Is It "Butt Naked" Or "Buck Naked?"

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Is It "Butt Naked" Or "Buck Naked?"
Date: November 4, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This episode features Armstrong and Getty's distinctive mix of irreverent social commentary, focused on a wide range of topics including the death of former Vice President Dick Cheney, media coverage of health studies, Elon Musk’s rise toward “trillionaire” status, celebrity news, and current debates about gender identity. The hosts dish out their characteristic skepticism, wit, and blunt opinions, punctuated by quick detours into popular culture, sports, and the peculiarities of modern discourse.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dick Cheney’s Death and Legacy

(00:17 – 12:26)

• Announcement & Summary: Cheney, former Vice President and Secretary of Defense, passed away at age 84 due to complications of pneumonia and cardiac disease.
• Career Recap: Discussion of Cheney’s storied political resume—Secretary of Defense, White House Chief of Staff, Minority Whip, and “arguably the most powerful Vice President in history.”
• Bush/Cheney Dynamic & ‘Gravitas’: Bush’s VP pick was seen as providing “seriousness and heft” to the ticket, with the term “gravitas” emphasized as key to the 2000 campaign.
• Cheney Health and Longevity:
  • Quote (03:17, Joe Getty): “Back to Cheney’s faulty ticker. The fact that he made it to 84 gives all of us hope. I think he suffered the first of five heart attacks at age 37...”
• The Iraq War Decision-Making:
  • Controversy about Cheney’s motivations, intelligence failures, and the continuing debate over the Iraq invasion.
  • Quote (07:05, Jack Armstrong): "For instance, Tim, and I don't know how much I can share here, but we have a bearded gentleman strapped to a bed with his bare feet in a pan of water attached to a couple of wires in a car battery right now."
  • Several Cheney audio clips, including his framing of U.S. actions post-9/11:
    • Dick Cheney (06:10): "We also have to work though sort of the dark side, if you will. We're going to spend time in the shadows and in the intelligence world, a lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion..."
• WMDs & Iraq War Regret:
  • Cheney’s infamous 2002 statement about “no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction” is played and critiqued.
  • Jack Armstrong (09:19): “Oops.”
  • Ongoing question: Was the removal of Saddam worth the cost?

2. Critique of Media Coverage: Health News and Melatonin Study

(13:50 – 15:14)

• Melatonin and Heart Failure Story: Hosts analyze a recent study, expressing frustration at misleading headlines that imply melatonin, rather than insomnia, causes health issues.
  • Quote (14:26, Jack Armstrong): "God, I hate reporting. ...They do not try to tell you what's actually going on."
• Armstrong and Getty critique clickbait journalism and plead for more thoughtful science coverage.

3. Elon Musk’s Potential Trillionaire Status

(15:14 – 17:59)

• Tesla shareholders are preparing to vote on a $1 trillion package for Musk.
• Discussion of Musk’s desire for influence over his companies' robotic and AI future.
  • Jack Armstrong (17:15): “Because I like this about Elon, that would have very little effect on what he wants to do with his life. Unlike Bezos, who wants to have the biggest boat in the world…”

4. Diane Ladd’s Life Project

(17:59 – 19:15)

• Actress Diane Ladd’s lifelong, unsuccessful quest to fund a Martha Mitchell biopic.
• Jack finds the story fascinating for her sense of mission, including her claim to be visited by Mitchell’s ghost.

5. Transgender Debates & ‘Gender Bending Madness’ Segment

(20:22 – 32:55, recurring theme)

• Gold’s Gym Locker Room Incident: A woman is booted from her gym after complaining about a biological man in the women’s locker room.
  • Caller (23:19): "Grown man with big ___ in the women’s locker room. And that's why I'm getting kicked out. And I want to make sure the girls know."
  • Hosts express incredulity at institutional responses and the broader social climate.
• Language Debate – 'Butt Naked' vs. 'Buck Naked':
  • Jack Armstrong (24:43): “Bringing up the also controversy of is it butt naked or buck naked? Always difficult to know.”
• Drag Pedagogy in Schools:
  • Discussion of academic arguments for “drag pedagogy” and related social theories in schools, which the hosts firmly oppose.
  • Joe Getty (26:53): "They want to expose kindergarteners to drag shows. They’re arguing that Adult men dressed in women’s clothing should be invited into your 5 year old’s classroom to perform sexually suggestive dance routines in front of them."
• Social Contagion & Gender Dysphoria:
  • Citing Colin Wright, hosts discuss the spread of transgender identification among adolescent girls as a “social contagion.”
  • Joe Getty (30:30) reads Wright’s Wall Street Journal piece, emphasizing the suppression of dissenting academic views.
• Transgender Athletes in Women's Sports:
  • Debate over inclusion of trans athletes, spotlighting a National Women’s Soccer League controversy.
  • Sarah Gordon (31:07): “... that article does not speak for this team in this locker room. ... they are hurt and they are harmed by the article and also ... disgusted ... the undertones come across as transphobic and racist...”
  • Hosts denounce woke responses and question policy logic:
    • Joe Getty (31:53): "She is a soft head. She has no idea what she's talking about. She is a woke cultist who doesn't have the power of critical thinking. ... if enough of those cultists ... howl for your blood, you will ... see your career derailed..."

6. Cultural Musings: Hierarchies of Grievance

(33:00 – 33:34)

• The “grievance totem pole” is debated, as the hosts notice a black lesbian woman’s complaint is overruled in favor of transgender inclusion.
  • Jack Armstrong (33:20): "I'm looking up at TV and they've got that woman from the Gold's Gym. She's a black woman. Normally a black woman is going to win any battle over any other group, but in this case she was up against a trans person."
  • Joe Getty (33:25): "Even a black lesbian woman ... below on the totem pole ... a transgender dude."

7. Sports Culture: Dodgers Win and LA Rioting

(36:02 – 37:16)

• The Dodgers win prompts predictable “celebratory” rioting in LA.
• Jon Stewart Clip (36:23): “Great news for America this weekend. We finally defeated our worst enemy, Canada.”
• Hosts lament normalization of public destruction, comparing to how consequences could deter such behavior.

8. Violent Crime & Immigration Talking Point

(37:16 – 38:40)

• A bizarre headline about a decapitation by an illegal immigrant leads to dark humor and reflection on crime and policy.

9. Nick Fuentes-Tucker Carlson Controversy

(40:16 – 40:32)

• Hosts reflect on the Nick Fuentes/Tucker Carlson flap, media amplification of fringe voices, and the disconnection between online and offline realities.
  • Jack Armstrong (39:14): "My parents are very maga. I don't know if they've ever heard the name Nick Fuentes. I'll bet they haven't. But that doesn't mean anything either."
  • Questions around at what point extremist followings online require national attention.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Dick Cheney’s Age:
  • “Back to Cheney’s faulty ticker. The fact that he made it to 84 gives all of us hope.”
    (03:17, Joe Getty)
• On Torture & War on Terror:
  • "We're going to spend time in the shadows and in the intelligence world, a lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion..."
    (06:10, Dick Cheney Clip)
• On Locker Room Incident:
  • “I'm butt naked. I feel violated. I feel like, weird, like I don't want to deal with this. Right. Listen, how can you say you're a woman or you want to be a woman and you don't care how women feel?”
    (24:19, Gold’s Gym Caller)
• On “Butt Naked” vs. “Buck Naked”:
  • "Bringing up the also controversy of is it butt naked or buck naked? Always difficult to know."
    (24:43, Jack Armstrong)
• On Musk and Extreme Wealth:
  • “You're beyond yachts. You're past buying an island and you're into like, I'm buying the Hawaiian islands, Right?”
    (17:52, Joe Getty)
• On ‘Drag Pedagogy’ in Schools:
  • “Why are we having grown men dance suggestively in front of little children in girls clothing? Well, at school.”
    (26:48, Joe Getty)
• On ‘Grievance Hierarchy’:
  • “I'm looking up at TV and they've got that woman from the Gold's Gym. She's a black woman. Normally a black woman is going to win any battle over any other group, but in this case she was up against a trans person.”
    (33:20, Jack Armstrong)
• On Breaking News & Social Media:
  • “In the world of the online. It's a very big story and people are commenting back and forth like crazy. But that might just be like the online world.”
    (39:15, Jack Armstrong)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Cheney Retrospective & Clips: 01:17 – 12:26
• Melatonin Health Study Critique: 13:50 – 15:14
• Elon Musk Discussion: 15:14 – 17:59
• Diane Ladd Project & Death: 17:59 – 19:15
• Transgender Locker Room Incident: 21:01 – 24:36
• 'Butt Naked' vs. 'Buck Naked': 24:43 – 24:55
• Drag in Schools & Social Contagion: 25:53 – 31:48
• Women’s Soccer & Trans Athletes Debate: 31:07 – 32:55
• LA Riots, Dodgers Win: 36:02 – 37:16
• Nick Fuentes Commentary: 39:14 – 40:32

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Conclusion & Tone

The episode is lively, skeptical, and humorous, with Armstrong and Getty’s signature blend of cultural critique and off-the-cuff banter. They challenge mainstream narratives, question prevailing social trends, and entertain through both biting sarcasm and genuine inquiry, making the podcast a provocative listen for their audience.

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For full context on each topic, listen to the episode via Armstrong & Getty On Demand.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

This is an iHeart podcast broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

[Announcer]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Clip Speaker]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty. With so many things, things going wrong with the world, how can we set things right?

[Caller/Guest]

How about just a little bit of fudge? Tommy is elected mayor. Give the gift a fudge.

[Jack Armstrong]

Chatbots leading us astray.

[Caller/Guest]

Give up, Prince of Fudge.

[Jack Armstrong]

Rules of the land of thrones.

[Joe Getty]

Government shut down.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got you down. There you go. So if you sure mentioned spudge again, if you weren't listening the first two hours, Fudge came up as a topic among many other things. If you missed it, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Joe Getty]

Give a friend some fudge.

[Jack Armstrong]

Indeed.

[Joe Getty]

On a more serious note, this former.

[News Reporter]

Vice President Dick Cheney died Monday night at the age of 84. His family said in a statement it was due to complications of pneumonia and cardiac and vascular disease.

[Joe Getty]

The most powerful Vice president perhaps in the nation's history has passed away at the age of 84. After 9 11, he became George W. Bush's chief strategist to fight the war on terror, including by means some considered torture, because they probably were torture.

[Jack Armstrong]

He was a former Secretary of Defense, right. Way back in the day HW maybe and then became. Is that right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's right. He wasn't director of the CIA, was he?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think so.

[Joe Getty]

No. I'm thinking of somebody else.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think he was SecDef under HW and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But then he was vice president under HW's son George.

[Joe Getty]

He's also a White House Chief of staff, Defense Secretary and Minority Whip in the U.S. house of Representatives.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I know Kamala Harris is claiming she was the most qualified person ever run for president, but there are a lot of people like Dick Cheney who at many, many high level roles in government before they got into office and was obviously qualified to be president. The only reason he never ran for president, I don't know if he had the desire, but he couldn't because of his heart. He had heart attacks starting very, very young. And at least back in the day, if he had health problems, we were going to elect you. I think, I think all that stuff is out the window now. I mean, I'm not sure any of that matters anymore. But he is where many of us learned the word gravitas because George W. Bush was seen as very young and somewhat inexperienced and ran for president and picked Dick Cheney to run with him and that's when I think Rush Limbaugh is the first person to use that term for what Dick Cheney did for George Bush. Giving had brought gravitas and some seriousness and heft to the whole thing, to the ticket, and which helped him win.

[Joe Getty]

Back to Cheney's faulty ticker. The fact that he made it to 84 gives all of us hope. I think he suffered the first of five heart attacks at 84, age 37, and had eight cardiac events, whatever that means, between the 2000 and 2008 elections.

[Jack Armstrong]

Probably doesn't hurt to have the best health care in the world at your side.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. And plenty of money to pay for it if you need to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. At any moment, keeping track of your vitals on a day by day basis. The story is, to me is still not completely written on how we made the transition from 911 to. To invading Iraq, but Dick Cheney played a big role in it. Whatever.

[Joe Getty]

So a couple of Dick Cheney's greatest. Yeah, a couple of Dick Cheney's greatest hits here. Here he is in 2004 in the Vice presidential debate with pretty, pretty John Edwards, who has a baby mama across town. In another story. 31.

[Clip Speaker]

Senator Franklin, you have a record in the Senate that's not very distinguished. You've missed 33 out of 36 meetings in the Judiciary Committee, almost 70% of the meetings of the Intelligence Committee. You've missed a lot of key votes on tax policy, on energy, on Medicare reform. Your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you Senator Gaughan. You've got one of the worst attendance records in the United States Senate. Now, in my capacity as Vice president, I am the President of the Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that's a good one. Devastating. That's not exactly Marianne Williamson versus, I don't know, who is it? Kamala Harris.

[Jack Armstrong]

George liked that one.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, That's a good one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I remember when George was running for president first term and his Dick Cheney was his running mate and Al Gore's running mate was Joseph Lieberman. And when Lieberman and Cheney had their debate, all of America said, why aren't those two the head of the ticket? It was a very, you know, educational, knowledgeable, friendly, gentlemanly, gentlemanly debate. Man, you talk about a previous era. That sort of thing does not happen now, nor will it for quite some time.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Well, you can't talk about Dick Cheney without talking about the post 911 era, obviously. Clip 33. Is Tim Russert, the great Tim Russert, talking to Dick Cheney.

[Clip Speaker]

When Osama bin Laden took responsibility for blowing up the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, US embassies, several hundred died.

[Jack Armstrong]

The United States launched 60 Tomahawk missiles.

[Clip Speaker]

Into his training site in Afghanistan.

[Jack Armstrong]

It only emboldened him, it only inspired him and seemed even to increase his recruitment.

[Clip Speaker]

Is it safe to say that that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Kind of response is not something we're considering in that kind of minute magnitude?

[Clip Speaker]

I want to be careful here, Tim, because that clearly would be inappropriate for me to talk about operational matters, specific options, or the kinds of activities we might undertake going forward. We do indeed, though have obviously the world's finest military. They've got a broad range of capabilities and they may well be given missions in connection with this overall task strategy. We also have to work, though sort of the dark side, if you will. We're going to spend time in the shadows and in the intelligence world, a lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies if we're going to be successful. That's the world these folks operate in. And so it's going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposable disposal basically to achieve our objective.

[Jack Armstrong]

For instance, Tim, and I don't know how much I can share here, but we have a bearded gentleman strapped to a bed with his bare feet in a pan of water attached to a couple of wires in a car battery right now. Oh, again, we're getting some good operational information right now to move forward with.

[Joe Getty]

Have you ever heard of waterboarding? Just a quick note. What do you suppose is the gulf in IQ between Dick Cheney and Kamala Harris?

[Jack Armstrong]

All of them.

[Joe Getty]

Is it 50 points?

[Jack Armstrong]

All of the points.

[Joe Getty]

50 to 75 points. And then finally this, this is in 2021. Speaking of gulfs in IQ, simpleton Wolf Blitzer talking to Dick Cheney. Clip 34.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is that why the U.S. went to war? So that Iraq would become a strategic partner? Well, Bashar Al as al Assad and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad first.

[Clip Speaker]

You're constructing a worst case scenario there, Wolf. I don't think it's going to happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

You think there's going to be a Dem democracy?

[Joe Getty]

I think.

[Clip Speaker]

I think the Iraqis will in fact be somebody we can work with on a regular basis, that they will have a rudimentary democracy, if you will. And I think it'll be a success.

[Jack Armstrong]

So when they support Bashar Al Assad. What goes through your mind?

[Joe Getty]

Well, I'm.

[Clip Speaker]

You know, I think Bashir Assad is not long for this world either. Looks to me like he's. He's on his way out because of the unrest that's been occasioned by his own people inside Syria. He's one of the least popular leaders in that part of the world. It's. It's the Middle east, and stuff happens in the Middle east. You know, you've covered it for years, but you cannot. I don't think you can make a case that the world would be better off today if Saddam Hussein were still in power.

[Jack Armstrong]

So no regrets about Iraq?

[Clip Speaker]

I think we made exactly the right decisions.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, he always. He always made that argument every time he was questioned about it. He'd always go back to, the world is a better place without Saddam Hussein now. Okay, well, yeah, I suppose, but was it worth.

[Joe Getty]

The blood, the treasure, the chaos, the counterbalance to the Iranians?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right, right, right. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

All right, one more, then we'll wrap it up. 36.

[Clip Speaker]

Michael, simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oops.

[Clip Speaker]

There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use them against our friends, against our allies, and against us. And there is no doubt that his aggressive regional ambitions will lead him into future confrontations with his neighbors, confrontations that will involve both the weapons that he has today and the ones he will continue to develop with his oil wealth.

[Joe Getty]

That was August of 2002, by the way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Always worth pointing out that Saddam's own generals believed they had weapons of mass destruction.

[Joe Getty]

Saddam had decided, I'm going to get rid of them, but I'm going to pretend we still have them to keep everybody at bay.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you. I can't imagine anybody wanting this, but if you ever need to revisit the why we went into Iraq or whether it was a good idea. Christopher Hitchens whole chapter about that in his book. And Christopher Hitchens hated the Bushes more than anyone. But he wrote an Entire chapter in Hitch 22 explaining, as a lefty, why it was absolutely necessary that we go into Iraq. He was pro Iraq. He lost all of his friends. He had to quit his job, overtaking that stance. But it's pretty persuasive if you ever decide to look into it.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

My final thought on the whole Dick Cheney dying thing is just I wish human beings weren't so pulled toward an exciting explanation for things, for complicated things because it keeps us from digging into the real reasons which are way more interesting. Dick Cheney didn't push getting into Iraq because it made him wealthy in his investments in this or that or whatever. It was a. Yeah, that is a combination of group think and I mean different stuff that is way more interesting in terms of looking at and trying to figure out how to manage the next time around.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, interesting doesn't flip elections. Slogans do. Super simple slogans do.

[Clip Speaker]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Unfortunately, there was another passing of a an actress who I couldn't have named what she did ever in my life, but her lifelong project is pretty interesting. I read in a piece last night the death of this actress. It's funny. Trust me, it's kind of funny. And a bunch of other stuff we can get to stay here.

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[News Reporter]

This study says prolonged use of melatonin is linked with a higher risk of heart failure and early death in adults with insomnia. It's not that melatonin caus these problems. Rather, its use is an indicator of problems because insomnia can increase your blood pressure and inflammation, leading to serious cardiac troubles. This study looked at the electronic medical records of more than 130,000 adults with chronic insomnia. It found those who took melatonin regularly for at least a year were nearly twice as likely to develop heart failure and more than three times as likely to be hospitalized for the issue.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, I hate reporting. They don't even try. Well, they do try to get clicks and eyeballs. They do not try to tell you what's actually going on. I heard that story presented several times. Trying to make it sound like if you take melatonin, you've increased your chance of having a heart attack. Which there's no indication of that whatsoever. When obviously, I mean, the first thing I thought of was, well, people who take melatonin are having trouble sleeping. Why are they having trouble sleeping? What are all the things that go along with that that might make it more likely you're going to have our problems?

[Joe Getty]

Well, they admitted it in that, in.

[Jack Armstrong]

That story they did report. But the multiple headlines I heard, other than that, they just to get you to click on the story. Yeah, I mean, it's just dumb.

[Joe Getty]

So people with insomnia have more heart problems. Okay. And they also take melatonin and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or the kind of person.

[Joe Getty]

Tell us the second part and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or the kind of person that has sleeping problems and turns to medication for it, which might include other factors. Who knows? I don't know. This story. Elon Musk, Will he be the first trillionaire? It's already worth half a trillion dollars. A couple weeks ago, he was lost track. Yeah. Tesla shareholders in the next couple of days are gonna vote on whether to approve this one trillion dollar incentive package for Elon Musk.

[Joe Getty]

Shohei Ohtani's thinking, wow, that's real money.

[Jack Armstrong]

The current board chair says we have to come up with a pay package that keeps the world's richest man interested in working for our company. I mean, that's kind of the situation. If you're worth a half a trillion.

[Joe Getty]

Dollars.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, you ain't gonna show up to work and give your best effort for pocket change, which to him would be $10 billion or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

The, the, the chair there said that we will lose his time, talent, and vision, which have been essential, delivering it to. Delivering extraordinary shareholder returns. Musk said he wants a significant stake in the company as they pivot toward AI and humanoid robot. The robot named Optimus. Elon said a couple of weeks ago, if we build this robot army, do I at least have a strong influence over the robot army? I don't feel comfortable building that robot army if I don't have a strong influence over how it's used. So he wants to get a lot of. And have a lot of say and get a lot of money out of it. So.

[Joe Getty]

Well, to. To have a lot of say, that means you have a lot of shares. He's going to control the company, and that makes you crazy ass rich.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's the largest shareholder currently with 13% of the shares. But they. Are they going to give him, for instance, more than a 25% stake in the company, which would put him in a situation to maybe become the world's first trillionaire.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which, because I like this about Elon, that would have very little effect on what he wants to do with his life. Unlike Bezos, who wants to have the biggest boat in the world and the wife with the most operations on her face. Elon so focused on.

[Joe Getty]

That's a goal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Elon so focused on getting to Mars and everything like that, you know?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I mean, it's unthinkable for most of us to run into, say, $100 million and, you know, 10 times that is 1 billion. And Elon has 500 of those, right? Or so. Yeah, yeah, please. We're way beyond my comprehension.

[Jack Armstrong]

So they're gonna vote.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, you're beyond yachts. You're past buying an island and you're into like, I'm buying the Hawaiian islands, Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, exactly. So I don't know that I knew who Diane Ladd was. She's a famous actress, apparently. She died at 89 yesterday. And she had been in some. Her most famous days were many, many, many years ago. Her, her, her daughter, she was married to Bruce Dern, and then her daughter, Laura Dern, also a famous actress. Mother, daughter, Oscar winners, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's the part I found interesting about this old woman who died. Famous actress. She had spent decades trying to unsuccessfully generate backing for her pet project, a biopic of Martha Mitchell, the outspoken, alcoholic, estranged wife of convicted Watergate conspirator John Mitchell.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

She never got the funding. She spent her entire life trying to get the funding to do a biopic about this woman.

[Joe Getty]

It sounds promising.

[Jack Armstrong]

She said the ghost of Martha Mitchell had visited her and compelled her to tell her story.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

And she spent her entire adult life trying to get that movie made. And nobody would give her the money.

[Joe Getty]

So the ghost would quit haunting. Look, I'm trying. I had a meeting last week. You're not trying hard at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what you say every week. I sent them an email. That's not good enough.

[Joe Getty]

Gender Bending Madness update coming up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stay with us, Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So I've been taking in the Nick Fuentes on Tucker Carlson podcast. You either know about that story or you don't. And its role in the conversation about Republican Party and conservatism. I want to talk about that a little bit later.

[Joe Getty]

What's a minefield?

[Jack Armstrong]

Careful.

[Joe Getty]

Careful. Might offend people. Wouldn't want to do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I do have one thing that I know is could be very dangerous to say about it. Something that I definitely agree with Nick Fuentes about.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my lord. Really? That's because I don't agree with him on a lot. So that's. That's intriguing. I will stay tuned. Of course I have to by contract. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, the battle goes on. It's a gender bending madness update.

[Guest Speaker]

So I kept hearing about this thing called.

[Jack Armstrong]

Deloko.

[Joe Getty]

We're in a brave new world. We begin in Los Angeles, California at the Gold's Gym.

[Caller/Guest]

Did you tell me or not that women like to see asking you question. Exactly, exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get out of the way.

[Caller/Guest]

No, now he knows how to be a man, right? Now he knows how to be a man. Stay out of the women's locker room. We don't want it. He needs to have his gym membership evoked for that. And the woman told you he assaulted me? The girl told already.

[Joe Getty]

A fitness enthusiast female who undressed, turned around and saw a full grown intact male in the locker room giving her the eyeball. This adult male happens to have a bob and earrings in and masquerades as a woman. But Tish Hyman, the name of the young lady there was not having it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Her last name is Hyman.

[Joe Getty]

I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Odd.

[Joe Getty]

She is also, it's probably worth noting, I think she's a lesbian. And there are increasing numbers of folks in the LGB community who are saying, look, this whole fake tea thing is doing us no good. Not to mention the notion that, all right, I'm a butch woman, I'm not a lesbian, I'm actually in the wrong body and need to be mutilated and fed hormones and stuff like that. A lot of gay people are like, no, I'm just the way I'm supposed to be. And I'm gonna keep being this way.

[Jack Armstrong]

So anyway, Ms. Hyman turns around and sees this guy. I can only assume his name. Last name is Scrotum with a crank. He's got a full crank there.

[Joe Getty]

I'm not sure he's undressed, but yeah, he's okay. He's a grown man looking at her naked and she wasn't having it. Next clip, she's explaining what's going on in the lobby.

[Caller/Guest]

Grown man with big in the women's locker room. And that's why I'm getting kicked out. And I want to make sure the girls know.

[Joe Getty]

And interestingly, the people around her, including quite a few women, are just pretending they don't hear her and don't see her and just have their eyes down and are moving around like good little sheep don't get the attention of the wolf. Little sheep walk around women and continue to just let men masquerading as women trample on your rights and your private space.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would loudly say, is this actually what's happening here? We're kicking out the woman who's complaining? There's a dude in the locker room. That's who we're kicking out. I just want to make this, get.

[Announcer]

This for the record.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. She has been kicked out of the gym and her membership revoked. Here she is in her car explaining.

[Caller/Guest]

Today I was naked in the locker room. I turned around and there's a man there. And boy, like boy clothes, lip gloss, standing there looking at me. I'm butt naked. So the first thing I think is, maybe there's a worker in here. Maybe I missed a sign. I say the word sir to say sir, what are you doing in here? He goes, don't talk to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm a woman.

[Caller/Guest]

I have a right to be in here. Immediately I'm pissed because I'm butt naked. I feel violated. I feel like, weird, like I don't want to deal with this. Right. Listen, how can you say you're a woman or you want to be a woman and you don't care how women feel?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a decent point.

[Joe Getty]

It's an excellent point and one that J.K. rowling has made very eloquently over and over again.

[Jack Armstrong]

And bringing up the also controversy of is it butt naked or buck naked? Always difficult to know.

[Joe Getty]

You know, it's one of those things. I'm a stickler. But so many people say butt naked, you just, you got to give up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because we can see your butt, I guess, is the theory.

[Joe Getty]

Well, yeah, it's. It's an understandable mistake. Yes. Anyway, so. So much of the world has woken up to the fact that the transgender madness was. Was that madness. But you got to remember there are a hell of a lot of people who are still, they're like, still climbing the hill toward woke radical gender theory. They're still like, catching up to the activists. All of the rest of us are way past the peak of the madness and trying to fight it, but that fight's gonna go on for a long time. Colin Wright has been one of the people fighting it valiantly. He's a thinker and academic and a writer these days. And a couple of things from him. Number one, he tweeted the other day about a peer reviewed paper that claims anti drag sentiment has negatively impacted K through 12 school environments, but provided an important opportunity to celebrate how drag pedagogy can transform school environment's relationship to sexuality and gender expression. The need for a drag focused framework for educator preparation and school leadership programs, blah, blah, blah, four components for centralizing drag in the preparation of aspiring teachers, counselors and school leaders. And he writes, just in case that didn't quite sink in. They want to expose kindergarteners to drag shows. They're arguing that Adult men dressed in women's clothing should be invited into your 5 year old's classroom to perform sexually suggestive dance routines in front of them.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know I say this every time. I just, I don't get the drag thing. I don't get how it came out of nowhere, how it has gained any acceptance whatsoever. And the pushback is always, well, why not where? I think it's better to start with the why?

[Joe Getty]

Why are we having grown men dance suggestively in front of little children in girls clothing? Well, at school.

[Jack Armstrong]

At school. Why?

[News Reporter]

Why?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't understand.

[Joe Getty]

In the sane world, there's no possible explanation for it. In the activist, radical gender theory world, it is the beginning of blurring the lines between men and women and pretending that there are multiple genders and you can change which one you are. They do it deliberately to indoctrinate the kids, obviously.

[Jack Armstrong]

But we've all seen the videos. The parents showing such enthusiasm as these.

[Joe Getty]

Because they think they're enlightened.

[Jack Armstrong]

These dudes dance around in the kindergarten or whatever with the little kids just like clapping along, I don't know what's happening or whatever. And the parents are just so enthused that this is happening. What the freak is wrong with you?

[Joe Getty]

I know. They are soft headed sheep. So Cullen goes on to write for the Wall Street Journal. I was an academic scientist at Penn State in February of 2020 when I became the target of an online mob for tweeting about transgender identity. I shared a link to an article from the Guardian with the accompanying quote Sweden's Board of Health and confirmed a 1500% rise between 2008 and 2018. Again, that's a 1500% rise, meaning 16 times as many between 2008 and 2018. Ten years in gender dysphoria diagnoses among 13 to 17 year old girls. My commentary was brief. Two words, social contagion, which it obviously is, and practically everybody agrees with that now. Within hours, colleagues denounced me as a transphobic bigot. Anonymous activists emailed universities to poison my job prospects. A professional job board even published mock job listings warning others not to hire me. My academic career never recovered, but I wasn't making an offhand remark or comparing people, a group of people, to a disease vector, as some accused me of doing. I was referring to research published by Lisa Littman, physician researcher, formerly with Brown University, who had coined the term rapid onset gender dysphoria in a 2018 peer reviewed paper to describe a newly emerging cohort of adolescents, overwhelmingly girls with no childhood history of gender dysphoria or even sex nonconformity, who suddenly began describing themselves as transgender, often after friends in their peer group did the same. Dr. Littman proposed that this pattern was best explained by social contagion, meaning the spread of ideas or behaviors through peer influence. The term isn't an insult, it's a well established sociological concept described used to describe how such trends as eating disorders and even suicide clusters can spread. And he continues at some length, which I would love to read to you about how the fact that this is now completely accepted, but the radical gender crowd was canceling people and ending their careers right and left for saying what is clearly true. Anyway, final note, the LA professional women's soccer team, whose name I do not recall, there was an article about Sorry, I meant to have it open in front of me about the fact that it's an editorial, an op ed that says the National Women's Soccer League. Oops, that is not what it's supposed to be. Must adopt gender standards to keep growing. It's written by a woman, Elizabeth Eddy, and she makes the obvious point, you can't have dudes in women's soccer. It will ruin the sport. Well, some of her teammates and other players have responded. Michael Clip 75 is a player by the name of Sarah Gordon.

[Guest Speaker]

We've all obviously seen the article that was written in the New York Post earlier this week. So I really want to start off by saying that that article does not speak for this team in this locker room. I've had a lot of convos with my teammates in the past few days and they are hurt and they are harmed by the article and also they are disgusted by some of the things that were said in the article. And it's really important for me to say that. And we don't agree with the things written for a plethora of reasons, but mostly the undertones come across as transphobic and racist as well.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh wow. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

That is a woman in women's sports demanding that nobody say that men should not be allowed to be in their sport. In essence, because she thinks she's being enlightened and woke, she goes on.

[Guest Speaker]

The article calls for genetic testing on certain players and it has a photo of an African player as a headline and that's very harmful. And to me it's inherently racist because to single out this community based on them looking or being different is absolutely a problem. And as a mixed woman with a Bellack family, I'm devastated by the undertones of this article.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. That is some absolute woke nonsense.

[Clip Speaker]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Differences in appearance, it's a male. The appearance don't enter into it, sweetheart. She is a soft head. She has no idea what she's talking about. She is a woke cultist who doesn't have the power of critical thinking. I'm sure she's an outstanding soccer player. But the problem is if enough of those soft heads cultists get together and howl for your blood, you will, like Colin Wright, see your career derailed, your ability to feed your family derailed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Did she mean by difference of appearance they have a crank?

[Joe Getty]

That's one of the differences. Yes, yes. The penis, the testicles, etc. The bulkier skeleton, muscle mass, lungs, heart, et cetera. It is hard to believe somebody could be that immune from logic, in fact. But a lot of people, including tragically a lot of women are. And again, if you get enough of those cultists howling for your blood, you will be harmed. It's gender bending madness.

[Guest Speaker]

So I kept hearing about this thing called.

[Joe Getty]

Ed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's always interesting on the ranking of which group is which wins out because I'm, I'm looking up at TV and they've got that woman from the Gold's Gym. She's a black woman. Normally a black woman is going to win any battle over any other group, but in this case she was up against a trans person.

[Joe Getty]

Right? So even a black lesbian woman.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Black lesbian woman.

[Joe Getty]

Below on the the totem pole of grievance. A transgender dude. He's a dude.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Wearing earrings and saying therefore he gets to get into the women's locker room. It's absolutely insane. You know, speaking of woke attitudes, I've got all sorts of stuff we haven't gotten to about liberal judges turning scumbags loose on the streets. Even after they offend over and over again to hurt you and take your stuff. That's why you want simply safe home security. It is different. It's the only home security you can actually call real security. Because Simplisafe keeps watch outside your home and takes action before a criminal terminal breaks in.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I've got to the headline of the day which includes a beheading which takes an interesting twist among other things on the way. Stay here. All right.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Dodgers win the World Series. After they win the World Series, they riot. Of course they do. That's what you do in Los Angeles after your team wins. And there was a giant what looked to be a lot of fun parade yesterday. Here's Jon Stewart on the Daily show commenting on that great news for America this weekend. We finally defeated our worst enemy, Canada.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

But congratulations to Los Angeles. I hope that you are celebrating safely and responsibly as you enjoy this very. No.

[Caller/Guest]

What are you. God, no. No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fire. Really?

[Caller/Guest]

Your whole city is kindling. What are we doing?

[Jack Armstrong]

Whatever happened to a good old fashioned wholesome water balloon celebration? Yeah, I don't know why and when we decided it's okay to destroy a whole bunch of public property that taxpayers have to pay for if your team wins. Well, you know, boys will be boys. You gotta let them. They have to have a release valve.

[Joe Getty]

For all that energy or.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or what? It's funny. I can get really excited and I manage not to destroy anything.

[Joe Getty]

Anywho, I just think the calculation's been made. Stopping it would cause more trouble than it would save the first time. I'm not saying I agree.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe the first time it wouldn't. After that, once you make it clear, oh, you go to jail for a long time and pay a heavy price. So you don't want to do this. Different topic. So a buddy of mine who lives in Salt Lake City, where we are on the air, sent me a clip of a musician. It was a news article of a musician we both like named Todd Snyder, who apparently got in a drunken fight outside his hotel and end up in the hospital. And then when they let him out of the hospital, he got in a fight with the hospital because he says they should have kept him in there. Anyway, it's your. One of your drunken drug addict musician sorts of stories. But he sends this to me because we both like this musician. And below it on the same TV news feed was this story. And I thought, this is the interesting one, the headline. And I didn't click on it. Illegal immigrant arrested for decapitating boss and kicking head in front of family.

[Joe Getty]

Oh.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's not in good form.

[Joe Getty]

Which family? I mean, neither family. Would it be a good.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm a. I was assuming it was his boss's family. Although it could be his own family. Maybe I should have clicked on the story. So, yeah, cut the head off your boss and kicked his head. You're not, you're not. Okay.

[Joe Getty]

No, I don't want you in my country, certainly not walking the streets.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I would love to know what percentage of you are even aware of the name Nick Fuentes. Then I would like to know how many of you are following the supposed giant controversy about Nick Fuentes being on Tucker Carlson show. I'd like to know how many of you watched it. I'd like to know how many of you agree with his takes on the Jews control everything and all that sort of stuff. I don't really have a sense of it. I have zero sense of it. That's one of the problems with, you know, modern media and social media and all that sort of stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Very online.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, stuff gets blown into. In the world of the online. It's a very big story and people are commenting back and forth like crazy. But that might just be like the online world. Like my, my parents are very maga. I don't know if they've ever heard the name Nick Fuentes. I'll bet they haven't. But that doesn't mean anything either. So I don't, I don't know, but so he's 27 years old. He's a way out there guy politically. And Tucker Carlson had him on his show the other day. And so I did a bit of a deep dive on this Nick Fuentes, the guy who blames all the problems of the world on the Juice and like, was watching. He's been kicked off of every platform. He's still on Twitter. But, man, he. He is out there with his. The Jews caused all the problems and he has millions of followers. I don't know. You know, we're a very, very big country. I don't know at what point millions of followers turns into a movement that you have to reckon with.

[Joe Getty]

Some would suggest you nip that sort of thing in the bud.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I want to talk more about that because it could be a story if you don't get that now.

[Joe Getty]

Or 4.

[Jack Armstrong]

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