It Was Dumbledore You Illiterate!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "It Was Dumbledore You Illiterate!"
Date: November 14, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode covers a mix of current social phenomena and political controversies, with Jack and Joe blending their usual wit and skepticism. Major themes include unsolicited gym interactions, the Jeffrey Epstein email scandal and BBC’s journalism crisis, AI’s ability to recreate deceased loved ones, John Fetterman’s mental health journey, and wide-ranging reflections on the impacts of AI and modern technology on society and literacy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Women & Unwanted Gym/Golf Attention

[03:23–05:00]

• Jack shares texts from female listeners frustrated by men striking up conversations at the gym and recounts a friend’s negative experiences golfing alone.
• Joe offers a blunt male perspective:

  “They see a fish within reach of their line, so they throw their line in. Simple as that.” – Joe Getty [04:42]

• Both express empathy for women feeling harassed and recognize why it would deter solo activities.

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2. Clips of the Week & Media Integrity

[05:00–10:37]

• Discussion moves into their "Clips of the Week," touching on controversies including Epstein emails, Trump, Lauren Boebert, airline cancellations, and more.
• Notably, they discuss audio manipulation involving Trump on BBC and the resulting scandal:
  • BBC edited two Trump remarks, far apart in time, into a single misleading clip, leading to resignations at the top of the BBC.
  • The massive public funding and cultural omnipresence of the BBC is explored, compared to NPR:

    “The BBC is much bigger and its funding model much more intrusive...a compulsory tax to support the BBC with their taxpayers with their incredibly slanted news coverage.” – Jack Armstrong [12:31]

  • The impact on British journalism careers and society, as well as the challenges of ideological homogeneity in major media outlets.

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3. AI Chatbots of Dead Relatives – Ethical & Emotional Quandaries

[15:24–24:12]

• Armstrong & Getty react with skepticism and discomfort toward AI services that emulate deceased relatives, giving examples of “AI Grandma” comforting children or offering parental advice:
  • Jack:

    “I just am so turned off by this. So the creepy, creepy, creepy..." [21:37]

  • Joe jokes:

    “Hey, zombie granny. You don’t have any emotions. You’re a bunch of circuits.” – Joe Getty [22:41]

  • They recall the Harry Potter "Mirror of Erised" analogy (hence the episode title), pointing out the dangers of immersing in simulated relationships:

    “Dumbledore talked to him about how dangerous that was and you can get lost in that. You illiterate.” – Joe Getty [23:32]

  • Their consensus: While some may find comfort, there’s a risk of emotional confusion and unresolved grief, especially for children.

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4. The John Fetterman Memoir & Authenticity in Politics

[28:03–36:15]

• Jack and Joe reflect on the unusual political career of John Fetterman, who has been honest about his mental health struggles and dissatisfactions.
• Fetterman’s new memoir is described as frank and somber, avoiding typical political optimism.
  • A particularly moving detail:

  “When he was elected to the US Senate, he felt nothing. The next day he was in a daze of doom, staring at a bridge, contemplating suicide…” [29:36]

  • Jack notes the power of Fetterman’s family’s love (through post-it notes in his hospital room) influencing his recovery, emphasizing that reminders about the effect on loved ones can help those experiencing depression.
• They discuss a recent interview with Katie Couric where Fetterman resists being led to criticize political figures in the wake of tragic events, describing the media’s obsession with extracting “bad or good Trump quotes":

  “That was very annoying.” – Jack Armstrong [32:37]

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5. AI, Technology, and the Decline of Literacy

[41:41–46:39]

• The looming transformation of society by AI is discussed, referencing tweets/writers Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Greg Lukianoff.
  • Fears about AI destroying creative fields, jobs, and the ability to discern reality from fiction; concern that the upcoming generation may not learn to read:

    “We have already seen the last truly literate generation.” – Matt Walsh, read by Joe Getty [42:34]

  • Jack notes the historical blip of widespread literacy (since the 1700s), suggesting we’re possibly at its end.
• They reflect on the importance of reading, long walks (citing Nietzsche:

  "Only thoughts that come by walking have any value." [44:59]) and unplugged time, contrasting with the encroachment of always-on technology and input.

• Both hosts admit to loving podcasts while walking but recognize the value of silent, unmediated thought.

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6. AI for Fun & Danger – Manipulating Images & Voices

[47:10–48:23]

• The hosts share anecdotes about using AI to create funny but uncanny images/videos of loved ones doing unlikely things.
• Discussion about using AI to simulate conversations with dead celebrities (Bob Saget, Norm MacDonald) instead of loved ones.

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7. Final Thoughts

[48:23–49:59]

• Quick, lighthearted wrap-up includes nods to the importance of real-world social experiences (“Those are the inputs you need.” – Jack Armstrong [49:00]), the creepiness of zombie celebrity/family AI, and a plug for their show’s merchandise.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On AI Grandparents:

  “I just am so turned off by this. So the creepy, creepy, creepy... Both examples... That’s weird.” – Jack Armstrong [21:37]

• On the BBC Scandal:

  "The fact that the BBC is omnipresent in British society means that for decades it’s served as the interior decorator arranging Britain’s mental furniture.” – (quoted by Joe Getty) [14:16]

• Harry Potter Analogy:

  "Dumbledore talked to him about how dangerous that was and you can get lost in that. You illiterate.” – Joe Getty [23:32]

• On Unplugging:

  “Anyway, unplug now and again, folks. Good for your mind, good for your soul.” – Joe Getty [46:54]

• On Literacy’s Brief History:

  “Reading books...has only lasted and it's, it's ending now, only lasted about 300 years...now it's going to go away.” – Jack Armstrong [43:52]

• On Fetterman’s Honesty:

  “Who writes that about themselves as an adult? ‘I didn’t deserve anything except loneliness and sadness and isolation ...” – Jack Armstrong [33:39]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [03:23–05:00]: Unwanted gym/golf attention toward women
• [05:00–10:37]: Clips of the week & BBC scandal
• [15:24–24:12]: AI recreating deceased loved ones ("AI Grandma" debate)
• [28:03–36:15]: John Fetterman's memoir, depression in politics
• [41:41–46:39]: AI, the future of literacy, and unplugging
• [47:10–48:23]: AI humor with family/celebrity simulations
• [48:23–49:59]: Final thoughts and farewells

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Overall Tone

Conversational, skeptical, and wryly humorous, with moments of genuine empathy—especially when discussing mental health and the impact of technology on society. The hosts engage in candid, at times irreverent banter, anchoring their observations in pop culture and current events. The show continues its tradition of honest, sometimes contrarian, discourse mixed with self-deprecation and jokes at each other’s expense.

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This summary covers all substantive content and key insights, skipping over advertisements and non-content segments as instructed.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and. And get it. I've got a lot of text similar to this one. Jack. I'm so sick of men talking to me at the gym. I just want to work out. I used to wear a leave me alone T shirt. If you have a question about glutes, Google it. Don't talk to me, but that it would suck if that happens to you all the time. I have a friend, she wanted to get into golfing and she had her afternoons free. So she'd go golfing by herself. She said she couldn't ever go. She'd be out there golfing by herself. Every five minutes, some guy rides, hey, you want to golf with us? You need somebody to golf with? Or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All constantly. She's just, oh, I'm okay by my. You know, oh, that would wear you out. That would get annoying. That would get. Knowing that people are looking at you and trying. Yeah, I get it. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I'm tempted to go off on a.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tangent and what I. What I don't get from you dudes who do that sort of thing. Do you really think an attractive woman golfing alone just doesn't have any way to meet men? And she just doesn't. It's. That's. That's why she's out there by herself. She just has no way to meet a dude. So you coming by and talking to her.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, no. I don't think guys think that they see a fish within reach of their line, so they throw their line in. Simple as that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can see how it'd be very annoying, though, as a woman, that you'd think, I can't go golf by myself or I can't go to the gym by myself because somebody talks to me every five minutes.

[Joe Getty]

It's too tiresome. Yeah, yeah, Totally. Yeah. Unfortunate. So we've got a lot to squeeze into the final hour of the Week. But first, let's take a fond look back at the week that was its cow Clips of the week.

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Expect of the week.

[Jack Armstrong]

The bombshell release of what House Democrats say are emails.

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To and from deceased convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

[Joe Getty]

This vote is going to be on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Your record for longer than Trump is going to be president.

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And Lauren Boebert herself was called here to the White House, had a meeting inside the Situation Room.

[Jack Armstrong]

These emails prove absolutely nothing other than the fact that President Trump did nothing wrong. Do you think President Trump has something to hide here? I don't, because I believe the women. And the women have said over and over again that Donald Trump did nothing wrong.

[Joe Getty]

1200 flights have been canceled all across the US today.

[Jack Armstrong]

My little one has learned the word ice cream. And she made me make sure I promised her to get her ice cream when I get back home from the trip. That being said, nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing unsafe come to defeat me. That little girl and her ice cream.

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The longest government shutdown in American history.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could be coming to an end.

[Joe Getty]

Democrats nationwide feeling about Chuck Schumer.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think the word of the day is terrible.

[Joe Getty]

No way to defend this.

[Jack Armstrong]

You are right to be angry. I cannot believe it. Turmoil at Britain's premier broadcaster with President Trump right in the middle. We're gonna walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you. And we fight.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Anytime, any place. Bunch of fascists in the face. He says, excuse me, sir. So misgendering me right away.

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You're not a woman.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's obvious.

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This is a police matter.

[Jack Armstrong]

We need to protect women's safety. I would assault. I was assaulted. No, they are not. They are men. I was assaulted by women. Hey, optimist, do you know where I can get a Coke? I can take you to the kitchen if you want to check for a Coke there.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, that'd be great.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, let's do that. This is a very big play, don't you think? They have to get a touchdown. Let's put it differently. They just have to get a touch.

[Joe Getty]

Up who's going to be a great grandmother.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, Charlie, congratulations. We don't want to talk about Epstein. We say no. Oh, no, no, no. It's clips of the week. We really ought to do the story about having your dead relative talk to you again.

[Joe Getty]

An AI chatbot hologram app of your dead granny.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we'll do that coming up. I won't read all the texts. Getting lots of texts about this whole gym interaction. It's kind of an Interesting thing. We got a number of texts from. I'm a woman and I wish guys would hit on me and they don't, and it's hurtful. Got that. Got this sort of thing. Don't dress like a. And we'll leave you alone. So that's. Well, that's kind of different.

[Joe Getty]

Different point of view.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nick Fuentes. Incel view of the whole thing, I think.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. I'm gonna do one Epstein email and I'll shut up about it. Newly released email shows that Epstein thought Trump was one of the worst people he knew and didn't have one decent cell in his body. Well, he kicked you out of the club. He kicked you out of Mar a Lago, so you're really, really pissed off. I understand that dynamic. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I don't. I would certainly prefer that my politicians be really good moral people. I have never thought that about Donald Trump. He's effective, he's had some great policies. But, yeah, if somebody says, yeah, he's really not that moral a guy, he's not really a good guy, rings fairly true to me. Just have bigger problems than that.

[Jack Armstrong]

We will get to the AI Loved one passing thing for you. Coming up soon. There are a number of clips in the Clips of the Week that I would comment on. I don't know what to do about Clips of the week. We do this every week and I don't know any way around it, but sometimes there's stuff in there that I'm afraid you didn't hear. Like it's, you know, it's an AI voice and you think it's a real voice. In this case, it was Donald Trump. It was actually Donald Trump's voice, but he never said. That clip that we had in there, that was the falsely edited version from BBC that they are now being sued about. And we put it in Clips of the week. BBC edited that together. There were like two things Trump said and almost an hour apart, they put it together to make it seem like it was one thought. And now the head of BBC and the number two at BBC, probably the most important news organization on planet Earth, the head of that news organization stepped down over that lying documentary that they put out a little over a year ago. And they should have.

[Joe Getty]

I came across a great perspective on that from a guy named Joseph Sternberg, who, anyway, he's writing about that scandal and he says from afar it might look as though the crisis engulfing the British Broadcasting Corporation is only about the dishonest, dead ending of Trump, etc. Oh, no, friends you're witnessing the meltdown of a core institution of British society. And then he describes the editing scandal that you just described. And so they did. They did all that. And he says, for what? I defy any reader to furnish evidence that a single American voter in 2024 was swayed by the BBC report about anything. No sensible BBC staffer could have thought that airing this clip in this form on the show would convey useful information about what a Trump win might mean for the domestic British audience that watched it. And then he says, one suspects that the panorama that was the show report was created solely to tickle the emotional pleasure centers of the journalists involved in the liberals among their audience. And then he points out, oh, and then he goes into BBC's Arabic service, which is flamingly anti Israel, and the LGBTQ desk that suppresses anything contrary to to far left beliefs at the BBC. And then the most interesting part to me was he says, this is rocking Britain in a way that Americans may struggle to fathom. If their frame of reference is US Public broadcasting, the BBC is much bigger and its funding model much more intrusive. You pay an annual tax of 230 bucks a year. Every British household watching any live programming, BBC or otherwise. It's a compulsory tax to support the.

[Jack Armstrong]

BBC with their taxpayers with their incredibly slanted news coverage. That's wild.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I know. Taxpayers. US taxpayers granted $525 million to public broadcasting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

They're Congress cut off the spigot.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was calling them the world's NPR or Britain's npr. They're way more what we always complain about. Npr. NPR was getting taxpayer money, but not near to that level.

[Joe Getty]

And to finish the comparison, Corporation for Public Public Broadcasting got about half a billion dollars from the government. Okay. From taxpayers. Half a billion. The BBC got $5 billion. Wow. In tax money. It is omnipresent. Four entertainment oriented television channels, two children's channels, feeds from Parliament, local language channel channels in Scotland and Wales, a domestic 24 hour news channel, dozens of radio stations operates and audio streaming services and several smartphone apps.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Internationally it combines news, is public diplomacy via the World Service, etc. Etc. It is enormous.

[Jack Armstrong]

So the head of the BBC resigned and the number two resigned Sunday night. And we did this story Monday morning. And until then I was unaware the BBC was really the biggest news organization on planet Earth. I didn't know that. So it's a pretty big deal. The fact that Brits put up with, I assume about half Brits don't agree with the politics of the BBC. So Y' all are paying that much money for something that is propaganda that you don't believe in? That's amazing. Did it used to be more fair and that's how it got going?

[Joe Getty]

I think so, yeah. The left has moved so far left in recent years, just like in the us. But he makes one more really interesting observation. The fact that the BBC is omnipresent in British society means that for decades the BBC has served as the interior decorator arranging Britain's mental furniture. Which is a nice metaphor. But the effect is amplified because working at the BBC is a dream job for many journalists and creatives, and that kills any incentive to saddle your resume with any output that could one day turn off a BBC hiring manager.

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Wow.

[Joe Getty]

So it is the super, super giant of journalism and you wouldn't dare put out anything early in your career that would challenge the BBC's leftist point of view.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

So it's like if you want to be a journalist, the whole world of media was the New York Times or the old New York Times. Pre Barry Weiss leaving New York Times.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's something.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

So good news. Your relative died, but they can still talk to you through AI, give you parenting advice. Grandma can talk to your son. It's fantastic, isn't it? Is it? Is it really?

[Guest or Interviewee]

What?

[Jack Armstrong]

We'll get into that from beyond the grave. You're gonna find this troubling. Stay tuned.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Can you tell that story or not tell that story?

[Joe Getty]

Not today.

[Jack Armstrong]

So someday in the future maybe. That'd be a good one. That'd be a good one because everybody's run into that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Never in doubt, often wrong would be the theme.

[Jack Armstrong]

We have a tiny bit of breaking news. President Trump says he's directing Attorney General Bondi to investigate Bill Clinton's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein. So he's trying to turn the table here at the end of the week after a full week of lefty and mainstream media going hard on Epstein, he thinks, okay, I gotta get out in front of this now. He's gonna have Bondi going after the Clinton connection. So it's not just him.

[Joe Getty]

Is Epstein the shark attacks of 2025?

[Jack Armstrong]

I hope not because that would mean something bad is gonna happen.

[Joe Getty]

Well yeah, yeah. If you don't recall, just before 911 there are all sorts of stupid news stories about shark attacks. It became a craze in the media.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is this gonna become a craze? I do not know. Like if I had video. I don't have any video audio of my dad at all. I should get some. He's still with me, perfectly fine. But if he passed away, I don't have any audio and video of my dad, I don't think. But if I did, I could have him recreated by AI and you can have, you know, grandma talk to your kid or maybe you're your passed away mom give you some advice on having a baby. Here, here's a clip of that. He's getting bigger, see? Oh honey, that's wonderful. Kicking like crazy. He's listening. Put your hand on your tummy and hum to him. You used to love that.

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Hi grandma.

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Hey Charlie.

[Jack Armstrong]

How was school today? It was really fun. Look who's gonna be a great grandmother. Oh Charlie, congratulations.

[Joe Getty]

She says that he's been kicking a lot though.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tell her to put her hand on her tummy and hum to him. You loved that.

[Joe Getty]

You would have loved this moment.

[Jack Armstrong]

You can call anytime. I just am so turned off by this. So the creepy, creepy, creepy. Both examples. So if I wanted my grandma to be involved in my kids childhood, I'm gonna lead my little kids when they're too young to understand what's going on that they're talking to Grandma. That's weird.

[Joe Getty]

Can Grandma come visit? Not really.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's busy. That the weekend of your birthday? We'll have her on the computer. That's it. And then, and then do you get any actual comfort or like, warm feelings about having an AI version of your grandma talk to you about your pregnancy and feign emotion and pretend it's like, delight?

[Joe Getty]

That little Charlie, whatever the hell little Charlie did, he got an A in his math class or threw a ball or I. I got lost there.

[Jack Armstrong]

But, well, the baby. Oh, that's wonderful, Charlie.

[Joe Getty]

Well, hey, hey, zombie granny. You don't have any emotions. You're a bunch of circuits.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something here. I would not feel actual comfort. I think I would only get sadness out of this. But maybe I'm wrong.

[Joe Getty]

I tell you what, I figured it out listening to that because you asked earlier. Who would want that? The sort of people who heard the music in that ad and weren't immediately aware. Oh, they're trying to manipulate me emotionally with this happy piano music. People who would miss that would. Would sign up for the stupid app. We got this email from John. I remember when my kids were watching the Harry Potter movies, there was a mirror that Harry could use to see his parents, right? One of the head wizards. One of the head wizards. It was Dumbledore. You illiterate.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway.

[Joe Getty]

I kid Dumbledore talked to him about how dangerous that was and you can get lost in that.

[Jack Armstrong]

You illiterate.

[Joe Getty]

I was kidding. John's got a good sense of humor.

[Jack Armstrong]

He knows that's right. Harry talked to his dead parents. Of course, the idea was that they're like, it can actually, you know, think and converse. And it's not just a made up computer voice and it's not completely phony. It was like, all right, magic. It was his magic.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. This is the magic of AI.

[Jack Armstrong]

God damn. I hope this is not where we're headed that people are gonna do this. You know when you're a little kid and you talk to Grandma? Grandma's been dead for 40 years. You weren't actually talking to grandma. Sorry I lied to you.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Of Strange Political Stories the John Fetterman story is a damned interesting one. Beginning to end. We mocked him when he was running for Senate in Pennsylvania, endlessly, as a guy who'd never accomplished anything in his life and seemed to be a socialist and had never had a real job and lived in his mom's basement and blah blah blah blah blah. And the whole wearing shorts and a hoodie all the time and pretending to be working class when you've never had a job.

[Joe Getty]

Went to Harvard, didn't he? Yeah, something like that, yeah, he did. Yeah. If you wrote this story, nobody'd buy it. They'd think this did. No, it's too crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Then he has a stroke. What? While he's running for Senate, Kind of disappears for a while, comes back, remember? Has that weird debate with Dr. Oz where he locks up and makes no sense and everything like that. He ends up winning partially because he's running against Dr. Oz. Then he gets in. Then he gets into the Senate and particularly after October 7, really showed himself to be an independent thinker as being a solid supporter of Israel, an anti Hamas, despite where the direction his party was going, and lots of different things. He's a very independent thinking guy and I regularly agree with him. Him, he's got a memoir out. New York Times says John Federman's memoir is unlike any politician's book you've read on a crowded shelf of memoirs by sitting politicians. John Federman's new book has to be one of the strangest. You'll find none of the genre's usual tropes. No can do optimism. That's why I never read these things. They're just ridiculous. Usually they're not written by the person and they're just never ending. Can do Optimism, affability, evidence of a politician's instinct to glad hand for the next election. I mean, just, you know, trying to work you for the next time they run. And they're just always so phony. It's like a campaign ad or whatever, but that's not what it is. In this one, it's not entirely clear from Unfettered whether Federman plans to ever run again for any election. And he talks about how he had been in depth about being hospitalized for a stroke for a few months before he beat Dr. Oz, and how when he was elected to the US Senate, he felt nothing. The next day he was in a daze of doom, staring at a bridge, contemplating suicide the day after being elected to the U.S. senate. I might actually read this. I find that really interesting. He doesn't show up for a lot of votes. So I don't know that you said earlier you don't know why he hasn't resigned. Maybe he's just gonna play out his term and then never run again.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I do.

[Jack Armstrong]

He does need to support himself, though, with some money from somewhere.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Especially after his heart stoppage. I would think he's either completely rededicated to being a senator and the time he has left, or he wants to quit to not, you know, upset his ticker again. But I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

He is one of the Democrats who voted to reopen the government, by a way. So I haven't heard any of this with Katie Couric that we're about to play. He did went on her podcast and I heard some stuff about it sounded interesting. This is Fetterman talking to news legend.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Katie Couric, a father of young children, was. Was shot in public because of his political views. And. And that's a tragedy and give people the space to. To grieve.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you think that flags should have been flown at half staff? Do you think his body should have been flown on Air Force Two? Do you think he should have posthumously be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom? I think some people felt that that was perhaps over the top in terms of mourning someone like Charlie Kirk. How did you feel about that?

[Guest or Interviewee]

I'd say that that was his choice and his prerogative, and that's where that was really entirely up to him.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Hindsight over some of the things that Charlie Kirk said and some of the rhetoric he used during his life?

[Guest or Interviewee]

I didn't agree with much of it. I didn't closely followed his specific kinds of views that would never justify what's happened.

[Joe Getty]

What's the context of that question? Katie, what are you driving at?

[Jack Armstrong]

She's trying to get him to say bad things about Trump. That's what everybody does. Trump went too far in honoring Charlie Kirk, didn't he? And then you dig deeper when they don't have a good answer. That that's the only thing you can get out of anything in politics to get you to say something good about Trump or bad about Trump. That was very annoying.

[Joe Getty]

That was a bizarre follow up question. The whole did they go too far in the tributes? No, that's Trump's prerogative. Well, what about Charlie Kirk's rhetoric? Do you have any issues with his rhetoric? Sure. But what does that have to do.

[Jack Armstrong]

With him getting shot in the neck? Back to the book. Most of Unfettered is unrelentingly dour and mournful. Despite having parents who, quote, provided me with every comfort. Fetterman identifies strongly with blue collar workers who feel betrayed and forgotten. Okay, that's fine. He recounts the many times he felt overwhelmed by shame and self loathing. I didn't deserve anything except loneliness and sadness and isolation. Who writes that about themselves as an adult? I didn't deserve.

[Joe Getty]

It wasn't just the stroke that brought on the depression.

[Jack Armstrong]

Obviously I didn't deserve anything except loneliness and sadness and isolation. In 2023, he spent six weeks at Walter Reed National Military Medical center being treated for severe depression. Six weeks, a month and a half is a long time to be in the hospital for depression. His memoir is dedicated to anyone with depression, which includes extended quotations from staffers and family members who implored him to obtain medical treatment and stick with it. His wife spends a lot of her time taking care to ensure that their three children don't blame themselves for their father's state.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow, that's sad.

[Jack Armstrong]

His children covered Fetterman's hospital room with colorful post it notes reminding him how much he is loved. Wow, that's some powerful stuff there.

[Joe Getty]

My goodness. Yeah. The fabulous and wise Peggy Noonan touches on his book and kind of reviews it and points out that he doesn't mind talking about where he stands and why, isn't afraid of big issues, and is most animated when speaking of his non progressive views. And she goes into some detail on that and compares it and contrasts it with Kamala Harris's hilariously shallow book, which is hilariously shallow.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's funny the New York Times doesn't mention Kamala Harris, but they, they beat up Fetterman for not taking, you know, a stronger stand on certain issues and overlooking some issues he's been on the wrong side of and that sort of thing. A guy just wrote a book about. He dedicates it to people with depression. His book is about being a guy who had a horrible depression and how it factors into his political life. You don't get that he's not really interested in having to explain his views on this vote or that vote. I find that interesting. Here's something though, worth saying. I think as he points out there he says the big turnaround for him with his depression was doctors convincing him that that how awful would be for his kids and his family if he killed himself and then all those post it notes his family put up. That's an interesting thing to know if you're ever dealing with somebody with depression. The whole here's who you would affect and a reason to live actually had an effect on a guy as depressed as him. I've never been like that. Thank God. I can't imagine what that's like, but that actually pulled him out of it. The then this would not be good for them.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely true. Yeah. I will just tell you that's absolutely true. Speaking of a healthy mind, a couple of thoughts why don't we break semi on time? A couple of thoughts about AI and and its effect on people's brains and and just staying healthy in your head. I don't want to give any more away than that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. This is going to be funny. Deep.

[Joe Getty]

Both both both deep and funny. The old dnf.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

That's what I bring to the table, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's next Stay here.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

This show created a bonding experience for.

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[Jack Armstrong]

My main goal is to give something to the fans that they didn't expect. Travis Kelsey, he brings a lot of happiness.

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[Guest or Interviewee]

You got teammates, I got teammates.

[Jack Armstrong]

You've got Coach Reed. I've got. So what is that, Michael? Disney Plus December 12th. The Taylor Swift docu series coming to your TV screen.

[Joe Getty]

Finally, she's getting some attention.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if you're a Taylor Swift fan, you would love that. Just like if I saw Pete Townsend was on Colbert the other night, two nights ago, and talking about a bunch of stuff with their new tour and everything like that. I'm gonna watch that because I like Pete Townsend. You like Taylor Swift. You're gonna watch that? That it's fine.

[Joe Getty]

Yep, yep. She actually comes off as quite charming.

[Jack Armstrong]

I listened to life as a Show, Life of a Showgirl on the way to work today.

[Joe Getty]

That's how much I like that nice teenage girl. Anyway, let's see. Where were we? So I came across a couple of tweets in a row that I thought were interesting. First was from Matt Walsh, with whom I agree a substantial amount of the time, but not always.

[Jack Armstrong]

But.

[Joe Getty]

But he writes, AI is going to wipe out at least 25 million jobs in the next five to 10 years, probably many more. It will destroy every creative field. It will make it impossible to discern reality from fiction. It will absolutely obliterate what's left of the education system. Kids will go through 12 years of grade school and learn absolutely nothing. AI will do it all for them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I don't understand why that would be, though.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Why won't you learn anything? Because AI is teaching it.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. I agree with all those other ones. I'm not sure I agree with that one.

[Joe Getty]

Although he does say we. We have already seen the last truly literate generation.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think if. If anything, AI could make it so much easier to home, parent or create your own little school and have AI teachers with the kind of curriculum you want. I don't understand why. Okay, I don't want to get off on that. But that other stuff they mentioned, I think all that's going to happen.

[Joe Getty]

The part about the last truly literate generation is right, because video has replaced reading.

[Jack Armstrong]

People do not read anymore. That's just a fact, and it's horrifying.

[Joe Getty]

All of this is coming in fast. There's still time to prevent some of the worst outcomes, or at least put them off. But our leaders aren't doing a single thing about any of them. I'm not sure, Matt, there's anything they can do. None of them are taking it seriously. We're sleepwalking into a dystopia that any rational person can see from miles away. It drives me nuts. Are we really just going to lie down, let AI take everything from us? Is that the plan?

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. I. Yes, there is zero that can be done about it. I had this conversation with a smart person just the other night. It's, it's a. Well, we could either do it and lead the way or let China lead the way. Which do you think is going to be better? But it's going to happen.

[Joe Getty]

And then I actually became aware of this because I saw another tweet, Michael Knowles joking. Well, it's an actual Grok search that he posted. Hey Grok, will you let me keep my job if I agree to stop Matt Walsh from talking smack about you?

[Jack Armstrong]

I talked about this a couple weeks ago. It's fascinating thing a book or a podcast that I was into literacy as a thing. Reading books has only lasted and it's, it's ending now only lasted about 300 years. Most people were illiterate people regularly reading books didn't happen until the 1700s and now it's going to go away. So it had about a 300 year lifespan for all of human history of people reading a blip.

[Joe Getty]

How interesting. And then this from another one of my great favorite thinkers, Greg Lukian off who posts a quote from Friedrich Nietzsche. He says Nietzsche isn't usually my guy. Too many teenage would be Uber mentions. Uber mention. But on walking he nailed it. The quote is only thoughts that come by walking have any value. And he was actually commenting on a tweet by someone else who says a ludicrous number of the greatest thinkers in human history cited long walks as the blueprint for developing a healthy and powerful mind. But yeah, don't worry, you're different.

[Jack Armstrong]

What was that first one from Nietzsche?

[Joe Getty]

Only thoughts that come by walking have any value.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that is really good.

[Joe Getty]

But I was thinking, you know, Dylan o' Sullivan had that second quote and I was thinking, yeah, of all the great thinkers. I, I, I'VE admired who have said, I have my greatest thoughts when I take a long walk. And not a long walk while they're listening to perhaps our podcast or, or scrolling through Twitter or whatever. Just walking.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wonder if a long drive would work too. Most of these people said this before cars were a thing. I do some great thinking if I'm driving and if I leave the radio off or whatever. Long highway.

[Joe Getty]

This is not a good segment for beefing up our business. But no, yeah, yeah, I've got to take more long walks. I like it. I actually really like it. My rule in the morning is no inputs in the morning walk.

[Jack Armstrong]

The problem is, I think that's absolutely true and we should probably all do more of that. But man, a walk with a really good podcast is fantastic.

[Joe Getty]

It is so great. It's one of my favorite things in life.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I know, it's great.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Just a question of balance, I think. Probably. Like so many things.

[Jack Armstrong]

My kids. I just cannot get him into reading. Currently, Henry's reading the original Jurassic park book.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Oh, nice.

[Jack Armstrong]

Michael Crichton. One of the best selling books of all time. Yeah, he's reading it for school. I mean, he's being forced to read it. I'm hoping it'll catch on. His brother can't imagine anything worse than reading. I'll always say if I could do anything today, I would read all day long. Read and play the piano all day long. And they, they said I'd kill myself if I had to do that.

[Joe Getty]

Well, there's a contrast there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Getty]

Ye, yeah. You know, maybe you could get them that zombie granny app and have like your dad's dad encouraging your kids to read. Wouldn't that be great? No, it'd be creepy and sick.

[Jack Armstrong]

Be weird.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. So true. Anyway, unplug now and again, folks. Good for your mind, good for your soul.

[Jack Armstrong]

My brother made some AI videos of like my dad dancing around that are hilarious. And I said, have you shown these to him? He said, no, I'm not gonna let him see.

[Joe Getty]

Why not?

[Jack Armstrong]

It's, it's. I don't know why. I don't know why. Because I thought he would like it. But it is weird to see. To see somebody, you know, doing something they never have done or would do. Oh yeah, you got to do that. Go on Grok or whatever. The imagine thing you can click on, it's free and it takes just a couple of seconds, but you can make people do all kinds of stuff that they would never do. And it's hilarious the way it messes with your brain.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Did I tell you that? I did mess with that with Judy. And I have this still picture of us in a punt, which is like a fat gondola in. In Britain. We took a punt ride down the river and I just told it have all jump in water. And it had a video of us there in Cambridge on the punt and the two of us in the. The gondolier, the punter all jumped into the water in this video. Looked perfectly realistic.

[Jack Armstrong]

A buddy of mine has got cancer and he's going through some pretty hard treatment and I sent a video of him. He sent a picture of him standing in front of the hospital and I said, you know, looked pretty good to me. And it was a video of him jumping up and doing a handstand, which he thought was pretty funny. Wow. Hey, kids, it's that time again with Armstrong and Getty. I tell you, mess with that if you haven't. It's something. Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap up the show for the day in the week. There he is, Michelangelo in the control room. National treasure. Michael, what's your final thought?

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, I got an idea. That new two way app, I'm not going to use it for deceased loved.

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[Joe Getty]

So I was going to do an AI Bob Saget or Norm MacDonald and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Become friends with them. Okay, there you go. Cool.

[Joe Getty]

Not at all disturbing. That's a good idea. Katie Greener, esteemed newswoman, has a final thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

Katie, I have written on my paper, AI Norm McDonald. Really, Michelangelo? Yeah, we're on the exact same page. Exactly what I would do.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Or synchronicity or something. Jack, a final thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

You stupid, selfish punt. Yeah, I. I went out to dinner with my kids last night. Kind of on the idea of like, you know, old school. No IEI phones put away and everything like that. We just sat there waiting for our food, talking, eating, hanging around. God dang it. There's nothing better than that. That's what you need. Those are the inputs you need.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, that's life. Real people, don't forget. My final thought is crass commercialism. The ruin the Entire Country Newsom 2028 T shirt is really taking off. People are loving it. We're working on some bumper stickers for you. Well, you've got to be Gabby's campaign slogan.

[Jack Armstrong]

Your final thought was make yourself a little richer.

[Joe Getty]

We don't see that money.

[Jack Armstrong]

We don't.

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who gets it? The staff? They do.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, you wouldn't know. I handle the money and I've been robbing you blind for years.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Joe Getty]

Jack thinks he makes 19 bucks an hour. Still so many people to thank, so little time. Go to armstrong getty.com so many good clicks. The Ang superstore order now so you can get the stuff in time for Christmas. Plus drop us a note if there's something we ought to be talking about. You see over the weekend mailbagarmstrongetti.com no.

[Jack Armstrong]

Doubt we don't believe in silent letters. We will see you on Monday. God Bless America.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and get it the show is over but we never go away.

[Jack Armstrong]

Our website is open 24 hours today. Podcast T shirts and Katie's blonde Armstrong&getty.com.

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