't know that, but who knows

Joe Getty (47:29)

what they want to say? If they do ask, just tell me. You burn tires in your yard every afternoon.

Jack Armstrong (47:33)

Yeah, exactly. I got a tire fire going. Keeps my hands warm.

Joe Getty (47:37)

Katie Greener, esteemed newswoman, has a final thought. Katie?

Jack Armstrong (47:40)

Yeah, and when I feed my kids,

Joe Getty (47:42)

I just take the burger I'm making

Jack Armstrong (47:43)

and, and shoot it at their mouth with the spatula that I keep on the ground. Just make it a real bad story.

Joe Getty (47:49)

Oof. Jack, final thought for us.

Jack Armstrong (47:52)

Oh, it flitted out of my mind. I got old person's disease. What was. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Joe Getty (48:00)

Here's, here's a, here's a thought for you. It's my final thought today. If you'd said to the leaders of the Soviet Union, you can't submit convert the United States. They're too successful, they're too rich, they're too proud of their country. Those leaders would have said, yeah, it's probably going to take 60, 70 years, but I think we can do it. They'd be right.

Jack Armstrong (48:20)

I remembered my final thought since Reddit came up. If you've never spent any time on Reddit, you should. If you want to have some idea about America, particularly young people, particularly weird young people, just spend some time bouncing

Joe Getty (48:34)

around Reddit and then rethink your commitment to democracy.

Jack Armstrong (48:38)

Exactly. To self governance. Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

Joe Getty (48:44)

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Jack Armstrong (49:02)

Enforce the law. What a novel concept. That's a cool T shirt. I'm gonna wear that. I might be my daily wearer. We will see you tomorrow. God bless America. Armstrong and Getty what the type of AI it is.

Joe Getty (49:19)

What the F type of AIs it is. That's the question we're all asking.

Jack Armstrong (49:28)

It did, it did.

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I mean, you go any further down that dialect and it's just gonna be.

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