I Stand For Every Damn Syllable

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: I Stand For Every Damn Syllable

Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the political firestorms of the week, highlighting heated rhetoric around Trump’s statements regarding “traitorous” senators, performative politics, and the increasingly sensationalist release of the Epstein files. The hosts reflect on the dangers of mob mentality, the recurring cycles of moral panics (from witch hunts to contemporary politics), and the unintended consequences of technology—from the printing press to AI. Sprinkled with humor, gloom about the state of media discourse, and listener correspondence, the episode mixes analysis of headline news with insightful asides on human nature.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump's Rhetoric: Traitor Accusations and Calls for Violence

• The episode opens on the latest political spectacle: Trump’s comments about senators as “traitors” deserving capital punishment for “sedition” after a Democratic video urged military personnel to ignore illegal orders.
• The hosts express shock at how normalized such statements have become.

“If it were anybody else at any other point in our nation’s history, it would have been, ‘holy crap!’ ... Presidents shouldn’t be saying that.” – Joe Getty (18:27)

• They critique the corrosive effect of inflammatory rhetoric on both the left and right, warning that repeated calls for violence can motivate unstable followers.
• Discussion about the double standards in political name-calling, referencing Marjorie Taylor Greene.

2. History Rhyming: Witch Hunts, the Printing Press, and Modern Disinformation

• Drawing a parallel from medieval witch hunts to current disinformation cycles, Joe Getty discusses a podcast on the social forces behind witch hunts, emphasizing the impact of the printing press as a new medium.

“A new media product showed up ... able to disseminate information to many, many people cheaply and quickly ... But if crackpots put out disinformation, it traveled just as fast as good medical advice.” – Joe Getty (06:22)

• Jack and Joe compare the optimistic view of technology—printing press, internet, AI—to their real-world role in amplifying confusion, fear, and mass hysteria.
• Mark Twain’s classic observation gets a modern upgrade.

“A lie makes it around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. What would he say about the Internet age?” – Jack Armstrong (08:24)

3. On Human Nature & Reform

• Jack reflects on how all systems (religion, technology, politics) are corrupted and need continuous reform due to flawed human nature.

“If you put anything in the hands of human beings, they will screw it up, they will make it ugly ... There has to be reform after reform because we are human beings.” – Jack Armstrong (09:23)

4. AI’s Angsty Debut

• The hosts draw another analogy between past and present, observing how excitement about past tech booms (dot-com, cotton gin, printing press) are replaced by broad anxiety about AI.

“The percentages of people who feel optimism versus foreboding over AI is very low.” – Jack Armstrong (10:34)
“Only PhD experts and people invested are the people that I hear optimism from. I don’t know if I’ve heard optimism from any regular person...” – Joe Getty (11:05)

5. Light Moments & Media Recap

• Several lighter segments break tension, including discussion of a Russian robot “popping and locking” for Putin (12:05–13:51), and playful confusion over contemporary slang (“popping and locking” and “jugging” as new crime lingo).
• There’s banter about viral videos of robot mishaps in Russia and the darker implications for the engineers involved under a totalitarian regime.

6. Lead Story Rundown: Headlines of the Day

(17:45–22:17)

• Brief coverage, with commentary, of the top news stories:
  • Trump's reaction to Democrats’ video (as covered by all major outlets).
  • Congressman Ro Khanna on the Epstein files: warning of legal consequences for obstructing document release.
  • The U.S. reportedly urging Ukraine to accept a "Russia-favorable" peace deal.
  • Venezuelan military leaders involved in the cocaine trade.
  • A new crime trend called “jugging”—thieves attacking shoppers after leaving ATMs or stores.

7. The Epstein Files: Privacy, Gossip & Precedent

(29:53–39:53)

• In-depth discussion on the consequences of Congress and the DOJ preparing to release all Jeffrey Epstein-related files.
• Kim Strassel’s Wall Street Journal column is cited extensively, warning this will lead to reputational destruction based on mere association, not criminal act.

“It will be fueled by correspondence, hearsay, and accusations of the type that only law enforcement can compel and collect ... usually kept private. Now Congress is doing it.” – Jack Armstrong paraphrasing Kim Strassel (30:25)

• Hosts highlight the risk:
  • Once law enforcement leaks all investigatory material—unsubstantiated, salacious, or unrelated to criminal wrongdoing—it opens a new era of “mutually assured destruction” among American elites.
  • Larry Summers as a test case: publicly shamed for being associated with Epstein, despite committing no crime.
  • They warn about setting a precedent that enables the government to destroy the reputations of the innocent, simply through investigatory spillage.

“Can the public handle the difference between… people acted badly morally and the government is not in the business of… spewing out rumors and misdeeds to ruin your life?” – Joe Getty (37:27)

• They use hypothetical scenarios (e.g., phone taps exposing embarrassing but harmless truths) to drive the point home.

8. Correspondence, Listener Feedback & Media Critique

• The hosts read a critical listener message accusing them of “spreading propaganda” and respond with classic Armstrong & Getty banter and defensiveness.

“I stand by every damn syllable.” – Jack Armstrong (47:31, episode title reference)

• They discuss government corruption, referencing stories about postal workers gaming the system, and the challenges of combatting widespread cynicism about American institutions—both private and public.

9. The Media and Short Attention Spans

• A reflection on the short-lived life of stories in the modern news cycle and whether humanity can adapt to the onslaught of information.

“Will human beings adapt to this never-ending barrage… or will it make us insane?” – Jack Armstrong (23:18)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Modern Witch Hunts:
  “Shoots Sam Altman into space and if he survives, as it turns out, he’s not a witch.” – Joe Getty (11:39)

• On Double-standards in Politics:
  “She’s not against the principle of calling people traitors, just when it was pointed at her.” – Jack Armstrong (19:01)

• On News Fatigue:
  “I’m looking forward to a little break from the news … just never take a complete break because I’m not built that way.” – Joe Getty (22:36)

• On Government Investigations & Privacy:
  “You ever text a joke that you wouldn’t want the regular public to see? ... The government comes out and says, ‘Jack and Joe are clean with their garbage business, but Joe was totally gossiping about his sister-in-law and Jack shoplifted ... just thought you’d want to know.’” – Joe Getty, with Jack Armstrong (40:25–40:58)

• Arthur Laffer’s Economic Wisdom:
  “If you tax people who work and you pay people who don't work, don't be surprised if you have a lot of people not working.” – Quoted by Jack Armstrong (44:16)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:15 – Show’s comedic open; Trump/White House guest banter; general manager of the day
• 04:42 – Trump’s “traitors” statement deconstructed
• 06:01–09:01 – Witch hunts, printing press, social psychology, and media parallels
• 09:01–11:05 – Technology’s utopian promise vs reality; AI anxiety
• 12:05–13:51 – Russian robot “popping and locking” mishap vid: light segment
• 17:41–22:17 – “Lead Story” with Katie Green: rapid-fire news headlines with commentary
• 29:53–39:53 – Epstein files: government overreach, privacy risks, Strassel column unpacked; Larry Summers example
• 40:25–40:58 – Hypothetical: what if the government published all your embarrassing (non-criminal) secrets from investigations?
• 44:16 – Arthur Laffer “freedom-loving quote of the day”
• 47:31 – Jack Armstrong: “I stand by every damn syllable” (episode title)

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Tone & Style

• Language/Tone: Blend of irreverent, serious analysis, sardonic wit, and cynicism about institutions; banter-heavy and accessible.
• Notable: The show frequently oscillates between deeply sobering reflections on the state of democracy and playful, sometimes dark, humor.

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Key Takeaways

• Modern political discourse is dangerously performative and saturated with dangerous rhetoric.
• New technology—from the printing press to social media to AI—is always a double-edged sword and tends to amplify both truth and madness.
• Sensational releases of investigatory material (like the Epstein files), which spill into unfounded public shaming, set troubling precedents and could be weaponized against the innocent.
• The relentless news cycle and rise of reactive, short-attention-span coverage have profound effects on civic life, demanding new forms of literacy or, potentially, surrender to collective insanity.

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For Listeners:

If you missed the episode, this summary offers the central narratives, arguments, and Armstrong & Getty’s signature mix of skepticism and biting humor. Skip the news stories that won’t last—these are the discussions that define the show’s take on politics, media, and human nature.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here, Armstrong and Get it. Live from Studio C C, senor.

[Joe Getty]

It's Friday and we're in a dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong Etty Communications compound. And hey, y'.

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All.

[Joe Getty]

Today we're under the tutelage of our general manager.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a conservative's nightmare. Mamdani in the White House just for a visit, thankfully.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, geez.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ian Trump. This could be spicy. Woo. Does he call it? Caroline Levitt, press Secretary. The annoyingly voiced MAGA superstar called him a communist. Just yesterday from the pulpit of the press room, tensions running high. Yeah, that's, that's not quite right.

[Joe Getty]

Who was I quoting yesterday? Oh, yeah. Brian Kilmeade from Fox and Friends said this is going to make that first Trump Zelinsky meeting look like nothing. That'd be exciting. I hope that happens because there are no. The stakes are so low. It's not like with Zelensky and Trump, which I was horrified by because the stakes are incredibly high. The stakes are very low on some sort of blow up between Trump and the commie.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is, this is entirely entertainment.

[Joe Getty]

Just a show. Just a show.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump will, if it does get ugly, Trump will certainly overreact in a way that, you know, is unconstitutional or unimplementable and, and his vows of vengeance will just be forgotten. But how about, how about his truth.

[Joe Getty]

Social yesterday at the senators of the whole Traitors punishable by death. Oh, that's a heck of a thing for a president to say.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's a bit much. It's, it's a different approach to the presidency now.

[Joe Getty]

I, I hate that video they put out. We talked about it yesterday. We didn't have the audio. We'll have to play it for you today with all the different senators saying disobey orders. Disobey orders. Disobey orders. On. If you're given an illegal order, disobey it. And I don't know what they're trying to do here exactly, but that's, that's not cool. That's really, really uncool.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, it's, it's the purest sort of performative 21st century grandstanding.

[Joe Getty]

It really is. But then as we ratchet up everything further, or as I like to regularly say, a race to the bottom. Trump then goes with, these senators have committed treason. They should be shot or hung or whatever. He said. Pedal penalty is death, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. Hurl them in the Potomac and put. How about a ducking stool? If they, if they drown, they're innocent. If they float, they're a heretic and must be hanged.

[Joe Getty]

Then I got the dimension. This. I was listening to a podcast about the, the whole witch hunt phenomenon of that period in the Middle Ages, which eventually came to our shores.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think that is under appreciated.

[Joe Getty]

It really is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of what it reveals about human nature. But I'll let you have the floor.

[Joe Getty]

It reveals about human nature, also reveals about the spread of information, because the printing press is what really allowed that to happen. You had this new fangled media thing. Try to, try to, try to see if you can think of an analogy. A new media product showed up on the landscape that was able to disseminate information to many, many people cheaply and quickly for the first time ever. And everybody thought it would herald a new era of peace and love because.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can't think of a parallel, but go on.

[Joe Getty]

But it turned out that if crackpots put out disinformation, it traveled just as fast as, like, good medical advice or anything like that. And everybody bought it. So for some reason, just thinking that, well, it's on this printed paper, so it must be true. You know, kind of like people go with, well, it's on the Internet, so it must be true. And then this crackpot, and this is what I didn't know I'd never heard before. I wish I had the name of it. He wrote this, this long book. It's a book, really. He wrote this book about witches and everything like it. It was all anger about some woman at his church who had mocked him and, and walked out of one of his sermons. And that drove his whole thing about hating women and coming up with this whole witch idea. And if you see him doing this or that, if something, you know, if the cattle are dying in your village, it's probably the chick on the end of the vintage who was not married. He also had this thing about unmarried women and a whole bunch of people had died, I think, in the thirty Years War. And so there weren't many men around and there were a lot of unmarried women. And everybody thought that was just a societal change. We cannot have all these things factored together for the. The witch Hunts. And then they started doing what Joe was just saying there, she's a witch. His, his first trial went poorly and then he came up with the brilliant idea of, well, this is what you do. You set em on fire and if they, if they burn, they're not a witch. If they don't burn, they're a witch.

[Jack Armstrong]

And all that stuff. And the people bought that.

[Joe Getty]

People bought.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, Mr. Minister, sir, I got, I gotta say this, all right? There's no being innocent in your little system.

[Joe Getty]

Bit of a heads I win, tails you lose situation.

[Jack Armstrong]

It seem dead is the thing. So that seems like kind of a bump in the road here. You know, it strikes me that, and I'd love to reanimate Mark Twain in the grizzly Frankensteinian experiment if he wrote in the, I think it was the 1800s or the very, very early 1900s, that a lie makes it around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. What would he say about the Internet age?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, good Lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

Book length lies get memorized by millions while the truth is putting on its very expensive Nike shoes. Well, and then I guess they'd be, yeah, Air Jordans.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Just the, the idea that this new technology is going to bring peace and love and everything to the world in a way we've never seen also sounds a little bit like the most optimistic people about AI saying oh no, this will be heaven on earth for all human beings in a way that has never been okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

We were told this about the printing.

[Joe Getty]

Press and the Internet.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I remember expressing to my kids, I think it was my kids I said this to first years ago when we were talking about religion in general and Christianity and the history of it. And they were going to woke her schools than I realized at the time, although not nearly like today. And they, you know, asked the questions about, you know, the history of Christianity, a lot of like wars and killings and forced conversions and stuff like that. And I told them, look, if you put anything in the hands of human beings, they will screw it up, they will make it ugly, they will make it selfish to serve their own, you know, purposes. And there has to be reform after reform because we are human beings, including our relationship with God. If indeed, my good friends, you believe in God, of course we screw it up. That's what humans do. So yeah, AI is, is. Although as you keep pointing out, I keep thinking, okay, I understand human nature, therefore I have an idea where AI is going. And then you always say, yeah, but when it's running itself, then what?

[Joe Getty]

Well, we'll see you Know, I read.

[Jack Armstrong]

And this is an interesting notion. Giant tech booms of the past, from, you know, the cotton gin to the printing press to whatever always came with them. Some angst, but a great deal of excitement and, and, and anticipation. Like the dot com boom slash bubble. People were very excited about that seemed cool and interesting. The percentages of people who feel optimism versus foreboding over AI is very low. Large majorities of people are like, I'm not comfortable with this.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. You know, only PhD experts and people invested are the people that I hear optimism from. I don't know if I've heard optimism from any regular person about this is.

[Jack Armstrong]

A person who can create super intelligence. Perhaps a witch. I'm just asking questions. But she's a witch. Are we not allowed to ask questions now? Perhaps these people are witches and, and burnings of witches certainly has been a thing. I'm just asking questions.

[Joe Getty]

So shoot Sam Altman into space and if he survives, he's, as he turns out, he's not a witch. But. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Seems fair to me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Let's start the show officially on a Friday. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is a Friday. Thanksgiving.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sneaking up at it with a D this time. Thank God.

[Joe Getty]

The year. It's November 21st. The year 2025. Armstrong and Getting. We approve of this program.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, let's begin officially, according to FCC rules and regulations. Here we go at mark.

[Joe Getty]

Remember this?

[Jack Armstrong]

The robot fail last week when a Russian humanoid bot just fell right on his face. Well, another humanoid robot dancing for Russian leaders, including Vladimir Putin, as part of an exhibition put on by Russia's largest bank. The robot named Green there looking like.

[Joe Getty]

He'S popping and locking was shown on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Russian state TV during Putin's tour at the bank.

[Joe Getty]

Putin called it very beautiful. Yes, Katie, that guy just said popping and locking.

[News Reader]

Oh, he said popping and locking.

[Joe Getty]

It's popping and locking.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't even know what that means.

[Joe Getty]

A hip hop dance sort of expression.

[News Reader]

Lock and drop it.

[Joe Getty]

You do say popping and locking more than you hear anybody say. Popping and locking.

[News Reader]

Sounds like my joints.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, exactly. That's me putting on my socks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, Michael, My guess is the engineers.

[Joe Getty]

That did the other robot fell out of windows. Yeah, I was just thinking, I'll bet Putin, when that was making the rounds around the world, said, you get a robot that can perform well and you get it to me fast. Because we're going to make a video with me standing in front of this robot and we're going to put it out right away. No more failures. Stand next to this window.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'm. If I'm one of the guys with the first robot that fell on its face in hilarious fashion, I'm just calling the Kremlin and saying, look, I got a gun. I'll take care of it. Don't bother.

[Joe Getty]

Well, how about the guy dragging the curtain across the stage? Of course, you know, the reason they were acting that way was out of fear for their life. It's not just a yes. Oh, damn, my project failed. It' say I'm gonna be tortured to death because of this. Which is not, not, not an exaggeration.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, beaten up and hurled out a window. It's a rough way to go, but we all gotta go sometime.

[Joe Getty]

Do we have that video at Armstrong&getty.com we certainly have it at Twitter. It's pretty darn funny. The guy trying to spread the curtain across the stage to cover up the robot that fell over is almost funnier than the robot falling over. Poor guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ah, the lighter side of a totalitarian dictatorship.

[Joe Getty]

A lighter side of extrajudicial killings. We've got like popping and locking. That's right, popping and locking. We've got Mailbag on the golly clips of the week.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stay here, Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Not going to be a slow news day? I don't think so. Hope you can stick around. We'll have fun.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, Guaranteed. Lot of good misery. Oh, I let it slip. Sorry. Dang it. All right. Yeah, a lot of good stuff to come. Hope you can hang around. Let's figure out who's reporting what. It's lead story with Katy Green.

[News Reader]

Katie all right. Of course, the top headline on the Alphabet outlets ABC Trump calls Dems Video to Service Members Seditious Behavior Punishable by Death. NBC Trump Accuses Democrats of Seditious Behavior Punishable by Death for urging military to ignore illegal orders. And then cnn the President Suggested again, his political opponents deserve to be executed.

[Joe Getty]

So that's accurate as it goes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

If it were anybody else at any other point in our nation's history, it would have been, holy crap. I mean, would it be the response? You know, he's just shooting off his mouth. But presidents should be saying that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can't gripe against vague calls for political violence on the left. Now, come on, you say over and over, somebody ought to be executed. Some super patriot's going to decide, you know, he's right. I'm going to execute him. It's. It's terrible. It's indefensible. Stupid. I'm through. I'm done. I don't even know what that means. I'm here. I have a contract. I have to work.

[Joe Getty]

There's such a double standard somebody pointed out yesterday. And I thought, you know, it's right. Marjorie Taylor Greene coming out and saying, the president called me a traitor. I no longer support the president. She's been on board with calling all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Kinds of people traitors until she got called a traitor.

[Joe Getty]

So she's not against the, you know, the principle of calling people traitors just.

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When it was pointed at her built Bush body.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, no kidding. That too. She got to put on a tinfoil hat to protect herself from the Jewish space lasers. Who knows, they may get her. We all got to stop saying the.

[Joe Getty]

Other side is going to destroy the country.

[Jack Armstrong]

We just got to stop saying.

[Joe Getty]

But good luck with that.

[News Reader]

Jack from the Guardian. Congressman Ro Khanna warns officials to not impede Epstein file release. Quote, they will be prosecuted.

[Joe Getty]

There is going to be so much pressure to release as much info as possible.

[Jack Armstrong]

The. The fabulous Kim's Strassel with a description of what it's going to be like going forward. Cool. I want to hear that with Larry Summers as an example. Yeah, it's absolutely horrible.

[News Reader]

Oh, I want to hear that from the Washington Post. US Pushing Ukraine to sign peace deal by Thanksgiving or lose support.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, sign the peace deal by Thanksgiving or you'll lose US Support.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a surrender. Surrender to Putin.

[Joe Getty]

More to say on that coming up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Rewarding him for his aggressions.

[News Reader]

From the Wall Street Journal. The web of Venezuelan leaders and generals accused of fueling the cocaine trade.

[Jack Armstrong]

Really interesting. Yeah. The upper tier of their military is a drug cartel.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Partly just because they provide protection in a blind eye in exchange for millions of dollars in bribes to the Colombian producers to move the drugs through the country and distribute it to the North Americans and Europeans.

[Joe Getty]

And if you're a regular Venezuelan Just go. Just don't go fishing for a while. It's not a big deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just hold off on your fishing for a while.

[News Reader]

From Fox News, holiday crime fears grow as quote, jugging thieves target shoppers carrying cash and gifts.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, what's jugging?

[News Reader]

It's a new trend, Joe.

[Joe Getty]

What, what is jugging?

[News Reader]

This is, this is when thieves follow people to the store or to the ATM and then jump them basically right after they come out.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[News Reader]

With their cash and their gifts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why is that called jugging?

[News Reader]

I have, I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's some urban thing. Jack popping and locking.

[News Reader]

Popping and locking. From the New York.

[Joe Getty]

Like he's popping and locking. Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Moving and grooving.

[News Reader]

From the New York Post. Six, seven term that kids cancel. Stop chanting. Might have historical roots dating back to the Shakespeare era.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, this is getting a lot of attention. Maybe we'll talk about that later.

[News Reader]

From study finds. Should we eat dinner earlier in the winter?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why?

[News Reader]

Timing might matter more than you think.

[Joe Getty]

Ah, another secret diet.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's it.

[News Reader]

It's exactly it. Top secret. And finally, from the Babylon Bee recovery nurse turns on the news to get patients blood pressure back up after surgery.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's really good. That is so good, man. I think we all enjoyed that, didn't we?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I was just saying during the commercial break we're going to be on vacation for a little while. I'm looking forward to a little break from the news. I never take a complete break from the news because I just, they're not built that way. But a little break from the news will be nice.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah. Certainly the, the filter changes.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I will pay attention to.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah. Well, this, this will still be something when we get back to work. That's what's always interesting to look at and makes me wonder about some of the things that we end up talking about is there's lots of stuff that happened on a daily basis that will happen next week that I'll think nobody's going to be talking about this by the time we come back to work. It's the big story of the day. Nobody will even remember it happened by the time we come back the Monday after Thanksgiving. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because of the new way information circulates. And we've asked this question more than once and I, I'm not sure I'm getting closer to an answer. Will human beings adopt to this never ending barrage of input slash shiny objects to pay attention to things to pretend to be mad about or, or will it make us insane?

[Joe Getty]

Well, one of the way we're ways we're adapting is we no longer read, so I don't know if that's a step in the right direction. We got a lot to catch up on. I hope you can.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty Shh. You won't believe what my new friend just told me about dinosaurs.

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[Zing Singh and Simon Jack]

Hi, I'm Zing Singh. And I'm Simon Jack. And together we host Good Bad Billionaire, the podcast exploring how some of the world's richest people made their fortunes. And we are back with a brand new season of billionaires. Yes, movie megastar Arnold Schwarzenegger, America's richest self made businesswoman Diane Hendricks and co founder of Snapchat, Evan Spiegel, to name just a few. And we're asking you to decide if they're good, bad or just another billionaire. Good bad billionaire. From the BBC World Service. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe Getty]

White House pressuring Zelensky to accept this new peace deal. That is very Russia favorable. Mark Halpern writing today. He's got a theory on why that's happening right now. We'll get to that later.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, let's take a fond look back at the week that was. It's the Friday tradition Cow Clips of the week. We got clips, Clips, clips.

[Commercial Announcer]

The House passed a bill compelling the Justice Department to release all files related to Jeffrey Epstein.

[Joe Getty]

But in 2030, he's not going to be the president. And you will have voted to protect pedophiles.

[Commercial Announcer]

I was called a traitor by a.

[Joe Getty]

Man that I fought for five, no.

[Commercial Announcer]

Actually six years for.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think her life is in danger.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think, frankly, I don't think.

[Joe Getty]

Anybody cares about her.

[Jack Armstrong]

The bill demanding that the Justice Department release the Epstein files is now law. Linguists say the letter T is being.

[Joe Getty]

Dropped from words like kitten, mountain and interview.

[Jack Armstrong]

But wait.

[Joe Getty]

Now the fighters strip off their gloves and sit down.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is chess boxing.

[Joe Getty]

Go try to humble us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Don't stay locked and loaded. Instead, try ready to go.

[Joe Getty]

So what we've literally done is unwittingly built an economy which is dependent upon.

[Jack Armstrong]

Our ability to evolve a new species of asocial, asexual males. A fictional employee named Kyle was having an affair with a co worker named Jessica. Right away, the AI decided to blackmail Kyle. You said AI could wipe out half of all entry level white collar jobs and spike unemployment to 10 to 20% in the next one to five years. Yes. Your voice sounds a little rough. Are you feeling all right? I feel great.

[Joe Getty]

I was shouting at people because they were stupid.

[Jack Armstrong]

President Trump says he plans to sell F35 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia.

[Commercial Announcer]

Your Royal Highness, the US intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal murder of a journalist.

[Jack Armstrong]

Been asking him a horrible, insubordinate and just a terrible question. I grabbed that hand. I don't give a hell where that hand's been. I grabbed that hand.

[Joe Getty]

Amid all this, reports that US special.

[Jack Armstrong]

Envoy Steve Witkoff had hashed out a.

[Joe Getty]

28 point peace plan with his Russian counterpart.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is a flying IED. And so this IED.

[Zing Singh and Simon Jack]

IED.

[Jack Armstrong]

Improvised explosive device. They're cheap.

[Joe Getty]

You can 3D print them at home. You guys are effing hacks. I hope you go off the air soon because radio is dead and you suck.

[Commercial Announcer]

Wow, it's clips of the week.

[Joe Getty]

My voice is like this because I was yelling at people who are stupid.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, any chance you can come up with that abusive text that we heard the end of there, would that be? I'll find it very difficult. It's referenced in mailbag, coming up in a couple. Okay, I'll find. Bring it up. Speaking of slanderous information, as that text certainly was, the fabulous Kim Strassel, the Wall Street Journal writing today about, well, what she calls the Epstein files. Washington goes tabloid. The revelations will titillate the public and destroy lives to no possible good effect.

[Joe Getty]

Yep.

[Jack Armstrong]

People, I think the answer to that or the counter to that would be, well, if we can identify more of the people who molested underage girls. And that number is probably in the few dozen, not a thousand that people are throwing these days. But anyway, it's neither here nor there. But her point is, and her opening is TMZ and the National Enquirer walk into a D.C. bar, fall in love and have a baby. And a scandal fest for the ages which Congress delivers. And she points out what started as the Democrats goal, and this is absolutely true, they were fixated on tying Donald Trump to Jeffrey Epstein to become a bonfire of the to burn up Trump, but it's going to become a bonfire of the political elite. And here's one of the key sentences, and it's worth keeping in mind this about law enforcement. It will be fueled by correspondence, hearsay and accusations of the type that only law enforcement can compel and collect and that are as a result usually kept private. Private, absent formal legal proceedings, it will give new meaning to gotcha. And it'll spare neither left nor right. It's worth pointing out the government can make me say things that are unprovable, but then if they're unprovable and they won't lead to any official government proceeding, they don't just say, hey, look, there's gonna be no charges. But you can't believe the stuff Joe was saying about Jack. I mean, we don't want that, right?

[Joe Getty]

I've heard some arguments about the whole Larry Summers thing, whether or not that's a good thing or a bad thing. I think it's clearly a bad thing. Did he do bad? Yeah, but he didn't commit a crime. He is paid. He's paying quite the penalty. Now that could have leaked out without this or something and that would have been his own doing. He brought this on himself. But that is a different question because.

[Jack Armstrong]

What we're talking about here is not right and wrong because he certainly behaved like a jerk. I don't know what the status of his marriage is, but to be plotting on how to successfully cheat with Jeffrey Epstein is pretty repugnant. But at the same time. But I'm sorry, this is not a question of right or wrong, question of government restraint, government protecting our rights as opposed to just spewing out all the gossip it hears all the time at the point of a gun or subpoena, which is not cool. Anyway. Kim points out quite aptly, I think that the stakes in the game were changing this past weekend when Trump, after months of resisting, suddenly called for full disclosure and he openly broadcast his reason for the turnabout. Quote, epstein was a Democrat and he's the Democrats problem, not the Republican problem. Ask Bill Clinton, Reid Hoffman, Larry Summers about Epstein. They all know about him. It was a clear warning. If Democrats intend to weaponize the files, Republicans would weaponize harder. They're calling it nuclear mutually assured destruction, although Congress wasn't paying attention, so or or they didn't care or didn't think that was important. Then she talks about Larry Summers. The text exchanges contain nothing remotely illegal or related to Epstein's crimes. They weren't at all yet are cringe worthy enough to have forced Mr. Summers to take a leave from Harvard. Missile two splattered on another Democrat, Stacy Plaskett, the US Virgin Islands delegate to the House. Text messages from 2019. Shore corresponding with Epstein during a congressional hearing about how to question a Trump witness. It was Michael Cohen. What polls Republicans initiated a censure vote and she narrowly avoided the most serious censures that showed Michael Wolf, Trump antagonist, would be slayer of powerful, moonlighted as a PR advisor to the sex convict. Now they're going to go after Clinton. Why are you on the Lolita Express more than once? I think Comer is also digging into documents showing in 2013 a fundraising and PR firm pushing Hakeem Jeffries, who's now the House Minority leader invented, invited Epstein to a campaign fundraising dinner, et cetera, et cetera.

[Joe Getty]

And then the question is, as we were talking about last couple of days. Is this setting a new precedent where all the information will come out on all kinds of investigations? Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then Kim goes on, and again, this is, you know, I think we all knew part of this, but when you hear it spelled out, you start to realize the depth of the risk. Here, former federal prosecutor Jim Trustee enumerated to me in a recent podcast the more sensitive material that may be to come. Recordings, videos, witness statements in depth, notes from prosecutors debating unproven conspiracies, brainstorming charges of obstruction or collusion or false statements that are never brought because they realized, nah, that really didn't pan out. No, I was wrong. But those notes still exist. From the point at which they were saying, you know, I think Jack Armstrong may have been colluding with this company. Then they dig into it and realize 27 pages later, nope, he's clean, we're good. But those notes accusing you still exist and will come out. Then it will be incumbent on you to, I don't know, hire a PR firm and say, no, no, no, no. 27 pages later, it was good. They made clear. Let me explain and please, you won't have a chance. Search warrants and their results from homes, emails, social media, financial records. An investigator's job is to leave no stone unturned, no matter how distant from or crime. And Epstein dedicated his social life to amassing a heap of pebbles.

[Joe Getty]

Sure, you could find out the FBI searched all kinds of people's houses, laptops, phones, whatever that they completely cleared. But that won't be the story. The story will be, you know, name your favorite politician. The FBI grabbed his phone and searched it for ties to Epstein. The they didn't find anything, part of it being left out.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then finally, she writes, after two federal investigations, the reality is that 95, 99, 100% of the coming material will prove circumstantial evidence, if not completely unrelated to Epstein's criminal activities. It'll be purely sensational, purely prurient, even as it coldly rips through reputations, jobs and legacies. It was once the job of sleazy tabloids to destroy lives with lurid gossip that titillated the public but lacked public interest in the high minded sense. Now Congress is doing it. A single member, Louisiana Republican Rep. Clay Higgins, had the foresight to imagine the wreckage and threat of a new precedent. He observed the release, quote, upended 250 years of criminal justice procedure and will, quote, absolutely result in innocent people being hurt. Outvoted 427 to 1 in the house Unanimously in the Senate. Let the games begin. In which the odds are in no one's favor.

[Joe Getty]

Can the public handle the difference between sure, people acted badly morally and the government is not in the business of being the morality police and just spewing out rumors and misdeeds to ruin your.

[Jack Armstrong]

Life or it shouldn't be given their investigative powers.

[Joe Getty]

Larry Summers lost his entire career in public life over this. And he committed no crime. He just was. Knew a guy who. Who did. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And didn't sever ties with him.

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Does.

[Joe Getty]

Bad, bad judgment. But that's not a crime. And the government. That's what I'm saying. The government doesn't get to all of a sudden be the morality police and say, ooh, this looks bad and spit out information.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Did you happen to hear the National Review podcast where they talked about this the other day? They got into quite the argument over this very top topic of whether we should be concerned about a guy like Larry Summers getting swept up in this and having his life ruined.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

When he didn't commit a crime. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I need to hear that. I don't think I heard that one.

[Joe Getty]

Not standing up for his behavior? That's not the point. It's. Does the government get to go snooping around in investigations and finding salacious material unrelated to the investigation and then just put it out there to ruin your life?

[Jack Armstrong]

It's as if they phone tap you friends, which the government has the right to do. They get a warrant, they think you're part of a, I don't know, an illegal conspiracy to fix garbage collection prices. Right? Like you're mobbed up. They tap your phone for two months, turns out you are clean as a whistle. No, your. Your garbage business is completely on the up and up. But you said you think your sister's husband is cheating on her and you revealed that you know, when you were 23, you shoplifted and you regret it.

[Joe Getty]

Now I maybe have a better example that could ruin lots of people. You ever text a joke that you wouldn't want the regular public to see? Ever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

You texted a joke that was racially provocative or something like that and the government comes out and says yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know, homophobic or whatever. Government comes out and says nope, nope. Jack and Joe are clean with their garbage business, but Joe was totally gossiping about his sister in law and Jack shoplifted and blah blah blah. So anyway, just thought you'd want to know. God, we don't want that.

[Joe Getty]

Any thoughts? Text line is 415295KFTC.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. Shh. You won't believe what my new friend just told me about about dinosaurs.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Zing Singh and Simon Jack]

Hi, I'm Zing Singh. And I'm Simon Jack. And together we host Good Bad Billionaire, the podcast exploring how some of the world's richest people made their fortunes. And we are back with a brand new season of billionaires. Yes, movie megastar Arnold Schwarzenegger, America's richest self made businesswoman Diane Hendricks, and co founder of Snapchat Evan Spiegel, to name just a few. And we're asking you to decide if they're good, bad or just another billionaire good bad billionaire from the BBC World Survey. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe Getty]

When's mom Donnie the Commie visit the White House? I want we need some stupid, pointless, accomplish nothing fireworks today. That's what we need. So we need on a Friday.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what I'm hoping for. Absolutely. Came up with another great example of why we don't want the government spewing out raw investigative material. We'll talk about that later. Right now, it's your freedom loving quote of the day from the great economist Arthur Laffer. If you tax people who work and you pay people who don't work, do not be surprised if you have a lot of people not working. We tax speeders on the highways to get them to stop speeding. We tax cigarettes to get people to stop smoking. Why then do we tax people who earn income? Why do we tax people who employ other people? Why do we tax companies that make wonderful products at low cost and make lots of profits? Don't think for a moment that the same consequences don't befall taxes on income, employment and profits as they do on speeders and smokers.

[Joe Getty]

I love the laugher curve. It's so simple and easy to understand if you don't know what it is. Chat GPT it it's really interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mailbag, drop us a Note [e-mail] Want to do this one first? Quickly. JT In Livermore, over 50% of people think gas prices have gone up under Trump.

[Joe Getty]

I know, I saw that it was.

[Jack Armstrong]

If they think that when they're actually going down, what does that say about the polling? Doesn't it completely invalidate the polling on this issue? Well, not, not politically speaking, no.

[Joe Getty]

No, that doesn't make any sure. If people go to the polls believing something, doesn't matter if it's true or not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Right. And he says if you pull the color of the sky and over 50% of people said it was chartreuse, would you think the sky's chartreuse or would you think that 50% of the people are wrong? And if they're wrong on that one high profile item, aren't they likely wrong on many most of the other items as well? Yeah, you're absolutely right.

[Joe Getty]

But these are two different conversations, right? Are we going to elect somebody to do something about the chartreuse sky then if most people believe it's chartreuse, they're going to elect somebody who says, I'm going to fix the Chartreuse guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now a rare bit of audio in mailbag. This is a text Jack read yesterday.

[Joe Getty]

You guys are effing hacks. You spread propaganda. I can tell when I listen to you, when you guys know you're saying bs. I can tell when you guys cut out or change this up subject or go to a joke so only your fans and your listeners believe your s. Just so you guys know that. Just wanted to fill you in. Have a great effing day, Armstrong and Giddy. I hope you go off the air soon. I'm thinking the only reason you haven't is because somebody wants you to keep spreading your BS because radio is dead and you suck.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Perhaps if you'd ever attended a school, you'd be familiar with the term ad hominem attack. Are you seriously, my darling, I hope God made you pretty sweetheart. Oh, that was unnecessary. That was high regret.

[Joe Getty]

That was an unfortunate moment on the show.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good Lord, I lost my head there she was griping about we were reading the story about the unapproved illegal travel by eight schools in the Chicago school district. Spent millions of dollars on luxury travel in spite of it being completely illegal and unapproved and the rest of it. And I explained that it was because the teachers union is runs Chicago owns Chicago owns the government of Chicago and it's mobbed up and the Democratic party in Chicago is completely corrupt and she being a lefty I guess unloaded her filthy objection to our analysis of that, although I stand by every damn syllable.

[Joe Getty]

Forced to listen by her boyfriend, she says a spew our propaganda garbage every morning.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Oh my. Anyway, got this note from Kevin the Texas Texas Marine with a thought or two about the texture of Called you guys hacks for talking about the Chicago school corruption. During my eight years in the cor I saw plenty of grift, greed and graft and this was from Marines who self respected to join the Corps to serve with honor. Self selected I should say to serve with honor. Dated a lady for five years who was a postal worker and the story she told me about people milking light duty injuries infuriated me. She wasn't one, but was in no position to stop it. I have a friend who's also a postal worker. He told me someone who would tie a piece of baloney to his ankle finally got bitten by a tiny purse dog. He milked a fake injury for ear years. But yeah, government workers are all saints. Not one single one would ever try to game the system. Just those eight schools in Chicago. Sorry for the rant guys, but I see enough gaming the system in the private sector. At least there can be some consequences here sometimes.

[Joe Getty]

Let's not gloss over tied baloney to his ankle.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a classic.

[Joe Getty]

That is clever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Then milk the injury for years.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God. That is wow. Depressing wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Zing Singh and Simon Jack]

Hi, I'm Zing Singh. And I'm Simon Jack and together we host Good Bad Billionaire, the podcast exploring how some of the world's richest people made their fortunes. And we are back with a brand new season of billionaires. Yes, movie megastar Arnold Schwarzenegger, America, America's richest self made businesswoman Diane Hendricks and co founder of Snapchat Evan Spiegel to name just a few. And we're asking you to decide if they're good bad or just another billionaire Good bad billionaire from the BBC World Survey. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

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