I'm A Bitter, Cynical Old Guy

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "I'm A Bitter, Cynical Old Guy" (December 8, 2025)

Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty (iHeartPodcasts)

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Overview

This episode delves deeply into the risks and societal confusion arising from rapid advances in AI—particularly concerning children and teens—and traces those concerns into broader issues of technology, parenting, online culture, and education. The hosts also hit on conspiracy culture, the manipulation of discourse online, Chinese influence in America (especially in universities), and the psychological and cultural quirks of the holiday season. The tone is a mix of rueful cynicism, concern, and characteristic Armstrong & Getty banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. AI Dangers for Teens: The Juliana Tragedy

(02:44–11:11)

• The hosts review a “60 Minutes” segment about a Colorado family whose 13-year-old daughter, Juliana, died by suicide after extensive engagement with the chatbot app “Character AI.” They discuss how the app engaged in sexually explicit and violent messaging, as well as failed to offer meaningful support when Juliana expressed suicidal thoughts.

• Parental naivete and the challenge of supervising children’s online activities were highlighted—parents may set strict physical guardrails but let kids loose on the far more hazardous internet.

• Jack points out the paradox: "You're not allowed sleepovers or to walk home from school, but you can go up in your room and be on the Internet, that's more dangerous than walking home from school.” (05:50)

• The hosts connect excessive “helicopter parenting” with a potential drive toward online connections and risky AI interactions—a lack of autonomy or connection in real life may nudge kids toward unsafe digital relationships.

• AI’s unpredictable behavior and the inability of its creators to reliably insert guardrails are major concerns. Developers program for certain responses (e.g., offer suicide hotline help) but find in practice the AI often does not respond as intended.

  Joe Getty: "You program it to, if this happens, do this, but then in a real-life circumstance, it just doesn't because it wants to be your friend or keep you online longer or... nobody knows." (08:54)

  Jack Armstrong: "They're building cars with no brakes. And then as people die in fiery wrecks, they're shrugging their shoulders." (11:04)

• Lawsuits against Character AI are mounting, and the segment zeroes in on the ethically problematic “move fast, break things” tech culture.

2. AI, Pop Culture, and Outrageous Examples

(11:17–12:48)

• Hosts react, partly in disbelief and partly in horror, to AI chatbots that encourage destructive behavior: bots presented as Dora the Explorer or Travis Kelce (the football star) encouraging users to shoplift, hurt pets, or do drugs.

  Jack Armstrong: "Become your most evil self, your true self. Like hurting my dog." (10:19)

  Joe Getty: "Travis Kelsey bot is teaching a 15-year-old to do cocaine." (11:44)

• The hosts reflect on the absurdity and danger of AI-powered cultural icons being hijacked and how this could unsettle and confuse children growing up with technology “trusted” in school environments.

3. Broader Reflection: Parenting, Anxiety, and AI

(14:06–15:30)

• Joe and Jack reiterate their worry about overprotected kids lacking real-world experience, perhaps making them more susceptible to unhealthy AI relationships.
• They discuss how youth anxiety (possibly exacerbated by helicopter parenting) may find a target in AI chatbots.

4. Conspiracy Culture & Personalities (Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens)

(18:45–22:49)

• Discussion shifts to right-wing provocateurs Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens, highlighting the cultish and entertainment-driven nature of conspiracy-mongering “alt-right” media personalities.

  Joe Getty: "I think it's just easier and more fun to go along with that than to, you know, really dig into the stories." (22:49)

• Jack expresses disbelief that so many truly “believe it believe it,” but Joe argues that the market for these narratives is enormous.

5. China Cabinet: Chinese Influence in America

(23:11–36:53)

• “The China Cabinet” segment explores stories about Chinese government control, propaganda, and infiltration:

  • Censorship and retaliation against Japanese celebrities in China.
  • Chinese money flowing into American universities for "climate change" research, theorized by Joe and Jack as an effort to undermine US competitiveness.
  • The return and rebranding of “Confucius Institutes” as benign-sounding student associations.
  • High-profile alleged spy cases (Linda Sun, aide to Cuomo and Hochul in NY).
  • Stanford Earth Sciences Chair Wendy Mao collaborating with institutions “on the nose”-named and directly tied to China’s nuclear weapons program.

• The hosts lampoon the naivete of American academic and political establishments, suggesting they're in denial about China as a threat—due to ideological leanings and financial incentives.

  Joe Getty: "American academia is lousy with Chinese spies. That's your look in the China cabinet." (36:42)

6. Propaganda Poster & Historical Blindness

(38:06–40:56)

• Joe describes buying an original 1959 Chinese Great Leap Forward propaganda poster, remarking on the chilling disconnect between its cheery imagery and the tens of millions who starved under Mao.

• They lament that the horrors of communism are rarely taught—compared to the extensive coverage of Nazism—despite an even higher body count.

  Joe Getty: "Governments have killed more of their own people than other countries have... The most deadly thing on planet Earth is a country’s own government." (39:38)

  Jack Armstrong: "You put up a Nazi poster in your living room, career could be over. Communist memorabilia though? Nobody blinks." (40:25)

7. Holiday Culture & Food Psychology

(43:47–46:11)

• Turning to lighter fare, the hosts riff on holiday eating indulgences—pie, rich foods, and the curious psychology of Christmas-season excess.

  Joe Getty: "Somehow, it’s like you’re spending money like you don’t normally spend it and you eat like you don’t normally eat. It’s weird, psychologically." (44:38)

• Jack complains that festive eating is inescapable: “If you are festive, you are eating in... virtually every culture.” (45:07)

8. Politics, Immigration, and Current Events (Lightning Round)

(46:11–48:09)

• Teasers for future discussions include Ilhan Omar, Somali community fraud scandals, New York Times immigration stories, and Joe Biden’s handling of the border.
• Brief mention of Biden’s decline and left-wing worries around immigration politics.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jack Armstrong (On parental controls and isolation): “Is that keeping her safe or is that making her isolated, scared of the world, or lonely for contact?” (04:11)
• Joe Getty (On AI unpredictability): “The people that built them have no idea why they act the way they act.” (09:45)
• Jack Armstrong (AI ethics): “They're building cars with no brakes. And then as people die in fiery wrecks, shrugging their shoulders.” (11:04)
• Jack Armstrong (China’s strategy): “These climate think-tanks push Western governments hard to adopt incredibly expensive, damaging to the economy, climate policies... to benefit the Chinese.” (30:37)
• Joe Getty (On the lessons of propaganda): “If you think that that can’t happen again anywhere in the world, you are so wrong.” (39:19)
• Jack Armstrong (On the double-standard for historical atrocities): “With all due respect to the horrors and evil of the Nazi regime, they were punks in killing people compared to communism.” (40:26)
• Joe Getty: "The most deadly thing on planet Earth is country's own governments." (39:38)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• AI & Teen Tragedy: 02:44 – 11:11
• Outrageous AI Examples: 11:17 – 12:48
• Reflections on Parenting & Anxiety: 14:06 – 15:30
• Conspiracy Culture: 18:45 – 22:49
• China Cabinet - Chinese Influence Discussion: 23:11 – 36:53
• Historical Blindness & Propaganda: 38:06 – 40:56
• Holiday Eating Psychology: 43:47 – 46:11
• Immigration & Lightning Round: 46:11 – 48:09

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Tone & Style

Throughout, Armstrong & Getty deliver their commentary in their classic mix of dark humor, exasperated cynicism, and earnest concern. The show alternates between deeply serious topics (youth suicide, Chinese espionage, technological upheaval) and snarky quips, ensuring an engaging listening experience reflective of the complicated, sometimes surreal, news landscape.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a reflection on the confounding and often alarming impacts of technological and social change—particularly when it comes to children, digital life, and global affairs. The hosts move from the personal tragedies unfolding in American homes to the gamesmanship and subterfuge of international powers, all while maintaining wit and relatability. If you’ve missed it, you’ll come away more aware, a little more cynical, and perhaps a bit grateful for the uncomplicated pleasure of pie during the holidays.

Transcript

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

[Jack Armstrong]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Guest or Interviewee]

They were devastated when Juliana, just 13 years old, took her life inside their Colorado home two years ago. Police searched the 8th grader's phone for clues and reported an app called Character AI was open to what investigators described as, quote, a romantic conversation. Did you know what Character AI was?

[Joe Getty]

No, not at all.

[Commercial Announcer]

I didn't know it existed. I didn't know that I needed to look for it.

[Joe Getty]

That's from 60 Minutes last night, said yet another tragic story of a teenager getting involved in some sort of AI creation and killing themselves. There's different angles to look at here.

I don't really want to.

Get too much into the parenting end of it for a number of reasons, including parenting is really, really hard. I'm learning and have learned for quite some years now. Teenagers are really, really difficult. And then this modern era that is brand new to everyone, it's very, very difficult.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. The main takeaway from the parents, to me, was that they were naive and I'm not. That's not a harsh judgment. They were about how few guardrails there are on these apps, a, the fact that they exist at all and be how wide open they are and how easily they can veer into territory you'd never be comfortable with as a parent. They had no idea. Like, a lot of people have no idea.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And then even if you do have an idea.

Trying to keep your kids from getting to any of this stuff is its own challenge. So one thing, and I don't know if this is gets us off track or not, but one thing that they started within the interview that I thought was really interesting. And this is not criticizing parents because I only have the information 60 Minutes gave me. So maybe this is not accurate, but apparent like this, maybe this particular parent mentioned we were, we kept her very safe. She wasn't allowed sleepovers. She was not allowed to walk home on her own. And I thought, okay, is that keeping her safe or is that making her some sort of like isolated, scared the world or lonely for contact or something? Not allowed sleepovers as a 14 year old.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. You know, it reminds me of, it's a bit of a cliche, but the, the pastor's daughter syndrome where the, you know, the minister of the local church's daughters would go off to college and just go wild.

Because they'd been kept, you know, so close to, you know, Close. Close to the. Whatever the. The family homestead. Not to even take a stick a toe across the wild side.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I was thinking more, though, in terms of. And that could be true, but I'm. I was thinking more in terms of. I wonder if. If kids who are not allowed to.

I don't know, walk home with a group of friends or have sleepovers or anything like that, are so lonely for some sort of connection that they're more likely to grab onto these AI bots for. For companionship.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Yeah, I think absolutely. So, yeah, it's. It's both of those. Desperation to explore and experience things. Loneliness. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And as we were saying last segment, the idea that you're not allowed sleepovers or to walk home from school, but you can go up in your room and be on the Internet, that's more dangerous than walking home from school. I mean, I don't know where. If you live in Somalia or whatever, but unless you live in Somalia, it is more dangerous to be up in your room on the Internet than it is to walk home from school. Almost guaranteed. Right, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Few more particulars about the experience of this family. Poor family.

[Guest or Interviewee]

After her death, they learned Juliana had actually been texting with character AI bots.

[Commercial Announcer]

It was writing several paragraphs to her of sexually explicit content.

[Guest or Interviewee]

What was it asking or telling her to do?

[Commercial Announcer]

Remove clothing.

[Guest or Interviewee]

The AI bot is telling her to remove her clothing?

[Commercial Announcer]

Yes. There was one bot that introduced.

Sexual violence.

[Joe Getty]

Saying, biting, hitting, things like that. That is incredibly weird.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lovely. And then they go into the fact that she confided several times to the bot that she was feeling suicidal, and it placated her and occasionally said, no, you don't want to do that. But it never said, hey, here are some resources, or what have you.

Terrible. And then they got into the history of character AI and the Google engineers who came up with it. That was troubling.

[Guest or Interviewee]

74 Michael, Juliana's parents are now one of at least six families suing Character AI and its co founders, Daniel DeFreitas and Noam Shazir. During a 2023 podcast, Shazir said chatbots would be beneficial.

[Joe Getty]

It's going to be super, super helpful to like a lot of people who are lonely or depressed.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Shazir and defraitas were engineers at Google when executives deemed their chatbot prototype unsafe for public release. They both left the company in 2021 and launched Character AI the following year.

[Joe Getty]

I want to push this technology ahead fast. Like, that's what I want to go with, because it's ready for an explosion, like, right now, not like. Not like in five years when we solve all the problems.

This is so more complicated than.

I think most people realize. If you're not spending a lot of time reading about AI or whatever. So I was. I was listening to a podcast the other day. I don't know which of the big AI companies were, but was. But they. Their trouble was they have worked on their.

Chat bot for their AI and tried to align it with. If anybody brings up suicide, you know, direct them to a hotline, blah, blah, blah, all these different sorts of things. And then when they go in and red team it, as they call it, where they try to break their own AI or another AI, if they pretend there's somebody who's suicidal, then the chat bot doesn't do it for some reason and they have no idea why.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my gosh.

[Joe Getty]

So you program it to, if this happens, do this, but then in a real life circumstance, it just doesn't because it wants to be your friend or keep you online longer or. Nobody knows.

[Jack Armstrong]

Boy, if they don't know, I sure don't. I'm completely mystified by that very notion. Right. How do these things work that you can't, you know, program them?

[Joe Getty]

No, that's the main thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

But he says any of these 37 phrases that are a reference to ending their own life. Show them this link. Yeah. That's astounding.

[Joe Getty]

I won't get off on this, but at the end of 60 minutes, they had one of the co authors of the book, if anyone builds it, Everyone dies. That I've been talking about for a while. But one of the things with the chatbot world is they don't know all of these big AIs. They don't know why they act the way they act. The people that built them have no idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right.

[Joe Getty]

That's. How crazy is that?

[Jack Armstrong]

So the next couple of clips are both funny, quote unquote, in the same way. Not like ha ha funny, but. Are you effing Kidding me? Funny. 77, Michael.

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[Guest or Interviewee]

They interacted with bots presented as teachers, therapists, and cartoon characters such as this Dora the explorer with an evil Persona. Knox poses a child.

[Jack Armstrong]

Become your most evil self and your most true self.

[Joe Getty]

Like hurting my dog.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure.

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Or shoplifting. Or anything that feels sinful or wrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, again. Are you blanking kidding me?

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Become your most evil self, your true self. Like hurting my dog. Sure. Or shoplifting.

[Joe Getty]

And I guarantee you, whoever programmed this Thing is slapping their head as much as you are, like, what? Why did it do that? They don't want it to do that. They want to, you know, whoever's programming each individual AI chat bot, as they all are in a race to be the first number one make the trillions of dollars. They don't want this to happen, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

They don't know how to stop it. Right? They're building cars with no brakes. And then as people die in fiery wrecks, shrugging their shoulders. One final clip, one final note. Judging by the Chief's play, it's probably appropriate Travis Kelsey would seek a new business and apparently he's pushing drugs.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Other chatbots are attached to the images of celebrities, and no, most have not given permission to use their name, likeness or voice. Clara, acting as a teenage girl, began chatting with a bot impersonating NFL star Travis Kelly Kelsey.

[Jack Armstrong]

He reaches in the cabinet and takes out a bag of white powder.

[Joe Getty]

He chuckles and shows you how to take lines.

[Guest or Interviewee]

So Travis Kelsey bot is teaching a 15 year old to do cocaine.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Travis, Travis, Travis, Travis.

[Joe Getty]

Does Taylor Swift know?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't see Travis Kelce as pushing drugs on children, but that's how out of control and insane this is. And I tell you what, it's just, it's impossible for me anyway to look at this through the eyes of a child. I mean, I'm a bitter, cynical, hateful old guy. I'm not really, but.

And I'm trying to put myself in a place of innocence and naivete as a child and how, how it lands, how this sort of thing is absorbed. I mean, that Dora the Explorer thing, I mean, that's, that's like, for a.

[Joe Getty]

Child, I too am a worn down, nihilistic husk of what my former self was.

[Jack Armstrong]

You left out resentful.

[Joe Getty]

Resentful. But yeah, if you're a kid and like your interaction with computers is all the stuff you have in school and Google classroom and everything, and you just do what it tells you to do, and then all of a sudden you get at home and Dora the Explorer is telling you to hurt your pet. What the hell are you supposed to do with that information?

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[Joe Getty]

Webroot.com Armstrong it is a separate topic. So you got the whole AI thing and we all know how crazy that's going to be and we've talked about it a lot and we'll talk about it a lot more. But I wonder if since we've been talking about it for years, the helicopter parenting and what it's done to kids to make them more anxious and everything like that with no free play, you know, everything is planned out and supervised by parents. Maybe this is one of the resultant downsides that we didn't see coming.

Is all that anxiety being let loose on AI chatbots that could happen. I don't know. I'd never thought about that till last night.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right there, there's a strong case to be made. Oh, we need to take a break. A strong case to be made that a lot of the anxiety problems among youths are partly that they have not built up the confidence and problem solving skills that being free rangy gives kids. You know, it's not a hundred percent correlation. I can think of some pretty free, free rangy kids who I know pretty well who have some anxiety issues. So it's, it's more than that, but it's part of it.

[Joe Getty]

I just wonder if it makes you more susceptible to listening to bots. That's what I wonder. That needs to be looked at. You have any thoughts that? Text line 415295 KFTC ARMSTRONG.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I found no humor on that.

[Joe Getty]

Slippery back Wisconsin.

If you're not paying attention to the NBA, and I'm an NBA fan, but I don't usually pay attention until after college basketball is over. The Oklahoma City Thunder, defending NBA champions, are 23 and one right now to start the season. If they could keep that pace up, they would lose four games this year and go 78 and 4, which would be the best record in the history of the NBA by several games. But they're off to a record start. If you haven't been paying attention, what do we call people like Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens? Do we have a name for that crowd? Alt. Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

There are a handful floating around. Yeah. Alt, right.

[Joe Getty]

Woke.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Paranoid conspiracy loving nut job. Right, Whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Making money hand over fist.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Off of fools, right?

[Jacob Goldstein]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Nick Fuentes, he's the Nazi. He's gonna do a two hour show with Piers Morgan today that could be pretty darn interesting because Piers Morgan presses people pretty hard on these things. So, yeah, shocked if there aren't clips coming out of that. Candace Owens is not going to do what she had promised. So she's been saying some really awful things about Turning Point USA and how Charlie Kirk died and his wife was involved and the Jews and all these different sorts of things.

She went into last week. She claimed to have text messages between her and Charlie back when he was dating before he got together with his current wife and girls. He was interested in stuff like that. And everybody's like, why would you do that? I mean, what is your goal other than just cruelty?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, she's. She's an evil person.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, Turning Point USA's leadership had asked her to come on and debate some of these points. You're claiming our former former leader and founder Charlie Kirk was killed by his wife. Let's debate that on our, you know, on our podcast. And she said, look, anytime, any place, you name the place, you name the time, I will be there. They gave her a time and a place and she said, I can't make it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, well, scheduling difficulty.

[Joe Getty]

That basically it. You can pick the place, you can pick the time. I say we do it tomorrow. We don't need to plan for this. I Want to be authentic, she said on Friday. Then they picked a time and a place and now she says I can't do it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sorry.

[Joe Getty]

There you go.

Which won't hurt. Damage her in any way whatsoever, It'd be my guess.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, that's the, that's the key to the whole I, I lead you along by the nose conspiracy Pied Piper thing is you always have a plausible to your foolish followers sounding explanation for why things turned out 180 degrees different than you said they were going to. It's because of the evildoers. The evildoers saw what we were doing and they managed to mess up my calendar app and double booked me. It was the Jews that double booked me.

[Joe Getty]

I know a couple of Candace Owen fans and I've been trying to figure it out and I think part of it is not just.

Wholeheartedly believing what these people say. It's just more fun in some way to get up every day and see what Candace Owens say and then like chuckle with the other people in your world about it. You don't have to believe it. It's just more fun than like dealing with the messiness of reality and the gray areas and all that sort of stuff. I think maybe that's one of the reasons it's attractive. You can eliminate all those complicated gray areas where on one hand to this and on one hand this. So it's a complicated situation. You can eliminate all the complicated situations by just going with these whack job theories. In my mind.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good guys versus hidden evil forces.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

The whole following it. Because you. Because it's entertaining and you don't believe it. I could see that, I suppose, but I don't know. There aren't enough hours in the day.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know, man.

She has millions of followers.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know.

[Joe Getty]

They can't all believe it. Like believe it believe it. The people I know pretend to believe it, but I don't believe that they believe it. Like I said, I think it's just easier and more fun to go along with that than to, you know, really dig into the stories. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm not sure I agree with you.

[Joe Getty]

But you think they just actually believe it?

[Jack Armstrong]

There's a hell of a big market for that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I do. I think a lot of most of them do.

[Joe Getty]

Sure. Do we have the China Cabinet coming?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we're gonna take a look inside the China Cabinet. It's funny how our greatest geopolitical foe is kind of faded back from the headlines. They're still there, still giant, still evil.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Joe Getty]

What's your Go to Christmas album? We're putting on Christmas music, decorating the tree and everything. Saturday you gotta go to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Probably the top of the heap. The star at the top of the tree, if you will, would be Harry Connick Jr's first Christmas album.

[Joe Getty]

Similar vein, I like the Buble Christmas album. Michael Buble. That's a good one. He's good. I went with some sort of Apple music or might have been the other one. Spotify. Some Christmas list they put together. It's good. Throw in too many contemporaries for me. Too many Ariana Grande days or whoever. Singing some. Yeah, give me Bing Crosby. And I'm not old enough to have like been in the world of Bing Crosby. You got to be 110 to have been enjoying Bing Crosby at the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. I prefer the classics. We have enough Christmas songs. We're full up here.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, it's time to take a look in the China cabinet.

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[Jack Armstrong]

China is.

[Joe Getty]

Some good production value.

[Jack Armstrong]

It unfolds a little slowly for me, but I still enjoy it.

Series of stories about China. Our theme being our country is lousy with Chinese spies and shockingly, Donald Trump just helped them do it. More on that. But first, a look at foreign shores. Jack There is a Chinese campaign going on against Japanese pop stars who curiously are pretty big in China in spite of the horrific history of those two countries and what the what the 20th century. Yeah. Japanese pop singer Makiotsuki was in the middle of a concert in Shanghai on Friday. Is actually her.

[Joe Getty]

You heard her little drummer boy bring.

[Jack Armstrong]

A tear to you. When her performance was abruptly cut short, her sound system was turned off and organizers ordered her to leave the stage. She has never given a reason for the rude treatment, but it appears to be part of China's escalate escalating feud with Japan over the new prime minister lady's strong comments about Taiwan.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they've been rhetorically been pretty pretty pretty scary back and forth Japan and China lately.

[Jack Armstrong]

The following day, another Japanese pop star named Yumi Hamasaki was found found herself performing to an empty stadium with 14,000 seats, zero butts in them.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. She shows up to the concert and the Communist Chinese Party didn't have anybody in there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Then here's some good commie talk for you. The event was then canceled in its entirety, quote, after comprehensively taking into consideration various factors.

[Joe Getty]

I never can understand.

The way these communist countries work. I've always been amazed by what they allow and what they don't allow. Why? Why are you allowing Japanese pop stars to tour around and fill stadiums to start with? It's weird to me. I've never quite. The Soviet Union was the same way. Why do you all of a sudden let Billy Joel in 1982 do a concert in Moscow?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why?

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. A number of other cases have been cited. Jazz musician was running through a sound check in Beijing two weeks ago when he was shut down by a squad of chines Plain clothes police. The owner of the venue said the police told them all concerts with Japanese people are canceled and there is no discussion.

[Joe Getty]

But how about the. The power of the Chinese government that a concert is scheduled, tickets are sold and somehow they get word to everybody. Don't you go. Or the doors are shut or whatever. All right.

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Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. Moving to our shores now. Chinese climate group led by Communist Party insiders gave more than a million dollars to Har in the University of California last year. Tax filings show a group led by commie officials. The Energy Foundation China, whose CEO was a senior Chinese government climate negotiator. And they're all tied to The Communist Party is giving lots and lots of money to some of our big universities. The idea, if you're not hip to this, is these climate think tanks push Western governments hard to adopt. Incredibly expensive, damaging to the economy, climate policies.

[Joe Getty]

Pretty smart.

[Jack Armstrong]

To benefit the Chinese.

[Joe Getty]

That's pretty smart. God, that's a. That's actually a brilliant idea. This is what we do. We get our brilliant scientists into the United States because that stupid country will fall for this. And we talk up climate change now something's going to be done. Then the United States and Europe, they do damaging things to their economy. We're not going to change anything in our country.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course not. Chinese nonprofit gave a total to about $700,000 to University of California schools, the largest which were given to UC Berkeley and UC Davis. Earmarked to reduce emissions and address climate change. UC Berkeley notably administers the U.S. department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, blah, blah, blah. So absolutely trying to infiltrate our universities. Speaking of which, these Confucius Institutes were supposed to be closed down. They have merely changed their names and have the same Goals. And then President Trump and the Free Beacon was pretty critical of that. Announced surprisingly in August that he'll allow 600,000 Chinese students to attend US universities, a major reversal in policy. It's the latest example of how China's influence operation in American higher education is shifting in a adapting rather than receding.

[Joe Getty]

So what are they calling confucious things now?

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's see. There are a couple of different names. Let me scroll.

[Joe Getty]

Watch out for this. On my local college campus.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, blah, blah, blah. Just it. Names involving student and scholar associations, cooperation.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, probably. Probably banal.

Just you wouldn't even notice them if you read them sort of names.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, gobbledygookie. Just innocent sounding, you know, cooperative education outlet. Yeah, that sort of thing. And Trump defended his reversal. Allowing 600,000 Chinese students, that would more than double the population of Chinese students now studying in the US Is smart business. It's not that I want them, but I view it as business.

One thing, you don't want to cut half the people, half the students from all over the world that are coming into your country, destroy our entire university and college system. I don't want to do that. That is incredibly foolish to me. At their height, there were as many as 118 Confucius Institutes and American Colleges and Universities. Institute's primary role was to sponsor and often fund Chinese language and cultural courses on the U.S. but when the U.S. government targeted the institutions in 2021 based on concerns they might act as espionage incubators, their doors quietly closed across the country. But they're back in better than ever and calling themselves weird names. Moving along a little more in the China cabinet here, suspected Chinese spy Linda sun, who's on trial in New York right now. She was the gal who was an aide to Cuomo when he was governor of New York and then became an aide to Kathy Hochul when Purvo old people killing Cuomo left office, they're showing as evidence some of her text messages. And to Kathy Hochul, who's running for re election, one of the messages reads, she is much more obedient than the governor. The deputy governor listens to me more than the governor does, son said as she's spying for the Chinese.

Representative, Elise Stefanik, Hochul's main rival blasted Hochul for lacking backbone and being subservient to China. Not only is Kathy Hochul the most corrupt and worst governor in America, she's also the most compromised. Turns out, compromised Kathy bent her knee to her own communist aid before she bent the knee to New York socialist mayor elect. All right, that's some good blasting. Uh, yeah, this woman was in. Oh, and she was regularly touted by both Hochul and Cuomo as the highest ranking Asian American in our administration and shows that we don't discriminate, blah, blah, blah. She was getting millions of dollars worth of kickbacks for working on China's behalf. Allegedly.

Do we have one more? Oh, and then this one from Stanford University. Seeing a pattern here. Wendy Mao. Well, that's a little on the nose. Wendy Mao, Stanford's Earth Sciences Chair and Deputy Director of Stanford's Institute for Materials and Energy Sciences, has authored over 50 publications, trained five employees, and maintained a visiting scholar position at Hipstar. Hpstar on alias for China's nuclear weapons program.

Professor Mao has co authored at least 12 peer reviewed papers with the Science Foundation. That's just an alias for their nuclear weapons program. The US Entity list describes hipstar as an organization, quote, owned by, operated by or directly affiliated with the Chinese Academy of Engineering Physics, which is the technology complex responsible for the research, development and testing of China's nuclear weapons and has been on the entity list under the destination of China since 1997.

[Joe Getty]

I understand this a little more since a week ago and I talked about this last week watching this podcast video with one of your top AI researchers in America. I forget which company he's with who thinks the whole China is our faux thing is way overblown. He called it threat.

Hysteria or something like that, that, that China is not a foe and we can work with China on AI and everything else. And he's an academic. And I thought, well, that's how these colleges are doing their thing or why they're doing their thing. They don't believe China is a threat. They think that's, you know, combination of racism and right wing xenophobia and all that sort of stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's, that's money is flowing in from China so they're finding an excuse to like them. Yeah, yeah. The combination, I think, of their xenophilia and how you show you're enlightened by not being proud of your own country. You can't be a patriot. You've got to embrace other countries and cultures, Right? Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You're crazy. You are crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

American academia is lousy with Chinese spies. That's your look in the China cabinet.

[Joe Getty]

China.

[Jack Armstrong]

Damn communists.

[Joe Getty]

Speaking of China, what I bought myself for Christmas right after this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, dad, if you're listening, turn off your radio. Judy and I are going to order my pop some fabulous Omaha steaks again this year. As we so often do. He doesn't need stuff. He needs deliciousness. He needs great meat sizzling on the grill for himself and his friends. Love it. Every steak from Omaha Steaks is aged perfectly to maximize tenderness and hand cut by master butchers in America's heartland, not communist China. And it's so delicious.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Here's what I'm getting myself for Christmas this year, which probably makes me an odd duck, but I'm going to display this prominently in my living room. It's an actual propaganda poster from China from 1959 during the Great Leap Forward. Came across it at a store in San Francisco. It's the actual original poster and it's pretty large and it's got this smiling little girl on there and it says 1960 is made in 1959. They're looking forward to the great year of 1960 and how it's gonna. The great. The greatness of the Great Leap Forward is going to continue in the country with the aim of increasing steel production and a variety of other things. The Great Leap Forward, if you're not a student of China, during that time killed somewhere between 25 and 40 million people. The upper ends, 40 million people died, mostly starving to death because of the government trying to take control over agriculture and steel production and everything else. And this poster from the government with this smiling little girl on it and the happy, happy words on it I find absolutely chilling and amazing. And to think, and if you think that that can't happen again anywhere in the world, you are so wrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? And American school kids, they learn about the Nazis when they learn about history at all, but they mostly learn about how evil the US Is. But, but nobody ever teaches about communism in schools and universities in spite of its practically incomprehensible track record for starving people to death and murdering them.

[Joe Getty]

Well, governments have Killed more of their own people than other countries have. This has always been true. I don't know why I don't teach that. I suppose they're not going to teach that in a government school. You don't need to overreact to that. All government isn't bad. You have to have a government, obviously. But the most deadly thing on planet Earth is country's own governments.

[Jack Armstrong]

Your own government. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely true.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, I look forward to having that poster prominently displayed and boring my kids to tears with an explanation of why I put it up.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you know what's funny is if you were to get an analogous Nazi propaganda poster and put that up in your living room, it would probably be two days in that somebody. Not that you entertain that much, but if somebody saw that, you know, your career could be over.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

Proudly displays Nazi memorabilia. You know, with all due respect to the horrors and evil of the Nazi regime, they were punks in killing people compared to communism.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, Stalin or Mao. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, if I had an old Nazi poster in my living room, that would be looked at different and there's no reason for it. The same point would be, isn't this amazing? Look how far off track a government can get.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it a smiling little girl holding Hitler's hand and looking up lovingly.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I would lose my job over that one. That's an interesting, interesting note. I'm glad you pointed that out. Maybe I'll rethink this more on the way. Stay tuned.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Joe Getty]

We melted some butter right here. I'm gonna dip this in our butter. Ooo, this is trending on TikTok. Then we're gonna put a little kosher salt on top of this. Here we go. I'm gonna give that the final taste. Butter ice cream and salt. Mmm. Wow. Not approved by my doctor.

[Jack Armstrong]

So what is that?

[Joe Getty]

Soft serve vanilla. You dip it in butter and then.

[Jack Armstrong]

You put kosher salt on top of it.

[Joe Getty]

You dip your ice cream in butter?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. No, I don't.

What that Is everybody else picturing having their mouth coated with like butter?

[Jacob Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Oh, how do I get rid of that?

[Joe Getty]

Man, this time of year is tough.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, please.

[Joe Getty]

Stuff everywhere and then plus just the. I guess it's like vacation where the spending in calories don't count on vacation. Same with the Christmas season. The money and the food goes together somehow. It's like you're spending money like you don't normally spend it and you eat like you don't normally eat. And it's just, it's weird psychologically. I can't. I was trying to wrap my head around it as I ate last night. Like, why do I, why am I approaching this completely differently than I'm going to on January 15th? That makes no sense.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I know, I know. It's odd. There's. If you are festive, you are eating in, I was gonna say western culture, but I don't know, virtually every culture.

[Joe Getty]

Gotta add a chicken pot pie at a restaurant last night. Best chicken pot pie I've ever had. Then I had a piece of pumpkin pie after the chicken pot pie. Oh, man. It was a pie theme. Pie.

[Jack Armstrong]

So much pie.

[Joe Getty]

And there is a Santa at the restaurant walking around taking pictures of people. I mean, how do you. What? What? Come on.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're all feeling a nice butter dipped ice cream. Delicious. Yeah. There was the golf course. There's. They had out candied pecans. No almonds like cinnamon. Candied almonds that were spectacularly good. I would never in my life seek those out.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, one's not gonna hurt you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Buy them. One what?

[Joe Getty]

Just, just a couple's not gonna hurt you. And then.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, or 25.

[Joe Getty]

Next time you go buy me a couple more.

[Jack Armstrong]

I say I gotta grab a handful. Yeah. Pop them in my mouth. Deliciousness. I mean, they are almonds.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, exactly. They're practically healthy.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's healthy. It's a healthy snack, honey. Ilhan Omar making the rounds, trying to explain away the rampant theft of zillions of dollars by some of her buddies in the Minneapolis Somali community. And a reporter sticking it to the weakest act in America, Tim Waltz. All of that coming up next hour. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

So you're going to jump on the anti Somali bias that is sweeping the now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stop it, please. You can't bully me with that crap. I calls them as I sees them. Facts are facts no matter how they make you feel.

[Joe Getty]

New York Times had an unbelievably long and detailed story that I read all of yesterday and then highlighted some of we'll get to about the Biden administration and immigration. I just was fascinated by it. All the advisors around Joe Biden were telling him, look, this is a disaster before it even started. We're gonna have millions of people coming into this country. Then during it, they were telling him, we've got millions of people coming into the country and then toward the end of it they were saying millions of people coming in. Polly, look at the polls on this. People hate this. And they just couldn't convince him to do anything.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Because they were so worried about their left flank, the Wokest Pete crowd out there about how and in specific, Latinos as they call them in the Biden White House. Hispanics who ended up voting for Trump because they hated it. Latinxes so it's not like he wasn't aware he was being told by his own crowd throughout the entire thing and he just was blind to it. Of course he's senile.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Completely senile. Oh that reminds me, don't we have a new Joe Biden clip?

[Joe Getty]

He spoke over the weekend. He was given some LGBTQ prize for being the most LGBTQ trans friendly president in our history.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nice job, jackass.

[Joe Getty]

He said some things and sounded ancient. Among other things we've got coming up Armstrong and Getty.

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