I'm About Arguments... Not Genitals

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand: "I'm About Arguments... Not Genitals" – Episode Summary

Release Date: December 5, 2024
Host: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Description: The official, On-Demand podcast of The Armstrong & Getty Show! Accept no substitutes!

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1. Tennessee Supreme Court Hearing on Transgender Healthcare

The episode delves deeply into the contentious Supreme Court hearing regarding Tennessee's recently enacted law that bans gender-affirming medical treatments for minors. Jack Armstrong initiates the discussion with a critical analysis of the law, arguing its unconstitutional nature due to its discriminatory stance based on sex.

Jack Armstrong [01:24]: "Tennessee is trying to say, no, you can't do experimental and permanent treatments on the basis of no science that hurts kids for the rest of their lives because you got some weird gender ideology that nobody had ever heard of a decade ago."

Joe Getty adds perspective on the court's dynamics, highlighting the questioning style of Justices Sotomayor and Jackson. Armstrong criticizes the justices for their perceived ideological biases, questioning their ability to remain neutral.

Jack Armstrong [02:02]: "I will, on the other hand, also admit that sometimes, I mean, because she's not a stupid, law school is hard and she graduated at the top of her class. I disagree with her vehemently on the country and the Constitution and the rest of it, but she's not dumb."

2. Legal Arguments and Constitutionality

Armstrong and Getty dissect the legal arguments presented in the case, emphasizing the flawed interpretation of the 14th Amendment by the plaintiffs who argue that denying transgender treatments constitutes sex discrimination. Armstrong contends that the amendment was primarily intended to address racial discrimination, not sex-based issues.

Jack Armstrong [06:15]: "The 14th Amendment was all about race. There is a presumption in law, as there should be, that it bars irrational distinctions on the basis of race because there's a presumption that most, if not, well, most discrimination based on race is irrational."

The hosts argue that sex differences are inherent and rational, citing longstanding societal practices such as gender-specific bathrooms and sports, which have always recognized biological distinctions.

3. Parental Rights in Medical Decision-Making

A significant portion of the discussion centers on parental rights versus minors' autonomy in making medical decisions related to gender transition. Getty emphasizes the often-overlooked aspect of parental involvement:

Joe Getty [11:25]: "Parental rights is often not discussed. It's viewed as sort of the weaker of the panoply of rights that we supposedly hold. But many parents are objecting that their children can't even get an aspirin in school without their consent. But they can get so much else that might change their identity and set them on a path that they want to be part of that decision making."

Armstrong echoes this sentiment, highlighting the inconsistency in medical consent laws that allow certain treatments without parental approval while restricting others deemed more permanent or experimental.

4. The Assassination of United Healthcare CEO

Transitioning from legal debates, Armstrong and Getty address the shocking assassination of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. They explore various theories surrounding the motive behind the murder, scrutinizing potential connections to the healthcare industry's controversial policies.

Jack Armstrong [22:17]: "The U.S. supreme Court appears ready to allow Tennessee's ban on transgender healthcare for children... [later discussing Thompson's assassination] The question is what does the message really mean? What you can glean from it."

The hosts speculate whether the attack was a targeted message against the insurance sector or a random act of violence, discussing the implications for corporate security and industry stability.

5. Market Trends and Personal Anecdotes

Shifting gears, Armstrong and Getty briefly touch upon current market trends, particularly the surge in AI-driven investments. They share personal stories about missed opportunities, reflecting on the volatile nature of stock markets.

Joe Getty [30:18]: "Unfair on my part. I got some serious foma going on. Fear of missing out. Not specifically around bitcoin, although that's some of it."

Armstrong humorously recounts his investment missteps, emphasizing the unpredictability and risks associated with market speculation.

6. Advances in Weight Loss Medications

The conversation then shifts to the latest developments in weight loss pharmaceuticals, specifically comparing Eli Lilly's ZepBound with existing treatments like Wegovy and Ozempic. Armstrong highlights ZepBound's superior performance in clinical trials, noting significant weight loss advantages.

Jack Armstrong [38:07]: "They say that Zepbound, which still sounds like a coming-of-age movie set in the '70s to me. Not a drug. It beat Wegovy in the first head-to-head study pretty solidly..."

Getty questions the long-term efficacy and sustainability of such treatments, reiterating the common concern of whether patients can maintain weight loss post-treatment.

Joe Getty [40:52]: "Does it stay off? It hasn't been around long enough."

7. International Political Developments

In the final segments, the hosts briefly discuss recent political events overseas, notably the President of South Korea's surprise declaration of martial law. They commend the resilience of South Korean institutions in handling such unprecedented challenges.

Jack Armstrong [37:31]: "Political drama overseas yesterday when the President of South Korea declared surprise martial law. That's actually really impressive."

Conclusion

Armstrong and Getty conclude the episode by reinforcing their commitment to discussing pivotal social and political issues, asserting their stance on fostering informed arguments over baseless debates.

Joe Getty [35:47]: "So, yeah, Armstrong and Getty, looking for excitement."

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Notable Quotes:

• Jack Armstrong [01:24]: "Tennessee is trying to say, no, you can't do experimental and permanent treatments on the basis of no science that hurts kids for the rest of their lives because you got some weird gender ideology that nobody had ever heard of a decade ago."

• Joe Getty [11:25]: "Parental rights is often not discussed. It's viewed as sort of the weaker of the panoply of rights that we supposedly hold."

• Jack Armstrong [02:02]: "I disagree with her vehemently on the country and the Constitution and the rest of it, but she's not dumb."

• Joe Getty [40:52]: "Does it stay off? It hasn't been around long enough."

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This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand meticulously unpacks the legal, social, and personal ramifications of Tennessee's transgender healthcare law, intertwining it with broader discussions on corporate security and market dynamics. Through incisive commentary and candid analysis, Armstrong and Getty offer listeners a comprehensive examination of the pressing issues shaping contemporary discourse.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty.

[Jay Shetty]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is a law that bans medical treatment only when it is prescribed inconsistent with an individual sex. Our argument is that that treats people differently because of their sex, and therefore the court has to treat it like all other forms of sex discrimination. And that's why it's unconstitutional.

[Joe Getty]

All right.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is the recent convert to Felidom. Oh, why you got to mention Strangio, who's, I think, given the obviously female voice and everything. And it's a. It's a transgender person.

[Joe Getty]

I'm about arguments, not genitals. I'm Jack Armstrong.

[Jay Shetty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good stuff. So, anyway, that is the trans lawyer speaking before the Supreme Court hearing in which the Tennessee law, which banned. I'm going to try to be neutral here. Hormonal and chemical treatments for youth who believe they suffer from gender dysphoria. Now, I will describe it in the way it ought to be described. Tennessee is trying to say, no, you can't do experimental and permanent treatments on the basis of no science that hurts kids for the rest of their lives because you got some weird gender ideology that nobody had ever heard of a decade ago.

[Joe Getty]

Hertz kids all respond the same as Sotomayor. Every medical treatment has risks, including taking an aspirin that that is one of.

[Jack Armstrong]

The most astoundingly stupid things ever uttered in the Supreme Court up to and including when the Supreme Court janitor came upon something strange in the toilet bowl and said, what's that? A fish that was smarter than what Sotomayor said. I will, on the other hand, also admit that sometimes, I mean, because she's not a stupid, law school is hard and she graduated at the top of her class. I disagree with her vehemently on the country and the Constitution and the rest of it, but she's not dumb. Often the justices will probe the attorney's arguments looking for weaknesses on their own side of the point of view. So I'm not going to presume that Sonia Sotomayor is that blank and stupid. On the other hand, she and Ketanji Brown Jackson are so fricking ideology ideological, I can barely stand it. But want to play a couple of highlights of some of the questions and answers with the attorneys and then, then I've come across a really, absolutely terrific breakdown of what the case is and why it's clearly, clearly going to be decided and must be decided on the, well, our side of the question and for what it's worth, blah, blah, blah, disclaimer about reading tea leaves, blah, blah, blah. The questioning is often Zaba, Zaba, Zaba. It certainly sounded as if the conservative majority has no intention of letting this lawsuit stand. And just so you understand, because there's been some confusion I've sense through reading emails, the state of Tennessee said, no, you can't do these bizarro completely unsupportable by science procedures on kids. You gotta stop. And the plaintiffs are saying, well, that sex discrimination cause you can feed testosterone to a boy who lacks testosterone, but you won't feed it to a girl who's momentarily confused about her gender. That's, that's a violation of the 14th Amendment. An assertion that would have the writers of the 14th Amendment either shaking their head in wonderment or guffawing out loud, in my opinion.

[Joe Getty]

So the question is whether or not states can outlaw this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, Exactly. Yeah, as 26 have. And it'll be 50 if there is a God soon. This is indeed Matthew Price, who's arguing in favor of sanity And Sotomayor in 43, please, Michael. Cannot eliminate the risk of detransitioners. So it becomes a pure exercise of weighing benefits versus risk. And the question of how many minors.

[Joe Getty]

Have to have their bodies irreparably harmed.

[Jack Armstrong]

For unproven benefits is one that is best left. I'm sorry, counselor. Every Medical treatment has a risk. Even taking aspirin. There is always going to be a percentage of the population under any medical treatment that's going to suffer a harm. So the question in my mind is not, do policymakers decide whether one person's life is more valuable than the millions of others who get relief from this treatment? The question is, can you stop one sex from the other?

[Joe Getty]

Well, now that I hear it in context, she was not probing. She actually, that's her argument.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, she's as stupid as I said she wasn't in the way that ideology can. Can like numb intelligence and remove it from the equation.

[Joe Getty]

So she's buying that. I meant to look this up because I remember the origin of the whole they'll kill themselves if you don't operate them on thing was incredibly shaky slash fraudulent. Paper was put out based on hardly anything. And people so in support of these trans operations for kids have turned it into like a golden rule that we all just agree with. If you don't let a kid get operated on, they're gonna kill themselves. So is that what you want? You want a dead kid? Well, then you better give them the operation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Unbelievable. So you ever worked in a place where the new person in the organization dominates all the meetings? What do you think of that person? Well, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, who's the new kid on the block, talks like twice as much as the second place person. She dominates this stuff all of a sudden, for what it's worth, I don't know. But she's a nut. That's the main problem. She's a nut.

[Joe Getty]

42, Michael, you know, as I read the statute here. Excuse me, the case here, you know, the court starts off by saying that Virginia is Now one of 16 states which prohibit and punish marriages on the basis of racial classifications. And when you look at the structure of that law, it looks in terms of inconsistent. You know, you can't do something that is inconsistent with your own characteristics. It's sort of the same thing. So it's interesting to me that we.

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[Joe Getty]

And I wonder whether Virginia could have gotten away with what they did here by just making a classification argument the way that Tennessee is in this case.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, I think that's exactly right. That there is absolutely a parallel between any law that says you can't act inconsistent with a protected characteristic. Jackson and the lawyer for the US Government which is arguing against sanity. Thanks, Joe. Biden are saying that, well, it looks like we could ban interracial marriage because it's very Similar. Which ignores a giant, huge aspect of the question here that I'll get into in a bit. I can't even believe serious attorneys are making that argument. I'm astounded.

[Joe Getty]

So that was kbj, Ketanji, Brown, Jackson. So in case you didn't fully catch what Joe said, at the end of every Supreme Court session, they add up the number of words everybody said. So you can see who talked the most. And they put out the chart like a week or so ago. And she as the newest justice.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Talked twice as much as the chattiest other justice. Most of the other ones were like a third of what she talked to a tenth. Who does that, who shows up to a new workplace as the brand new person and is the. And talks twice as much as everybody else. What kind of personality is that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Progressive activist.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now representing sanity Justice Alito, talking to the wispy, bearded young Mr. Strongio. 45. But on page 195 of Cast Report, it says there is no evidence that gender affirmative treatments reduce suicide. What I think that is referring to is there is no evidence in the.

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Studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide. And the reason for that is completed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Suicide thankfully and admittedly is rare. And we're talking about a very small population of individuals with studies that don't.

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Necessarily have completed suicides within them. However, there are.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, he gets kind of rambling there. The point is, and Alito brought this up in several different contexts, saying, hey, there's no evidence for what you're claiming. In fact, the Cass report, this other report, the study out of Norway, they've all contradicted what you're claiming and their science is sound and he was greeted with mumbo jumbo. I also want to get justice Kavanaugh on 46.

[Joe Getty]

If it's evolving like that and changing and England's pulling back and Sweden's pulling back, it strikes me as pretty heavy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yellow light, if not red light for.

[Joe Getty]

This court to come in. The nine of us and this constitutionalize the whole area. When the rest of the world, or at least the people who. The countries that have been at the forefront of this are, you know, pumping.

[Jack Armstrong]

The brakes on this kind of treatment.

[Joe Getty]

Because of concerns about the risks. Yeah, I like Kavanaugh's argument. Like it's. It's a bit of a judo. It's like you're saying that the science is much more solid than it actually is, but if it's so, you know, strong on both sides, then let's leave it to the States is what Kavanaugh.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is saying, yeah, it's kind of the old double reverse in that he's saying we're not going to turn this into a constitutional issue that prevents states from doing what all of these countries are saying should be done. Get out of here with that. You know, I want to get just to make a point real quickly. Jonathan Turley in 48. Michael Lynn will move on to what I think is fantastic analysis.

[Joe Getty]

Parental rights is often not discussed. It's viewed as sort of the weaker of the panoply of rights that we supposedly hold. But many parents are objecting that their children can't even get an aspirin in school without their consent. But they can get so much else that might change their identity and set them on a path that they want to be part of that decision making.

[Jack Armstrong]

They want to play a role.

[Joe Getty]

They know that child better than anyone. Yeah. If you've ever been in that situation.

[Jack Armstrong]

I have.

[Joe Getty]

I think you have too, Joe. I think you've talked about over the years where, yeah, give my kid. They got a horrible headache. They can't see straight. Give them a freaking ibuprofen. Well, we can't unless you come down here and sign a piece of paper. But you'll start calling them by a different name.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Or whisk them off to a clinic to have an abortion. Aspirin, no. Abortion, yes. See, they claim, the progressive activists claim principles. They don't hold those principles. They know ideally, conservatives operate based on principle. Progressive activists operate merely on the lust for victory. They don't hold keeping your kids safe as a principle. They pretend to, except when it serves them. Now, that fantastic analysis, that will help you understand what's going on here. I apologize. We got to take a quick break first and then we will get to that after a word from our friends at Omaha Steaks. Perfect gift, especially for, you know, anybody but dads, grandpas, whatever. My dad loves it every time I send him Omaha Steaks. The quality of the steaks, trust me, is fantastic.

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[Joe Getty]

So we got that thing Joe mentioned wrapping up the trans Supreme Court thing. And also that CEO for United Healthcare. There's a lot of people happy he got gunned down, which is sick. So stay tuned for that.

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[Jack Armstrong]

The U.S. supreme Court appears ready to allow Tennessee's ban on transgender healthcare for children. Tennessee's law bans puberty blockers and hormone therapy for transgender minors and imposes civil penalties against physicians who violate the law. The tapster there. So here's the deal. The people challenging the Tennessee law that the Supreme Court heard oral arguments on Yesterday, banning cruel experiments on confused adolescents in the name of radical gender ideology are claiming the 14th Amendment, which demands equal treatment under the law, is at stake here, that if a boy can get testosterone for some legitimate medical problem, then a girl must be able to get testosterone for gender bending reasons, or else it's a violation of the 14th Amendment, which is a bizarre and wildly incorrect interpretation. And here's why. The 14th amendment, and indeed the. Well, the 14th amendment says nothing about sex discrimination.

[Joe Getty]

Probably says nothing about women with penises.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no, I never, never come across.

[Joe Getty]

That in the Federalist Papers.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, and they make the point in the National Review that the people who are behind the 14th amendment would be baffled by the claim that they were creating a constitutional right for confused children to take powerful drugs that irreversibly change their genitals. But anyway, here's the problem. The 14th Amendment was all about race. There is a presumption in law, as there should be, that it bars irrational distinctions on the basis of race because there's a presumption that most, if not, well, most discrimination based on race is irrational. I don't like black people. They shouldn't be married to white people. Whatever. That's just not rational. Now, should black people have more testing for sickle cell anemia? That's not irrational. That's a very rare but strong example of a rational distinction on race. Sex is different and has a different level of scrutiny. Differences in sex. Because there has long been recognized, and by long I mean, like since the dawn of man, that there are differences, rational differences between men and women, which is why forever we have had men's bathrooms and women's bathrooms and locker rooms and sports and a thousand other examples having to do with medical care and society and the rest of it. Different level of scrutiny completely. Sex differences are real. And by the way, it's worth mentioning, humanity wouldn't exist without those differences. And what fun it is to combine those two differences and make a baby or at least practice the act. Wow. Exactly. So the specific question before the court in the Skirmetti cases, the Tennessee case, is whether the level of scrutiny that's applied to racial stuff should be applied to sex stuff. In other words, the lawyers for the radical gender theory folks are saying that there's no. There's practically no rational differences between men and women. It's all imagined. It goes to the heart of radical gender theory. Exactly. It's a social construct. The Biden administration puke and the individual challengers, Tennessee law argue that it is sex discrimination to restrict gender transition treatments but not block it for little boys who need it. Whatever. So it's the level of scrutiny question. I won't get too far into legal weeds, but it asked the question backwards. As this writer puts it. The equal protection question always comes down to whether a distinction is rational and the distinctions between men and women are 100% rational. I can see we're kind of running out of time. Even the Solicitor General conceded that Tennessee could ban a drug that was useful only in sex transitioning because then the state is regulating the treatment, not its purpose. And they engage in wild and woolly semantic argument that just doesn't hold any water. And again rests on the idea that there's no rational difference between men and women, which is one of the most idiotic philosophies ever offered to humankind. And the fact that some over educated white people have fallen for this mostly and other people too. It's just. It's a measure of how ideology can sweep away intelligence. So go get them Supreme Court. No way. This challenge of the law stands and God willing someday that the 26 states that ban this crap will turn into 50.

[Joe Getty]

Lots of stuff to talk about the killing of the United Healthcare CEO, which has brought out the worst in some people. Do you see Hunter Biden at the Arby's in Ventura yesterday? He looked pretty happy. You talk about a guy who's had a lot of weight lifted off his shoulders. He is happy at the Arby's.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

You have a killer who is trying to send a message. The question is what does the message really mean? What you can glean from it. If the target was carefully selected, the head of a major healthcare insurance entity is is it directed at UnitedHealthcare? Is it directed at that CEO or is this a killer who is targeting the insurance industry which has caused everybody from hospital executives to insurance providers yesterday to start doubling and tripling the security around their top people.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's interesting. That's what I thought yesterday is that this is going to be a lot about at least the speculation is going to be a lot about does it have something to do with healthcare and insurance in this country and the way a lot of people look at it and get angry about it and all that sort of stuff. That was John Miller on CNN. Here's former FBI Director McCabe on CNN talking about it. The details and nuances of this attack are extraordinary.

[Jay Shetty]

They do betray an astounding level of pre planning of organization and I should also say cool headedness and all of those things together would point towards a very competent assass, potentially even someone who does this for hire.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to eavesdrop on Carter Page.

[Joe Getty]

Right? That's something that he did. All the things he did and he's the go to on CNN for expertise.

[Jack Armstrong]

All those intelligence guys Brennan and that whole cabal started distract back to you.

[Joe Getty]

So the CEO of United Healthcare gets murdered, assassinated in cold blood. I've heard back and forth with experts and know a lot more about this than me on clearly a professional assassin. This, this, this and then clearly not because of this, this and this. Like going to the Starbucks and standing in line for five minutes for your latte and being on camera right before you go and shoot the guy for instance, leaving a phone behind.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Yeah. And I came across a Twitter thread of a firearms expert debunking half a dozen things he saw catching fire online. This is clearly that. And he said no, it's Not.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So, yeah, spouting crap.

[Joe Getty]

We always say the first 24 hours, don't believe anything you hear because it might turn out to be completely different. And it might be that way for a couple of days here. But some interesting stuff around here, around this, for instance. The first story I heard yesterday afternoon was about how he was being investigated for some stock trading where he looks like he got some inside information, dumped a bunch of stocks. Like millions of dollars involved in this. Dumped a bunch of stock right before some announcement was going to be made, and it was being investigated for that. You could have friends you're involved with, who they're afraid you're going to flip and tell, you know, so obviously that's a possibility.

[Jack Armstrong]

His wife, you need better friends.

[Joe Getty]

They start doing crimes like that. And colleagues.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

He and his wife have been living separate for a year. Okay. Anytime you got that going on, there's probably, you know, jealous lovers, anger, divorce, child custody, who knows what.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure could be.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's a possibility. And then he runs United Healthcare, giant, giant insurance company in America. And a lot of people get pretty worked up about when insurance turns them down for this or that. A lot of people do.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or if somebody they care about deeply dies because they couldn't get the paperwork to go through. Yeah. There could be violent passions for a lot of different reasons in this case.

[Joe Getty]

And then if it turns out that there were words written on the bullets, that's pretty interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd say that's that silly Agatha Christie stuff. Yeah, that doesn't happen in real life.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's interesting. So he shoots a guy in cold blood and he's wearing that jacket, and you've probably seen the pictures, if you're into this at all, and you can't see his face, and he just walks down the street and heads towards Central park and disappears and he's on the loose in Manhattan somewhere. Or if he's like an actual professional assassin, he, you know, he's on a plane to Mexico by the end of the day. Who would be paying for that? I don't know. But I mean, if you start doing stock weirdness at the. To the tunes of millions of dollars, you're talking about wealthy people being involved, and then anything is possible. This stuff bothered me a lot, though. So here's a professor, his name is Zenkas. Professor Zenkos at Columbia University. Here's his tweet yesterday, after this happened. Today we mourn the death of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, gunned down. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Today we mourn the deaths of 68,000Americans who needlessly die each year so that insurance company execs like Brian Thompson can become multimillionaires. That's from a Columbia professor. How do you like that?

[Jack Armstrong]

Boy, Columbia is just teeming with nut jobs. I mean, there's a case to be made on that topic, sure, but what convinces you? Well, you know what? It's. Again, a tangent. Came across another example of this sort of thing, and this guy was writing an editorial that was really good about how university presidents have to not be so bubbled and have to understand, you know, how their conservative students feel. His purpose was really good, but his words revealed the extent to which academics live in this artificial little world that the rest of us can't even dream of. It's like Rivendell on the Lord of the Rings movies. They've got no competition. There's no economic ups and downs. They've got tenure. What the hell is tenure? I've spent every day of my career thinking this is the last day. Anyway, so. Yeah, so this guy has such a bizarro unreal existence, he thinks this is a good idea.

[Joe Getty]

Barry Weiss's response to that, the great Barry Weiss was, this is a Columbia professor and trauma expert. That's one of his things. People have lost their minds. I don't know who this guy is. He's a. He's an activist on the left and writes for a bunch of publications I've never heard of. So whether he's a big deal or not, I don't know. But here was his tweet. The gunman is at large. So if you see anything. No, you effing didn't protect this person. Also do more. That's a hero. That's my effing hero right there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Wow. You are a sick f friend.

[Joe Getty]

Another prominently placed lefty, and this is absolute nut picking. I mean, it's easy to pick up. Pick out crazy people on the right and crazy people on the left and then try to make a narrative like they all believe.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, but they're all lunatic right wing conservative professors. For me, I'll give you all day.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, that's a. That's an excellent point. Another person that I don't. I don't know who they were, but why wouldn't we just be sending emails to all the other CEOs of the health care companies saying you're on the list too? That sort of thing. So.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, because we all know cold blooded murder in the streets is the way to effect positive policy changes. In a civilization, you people, seriously, you know, there's about 20. Well, I'll just go domestically. There's about 15% of the population of this great country that I have written off. They're ugly, they're idiots, they're bigots, whatever. And I accept their existence and I try not to get stirred up at them because I don't want them to have that power over me. But holy cow, some people are twisted.

[Joe Getty]

I do have a little bit of foma switching gears now. Do you have more on the killing?

[Jack Armstrong]

Not really. I wish the inspectors the best of luck in uncovering the clues and bringing the scumbag to justice.

[Joe Getty]

You want to make a quick guess? I'm still willing to go with nut.

[Jack Armstrong]

Job, but random nut job. I'll give you a 50 to 1 against.

[Joe Getty]

Really? I think he probably has some sort of health care story, but he's also a nut job.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, well, yeah. Well, yeah. As I was making the point. Anybody who thinks that murder in the streets is the way to affect some sort of positive change is by definition a nut job. So, yeah, unfair.

[Joe Getty]

Unfair on my part. I got some serious foma going on. Fear of missing out. Not specifically around bitcoin, although that's some of it. The fact that it's up 40% since election day and I don't have any bitcoin and I've never got into it. The article in the Wall Street Journal today about how Wall street is partying like it's 1998 as AI fuels gains unmatched since the dot com era.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah. The markets are insane.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. With all kinds of specific things that you know. And I'm into this and I've been watching it go up now for months. I could have jumped in and I didn't. That's where my FOMO comes from. Of course, if you remember the dot com era, it had a kind of hilarious ending.

[Jack Armstrong]

There were all. Some.

[Joe Getty]

There were. Well, I never got involved in that one either.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I entire fortune in dog food dot com. And now you're laughing, you bastard.

[Joe Getty]

I didn't get in on that one either, so. But you know, a whole bunch of things that weren't actually ever going to be successful that became billion dollar companies then disappeared overnight. Will happen again.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Did I, Did I talk about the. My Asian stock tip lift driver on the air or did that happen during vacation that might happen during vacation?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I didn't. I haven't heard of this.

[Joe Getty]

So I got a flat tire in my Tesla, which was highly annoying. And it's like the sixth one I've had. Because electric cars are so heavy that they wear out tires really, really fast. That's another thing that you don't hear about a lot from the people pushing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Gavin Newsom hasn't mentioned that, but.

[Joe Getty]

And because I have a very specific tire and a very specific car, they were gonna have my car for, like, four days because of a flat tire. That's insane. Anywho, my F250, which I drive, I've had zero flat tires, and if I had one, I would change it in five minutes. Anyway, this is not the.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know what you gotta do. This is. I don't care what you got to do. You got to pile up all the Tesla tires that have gone flat in your backyard, them ablaze, and have a protest tire fire.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that would get attention.

[Jack Armstrong]

It would get coverage worldwide.

[Joe Getty]

It would. It actually would. And I just keep mentioning Armstrong and Getty. So I have to take a lift to go pick up my car after the. Because I got a rental car anyway. I'm. I'm riding with this guy. He's got a thick Asian accent that I wish I could do because it makes the story more entertaining, but I would get canceled for it. But he was. He was an older guy. First thing he asked me when I get in, he said, car broke down. And I said, oh, I got close to doing an accent there. Don't do it, Jack. And I said, no, I got flat tire in my Tesla. He was driving a Tesla, and he said, oh, yeah, they get a lot. Flat tire. He said, tesla's a good stock, though. You have any stocks? He says, the lift driver.

[Jack Armstrong]

I said, yeah, I got quite a few.

[Joe Getty]

He said, what are you mostly invested in? I said, I got a guy. I'm invested in lots of stuff. I don't really pay attention. That close. He said, oh, y'all pay attention. I bought Tesla stock a long time ago. I got about $900,000 worth of Tesla stock. I bought it early, and everything I got said. I said, wow, good for you. I said, my stock guy, like, 10 years ago told me it was going to go down and it was a bad idea, so I didn't get into Tesla, similar to why I didn't get into Bitcoin and Nvidia and a whole bunch of other stuff. But he just kept going. He said, oh, you got to pay attention. He said, I got Tesla and I got Nvidia. He said, I got in on that early, so I'm doing. I said. I said, so do you Drive Lyft for fun? He said, yeah, I drive it for fun. I like to talk to people. I mostly, I like to talk stocks. And I said, Well, I bought 50,000.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bucks worth of Apple stock in 1992. I now have $70 million. But what did you say, a right turn ahead?

[Joe Getty]

I said, I gather that. Or I thought I gather that. Do you like to talk about stocks? As. It was the first thing he asked me when I got in the car and he talked about the entire drive. And I said, my dad, and he was an older guy, like retired, and I said, you and my dad would get along. I said, because my dad does that all. All he does is like watch the stock stuff all day long and buy and sell. And that's just. His life is following this stuff. And he said, oh, yeah, yeah, that's what I do all day long. It's the only thing I read. It's the only news I follow. And anyway, we got onto Tesla and he said, I hate the cybertruck. And I said, well, that's interesting. You got all the Tesla psyche. It looks like a three year old drew it. You give a three year old a crayon, that's what they draw.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, it does have rather simple lines.

[Joe Getty]

I thought that was pretty. I thought that was hilarious. He was a. He was, he was like. He was a simple guy who, you know, decided to pay attention to the wins and has made a whole bunch of money that way. And I feel like I'm not doing that and should spend more time doing that because the AI thing has exploded and a whole bunch of stuff clearly was going to be hot. And it has been.

[Jack Armstrong]

Whether it's investing or betting on politics, which I've talked about. I have my New Year's resolution already. I've got 26 days of relaxing now. I've got it for 2025. I'm going to be greedier.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah, if it's. Greed is good, as was famously said in the movie Wall street, you know, if that drives you to pay there, why not?

[Jack Armstrong]

You know what else is good? Not spending more than you make. France is falling apart as predicted. And it is absolutely a big French canary in a coal mine that we'd better pay attention to in this country or we will follow a similar path.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's what the Doge project is about.

[Jack Armstrong]

Le path de doom.

[Joe Getty]

I do want to talk about Hunter at Arby's because there's.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good story.

[Joe Getty]

Hunter Biden at Arby's yesterday.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

If you were in Ventura, did you see Hunter Biden at the Arby's? Man, did he have a big smile on his face? And why wouldn't he? Lots of stuff on the way. Stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Political drama overseas yesterday when the President of South Korea declared surprise martial law. That's actually really impressive. You know how hard it is to.

[Joe Getty]

Throw a surprise martial law.

[Jack Armstrong]

You have to get the entire military to hide behind the couch and then be quiet at the same time. Turn off the tank. Turn off the tank.

[Joe Getty]

That is an amazing story. And the fact that it came and got as crazy as it did, but didn't go all the way and then got settled down in a multi hour period is really something.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. That the institutions of South Korea held in the face of that challenge is great. It's cool. And this is why I'm not worried about there being warfare in the streets and civil war or Trump becoming Hitler or any of that crap. Our Constitution, our systems are way, way stronger and more resilient than South Korea's. So anyway, coming up, how does that cup of coffee in the morning actually do what it does physiologically, psychologically? I came across a like a blow by blow, your first sip. And if you're a fiend addict like us, it's pretty interesting. Kind of fun. I was hoping to get to it this segment, but we jabbered on so much. Last segment. This one's going to be kind of short. I thought this was notable, Eli Lilly's Zep Bound, which still sounds like a coming of age movie set in the 70s to me. Not a drug. It beat Wegovy in the first head to head study pretty solidly among your semi glue tied superpower weight loss drugs that are so popular these days. People who took the Zep Bound lost 17 pounds more on average after 72 weeks of treatment. 72 weeks, that's a good long trial than those that were given Wegovy.

[Joe Getty]

We're missing one of them. What's the name? The name I hear more often.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Godzilla.

[Joe Getty]

No, what's the one you know, Michael? Do you hear it all the time? Katie?

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[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[Joe Getty]

That's the one that gets all the talk like it's almost the generic term for these weight loss drugs. Drugs is Ozempic. But the Wegovy is the best.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'm trying to see if they, why did they not do Ozempic? It does not say.

[Joe Getty]

Have you, have you looked into this at all or considered it all? I haven't considered it. So I haven't been paying that much attention.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not, not seriously because you know, any weight related problems I have are fine at this point. Blood pressure is really the only one I think much about. Well, and it's, you know, I take a horse pill every day and that's.

[Joe Getty]

Probably not ideal, but my, mine, any weight situations I have would be. How about I try not eating all the crap I eat for a while.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because you could start there.

[Joe Getty]

Certainly that'd be a good place to start.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, people took Zepbound, lost 20% of their body weight on average. 20% of their body weight, 14% for WeGovy patients.

[Joe Getty]

The question though, as we all know, what is the number one question for weight loss?

[Jack Armstrong]

Number one, with a bullet, can you keep it off?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Does it stay off?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Does it or do we not know? It hasn't been around long enough.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, it does. If you do the right things.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are you going to do the right thing?

[Joe Getty]

No. Neither is anybody else.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, all right. Yeah, it's it's an ongoing battle. I've known people who have kept it off brilliantly, and plenty sure have not.

[Joe Getty]

And anybody who's lost weight knows that they were in a period of time where they were just so disciplined without ever cheating and just on the beam. And then when you got off the beam, you gained weight and you never quite could get back on the beam again. Not to the same level.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, Thanksgiving parade balloon, and I speak for myself here. So we're at war with China. I don't know if you've noticed, we're being invaded by Venezuelan gang members. And what's the third one? Oh, and the pets of the people who live there. Yes, and we're also going broke. So anyway, more to come. Stay with us, Armstrong and Getty.

[Jay Shetty]

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