It's A Cauldron Of Despair

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "It's A Cauldron Of Despair"

Episode Date: January 26, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Armstrong & Getty On Demand," titled "It's A Cauldron Of Despair," dives headfirst into the political and social chaos surrounding a controversial shooting involving ICE agents in Minneapolis. The hosts place a sharp focus on the dysfunction in political leadership, a lack of grownup, reasoned debate about immigration law, the disaster of current public discourse, and how the national narrative is shaped (and warped) by political opportunists and the media.

The episode is a candid, sometimes exasperated exploration of:

• Minneapolis' political situation following the shooting and ensuing protests
• The breakdown in responsible leadership and public dialogue on immigration
• The divide between policy, law enforcement, and community reaction
• The way politicians and media escalate or misrepresent high-tension situations

Throughout, Armstrong & Getty’s signature style is irreverent, combative, and laced with gallows humor, wrestling with a country that seems stuck in a "cauldron of despair."

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dysfunction and Partisan Toxicity in Minneapolis

• The hosts open by lambasting Minneapolis politicians for their handling of the aftermath of the ICE shooting and the broader immigration crisis:

  • "Our title today is Max Ugliness in Minneapolis. Or deport the politicians. All of them." (Jack Armstrong, 03:32)
  • "They're bringing disrepute to the term politician. As if that was possible at this point." (Jack Armstrong, 03:53)

• They criticize both liberal and conservative leaders:

  • Calls to “get rid” of high-profile figures like Kristi Noem, Mayor Frey, and Governor Tim Walz, painting them as irresponsible agitators further poisoning political debate.

2. Collapse of Reasonable Discourse on Immigration

• Joe Getty highlights the lack of mature voices able to state basic truths:

  • "I was looking for anybody...pundit politician anywhere...willing to say, we have federal laws about immigration we have to enforce...and you can't be shooting people who don't deserve to be shot. Nobody said those two things together that I saw." (Joe Getty, 04:16)

• The hosts lament that discussion is dominated by “own the libs” and “own the fascists” posturing rather than pragmatic problem-solving:

  • "How about we own the policy and give Americans better lives? Instead of trying to own each other online, for God’s sake, what would George Washington say? I don’t know." (Jack Armstrong, 04:43)

3. Heightened Risk for Law Enforcement and Dangerous Activism

• Armstrong and Getty explore the dangerous escalation between armed protestors and law enforcement:

  • “If you’re carry a gun, get in the face like nose to nose with a cop, screaming at them guy, now you’re playing a different game with your life than I want to play.” (Joe Getty, 06:10)
  • They note even gun rights groups are split, highlighting how legally carrying a gun doesn’t justify getting in a cop’s face amidst public tension.

• The show exposes the tactics and dangers faced by ICE and Border Patrol, referencing Discord chats where protest groups coordinate across the country to "drive ICE out of the city":

  • “He said this is a nationwide orchestrated attempt to drive ICE out of the city and they plan to go to wherever, whatever city ICE is in. So just leaving Minneapolis won’t help.” (Joe Getty, 11:56)

4. Media and Political Narrative Manipulation

• Armstrong and Getty slam politicians and media for immediate, inflammatory responses without facts:

  • “When I heard administration officials immediately go to the ‘this was justified’ card before they obviously had an opportunity to look into this. That’s terrible. You can’t do that.” (Joe Getty, 08:13)
  • “Now everybody’s immediately willing to call something a murder or completely justified.” (Joe Getty, 08:45)

• Special ire is reserved for Governor Walz’s hyperbolic Anne Frank comparison:

  • “Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota, came out yesterday and said children are hiding in their homes just like Anne Frank had to hide from the Gestapo.” (Joe Getty, 07:41)
  • “That is, that’s helpful. That’s like a parody of what Tim Walz might say. He’s awful. He’s an awful human being and a moron.” (Jack Armstrong, 08:03)

5. Politicians Chasing Twitter Narratives

• Armstrong posits that both DHS and politicians like Kristi Noem are more interested in seizing the online narrative than being responsible leaders:

  • “Is it possible that, you know, DHS Kristi Noem and company think that the most important thing we can do is seize the narrative online…Cause the real America can handle: 'Any loss of life is tragic. We are going to investigate this carefully and thoroughly and make sure justice is done.' But no, instead they rush to online to own the narrative.” (Jack Armstrong, 34:24)

• They point out this leads to cartoonish, bad faith explanations to the public:

  • “Instead they rush to online to own the narrative…politicians are that either dumb or I’m missing something. Maybe that is the most important thing in the world. I don’t think it is.” (Jack Armstrong, 34:45)

6. Policy, Law, and the Need for Real Reform

• Armstrong and Getty repeatedly demand honest policy debate: change the laws if you don’t like them—don’t just circumvent or ignore them when convenient.

  • “If people don’t like the laws, the laws should be changed. That’s Barack Obama not that many years ago.” (Joe Getty, 37:54)

• They call for balanced immigration enforcement, including going after employers of illegal immigrants—a more holistic, less partisan approach.

• The need for adult, mature governance is a recurring theme:

  • "We need adults. Adults. Serious, boring, earnest adults." (Jack Armstrong, 47:03)

7. The "Cauldron of Despair" and Spiraling Public Mood

• The episode closes with self-deprecating jokes about how grim and hopeless the country’s political climate feels, envisioning listeners tuning out for lighter fare.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Political Irresponsibility:
  • "Crack hoes are being insulted. Crack hoes insult each other by calling themselves politicians." (Jack Armstrong, 04:06)
• On Hyperbolic Analogies:
  • “Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota, came out yesterday and said children are hiding in their homes just like Anne Frank had to hide from the Gestapo. Oh my God.” (Joe Getty, 07:41)
• On the Collapse of Grownup Dialogue:
  • “How, how did we get so far from how many years ago was it when if you asked anyone a question about this sort of thing, the answer was always, ‘I don’t comment on an ongoing investigation.’” (Jack Armstrong, 08:30)
• On the Real Stakes:
  • “If the organized, we show up and throw rocks at you and block you in with our cars ... people win on this, then where are we in enforcing federal law? Anywhere in the country?” (Joe Getty, 12:31)
• On Social Media Impact:
  • “Is it possible that ... politicians think the most important thing we can do is seize the narrative online ... I don’t think it is.” (Jack Armstrong, 34:24)
• On Leadership:
  • “Our ideas are so much better. Our policies are so much better. As long as we don’t eff it up ... The only way they can stop us is if we stop ourselves. And it makes me insane ... when the things that are wrong with the Trump administration overcome the things that are right with the Trump administration.” (Jack Armstrong, 10:38)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:32-04:43 – Title explanation and broadside against Minneapolis politicians
• 04:16-06:10 – The desperate search for honest discourse on immigration and law
• 07:41-08:13 – Critique of Governor Walz's Anne Frank comparison and instant political statement manufacturing
• 11:56-12:51 – The orchestration of anti-ICE protests across the nation
• 18:31-19:13 – Mark Halperin’s assertion that political change is imminent in Minneapolis
• 25:16-27:38 – On-the-ground ICE perspectives about “split-second” decisions and what the media/politicians are getting wrong
• 29:49-32:51 – Inside sourcing: federal law enforcement frustrated with administration’s misleading narrative
• 34:24-35:24 – Social media’s dominance of political response and narrative
• 37:54-38:13 – Barack Obama era as a marker for rational discussion on immigration
• 46:55-47:03 – Listener mail: exhaustion and the desperate desire for grownup leadership

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Tone and Style

Armstrong & Getty approach the topics with their trademark blend of biting sarcasm, frustration, and exasperation—especially with politicians and media figures they see as irresponsible or opportunistic. They frequently break down the issues with down-to-earth analogies, sports metaphors, and humor, despite the seriousness of the overall subject.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you missed the episode, expect a no-holds-barred critique of the current immigration crisis and America’s divided, dysfunctional response. Armstrong & Getty dissect how the Minneapolis ICE shooting has become a symbol of the country’s broken mechanisms for debate, law enforcement, and governance itself. They highlight the dangers of performative politics as well as the urgent need for genuine, adult conversations about law, policy, and the role of media—and express grave concern (laced with humor and weariness) over the country’s apparent drift into ever-deeper conflict and confusion.

Transcript

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting Live from the Abraham Lincoln radio Studio, the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty. Live from studio Studio C A, senor.

[Joe Getty]

A dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Yeti communications compound. Kicking off a brand new week. Who knows what might happen this week? This might be the greatest week of your life. Wait, you might look back on this week and think, man, that's when everything changed for the better. Or, oh, this could be the tipping point where those birds come home to roost.

[Jack Armstrong]

So many seeds.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, welcome to another live presentation of the Armstrong and Getty Show.

[Jack Armstrong]

And our title today is Max Ugliness in Minneapolis. Or deport the politicians. All of them.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ice Barbie.

[Joe Getty]

Get her out of here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Christy. No. Must go the hard ass Greg Bovino. Sorry. No. No more Mayor Fry, please. Next plane out.

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Waltz.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get him out. All of them. They're bringing, they're, they're, they're, they're bringing disrepute to the term politician. As if that was possible at this point.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, that's a heck of a thing to say.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. Crack hoes are being insulted. Crack hoes insult each other by calling themselves politicians.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Looking for a grown up Yesterday I was looking for anybody anywhere, really. Pundit politician anywhere. Anyone who is willing to say, we have federal laws about immigration we have to enforce and we have to enforce the laws or change the laws and you can't be shooting people who don't deserve to be shot. Nobody said those two things together that I saw. Not a single human did I see say those two things together.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would add in having watched a fair amount of football over the weekend. Hey, you've got to put your players in situations where they can win and don't put them in situations where it's very, very dangerous and they're probably going to lose. On the other, quit whipping up the citizenry into confronting federal armed law enforcement officers trying to do their duty as they were commanded to do. Everybody stop. Oh, have you, have you owned the fascists? Oh, great. People are dead. Have you owned the libs? How about we own the policy and give Americans better lives? All right? Instead of trying to own each other online, for God's sake, what would George Washington say? I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, don't show up to the hottest spot in America with a gun either. That's a really, really bad idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

It really is a terrible idea. Now, interestingly, on the right gun rights, on the right gun rights organizations and advocates are now splitting with some of the administration saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's perfectly legal to do, that's not against the law. And law enforcement can't shoot you because you have a gun.

[Joe Getty]

I didn't.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is a serious problem. I just don't think exactly right. On the other hand, I think commonsensical people are saying ups the ante in a super heated situation in a way that serves no one. Don't do it, man.

[Joe Getty]

If you're, if you're, carry a gun, get in the face like nose to nose with a cop, screaming at them guy, now you're playing a different game with your life than I want to play. Yeah, that's a heck of a thing. But again, who's, who's for enforcing immigration law? Is anybody. That's, that's the thing that's been left out of this for weeks. And I've been saying this over and over again. I really think it is all of these people talking. They don't want the laws to be the laws we have. That's, that's the reality of it. The shooting is a great reason to, you know, want to drive ICE and any sort of illegal immigration enforcement out of your state or your town. But the reality of it is you don't like the policy at all. Why can't we have the policy discussion? That's the way grownups would do it. Let's have the policy discussion.

[Jack Armstrong]

I could easily see somebody from the Trumpy side saying, saying essentially what you just said and then saying, look, I think we're all agreed that illegal immigrants with criminal records, we're justified in asking them to leave the country. Right. Doesn't everybody agree with that? Okay, having said that, you not only will not cooperate with the federal authorities so that they can apprehend these guys, they're in the freakin jail. No, you insist on turning them loose into the neighborhoods. So it is practically guaranteed. It's gonna get hairy. How do you justify that? Let's talk about it. Let's come to some sort of common ground and enforce the damn law.

[Joe Getty]

Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota, came out yesterday and said children are hiding in their homes just like Anne Frank had to hide from the Gestapo.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

Someday one of these children will write a book like Anne Frank did about hiding during this awful period of our times.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is, that's helpful. That's like a parody of what Tim Walls might say. He's awful. He's an awful human being and a moron.

[Joe Getty]

Of course, you know, you said get rid of Kristi Noem. When I heard administration officials immediately go to the this was justified card before they obviously had an opportunity to look into this. That's terrible. You can't do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

How, how did we get so far.

[Joe Getty]

From how many years ago was it when if you asked anyone a question about this sort of thing, the answer was always, I don't comment on an ongoing investigation. And it would take weeks.

[Jack Armstrong]

We need to wait till the facts are known.

[Joe Getty]

It would take days or weeks before we would get a comment out of anybody. But now everybody's immediately willing to call something a murder or completely justified.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if it were merely completely justified, that would be bad. But they said he came intent on slaughtering as many agents as he could and was stopped just in time. That was utterly a work of fiction. It was disgusting. And if you are the sort of knee jerk, my side, their side, my side, their side person, first of all, try to not be that. It's not a great look. Secondly, when the lefties come for us, are you going to be saying the same things?

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wake up. It's about your right. It's about again, let's own the governance, let's own the policy, not the other side online.

[Joe Getty]

Well, the, the reality of the politics of this is, you know, whether you want it to be this way or not. If you do the whole strongly approve, somewhat disapprove sort of breakdown with the four different categories. It's now 55% strongly disapprove with like another 20% of somewhat disapprove. I mean it's not even close of ice in the. They're handling things. I mean it's not even close. So just as a political issue, I mean at some time the rubber meets the road on that and then you've got the funding thing that has emerged today. They've got yet another, you know, bill they gotta pass to keep our government functioning. Remember the government shut down. The longest one in history we had a couple of months ago. Anyway, Democrats and some Republicans are vowing to pull funding for DHS until they pull out of Minneapolis. And you need 60 votes with the way this legislation works so they're able to do it. So that is there. Is it going to be a government shutdown or they're not going to fund DHS starting on Friday, I think.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. You know, people will occasionally. It's been a while but would Semi regularly say of me what you, you criticize Republicans or Trump too much? The other side is doing this, that and the other. And I see your point, because Lord knows I criticize the left plenty, and there's plenty to be said on that topic. But here's the deal. Here's the way I see it crystallized in my head moments ago. Our ideas are so much better. Our policies are so much better. As long as we don't eff it up. As long as we don't, Rams fans perhaps commit penalties and make dumb coaching decisions. As long as we don't screw it up, we will win. We will get the sickos out of the schools and get them back to teaching. We will get the Marxists out of the halls of power. We will quit squandering money and giving $10 million to Stacey Abrams. Well, all of that stuff. The only way they can stop us is if we stop ourselves. And it makes me insane when, when, you know, to paraphrase Bill Clinton, the things that are wrong with the Trump administration overcome the things that are right with the Trump administration. Makes me crazy.

[Joe Getty]

But how do you unwind this situation at this point? So I was watching some former Border Patrol guys, not with a think tank now. We're going to play a little bit of him later, but I was watching him this morning on one of the news networks talk about how they have gotten into the Discord chat or whatever of the organization of the people that are, you know, demonstrating on the streets. And he said this is a nationwide orchestrated attempt to drive ICE out of the city and they plan to go to wherever, whatever city ICE is in. So just leaving Minneapolis won't help.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

And then the other question being if the, if the organized, we show up and throw rocks at you and block you in with our cars and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, people win on this, then where are we in enforcing federal law? Anywhere in the country.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

If it's something that people on the left don't like, they, they now have a win and believe we can, we can stop this. We can drive it out. We can make the federal government decide, I guess we better not enforce this law and back out. I mean, that's no way to run a country.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? What we, you know, if I were called in to advise the administration, especially before now or even now, I would say that's right. That's why we've got to make sure those public opinion numbers don't go to where they are now. We've got to keep our noses clean. We got to do it right. We got to go after the scumb, make it clear that we're just going after the scumbags. We've gotta be gentlemanly and then we've gotta call out the radical left for who they are and what they are and what they're doing. But if we come off as what they're claiming, we are often being provoked by those Marxists. They know what they're doing. They want violence. They want Alex Preddy to be dead. The leftists want that desperately because now they can really whip stuff up.

[Joe Getty]

Up.

[Jack Armstrong]

We've got to be smarter than that.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. MSNBC this morning just flat out said to lead their newscast. Two execution style shootings in as many weeks.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's horrible.

[Joe Getty]

Well, absolutely horrible. That's great. That's a good way to bring the country together. It is sick. It is absolutely sick.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, name the people, media organizations that have any GD interest in bringing the country together. You're not going to, you know, find MSNBC on that list.

[Joe Getty]

All right, we should start the show officially. There's lots to talk about besides this obs that we will get to throughout the show. Enjoy the football yesterday. That's some pretty good football. I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe Getty on this. It is Monday, January 26th, the year 2026, where Armstrong, you're getting. We approve of this program.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, let's begin then. Officially, according to FCC rules and regs. Here we go at mark.

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[Joe Getty]

Did I hear 2/3 of the country was hit with this storm?

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, is that my population, that weather map? Yeah, yeah, I think so. Geographically, if you leave out Alaska, it was damn close. I tweeted out that weather map. There was snow from like Flagstaff, Arizona to Bangor, Maine, and it was all the same storm. That's just crazy.

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It is.

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That's a monster storm indeed.

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[Joe Getty]

Okay, I was just reading through A bunch of different pieces that lead me to believe, as Mark Halpern writes in his newsletter today, the jig is up in Minneapolis. Politically, practically everything. It's going to change like very, very soon in some way pull out different rules of engagement, something.

[Jack Armstrong]

But yeah, if I were to be refereeing this situation, yet another sports metaphor, first thing I would do is get everybody back on their benches, back to the sidelines. Let's clear the field. We got to calm this thing, the blank down before anything else happens. Anyway, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's lead story with Kitty Green. Kitty.

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[Joe Getty]

I generally like a snowy playoff football game, but I feel like it really affected the game yesterday. Made it impossible for. Yeah. The game to really happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. That should have been a high flying point score and you know, and it was kind of a mess. Somebody needs to interview Stormy Daniels about the storm. That's what we need. Those were good times. Remember when she was in the headlines?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Simple to understand sex scandal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

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Yeah, we still got that hanging out there. We might be attacking Iran.

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[Joe Getty]

I think this is interesting because Europe has, you know, way different laws when it comes to free speech and all that sort of thing. And what they are going to allow chatbots to do, I do not know.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I know you and I agree policing this is going to be nigh on impossible. Right. Right.

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[Jack Armstrong]

What did we tell you?

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[Jack Armstrong]

Really?

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I want to read more about this.

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Yeah, I've only been hearing that since I was seven years old. Fool me again because I'm stupid.

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Oh, like in advertising. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Yeah. I can't wait to hear that story. We should do that in a bit.

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[Joe Getty]

Oh, Babylon Bee. That was too much fortunate. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't.

[Joe Getty]

You have lines and you cross them. We don't appreciate. We don't appreciate it. Especially on a Monday when we're all kind of serious trying to get our act together.

[Jack Armstrong]

After that was completely unamusing.

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Speak for yourselves.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm having a blast over after the.

[Joe Getty]

Debauchery of the weekend. We're trying to get everything back in line.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's with child. She can't be held responsible for her emotional reactions.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. Brain.

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Yeah, Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Let's think of what those agents were.

[Joe Getty]

Doing on that scene.

[Jack Armstrong]

Making a split second decision. You've had 24 hours to try and armchair quarterback things. That agent had a split seconds to make a decision. That's Greg Bovino, the head of the patrol division of ice. He went on say a bank robbery's in progress and the police are taking care of that.

[Joe Getty]

And then you decide to go in.

[Jack Armstrong]

There and take action. That's not a good idea in any form or fashion. The same thing with Title 8 enforcement. We are after an individual with a very serious criminal record. We don't need any help. That's absolutely true. Absolutely true. Every single word Greg Bevino said there. And everybody should be acting in a way that honors those truths. And then you've got the statements of ICE Barbie, Kristi Noem, utterly fictional announcements of what happened and why it happened that have now been condemned by every conservative publications editorial board that I know like and am familiar with. There's plenty ugly to go around here.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, her immediate going to this was justified. Was bad. Not a good thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, in the utter fiction of this guy showed up to slaughter agents and was just starting to when they bravely gunned him down. I mean, you know, as the free press said, they're playing the American people for fools.

[Joe Getty]

Well, when I watched the press conference yesterday from the ICE guy and the Border Patrol guy when they pointed out that. And this, I hadn't heard this, of course, because this is not the side of the story the media is into. But like the day before, some protesters, a lot of these protesters are freaking anarchist Marxists. Coordinated effort to try to, you know, mess up everything. But anyway, they tackled a couple ICE agents. There was a fight and one guy got his finger bit off. ICE agent got his finger bit off.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

So that's the, that's the environment you're working in when somebody comes up screaming in your face is, am I about to get into a full on fight? What is about to happen here? And that's, that's not, that's that that level of heightened tension is not good for anybody. And.

[Jack Armstrong]

The goal of a whole bunch.

[Joe Getty]

Of those people is to not enforce immigration law at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

That everyone, that huge swaths of America, well, like 75, 80% of Americans want enforced to the letter. Okay? It's hugely popular. They're radicals, they're maniacs. And for the record, I was critical of ICE and the Trump administration to some extent for putting their players in a position where they were going to lose. I thought that bank robbery, you know, metaphor was a good one. You're just, you're putting your guys into super, super intense situations. Now. Why are they super intense? Old Mayor Fry and Governor Waltz, I want them investigated for inciting riots and interfering with federal law enforcement. I'd like to, I see them both in Leavenworth. I think they're, they're horrible. I think they're bad people and they're bad politicians, bad, you know, officials, for the record. But my God, everybody needs to settle down and, and quit putting the guys on the front line in such a horrible, dangerous position. My sympathies are with them this day, you know, and then the poor son of a bitch who lost his life. But man, there are plenty of bad decisions to go around.

[Joe Getty]

Well, pundit Mark Halperin took in a whole bunch of different points of view over the weekend. And his take on it is this was a tipping point. And the whole Minneapolis thing has got to get. Is going to be different this week in some way or another that it crossed some sort of line for the American people just based on polling and comments from lots and lots of Republicans. And what we have here from Bill Malusion, who is as trusted a voice on immigration stuff, illegal immigration stuff as anyone in the country. Now, I, you know, half the country who doesn't watch Fox is, probably doesn't know his name. If you watch Fox, he's been on the border forever and just a really good, solid, fair reporter. But he, he let everybody know that even for people who are into border enforcement, things have gotten out of whack.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. We don't have an audio version of this, do we? No. Okay. Here's what he said. Since yesterday's deadly shooting in Minnesota, I've talked to more than half a dozen federal sources involved in immigration enforcement, including several in senior positions who all tell me they have grown increasingly uneasy and frustrated with some of the claims and narratives DHS pushed in the aftermath of the shooting. Specifically, I'm told there is extreme frustration with DHS officials going on TV and putting out statements claiming that Alex Preddy was intending to Kentucky conduct, quote, excuse me, a massacre of federal agents are wanting to carry out, quote, maximum damage even after numerous videos appeared to show those claims were inaccurate. While they say it was a terrible decision to show up with a gun and inject himself into a federal law enforcement operation, I think we can all agree on that. There's no indication Preddy was there to murder law enforcement, as videos appear to show he never drew his holstered firearm. These sources say this messaging from DHS officials has been catastrophic from a PR and morale perspective as it is eroding trust and credibility. Comparing it to when Democrats falsely claimed the border was closed or that Haitians were being whipped at the border, every bit is idiotic and fictional. I'm sorry, I added that down. Some of these sources have described DHS's response to the shooting is, quote, a case study on how not to do crisis pr. One said they are so, quote, fed up that they wish they could retire. Another said, quote, dhs is making the situation worse. Another added that DHS is wrong and we are losing this war. We are losing the base and the narrative. These sources all believe this is going to end up being what they call a bad shoot, a poopy situation using a cleaner word that happened in seconds where agents likely heard gun. Then the disarmed firearm may have had an accidental discharge that spooked the agents and they shot the agents, do not have the luxury of multiple slow motion angles and had to make split second decisions. All of the sources support the mass deportation agenda but have serious hesitations about the way it is being carried out and the messaging that comes with it. Many of the sources have expressed frustration that ICE is routinely blamed for the actions of Border Patrol, a completely separate agency. I've reached out to DHS for comment on concerns that their rhetoric and comments have damaged their credibility they provided the following statement to Fox News. We have seen a highly coordinated campaign of violence against our law enforcement. This individual committed a federal crime while armed as he obstructed a law enforcement operation. As with any situation that is evolving, we work to give swift, accurate information to the American people as more information becomes available.

[Joe Getty]

So even people on the ground in ICE and border Patrol are looking like what Kristi Noem said yesterday and thinking, what the hell are you doing? You just made my job 10 times harder and more dangerous.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. You made me, by extension, an incredible in the classic use of the term liar, a liar with no credibility.

[Joe Getty]

I think people can handle more nuance than politicians think. But if you found texts today of the guys who, you know, pulled the trigger, shot, shot the dude on Saturday morning, if you found texts today on their phone saying, let's shoot a guy today. I hate these people, let's kill him, them. And it's 100% true. They murdered him. Still doesn't mean that we don't have like 15 million illegal immigrants and according to the law, they need to leave. Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

It doesn't change that fact. So what do you want to do with that? Do you want to change the law? Maybe you do. I don't, but maybe you do. That's fine. Let's, let's pass legislation or vote or something. But if we have federal laws, let's enforce them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. You want to pat the citizenship, work permits, that sort of thing. Seasonal workers. Great. Let's ram a federal official's car. No.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, I heard a good one the other day. I heard a good one the other day. And this would have been great from the Trump administration. There should have been early on making the evening news, a perp walk of some CEO of some company who's been hiring illegals forever, you know, marching him out of the office in cuffs because he was violating law. To show that we're doing this from every angle. This isn't about brown people. This is about enforcing immigration law. This is, you can't hire illegals. You can't be here illegally. All this stuff is no good. But you know that. I think that would have helped to make it, to make it seem like it's not just going after the people that came across.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. And the messaging does matter. But I was, it's funny, I was just going to bring up kind of a tangent, but we've heard many, many times that, like, the Democratic Party got led way astray because they thought Twitter is America. Is it possible that, you know, DHS Kristi Noem and company think that the most important thing we can do is seize the narrative online. Seize the narrative on Twitter and YouTube and say he was a domestic terrorist come to slaughter officials. I mean cause the real America can handle any loss of life is tragic. We are going to investigate this carefully and thoroughly and make sure justice is done. We'll have no further comment. We are investigating. But no, instead they rush to online to own the narrative. I guess. I guess politicians are that either dumb or I'm missing something. Maybe that is the most important thing in the world. I don't think it is.

[Joe Getty]

Well, the new era we're in.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't like it. Bring back the old era.

[Joe Getty]

I agree a hundred percent. I'll give you some examples of the new era versus the old era after we tell you about rough greens, which is not a dog food because you might be thinking I'm not gonna change my dog's food because there's all the, you know, this and that night they.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

The poop funny. And I already got a system for buying it. No, this is something you put on your dog food that's really, really healthy for your dogs.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

So you go back to Joe Biden. I saw this yesterday, the video again when he talked about the way those border patrol agents were strapping those people hitting him with the reins, how awful that was. And then there was an investigation on that and it never ever happened. And Joe Biden knew it didn't happen or should have known it didn't happen or shouldn't have shot off his mouth without knowing whether or not it happened. So this whipping people up whip up around immigration stuff and racial stuff, you know, has been going on for a while. It's not good. Like you said, we need to fire all the politicians who go out and make statements designed to whip people up. The whole point of the statement is to whip people up as opposed to throughout, like most of my life where politicians said things. Calm thing down. I'll even go back to Barack Obama 2013, trying to calm something down. He was. I saw this yesterday. Asked why his administration is deporting so many people and separating families, he said, I'm the president, not an emperor. I have to enforce the law. Even if it's tragic and heartbreaking. If people don't like the laws, the laws should be changed. That's Barack Obama not that many years ago.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. So we live in an era where Barack Obama would be the voice of common sense. Man, we're hurting for certain. And I'm sorry, I must throw into the cauldron of disgust here. Alejandro Mayorkas. The border is secure.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, that may be the political lie of all time. Never mind the century. I mean, it might go back to the Roman Empire. The biggest, stupidest lie ever.

[Joe Getty]

What the hell? I've got a busy day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and so on. Enjoying his retirement, clearly half wit.

[Joe Getty]

Cauldron of Despair.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who wants to turn this gust.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, do you listen to Armstrong and Getty? It's a cauldron of despair. I think I'll listen to something where they play the greatest country hits of the 90s instead.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, God dang it. I got friends in a low.

[Joe Getty]

Or you can flip over here and check out the Cauldron of Despair and see what we're talking about today.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong. Oh, what?

[Joe Getty]

The most depressing radio show ever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Close to the stew of despair. Save me a dumpling of discouragement.

[Joe Getty]

We've got Mailbag coming up. Stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Joe Getty]

I mean, I like a snowy football game, but if the players can't actually, you know, if you can't run or throw or catch, it just, I don't know, kind of reduces it to. I don't know what it reduces it.

[Jack Armstrong]

To, but it reminded me of the football games in the snow. I played as a kid. Yeah, it was fun, but nobody would have watched it. Yeah, too bad. Here's your Freedom of Me quote of the day, Marty. And Lincoln writes, I've just finished reading Walter Isaacson's incredible biography of Benjamin Franklin. I pulled a few quotes from the great man that I thought you might enjoy. I need to read that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, he's Isaacson's good. And he's got the new book out this year for the 250th anniversary. Greatest sentence Ever Written about the we hold these truths to be self evident. I'm looking forward to reading that one.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, wow. I agree with them. That is certainly one of the great sentences. Here's a quote from way back in the day. Ben said, without freedom of thought, there can be no such thing as wisdom and no such thing as public liberty. Without freedom of speech. Oh, we've got a silent we just want to silence hate speech or dangerous speech. Okay, Mailbag, we'll continue our series with Ben Franklin through the week. Drop us a Note [e-mail] MC in response to my question, what would George Washington say about the situation in Minneapolis? He asked AI and AI said, based on his actions during the Whiskey Rebellion and his established political philosophy, George Washington would likely condemn attack on ice off attacks on ICE officers as acts of violent anarchy and a dangerous threat to the rule of law. Look, he absolutely would. Absolutely would. There's plenty of wrong to go around. Let's see, Robert says, guys, this is all about the Minnesota a fraud and the deflection from it. The feds can't back down or it'll be anarchy in every blue city. The left has organized a color revolution that needs to be broken and the funding exposed. This is the media's creation. If they wanted a different narrative, they could run endless coverage of the murders, rapes and crimes of the illegals who are being arrested. That would create a completely different narrative. Somebody is driving this. Who?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah man, I saw a post over the weekend I thought was actually pretty powerful. It was a list of people that have been killed by ICE and three people or something like that. And then they're. They're horrible and tragic in most cases. But then a list of all the people that have been killed by illegals. And you know that Trump would talk about when he'd go to rallies or whatever that never got any news coverage outside of Fox at all?

[Jack Armstrong]

Nope, nope. That's of no significance. You're scapegoating illegals. Not all illegals are murderers. Illegals actually commit crimes on lower levels. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah. It's no wonder that Americans, a lot of Americans, have a perverse view of what's actually happening in the world. They're given a perverse, you know, account of the story over and over again.

[Joe Getty]

Or increasingly, people check out of, you know, legitimate news streams because they don't feel like they're getting anything close to accurate depiction of what's going on.

[Jack Armstrong]

True, indeed. Sometimes end up in a worse place. Dave wants to know if conservatives are okay with taking a legal gun out of a man's holster, then shooting him 10 times. No, absolutely not. No, it's. No, there's more to it, as we've been discussing since the show began. But, yeah, I see your point. More importantly, though, a couple of dinosaur corrections. We're discussing the Tyrannosaurus Rex specifically last week because of this quote from lunkhead Gavin Newsom. He's a T. Rex. You mate with him or he devours you. Well, Sean points out, as a theropod, the Tyrannosaurus Rex is more closely related to birds than lizards. So when you ref. Referred to hot, hot lizard love would be more accurate to say hot, hot bird love. Thank you. Also, like other species, it is unlikely that Tyrannosaurus rex mated with other species at all. So Gavin Newsom is wrong on that count. I'll await the official corrections. You have heard them, Sean. You have heard them.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, we now know T. Rexes had feathers. They were. They're. They're more of a bird. So, yeah, there's. Jurassic park is a big lie. Jurassic park is a lie perpetrated by big lizards are.

[Jack Armstrong]

Part of me thinks in 10 years they'll announce we were wrong. They're actually, there's more like horses. They had, like, coarse hair. Whatever. Yeah. And Winnie.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Then finally, this from Marianne. I hate stupidity. I'm not one to hate people, but I do hate stupidity. And there's no reason for a human to be stupid. Animals are not stupid. Why are humans. God gave humans common sense and reasoning, but I'm seeing liberals are not using any common sense and no reasoning, which makes them very stupid. Stupid. Especially Minnesotans. Absolutely no common sense or reasoning. Are they really that stupid? That's a woman who has no patience for stupid, I'll tell you that.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy. Things aren't getting better.

[Jack Armstrong]

We need adults. Adults. Serious, boring, earnest adults.

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We'd have to elect them if you missed a segment of this show. Get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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