I'm Missing Three Toes

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "I'm Missing Three Toes"

Date: December 1, 2025
Producer/Host: iHeartPodcasts
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

Episode Overview

The first show of December kicks off with the hosts’ classic blend of post-holiday wit, cultural critique, and commentary on the latest national security scandal. Fresh from Thanksgiving, the Armstrong & Getty team swaps overeating stories and then transitions into incisive, sometimes irreverent, dissections of the recent National Guard shooting, presidential politics, AI’s growing influence, and the manufactured nature of “pseudo-events” in American media. The episode is a mix of post-holiday banter, serious news breakdowns, and signature comedic asides.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Thanksgiving Recap and Holiday Weight Guilt

[03:02 – 06:00]

• The hosts and staff recount the holiday, focusing on how much weight they gained and sharing food excess stories.
• Michael: “I ate three fourths of a banana cream pie by myself ... I gotta think I'm up there a couple pounds, missy. Three toes too.” — self-deprecating reference to his diabetes and amputation.
• Joe: “I could eat apple pie for breakfast five days a week and not get tired of it.”
• Jack: “If I can do that for Christmas again, I'll be an entirely new zip code by the time the new year starts.”

2. Crafted Holidays & Media 'Events' (Cyber Monday, Black Friday)

[06:11 – 08:21]

• The hosts call out the contrivance of events like Cyber Monday and Black Friday, critiquing how media presents marketing constructs as organic news.
• Jack: “It is what is known as a pseudo event … You create an event and then report on it as if it’s something that happened out of the blue.” [06:26]
• Joe: “I should be amused by that. I’m not.” [06:50]

3. Re-entry to Work: Media Cynicism and What Matters

[07:09 – 08:21]

• Both hosts express post-holiday skepticism about the significance of much media and political discourse.
• Jack: “Most of the stuff we talk about is a waste of time.” [07:30]
• Joe: “It’s ugly and corrosive and it scars your soul and is performative and idiotic. That’s all, I would add.” [07:38]
• They resolve to focus on things that genuinely matter, decrying fixation on manufactured scandals.

4. Tragedy and Immediate Politicization (National Guard Shooting)

[08:25 – 09:46]

• Discussion about a National Guard member’s death and how media quickly pivots to blame-shifting.
• Jack: “It immediately went to, is it Biden or Trump? Which is just also very frustrating.” [08:57]
• Joe: “Usually, there’d be a little time spent assembling a fact or two.” [09:02]

5. Breaking News: Venezuelan Incident and Trump Administration Scandals

[09:47 – 10:21; 25:01 – 29:56]

• Tease of a story involving alleged war crimes after a US airstrike on a drug boat near Venezuela; ties to Secretary of War Pete Hegseth and Trump’s statements.
• Jack: “If those get nailed down, then that's quite the story ... Trump told Maduro ... you gotta get out of there or we’re going to kill you. Wow.” [09:47]
• On the airstrike investigation:
  • Joe: “According to the legal experts I’ve read ... if it is true, no, it’s murder.” [27:13]
  • Jack: “If it did happen, I guess Hegseth has to go and he gets prosecuted by somebody.” [28:07]

6. Cyber Monday and Artificial Intelligence in Shopping

[11:42 – 13:17]

• The growing role of AI in holiday shopping (e.g., OpenAI partnering with Walmart and Target, Amazon’s Rufus chatbot).
• Jack: “I took in so much AI information over the weekend ... I am more convinced than ever that this is very, very big. Maybe the biggest thing that’s ever happened on planet Earth … deserves discussion.” [13:01–13:16]

7. Light Banter: Pie Smoothies, TV by the Grill, and Marshmallow Jello Salad

[05:21, 37:25, 21:08]

• The team jokes about mixing all Thanksgiving food into a “shake” and enjoying football, and Jack’s happiness revelation about installing a TV by his grill.
• Jack: “I actually put it in a blender … It’s Thanksgiving. Put some mice in there.” [05:39]
  • Joe: “Some ice in there. Okay, some mice. What the hell?” [05:44]
• Joe: “No, I got the outdoor TV by the grill so when I’m grilling I can watch football, refreshment in hand. It was so great.” [37:25]
• Discussion of marshmallow-jello salads as a staple (and horror) of family gatherings.

8. Headlines Roundup & Reaction

[17:43 – 21:39]

• With Katie Green, the team runs through national picks:
  • National Guard shooting and immigration
  • Ukraine peace talks and Russia
  • US AI dominance in global economies
  • “Scromming” as a cannabis side effect
  • Lions with regional “roaring accents”
  • Thanksgiving food abominations

9. Mailbag & Listener Feedback

[41:33 – 45:16]

• Listeners comment on the relief of being away from the news, quality of “Best of” episodes, and re-airing of gross segments (e.g., “Brazilian butt lifts gone wrong”).
• Recognition of team’s work in putting the show together during the holiday break.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

“Most of the stuff we talk about is a waste of time.”
— Jack Armstrong, [07:30]

“It’s ugly and corrosive and it scars your soul and is performative and idiotic. That’s all, I would add.”
— Joe Getty, [07:38]

“It is what is known as a pseudo event … You create an event and then report on it as if it’s something that happened out of the blue.”
— Jack Armstrong, [06:26]

“If it is true, no, it’s murder. No ifs, ands or buts.”
— Joe Getty, [27:13], regarding the alleged airstrike on survivors

“I took in so much AI information over the weekend ... I am more convinced than ever that this is very, very big. Maybe the biggest thing that’s ever happened on planet Earth.”
— Jack Armstrong, [13:01]

“I actually put it in a blender … It’s Thanksgiving. Put some mice in there.”
— Jack Armstrong, (joking about Thanksgiving leftovers) [05:39]

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Topic | Speakers | Time | |:---------------------------------------- |:------------------- |:--------- | | Thanksgiving weight gain & eating tales | Jack, Joe, Michael | 03:02–06:00 | | Pseudo-events: Cyber Monday, Black Friday| Jack, Joe | 06:11–08:21 | | Media cynicism & what matters | Jack, Joe | 07:09–08:21 | | National Guard shooting politicization | Jack, Joe | 08:25–09:46 | | Venezuela/airstrike scandal intro | Jack, Joe | 09:47–10:21 | | Headline roundup with Katie Green | Katie, Jack, Joe | 17:43–21:39 | | Deep dive: Airstrike scandal & legality | Jack, Joe | 25:01–29:56 | | Listener mailbag & feedback | Jack, Joe | 41:33–45:16 |

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Tone and Style

The episode balances gallows humor and straight talk, with plenty of sarcasm about media conventions, zinger-filled banter, and a throughline of irreverence only Armstrong & Getty can deliver. While critical of media and politics, they regularly pivot to lighter personal anecdotes. The style is conversational, quick-witted, and high on chemistry.

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For New Listeners

If you missed the show:

• Expect equal parts news analysis and comic relief.
• The hosts tackle tough topics with skepticism (especially toward the media and political class), but always keep things moving with banter.
• Serious discussions (like the National Guard scandal) are explained clearly, with both the facts and the unanswered questions laid out for you.
• Cultural topics and “pseudo-events” are frequent targets for their wit.

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End of summary.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Today, broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast.

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Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty. Back live from studio.

[Joe Getty]

I see bums and junkies haven't stolen all the copper wire and everything still works. That's good. Good to be back.

[Jack Armstrong]

We are in a dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and getting communications compound to kick off a new week, a new month. And today we're under the tutelage of our general manager.

[Joe Getty]

The scale. The poor bathroom scale. Who will protect the scale?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I was gonna ask who won now who gained the most weight over the last week? Now Katie, you don't count because you're pregnant. You're growing another. You're grow human being inside you. So that does not count.

[Katie Green]

I will tell you, it is a great Thanksgiving when everybody just kind of excuses you for eating for two.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, that's a good one. I'm eating for two, so give me more pie.

[Joe Getty]

The baby needs pie.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So in answer to your question, at 1.2 days ago I was up 3.6 pounds.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, you may have beaten me.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Although I have shaved off two of those pounds already.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't know if that counts. I don't know if you're allowed to lose weight. They get your peak.

[Joe Getty]

Wait a minute.

[Jack Armstrong]

We should have looked at the rules before the whole thing started.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

How much did you gain? You gained that much weight at one point?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I looked at the scale, I think it was Saturday morning and. And decided that the weekend would be one of austerity and physical labor.

[Jack Armstrong]

I feel like you had an advantage being at home with your scale. I was on the road the entire time, so I didn't have a scale to turn to, to frighten me into. To get my act together. Let me look at them. Check the numbers again real quick because.

[Joe Getty]

I think checking the numbers most shows are referring to like the stock market.

[Jack Armstrong]

Michael, how'd you do? Well, let me put it this way. I ate three fourths of a banana cream pie by myself.

[Joe Getty]

And so I gotta think, I'm up there a couple pounds, missy. Three toes too.

[Jack Armstrong]

And there you go. And you lost three toes. Oh, Michael's got the diabetes, if you don't know, so he can make those. I ran it off. He ran off your toes or you ran?

[Joe Getty]

No, no, I ran off the bracket.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Manicry Pie here. I'm up three and three and a quarter. Three 3.25 pounds from when I. When I left the show. Pretty good. If I can do that for Christmas again, I'll be an entirely new zip code by the time the new year starts.

[Joe Getty]

Tell you what. I could eat apple pie for breakfast five days a week and not get tired of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I eat pie year round, as everyone knows, but gravy and stuffing is not usually around. Gravy, stuffing, mashed potatoes, turkey all mixed together kind of is like the greatest flavor on earth to me.

[Joe Getty]

God, I love that.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I ate a lot of it. And I did eat a lot of pie.

[Joe Getty]

Do you guys just mix your food.

[Commercial Announcer]

Together or do you actually keep it, like, separate?

[Jack Armstrong]

I actually put it in a blender.

[Joe Getty]

And make it into a shake smoothie. Yeah, put some ice in there.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's Thanksgiving. Put some mice in there.

[Joe Getty]

Some ice in there. Okay, Some mice. What the hell?

[Jack Armstrong]

And then I have my Thanksgiving shake piping hot. Threw a straw while I watched the football game. Oh, my God. Anyway, we're back. Everybody's back. For a couple of weeks before Christmas starts. And plenty of news stories to follow. Plenty of horrible things happened. And today, of course, today is Cyber Monday, for crying out loud.

[Joe Getty]

So that's.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm surprised we worked. I know. Why don't we take Cyber Monday off?

[Joe Getty]

Well, with having to go into the office to do our online shopping because the Internet connection is fast.

[Jack Armstrong]

So later, I want Joe to lay out the entire history of Cyber Monday once again. Every year.

[Joe Getty]

Lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is what is known as a pseudo event in the media world. You create an event and then report on it as if it's something that happened out of the blue. It is a complete creation. Cyber Monday, it is not a real thing. Same as Black Friday, but. Which was a couple days ago, but yes, Cyber Monday and I. First two news channels I flipped on. Today it's Cyber Monday. As if that's a thing. You know, like, it's just.

[Joe Getty]

I should be amused by that. I'm not. Which. Which brings me to a question I wanted to ask you. And a little behind the scenes peek. Jack and I, we chat with the staff about the sound we have and that sort of stuff before the show, but we haven't really compared notes or talked about much.

[Jack Armstrong]

Haven't really. We haven't talked about anything.

[Joe Getty]

All right, so having spent a week away with family and travel and eating and the rest of it and all, what is your attitude coming back to work about the world, about politics, about the things we talk about? Do you have a vibe, a mood, a framework? As you come back, was going to be completely honest.

[Jack Armstrong]

And this might run contrary to how I make my living. Most of the stuff we talk about is a waste of time.

[Joe Getty]

You know, my only disagreement would be that it's ugly and corrosive and it scars your soul and is performative and idiotic. That's all, I would add.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, a lot of it, a tremendous amount of it is nothing. Is absolutely nothing. Yeah. That's very frustrating. I'll tell you what.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I'm re inspired though, to seek out that which is not all right. There's plenty that matters.

[Jack Armstrong]

Plenty of things that matter that are worth talking about that are real, that should get more time as opposed to things that are not real, that occupy lots and lots of cable news show hours and a lot of radio hours across the country. There's no doubt. Things that are just not real. There's real as Cyber Monday in terms of their significance.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. Very long lasting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. It is obviously horrifying that that one National Guard member died and then he got another one clinging to life. That's just an awful story. I hated the fact that it immediately went, since I turned into the Sunday shows a little bit yesterday to see what was going on, it immediately went to the which administration is to blame? I don't think we used to do that. When a tragedy like that occurred. I feel like there was more time spent just kind of as a country. What is the meaning of this? What needs to be done? What is the, what is the risk as opposed to right off the bat going to, is it Biden or Trump? Biden or Trump? Which is just also very frustrating.

[Joe Getty]

And I realize how quaint and old timey this is, but usually there'd be a little time spent assembling a fact or two.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, no kidding.

[Joe Getty]

We actually know before we analyze, we probably ought to, you know, factualize.

[Jack Armstrong]

But the fact is that the couple of guards people were shot by a nut job from Afghanistan and one of them is dead and one of them is clinging to life. And that is horrible story. God, that poor woman. But we'll talk about that a little more later. Could be the story of the next month or so is the whole blasting the people in the boat down by Venezuela and whether or not a couple of them were clinging to the boat when we blasted them again and killed them. That's anonymous sources from one newspaper. So that needs to be nailed down first. Sure.

[Joe Getty]

Again, let's get some facts.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if those get nailed down, then that's quite the story. The fact that we. That Trump told Maduro, the leader of Venezuela, what Day before yesterday. You got to get out of there or we're going to kill you. You and your family go now. Wow. How long is that deadline before. I don't know. Marines are storming the beach in Venezuela. I don't know what's going to happen there.

[Joe Getty]

And then Trump pardons a drug lord who used to be the president of Honduras.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know that story very well.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I think I have an idea what's going on there, but we can talk about that in a little bit.

[Jack Armstrong]

He did pardon the turkeys right before Thanksgiving. There's some funny stuff around that. That was pretty funny.

[Joe Getty]

Every day on crime. That's what I say.

[Jack Armstrong]

The turkeys committed a crime. What was the crime the turkeys committed? Deliciousness.

[Joe Getty]

You know, excessive pecking.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. I can feel the almost four pounds I gained. I can. I can feel it when I put my socks on this morning.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Dang it. I need Ozempic. Can we start endorsing that? Hey, salespeople. Or I need to endorse this Ozempic. Like starting at bound. Yeah, it doesn't matter which one. Starting at, like, noon today. I need to be on one of those pills so I can get my socks on. Let's start the show officially, and then we'll be off and running. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. Happy to be back. It is December 1st Monday. Brand new month. Oh, my God. The rent is too damn high. No doubt. The year 2025. We're Armstrong and Getty, and we approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

Happy birthday to my big kid, Caitlin, by the way, who was born. Let me do the math. 33 years ago today, had a fantastic Thanksgiving week. She and her two siblings were all here at the house having a fantastic celebration. So it was super. Anyway, happy birthday, Kate. All right, let's begin officially now, according to FCC rules and regulations. Here we go at mark.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that'll save a full minute.

[Joe Getty]

Rufus, I like. That's a good name.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is a good name for your chat bot. Yo, Rufus. What do you think these socks I found on sale.

[Joe Getty]

You think my dad would like these socks, Rufus? Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, for real, we haven't actually have a Cyber Monday special. That's very cool.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I want to have a conversation with Joe. As Joe mentioned, we don't talk during when 99% of the talking Joe and I do between each other is on the microphone. And so I have a conversation about AI want to have later in the show. I took in so much AI information over the weekend. Super fascinating to me anyway. And I am more convinced than ever that this is very, very big. Maybe the biggest thing that's ever happened on planet Earth, including the meteorite that hit the dinosaurs and is going to happen in the next couple of years. So this deserves discussion.

[Joe Getty]

Easy for you to say. Signed Stega store, Sega. That would have been a good punch.

[Jack Armstrong]

Would have been great.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, there you go. The month is off to a bad start.

[Jack Armstrong]

Damn it.

[Joe Getty]

Damn it. Too much pie. That's your problem, Patty. Too much pie.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's your problem. Fatty is the sentence to get us into segment two.

[Joe Getty]

Isn't that a direct quote from Abe Simpson? Yeah, years ago.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, it is. That is a Simpsons line.

[Joe Getty]

Too much power.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's your problem, fatty. So we've got headlines on the way and that's a problem for all of us. And we'll be right back.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Shh.

[News Reporter / Segment Host]

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[Jack Armstrong]

It was fabulous. We stopped in Las Vegas for A night we stopped in Santa Fe, New Mexico for a night was amazing and then lots of driving and I want to talk about this great land of.

[Joe Getty]

Ours a little bit later. That sounds good. Let's figure out who's reporting what first. It's the lead story with Katie Green. Hey, Katie, how was your Thanksgiving break?

[Katie Green]

It was nice. I'm still full.

[Jack Armstrong]

Most. Yeah. And you've got that great excuse, I'm eating for two.

[Joe Getty]

I'm eating. Oh, man.

[Jack Armstrong]

Milk that if you pardon the expression, unfortunate. My own parents requested that I return with the joke before your headline. So thank you. Why did the cowboy buy a wiener dog? Because he wanted to get a long little doggie, which is a classic. That's a good time honored way to start the month. It's a very cute dog. Very cute. Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Katie.

[Commercial Announcer]

All right.

[Katie Green]

Alrighty. Three headlines around the National Guard. CBS Gnome says national Guard shooting suspect was radicalized in the United States. Npr, US Titans immigration after National Guard shooting. And from the Free beacon, suspect in D.C. ambush of two National Guardsmen is Afghan national who entered the United States during the Biden administration.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. I don't know that I want to get into the is it Biden's fault or Trump's fault thing. If it's true that the guy was radicalized in the U.S. i think that makes it the most interesting story.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and he was among the Afghan soldiers who was most loyal and served with the US For a long time. Precisely the sort of folks we needed to get out. It just could be that very small percentage that goes sideways or he could.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have just gone nutso, the same way all the other shooters go nutso, whatever that is.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

True.

[Katie Green]

From NBC, Trump's peace push heads to Moscow after, quote, very productive U.S. ukraine talks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So I was surprised to read Mark Halperin's analysis of where things are. Mark over Rubio made some strong statements yesterday about ending the war between Ukraine and Russia. And Mark Halperin, he said we're closer to peace than we've ever been. It all depends on whether or not Putin actually wants peace.

[Joe Getty]

Well, there are two things going on here that I think are interesting. Number one, and they both have to do with the fact that Russia is on the front foot. They now have the advantage in drone warfare Ukraine did for a while. They're, you know, retooled and gaining ground slowly but gaining it. And so Ukraine might be more motivated to make an unholy peace with Russia. On the other hand, Putin might think, why would I do that? Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

There needs to Be some threat to Putin. Otherwise. Yeah, why would he stop?

[Katie Green]

From the Wall Street Journal. America's tariffs jolted the global economy. Its AI spending is helping save it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Like 5 companies. My dad and I were talking about this several times over the weekend that like five companies are driving the entire stock market records all the time in the world economy. And Michael's not ready to make the.

[Joe Getty]

Noise, so I will.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a little scary.

[Katie Green]

From the New York Post. Scromming is the brutal new side effect of chronic cannabis use as ER visits surge.

[Jack Armstrong]

We've talked about this before and apparently it's on the rise. That's when you vomit and scream while.

[Joe Getty]

You'Re vomiting, scrambling, completely losing your mind and and heaving at the same time. It doesn't sound pleasant.

[Jack Armstrong]

It doesn't sound like a party.

[Katie Green]

From study finds. Do lions have accents? Study shows big cats from different African regions roar in distinct dialects.

[Joe Getty]

Roar, y'.

[Jack Armstrong]

All. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Katie Green]

And finally this one from the Babylon Bee. No thanks. Says hungry homeless man after being offered Thanksgiving marshmallow jello salad.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that's funny. That was a real topic of conversation at our house. House is. My nieces insisted on it and so my sister in law whipped it up and it was popular.

[Jack Armstrong]

Really? I actually bought some at the grocery store because we weren't going to have it just for old times sake. And my. We had quite the conversation about that. Where it would come from, somebody would. It would just appear on Thanksgiving tables for some reason.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And look, I'm not against eating crap, especially on holidays. But once I found out what gelatin was, I have not gone back.

[Jack Armstrong]

What is gelatin?

[Joe Getty]

It was. It was a ever present part of our childhoods. Right. Every gathering, potluck, dinner, whatever. It's. It's ground up cattle hooves.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that bothers you?

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah. I'm not starving. I don't need to eat the hooves. I'll eat the yummy parts, the hind end and the various ribs.

[Jack Armstrong]

These are some strong takes about marshmallow gelatin salad.

[Joe Getty]

We'll take your galls.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So this might be the scandal using my finger quotes that dominates the next several weeks. So we should at least go through the details of it. Whether Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, ordered a strike on two people clinging to a boat, which would be a war crime if we're at war. And I'm not sure we're at war. So all the details of that coming up. Stay tuned.

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[News Reporter / Segment Host]

Growing bipartisan alarm over President Trump's escalating.

[Jack Armstrong]

Military campaign in The Caribbean Sea.

[News Reporter / Segment Host]

Top lawmakers saying the US Military made violated international law in September after the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Washington Post reported that US forces carried.

[News Reporter / Segment Host]

Out a second airstrike on a suspected.

[Commercial Announcer]

Drug boat after the initial strike left.

[Jack Armstrong]

Two survivors struggling in the water, allegedly.

[News Reporter / Segment Host]

To comply with Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's initial orders to kill all passengers aboard.

[Jack Armstrong]

So let's lay this out in an important way for you because this could be the scandal of the next couple of weeks. Definitely. For it can be proven to be true. And that's an if. It's anonymous sources to the Washington Post, Pete Hegseth himself says this did not happen. Keep that in mind.

[Joe Getty]

On the other hand, Pete says it is fabricated, inflammatory and derogatory.

[Jack Armstrong]

On the other hand, it is real enough for you. Don't launch investigations in the House unless you are the majority party. I mean you get to decide that. And the Republicans have decided. Yeah, we are going to, to both houses. Republican led armed services committees in the House and the Senate are opening bipartisan inquiries. So they must think there's enough there there to look into it or they think this is going to be a political scandal in the news and that they can open an inquiry and quickly show that it's not true. Maybe that's it. That's a possibility.

[Joe Getty]

You've got the initial strike on one of the drug boats, alleged drug boats. And as we discussed before vacation, there are, there's some disagreement as to how legal that is, although the chief executive has a hell of a lot of discretion, that sort of thing. But what happened here was they, they hit the drug boat and then there were a couple of guys clinging to the wreckage. They had survived and allegedly Admiral Frank Mitchell Bradley then off ordered a second strike specifically to kill the two survivors. And according to the legal experts I've read, and you know the law, you can find somebody to disagree with virtually any point of view. According to legal experts I've read, if it is true, no, it's murder. No ifs, ands or buts. Well, if it's a war, do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

If it's a war, it's a war crime. But we're not sure it's a war yet. The courts need to rule on that. And if it's not a war, it's not a war crime.

[Joe Getty]

Well, the war crime is murder. So yeah, because you're not allowed to just snuff survivors if they pose no military threat. And they go through the case history of that and it's pretty cut and dried, honestly. Well, I don't know what else is.

[Jack Armstrong]

There to say about this? It depends on whether it's true or not. I mean, if it's true, Pete Hegseth's in big trouble. Well, Donald Trump himself, and this is quoting from the Wall Street Journal version of this story. Trump himself said, I would not have wanted that a second strike. The first strike was very lethal. It was fine, but I would have not wanted a second strike. So Trump himself is saying, nah, it shouldn't happen the second strike. Pete Hegseth is saying that didn't happen. So if it did happen, I guess Hegseth has to go and he gets prosecuted by somebody.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it depends. If this Bradley guy went off on his own and ordered the follow up, that's what the inquiry will be. So it might not be Hegsmith, but Hegseth. But if I were this Admiral Bradley, I would definitely be consulting friends as to who's the best attorney in town.

[Jack Armstrong]

Kind of hard to imagine him going off on his own. I mean, would you do that?

[Joe Getty]

That, I don't know. Take out the order is take out that boat. And he. He more or less did. But there sur. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's high enough up the ranks to know that you bomb the target and then there's two people alive, but of no threat left. You don't snuff them. Well, right.

[Joe Getty]

Given how cut and dried this seems to be, that would be extraordinary. You're right. Well, that's why it's like the most serious crime known to humankind.

[Jack Armstrong]

Murder.

[Joe Getty]

Did it happen?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's.

[Joe Getty]

That's the question. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I wonder what the investigation is going to come down to. Was Pete Hegseth where? I guess I need to know, was Pete Hegseth, like, where was he on the golf course talking to this guy on the phone or on Discord or something. I mean, what was the communication channel? How many people were aware of the communication? Anybody? Is it just the two of them? Is just going to be his word against the other dude's word?

[Joe Getty]

Is it going to come down to that, I wonder. It certainly could. Although I think there's enough of a paper chain slash enough people involved. I mean, it's not like the. The Hegseth would call up Bradley on their personal cell phones and say, hey, hey, take another shot, would you, please? I mean, it goes through the chain of command.

[Jack Armstrong]

These calls may be recorded for quality control. Are the phone calls recorded or the transmissions? Do we have records of these things?

[Joe Getty]

Seems like we probably record all those damn calls and the quality never improves. So what's going on with that? Michael plays 63 and 64 back to back. This is Mike Turner and Don Bagan. They're both Republican Congress. Fellas.

[Jack Armstrong]

Congress does not have information that that had occurred. Both the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and ranking members have opened investigations. Obviously, if that occurred, that would be very serious. And I agree that that would, would be an illegal act.

[Joe Getty]

If the facts go to where the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Washington Post article takes it, well, then.

[Joe Getty]

We'Ll have to go from there.

[Jack Armstrong]

But if it was as if the article said that is a violation of.

[Joe Getty]

The law of war. When people want to surrender, you don't kill them and they have to pose an imminent threat.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's hard to believe that two people on a raft trying to survive would pose an imminent threat. So it doesn't sound like to me, and I somehow missed this yesterday in the coverage, it doesn't sound like to me anybody's disputing the two guys on the, on the raft and then a strike where they get obliterated.

[Joe Getty]

I think he is.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's. He's disputing that that happened at all.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's. The facts are what he's disputing. The, the law is the part that I haven't seen much dispute on. I haven't heard anybody say, no, no, no, that's fine, you can obliterate them because they could have like used a shard of the wreckage and swum ashore and stabbed somebody with it. No, nobody's saying that.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I haven't heard anybody say that either. So the claim from the current Secretary of War is that they were all killed in the first strike.

[Joe Getty]

He hasn't gotten that specific. He just said it was fabricated. See if there's another quote from Heg.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, is there a video. If there's a video that exists similar to the other videos, it's going to be pretty easy to nail that part down.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I wonder if that would imagine.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sticks around and I would imagine that.

[Joe Getty]

There is a video according to. Who is this law professor and the Free Press, Jed Rubenfeld. And let's see. According to the Post, Bradley issued his kill the survivors order in compliance with an earlier command given by Hegseth to kill everybody. Even if true, that's no defense for Bradley. Like in order to kill prisoners, in order to kill defenseless shipwreck survivors rarely or probably falls in the rare category of orders so manifestly unlawful that soldiers have a duty to disobey it. Which reminds me, I was reading in the national review. I think it is somebody, Jeff Blair, was speculating that you remember when those Democrats came out with that dopey video a week and a half ago about you do not have to follow illegal orders. And everybody's like, what are they talking about? Nobody named anything. Whether they had heard rumors.

[Jack Armstrong]

Seems like a heck of a coincidence.

[Joe Getty]

It was either an unbelievably lucky coincidence or they had gotten word.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. And a guy that high up the chain in the military, I mean, it's. There's like a Monty Python bit about this, but I mean, so PD exit says kill them all. And you take that to me. Okay, I'll just keep firing. I don't care if the guy gets off the boat, swims to shore, drives the car to his house and is laying on the couch watching television. I will still kill him.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Surely would be extraordinary, as I said before, huh? Which is why there's an investigation. Let's hope it didn't happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's not good for anybody Right here.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

So I'm just looking at the very latest is Trump says he believes hegseth when Exeth says that he did not order the strike. So now it comes down to whether there was a strike or not. We need to figure that out. There's got to be Video about the facts. You gotta. There's gotta be a video there. So that's the. That's the first stuff. Stop. Is there a video of two guys clinging to a boat and then all of a sudden they disappear? And then once. Once that video, if it exists is shown, then it's okay? Well, who ordered that? Who made that decision?

[Joe Getty]

I don't remember the name of the bloke who was in charge of that region. I think he was a Navy guy. An admirable admiral. It's hard to say admiral without saying admirable. It's always been a problem for me anyway, because most of them are. Anyway, he announced that he was resigning early and there was speculation about whether it was discontent with the whole blasting drug boats out of the water thing, which is possible. I wonder if that kill everybody connected order went out and that guy said, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, not going there. Well, I hope we find out.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I just saw up they on the TV before we take a break, that Denver won at the very end of the game against Washington last night. And I watched some of the football on Thanksgiving, like a lot of you probably did. It's amazing how many NFL games come down to, like, a play. And you have like three or four games where you make that play and you get to go to the super bowl like the Kansas City Chiefs did last year, or you have a couple of those plays not go your way like Kansas City Chiefs this year, and you don't even make the playoffs. I mean, it's just you. You wouldn't think it'd be that fine a line whether or not you win or lose. But you make the miraculous pass. Oh, and they dropped it. You lose.

[Joe Getty]

Right. There's so much parody in the league, which is what they've been going for.

[Jack Armstrong]

You got the.

[Joe Getty]

The. The mighty Rams falling to the Panthers. The not. Not too long ago sad Panthers of Carolina. So making the NFC west super exciting again for Niners fans and in particular. But yeah, yeah, it's great. Super excited. Some good games.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure. Good thing to do when you're sitting there and your stomach's trying to digest all these weird different foods that you don't normally eat in quantities that no human being should ever take in.

[Joe Getty]

So good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, it is. And then like, at least with my mom around, like 10 minutes after you've, like, we're in super pain. Anybody want another. Whatever. Piece of pie? Sure.

[News Reporter / Segment Host]

I'll.

[Joe Getty]

I'll try getting a little more pie down. And I tell you what, I made a move. I should have made many years ago. And fellas, it's going to cost you a couple of bucks. All right? Save your pennies, cancel the golf trip. Do whatever you have to do.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is this about your bidet?

[Joe Getty]

No, no. Although by God I love that thing. No, I got the outdoor TV by the grill so when I'm grilling I can watch football, refreshment in hand. It was so great.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the big leap forward in happiness, huh? The Dalai Lama was wrong. The way to become happy is to have a television next year. Grill.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, money can't buy happiness, but it can buy you big ass TV right next to your grill and that can give you happiness.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh man. We would like to hear what you think about the whole hexa thing. Also, we've got Mailbag on the way and more news of the day to catch up on. Run. I hope you didn't gain three and a quarter pounds like I did. Stay tuned.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So we drove all the way to Kansas and road trip. So road trip and then being there, everything like that. Man, by the time we got back, we were tired of any sort of restaurant food. Just I don't know what it is about eating not at home. Some point I just reach a limit. I don't know, maybe some of y' all can endlessly eat at restaurants, but I cannot. Just something. Something they put in it that I just need. Like I want a peanut butter sandwich or a bowl of cereal or something that's not that, you know, the first.

[Joe Getty]

Few are great, but you're right, there is a fatigue that sets in. Absolutely true. Here's your freedom loving quote of the day in honor of the Netflix hit series Death by Lightning about the assassination of James A. Garfield that Judy and I just started last night.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is it as good as.

[Joe Getty]

People tell me it's very well done.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cool.

[Joe Getty]

We're at one episode in, so it's hard to say for sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

I gotta check that out. Garfield dies in the end, right?

[Joe Getty]

It's compelling. Spoiler alert. Anyway, we've got a series of James A. Garfield quotes. I have not had time to vet them. And this one seems a tad perfect and modern, but Garfield said the truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah, a lot of truth there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it can't always be the case. Sometimes it is. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Here's another one for you. A brave man is a man who dares to look the devil in the face and tell him he is the devil.

[Jack Armstrong]

These are James Garfield quotes.

[Joe Getty]

That's right. Old Jimmy Garfield.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't have any Garfield knowledge whatsoever.

[Joe Getty]

Well, you know, I take you know Netflix series with a grain of salt. If there's any truth to it all. He was an extremely intelligent and honorable man who did not want to be president. He was shocked when he got nominated. Very good first episode. I recommend it Netflix if you have the money for it. Mailbag Drop us a Note [e-mail] Anna Louisa writes welcome back. Hope your vacations were great. Missed y'. All. But I honestly admit it was nice not to worry about keeping up with the world. In short, please break the bad news about the state of the world slowly. Maybe focus on interesting vacation stories for a couple of days.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hear you.

[Joe Getty]

I hear you, my darling. Let's see, how about this? This is Dennis. Welcome back. Hope you had wonderful Thanksgiving vacations. We did well. I missed live shows, particularly after the D.C. shooting. The best of broadcasts were great and very entertaining.

[Jack Armstrong]

Probably better than this.

[Joe Getty]

Many mentions that both the D.C. and Stockton shootings were in places that called themselves sanctuary cities. The Stockton, California murder of four people including three children. Still not exactly clear what was going on there. Looks gang related. Sanctuary city.

[Jack Armstrong]

Does that have anything to do with it though? Don't. Nope.

[Joe Getty]

Don't know. Let's see. How about this? Oh, JT and Livermore says I recognize somebody actually had to spend some of every weekday during their vacation to post the Best of podcast episodes. Actually we try to get ready in advance, but thank you for the holiday present. He. He says they're really, really well crafted.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nice job. Mike Hansen, Executive Producer.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, Mike works like crazy on that. Let's see. Moving along again.

[Jack Armstrong]

So far better than what you're listening to now. That's the problem. Don't make him quite so good. Would you stop?

[Joe Getty]

So far the Joe highlight of my listening has been Joe's turn as the anti critic critic who gleefully preaches that critic should be the first to go up against the wall in the upcoming revolution. Hilarious and ironic. Hilaronic. Ironious. No, no. My Jack highlight has been his self anointed claim of being grounded. Well, I personally know that within a few months of said grounded, Jack was contemplating the purchase of a giraffe. Nothing screams to the world how grounded you are like owning endangered species from another continent. You keep being you, Jack.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's funny.

[Joe Getty]

I remember that. Oh gosh, I was briefly shopping for.

[Jack Armstrong]

A giraffe several years ago.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, but then he throws in. Over the years there have been many segments that included the claim that the subjects were the worst ever and the replays had were no exception. But that said, the segment covering the stench of some Brazilian butt lifts gone wrong truly is the worst one ever. It should definitely be pulled from the replay bullpen.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't want to hear that.

[Joe Getty]

No, no. It's absolutely terrible. You know, speaking of being a critic of critics, I succumbed to the temptation during the vacation to crack open the New York Post briefly. I don't know what got into me. And one of the lead stories was a perfectly infuriating or infuriatingly perfect example of what's so ugly and corrosive and stupid about the Internet and social media. It seriously, I went from zero to I want to hurt somebody in about 45 seconds.

[Jack Armstrong]

And are you going to tell us about that later? Is that what you do? No, you're not.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, yes, I will try to work that in. Yes, I'm sorry. We'll discuss that coming up in the next hour.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cyber Monday, everybody. Joe needs to do his annual explanation of where Cyber Monday comes from because I can't believe the media doesn't tell us this. They act like it came down from God. The idea of Cyber Monday, well, and.

[Joe Getty]

As you point out, it's a. What do you call it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Pseudo events, Some contrived event. And then everybody acts like it happened to them. Well, I guess we better report on it as opposed to you created it. It drives me nuts. Anyway, lots of the way. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty.

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