Ideological Bubbles

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Ideological Bubbles
Date: September 16, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Main Hosts: Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the concept of "ideological bubbles" and the dangers of political polarization—especially how media, universities, punditry, and social media foster echo chambers that diminish civil discourse. Armstrong and Getty focus on escalating political violence, the “both sides” argument, and the cultural obsession with travel as a form of social currency. The episode combines sharp analysis of recent incidents, media reactions, and societal shifts, along with their trademark banter and social observations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Both Sides” Argument and Political Violence

Timestamps: 03:23 – 10:38

• Armstrong criticizes the tendency to flatten acts of political violence into a “both sides are equally bad” narrative. He contends this is especially unhelpful when one side shows a greater reluctance to denounce violence.
• Armstrong: “The fact of the matter is the both sides argument not only doesn't fly. We don't care. We don't care about your both sides argument. That is dead.” (04:17)
• They play a clip of Greg Gutfeld from Fox’s The Five, where Gutfeld goes off on Jessica Tarlov regarding “both sides” discourse.
• Armstrong articulates a worry about the normalization and acceptance of violence on the left:

  “...the absolute acceptance of political violence in general on the left, particularly the young left, is an enormous problem... I don't just include murders in that because... every arson, property damage, assault, chucking rocks at cops, they're all, you know, a step along that road...” (05:05)

• Both hosts agree that political violence from any side is “awful and it'll lead us to ruin.” (08:34)
• They discuss the prevalence of violence or threats thereof shutting down conservative voices on college campuses—a phenomenon they see as one-sided:
  • “A conservative has to be afraid for their safety... there's not a single progressive speaking on college campuses that has to be concerned about their safety. I mean, that's all you have to know.” (09:36)

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2. Firing Those Who Celebrate Political Murder

Timestamps: 11:04 – 14:12

• They scrutinize reactions to the murder of Charlie Kirk and the firings of individuals who celebrated his death on social media.
• Armstrong quotes Eliana Johnson’s article: “Firing those who celebrate the murder of an innocent man is not Cancel Culture... Cheering the murder of our political opponents has long been outside the bounds of acceptable political discourse.” (11:57)
• Discussion of Johnathan Perkins, Director of Race and Equity at UCLA, tweeting “it is okay to be happy about Kirk’s death. Good riddance.” (12:14)
• They perform a mock dialogue about whether celebrating a political enemy’s death invites reciprocal violence, with Armstrong responding in the “voice” of Perkins:
  • Armstrong (as Perkins): “It’s the difference between killing somebody for being evil and killing them for being good… That’s his point of view.” (13:50)
• Getty: “That’s nuts.” (14:11)

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3. Trump, Hate Speech, and Political Media Games

Timestamps: 18:40 – 23:30

• Armstrong and Getty discuss Trump’s provocative comments suggesting the Attorney General should pursue hate speech charges against ABC’s Jon Karl, and the predictable media firestorm that follows.
• Armstrong: “Do you think he's trolling? Just trolling.” (19:48)
• Getty speculates whether such remarks are meant to provoke media overreaction or to make a meta-point about First Amendment overreach.
• The hosts observe that Trump’s most vocal followers and even the more extreme 'fringe' right-wing audiences still show support for Israel, contrary to media expectations:
  • Armstrong: “...even those who listen to the white nationalist Nick Fuentes… his listeners support Israel by a one point margin” (22:19)
• They reflect on supporters tolerating certain views from media figures while disagreeing on others:
  • Getty: “People that listen to us that don’t agree with my Ukraine stance… it’d be weird if you agreed with us 100% of the time…” (22:51)

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4. Social Media, Travel Dysmorphia, and Experiences as Status

Timestamps: 28:02 – 36:49

• Getty introduces the concept of “travel dysmorphia”—the sense of inadequacy people feel when comparing their travel experiences to others, largely exacerbated by social media:
  • “Nearly 7 in 10 Americans suffer from travel dysmorphia, the feeling that they haven't seen enough of the world compared to other people.” (28:02)
• They discuss the explosion of travel among younger generations, and how it has become a social status marker.
• Armstrong: “There's cachet in being...having gone to the cool places. But among folks like that, there's cachet for having gone to the cool restaurant.” (31:02)
• They dissect the difference between experiences and material goods as status items, and the paradox of non-materialistic youth valuing expensive travel over possessions.
• Social media’s role in triggering inadequacy is highlighted:
  • Getty: “Over a third cite friends and family's travel posts as triggers for their feeling bad about how much they've traveled.” (30:11)
• Both agree that they don’t personally care if others have traveled more:
  • Getty: “I am not impressed that you have been. So it works both directions. I guess you've just decided to make that. You know, you've emphasized that and I haven't. Doesn't bother me.” (29:51)

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5. Media Bubbles and Ideological Blindness

Timestamps: 43:37 – 48:58

• Armstrong summarizes columns criticizing the gaslighting around political violence and ideological media bubbles, using the example of odd commentaries by Eric Swalwell and Dave Min:
  • Armstrong: “Eric Swalwell is a moral wretch reprobate.” (44:34)
  • David Min and Laurence Tribe assumed, absent evidence, that Charlie Kirk’s killer was “ultra MAGA,” which Armstrong lambasts as a demonstration of the dangers of “ideological bubbles.”
  • Armstrong: “These people actually thought that.” (48:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Armstrong (on why “both sides” rhetoric falls flat):

  “The fact of the matter is the both sides argument not only doesn't fly. We don't care. We don't care about your both sides argument. That is dead.” (04:17)

• On campus safety for conservatives:

  “A conservative has to be afraid for their safety... there’s not a single progressive speaking on college campuses that has to be concerned about their safety. I mean, that's all you have to know.” (09:36)

• Armstrong (on political violence escalation):

  “You either decry political violence or you don’t, and a hell of a lot of people on the left don’t.” (05:19)

• Eliana Johnson via Armstrong:

  “Cheering the murder of our political opponents has long been outside the bounds of acceptable political discourse.” (11:57)

• Getty (mocking travel as a status symbol):

  “Because everybody's been to Paris... but you throw out one they haven't been to. Super cool for you, I guess... Instant status.” (30:28)

• Armstrong’s practical take on travel envy:

  “It's just never been a social currency for me. ... That large number of young people who feel like... ashamed that they haven’t been to Prague? Nobody.” (35:09)

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Segment Timestamps

| Topic | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------|------------------| | “Both Sides” Discourse & Political Violence | 03:23 – 10:38 | | Firing Over Political Violence Celebration | 11:04 – 14:12 | | Trump, Hate Speech, Media Reaction | 18:40 – 23:30 | | Travel Dysmorphia & Social Currency | 28:02 – 36:49 | | Media Bubbles & Ideological Blindness | 43:37 – 48:58 |

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, irreverent, occasionally blunt: The hosts frequently speak candidly about hypocrisy, offering satirical takes and impressions.
• Mix of analysis and real-life observation: They blend current events analysis with everyday social commentary.
• Wry humor: Biting jokes about political figures (e.g., “Eric Swalwell is a moral wretch reprobate,” “I just want my Baconator meal” when discussing news coverage absurdities).
• Emphasis on critical thinking: They challenge the audience to see through ideological blinders.

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Recap for New Listeners

For those who haven't listened:
This episode is an incisive, wide-ranging critique of ideological rigidity and echo chambers—especially as they appear in media, academia, and social culture. Armstrong and Getty explore the real impacts of refusing to call out violence, the effects of social and media bubbles on perception and discourse, and even how travel has become a competitive marker among Americans. The pair’s banter underscores the ways public narratives get shaped—and distorted—by insular thinking while reminding listeners to keep a healthy skepticism and sense of humor.

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End of Summary

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[Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong and Gettys.

[Armstrong]

They didn't say when he changed.

[Asma Khalid]

I'm just saying we need more information. Before you work at a dinner before you.

[Armstrong]

We don't need more information.

[Asma Khalid]

Really?

[Armstrong]

Yes, we don't need it. What is interesting here is, is why is only this happening on the left and not the right? That's all we need to know. There's absolutely no what about Melissa Hartman that we just want to talk about. Melissa Horstman. Did you know her name before it happened? None of us did. None of us were spending every single day talking about Mrs. Hortman. I never heard of her until after she died. Don't play that bull with me. You know what I'm talking. What I'm saying is there was no demonization amplification about that woman before she died. It was a specific crime by somebody who knew her the same. Now, you could bring up Josh Shapiro, but then you will not bring up, for example, that that was a pro Palestine person. So don't use your. What about this.

[Joe Getty]

The fact.

[Armstrong]

The fact of the matter is the both sides argument not only doesn't fly. We don't care. We don't care about your both sides argument. That is dead.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I recognize the voice of Greg Gutfeld. What show was that on?

[Armstrong]

That's on the Five. Jessica Tarloff, the poor beleaguered toke lefty that Fox, God bless them, has on every show somebody representing a left or center left point of view for discussion purposes. Yeah, yeah, Greg, who knew? Oh, she was. And Greg later apologized for going off on her because she'd been off for a week and hadn't been part of the discussions. But anyway, the idea that we have a both sides problem is true enough, but the absolute acceptance of political violence in general on the left, particularly the young left, is an enormous problem. It's a terrible problem. And I don't just include murders in that because, you know, every arson, property damage, assault, chucking rocks at cops, they're all, you know, a step along that road or down that slope, particularly when you get a maladjusted geek who takes all that talk seriously. So you either decry political violence or you don't and a hell of a lot of people on the left don't. Having said that, one of the more interesting aspects of this to me going forward. Michael, I'm sorry, I meant to tell you what clips we needed. Oh, there it is. 34. This is Alexandria Hoff.

[Asma Khalid]

White House senior adviser Stephen Miller says the administration is now working to combat what it sees as the promotion of violence by left wing organizations.

[Armstrong]

We are going to channel all of.

[Joe Getty]

The anger that we have over the organized campaign that led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks.

[Asma Khalid]

While others have highlighted that recent political violence has not come from a single side.

[Armstrong]

President Trump said today he's been speaking.

[Asma Khalid]

To Attorney General Pam Bondi about potential racketeering charges for groups the administration feels are fueling violence.

[Joe Getty]

We have some pretty radical groups and.

[Armstrong]

They got away with murder. These aren't protests, these are crimes, what they're doing. And for what it's worth, ABC was reporting that Pam Bondi, the attorney general, says that they will be going after, quote, unquote, all radicals. She likes to throw red meat to the crowd, sometimes in ways that are just not useful, not helpful. But the idea of, and I'm thinking specifically this is one of my many, many jihads of the night after night after night violence in Portland, both back in the George Floyd days and recently over immigration stuff. And you're like, wait a minute, there's, there's violence every night in Portland. Yeah. Nobody reports on it, but there's terrific levels of violence. And you remember. That's right. Night after night. Do you remember back in the day when the question was who is buying the pallets of bricks.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Armstrong]

That make it to every George quote, unquote, George Floyd. It was just an overthrowing Western civilization protest. But anyway, who's buying the bricks? Who ships them? Who is bringing them to the distribution point? The idea being, if you are an organization that finances and organizes crimes and everything we've mentioned so far is a crime, several of them federal crimes, you're racketeering, you're running a criminal enterprise. And so if George Soros, for instance, and one of the many left, left foundations is knowingly funneling money to organizations that commit crimes, can they be prosecuted under RICO statutes? I think the answer is clearly yes. The Biden administration had no interest in it. Right wing organizations too, Joe? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 100%.

[Joe Getty]

So I'm pretty comfortable with the stance of all political violence is awful and it'll lead us to ruin.

[Armstrong]

Sure.

[Joe Getty]

So that makes it pretty easy. The, the Fact that conservatives couldn't speak on college campuses for the past couple of decades because it would get violent if they did. So they would either get. The administrators would decide to disinvite them.

[Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Or, or, or because the threat of the people on their side, the college kids would be too violent and they would get out of hand.

[Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Or they'd make you, you know, supply your own security and you couldn't afford to show up to the college campus to speak.

[Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Or you actually had to fight your way out like the swimmer girl. Gaines.

[Armstrong]

Riley Gaines. Yeah, Riley Gaines. Berkeley Heckler's veto made the speech impossible to deliver and you just threw up your hands and left.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, that's clearly a very one sided thing.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, 100%. I heard it said the other day that if you're going to go to be openly an advocate for your point of view on a college campus, a conservative has to be afraid for their safety. There's not a single progressive speaking on college campuses that has to be concerned about their safety. I mean, that's all you have to know.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Armstrong]

So that's why Greg was going off. Greg Gutfeld on her Ms. Tarloff's both side isms. So again, you know, political violence from the right is loathsome. Well, I'm trying to nibble this through.

[Joe Getty]

In my head like the, the Minnesota lawmakers who were killed. That keeps getting listed with the political violence we've had in the last year. That's obviously political violence because they were politicians.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, but it is different on the.

[Joe Getty]

Level of, you know, there wasn't a nationwide campaign to convince anybody they were Nazis.

[Armstrong]

Right. Right.

[Joe Getty]

Hmm. I'll have to think that through. Do you.

[Armstrong]

Excuse me. Had a sneeze coming on.

[Joe Getty]

Do you have Covid?

[Armstrong]

I may. I don't know. I feel great.

[Joe Getty]

I'll bet I've got Covid right now.

[Armstrong]

Really? Get away from me. If I had to bet, that's too.

[Joe Getty]

I've had a lingering kind of half a cold that doesn't seem like anything normal. I'll bet it's low symptomatic Covid.

[Armstrong]

My wonder. Last time I went to the doctor with my upper respiratory infection thing, he didn't even mention the word. I know.

[Joe Getty]

When I had whooping cough, they didn't even check me.

[Armstrong]

Yeah. Anyway, back to the. The violence and the rest of it. I just came across a great editorial. I don't know, we talked about this a fair amount, but. About the firings of people celebrating the, the murder of Charlie Kirk and Eliana Johnson, whose Work I didn't know previously. The headline in her opinion piece is Fire them all. Axing those who celebrate the murder of an innocent man is not Cancel Culture. And her differentiation is Cancel Culture aimed to establish new norms of speech and debate. Like the notion that publishing an op ed arguing for a mainstream policy was inappropriate because it put employees of the New York Times in physical danger. Cheering the murder of our political opponents has long been outside the bounds of acceptable political discourse.

[Joe Getty]

That's a good point. And you're just a nut who wants to work with somebody who cheers murders.

[Armstrong]

UCLA's Director of Race and Equity, Jonathan Perkins, wrote on Blue sky that it is okay to be happy about Kirk's death. Good riddance.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, he's a. What? What is he?

[Armstrong]

UCLA's Director of Race and Equity.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, he's not a professor, so I don't even know what a director of Race and Equity would be. I don't know what your background would be.

[Armstrong]

Well, he's. It's worth pointing out once again, he is the guy, like that Microsoft jerk off we played yesterday and earlier today who were in charge of DEI programs. How many people. And now they've lost their jobs and they act like that's some sort of horror. How many people did get jobs or lost jobs because they would not genuflect to the far left DEI mantra?

[Joe Getty]

Okay, I need you to play the role of this guy.

[Armstrong]

Okay?

[Joe Getty]

Guy from ucla.

[Armstrong]

Got it.

[Joe Getty]

Because this is what I would say to him. And I don't know, how can I.

[Armstrong]

Use a funny accent so somebody doesn't like. The New York Times took Charlie Kirk out of context and said he was anti Semitic when he was refuting an anti Semitic statement that he read so people would know what he was refuting. I would hate for that to happen.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you're about to say things that they would agree with, so nobody's going.

[Armstrong]

I just don't want any conservatives to think I've gone to the dark side. But anyway, go ahead. I will. I will portray Mr. Jonathan Perkins of UCLA.

[Joe Getty]

Well, so you just tweeted, jonathan, good riddance to Charlie Kirk, and it's okay.

[Armstrong]

To be happy about his death. Yes, I did.

[Joe Getty]

But won't that lead to people on the other side killing people on your side, and then there'll just be a tit for tat back and forth with deaths.

[Armstrong]

Well, that's different, because people on my side don't spread hate and division and transphobia and homophobia. They're just trying to bring justice and equity. It's the difference between killing somebody for being evil and killing them for being good. He might not use those words exactly, but that's his point of view.

[Joe Getty]

That's nuts.

[Armstrong]

Oh, I know. That's me. That's what I believe. And you could say, well, okay, all right, all right. But you're not seeing my practical point. People on the right don't see it that way. So they will kill your guys and then you'll kill their guys. Then they'll kill more of your guys and you're gonna have a lot of dead people. So that's the problem with political violence. And he would just look at you. To quote Don Henley, like a cow at a passing train.

[Joe Getty]

What is travel dysmorphia? Many Americans have it. Oh, I know, I just came across.

[Armstrong]

Give generously.

[Joe Getty]

We'Ll talk about that. It's not. It's stupid, so don't worry about it. Stay tuned.

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7 in 10Americans suffer from travel dysmorphia, a term I just learned. We'll talk about that coming up.

[Armstrong]

Oh my goodness. I. I'm sorry to hear that. So Trump just said something that's gonna make the world go crazy. Not the world, the U.S. all right. Oh boy.

[Joe Getty]

Do I want to know or no? No.

[Armstrong]

Okay, go ahead and play it, Michael. Pam Bondi saying she's going to go after hate speech. Is that.

[Asma Khalid]

I mean, a lot of people, a.

[Armstrong]

Lot of your allies say hate speech is free speech. Should probably go after people like you because you treat me so unfairly and say you have a lot of hate in your heart.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe they'll come after ABC. Well, ABC paid me $16 million recently.

[Armstrong]

For a form of hate speech right.

[Joe Getty]

Your company paid me $16 million for.

[Armstrong]

A form of hate speech. So maybe they'll have to go.

[Joe Getty]

So obviously saying to John Carl of ABC News, the Attorney General should be going after you for hate speech. I mean, she's not going to. He's not going to tell her to, but he, he knows the reaction that's going to get.

[Armstrong]

So. Do you think he's trolling? Just trolling.

[Joe Getty]

It might be for the. Israel going into Gaza.

[Armstrong]

I just.

[Joe Getty]

This will dominate. This will be the story on all the cable news channels all day long.

[Armstrong]

Look, Trump is Trump. I should be used to it. But there are things you don't joke about. I don't joke about murdering and dismembering my wife.

[Joe Getty]

It'd be a heck of a joke.

[Armstrong]

No, the chief executive doesn't joke about. I'm gonna go after you for your speech because I think it's hate speech. Unless it's all a clever double reverse to illustrate that going after, quote, unquote, hate speech is utterly outside the First Amendment.

[Joe Getty]

No, not that one. I don't know. He knew what he. He knows how people react, but I don't know if it's just your run of the mill. He likes making people jump to his comments. He just gets a kick out of it when he see, I think when he flips on a cable news show and he sees them spending a half hour discussing. Trump said he may stay for a third term.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I think he just likes people jumping. This one might be more thought out than that. It might be. All right. This Israel thing's gonna get. It's gonna be the story. I don't know that it is. You don't think it is?

[Armstrong]

No, no, I really don't. And you know what's even more interesting than that?

[Joe Getty]

And I think some stories are gonna start coming out of there today and tomorrow that are gonna be catnip for the mainstream media.

[Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, that. That is absolutely true. I just don't know that it lands. I just came across.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I agree with that. I agree with that.

[Armstrong]

Yeah. I just think they're talking to each other in a fairly narrow band of.

[Joe Getty]

College kids, but other than that, most people are not that worried about Israel doing whatever they got to do.

[Armstrong]

No, I just. I wish I could find it real quickly. There's a big poll that was just done and, oh, I wish I had the numbers in front of me. It was a large plurality. There it is. Let's see. Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. There it is. 1000 young conservatives and Trump voters were surveyed and an overwhelming majority have a positive view of Israel and support Trump's handling of US Israel relationships. 50, including 54% of Tucker Carlson's listeners.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Armstrong]

58% of Candace Owens listeners. Wow. And even those who listen to the white nationalist Nick Fuentes, who's described Israel as the Antichrist and accused the Jewish state of staging October 7th, his listeners support Israel by a one point margin.

[Joe Getty]

So those you listen to Candace Tucker and Nick Fuentes, you just like, you just don't agree with them on that topic. You like their other stuff. It must be that must be something like people that listen to us that don't agree with my Ukraine stance.

[Armstrong]

Right, right. You know, in Tucker, back when he was the old Tucker and not the unhinged, what the hell would be fascist Tucker or however you want to describe him. I mean, I didn't agree with him 100% of the time. People always say to us, you know, I don't agree with you guys 100% of the time, but blah, blah, blah. And I'll often say, well, it'd be weird if you agreed with us 100%.

[Joe Getty]

Of the time and it would be.

[Armstrong]

But there are some disagreements that are disqualifying.

[Joe Getty]

That's interesting.

[Armstrong]

And I guess to even like Nick Fuentes list or whatever or Candace being an anti Semite is not disqualifying for them. But they don't agree.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, I got to pay off the gender. Not gender dysmorphia, that's a different thing. Travel dysmorphia, among other things. On the way that we'll get to. Why did Trump say that? Oh my God.

[Armstrong]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow is now sidelined because of an injury. He went down, of course during the game against the Jacksonville Jaguars.

[Armstrong]

Suffered a sprain to his left big.

[Joe Getty]

Toe, an injury often called turf toe.

[Armstrong]

He will need surgery.

[Joe Getty]

He could be out at least three months. I don't understand the of course in that. But that aside, I missed it. David said, Jerry, he got hurt. Of course. What do you mean of course?

[Armstrong]

Anyway, that is odd. Cute little Joe Burrow.

[Joe Getty]

He was the odds on favorite to be league MVP this year.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And he's out for half the season. So that's a big NFL story right there.

[Armstrong]

Too bad he was featured prominently on that Netflix documentary I enjoyed so much. Quarterback. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Did you come away liking him?

[Armstrong]

It certainly impressed by him.

[Joe Getty]

Nearly 7 in 10Americans suffer from travel dysmorphia, the feeling that they haven't seen enough of the world compared to other people. And this is a big survey that gets deeper into a lot of these numbers. Now I. I only have anecdotal. Anecdotal evidence from my own socioecon economic bubble that I live in. And maybe it's distorted. Almost certainly is like everybody's bubbles distorted to a certain extent. But just seems like so many people have done so much more traveling than used to be true of the world.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And how that fits in with. I mean every young person I know has seen more of the world than I have agreed. And how that fits in with the. Can't afford rent, can't afford to buy a house, can't afford to have a car. Maybe if you hadn't been to, you know, all these different countries that I haven't been to, you could. I mean, I just. That's often my thought.

[Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah. Interesting question.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. All three of my nieces have traveled more than I have. I was about to say socioeconomic bubble. But these are people from Kansas like me. They've all traveled the world more than I have. And part of it is because I don't have that much interest in travel. So I'm on the other side of it. But it seems to be just from what I take very important to the younger crowd and maybe, maybe you two as the older crowd. I don't know.

[Armstrong]

I was going to bring that up just sociologically as a status symbol. It's very, very important.

[Joe Getty]

Seems to be. Yeah.

[Armstrong]

In a way that it never was before.

[Joe Getty]

And I. I don't exactly have travel dysmorphia. The feeling that they haven't seen as much of the world as others. I don't think I have. But I also don't Care. It does not. It does not hurt my feelings that you've been to more places than me.

[Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

I am. I am. I am. And I am not impressed that you have been. So it works both directions. I guess you've just decided to make that. You know, you've emphasized that and I haven't. Doesn't bother me. Social media appears to be a key driver of that. Over a third cite friends and family's travel posts as triggers for their feeling bad about how much they've traveled.

[Armstrong]

Sure. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And another third say travel conversations with peers heightens feelings of inadequacy. So that gets into the social status thing. And I know I have been in groups where it. Clearly it's going around the table and somebody has got to throw out a place that they've been that other people haven't been.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And then that time, the king of the hill then. Because I've been to this place and you haven't.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Because everybody's been to Paris and London are the usual stuff, but you throw out one they haven't been to. Super cool for you, I guess.

[Armstrong]

Instant status. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

For some reason, I'm not exactly sure what it is.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Because isn't it basically just, I decided to spend some thousands of dollars on this, isn't it? What's the difference between that and I've got a cool car or a nicer bedroom set or whatever. I just decided to spend my money on this and you didn't.

[Armstrong]

Yeah. Yeah. There's just cachet in being. Of having gone to the cool places. But among folks like that, there's cachet for. For having gone to the cool restaurant.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Armstrong]

Or, you know, we've all. We. It's funny, it was one of those formative moments for both of us when a. What the hell's the name of the donut shop? The Krispy Kreme. The first Krispy Kreme opened in California or whatever it was, and people lined up around the block for days to get a decent enough donut, but it's fine.

[Joe Getty]

But.

[Armstrong]

So they could say they had gone.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's true. So you either have that or you don't. You have that thing.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, I got plenty of flaws. I just. I don't quite get that one. I like to travel, you know, and I kind of like laying on a beach half drunk, frankly, but. But most of the travel I do. It's like being on a field trip as a kid. Like when I was in London, it was all about observing it, learning, studying it, thinking about the Differences and similarities in culture, observing their immigration problems. The rest of it, I just find that super interesting when I go somewhere I haven't been before. It's like a new book to me. Like a really interesting book. So I really dig that. But I don't particularly care who knows where I've gone and where I haven't.

[Joe Getty]

The thing about waiting in line for donut or the restaurant or whatever. Sarah Live had a good thing on that last year about big dumb line.

[Armstrong]

Oh, yeah?

[Joe Getty]

What are you waiting in the big dumb line for? I don't know. But there's a line and I have to get there so that I can tell people I've been there.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Whatever it is. But my. One of my favorite parts about this, getting into the. More of the details of the travel dysmorphia. And maybe you have it, maybe you don't. I certainly get a sense that a lot of people do have the I haven't seen as much as the world and it bothers me thing. More than a quarter of gen zers and millennials admit that they're embarrassed about their travel experience and don't like to admit it to people.

[Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Only 10.

[Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

I know. I just doesn't bother me a bit. But for whatever version, only 10% of Americans feel they've achieved all their travel goals. Okay. Seems like it'd be kind of weird if most people had. I don't know. But here are your common obstacles to achieving all your travel goals. Number one, cost.

[Armstrong]

This isn't time and money. What are we doing here?

[Joe Getty]

Right. So number common obstacles.

[Armstrong]

The cost. Wow. Interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Two thirds site cost. 20% work commitments. So that'd be the time.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So most of the people, it's. See, I don't have the time or the money. Otherwise I go to Bali.

[Armstrong]

Yeah. Or Bali.

[Joe Getty]

Or how you pronounce it. Logistical fatigue is 18%. I kind of have that. There aren't. There's hardly any place on earth at this point worth the schlep to me.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. I gotta get a ride to the airport and there's gonna be a line, so. Nah.

[Armstrong]

I can afford it.

[Joe Getty]

I just don't want to. But I specifically thought it was pretty interesting, the social media aspect, because we've been talking a lot about social media and the harms that it does. Seeing other people's posts makes you feel bad about it.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, it's just. It's never been a social currency for me. It. I'm aware of it among my peers who like to travel and they talk about where they've gone and you think, wow, that's cool. I wish I had the time and the money. But that large number of young people who feel like. I mean, who in their 20s, back in the day was, like, ashamed that they hadn't been to Prague?

[Joe Getty]

Nobody. Nobody.

[Armstrong]

Right, right.

[Joe Getty]

A third of a third of Americans have never been out of the country. And so only a third.

[Armstrong]

What Was that figure 25 years ago?

[Joe Getty]

That's what I was wondering. That's what I was wondering, like, when I was in college. And this is western Kansas, so it's different socioeconomic bubble again. But this is many years ago. Well, God, the vast, vast majority had never been out of the country, I guaranteed.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And that's just not true anymore. Among young people. I'd like to know that number broken down by age, too. When did it. When and why did it become social currency? I'm not exactly sure.

[Armstrong]

And why is it not the gram?

[Joe Getty]

And why is it not treated as the same way that, like, having a cool car or a big diamond ring is seen as boasting to a certain extent or especially young. Among young people, they're not materialistic, but they don't consider traveling, which is all about time and money, as materialistic. That's kind of interesting.

[Armstrong]

Experiences are definitely seen differently than consumer goods. Other consumer goods. How should we phrase it?

[Joe Getty]

If you portray it that way.

[Armstrong]

Material goods.

[Joe Getty]

If you mature, if you portray it that way. I admire it because I do think experiences are better than having a nicer car.

[Armstrong]

Absolutely.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. No, no comparison.

[Armstrong]

Yeah. Of course I have a really nice car.

[Joe Getty]

You know, the only thing that can make me feel bad on social media if I'm going to be completely honest like that I can have, like, your sunset. Some island I've never heard of. Means nothing to me. I don't care about your house. The bigger the house, the more I think, God, I'd hate to have to clean that. What are your air conditioner bills? So I don't care about that.

[Armstrong]

I am a butler. I don't clean it.

[Joe Getty]

Happy families that are together, that one. That one bigger, the bigger. The group of happy family you have together, that's the one that lands with me. But all that other stuff I don't freaking care about at all.

[Armstrong]

Well, the only thing I think you can do is hire actors to portray some clan gathering at your home.

[Joe Getty]

That's a funny idea. I get people that look somewhat like me, I guess. As long as you're white and.

[Armstrong]

No, no, no, no. It's got to look like a Benetton ad. You got to have diversity in there.

[Joe Getty]

And get a picture. And this is all the cousins and aunts and uncles and my five kids.

[Armstrong]

Another family reunion. Be funny.

[Joe Getty]

All right? Any thoughts that? Text line 415295 KFTC.

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[Armstrong]

I just want the order that I came here with with a whole mess of baconing. Who you came, how you got here. You walk from where?

[Joe Getty]

You want to give me a fist.

[Armstrong]

Bump for waiting 15 minutes? Where you from? You not from around here?

[Getty]

I'm from California.

[Joe Getty]

They better give your food.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, that's right.

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[Armstrong]

I just want my Baconator meal.

[Joe Getty]

That's all I care about.

[Armstrong]

What are you doing? Baconator meal. All right.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, let's go. Let's go. What is that, Katie?

[Armstrong]

That is a very, very drunk woman.

[Getty]

Trying to order a Wendy's Baconator at a Popeyes.

[Armstrong]

Wow, a twist on me. Ma', am. This is a Wendy's, Stan.

[Getty]

And the reason it's on film is because she walked. Walked through the drive through to do so.

[Joe Getty]

I don't understand why being drunk on foot in the drive through is against the law.

[Armstrong]

Because it's a drive through.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I get that, but it's private. I thought this was America, but can't you just say. Could you just come in?

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

This is supposed to call him the cops.

[Armstrong]

Not safe to have you walking. Can you come inside, please?

[Getty]

Yeah, I think she was a little beyond the point of understanding anything.

[Joe Getty]

Now the problem, the problem of ordering a Baconator at a. At a Popeyes, that's a problem.

[Armstrong]

Surely negotiations can ensue and unavailing can be reached. This is the flip side, ma', am.

[Getty]

This is not a Wendy's.

[Joe Getty]

Would you like a McFlurry with it? How about I give you a baconator with a McFlurry and a grand slam? And what else can I get you?

[Getty]

And a 10 piece chicken from KFC.

[Armstrong]

Exactly. Wow. Okay. Drink in moderation, folks. So it's interesting. I've been reading a bunch of different columnist thoughts on people getting fired for saying that they're happy Charlie Kirk has died. And Jeff Blair, who writes for National Review, very moderate guy, very measured, not at all Trumpy, et cetera. He has some strong thoughts on it, but a couple of things I want to hit very briefly. He's talking about the incredible gaslighting of it's not clear what the motive is and blah, blah, blah. He said people who publicly celebrated and thought he was a right winger. But I can't understand any of this. After Tyler Robinson was caught on Friday morning, he says at that point, mere ignorance and wishcasting turned into an active disinformation campaign. And it was particularly appalling to see from people whose civic responsibility responsibility it is to know better. Take one example. How about the repellent Eric Swalwell? On Friday afternoon, in an audaciously sleazy bit of partial storytelling, the California congressman tweeted, and I quote, it doesn't matter that Kirk's killer was a straight white male or that he was from a Republican family that voted for Donald Trump. Violence has never been the answer. And as Jeff writes.

[Getty]

What.

[Joe Getty]

What does that even mean?

[Armstrong]

If he thought this was a cute joke, he's a moral reprobate. If he thought it was an effective deceit, he's also a moral reprobate. I think it is thus fair to conclude that he's a moral reprobate.

[Joe Getty]

What was his. What point was he even trying to make?

[Armstrong]

Just saying the murderer was a straight white Republican male who voted for Donald Trump. That's the killers these days. All right, yeah, I know, I know.

[Joe Getty]

So they don't attach the politics of the killer, they attach the politics of the relatives.

[Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, that's a weird way to do it.

[Armstrong]

Eric Swalwell is a moral wretch reprobate.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. As a lot of politicians are because they've figured out the algorithm for raising money and staying in office.

[Armstrong]

But at least he's not senile like poor Joe Biden. Headline. Come on. Joe Biden is struggling to cash in on his presidency.

[Joe Getty]

I don't doubt that. Nobody's going to pay him to give a speech.

[Armstrong]

He's 82 years old and is charting a post presidency. That's less lucrative than what he'd expected. Options for big jobs are limited by his advanced age, his unpopularity in Democratic.

[Joe Getty]

Circles and companies, the fact that he can't talk.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. Instead of private jets, he's been spotted with a book on his lap in the first class cabin of American Airlines flights. Or talking aboard Amtrak's quiet car, which is a very Joe Biden thing to do.

[Joe Getty]

Well, remember my guy's great white Mark.

[Armstrong]

Halpern, My train been on time.

[Joe Getty]

Mark Halperin wrote, remember at one point that one of the untold stories is how broke the Bidens are. Remember he, he broke, he broke that story. Look, they're seriously broke. They've been living a very expensive lifestyle for a very long time and the money has dried up.

[Armstrong]

Not a joke. Yeah. Paid speaking appearances can range from 300 to $500,000. People briefed on the matter said takers are limited and at least one organization tried to negotiate below that range.

[Joe Getty]

Half a million dollars. To hear to have Joe Biden there. I mean, it's not to hear them talk, it's to have them at your event because it makes your event seem cool.

[Armstrong]

Right? But yeah.

[Joe Getty]

What make seem cool by being there.

[Armstrong]

Let's see. Confided. Confided. He intended to pay off around 800,000 in personal debt he'd accumulated, including through loans on a his Rehoboth beach house.

[Joe Getty]

The Mustang is. Or his Corvette. Corvette needs an oil change.

[Armstrong]

Let's see. Man, they're hit by a 20% increase in the property taxes on the beach home this year. True international depression. You got to get Prop 13 style tax reform. You can't have people's property bills rising like that. I sympathize. On top of bills for hunting Hunter Biden's legal woes, Biden also wanted to help his daughter Ashley, who filed for divorce last month and wants to leave money for his grandchildren. He got a roughly $10 million book deal. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. Well, he can't be in too bad a shape, can he?

[Armstrong]

Well, right.

[Joe Getty]

Although you have a whole bunch of houses and a bunch of accumulated debt. He's got a through a lot of money.

[Armstrong]

A total of government pensions of probably $416,000 a year. All right. How broke can he be?

[Joe Getty]

I'm, I'm no longer concerned.

[Armstrong]

There's a hole in the show and you know, it's time to go. It's time for final thoughts.

[Joe Getty]

On your feet. Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Armstrong]

Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap things up for the day, Michelangelo, our technical director, will lead us off. Michael? Yeah.

[Getty]

When I brushed my teeth, I've got to get better at spitting in the sink. I guess I'm leaving a lot of toothpaste around the. The edge my wife got really upset about. So I got to scrub it all off today. I know.

[Armstrong]

Wow. It's one of my bad habits. Wow. You're a monster. You're an animal. Katie Green, our esteemed newswoman, has a final thought.

[Getty]

Katie, I was thinking about what I am jealous of when I'm online scrolling and it's people that are surrounded by like hundreds of dogs.

[Joe Getty]

I want to do that.

[Armstrong]

That Jack, final thought for us.

[Joe Getty]

Hollywood legend and very old. The Robert Redford died and I liked some of his movies from way back in the day. I haven't seen him since I was a kid, actually. But you know what I always liked about him? As one of the most handsome men who ever lived. It doesn't appear he got any surgery at all. He just aged. Yeah, he just looked like an old man and allowed it to happen. Good for him.

[Armstrong]

Stayed married to his wife too, didn't he? I think so, yeah. My final thought, another California congressman, Dave Min, tweeted on Saturday. Or Blue sky, whatever. Now that the Charlie Kirk assassin has been identified as maga, I'm sure Trump Musk and all the insane GOP politicians who call for retribution against the radical left will now shift their focus to the radical right. Lawrence Tribe, legal scholar at Harvard, tweeted over the weekend, the killer seems to have been ultra maga. Beware ideological media bubbles. These people actually thought that.

[Joe Getty]

Robert Redford was married from 58 to 85, then didn't get married again until 2009. But he was still with that woman all right. A few years ago. There you go. There's your.

[Armstrong]

Here.

[Joe Getty]

Robert Redford's marriage list. Armstrong and Yeti wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Armstrong]

So many people. Thanks. A little time. Go to armstrong yeti.com for the hot links. Pick up some swag, drop us a note.

[Joe Getty]

See you tomorrow. God bless America.

[Armstrong]

Just a little advice when you engage country. Goodbye Fluffy. Goodbye. If a gator got your tiny dog.

[Joe Getty]

Goodbye Fluffy.

[Armstrong]

Goodbye a gator gobble Lil Foo Foo, be like Jack, go to the pound, get another hound. Goodbye Fluffy. Goodbye Armstrong.

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