It'll Be Jazzy!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand — “It’ll Be Jazzy!”

Date: September 4, 2025
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into several hot-button issues dominating current headlines, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s congressional testimony, Florida’s new stance on childhood vaccine mandates, media trust post-COVID, the ongoing Jeffrey Epstein aftermath, and shifting news industry dynamics. The tone is irreverent, deeply skeptical of institutions and media narratives, and interspersed with dry humor and relatable tangents.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s Congressional Testimony (00:23 - 01:39)

• General Manager Theme: For fun, Armstrong & Getty designate RFK Jr. as the episode’s “general manager” due to his appearance before Congress that day.

• The hosts joke about “jazzy” congressional hearings, anticipating performative drama rather than substantive discussion.

  “It’s gonna be beyond jazzy. It’ll be fantastic performative goodness from everybody all around.”
  — Jack Armstrong (01:11)

• Biting banter on the quality of congressional questioning, the expectation of anger, and “classic” evasive witnesses.

2. Florida Ends Childhood Vaccine Mandates (01:48 - 03:30; 13:40 - 16:41)

• Florida becomes the first state not to require childhood vaccinations for public school attendance. Hosts are troubled by the move, but blame public health institutions for eroding trust.

• Both express skepticism towards the CDC and HHS due to perceived dishonesty and overreach during the COVID-19 pandemic.

• Jack points out that what mainstream media often omits is growing public distrust because authorities “blew their own credibility.”

  “Why would I take their point of view on anything ever at this point in my life?”
  — Jack Armstrong (02:38)

• Discussion of the expanding vaccine schedule—what used to be a handful of shots is now “like 40.” They contend a nuanced debate is needed, but the public is left with extremes.

3. Credibility, Institutional Trust, & Parenting Metaphors (03:30 - 05:55)

• Joe uses an absurd woodshed metaphor to illustrate how institutions’ reputational self-harm is as damaging as losing a limb, bemoaning that no one seems to value credibility anymore.

• Observations about COVID policies morphing into a “cult” and decisions being made for political/emotional reasons, not science.

  “People and government institutions made recommendations for cult reasons, not for scientific reasons. So yeah, their credibility is just trashed.”
  — Joe Getty (05:30)

4. COVID Lies & Lasting Distrust (05:55 - 07:53)

• The hosts are emphatic that the biggest pandemic-era lie was the promise that vaccination prevents COVID infection and spread.

• They express deep cynicism about trusting CDC guidance again, comparing it to random advice from strangers in a checkout line.

  “Why would I believe anything you ever say again in my life? I personally won’t.”
  — Jack Armstrong (07:20)

5. Xi & Putin’s Immortality—Organ Harvesting Chatter (08:51 - 10:57)

• A “hot mic” moment caught Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin talking about organ transplants and immortality.

• The hosts darkly quip that dictators have easy access to organs from dissidents (raising ethical horror), likening modern autocrats to medieval kings.

  “I’ll snatch a healthy young dude off the street and take his organs — his fault for being on the street.”
  — Jack Armstrong (09:52)

6. The Jeffrey Epstein Drama: Media, Conspiracies, and Victims (11:04 - 29:56)

Media Coverage & Weaponization (11:04 - 13:16; 19:38 - 27:14)

• The hosts are frustrated by the never-ending news cycles around Epstein, seeing it as a manufactured attention engine for both political parties and the media.

• Trump’s statements on Epstein are discussed—he is painted as labeling the new revelations a “hoax,” but the hosts clarify that he’s referring to new, damaging files (not to the reality of abuse).

• They criticize media distortion and emotional manipulation, especially leveraging victims’ reactions for TV drama.

  “...media knows that. ABC, CBS, NPR...they all know what Trump is talking about when he says it’s a hoax. He’s not calling the fact that these women...were raped...a hoax...But they’re pretending.”
  — Jack Armstrong (24:27)

• They mock the “tease” from some victims or attorneys promising to release names of other abusers “in the future,” comparing it to a TV ad.

  “...why did you tease it like that? That’s weird. And I’m not saying they’re up to something...but...everybody in all of media pretended that Donald Trump was calling their stories lies. And that’s not at all what he was saying.”
  — Jack Armstrong (26:33)

Epstein as a Perpetual Outrage Machine

• The “attention economy” around salacious, polarizing stories is dissected—Epstein is unique in that both parties and various media have an interest in keeping the “heat” on for profit and distraction.

  “If they can create heat, there’s money to be made...sex and ugliness and crime and suicide and mystery and conspiracy — this is an unbelievable heat generator.”
  — Joe Getty (23:42)

Procedural Questions & Conspiracy Theories (27:15 - 29:56)

• The hosts take reader emails accusing them (falsely) of being anti-Epstein-coverage or part of some Jewish conspiracy.
• They question, with some skepticism, why Ghislaine Maxwell was moved to a cushier prison or why so many records remain undisclosed, but point out there are judicial, not purely executive, reasons for this.

7. Media and News Industry Shifts: Barry Weiss’s Free Press and CBS (13:16 - 14:59)

• Barry Weiss is reportedly in talks to sell The Free Press to Paramount for $200 million and possibly gain a senior editorial role at CBS News.

• The hosts speculate this might signal mainstream media’s attempt to win back trust or at least provide honest reporting that appeals beyond hyperpartisanship.

  “There is a huge opening out there for a news outlet that people believe, whether they agree with it or not...that might be what CBS is up to.”
  — Jack Armstrong (13:35)

8. News Roundup and Court Cases (16:41 - 17:53)

• Rapid-fire coverage: Florida vaccine mandate elimination; various court rulings impacting Trump, Harvard research grants, and tariffs.
• Express exasperation about the slow, convoluted American judicial process and joke about needing a Supreme Court that operates like an ER or fast-food restaurant when urgent cases arise.

9. Other Notable Topics & Moments

• Powerball Mania: Nobody won, jackpot now $1.7 billion. (18:08)
• NFL Opening Day: Armstrong says “Dallas is going to get crushed by Philadelphia.” (34:49)
• Biblical Quotes & British Authors: Joe Getty debunks an often-misattributed George Orwell quote about violence and pacifists. (34:56 - 36:34)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Institutional Trust & COVID

• Jack Armstrong: “Why would I believe anything you ever say again in my life? I personally won’t.” (07:20)
• Joe Getty: “People and government institutions made recommendations for cult reasons, not for scientific reasons. So yeah, their credibility is just trashed.” (05:30)

Media & Conspiracy

• Jack Armstrong: “...media knows that...they’re pretending. And then they stick the microphone in there, and these poor women...like, the President just said, this is a hoax. Oh, my God, he did. No, it’s not a hoax. Oh, geez.” (24:27)
• Joe Getty: “...the Epstein thing...is an unbelievable heat generator. Well, I, and all sorts of different people are profiting from it.” (23:42)

Humor & Satire

• Joe Getty: “I’m gonna write a book on parenting someday, Jack. And you’d be ill advised to read it and an idiot to follow its advice.” (03:30)
• Jack Armstrong: “It’s basically the ending of whatever that movie was. Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise...You need me on that wall.” (36:34)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:23: Show intro, RFK Jr. congressional testimony preview
• 01:48: Florida ends vaccine mandate for schools
• 05:30: Institutional credibility and COVID “cult”
• 07:20: CDC credibility destroyed by pandemic handling
• 08:51: Xi and Putin’s “immortality” and organ transplants
• 11:04: Jeffrey Epstein coverage enters main segment
• 13:16: Barry Weiss, Free Press, and CBS News deal discussion
• 16:41: Rapid-fire on major legal and political stories
• 23:42: Epstein as a perpetual outrage machine in the “attention economy”
• 24:27: Media exploiting victims’ reactions, misframing Trump’s comments
• 26:33: Victims “teasing” new accusations—questioning motives
• 34:56: NFL opening, Orwell quote debunked

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Conclusion

Armstrong & Getty use humor, skepticism, and candid opinion to tackle the biggest stories of the moment, notably institutional trust crises (COVID, CDC, vaccines), the politicization/media spectacle around figures like RFK Jr. and Jeffrey Epstein, and the potential for a new, more trusted journalism model. Their conversations feature biting satire, a distaste for performative outrage, and a call for honest, rational public discourse—tempered with plenty of curmudgeonly wit and digressions.

For listeners who missed the episode:
This installment is a fast-moving, occasionally irreverent but insightful commentary on how trust is built and destroyed in modern America, why some stories never die, the machinery of media outrage, and the search for accountability, all peppered with signature Armstrong & Getty banter.

Transcript

[Joe Getty]

This is an I Heart podcast broadcasting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Live from the Abraham Lincoln radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

[Announcer]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty live from Studio C. See, senor, A dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty. Excuse me, I have a cold communications compound. We are today under the tutelage of our general manager, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. That's a pretty good RFK Jr. Impersonation right there.

[Joe Getty]

I'm trying.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why is he our general manager today?

[Joe Getty]

He'll be testifying in front of Congress today, Jack, about the upheaval he's caused at the HHS and the CDC and the NBA. Anyway, it should be jazzy.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's gonna be beyond jazzy. It'll be fantastic performative goodness from everybody all around. It'll just be fantastic.

[Joe Getty]

I just hope there's lots of anger because I. We need more anger.

[Jack Armstrong]

I want a lot of yes or no. Answer the question. Two things are too complicated to answer. Yes or no on a lot of that.

[Joe Getty]

Ah, classic.

[Jack Armstrong]

But then I want a lot of. From RFK Jr. Dancing around the answer.

[Joe Getty]

So implying.

[Jack Armstrong]

And.

[Joe Getty]

Or just stating outright that he will be responsible for the deaths of children. That would be good, too. That would be a highlight. Oh, wow. Which, you know, conceivably could be true.

[Jack Armstrong]

So if you looked into the headline that happened while we were getting off the air yesterday, that's around the RFK Jr. Story. Florida announcing they will become the first state to not mandate vaccinations for kids going to school.

[Joe Getty]

I did. I read that. I was troubled by it. A couple of different aspects of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Were you convinced that it's a good.

[Joe Getty]

Idea for Florida or not to do what they did? No, I don't think it is a good idea. It's not completely outside the realm of understanding. I get it. I think it's an unwise decision. But so much of the credibility of those who would advocate for a reasonable slate of required vaccinations, they blew. They blew their own credibility through Covid and other actions, so.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. That's what.

[Joe Getty]

I get it. We're in a bad spot.

[Jack Armstrong]

We are. That's what the mainstream media is leaving out of this story. I don't agree with a lot of RFKJR's views on things, but the CDC completely destroyed any reason for me to listen to them during COVID I mean, why would I take their point of view on anything ever at this point in my life?

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Anything.

[Joe Getty]

And I'm not an Expert on this by any means. But it absolutely could be argued that the slate of required vaccinations.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's crazy.

[Joe Getty]

Ballooned beyond reasonableness.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it is so many. That would be the way to approach it used to be, whatever it was, eight vaccinations, now your kid gets like 40. Are all of those necessary? That would be a good discussion to have. As opposed to go from all the ones we have now to none.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'm gonna write a book on parenting someday, Jack. And you'd be ill advised to read it and an idiot to follow its advice. But one of the pieces of advice I'd have is you take your kid out to the woodshed when they're about 8 years old.

[Jack Armstrong]

Obviously we all have a woodshed in this scenario.

[Joe Getty]

Well, if you don't get one, that's in chapter one, you need a wood.

[Jack Armstrong]

Chapter one, get a woodshed, right?

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, so you take your kid out to the woodshed, you have them put their arm. They're. They're right handed in this scenario. Have them put their right arm on the chopping block and you take the ax and you say, I'm gonna chop off. This is your arm.

[Jack Armstrong]

God said to Abraham, kill me a son. I mean, where. What are we going here?

[Joe Getty]

Highway 61, clearly, but so. And then as your child looks to you in fear and horror, you say, if you throw away your credibility, your reputation, you have done as much damage to yourself as if I had actually chopped off your arm. Now, obviously, you're going to need years of counseling from this little incident.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, this is. This is quite the little scenario.

[Joe Getty]

But you did. And it popped fully intact into my head. Isn't that weird? The point being the children, people, institutions, they have become so cavalier about chucking their credibility based on whatever emotional whim or fervor of the moment. There, there, you know, it's. I want to bring it up later. Came across a couple of pieces of journalism about where can I get the COVID booster with these confusing new guidelines, and what about my child? And people are like adamant that, that that's a mistake and where could I. What can we find a doctor will go to? Nobody ever says, nobody ever even asks, is there credible data that suggests a healthy child needs it? No, no, no, there's not. Because this cult has risen up know Covid and the shots and all that. And so people and government institutions made recommendations for cult reasons, not for scientific reasons. So yeah, their credibility is just trashed.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know what's the biggest lie? And that's there's a lot of them to choose from. The biggest lie out of the whole Covid thing was. And they knew they were lying when they said it. At least after a little while. Maybe not at the very beginning, but very soon, they knew they were lying when they said, if you get vaccinated, you can't spread the disease. You are. You won't get the disease.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Both of them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And so that was the biggest lie of all. And that led to. I mean, it didn't make any difference if Aaron Rodgers got vaccinated or not. He could still get the disease if he got it and spread it. So what the hell difference did it make?

[Joe Getty]

Well, and how about thousands of United States military personnel, right, tossed out of the military, healthy young studs who are like, I don't know, I've heard the vaccine isn't safe, and I'm a healthy young stud.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not going to make any difference.

[Joe Getty]

To me whether I get the frigging disease. It's gonna rip its way through the barracks no matter what we do, and.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'Ll all be fine.

[Joe Getty]

And they were all fine.

[Jack Armstrong]

So, you know, Grillin, the guy who runs the department that's got the biggest budget in the entire world, RFK Jr today about all that stuff is fine, but I'd sure like to hear some CDC people have to explain why did you keep claiming that you couldn't get Covid if you got vaccinated when you knew that wasn't true? You knew you were lying. I know why. Because you thought you could convince more people to get vaccinated. But you lied to us. And you lied to us all about. And the six feet apart was completely freaking made up. So why would I believe anything you ever say again in my life? I personally won't. I'm guessing most of you who listen won't either, ever believe anything the CDC ever says again in my life.

[Joe Getty]

I believe it as much as if somebody said it to me in the line at Target.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? It's a perfect honey.

[Joe Getty]

Some guy told me I needed a Covid booster right up there with the cdc. By the way, I'm working on chapter four of my parenting book is how to teach your kids to clean their rooms. It involves setting fire to your own home, but I encourage you to pre order your copy today. You know what?

[Jack Armstrong]

Very biblical with your opening chapter. Let's start the show officially because it's going to require some conversation. Also, I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on How did this get to be already Thursday, September 4, the year 2025 or Armstrong and getting. We approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

So much to cover. Let's leap into action now, officially, according to FCC rules, or eggs, the show starts at mark. In the past, people rarely lived longer than 70 years. But today they say that at 70, you are still a child.

[Announcer]

Human organs can be continuously transported planet. The longer you live, the younger you become and can even achieve immortality.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so a hot mic moment, obviously. In what language do they speak to each other? President Xi and President Putin? Don't know because I don't think Putin speaks Chinese and I doubt she speaks Russian anyway.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Could be they both have crack translators by their sides.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, translator is the correct term. I heard when people say interpreter, that is incorrect because you're not supposed to be interpreting things. You're supposed to just be transmitting exactly what they said. But in a hot mic moment, Xi and Putin were discussing immortality and getting new organs put in.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they're both in their early 70s, and as you heard there they. One of them suggested to the other, oh, yeah, you can just get, you know, your organs swapped out every couple of years, whatever, and probably live forever. Whoa. Oh, troubling. Because they have access to those organs and they'll get them from dissidents.

[Jack Armstrong]

Neither one of them had to say, well, where would I get the organs? Neither one of them needed to have that. Have that conversation. I'll snatch a healthy young dude off the street and take his organs as his fault for being on the street. That is interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

What a. Wow. Wow. It's. Why would they be any different than kings of the Middle Ages? They wouldn't be. That's what they are.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah. Yeah. How serious a conversation do you think that was?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why would you have it then? You two can't get on the phone or have a private conversation anyway. You're just. The first time you ever get together face to face in public. You're strolling around and you get into the whole snatching organs from healthy people's conversation.

[Joe Getty]

They were going from point A to point B and shooting the bull. I mean, it's. They're just chatting. I'll tell you what, this agent is no fun. I'm kind of stiff after sitting there for a while. She. Yeah, well, you know, I hear soon you can get to Oregon Street.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll tell you what you need. We're working on. You need the spine of a dissident. That's what I did.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Crazy.

[Joe Getty]

The lighter side of dictatorship.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then the thing we got to talk about coming up in a little bit. I can't believe I was watching ABC News last night. They ed, they led with Epstein and, and it was shocking coverage. The whole thing has turned even more shocking to me the way it's being portrayed. I just, it's, it blows. The whole thing blows my mind. And I would like to pretend it's, I was gonna say unimportant. It still might be unimportant, but Congress is wrestling with it today.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Having just come back into session, you'll hear what some of the survivors said yesterday in the press conference, what Trump said, how they responded to him and all that sort of stuff. And as usual, I think Trump could have put the thing to bed with like one more sentence. But he's really good at leading out the one sentence which he might do on purpose because he likes to, you know, inflame things. But he could, I think he could have put this to bed with one sentence, but he did not. So we'll get to that a little bit later and a bunch of other stuff. Our text line is this 415295 KFTC.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

About to hit you with a bunch of different headlines that just came across the most interesting one maybe going on and it's not like kind of your normal news headline, but it is Paramount is in talks to buy Barry Weiss's Free Press, which we love. Oh no. For $200 million and give her a senior editorial role at CBS News. I think this is interesting because I think maybe, possibly what I was hoping would happen is about to happen. And that some news or major news organization, New York Times, Washington Post, one of your major networks, realizes people are not digging the partisan news thing at all. A lot of people are hating it. There is a huge opening out there for a news outlet that people believe, whether they agree with it or not, they believe it like used to happen. And that might be what CBS is up to, because there were some quotes that came out while we were on vacation. That Redstone woman, when she was selling CBS to Paramount, was horrified at some of the CBS coverage that she had seen in the last year and how biased it was on her own network she ran. She just. She hated it. She couldn't believe that they were that biased.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's possible. Possible that just as a business decision, Paramount is going to decide that the Barry Weiss is of the world, whose her politics aren't mine, but she's really into being honest, I guess. Spend $200 million. Good for her, by the way, leaving New York Times, starting her own thing and building it up and then selling it for $200 million.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Yeah. I just hope they retain editorial independence that CBS doesn't ruin it. Although, you know, who knows? Who knows? Nothing lasts forever. Yeah. And it's funny you should bring that up before we hit a handful of headlines in that I have three or four different sources that have your list of today's top stories, and they're all different. They're all very different. In fact, there's remarkably little overlap. Um, you got the Desantis. Well, the Florida story. Um, they are working to eliminate all childhood vaccine mandates for schools in Florida. Uh, the Florida Surgeon General, Joseph Latipo, where's his direct quote? He said, this smacks of slavery, totalitarianism. He's a black felon. Went all, you know, it sounded very defund the police to me. I don't think vaccinations smack of slavery.

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

And what you. How can the government tell you what to put in your body? Well, in very, very narrow circumstances, like reasonable vaccinations, it makes sense for reasons we'll talk about in a little while. Anyway. Let's see. We can talk about that. There are a slew of judges rulings on, like, whether President Trump can quash that $2.2 billion in research grants to Harvard. The judge said, no, no, you can't. It's a First Amendment thing. We'll see. That one's gonna bounce back and forth. Another judge said, you can't, like, super quickly deport people on the basis of the whatever the hell act of 1970.

[Jack Armstrong]

Whenever I don't even read the first sentence of these stories anymore about judge ruled exactly.

[Joe Getty]

That one will bounce back and forth as well, leading up to the really interesting one, and that is the tariffs case, which the appeals court by was it seven of four, said, no, you can't rely on the IPA act, enact all these tariffs. It's unconstitutional because Congress has the power to tax. And the act you're relying on does not say that you can, blah, blah, blah. But the Trump administration said to the Supreme Court, hey, can y' all jump on this as quickly as possible? So they really want an expedited process, which I think is a really good thing. I was thinking as I read a handful of cases, you know, we've got to have, I don't know, maybe a second Supreme Court or, I don't know, turn the Supreme Court less. It's. It's kind of a white tablecloth waiter in a tuxedo steakhouse. At this point, we need to change it into more of a Chick Fil A where if a big case comes along, you can get an appointment, like for tomorrow at 2.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I would agree. Well, it needs to be like the emergency room. As I found out, you go in with a heart thing, they move you ahead of everybody else.

[Joe Getty]

And that's.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the way the Supreme Court should be.

[Joe Getty]

Or vomiting. I found that in the past, if you start vomiting, they. They come to. If really, if any fluids are coming out of you, you get to the front of the line. So you got a sprained ankle. But if you can make yourself up, Chuck, trust me, they'll see you quicker.

[Jack Armstrong]

This might be the headline for a lot of y'.

[Joe Getty]

All.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nobody won the Powerball last night, so it raises to $1.7 billion, the third largest pot in history. And they'll draw again. What? On Friday or whenever they draw.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. And, Michael, I demand. I demand. The plucky youngster talking about grandpa playing the Powerball when we talk about this.

[Jack Armstrong]

For crying out loud, what do we.

[Joe Getty]

Have to tip you?

[Jack Armstrong]

Um, this Epstein thing. It's okay. You gotta hear this.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So this is a Democrat hoax that never ends. You know, it reminds me a little of the Kennedy situation. We gave him everything over and over again, more and more and more, and nobody's ever satisfied, from what I understand. I could check, but from what I understand, thousands of pages of documents have been given. But it's really a Democrat hoax because they're trying to get people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant to the success that we've had as a nation. Since I've been president, I voted for.

[Joe Getty]

Trump and for him to say what.

[Jack Armstrong]

He is saying is beyond me because.

[Joe Getty]

I put my hope in him and.

[Jack Armstrong]

He'S supposed to protect us. So there was a big gathering yesterday as while we were on the air, a whole bunch of the victims of Jeff Ver Epstein, the sex trafficking monster, and G Dog Maxwell. A whole bunch of women that when they were children basically found themselves in the web of that craziness and, and were raped and, or abused in all kinds of different ways. And that's why Epstein and Maxwell were going to go to prison. This whole Epstein story has been like a master class in talking past each other from the beginning. And I don't understand why we can't. It's like being in quicksand. And I don't understand why we can't pull ourselves out of this mess.

[Joe Getty]

Why can't?

[Jack Armstrong]

There are a number of reasons. The media wants to put Trump and Republicans in an uncomfortable position since they hammered the Epstein thing for years, acting like it was a big deal and that there were secrets to be had. Does anyone put them in the uncomfortable position of having to deal with that? And, and then he got a whole bunch of Republicans who were scared of their base, who believed what the Republicans told them in the first place about the Epstein thing being such a big deal. So they don't want to come out and say, but could everybody just raise their head up and say, look, it was, it was overstated by a lot to get you to vote for us. Acting like there was some sort of child pedophile ring thing going on. It's not true. And can we all just move on with our lives? There's nothing in the Epstein files. Can we just all move on?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I would love that too. I was noodling this through yesterday because I was really. I really want to be able to recognize this sort of beast when it comes down the pike and, and understand, okay, this is another one of these. We live in an attention economy, a term you've probably heard. There are zillions and zillions of dollars being made in getting you to look, read, listen, watch, whatever for a few minutes. Sometimes it's a few seconds at a time. Tick Tock is mastered. The art of just tiny micro doses of distraction, entertainment, amusement. Something to keep you riveted.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, in print, if you click on it, even if you only read one sentence, the clicks add up. And they can sell that to advertisers.

[Joe Getty]

Right, exactly. So you get something, anything that has heat to it, that gets attention, that gets interest. And it can be everything from a cop bapping a guy on the head to the Epstein deal to, you know, there are a dozen examples that have happened recently. If they can create heat, there's money to be made. And in the Epstein thing, what makes it unique, I think is that you have Democrats with some really good reason to keep that heat stoked up and you have Republicans who, you mentioned their, their reasons. They spent a long time telling their, their constituents that they're evil dark secrets and by God, we're the do gooders who will go in and expose them. And then you just have sex and ugliness and crime and suicide and mystery and conspiracy. This is an unbelievable heat generator. Well, I, and all sorts of different people are profiting from it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I skipped over explaining those two clips. So they're talking about different things. So those poor crying women who were freaking used as sex slaves when they were children, of course they're very upset recounting it. Trump doesn't think you weren't raped by Epstein and his friends. He's not calling that a hoax, but the responding is if he is right that, that Trump is denying that this happened to you. No, he's not. Nobody's denying this happened to you. It's horrible. The people were found out, at least the main people that were running it and arrested and were going to go to jail and one of them died, either hung himself or he didn't. But he's dead and the other one's in prison. What Trump is calling a hoax Is the idea that there's some secret file that's going to damage him, that is a hoax. But why can't. And then the media knows that. ABC News, CBS News, everybody who covered this, I saw it on NBC this morning. I heard it on npr. Everybody who's covering this knows that that's what Trump is talking about when he says it's a hoax. He's not calling the fact that these women who were on the Capitol steps yester today were raped when they were young a hoax. Right, but they know that, but they're pretending. And then they stick the microphone in there, and these poor women who they're crying, recounting the worst thing that ever happened in their lives, stick a microphone in their faces like, the President just said, this is a hoax. Oh, my God, he did. No, it's not a hoax. Oh, geez.

[Joe Getty]

One of the, One of the gals there was on the steps of the Capitol or whatever. They're making the media rounds, which is fine. If you want to be heard, that's what you do. But one of the gals was saying, and we know there are other victimizers, and we are willing confidentially to name them at some point in the future. And we gotta find that clip because I want to get it exactly right. But it's like, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're doing a tease now?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Hinting that maybe.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely. A tease. She stood up there and she said, well, we're compiling our own list of the famous people we saw, and we will be releasing that. Stay tuned. And yeah, I agree with you. I felt like, okay, what is it? Brought to you by Pizza Hut and Verizon Wireless. I mean, why is there a tease here?

[Joe Getty]

Well, and again, there. There are so many different layers of immorality here. If I'm just getting buzzed, I'm getting wasted at a Jeffrey Epstein party. And there's hotties about. That's. That's just, that's at being at a party. And you can't equivocate between that and knowingly sexually grooming and abusing underage girls.

[Jack Armstrong]

On the other hand, they mess.

[Joe Getty]

Now, as I've said 50 times, there are like 11 different versions of this story. Which one are we talking about?

[Jack Armstrong]

They have every right to come out and name everybody they ever saw at a party. Of course, who could stop them? But, but why did you tease it like that? Why didn't you just stand right there, say, I saw Bill Gates, I saw Bill Clinton one time. I gave a massage to, you know, whoever name the name Nobody, nobody can stop you from saying that. So why did you tease it like that? That's weird. And I'm not saying they're up to something. I'm not trying to claim that at all. Again, the main thing that happened yesterday was they pretended, everybody in all of media pretended that Donald Trump was calling their stories lies. And that's not at all what he was saying. So why are we playing this game? It's driving me crazy now.

[Joe Getty]

Just tiresome.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mark Halperin says this, and I think this is true. Should I play the clip first or. Let's play the clip. Force. There is this portion of it. President Trump has not ruled out pardoning Maxwell by show of hands. Is there anybody who would support Ghislaine Maxwell getting out of prison? Only if I'm there when she gets out and we could show up collectively. They're all horrified, of course, at the idea of her getting out of prison. Why Trump holds out the possibility that she might be pardoned, I have no idea. But Amar Kalpen writes this today. Until the twin mysteries of why Maxwell was moved to a Kushier prison. I wonder. And why?

[Joe Getty]

Not a mystery at all. Sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. And the why the White House is trying so hard to keep the documents for being revealed or solved. We have no idea what's going on. Why are they fighting so hard? It's not like Trump cares about. Well, grand jury testimony is supposed to be private so that you don't find, you know, he doesn't care about that sort of thing.

[Joe Getty]

Right. So I, I want to know more from Mark by what he means, because it's not up to the executive branch whether a lot of that stuff gets released. It's entirely a judicial question.

[Jack Armstrong]

But he's leaning on the House and members and the speaker of the House to not pass any legislation to release it. And he's got the power to lean on people. Why? Why isn't. Because I'm surprised. Trump, of all people, he doesn't care about norms and that sort of stuff. I'm surprised he just said, just release it all and let's get this over with. And, and okay. And then the first one, why did they move her to the Club Fed? Your answer is, well, they were desperate.

[Joe Getty]

To be seen doing something. And she said, I'm not talking to you. Why would I unless I get something? They said, we'll move you to a cushy prison if you sit down and spill your guts. And she said, okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

And do you believe what she's friggin.

[Joe Getty]

Mystery.

[Jack Armstrong]

But to get the information they got out of her.

[Joe Getty]

That's all she had. Or. And, or they had no leverage to get deeper into it.

[Jack Armstrong]

You don't think it looks like you come out and give the interview and say I never saw Donald Trump do anything and we'll move you to a nicer prison that it was that Obviously that's what a lot of people are speculating.

[Joe Getty]

Well, sure. And I. It's unfalsifiable as they say. I have no way to prove that that's not true. So I'm just not interested in it.

[Jack Armstrong]

But then what? I wouldn't do it. I would not if I'm president. I wouldn't move her to the cushier prison when it's going to look exactly like I've got something to hide. And I just found a way to keep her mouth shut.

[Joe Getty]

I know it was. What's the opposite of a masterwork of bad pr? Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

NFL starts tonight. Want to talk about that more later?

[Joe Getty]

Okay, I do too. There's a couple of emails. This one from a guy who's emailed a lot who says for two low T men like yourselves to.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like the beginning.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, no, it's, it's, it's just in the truck driver who is a, a young. Well, I just. You know what? I won't care.

[Jack Armstrong]

Too low t men like yourselves.

[Joe Getty]

Blah, blah, blah. To bloviate on your conviction to fight for the west in America. I'd hope you'd do better than 45 seconds of your coverage. He's convinced that Epstein is a tool of the Jews. The evil Jew conspiracy to run the world and the evil Jew is trying to tear down America and all the evidence is there, blah, blah, blah. Okay, enjoy that Sig. Hi all my friend. And then, wow, you got James who says your obvious hatred of the Epstein story is well documented. It's, it's not hatred, it's exhaustion. But you seem to be in denial because you know very well that the vast majority of the Trump crowd are drenched in it. I'm not one of them, but I see the comments everywhere. Sure, the Democrats smell blood and are taking advantage of it, but it's the Republicans, right wing pundits and their MAGA base that give this story life. Trump himself is trying to make it a phony Democrat made up thing, which is insane and won't work. The Q MAGA people want names, a list.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why didn't the Biden people release it all? That, to me, that's the linchpin, the Rosetta stone of why this story isn't any. The Biden administration had years to release all this stuff and they had it. What they were protecting Trump and other Republicans.

[Joe Getty]

The other reason I'm so exhausted by this is. Okay, I will, I will answer that question from the MAGA crowd. Well, because the Democrats are in on it. Look, the Bill Clinton, the list, blah, blah, blah, child molesters, blah, blah, blah. Then from the, the Democrat crowd. Well, we are protecting the judicial process. And more effects have emerged now that have made it clear that Trump himself was. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just, it's, it's like a series of dogs chasing their own tails.

[Jack Armstrong]

The thing that Trump said yesterday, that was the most true. He said, this is going to be like the JFK assassination. There's no amount of information that's going to make this go away.

[Joe Getty]

Correct.

[Jack Armstrong]

And he's right about it.

[Joe Getty]

Absolutely correct.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mailbag Next.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Dallas is going to get crushed by Philadelphia tonight on Game one of the NFL season. But we'll talk more about the NFL season later.

[Joe Getty]

And why is Philly so good and they've been so good so long? Well, it's an accounting maneuver really. We will explain. Yeah, yeah. So our freedom Loving Quote of the day. I am going with a series from British authors in honor of my visit to the UK recently. And of course here is Or Orwell's famous, famous quote, People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. Except that he never said that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh really?

[Joe Getty]

Like half of the quotes online don't. Half the quotes on the Internet are false. Abraham Lincoln, who?

[Jack Armstrong]

Who did say that? Because that's a good quote.

[Joe Getty]

Well, what Orwell said was those who abjure, which is a fancy word that means solemnly renounce.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Those who abjure violence can do so only because others are committing violence on their behalf. Yeah, which is a good, solid concise statement.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's a good takedown of pacifists.

[Joe Getty]

The line has also been attributed variously to Winston Churchill and Rudyard Kipling for some reason. But the original quote was the one I just read to you. Interestingly enough, the first appearance of that line is in 1993 in a column in the Washington Times in which Richard Greiner paraphrased Orwell and he said, as Orwell pointed out, people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. But he was clearly paraphrasing it. But over time, now every damn quote website on the Internet will list that as something Orwell said verbatim.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's basically the ending of whatever that movie was. Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise right You need me on that wall.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You can't handle the truth. A Few Good men. Yeah. Mailbag. And they're right, by the way. Both Jack Nicholson and Orwell and Richard Jr drop us. Note mailbagarmstrongetti.com you could offer such constructive thoughts as this from Chuck, like your show. Not trying to be mean or hurtful, but I can't identify which one of you is Armstrong. And which is getting to clarify, which one is the guy who sounds like he is not past puberty yet. Please answer.

[Jack Armstrong]

That'd be Jack.

[Joe Getty]

And out of concern as he checked with his doctor. Thanks. Then he mentions he listens every day on his way to work. Have a good day at work, Chuck.

[Jack Armstrong]

For some reason, I ended up on one of our chat room thingies yesterday. Like, got fed on my phone, on my feed. Oh, my God, the hate.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, really?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why do you listen if you hate it so much? Although there was somebody compared you to a combination of Mark Twain and George Orwell and something.

[Joe Getty]

Now we're talking William Shakespeare.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's ridiculous.

[Joe Getty]

Last week. Oh, did I. You know what? I ought to post this online, I think. I guess I posted the original. But when? When One day you said after one of my rants, I sounded like a biblical prophet. And Katie said, no, more like Gandalf from the Lord of the Rings. And she made that AI thing. I got my poster now I've got a poster mounted on cardboard of me as a Gandolfian biblical prophet with the. The caption is. And then Jogetti spake unto them.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you have. You have a giant poster of yourself looking like Moses. That's not weird at all.

[Joe Getty]

I find it hilarious. Let's see this from John. Joe, that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now.

[Joe Getty]

Excuse me. And then he died. I'm healthy now, but I've got that thing where, you know, for weeks after you get healthy, you're still coughing, that respiratory thing. Anyway, Joe, now that you've experienced life in London, can you explain how average British citizens found out the truth about the decay resulting from the rampant immigration? Is their legacy media fair and doing their jobs, unlike American legacy media? Well, no, mostly no. It's a lot like American media. They have left, right, and center and media and. And. And, you know, kind of mainstream hacks and the rest of it? No, the way they found out about it is because they're living their lives. They see it around them. Their girls are getting raped. They're looking at Sharia law creeping across London, for instance. Yeah, Nobody had to tell them.

[Jack Armstrong]

They see it and then they see people being jailed for saying anything about it.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Even making jokes. Hello. More on that topic to come. Also, a couple of great emails on the whole blowing up the narco boat.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh wow, that's a good topic. If you missed a segment, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand. Lot more on the way.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. This is an iHeart podcast.