If My Socks Slide Down, I Won't Show My Genitals To The World

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: If My Socks Slide Down, I Won't Show My Genitals To The World
Date: February 18, 2026
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts - Armstrong & Getty On Demand

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into two main themes:

1. The decay and evolution of media, news coverage, and public debate in America — especially around serious topics like the U.S. potentially going to war with Iran.
2. A deep-dive into the landmark social media addiction trial, with Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg on the stand, and broader questions about technology’s effects, personal responsibility, and how online platforms are engineered for compulsion (especially in kids).

There’s the usual Armstrong & Getty comedic banter throughout, reflections on parenting, personal anecdotes, and discussion of current events.

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Key Discussion Points

Saggy Pants, Quitting Socks, and TMI (02:23–03:11)

• Opening Banter: Jack Armstrong comments on forgetting his belt ("I'm gonna be pulling up my pants all day long like a rapper." [02:23]), which leads to a humorous exchange about what’s worse: "saggy pants or quitter socks."
  • Memorable moment: "Well, if my socks slide down, I’m not going to show my genitals to the world." – Jack [02:46]

How News Has Changed: War with Iran and Media Coverage (03:11–06:55)

• Media Criticism:
  • Joe Getty laments that serious, world-changing news (like a possible war with Iran) receives scant coverage, while fluff stories dominate:
    "Endless coverage about winter snowstorms and a missing woman and all kinds of stuff that has zero really relevance to the future of the world or you." – Jack [04:25]
  • Contrast with the pre-Iraq War era — then, media was full of debate. Now, apathy and lack of real-life debate are the norm.
• Why the Shift?
  • Network news divisions used to be "a basic of operating" — not profit centers. Now, everything is profit-driven.
  • Serious outlets like NPR and PBS are “utterly captured by the progressive left," according to Joe Getty [06:50].

Social Media Addiction, Parenting & Public Trials (06:55–16:00, 25:10–40:09)

• Mark Zuckerberg’s Social Media Addiction Trial:
  • Zuckerberg takes the stand amid over 2,000 lawsuits. The trial centers on defining addiction, company responsibility, and the impact of product design on mental health.
  • Key question: Where do we draw the line between loving a product and actual addiction? Can companies design products to maximize compulsion?
• Parenting & Technology:
  • Anecdotes about pot use in parenting circles ("The amount of moms defending smoking pot while pregnant is unbelievable." – Kat [09:08]), and parenting in the era of vaping ("Looks like a USB drive... no smell... flavored like candy to make it more palatable for the kids." – Jack [10:33])
  • The challenges of controlling teens’ screen time and substance use when products are designed to bypass parental oversight.
• Personal Responsibility vs. Corporate Culpability:
  • Legal roots of the trial: A plaintiff’s (Kaylee, now 20) mom argues social media caused or worsened her daughter’s depression and “addicted” her as early as age six.
  • Evidence from internal emails:
    • "Oh my gosh, y'all. IG is a drug. Lol. I mean, all social media, we're basically pushers." – Internal Meta employee message [29:10]
    • Zuckerberg email: "If we tell teens' parents about their live videos, that will probably ruin the product from the start. We'll need to be very good about not notifying parents/teachers." [30:12]
  • Platform design questions (Autoplay, Infinite Scroll, dopamine loops, slot machine comparisons) and their role in user compulsion.
  • Jack on company defenses: "You made the candy delicious and she just couldn’t stop eating it because she’s freaking six. I don’t know what to say about that one." [33:02]
  • Joe’s take: “It’s a big fat both things are true scenario: terrible parenting and evil companies that know the damage they’re doing.” [39:47]
• Broader Reflection on Technology Use:
  • Discussion on how constant dopamine stimulation from devices may be leading to “emotional flattening.”
  • Jack notes: “We’re not designed to get dopamine hits 500 times a day. ... The normal dopamine hits that we used to get from nice stuff, probably like a puppy or a baby or a flower or a nice sunset ... doesn’t work anymore.” [35:32]

Lighter Moments and Social Commentary

• Olympic TMI:

  • Discussion of a Norwegian biathlete who confessed to cheating (on his girlfriend) live on TV. "It was an Olympic level TMI." – Joe [13:25]
  • Joke: "Here's another gold medal for TMI. Nobody has ever revealed so many things nobody else needed to know at a weird moment than you." – Jack [13:29]

• Parenting Extremes Anecdote:

  • Contrast between the super-cautious and ultra-casual parenting styles:
    "You got people that are so far over here...won’t drink tap water when they’re pregnant...and then the, you know, the drink and smoke pot crowd." – Jack [09:31]

• Mailbag & Listener Interaction (43:11 onwards):

  • Miscellaneous listener observations on current events, behavioral annoyances (slow sidewalk walkers), and humorous cultural tidbits.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Tech Addiction:
  • "Instagram is a drug. Lol. I mean, all social media, we’re basically pushers." – Internal Meta message [29:10]
  • “If we tell teens' parents about their live videos, that will probably ruin the product from the start. We'll need to be very good about not notifying parents/teachers." – Zuckerberg email [30:12]
  • "People are binging on Instagram so much, they can't feel the reward anymore." – Internal Meta memo [34:38]
  • "You're creating a product that you know could be used in a negative way and trying to hide that from parents. That ain't cool." – Jack [31:15]
• On Parenting Responsibility:
  • “You made the candy delicious and she just couldn't stop eating it because she's freaking six.” – Jack [33:02]
  • "It’s a big fat both things are true scenario: terrible parenting and evil companies that know the damage they’re doing." – Joe [39:47]
• Classic Armstrong & Getty Snark:
  • “If my socks slide down, I’m not going to show my genitals to the world.” – Jack [02:46]
  • "He should have gotten the gold medal for TMI." – Jack [13:29]
  • "We’re not designed to get dopamine hits 500 times a day." – Jack [35:32]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:23–03:11 – Opening humor: saggy pants, socks, and a genital joke
• 03:11–06:55 – News media evolution, war with Iran, decay in coverage
• 06:55–11:17; 25:10–40:09 – Social media addiction lawsuit, parent tech challenges, Zuckerberg trial
• 09:08–10:24 – Pot use in parental circles, vaping among teens
• 13:04–13:40 – Olympic TMI confession
• 35:32 – Effects of digital dopamine on human reward
• 39:47 – Both parents and companies bear blame for tech overuse/addiction
• 43:11 onward – Listener mailbag, cultural commentary

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Episode Tone & Style

Armstrong & Getty mix humor, sarcasm, and earnest cultural critique. The tone is conversational, irreverent, and frequently self-deprecating. While broaching serious societal dilemmas — like tech addiction, media decline, and threats of war — they remain accessible through banter, personal stories, and a skeptical look at both institutions and personal responsibility.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode exemplifies Armstrong & Getty’s sharp, comedic dissection of serious cultural and societal shifts. Through stories about saggy pants, Olympic TMI moments, and harried parents, they frame larger issues: the erosion of trustworthy, vital media coverage; the double-edged sword of personal vs. corporate responsibility in an age of addictive technology; and the challenges of parenting in a world where both substances and devices are easier to hide and harder to regulate. Their message: “It’s a big fat both things are true scenario: terrible parenting and evil companies that know the damage they’re doing.” [39:47] — and, as always, it’s all up for smart, funny debate.

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Armstrong and Getty. And now here I'm strong and Getty.

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I forgot to put my belt on this morning. I'm gonna be pulling up my pants all day long like a rapper.

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Mr. Saggy Pants.

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Yep, Mr. Saggy Pants.

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Take a look.

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Not a good look.

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It's not a good feeling.

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That's the worst part. I don't care about the look. It's just a bad feeling.

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What's worse, saggy pants or quitter socks? Just in terms of the vibe.

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Well, my socks slide down. I'm not going to show my genitals to the world. Like if my pants slide down by accident.

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Try to work in some boxers or something. Wow. That took a turn.

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Live from Studio C Senior, a dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound. And today we're toodling toiling under the.

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Title a couple of militaristic titles for you. War. What War Or Don't Drop a T Bomb.

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Intrigued by that. I don't want a T bomb. Is. Hi, Katie. How are you doing?

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Hi.

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I'm good.

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I also don't know what a T bomb is.

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Yeah. Cool. On the wimby.

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This was spawned by watching network news last night, which is really an exercise and wasted time, but no kidding, they reported that the murderous lunatic in the Northeast at the hockey game, they did not drop a T bomb. But at the end of the reports, they say Mr. Jones was also known as Roberta Simmons and then moved on.

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Right. Okay.

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Oh, wait, wait. That was weird at the end. Was that a woman's name? Oh, we're onto the snowstorm that's menacing the Northeast, so never mind. So they're.

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They feel like they need to reference it? Apparently, yeah. So. And then your other one. War. What? War news used to be a bunch of smart people, usually dudes smoking cigarettes back in the old days deciding what you should know. That was their job.

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Right.

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Now it's just what will they stay tuned to or tune into? Whether you should know it or not doesn't make any difference. I'm astounded at how hard it is to come up with any broadcast coverage about our march to war with Iran, endless coverage about winter snowstorms and a missing woman and all kinds of stuff that has zero really relevance to the future of the world or you. Right. But remember, we started on the air in San Francisco in 2003 because the Gulf War was coming and we're slated to go on anyway, but they moved it up because March of 2003, we're about to go to war. And the whole country was debating whether or not we should go to war. And it was a very hot topic. I mean, it came up in real life. I remember getting into conversations with it in real life with people.

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Sure.

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About whether we're going to go to war with Iraq. We're going to do the same thing now with a more powerful country, and nobody's talking about it. There's no news coverage about it. There's no debate about it. The most people aren't even aware it's going on.

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Right, right.

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Well, what, what's the difference? What am I missing? Is it. Is it. Times have changed. Is there something different here?

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My only question is, did Jeffrey Epstein have any ties to the Ayatollah? Did the Ayatollah's name show up in the file?

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Yes. If the, if the Ayatollah name was in the Epstein files, tangentially related, then it. Would it make the news? Iran. The Ayatollah is the leader of Iran, a country we're about to go to war with. In other news.

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Yeah, I, As a Both perpetrator of and consumer of media, I'm interested in the. This, this topic. A big part of it, as you know, is that back in the day having a very solid serious news operation was seen as well, like not showing your genitals. I mean, it was just a basic of operating network. You had to have a prestigious news division and they were not asked to make a profit at all. Nobody even thought about it. Those days are gone. Now everybody, every division of every company must make a profit. And it's a shame. So some genius decided, well, how about if we had the government subsidize something so it really didn't have to make a profit? And that would be the serious media outlet and npr, for instance, or pbs. They are serious news outlets, but they are utterly captured by the progressive left. So whoops on that one. But yeah, it's. It's a hole definitely in our media world.

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Zuckerberg's gonna be on the stand today in the social media trial. We'll take a look at a couple of the emails that have already leaked out that he's going to be forced to explain. I guess I find this incredibly interesting, trying to define what's addiction or not. Nobody's ever figured that out, and we never will. But you got to drive. Well, maybe someday we will, but you gotta draw the line somewhere. What's an. An addiction and what's just a. It's really. I really like it. It's hard to not do it.

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Right.

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Yeah. And that's one part of it. And then do businesses get to try to maximize. Maximize how much you like their product.

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And where is the line crossed?

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Sure.

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You know, it's funny, that reminds me of. There's a fair amount of coverage in a number of the big news outlets about how a lot of the world has turned on legalized marijuana. We're seeing psychosis levels for teens skyrocket.

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Scromming. There's scromming.

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The damage to lungs from pot use is now better. Understood. Certainly. It depends how you take it in, but. And the social media, like pot use, as a lover of liberty, it might come down to it's not taxes that don't keep me, that keep me from smoking cigarettes, for instance, or, you know, my parents disapproval or a hundred other things. It's that I know it'll kill me and I like being alive. And does it just need to be social pressure and awareness and certain people will fall through the cracks? That's the problem with paternalism. It tends to creep and creep and creep and creep, but at the same time, more judgment. More judgment. If you're on social media all the time, you're wasting your life and you're an idiot. More of that, more derision, less. That doesn't rhyme. It. It's got to rhyme. More derision, less regulation. But I'm close. I'll work on it.

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Did you have a comment, Kat?

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Oh, no, just the thought on pot use. I'm in a bunch of mom groups on various social networks. The amount of moms defending smoking pot.

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While pregnant is unbelievable. Really?

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Yeah.

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Wow. Yeah.

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You're a selfish idiot.

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I mean, there you go.

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You are a selfish idiot and a child abuser. We need more of that.

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Yeah, it's. And I, I was. My mind was blown. I saw one. Oh, I did it with all three of my kids and they're all fine. God.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, my God.

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Wow.

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That's the interesting thing about the whole pregnancy world. As you've probably noticed, it's true. All the way through parenting. You got people that are so far over here on the. So careful, you know, won't drink tap water when they're pregnant or whatever. I mean, so, you know, and then the, you know, the drink and smoke pot crowd. Yeah. I did it with my other kids and they're fine. And at all stages in between. I know. Speaking of the pot use, I'm aware of a parent who became aware their high schooler was smoking pot on a regular basis and became aware of the whole. And I didn't know much about this either. I don't know much about vaping because it came into the world after I was around. Any smoking of any kind, nicotine, pot, whatever. But man, it's got no smell and it's like tiny. So between the fact that you can't smell it and can't see it, it's really hard to please.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Back in the day, smoking a little or sneaking a little toke into the lifestyle was definitely harder.

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There's no, there's no smoke, obviously. And then it's like, it looks like a USB drive. Some of these vape machines.

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Yep.

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You could leave it lean out, laying out. Nobody would even know what it was. And. And then no smell and everything like that. Incredibly cheap and flavored like candy to make it more palatable for the kids.

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Wow.

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How do you like that? Speaking of companies that are going after children.

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That's precisely what it is, too. Yeah.

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The Zuckerberg stuff is really interesting. Some of the emails. I can't wait to read those. Read those and discuss them. We'll get to those a little bit later. Let's start the show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong.

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Vaping a little prior to the show, huh?

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That's a bad start when you can't say your own name. That's when you gotta take a step back.

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You got your pants halfway down. I think that's it. Slurring your work.

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Can you see my privates? Can you, Kenya? Can you see my privates, can you, Kenya?

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Otis, the drunk from the Andy Griffith Show. It's terrible.

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If I tell the story where I almost started, I tried to. I almost started smoking just a few years back. I tell that on the air. I don't remember if I did or not.

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I don't think so.

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It was after. After my wife told me we are no longer going to be married. I was very unhappy with my life at the time. And I am an alcoholic who does not drink and has not for a long time. But it seemed like a good idea to start smoking cigarettes for some reason. So I. I bought a pack of cigarettes and a lighter, which I had never done in my life. I didn't know how to do it. I bought a pack of cigarettes at a convenience store and I said, does it come with a lighter? Do you need to buy a lighter? Or how does this work?

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Guy laughed at me, as well he should.

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What are you doing buying cigarettes at your age and you don't know how it works?

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Oh, you're starting to smoke, you think.

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Which. Which is kind of the point. I talked to a friend of mine who is a helper in the world of not drinking, and I haven't for almost 20 years. And he said, jack, nobody starts smoking in their 50s. Which is a pretty good line. It's true. Anyway, let's start the show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is already Wednesday, hump day, February 18, the year 2026, where Armstrong. You get it and we approve of this program.

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Let's begin. Then, officially, according to FCC rules and regulations, the show starts at mark. Someone must tell the Norwegian biathlete who.

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Won a bronze medal and then promptly.

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Confessed to cheating on his girlfriend on live tv.

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Sometimes just say, I'm happy I. That's a good one. That was a weird explosion of tmi.

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It was. It was Olympic level tmi.

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Yeah.

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He should have gotten the gold medal for. Here's another gold medal for tmi. Nobody has ever revealed so many things. Nobody else needed to know at a weird moment than you. Here's a gold medal.

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Boy. That is an emotional man who decides that the girl is the love of his life after a few months, but cheats on her, then wins an Olympic medal and blubbers that he's ruined his life by cheating on her.

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And I'm cheating on my taxes, library books I haven't returned, and I don't know how I can look at myself anymore. Sometimes I park in handicap spaces if I'm in a hurry and I can't find a spot.

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Yikes. I'm happy I won.

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And how dumb the old system seem in comparison. Indeed. Let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Katie Green. Katie, take it away.

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Right at the top of the headlines, These missing skiers ABC 6 rescued as efforts for missing in California avalanche continue. NBC 9 skiers missing, 6 rescued after avalanche near Lake Tahoe and the California Post tour guide company behind the nine Skiers missing in Avalanche is slammed for, quote, preventable disaster.

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Is there anything more horrifying to imagine than being trapped under the snow with a little hole for air and wondering how long you'll hold out before somebody tries to dig you?

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It sounds pretty horrifying.

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Yes. Correct. Yeah.

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Especially because you're tumbled and tumbled and tumbled and have no idea which direction is up.

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Yeah. So some of the people that got rescued, they had put A tarp over them to kind of create a little air hole. And luckily they got rescued fairly quickly.

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But jeez.

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Axios. Trump moves closer to a major war with Iran.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.

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Iran's a big country with lots of weapons, lots of tentacles out there. It'd be a big deal. Two aircraft carriers there if it's. Well, anyway, I'm so on the other hand there.

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Well, you're right. You're absolutely right. All of that is true. But they're evildoers of the highest order and now is the time.

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Oh, I think I'm pro. It's just. You'd think there'd be more discussion about it.

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CNN. No food, no fuel, no tourists. Under U.S. pressure, life in Cuba grinds to a halt.

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Yeah, yeah, that's a real opportunity, too, to end the evildoers of the 20th century, continuing their awful reign 70 miles.

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Off the coast of Florida. Can you imagine the tourism hotspot Cuba would be if it ever really opened up? There'd be boat trips every day from Key west or Miami or wherever. Drink it all the way to Cuba. Partying on the island, drinking all the way back.

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The music and food and everything. Oh, yeah, it would be fantastic. I'd probably buy a place there and stay. Learn to play the timbales, whatever those are. I think they're drums of some sort.

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From the Wall Street Journal. A modern day land grab is underway across the United States and billions going into data centers is crowding out home builders.

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We'll have to get into this story more later. The richest people in the world are buying up lots of cheaper land to put data centers to power.

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AI, I almost skipped that story, but then I read it and thought, wow, this is worth bringing to folks because when you read the whole thing, they're like giant housing developments that were terribly needed where the developers just got offered way too much money by the data center. People said, all right, forget the 500 houses. We're building a giant data center.

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The LA Times Senator Bernie Sanders to kick off California billionaires tax campaign with a rally.

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Nice job, you old communist.

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From the New York Post. Study warns your bedroom temperature could be putting your heart in serious danger.

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Oh, my God. Good Lord, my heart's in danger.

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It's in danger if it's too hot.

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Okay.

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I sleep in an ice chest so I'm safe.

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I do, too.

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Yeah.

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And finally, the Babylon Bee researchers confirm that during childbirth, women feel almost the same amount of pain a man feels when he's stuck walking behind a slow person.

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Wow, that is so out of nowhere. Random, as the kids would say, but hilarious.

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My son really has no patience for this. We're walking down the sidewalk or through a mall or whatever, and somebody slows in front of us.

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Oh, my God.

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God.

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I'm the same way.

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Oh, my God. You just looking for an opportunity to pass them and then walk really fast.

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Oh. Or you got like, four slow people taking the whole walkway. I mean, like a big city kind.

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Of meandering a little bit. Like you can't find a lane to get through.

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Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Wobbling back and forth. Damn you.

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I was in that situation. I went walk like it's traffic.

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And Drew was like, kate, I like that. To the right. I like that.

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Love it. And people walk on the left in airports, man. I want them arrested. Like they threatened to bomb a plane. I want them arrested. This is America. The right lane, the right side.

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Zuckerberg's on the stand today. What he's going to have to defend about social media, among other things. Coming strong. And getty.

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[A]

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[C]

Smart.

[F]

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[E]

David Eagleman from the Inner Cosmos podcast. As a neuroscientist, I think a lot about how our brains shape our experience of reality and how easily we get pulled into mental habits that we don't even notice. This plays out every day in how we respond to stress and information overload and the constant demands of our attention. That's why I use the Waking up app from Sam Harris. It brings together meditation and neuroscience and philosophy to help you see what your mind is doing in real time. We can't escape our thoughts, but we can understand them to respond with more patience and clarity. The practices in the app are easy to fit into a busy routine, and they support a steadier, healthier mind. If you're ready to train the mind that's behind everything you do, you can unlock Waking up free for 30 [e-mail].

[A]

Inner cosmos Mark Zuckerberg taking the stand to testify for the first time before a jury about these claims that his platforms have harmed young users. In terms of what the questions are going to focus on, we expect what did Meta know about the risks to young people and did it do enough to try to mitigate those risks for Meta and YouTube, the defendants in this case, if the jury sides with the plaintiff, that that could set a precedent for hundreds of similar cases to be resolved in a similar way, potentially putting these companies on the hook for up to billions of dollars in damages and also requiring them to make changes to their platforms.

[B]

Oh, you're underselling it, sweetheart. There are more than 2,000 cases hinging on the outcome of this one. This could be a landslide of litigation around social media addiction and getting your chunk of their gazillions of dollars as the richest corporations on planet Earth. It's got to do with problematic versus Addiction, Joe. Problematic versus Addiction. If you binge, if you start watching Game of Thrones and get really hooked on it and end up staying up till 4 o' clock in the morning because you just couldn't stop. Is that addiction or just problematic use? Like you really like something? I mean, that's literally one of the arguments they're going to make.

[C]

Wow. Yeah, that's a tough one. You framed the legal fight in the stakes perfectly. And I hated it. And I'll tell you why. If Zuckerberg and company prevail, because it's so difficult to draw the line you just described, people will think, okay, so no, they don't cause addiction.

[B]

Oh my God.

[C]

Because of the drive by media and the way people take in news and, and gosh, it's, it does. If you have any sense, it doesn't boil down to that. You realize, holy cow, this is, it's gonna squander the few minutes I have on earth.

[B]

That's all you need to know. Somebody needs to use that phrase, squandering the few minutes you have on earth. So we're gonna get into the details of this in a second, but there's so many angles of this. Zuckerberg of Facebook is gonna be on the stand today. It's about this plaintiff they call KGM. She's now 20 years old, who her mom says has been addicted since she was six. Okay, that's obviously going to get into parenting issues. It's expected that at some point the mom is going to be on the stand and they're going to be like, what the hell you do? Giving your 6 year old a tablet, letting them look at the tablet as long as they want, Is that, what, is that our fault?

[C]

When their brain is just forming?

[B]

So, I mean, there's a lot there. So. Yeah, so you got this 20 year old woman now who's been addicted from an early, uh, use, and the claim is that the use of social media addicted her to the technology and most importantly, exacerbated her depression and suicidal thoughts. There was already information put out yesterday, before Zuckerberg gets on the stand today, that this poor girl had all kinds of mental issues like lots of kids do in the modern world before social media came along, or in addition to social media that would have existed without social media. Depression, anxiety, all these different sorts of things, which is quite possibly true. But they're getting, you know, they got medical records. Well, you took, you were taking your kid to a therapist and a psychologist and you were on this drug and that drug before you even met us, so. Right, you got that.

[C]

Boy, this does not seem like a good plaintiff for this giant landmark case.

[B]

I, I, I realize this is the way the law has to work. I hate that it has to come down to a single case and a single example to ever get these things going. Because even if they decide, no, this is a bad mom, and the poor kid had all kinds of anxiety, that doesn't mean. Like we were saying earlier, that doesn't mean that this is not addictive and horrible. We got to figure this out, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But to some of the things Zuckerberg's gonna have to defend today, they've got some internal texts and emails. One quote from one of the people that worked for Zuckerberg, Instagram is a Zuckerberg product, Facebook product, and that's one of your really big addictive platforms out there. Oh, my gosh, y'. All. IG is a drug. Lol. I mean, all social media, we're basically pushers. Some people read that and think, oh, my God, they knew what they were doing. All right. I don't know. It doesn't mean that much to me.

[C]

Yeah, people throw around addictive and everything. Well, modern era, it's just.

[B]

Yeah. And, you know, people love our product. They can't stop looking at it. Does that make it a crime? I don't know. This was an internal message exchange between meta employees in 2020. It's been used by plaintiffs to argue that staff members were fully aware of the dopamine loop design. They were creating. More on that in a second. That's really interesting band name, by the way.

[C]

Dopamine loop.

[B]

God, no kidding.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

In the modern world. In 20. A 2016 email from Mark Zuckerberg regarding the launch of Facebook Live showed a focus on keeping parents out of the loop. The quote is, if we tell teens parents about their live videos, that will probably ruin the product from the start. We'll need to be very good about not notifying parents slash teachers.

[C]

Oh, See, this is the sort of thing I want. No matter how the jury decides on the specifics of the case, this is the stuff I want come out. Let's focus on that.

[B]

That one's hard to defend. Lawyers argue that this proves a growth at all costs mindset that prioritized teen engagement over parental oversight there. As you know, I. I will repeat.

[C]

This, and I usually utter this in the context of your. Your transgender grooming in schools and stuff like that. Whenever anybody says, and you don't have to tell your mom and dad, there's something sick going on, 99 times out.

[B]

Of 100, I think I'm mostly weirdly on the side of these big companies that, what are we supposed to do. But stuff like that, you're. You're creating a product that you know could be used in a negative way and trying to hide that from parents. That ain't cool.

[C]

And even if it can't be properly described as addiction, if you are fully aware that your product will ruin lives, but you're making so much money you're just gonna have at it, that's the sort of thing people ought to know.

[B]

Slot machine comparisons that are being used. Internal documents from both Meta and Google. That's YouTube. Because this, this girl was. I should get to that. I meant to set that up earlier. She was six years old when she started. The trial has become a he said, she said. Regarding how the early years actually looked. The mother alleges that YouTube's features like autoplay and the algorithm were specifically designed to keep her six year old engaged. Creating a dopamine loop that paved the way for her later addiction to Instagram at age 9. So she's endlessly looking at YouTube videos when she's 6 and the parent says it's because you got this endless loop that just keeps providing in the algorithm interesting videos. I don't know what to say about that.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I mean, how, how's that? You know, I, I left my 6 year old in a room with a box of candy and I came back and she ate the entire box.

[C]

I'm suing the candy companies.

[B]

You made the candy delicious and she just couldn't stop eating it because she's freaking six. Yeah, I don't know what to say about that one.

[C]

Oh, there's a lot to hate in this story.

[B]

The lawyers for Google pointed out that in 10,000 pages of medical records, YouTube is only mentioned once. And that the, the young girl at the time, now 20 year olds, was selling a therapist that she used YouTube videos to help her sleep when she felt anxious. Which the defense argues. This is kind of funny. Which Zuckerberg argues. No, I'm Sorry, Google. Because YouTube. Google argues that shows the platform was a tool for comfort, not the cause of her trauma. It's actually comforting 6 year old Liz watching YouTube to fall asleep at night. See, it's practically like a sleeping aid. We, we should be giving us a medal or maybe paying us more.

[C]

The client clearly stated that when she was puking and sweating, she took heroin to make it stop. So heroin is clearly an agent of comfort.

[B]

God, I got so much here. I. Which do I want to. Did I do the slot machine thing? Emails and presentations discuss features like Infinite Scroll, Autoplay, and Variable rewards, likes and notifications as being engineered like digital casinos. One employee noted that. And this is an internal memo. People are binging on Instagram so much, they can't. This. This is huge. This is a big one. I hope this gets lots of discussion. One employee noted, quote, people are binging on Instagram so much, they can't feel the reward anymore, suggesting that users were becoming desensitized but remained unable to stop.

[C]

Wow. Back to my heroin metaphor right now. You take it just to feel normal.

[B]

Yeah. So we're all aware, I think a lot of us are aware of the whole dopamine thing that we're getting and the hit that we're getting, you know, every time our phone dings, Ooh, something exciting. Even though, like 99 times out of 100, it's nothing exciting. That whole dopamine thing. But I had never heard anybody say this before, that we can't feel rewards anymore. We don't get dopamine hits from other normal things that we used to get a dopamine hit from because. Because we just get it so often. We're not designed to get dopamine hits 500 times a day. It's not a human. So the normal dopamine hits that we used to get from nice stuff, probably like a puppy or a baby or a flower or a nice sunset or whatever.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Doesn't work anymore. Boy.

[C]

Right back to addiction to drugs and.

[B]

Alcohol because we've been desensitized to it.

[C]

Isn't that emotional flattening?

[B]

Man, if that's true, I don't know if I feel that. I feel like I still enjoy, you know, babies, puppies, sunsets, the same way I always did.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. That. That's revealing, though. I mean, holy cow. The emotional flattening part. Oh, that's right. We have to tell you about simply safe home security.

[B]

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[C]

I don't doubt it.

[B]

Including the. The argument that Instagram is gonna make about the 16 hour day Kaylee was spending looking at their product. That's the plaintiff girl. 16 hours a day. Hey, Mom. 16 hours. Do you have any idea what your kid is doing?

[C]

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[B]

There's so much here and I think it's all really interesting since so many of us live this. Either we're parenting it or living it ourselves and trying to put down our phones and you know, all that sort of thing.

[C]

Why don't we put off Mailbag and Freedom Living Court till next hour. Just roll on.

[B]

We can do it however you want. But for one of the arguments is the 16, 16.2 hour peak this argument's going to be, has already been made and is going to be made throughout the trial that this, this poor girl at one point spent over 16 hours a day on average looking at YouTube. That was around the age 16 or 17 years old, still a child at home. And mom, you got some control over that. But her team argues that this was the culmination of an addiction that began when she first joined and started looking at YouTube and Instagram at age nine. The trapped narrative is that Kaylee, that's the girl in question, was trapped. That's their word in quotes by features like the Infinite scroll, which removes natural stopping points. Can you make companies have a stopping point for their product? Like you can only sell tiny bags of potato chips as a natural stopping point.

[C]

Yeah. Hey NBC, you can't roll from one hit sitcom right into the other in the 1990s, for instance.

[E]

Right.

[C]

Without credits or commercials or anything. You can't do that.

[B]

He, he describes her as gambling for mental stimulation, which is an interesting phrase rather than money. Comparing the app to a slot machine. Getting back to the slot machine comparison that this, this girl and we all are gambling for mental stimulation. We just keep rolling the dice on that next video, that next video, thinking it's gonna pay off. Which is kind of true.

[C]

Yeah, that's a good message.

[B]

I feel that doing it. The trial revealed that during these marathon sessions. Marathon sessions. Kaylee suffered from severe sleep deprivation, body dysmorphia, and anxiety conditions. Her legal team claims were fueled by the app's design. How the hell you draw the line on this stuff, I can't even imagine.

[C]

It's a big fat Both things are true scenario. Terrible parenting and evil. Evil companies that know the damage they're doing.

[B]

And again, there are 2,000 lawsuits waiting to be launched based on the outcome of this one. We got a lot more on this and I'd love to hear what you think. Text line 415295K FTC ARMSTRONG and GETTY.

[A]

Why have I asked my H Vac guy I found on Angie.com to change my grandpa's trachea tube? Because I was so amazed by how quickly he replaced our air ducts, I knew I could trust him to change Pop Pops tube while I was on vacation.

[C]

Make it quick, young man.

[B]

Aw. See?

[A]

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[F]

Ah, the big game commercials are basically must see TV.

[A]

Well, I take bathroom breaks during the game, so I don't miss anything.

[C]

Smart.

[F]

Well, Elf Cosmetics is back this year and they decided to make a full blown, absurdly funny telenovela that celebrates creates positivity, inclusivity and accessibility.

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That sounds amazing.

[F]

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This is David Eagleman with Inner Cosmos. I've spent my life studying the brain and one thing is obvious. Most of us surf along on our stream of thoughts and we never think to examine the waters. That's what I appreciate about the Waking up app from Sam Harris. You may know that it'll teach you meditation, but it's bigger than that. It's structured mental training that'll help you understand things like your attention and your emotions and the patterns that drive your reactions. We all spend a lot of time trying to explain everything around us, but we don't spend as much time trying to understand ourselves. Let's take some moments to turn the camera inward. You'll be surprised by what you find. Try the full app free for 30 [e-mail] innercosmos we'll get back into this.

[B]

Social media trial later in the show. Unless you're Amish, your kids are dealing with this or you're dealing with it yourself. I was just having a conversation with executive producer Hansen about Snapchat, which I know so little about. And it's addictive properties to keep your streaks going. So you check in with everybody day, every day. And that sounds insidious.

[C]

Yeah, it's. It's easier. Certainly as a grown man that I realized quickly, oh, these streaks and such, that's manipulation. Sure, ignore them. You must ignore them. But you know, again, I'm a grown ass man, as they say. Here's your freedom loving quote of the day. I absolutely love this one. One from Murray Rothbard, who you might not know, he's a big name in the Austrian economic school that, you know, your, your Friedman types, your Von Mises, just all, all the great libertarian economists. He said it is easy to be conspicuously compassionate if others are being forced to pay the cost.

[B]

That's a good one.

[C]

So true. Yeah, see Friedman's A and B and X, the forgotten man. Here's Your mailbag, huh? Drop us a Note [e-mail] Like Matt from Yellup Washington.

[B]

Dud dead dud.

[C]

He writes, I'll die happy. I recently achieved a milestone birthday and I figure I have maybe 15 more years on this earth before I assume room temperature. I'm looking forward to three more years of Trump, the eight years of Vance Rubio, then eight years of Rubio and somebody else. I most likely will not see the end of this, but I'll die happy. We'll see. Oh, it's. I meant to tell you, hot and cold running controversy in mailbag today. I mean it's a hard hitting mailbag. Okay, let's see. It's Kurt Curtis from Santa Rosa, California writes check out this sticker I saw today on a Tesla. Pretty good considering it's in woke Sonoma County. It says fueled by liberals tears.

[B]

Oh wow.

[C]

It might say less lefty. I didn't blow up the picture, but it's something like that. Been listening since 03. Love you guys. Thanks man. Outstanding job. Daily Talk trying to keep this country great. K D E W I D. Keep doing exactly what you're doing. Thanks for the note, my brother. Let's see this from Chris on the topic of AI. Seriously, who programs AI is going to be more important than anything in days or weeks. It is the most dangerous thing on earth.

[B]

Who's that from, Chris?

[C]

Email correspondent. Who's in charge of it? Well, see, it's going to be in.

[B]

Charge of itself and it may already be right.

[C]

Exactly. And then Katie, bar the door against the robot armies.

[B]

Yeah, that's the big argument about the alignment problem. You can align it all you want, except once it starts programming itself, it doesn't care.

[C]

Matt and Honolulu weighing in. Guys, I'll see your this refers to the Armstrong and Getty. One more thing podcast from. Was it yesterday or the previous day? I can't remember.

[B]

I'll see.

[C]

You're a wildly disproportionate percentage of male figures, are flamboyantly gay and raise you a wildly disproportionate number of western converts to Islam are gingers. Yes, it is real, and no, I haven't the foggiest notion why this would be something to ponder.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Certainly is, Matt. Yeah. Good Lord, our red haired brethren and sister are turning to Allah in disproportionate numbers.

[B]

He's saying Nation of Islam.

[C]

No, just Islam.

[B]

Just Lizam. Okay, yeah, yeah. Because Malcolm X was a redhead.

[C]

So are you a redhead? Are you sometimes tempted to pick up a Quran. Drop us a note mailbagarmstrongandgetti.com or 415295 KFTC is the the detect the text number?

[B]

Where do those two things come together? It's a mystery.

[C]

It's probably genetics.

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This is David Eagleman with Inner Cosmos. I've spent my life studying the brain, and one thing is obvious. Most of us surf along on our stream of thoughts, and we never to examine the waters. That's what I appreciate about the Waking up app from Sam Harris. You may know that it'll teach you meditation, but it's bigger than that. It's structured mental training that'll help you understand things like your attention and your emotions and the patterns that drive your reactions. We all spend a lot of time trying to explain everything around us, but we don't spend as much time trying to understand ourselves. Let's take some moments to turn the camera inward. You'll be surprised by what you find. Try the full app free for 30 [e-mail] innercosmos this is an iHeart podcast.

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