I Want You To Look At My Liver. It Turns Me On.

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: I Want You To Look At My Liver. It Turns Me On.
Date: January 27, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

Episode Overview

This episode features Armstrong & Getty’s trademark blend of irreverent humor and sharp social commentary, focusing primarily on the infiltration of artificial intelligence (AI) into everyday life, dramatic shifts in immigration policy discourse, and the burgeoning legal battles facing social media giants over youth addiction and mental health. There’s thoughtful skepticism about the pros and cons of technological advancement, societal norms, and current events—all wrapped in the hosts’ biting, conversational banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dangers and Benefits of AI in Modern Life

• Opening Salvos and the Pope’s Warning
  The show opens with mention of Pope Leo’s statement cautioning about “affectionate chatbots” as “hidden architects of our emotions,” leading to discussions of how hard it’s become to discern humans from bots online.

  • Getty (03:17): “He warned against, quote, affectionate chatbots that may become, quote, hidden architects of our emotions.”
  • Armstrong (03:27, tongue-in-cheek): “Maybe if you could get some of those pedo priests in a relationship with a chatbot, then you wouldn’t have to... be involved with 10-year-old altar boys.”
  • Tone: Sarcastic, dark humor.

• AI as Personal Assistant: The Panopticon and Jeremy Bentham
  The concept of the "panopticon" is explored—a design facilitating constant surveillance—and leads to musings about exhibitionism, public display after death, and sensational exhibitions like the Body Worlds show.

  • Armstrong (05:04): “I just want to look at my liver. It turns me on.”

• First-hand AI Productivity Testimony
  A lengthy segment unpacks a Free Press article by Malik Cantelon, who recounts giving over her passwords, calendar, and money to AI (Claude by Anthropic) to automate personal tasks, optimize routines, manage finances, and more.

  - AI canceled unused subscriptions, sought refunds, managed and appealed parking tickets, optimized sleep based on REM cycles, and filtered email.
  - *Getty (09:15):* “She said, one day I got $700 back. This is absurd. I thought it cost 20 bucks a month to use Claude code and in a matter of hours it’s paid for itself.”
  - *Armstrong (09:24):* “Oh my God, I want that.”
  - *Getty (13:39):* “Suddenly, tasks you used to dread can be accomplished in a matter of seconds. It’s like the world unravels.”
  

  • Hosts reflect on the new threshold for tech adoption: “It’s not about programming ability, it’s about gumption and stubbornness to see through it—and another $20 a month to a subscription.” (Getty, 14:33)

  • Both express desire and wariness about letting AI manage more spheres of life:

    • Armstrong (15:04): “I have several thousand unread emails, so I’d like the chatbot to get in there and see if any of those are important from 28 years ago.”

2. Immigration: Changing Policies & Political Rhetoric

• Comparison Between Europe and the U.S.
  The hosts turn to breaking news that Spain is granting amnesty to half a million undocumented immigrants, providing them access to all EU member benefits.

  • Armstrong (19:20): “Spain is fast-tracking the legalization of over half a million illegal aliens and asylum seekers today... It’s going to be quite the mess.”

• Barack Obama’s 2010 Immigration Speech
  The hosts play and dissect an old Barack Obama clip (27:25–27:48) where he argues against amnesty for those in the country illegally, warning it would incentivize further illegal immigration and undermine those following the law.

  • Obama (27:27): “It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. This could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration.”
  • Hosts’ reaction:
    • Armstrong (28:18): “Barack Obama, moderate—he would be a right winger by today’s standards to come out and say that.”
    • Getty (28:55): “You could never get the Democratic nomination saying that now.”
    • Armstrong (29:43): “God, that's amazing that we have changed that much in that short a time.”

• Debate Over Policy & Incentive Structures
  The hosts express skepticism towards rapidly changing political stances, argue for consistent legal standards, and muse about the role of “being nice” vs. policy pragmatism.

  • Getty (31:13): “If I were to get into the head of a progressive person... They don’t have, like, fixed, actual principles. It’s just what’s being advocated right now feels like a principle.”

• Shutdown Gamesmanship & Political Cynicism
  Discussion veers into speculation about government funding, shutdowns, and the tactic of attaching or detaching funding for agencies like DHS as a means to hurt the economy ahead of elections.

  • Getty (36:30): “Wow, that would be really, really cynical. Which means it’s probably likely.”

3. Social Media on Trial: Addiction, Harm, and Legal Accountability

• Landmark Case in Los Angeles
  The latter segment delves into the beginning of a major trial against big tech companies (Meta, ByteDance, Google, et al) accused of intentionally making platforms addictive and harmful to children’s mental health.

  • Armstrong (41:46): “Major tech platforms are being sued over youth addiction and mental health harms... They purposefully created Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and Snapchat to be addictive.”
  • Getty (43:18): “How do you prove what's addictive and what's just so much darn fun?”
  • Armstrong (43:49): “And now social media is evil. Evil for kids, especially. Evil.”
  • Getty (45:47): “If you are selling something and you are aware of the harms it is causing...where’s the liability?”

• Skepticism About Legal Definitions and Responsibility
  The hosts dissect features like infinite scroll, autoplay, notifications, and recommendation algorithms, questioning how they could be criminalized when their purpose is user engagement—just like any other business.

  • Armstrong (44:29): “How could that be a crime? You just made a product I like easier to use.”

• Jury Decisions and the Precedent Problem
  There’s cynicism regarding jury ability to award massive damages even in the absence of scientific certainty (as with the Roundup/lymphoma lawsuits).

  • Armstrong (46:36): “I think it's not going to be hard to convince a jury, especially with the kind of money Google’s got, Zuckerberg’s got...I think there's going to be big payouts.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Irreverence and Satire

  • Armstrong (03:27): “Maybe if you could get some of those pedo priests in a relationship with a chat box, then you wouldn't have to be involved with 10-year-old altar boys.”
  • Getty (05:07): “I just want to look at my liver. It turns me on.”
  • Dark humor and quick switches from absurdity to serious analysis punctuate the tone.

• On AI-as-Assistant

  • Getty (13:39): “This is Claude code. My mom, who works in the pharmaceutical industry, stared at it for a minute, then typed, ‘show me everyone who hasn’t paid an invoice in the last 90 days.’ She looked at me like I’d performed a magic trick.”
  • Getty (14:33): “The bottleneck is no longer programming ability. The bottleneck is gumption.”

• On Political Hypocrisy & Memory

  • Armstrong (28:18): “Barack Obama...he would be a right winger by today’s standards to come out and say that.”
  • Getty (31:13): “I’m fascinated by the concept of how differently people’s brains work. If I were to get into the head of a progressive...they have no neurological memory of what they believed yesterday at all.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• AI Dangers and the Pope’s Warning: 03:00–04:10
• Panopticon, Bentham, and Body Displays: 04:10–06:24
• Story of Using AI Assistant (Claude): 06:38–14:33
  • Overview and key uses: 06:38–13:15
  • AI managing family finances: 13:15–14:33
• Immigration Policy Shifts (U.S. and Spain) & Obama Clip: 19:20–29:08
  • Obama’s 2010 Speech Segment: 27:25–27:48
• Philosophical Discussion on Changing Partisan Positions: 29:08–31:36
• Speculation on Political Shutdown Tactics: 35:05–36:54
• Major Social Media Addiction Lawsuit: 41:00–47:11
  • Jury’s role and stakes: 41:00–44:44
  • Legal definitions and features: 44:44–46:36

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Episode Tone and Conclusion

The show maintains its fast pace, satirical edge, and willingness to challenge mainstream narratives, whether regarding tech, policy, or public discourse. While the hosts are skeptical about both AI utopianism and the wisdom of jury-based regulation of tech, they also highlight the real anxieties and cultural shifts underlying both phenomena, using humor as a lens for critique.

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For listeners: This episode is a lively exploration of how AI and social media are reshaping our lives and how political consensus on immigration has shifted dramatically. If you’re interested in trenchant social commentary mixed with laughs, this one’s for you.

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George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong, Armstrong and Giddy. A warning from Pope Leo about the dangers of artificial intelligence. In a document released over the weekend, the leader of the Catholic church said it can be hard to tell whether.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

We are interacting with a person or.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

A bot these days online. And he warned against, quote, affectionate chatbots that may become, quote, hidden architects of our emotions.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Well, maybe if you could get some of those pedo priests in a relationship with a chat box, then you wouldn't have to.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Whoa.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

They wouldn't have to be involved with 10 year old altar boys.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

These are the Chicago Pope. This is. He's made a fresh start, I hope. Wow. Wow. Okay. Wow. That was vicious. So speaking of the Internet, do you.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Think that's a warning that needs to be made? It's something to worry about, what you just said, 100%. I do too.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

It might be like the warning that needs to be made. Yeah. So speaking of AI, it was funny. I'm going to work my way to the main topic, but have you ever heard the term panopticon?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

No.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

It was originally a work of architecture developed by the philosopher Jeremy Bentham and his brother actually of a structure with a central tower surrounded by like cells so the watchman could see what everybody's doing without them knowing he was observing them, whether prison or workers or children or whatever. And. And that the term panopticon became a word that was used to describe the surveillance state.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Gotcha.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

In general in the 20th century and. And talk about that. That phenomenon, the evils of it, blah, blah, blah. Jeremy Bentham in his will demanded that his body be dissected and put on public display. And it is, you see, like an.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Exhibitionist of the most severe kind. Is that what's going on here?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

I don't know.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I just want to look at my liver. It turns me on.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Who was I just reading about? One of your great writers or thinkers said, no. No funeral, no nothing. No statue, no headstone. Oh, Dickens was hardcore like that.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Why?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Yeah, don't publish any of my. Just, just forget. Forget about me. Let people read the books. I don't know exactly. I haven't. I don't know. But Bentham was The opposite. So there he sits at the University College of London, adorned with a. It's his skeleton, wearing, you know, the garb of the day, waistcoat and jackets, sitting on a wooden stool. He's got a wax head. It's not just his skull. They've got a wax head of his likeness sitting there staring out at students from its glass case. Wow. That's charming. Wow, that's some wackadoodle stuff.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Did you ever go to the. One of those human body displays? Remember when that was popular 15 years ago?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Whatever.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Katie's nodding her head.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Yeah, Yeah, I just saw the pictures. I didn't go.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

We always assumed that they were Chinese dissidents because where did they get these human bodies? But they were like skinned, actual human bodies. Yeah, there was one that was actually cut vertically into sections and then spread out. Yeah, I saw that in San Francisco. Maybe you and I saw the same one, but, yeah, probably. So this would be similar to that, what Joe was talking about. It's interesting. And nauseating.

[Guest or Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Putting aside the initial nausea and the nausea at the thought that it's political dissonance and, you know, the executees. It really was interesting anatomically.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

It has to be, obviously. So, speaking of AI, as we were sort of kind of, Malik Cantelon wrote a piece for the Free Press. AI took control of my life, and I love it. I give it my passwords, my calendar and my money. It gave me my life back. Brief note. She is the founder of knox, an AI assisted inbox organizing tool, and has a very busy schedule. She's very tech savvy compared to a lot of us lightweights, but she. She realized that she was making commitments she couldn't keep track of, had become so. So overwhelmed by thousands of notifications that I had put my phone in a perpetual state of do not disturb. She writes, I was desperate, and Claude promised salvation. All I had to do is give it every bit of data about my life and it began coding. Agents, little AI helpers living in your computer to accomplish all the TAs needed to do, she used. What the heck? It flitted out of my mind. Claude Code, which is Anthropic's coding tool. You just tell it, here's what I want to do, and it writes all the code for you.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

That's interesting. I was looking for something in Claude the other day, and I saw that code thing and I thought, what is that? Probably something I'll never use, but that's what this is.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

I've read a handful of accounts of people using it for fun and useful and silly stuff and I think it's pretty doable. I think it's $20 a month. Keep in mind now that this is anthropic, whose CEO in clip 11 said.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

This so, you know, I think to.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Be fair, none of us fully know.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

How to control AI systems.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Like, you know, I can't tell you. There's a 100% chance that even the systems we build are perfectly reliable. We do everything we can to make them more reliable every day. That's fine. You get the gist of it. We try, we try to improve them, blah, blah, blah. But. So you're going to feed all of your sensitive information into the AI, I.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Assume, bank accounts, passwords, all those things.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Yeah, indeed. Yeah. As she writes, Let me skip across to the first thing I asked Claude to do is tackle the subscriptions I pay for and never use. Gym memberships, Streaming subscriptions. Cell service providers are banking on the fact that you're too tired, too overworked, and too forgetful to cancel. So I copied a bit of code from GitHub called just effing Cancel and fed it to Claude. It pulled all of my transactions across all my credit cards, and when it found repetitive subscriptions, it would ask me, hey, is this something that you use? And I would say, yes or no.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I need to do that bad.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

When it said no, it found a contact for the company and drafted an email asking them to cancel my subscription.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Oh my God, I want that.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

She said, One day I got $700 back. This is absurd. I thought it cost 20 bucks a month to use Claude code and in a matter of hours it's paid for itself. I didn't stop there. I get a lot of parking tickets that I often lose track of because the city of San Francisco, where I live only prints them out once per citation. I think I've gotten three parking tickets in my life. But I told Claude, here's my license plate. Go and find all of these for me. It came back first with an audit of every single ticket I could click to open the pictures, actually see on a map where the ticket happened, what day they were issued, what the reason was, the cost. I had 10 outstanding citations. Claude paid for all of them using my credit card. Then I asked which ones I could appeal with a reasonable chance of prevailing. It told me. Then I wrote an appeal for one of them and emailed it to the city.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Remember our old news guy Marsha Phillips had so many parking tickets he got thrown in the LA County Jail for a month. Jail For a month. Yeah.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Because he had no. No money. He the equivalent of the debtor's prison jack. Unfair.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

He needed this. Claude Bottom.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Yeah, with parking tickets taken care of, I was ready to focus on my health. I find that I sometimes wake up groggy, even after a solid seven or eight hours. So I asked Claude to write an application to optimize my sleep. The whole idea was it would wake me up exactly at the end of an REM cycle so I wouldn't feel super tired. I did this by connecting Claude to my smartwatch whoop, that stores data on my heart rate and blood pressure. All I had to do was copy the code for whoop's application programming interface from the company's website and give it a clause where I could start pulling my health data from my watch. Now, when my heart rate drops below certain thresholds as I drift off, the watch alerts Claude and counts four REM cycles, about six hours from that point before it wakes me up. My health is better since I enlisted claude. It planned my workouts and found time for them, blah, blah, blah. Now this all is starting to sound a little intimidating to me.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Well, right. That's what I'm wondering. Can I get. I don't know, can I get Gemini or Grock to get in contact with Claude and tell IT to do this or have Claude tell Claude or something?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

I mean, yeah, I feel like we're probably a couple of weeks away from somebody realizing, hey, this is an enormous profit center, right? But people like Joe and Jack and a lot of you good folks, I'd imagine here, all I had to do was copy the code for whoop's application programming interface from the company's website and give it.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Yeah, not going to happen. Yes, Katie, under if.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

I wonder if, since this article has.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Come out and it's public, if you.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Could go into Claude and say, hey, I want you to duplicate what you did for this.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I want you what you did for that chick.

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[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Let's see it analyze. I hit inbox zero for the first time ever thanks to Claude. Filtering and deleting spam while auto drafting replies for all relevant inbound emails. It analyzed my bottomless pile of Apple notes and meeting TR transcripts. Found the things I'd procrastinated on, took care of them instantaneously, from confirming travel details to following up on action items from meetings. I don't have a lot of meetings, thank God. My personal fight. Here we go. My personal finances are now managed by Claude. Code overnight it picks the locks of brokerages that refuse to talk to each other and pulls congressional and hedge fund disclosures, poly market odds, ex sentiment headlines and 10Ks from my watch list. I don't know what half of that is. Every morning it scans the news and writes me personalized briefs on my portfolio and opportunities to buy or sell. Last month it flagged Democratic Congresswoman Cleo Fields buying at least half a million dollars in Netflix Netflix stock. Three weeks later, it flagged the potential Warner Brothers merger. I don't always take its advice, but I'm never tracking 15 tabs at 16am and 6am anymore. Sorry. Trying to parse what the best trade is. Man, this chick is a hard charger.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I need to try some of this today because I'd never thought of it before. If I tell Claude or I have all four of four of them. Gemini, Claude, Grok and Chat GPT. But tell one of them like my schedule for the week. Here's what time I pick up this kid from where Boy Scouts this day, Guitar list that. Blah blah blah. Put it in there and just remind me of these every morning. And then get in the habit of, hey, Claude, what do I got today?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Yeah.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

And then it tells me. Does it keep it keep track of.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

I suppose it would, yeah. Yeah. And I mean, compared to a lot of this, that's very ABC. 1, 2, 3. But for a lot of us, I mean, it would be pretty helpful. Listen to this, would you? Over Christmas, I introduced my parents to a new way of life. These are people who treat software updates as personal attacks, so I was careful not to use the word coding. I love that I just said, type what you want to happen in plain English. This is Claude code. My mom, who works in the pharmaceutical industry, stared at it for a minute, then typed, show me everyone who hasn't paid an invoice in the last 90 days. She looked at me like I'd performed a magic trick. Within days, they were running my dad's accounts receivable through it. For 20 years, software made them feel stupid. Now they tell it what to do.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

That's a good story.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Wow, that really is.

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[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Suddenly, tasks one used to dread can be accomplished in a matter of seconds. It's like the world unravels. My dad called it a superpower. In the bewildered tone one reserves for cursing a rigged game. It's not just me and my family. Other people are using it to run vending machines, home automation systems, and keep plants alive. This is the default now. The bottleneck is no longer programming ability. The bottleneck is gumption. Who has the nerve to try? And the stubbornness to see through it. And ironically, the willingness to dedicate another $20 a month to a subscription.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I was just looking at my email. I've had the same yahoo email for 30 years. How long has Yahoo been around anyway?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Quite a while.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I have several thousand unread emails, so I'd like the chatbot to get in there and see if any of those are important from 28 years ago. Maybe I missed an important medical appointment or something. Money that you won.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Wow. Yeah, one of those we are trying to find you. Your uncle has died and left you $7 million.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Somebody wanted to date me or broke up with me or whatever. Could be. I'll be in there. I don't know.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

She's wondering why does he keep showing up? This is so weird. I've broken up with him like four times. I don't know what to do.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Ah boy, that is funny. Why do we have an aircraft carrier and three destroyers there in the Middle East? Close enough to attack Iran? Is it because we're going to attack Iran? Among other things we could talk about. Stay here.

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You know I'm the President of the United States. I'm not the emperor of the United States. My job is to execute laws that are passed and Congress right now has not changed what I consider to be a broken immigration system. And what that means is, is that we have certain obligations to enforce the laws that are in place. Even if we think that in many cases the results may be tragic, there are going to be some stories that break our hearts.

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So there's that clip and Hansen, let me know when you get that other one for Barack Obama from 2010 that Elon Musk just retweeted because it's gets into more of the details about why you can't just all of a sudden say, ah, you get to stay, which is what they're doing in Europe. And this is not getting near enough attention. Spain is fast tracking the legalization over a half million illegal aliens and asylum seekers today, which will provide them because you know the way the European Union works with full legal status in Europe to travel around any of the EU countries for work, residency, welfare benefits, everything else. Wow, half a million. Now Elon tweeted out that story with a video of a bunch of I assume the point of this video is that these are people from other countries beating down a, a regular Spanish person in the street over cultural differences. Probably. Anyway, if you don't know that they're having all kinds of problems with cultures bumping up against each other in Spain and France and Germany and England and lots of places, then you are really not paying attention. But legalizing the half million. Let me know when you get that Barack Obama clip. Cause that factors into this importantly, but I can't believe this is happening. So NPR presented it today as Europe has a real shortage of workers with a shrinking population, you know, like every other first world country does right now. And so they need the workers, but. So this is the process. Just let anybody who came in illegally, whoever the hell they are, and you haven't even checked, stay and have all the benefits thereof in welfare states.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Yeah, so it would seem. I just read 85% of Afghan families who are in the US with children are on welfare. One or more programs. 85%? It's more like 52%.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

How is that out of bounds to talk about?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

I know, I know. And, and there's a great deal of fear that they are learning how to game the system. Having come from a system where you have to game the system, I am shocked at how few people, newspapers, commentators, talk about the true reasons for rampant immigration. I just, I don't get how people don't get it.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Well, even if you, even if you want to fully address that, you still gotta have a system. Let's decide who we want if we're gonna decide we need more people. You don't let the people who break into the country decide who gets to be here. That's a stupid way to do it.

[Guest or Political Commentator]

Well, right.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

I would agree. It's, it's, it's stupid and it's suicidal. It's dangerous. It's, it's all sorts of stuff. But if you are in a situation, I'm not not defending it, I'm just describing it. Look, the right won't give on this stuff. The left won't give on this stuff. So we keep doing it under the table.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Well, Barack Obama had it exactly right in 2010. It's, it's, it's amazing that how even the Democrats understood the reality of this not that long ago. And now our politics have moved so far from this. We'll play the Barack Obama clip. I'm talking about when we come back on why he said, you can't just legalize the people that are here.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Barry Obama is now a moderate. Wow.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

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So we're just talking about how in Spain today, they're, they're, they're, they're rushing through. Basically, it's an amnesty thing. They're doing with a ton of the people that came to the country illegally, which we did have done in this country a few times. They got a half a million people there that are there illegally. And they've decided they're just going to say, okay, you're a citizen. Well, because it's the eu, Then you're a part of the European Union and you can travel from country to country. And they're welfare states, socialist welfare states, most of them. So you get all the benefits that go with being a citizen. I mean, it's going to be quite the mess. And a lot of the natives of the country, people who were born there, not happy with this.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Just for the sake of the discussion, Spain has roughly one seventh of the population of the United States, 3.5 million people.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Good thing to know all of a sudden.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Although, as you point out, quite appropriately, they can spread throughout the EU and suck off the delicious government teeter. Whatever.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Here's Barack Obama in 2010 about why that's not a good idea.

[Guest or Political Commentator]

There are those in the immigrants rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are illegally with legal status or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. And often this argument is framed in moral terms. Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living? I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument, but I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I'll be darned.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

That would never happen.

[Guest or Political Commentator]

And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

And what are you going to do?

[Guest or Political Commentator]

Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders. What, and set laws for residency?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

We do citizenship. We do. Fascist.

[Guest or Political Commentator]

Fascist. And no matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the 11 million who broke these laws should be held accountable.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Okay, that's, that's Stephen Miller from the White House.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Sorry. Mr. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, Mr. President. I don't know if you know this, but illegals commit crimes at lower rates than natural born citizens or whatever horse crap you want to throw out to justify why you shouldn't have any borders.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Good, fresh, pungent horse crap.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

You, you said jokingly, Barack Obama, moderate, he would be a right winger by today's standards to come out and say that. Absolutely. Say that borders matter. Doesn't matter how good a person you are. You don't get to come here illegally. You don't get to stay, even if you're a hardworking, law abiding citizen.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Even if they're nice folks. It's fundamentally unfair to those people who are following them.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Right. And it will encourage more illegal immigration. Unbelievable that we are where we are right now. We're saying that sort of thing would be controversial. You could never get the Democratic nomination saying that now. I don't think.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

No, no. If you could, I'm picturing Rahm Emanuel's version of that because he will have a version of that. It'll be interesting to see what he comes up with.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

And, and if he, and if you could, it's only because the blowback of the last several years, you couldn't have, last cycle, in the cycle before, no freaking way you could have stood on that stage and gotten the nomination saying, no, no, no, no. If you came here illegally, there's got to be some sort of penalty. Either you got to go back or pay a fine or whatever. We can't REWARD Illegal immigration.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

19 of the 20 Democrats, and Joe Biden was just too senile to answer the question, raised their hands and said, yes, we should give free medical care to illegal immigrants. Please.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Can you imagine the booze that would have rained down on someone like Barack Obama if he'd have said that in one of those debates?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

So many boos.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

God, that's amazing that we have changed that much in that short a time.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Well, and it's also amazing that the folks who scribble for a living are either so detached from reality or so dishonest that even they don't stop and think, wow, this is a real transition for my party. I mean, we used to be way over there where Barack Obama was. Are they even aware of it? I'm actually honestly curious to know that.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

If you were to hit a Michelle.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Goldberg in the New York Times, for instance, with that, just jot it down, write it out and hand it to her and say, what do you think of that? Never react to it.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I know. I tell her, Barack Obama, I have friends. I'd like to play that and the Hillary clip we played the other day for him and Bill Clinton the other day, and say, so what's your reaction? I think their first reaction, honestly, might be, that's AI. That can't be real. There's no way Barack Obama actually said, you can't allow illegal immigration. A nation has a right to have borders.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Wow. I'm fascinated by the concept of how differently people's brains work. And I wonder, if I were to get into the head of a progressive person, if it would be terrifying because I would realize, oh, my gosh, they don't have, like, fixed, actual principles. It's just what's being advocated right now feels like a principle to them. And they have no, like, no neurological memory of what they believed yesterday at all.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I think the overwhelming feeling would be that being nice overrides anything, right?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Being accepted, saying what I'm supposed to say and being rewarded for it.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

The nice thing to do would be to allow people to stay and do whatever the hell they want and get free health care. So you don't. You don't run that through the. But how would that work? How could we afford that filter? It's just nice.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

And then if they, you know, because it'd be one of those swaps where, like, I stay in their apartment and they stay in mine. We switch countries for a while. In the summertime, do you drive the.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Subaru and then they drive your truck or whatever.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Is it, hey, you know, if we can work it out? Sure, why not? But then they would get into my head and think, oh, my God, this guy. Like, if somebody says, I disagree, he doesn't care. It's like a superpower. Or he thinks, oh, that's interesting. He doesn't feel at all threatened by people disagreeing with him. He's intrigued by it.

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[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

You wear Birkenstocks. They wear normal shoes. You start taking bags.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

I think I would bring my own shoes.

[Guest or Political Commentator]

I don't know.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

How far do we have to go in this? Are you going to wear their underpants, too? What's the matter with you? You bring your own stuff. You just stay in their pad. Boy, I would be freaked out by that. I love that idea. But anyway, so I don't know. What do y' all think? I mean, there are obviously, you know, like, your hardcore political activists are just liars. They're cynical liars. They know perfectly well the difference between what Barack and Hillary were saying in 2010, 2015, whatever, and what they're saying now. They just don't care. They're cynics but your average, you know, left voter, not like center left Iowa farmer, always votes Democrat, but you're left voter. Do they have any awareness of how much their own position has changed or are they just so governed by feelings they don't know? I honestly don't know the answer to that question.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Do you think. I think so. But do you think Barack Obama believed that at the time? I think he did.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

I think he did, too, yeah. 100%.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Well, because it's right for one thing. It's just 100% correct, everything he said.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Right, right. I think he was holding out hope that Congress could come together and come up with an immigration plan that would get a few of his wish list passed.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

So I did hear two, two more things on immigration. I heard somebody say, and this might be true, that Trump wanted such a big, splashy, chaotic, ugly, we ain't putting up with this anymore. That it completely, maybe for a generation, sends a message to the world, don't come. Not just Kamala and Biden saying don't while rolling out the red carpet and promising free healthcare. But like don't as in we're going to drag you out of your house and, and it probably will work and that's probably what's actually going to happen. It'll be a long time before you have, what do they call those caravans headed toward the border thinking they can come in and just enjoy, you know, being in the United States, setting up shop. I think it'll be a long time before that happens. Probably went further than Trump wanted and it's turned into blowback and all that.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

But, but what if, like, I don't know, something crazy happens, then the Democrats just win the White House with big numbers and it's a lefty lefty, not a Rahm Emanuel, but a Gavin Newsom. You don't think those borders will be open immediately and world will filter out quickly?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I don't know. Certainly might happen. And then one other thing on this and then we can move on because there's some other thing I want to bring up, which by the way is.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Why you don't do stupid stuff so you don't lose that election.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

And well, it's also a reason why you pass legislation. Of course there is legislation around illegal immigration. Just lots of people don't want to follow it. But it's a lot harder to change laws than it is, you know, executive orders and enforcement of laws by presidencies so it doesn't swing back and forth so fast. The other thing is I heard Brian Kilmeade say this on Fox and Friends this morning. I haven't heard this anywhere else. So the Democrats are saying they're not going to vote for the next bill that funds the government unless you pull the DHS money out of it. You need to pull the DHS money out of it.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

We'll vote on that separately, I guess.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

And Republicans are saying no. So. And you need 60 votes to pass the legislation. So Democrats could actually hold it up on that. Kilmeade's theory was that big, long government shutdown that had no effect on me, but I guess it did on some of you. The longest shutdown we've ever had recently had a, an actual measurable effect on the economy. The government is so freaking big. And it lasts long enough. It's the only like real blip we've had in economic growth in a while. And he thinks they want another shutdown. With another blip in economic growth headed into the midterms. That's a reason to shut the government down. And this is a great excuse for it.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

They could blame the tariffs, which honestly I'm still against. I don't think they're good for the economy. But wow, wow, wow, that would be really, really cynical. Which means it's probably likely. Yeah.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Chuck Schumer says, hey man, we got the wind at our back on this whole Minneapolis ice thing. We say we're going to shut down the government over this. People will be on board with us and we can shut down the government a while and hurt the economy.

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Something I wanted to get on to before we go off there in Los Angeles today because a trial began in LA today. What could be probably will be a landmark trial against social media companies. They're getting into jury selection process. What's it all about? We can and explain that coming up.

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Landmark Bellwether Some of the words being used to describe the social media trial that is beginning today in Los Angeles. Jury selection has begun already. The key being here there is a jury. Juries often award crazy amounts of money, even if it doesn't make sense. See the whole Roundup lymphoma thing where there's never really been proof that the weed killer roundup causes lymphoma, but the guy in San Francisco won like $90.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Million.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

From them even because a jury thought, well, it sure sounds like it could have or something, right?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

You never got cancer. Yeah, they can afford it.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Yeah, exactly. They can afford it. Is always the thing with juries. But it. And I don't know what side of this I'm on depends on which little part of it you're talking about. So what's going on here? Los Angeles County Superior Court today, major tech platforms are being su sued over youth addiction and mental health arms. With the idea that they purposefully created Instagram, Tik Tok, YouTube and Snapchat to be addictive. They obviously did. But to me, whether or not that's illegal is a different question, which we can get into a little bit. So your defendants are meta, Instagram, Bytedance, TikTok, Google, YouTube. Like Zuckerberg's gonna be on. On the stand. I mean, like the, the really heavyweights are gonna be on the stand in this trial. Snapchat was involved, which has been a bad thing in my family just in recent weeks. But they settled out of court like this smorgasbord warning, some sort of settlement. So they are off the hook for now. They, they, they settled separately before the start of the trial today. Who knows how many gazillions of dollars they forked over to stay out of this.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Too bad, because I'd like to see some good, solid, you know, precedents set.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

It includes, the plaintiffs include a 19 year old identified as KGM, representing families claiming the platforms are intentionally designed to be addictive and harmful to children's mental health. Well, addictive, obviously. Harmful, that. Then that's got to be proven, I guess. But man, I'll bet a jury buys it.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Yeah, but how do you prove what's addictive and what's just so much darn fun? This is addictive. Well, right?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Or is it a crime to make something addictive Is a loaded term, but just something you really, really like that you're gonna do a whole bunch of times. Is that a crime? I mean, I'm thinking about the.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

The game of baseball. Was that for me?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Right, right. Or playing the piano or fast food or all kinds of different things that I really like and do too much sometimes. And chocolate cake. Is that a design to be addictive?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

And now social media is evil.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Evil for kids, especially. Evil.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Full on evil. But how do you nail them?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Yeah. This could influence how social media platforms are regulated and challenge legal protections going forward for all companies all around the world. No doubt about that. The lawsuit claims companies built features like. Like, look at these individually. Infinite scroll. How could that be a crime? You made it easier for me to scroll through this stuff. Does it make it more likely I spend too much time on here? Yes, but he just made the. He just made a product I like. Easier to use. How could that be a crime?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

Yeah. I hate these people, but you gotta steal a man. The arguments. You know what I mean? I mean, it's like if the golf store were to say, excus. Excuse me. Excuse me, Mr. Getty, I'm gonna have to ask you to stop buying golf equipment. You've. You've spent enough now. It's just unlikely they would do that.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Or the fact that they put the new drivers right by the front door because that. That. That's what they know most people are interested in. Is that illegal? I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't know where they're gonna go with this. Infinite scroll. Autoplay. Again, I don't see why that's a crime. You just. Okay, okay. Notifications. Recommendation algorithms specifically designed to keep young users engaged. That's your job as a business. That's. That's our job. Our job every single day for four hours is to try to keep you engaged the entire time. I hate these social media companies, too, but, I mean, these are some really squishy things.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

We need an Algorithm. Michael, come up with one.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

Now, whether or not they knew they were contributing to anxiety, depression, eating disorders and other harms, and like, you know, let's develop autoplay. This will make them super depressed, but it'll make us more money, right? I don't know. And again, it's a jury trial. All they got to do is make the jury think. I'll bet they did. Besides, who's richer than Google? $9 billion.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

I need to ask an actual attorney about this. But if you are selling something and you are aware of the harms it is causing, and you do so. So anyway, okay, where's the liability?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

I'll use an example of Tucker Carlson or maybe even just MSNBC or Fox News. You know, you're whipping people up and probably making them more afraid. And you're. And you. The whole design is to keep them tuned in. Have you crossed some sort of line? And you owe billions of dollars to people who are more anxious now than they were before they watched the news?

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Getty]

This stuff is all pretty squishy. I see your point, and I would love to come up with a way to rein these people in. They're Satan, they're the devil, but it's tough. Well, I can't wait to follow this story.

[Armstrong and Getty Show Host - Armstrong]

As a guy who. The reason I followed the Roundup lymphoma thing closely was I got lymphoma and, like, waited in Roundup for many, many years working on farms and that sort of stuff. But there still has been no solid link. Yet a jury has ordered gazillions of dollars be paid out people. I think it's not going to be hard to convince a jury, especially with the kind of money Google's got, Zuckerberg's got. I think there's going to be big payouts. It's going to be interesting to watch. If you missed a segment of this show, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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