It's A Liger!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: It's A Liger!
Date: January 8, 2026
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)

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Overview

In this wide-ranging episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty deliver their signature blend of news, cultural commentary, and humor. They discuss everything from generational habits and major world events, like the protests in Iran and U.S. strategy in Greenland, to hot-button domestic news such as the controversial shooting in Minneapolis. The show also features lighter fare, highlighting the cultural significance of college football and novelties from the Consumer Electronics Show, all delivered in an irreverent, conversational style.

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Main Themes & Discussion Points

1. Generational Shifts: Thrifting & Sewing (02:45–04:24)

• Rising Popularity of Sewing: Jack notes that more men, including his own 16-year-old son, are taking up sewing, driven in part by a thrifting trend.
• Reaction to Earlier Generations: Joe wonders if younger generations’ frugality is a response to Baby Boomer and Gen X excess:

  "Could it be that the insane profligate spending of the boomers and perhaps even Gen X has convinced the youngsters this is not the way to live your life?" (03:18, Joe Getty)

• Jack is optimistic about these trends, seeing it as a hopeful correction.

2. Debt Crisis & Political Apathy (03:52–04:32)

• Jack reflects on historian Niall Ferguson’s take that the mounting national debt, especially in the U.S. and U.K., is the real “biggest story”—one that gets dangerously little attention:

  "It's like, I don't know. I've got a brain tumor and I talk about all kinds of other things all the time, but never talk about my brain tumor." (03:52, Jack Armstrong)

• Joe calls this collective avoidance “whistling past the graveyard.” (04:32)

3. Geopolitics & Greenland (04:58–08:19)

• Trump & Greenland: The hosts analyze former President Trump’s suggestion to buy or seize Greenland, referencing a David Ignatius column as well as bipartisan opinions that the U.S. requires more control over Greenland for strategic reasons.
• Joe cautions against “bullying” allies, saying Trump’s approach is counterproductive:

  "You don't bully your way in. That's gonna make it harder, not easier." (06:26, Joe Getty)

• The hosts question the seriousness of military action regarding Greenland, noting European anxieties about U.S. intentions:

  "They seem to—the European leaders actually are worried that, you know, we're going to land Marines on Greenland and round up the penguins and teach them English." (07:49, Jack Armstrong)

4. Unrest in Iran (08:19–12:58)

• Escalation of Protests: Armstrong notes the unprecedented nature of current protests, with national symbols (the Islamic Republic flag) being torn down.
• Joe distinguishes these protests from earlier ones:
  • Broader geographic spread: "Protests had taken place in 28 of Iran's 31 provinces." (10:05, Joe Getty)
  • U.S. policy change: Contrasts Trump’s aggressive, explicit support for Iranian protesters—threatening retribution if the regime cracks down—against previous presidents’ hands-off stance.

  "Trump has said, no, what's clearly right, what's clearly best for the United States is that these people, the protesters, win. I'm not going to pretend we don't think that. I'm going to state it openly. Not only that, I'm going to threaten the mullahs." (10:05)

• The dire economic conditions (massive inflation) underpinning unrest are highlighted humorously and seriously:

  “People will put up with...being oppressed...if the economy is pretty good. If you're being oppressed and the economy sucks...the chafing of oppression starts to chafe bad.” (12:05, Joe Getty)

5. U.S. Policy in Venezuela & Executive Power (13:10–14:45)

• The hosts comment on Trump’s approach to Venezuela—seizing control over oil profits and establishing an “executive fund side hustle,” with Jack expressing concerns about executive overreach:

  "So the executive branch...has its own source of income outside of Congress, which has the power of the purse" (14:45, Jack Armstrong)

• Joe adds that this creates constitutional issues.

6. College Football and Regional Culture (18:07–22:01)

• Jack recounts the passionate culture of college sports in the South, contrasting it with California’s apathy.
• He describes the atmosphere in Louisiana during bowl season, emphasizing the multigenerational fandom of teams like Ole Miss and Georgia:

  "It's such a major part of the culture in the southeastern U.S....And it's kind of charming, different, interesting." (20:58, Joe Getty)

• Joe offers biting commentary on some universities’ athletic histories and the moral issues surrounding them.

7. Minneapolis Shooting: Protest, Media, and Political Spin (24:03–38:19)

Incident Recap & Protest Dynamics (24:03–26:13)

• The hosts discuss the shooting of a woman by an ICE officer during a Minneapolis protest, the anger it generated, and Governor Tim Walz’s call for calm—while criticizing officials’ premature statements and media framing.

  "He called for calm after declaring it was clearly a murder, by the way." (25:59, Jack Armstrong)

"Decision Dilemmas" and Activism (26:13–29:54)

• Joe connects the tactics of protestors to Saul Alinsky’s “decision dilemma”—provoking authorities into a no-win response to garner outrage and attention.

  "Marxists are trained to put you into predicaments you can't win. They're called decision dilemmas. It's straight out of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals." (27:58, Joe Getty)

Victim’s Motives & Protest Culture (30:10–31:34)

• Reports indicate the woman was intentionally leading traffic-blocking protests, not just an innocent bystander.

  "She was very successful in blocking traffic. She was doing what she was set out to do." (29:28, witness clip)

• Her personal motivations—a poet and activist—are dissected sympathetically, with Jack lamenting her choices as a mother.

Cautions on Rights & Rushed Narratives (32:12–36:30)

• Both hosts urge nuance: criticizing extreme, fast pronouncements from both the left and the right—whether it’s calling the shooting “murder” or assuming guilt/innocence.
• Joe cautions against allowing authorities to act without strict legal justification, warning about precedents for the future.

  "We've got to make sure we live in a country where that can't happen unless it is, according to the letter of the law, justified." (34:57, Joe Getty)

Media Coverage & Political Harm (36:30–38:06)

• Deep concern is voiced about how quickly the media framed the story and how divisive such incidents are becoming for American society.

8. Consumer Electronics Show & Rise of Household Robots (41:26–44:54)

• Jack and Joe riff on new tech gadgets—robotic mowers, pool cleaners, and adaptive “glance glasses.”
• Jack questions the true benefit of endless automation:

  "What is our goal here? To have more free time to scroll through our phone? Because that's what most people do anyway." (42:43, Jack Armstrong)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On generational shifts:
  "It kind of fits in with the whole thrifting is such a thing now for clothes." (02:54, Jack Armstrong)

• On the Iran protests:
  "In contrast to previous administrations...Trump has said, no, what's clearly right, what's clearly best for the United States is that these people, the protesters, win." (10:05, Joe Getty)

• On protest tactics:
  "Marxists are trained to put you into predicaments you can't win. They're called decision dilemmas." (27:58, Joe Getty)

• On media fast takes:
  "I was really disappointed in the media coverage. I was amazed how far they were willing to go so quickly to, 'This was an unjustified shooting.'" (36:15, Jack Armstrong)

• On AI and automation:
  "If it could, like, do the laundry and take it out and fold it and everything like that, I would dig that…. But are we just freeing up more time to scroll through your phone?" (41:49–42:55, Armstrong & Getty)

• The episode title (with classic A&G dad-joke punch):
  "It's a Liger." (43:54, Joe Getty, riffing on 'lidar' with Napoleon Dynamite reference)

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:45] – Trends: Men and sewing, thrift culture
• [03:52] – Debt crisis, Niall Ferguson commentary
• [04:58] – Greenland, geopolitics, Trump and world perceptions
• [08:19] – Uprising in Iran, economic factors, Trump’s policy shift
• [13:10] – Venezuela, executive overreach
• [18:07] – College football’s cultural regional divide
• [24:03] – Minneapolis shooting incident, summary
• [26:13] – Tactics of protest and Marxist "decision dilemmas"
• [30:10] – Victim’s personal activism background
• [32:12] – Political reactions, legal and societal implications
• [36:30] – Media criticism, impact on the national mood
• [41:26] – Consumer Electronics Show gadget rundown, automation debate
• [43:54] – “It’s a Liger!” moment & related dad-joke banter

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Tone & Dynamics

The episode exemplifies Armstrong & Getty's style—lively, occasionally sardonic, unfiltered, and often darkly humorous. The hosts dive deep into news stories with opinionated candor, tempering outrage and critique with wry asides and pop culture references.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode expertly blends topical depth (on serious subjects like Iran, U.S. policy, and domestic unrest) with cultural color and humor. Jack and Joe’s skepticism toward political actors, the media, and society’s trending obsessions is ever-present, making this a quintessential Armstrong & Getty experience for listeners seeking both insight and entertainment.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

Broadcasting live from the abraham lincoln radio.

[Jack Armstrong]

Studio at the george washington broadcast center.

[Joe Getty]

Jack armstrong and joe getty armstrong and getty enough. Here's armstrong and yeti. According to a study, more men are picking up sewing as a hobby, which is helpful when they want to reattach their testicles.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't agree with that.

[Joe Getty]

It is traditional gender roles.

[Jack Armstrong]

It has become a thing. My son wanted and got a sewing machine for Christmas. My 16 year old son.

[Joe Getty]

Huh.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a thing with him and his friends. It kind of fits in with the whole thrifting is such a thing now for clothes. I mean, it is a thing that, that young people, I don't know how many young people I just randomly mentioned, like nieces and stuff like that. My son's super into it. People like, oh yeah, we went to blah blah, blah, we did some thrifting. That's just something you do now when you go to a town.

[Joe Getty]

How interesting. Given the fact that every generation is at least in part a reaction to the generation or two before it. Could it be that the insane profligate spending of the boomers and perhaps even Gen X has convinced the youngsters this is not the way to live your life? And they probably don't know the country's in debt, but who knows?

[Jack Armstrong]

God, I hope so. That would be one of the greatest things that's happened in my lifetime.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but they really ought to round up the old and jail us all for spending them into bankruptcy. But that another time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I didn't intend to get on this topic, but I was listening to a podcast with historian Neil Ferguson yesterday about the debt crisis, particularly in Great Britain, but also the United States as being like the really, really the biggest story in all of the world. And it just gets so little coverage or nobody does anything about it. Yeah, it's, it's, it's just, it's like, I don't know. What would be even a good analogy? Like, I don't know, I've got a brain tumor and I talk about all kinds of other things all the time, but never talk about my brain tumor.

[Joe Getty]

And the level of certainty that it will kill you is extremely high.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, well, it's like 100% right, right.

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[Joe Getty]

Anyway, I know it's, it's willful ignorance. It is whistling past the graveyard.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. There was a shooting in Minneapolis. I don't know if you heard about this. We talked about it quite a bit. Now, one, we're going to talk about it again. Bottom of this hour. Different views.

[Joe Getty]

It was all intentional by the left. It just went a little wrong. I will explain.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, interesting.

[Joe Getty]

They got what they wanted. In fact, they got precisely what they wanted.

[Jack Armstrong]

So the whole Greenland thing is interesting. Seems pretty clear in the coming century as the world kind of gets split between China and the United States. I do think that is going to more or less happen, uh, that Greenland be on our side one way or another. It doesn't have to be a state. We don't have to own it, but we need to be. China and Russia can't be involved in it whatsoever. Anyway, all this talk being thrown around about a military invasion and everything that Trump's perfectly happy to say about Greenland. This is what David Ignatius wrote in the Washington Post, and some of you will probably hate this, but he wrote, Trump's swaggering campaign to buy Greenland or seize it outright has instead produced a crisis that could damage American security for decades, far outweighing any gains from control of the barren island. I thought that's a hell of a thing to say. Shooting yourself in the foot is too generous a description for Trump's effort. It's more like shooting yourself in the head. He's basing this all on what European leaders, how they're reacting and what they're telling him behind the scenes and how upset they are about this.

[Joe Getty]

I will withhold my opinion until you go further. Unless you'd like my opinion.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, that's. Yeah, that's more or less the end of it. I would throw in that the Republican chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Roger Wicker, he's a Republican. He said this is a topic that should be dropped.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Well, I've read and heard from a number of folks whose opinions I really express, who are unquestionably conservatives and also believe that Greenland being a buddy is not good enough. We need to. We can't be going to the 30 to 60,000 people, however many people are on Greenland, and say, hey, gee, can we expand our presence? Or do you mind if we base this or that off your land or whatever? No, that's not going to be good enough going forward. We've got to have control of it for national security, geopolitical reasons, which y' all are probably more or less familiar with. So we need to have serious control over Greenland. People who agree 100% with that, virtually 100% of them say, yeah, but you don't bully your way in. That's gonna make it harder, not easier.

[Jack Armstrong]

Shut up. Don't.

[Joe Getty]

Don't demand the land and the dignity of our friends and allies. It's a terrible strategy, but it's like the one speed Trump knows well, David Ignatius is writing.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's suggesting that these European leaders actually believe some sort of military action is on the table. It's not, is it? It can't be.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it's on the table in the. In that Trump never takes it off the table. But it's way over at the other end of the Table could happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't believe it could happen. They seem to the European leaders actually are worried that, you know, we're going to land Marines on Greenland and round up the penguins and teach them English.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

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[Joe Getty]

That's settler colonialism.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mm.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I just. Oh, my God. There's no need to humiliate people who are probably inclined to come to a deal. Anyway, that's the end of my take on that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. So we're really into the. What's going on in Iran? They got, maybe the revolution is happening. The biggest flag there in Tehran that has the big Islamic republic.

[Joe Getty]

What do they ever.

[Jack Armstrong]

They call themselves?

[Joe Getty]

The Islamic Republic of Iran, I think.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got taken down by protesters yesterday. That has never happened before in any of these revolutions. It's more widespread around the country than previous uprisings have been, for whatever reason. While there has been some cracking down by, by the mullahs, not at the level that they usually do. I, I, I don't, I don't exactly know what the game is. If they feel like they've gotta let off some steam or they're scared of Trump, who said over the weekend, if they start shooting protesters, the United States is gonna get involved. What get involved means, nobody knows. But, you know, coming out of Venezuela, the Ayatollah might think get involved means I got helicopters outside my bedroom all of a sudden, and I got a blindfold on and my legs tied together.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. So there are two really fundamental ways that these protests are different than the protests before in 2017-2018-2019-2021, 2022. Number one, you just hit on one of them. That in contrast to previous administrations who thought, all right, we gotta stay out of it. Let this stay a, a domestic Iranian thing. That way the Republican Guard and the mullahs can't claim it's the colonial Americans trying to exert their running dog capitalist will on our people, blah, blah, blah. So our previous administrations have kept their hands off. The problem with that policy is, number one, they're going to blame the US Anyway. So what's the difference? And Trump has, and I was criticizing him seconds ago, Trump has said, no, what's clearly right, what's clearly best for the United States is that these people, the protesters, win. I'm not going to pretend we don't think that. I'm going to state it openly. Not only that, I'm going to threaten the mullahs. If they mess with the protesters, I'm going to kill them. That is a really interesting, innovative way to approach this sort of situation. I've been studying this thing, this sort of thing, since I was a kid. That's. That's ballsy and I like it. Anyway, having said that the other way, it's totally different. Jack, I think you may have touched on this. These, these protests is that in previous times, they're like, centered on Tehran and maybe you saw a little bit out in the hinterlands. Uh, as of yesterday morning, protests had taken place in 28 of Iran's 31 provinces, uh, including a couple that generally are considered bastions of regime loyalty. So this is way more widespread. Has a lot to do with the economy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that. That's. Men. We learned that with our election, grocery store prices, gas prices, man, that is a huge political topic for people.

[Joe Getty]

So I went to the trouble coming up with this. I'm going to hit you with it. The protest took place in 28 out of the 31 provinces. The three that did not participate, Ayatollah, Chusetts, Islam, Diana and Martyrland.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, well, you get to the grocery store and you need to buy your beard oil and your turbine, whatever. And.

[Joe Getty]

It'S twice, twice what you pay. Nice lightweight spring turban. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Your beard oil's doubled in price the last two months. You get up, you get upset, you get pissed off.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Actually, to your point that you were making lightly but with great skill.

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[Joe Getty]

Will put up with, say, being oppressed or being told, you gotta live like this and act like this. If the economy is pretty good and their lives are pretty good and they can do what they want behind closed doors. And there are other examples of the different sorts of freedom. But if you're being oppressed and your great protectors and their economy sucks, and you're seeing 62% food inflation year after year and 40 plus percent general inflation year after year, suddenly the chafing of oppression starts to chafe bad. And that's what's happening in Iran. And I just. Man, I would love to see the Islamic Republic go down into the stained, moldy pages of history.

[Jack Armstrong]

Camel saddles have tripled since June.

[Joe Getty]

Right, with your cliches. That's enough of that. All right, that's. Let's. Check ourselves.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're belligerent anti Middle east rhetoric.

[Joe Getty]

So we've touched on Greenland and Iran. The Venezuela thing is crazy. It's more interesting in a way than swooping in and snatching up old the bus driver Maduro. In a lot of ways, I just. Oh, oh. And Cuba. Cuba libre. The Cubans. The, The Cuban commie. Leaders are stewing in their own juices right now, wondering when the helicopters are going to come down the street.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are we saying Cuba now? Do I need to start rolling my R's whenever we discuss any of these things? Mondoro Maduro. I just saw some polling on CBS. It's 4852, so 5050 on whether or not you support what Trump did in Venezuela. Almost exactly what the election was. The voting is, you like Trump, you're in. I'll probably go with it. If you don't like Trump and probably against it because you don't really have an opinion, probably.

[Joe Getty]

I'll tell you this and then we can go to a break and figure out what to talk about. We'll talk about the shooting in Minneapolis in a few minutes. But the whole, yeah, yeah, we're in charge of their oil now and we're keeping the money and we'll give some of it back. And the president's done this with a number of things, including chip companies and tech companies. We now own a 10%, 15% stake, whatever it is. So the executive branch, like, has its own source of income outside of Congress, which has the power of the purse and kind of has an executive fund side hustle and slush fund.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's not a thing.

[Joe Getty]

As the kids say, constitutionally, we're gonna have to wrestle with that. That's the really interesting part to me. What are we doing?

[Jack Armstrong]

You go to the store in Mulachusetts and sandal straps are $60 a piece and you think, this will not stand.

[Joe Getty]

I've had enough. I'm taking to the streets.

[Jack Armstrong]

You says to yourself, you says, college football playoffs tonight. I want to mention something about that that I learned while I was in Louisiana, among other things on the way. Stay tuned.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Lots of drama in tonight's game pitting Miami versus Mississippi. Miami came into the playoffs ranked 10th out of 12 teams, but had no problem knocking off the two seed defending champion Ohio State in the quarterfinal. I'M sorry, honey. Miami has won five national championships in its storied history, but none since 2001. Ole Miss has just one recognized co championship. Guys.

So there you go. They're talking about college football on CBS this morning because he got playoff games going. Now which. One thing we learned, which is not a surprise, the ability to guess which teams are good is not as, as accurate as actually have the teams play each other. College sports has always been nutty in terms of the. The way they rank them at the beginning of the season or back in the day, they used to vote at the end of the year who was the best college football team. How wrong was that? So many times because Ohio State got just demolished by Miami. But the reason I bring this up is not because around the country you might not know this, but in California, nobody cares about college sports. For the most part. I was shocked by that because I, I was, I lived in the Midwest and then I was in the south, where college sports were every bit as big as pro sports, if not bigger, if not bigger.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. And then never ending conversations. If you were a dude and you're not up on college football, you're standing by yourself twiddling your thumbs at your local holiday gathering.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Or college basketball, depending on where you live. And then I got to California and people just don't care. Now, I was amazed by that. But so there I was in Louisiana, back in the south there for a couple of days, and they got the Sugar bowl going on where Georgia was playing Ole Miss. And the hotel I was staying in was the hotel for the Sugar Bowl. They had all the media there. So the media everywhere. The one floor was all media people, and then there's all the fans and like a lot of big giant guys that were, I assume, were players walking around. And so when Georgia played or the Ohio State game. So Georgia was really interested in Ohio State getting knocked off because they thought they could win the championship. It was like a game inside the hotel, down at the bottom where they had the big screen TV on and people just cheering like crazy and going nutso and everybody in jerseys and stuff. It's very exciting. But what I noticed about, and my son noticed it when we were walking around on New Year's Eve. Bourbon, Sea Sid. Why are there so many old guys here? There's as many people your age, guys yours age as there are young people. Everything like that. And it's that whole, like, legacy, our family, we're Ole Miss family. And that. Just like a lot of Southern college football dudes, who looked really wealthy wearing fancy watches all over the place that were really into their, their team, their, their George guys or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

They were absolutely correct. Yeah, it's, it's such a major part of the culture in the southeastern U.S. and, well, just south in general, because Texas is part of it too. Yes, it's absolutely true. And it's, it's kind of charming, different, interesting usually.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just how much it means to families to be we're an Ole Miss family or Georgia family or a Bama family or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You know what amused me about that little news anchorette's description of Miami and it's won two national championships in its storied history. I'm old enough to remember when they won those national championships. Their players were famous for not only not attending classes, they wouldn't know where the campus was. All they knew was the athletic facility and they were allowed to get away with rape and other felonies as long as they were within hundred miles of, of campus.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, here's a sports and their storied history. If you are a sports fan and don't follow college football, watch Indiana. That quarterback from Indiana is a special dude. He is a special dude. He's going to be something. Whether he's a pitch man or an NFL star or whatever, he is something else.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

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I wish I could buy stock in him.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we got the shooting to talk about. We've covered it from a couple of different angles. We're going to cover it from a couple of different angles coming up. Hope you can stay with us.

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Yeah, I hated a lot of the stuff a lot of people said yesterday, including Tim Walls, who I think is just a nut job. But he did call for calm, which I am happy about. I think it was kind of a selfish political thing, probably because he didn't want that sort of heat coming down on him again like happened during George Floyd when he was whipping it up. But he did call for calm. His angle on that was don't take the bait because then they'll send in federal troops and have a reason for it. They actually canceled school today and tomorrow there in Minneapolis.

[Joe Getty]

Tim Waltz either doesn't know what he's dealing with. Or, or he's a liar and he's such a dope. I suspect he just doesn't. So here's what we are actually looking at. And we spent a good chunk of hour one discussing the legality and illegality of the shooting of the woman by the ICE officer.

[Jack Armstrong]

I gotta throw in.

[Joe Getty]

And the morality and immorality.

[Jack Armstrong]

I gotta throw in this because I could just, I don't, I know how I would react to what I just said. He called for calm after declaring it was clearly a murder, by the way.

[Joe Getty]

I mean that.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's not calling for calm when you clearly, when you immediately say that was a murder.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, may I have my cake and consume it as well? Yeah. All right. So here's what's actually happening. And until you learn to recognize this, you, you are just completely misunderstood. You're, you're, you're seeing but you're not comprehending. First of all, a disclaimer. What we're seeing is the activities of hardcore Marxists who are pursuing specific strategies. The disclaimer is the hardcore Marxists are never honest about what they're doing and what their strategies are. And that helps them recruit well meaning, somewhat soft headed, generally emotional people, conspicuously, frequently female, not exclusively. And certainly there are many hard thinking, practical, good, conservative women in the world. Many of you are listening right now. And I don't mean to stereotype in any way, but there is absolutely undeniably a pull toward leftist. I care about the little people causes among women and the professional Marxists know this and they become very, very good at exploiting it. Okay? So I don't claim every, you know, over educated Columbia graduate out there shrieking in the snow is a hardcore Marxist. They're just being used. Here's what I'm talking about. And got a great note from DH in San Diego about this and he said that I, Joe, have been telling us this for years and I have. Marxists are trained to put you into predicaments you can't win. They're called decision dilemmas. It's straight out of Saul Alinsky's Rules for radicals. You for instance, get in someone's face, a cop's face, a citizen's face, and scream at them or put your finger within an inch of their eye till you provoke a self defense response. Then of course, you and all of your brethren are videotaping all of this all the time. And once you get that response that you are trying to provoke, you portray it as brutality fascism, police, you know, Malfeasance, whatever. And then you use that to spread your message that look at what we're dealing with. We're dealing with fascists. And what the woman was doing all day long was putting ICE in a decision dilemma, as we're about to hear. She was doing this all day long, the woman who ended up getting shot. Now that does not decide the question of whether the shooting was legally or morally justified. I'm putting that aside. I just want you to understand the framework of what was happening yesterday in Minneapolis.

[Jack Armstrong]

And so it's also that gets away from the portrayal of her. She's a 37 year old mom and a Honda pilot who was just trying to get out of the way.

[Joe Getty]

She was just an observer. No, she absolutely was not a quote unquote observer. That's, you know, that's a thing and she wasn't it. If we have time, we'll get to that. But here is a. And Michael, where is it? I just had it. Sorry. The clips keep getting rearranged. I understand why. Oh, there it is. Okay, so clip 58, Michael. This is a witness who is sympathetic toward the woman who was shot, politically speaking.

[Jack Armstrong]

They clearly wanted her out of there because she was the main car leading the, the protest, is my understanding. I talked to another guy who was driving behind her, but she was, she was very at, she was very successful in blocking traffic. She was doing what she was, what she was set out to do. And so they wanted to get her the hell out of there.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

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So it looked like she was impeding ICE vehicles.

[Jack Armstrong]

Definitely. Yeah, that was her goal.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And then we've got another clip somewhere where it makes it clear that she'd been leading this counter protester, this trying to interfere with ICE all day long in blocking traffic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So, you know, it has to be the decision dilemma thing because otherwise what would the goal be? You think you're just going to make it so annoying that federal agencies will decide, you know what, we won't enforce the law. It's too annoying with the way you're blocking traffic. How do you think that's gonna turn out?

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's. I think that gets us to where she was ideologically and psychologically. Play 42, Michael.

[Jack Armstrong]

Also last night, thousands of people showed up to a vigil for the woman shot and killed. She was identified by local leaders as 37 year old Renee Good. In social media accounts, she described herself as a police poet, writer, wife and.

[Joe Getty]

Mom and a crappy guitar player and the rest of it. And I've heard a couple of people. Yeah, she literally just, she described herself that way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Getty]

But it's, it's clear from hearing the people who knew her and everything, she was a well meaning, soft hearted poet who thought she was doing the right thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

God dang it.

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[Jack Armstrong]

You got kids at home. Your mom. Don't get involved in this at this level. You know, vote March if you can get a sitter, but don't, don't do this.

[Joe Getty]

You know what? And her wife, who ran to the car after the shooting, yelled, oh, my God, this is my fault. This is my fault. I made her come down here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, really?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Anyway, so I think what you have here is a soft head who was convinced that they were doing the right thing. They were following, whether wittingly or unwittingly, the Saul Alinsky playbook of creating a decision dilemma and getting so abusive toward and interfering with legitimate law enforcement that legitimate law enforcement was put into a place where they reacted. Whether that reaction was lawful or not is to be decided by the Justice Department. And that that decision will come. And we got into that fairly specifically in the, in the hour one of the show.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I'm not just trying to stay down the middle on this to like avoid saying anything strongly. I actually believe the mayor and the governor shouldn't have said what they said. And Nome, the DHS secretary and Trump shouldn't have said what they said, especially as soon as they said it. Trump said the deceased violently, willfully and viciously ran over the ICE officer. That's not.

[Joe Getty]

No, that's unknown. It's possible her attention was focused on the cop who was at her window and she didn't even see the guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's possible. No, there's no need and there's no need at that point in the day for him to say that that's not helpful in any way. And then for. I was watching ABC News to declare it clearly a murder, unjustified murder, the way they, the way they did on ABC News. I just, I don't get it. Anyway, stupid.

[Joe Getty]

It's obscenely stupid.

[Jack Armstrong]

From a friend of the show who's got friends who were in ICE and who has been in law enforcement at the federal level for many, many years, texted me late last night. It's not legal to run surveillance on fed agents if they're working, which is what she was doing all day long. Her and her bunch of her friends confirmed from a friend of mine that she had been doing so the entire day. She impeded the operation, which is also illegal. There was nothing Legal about her observation. The immediate next step is they need to dump her phone and identify all the co conspirators she is working with with the likelihood that, you know, she's involved in some sort of group that, you know, they were organizing the traffic to try to stop people from being able to do what they were doing.

[Joe Getty]

And again, there's an element of play stupid games, win stupid prizes going on here. They pushed it and pushed it and pushed it and pushed it and finally got the decision dilemma they were looking for. Now again, whether the result is justified or not, we'll have to decide. And I would caution my she got what she had coming brethren, the reason we got to be careful about this is you don't want to live in America where the authorities can shoot you down. Cuz you're a pain in the. Because I can picture it so easily, less easily now than before Trump got in office, but I can picture it so easily authorities forced to shoot fascists who interfere with serving of DEI warrants. You know, they come to take your house or your career or your kids away because you've resisted their DEI mandates and you stand up to them and get in their way and they shoot you dead. We've got to make sure we live in a country where that can't happen unless it is, according to the letter of the law, justified. That's, you know, that's my interest in this. If that's out of fashion or uncool or makes for bad podcasting.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right. I wonder what this would have been like pre cell phone era when everybody had their phones out. And so you could see it immediately from these different angles and you just have the words of people on the street or the cops. Not sure. Would have made a heck of a lot of difference because I mean, the videos are there and as we started the show with the Rorschach test, that is the two people look at the video and your priors somehow affect your brain because I think people are honestly feeling this, look, obviously he got hit by the car or clearly she didn't hit him and he murdered her.

[Joe Getty]

Look at the same video. He was brushed. She was driving away and there was no need to kill her. That's a commonly stated point of view.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

And actually that's going to be at the heart of the actual legal case.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. Well, the legal case obviously is important. I always tend to think about these things. Politically, it's definitely not good for the country. It's yet another dividing us, yet another. The other side is evil and you have to be very, very scared of them. We keep going further down that road. That is not good in any way. I was really disappointed in the media coverage. I was amazed how far they were willing to go so quickly to. This was an unjustified shooting.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. I praised Tony Decopolan in the new CBS News yesterday during the show. I watched it last night. He was terrible. He was terrible. Not as bad certainly as some of the other networks, but he was just very click baity and sensationalistic. I was disappointed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just quickly before we take a break and I want to talk about the Consumer Electronics show at some point.

[Joe Getty]

And I got one more angle I want to squeeze in, but go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

The first two videos I saw yesterday, I didn't have any idea what happened. I had no opinion really. I couldn't tell what was going on. It was the latter video I saw later in the day from a different angle where it looked clearly like she hit the guy.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, she did.

[Jack Armstrong]

I didn't know there was. I didn't even know there was a guy in front of her until later. I was focused like a lot of people on the guy at the window at the side of her vehicle. I didn't know there was somebody in front of her that. That changed everything. When I saw that there was somebody.

[Joe Getty]

That he was not contacted. You're wrong. You're wrong. Here's Jake Tapper with Ilhan Omar in clip number 60. Michael, very helpful.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ice has been carrying out states and state sanctioned violence in our communities. We have seen them terrorize so many of citizens in the 5th district and across Minnesota and that has tragically led to this murder that we all watched on, on tv.

[Joe Getty]

That's Ilhan Omar, whose first loyalty is toward Islam, secondly to Somalia and she hates America. Here's one of her brethren in clip number 11. Somali fellow.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's coming to America.

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[Jack Armstrong]

One day America will become a Muslim mistake. Our goal is to make America Islam real.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, Islamic State, US is going to become Muslim. Okay, super great.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't like the direction this stuff's going.

[Joe Getty]

No, it's, it's bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

And if our leaders are going to say the most inflammatory thing they can possibly say on both sides immediately, it doesn't help anything.

[Joe Getty]

It's a troubling sign.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, I would say, what's going on at the Consumer Electronics Show? A lot of AI stuff and other things. We got a couple of the more popular items that have shown up we can tell you about coming up, among other things.

Stay here Armstrong and Getty.

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Well?

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[Joe Getty]

Michigan man recently dropped an engagement ring through the grates of a bridge while proposing to his girlfriend.

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[Joe Getty]

Why would that be? I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's not going to marry him because he's the kind of guy that drops a ring in the river, he accidentally.

[Joe Getty]

Drops something, that she's a capricious and angry woman and he's better off without her.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I would say so, yeah. Did y' all see the video that I texted to the group text about the robot going a little crazy there?

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Consumer Electronic Show. That happens a lot with your various robots. They just start swinging their arms around and you can't control them or they.

[Joe Getty]

Get into a situation they're not programmed to deal with. Somebody's got to undo it for him. Yeah. Do you picture.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm going to mention a couple of things that they've got the Consumer Electronics show, which is going on in Las Vegas right now. Do you picture yourself, like, having some sort of robot helping you out with things in your lifetime?

[Joe Getty]

It's not out of the question.

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[Joe Getty]

I don't know. Unlikely, I guess.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if it could. If it could, like, do the laundry and take it out and fold it and everything like that, I would dig that.

[Joe Getty]

Well, see, we have a last mile problem because we have. I have a robot that does the laundry, and then I have a different robot that dries it, and I have a robot that washes my dishes for me. But it's that last mile getting it back into the cabinet problem. Or. You're right. You know, the right. You are right. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I also think there's probably some benefit to me to doing those kind of things, those kind of activities.

[Joe Getty]

That reminds me, they've. They've figured out something about AI in the workplace on that very, very level. People who are letting AI do the. They're losing their skills. Jack is stunned into silence.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I was just thinking about. For some reason, it just popped in my head. What is our goal here? To have more free time to scroll through our phone? Because that's what most people do anyway.

[Joe Getty]

Well, don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we're trying to free up more time. You don't have to mow the lawn anymore or skim your pool or do laundry. So now you can sit on the couch longer and scroll through your phone more.

[Joe Getty]

Again, I say don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's what most people are doing. I mean, statistically, it's just true.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, is that what we're freeing up time for? Why? How's that gonna make anybody's life better anyway? A couple of the things that they got at the Consumer Electronics show that looked kind of cool. They got a wireless robotic lawnmower. It's basically a Roomba with blades.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. What could go wrong Say goodbye to your feet, stay out of the way. Huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

Engineered for lawns up to 1,000 square meters. Okay, fine. It's got the LiDAR sensor, which is kind of what Tesla's into, and various stuff. So we'll see how that works. And if it worked really well again, free up more of your time so you can scroll your phone.

[Joe Getty]

It's a Liger.

[Jack Armstrong]

Another.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, you said lidar. Sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Different sort of cyber. More doing this sort of thing. Some sort of AI computer. Pool cleaner. I've already got a pool cleaner that goes around on its own. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

A Droid.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, this would be better somehow, I guess. I kind of like this one, though, that Michael printed out for me. These glance glasses that you wear all day long that adjust throughout the day perfectly for blocking blue light, allowing in enough light while you're at work, different for your computer, different when you're outside, different in the evening. It just adjusts through the day to make sure you're getting exactly the right kind of and healthiest kind of light.

[Joe Getty]

To help your circadian rhythms, probably so you can sleep and be alert. Right and right.

[Jack Armstrong]

A lot of industries seem to think that people are going to be willing to wear glasses all day long. Even people who don't need glasses. And I don't know if they are. I mean, I'll wear glasses anyway, but a lot of people don't. Do they want to wear glasses? I don't know. We got more stuff to talk about if you miss a segment.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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