I've Never Even Picked Up A Golf Club. It's Always Been Hookers.

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "I've Never Even Picked Up A Golf Club. It's Always Been Hookers."
Date: February 11, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of "Armstrong & Getty" pivots quickly from everyday practicalities (babysitting prices and inflation) into an energetic, candid, and at times irreverent discussion about sweeping legal cases, surveillance and privacy concerns, bizarre beaver antics, and the lingering mysteries around Jeffrey Epstein’s circle. The show features Armstrong and Getty's trademark blend of biting humor, skepticism of bureaucracy, and plainspoken analysis on both cultural and legal issues.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Soaring Cost of Babysitting and Inflation

• [00:27] Discussion opens with shock at the national average babysitting rate ($26/hr for one child; $30/hr for two), with San Francisco at the peak and San Antonio the lowest.
  • Getty: "I am not paying that much. And I've got some quality people."
  • Armstrong: “Inflation is a tax. Google it. Don’t Google it.”
• [01:13] Noted that local costs vary so much these national comparisons are “kind of silly.”

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2. Economic Freedom and The Right to Earn a Living

• [01:36] Armstrong introduces a legal case brought by Tim Sandifer (Goldwater Institute), arguing for full constitutional protection for the right to earn a living.
  • Quote (A): “This is really the culmination of Tim’s entire career. He’s been crusading for the right to earn a living in economic freedom his entire life.” ([04:12])
• [04:39] The US Supreme Court in the 1930s began prioritizing legislators and regulators over defending economic liberty, allowing interference with minimal justification.
• [06:14] Getty shares personal frustration over bureaucratic obstacles to running a horse-boarding business in California, underscoring regulatory overreach.
  • Getty: “There were so many hurdles in the county...don’t do this. You should not be. We don’t need people starting doing things like this on their own.”
• [07:57] The conversation turns to the arbitrary and, at times, punitive nature of local government regulations—“mall cop syndrome” limiting small business freedom.
• [09:19] Armstrong notes that the "pursuit of happiness" originally meant economic freedom, not mere cheerfulness or consumer satisfaction.

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3. Victories for Free Speech and Academic Rights

• [10:14] Armstrong highlights a major win for free speech: A professor forced to give a “land acknowledgment” at the University of Washington posts a parody version and is vindicated in the liberal 9th Circuit Court.
  • Quote (A): “You can’t force him to do that. That’s political speech. So, booyah, win for the good guys.” ([10:46])

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4. Surveillance Technology and Privacy

• [11:57] Discussion moves to an abduction case, where Google-owned video doorbells yield critical footage—even after users stop paying for subscriptions.
  • Getty: “If I cancel my subscription on my door cam, you’re still recording stuff...and storing it somewhere.” ([13:10])
  • Armstrong: “Those terms you didn’t read.” ([13:47])
  • Concerns mount about perpetual surveillance: “If you stop using whatever...you gotta destroy the laptop or unhook the camera...they’re still doing it, apparently.” ([16:34])
• [16:53] Armstrong predicts resignation to universal surveillance: “People are just going to throw up their hands and just assume they’re being surveilled at all times.”
• [17:09] Getty: “If they need to take you down, they have the information to do it. Yep.”

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5. Jeffrey Epstein Case Files & High-Profile Associations

• [17:24] The recent DOJ unredactions in the Epstein case reveal the name of former Chuck E. Cheese CEO, who resigned after mention in the files.
  • Still, hosts note: Many names in Epstein files are likely there for “business reasons, not necessarily wrongdoing.”
• [18:42] Detailed dissection of Howard Lutnick's (Commerce Secretary) shifting stories about visits to Epstein’s island—humor suggests incredulity at the odd denials and evasions.
  • Getty: “But nobody goes and visits somebody on an island...and says, I don’t really recall the circumstances.” ([19:22])
• [21:00] General disgust that so many powerful people refuse to candidly explain their relationships or visits to Epstein. Armstrong pokes holes in “regret” apologies.
  • Armstrong: “Tell me all the instances in your life, friends, where somebody has made ridiculous excuses or incredibly, you know, difficult to believe explanations...and at the end…it turns out it was perfectly innocent. That never happened. Right?” ([20:39])
• [26:46] Armstrong’s satirical confession: "I've never even picked up a golf club. It's been hookers. All been hookers every single. All these years and hundreds of rounds of... No, hookers."
• [29:01] Both hosts note the strange lack of anyone simply saying they enjoyed the perks without knowing the depths of Epstein’s crimes.

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6. Military Flyovers: Not a Waste of Money

• [31:31] Show pivots with a lighter note: Military jet flyovers at events like the Super Bowl are standard, scheduled training—not “extra" spending.
  • Explained as valuable, precise coordination exercises for pilots.
  • Armstrong: “These flyovers are a perfect opportunity to put that training to work...be precisely over the stadium at the end of the national anthem.” ([34:00])

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7. Miscellaneous: Beaver Antics, Social Commentary, & Autism Debate Preview

• [30:09] Getty recounts viral video of a beaver stealing a 2x4—a lighthearted moment amid heavy topics.
  • Armstrong: "...the flat tail of deceit."
• [31:12] Armstrong jokes about environmentalist reaction to beavers being forced to steal due to deforestation.
• [35:08] Armstrong previews discussion for hour three: a controversial Washington Post op-ed arguing the so-called autism surge is a myth, which is personal to him as a parent.

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Notable Quotes

Armstrong [04:12]: "This is really the culmination of Tim’s entire career. He’s been crusading for the right to earn a living in economic freedom his entire life."

Getty [06:14]: "...there were so many hurdles in the county...don't do this. You should not be. We don't need people starting doing things like this on their own."

Armstrong [10:46]: "You can't force him to do that. That's political speech. So, booyah, win for the good guys."

Getty [13:10]: "If I cancel my subscription on my door cam, you're still recording stuff...and storing it somewhere."

Armstrong [16:53]: "It's going to be so omnipresent a couple years, people are just going to throw up their hands and just assume they're being surveilled at all times."

Armstrong [26:46]: "I've never even picked up a golf club. It's been hookers. All been hookers every single. All these years and hundreds of rounds of... No, hookers."

Armstrong [20:39]: "Tell me all the instances in your life, friends, where somebody has made ridiculous excuses or...difficult to believe explanations... But then at the end...it turns out it was perfectly innocent. That never happened. Right?"

Armstrong [34:00]: "These flyovers are a perfect opportunity to put that training to work...be precisely over the stadium at the end of the national anthem."

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Timestamps – Important Segments

• Babysitting prices/inflation: [00:27-01:35]
• Right to earn a living/Tim Sandifer case: [01:36-09:19]
• Land acknowledgment/campus free speech: [10:14-11:33]
• Home surveillance & privacy concerns: [11:57-17:09]
• Epstein files & Lutnick’s “vacation” story: [17:24-29:39]
• Military flyovers explained: [31:12-34:50]
• Preliminary mention (upcoming) of autism debate: [35:08]

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Tone & Style

• Candid, satirical, at times biting—freely mixing humor with earnest legal, social, and cultural critique.
• Relatability, skepticism of officialdom and tech giants, and a clear streak of libertarian-leaning principle and plainspoken mistrust of regulatory overreach.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
This chapter of Armstrong & Getty is a jam-packed, fast-moving blend of real-world legal struggles, privacy paranoia, and Deadpan comedy—all delivered in their characteristic, slightly irreverent style. The hosts move fluidly from exposing regulatory injustices and privacy concerns to lampooning the evasions of powerful men in the Epstein scandal and, finally, to lighthearted moments like beavers behaving badly. The episode is a heady mix of sharp commentary, personal anecdote, and pointed satire.

Transcript

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed human.

[B]

Broadcasting. Live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[A]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[C]

What's a fair price to pay the babysitter these days? And now we do know that the going rate rose 5% in the last year to more than $26 an hour on average to hire a babysitter for one child. This according to Urban Sitter. And if you've got two kids, it's nearly $30 an hour. The most expensive city for babysitting, San Francisco. The cheapest, San Antonio.

[D]

I am not paying that much. And I've got some quality people. 26 who.

[A]

That's a lot. Yeah. This is squarely under the umbrella of any national figure is kind of silly.

[D]

True. But I also live in one of the more expensive parts of the world, so.

[A]

Right, right.

[D]

I don't know.

[A]

What it costs in San Francisco has got nothing to do with what it costs in Hog's Nipple, Tennessee, for instance.

[D]

Oh, true, Very true. But certainly in the twenties, pretty much everywhere, which was unthinkable not that many years ago. But inflation and whatnot, I don't know. Lots of prices were unthinkable not very many years ago. Don't know if you notice that.

[A]

Amen to that. Inflation is a tax. Google it. Don't Google it.

[D]

AI it.

[A]

Anyway, so there are a couple of big legal cases going on right now and a fair amount of good news, actually. You know, our system is so good, it is great. This is a great country with a great constitution that we're doing our best to trash. But, you know, our system of the separate branches of government and legal review of the law and that's. It works beautifully the vast majority of the time. Excuse me. In spite of what Chuck Schumer and the activist media would try to tell you about the out of control Trump court. Anyway, let's begin our legal analysis with this. And it pains me to my core to admit this, this is a clever move by America's sourest fruit, Don Lemon. You know how a bunch of federal prosecutors quit over the immigration crackdown and then the investigation into those two unfortunate shootings. Don Lemon has hired one of them for his legal team. Clever in a publicity slash legal stunt, but a clever one.

[D]

I heard. I think somebody from the National Review came up with this idea. If you hate Don Lemon, don't prosecute him. Ignore him. Because, I mean, he's. He's a nobody. And his career was Over. This is only going to elevate him if he ends up with a court case with his name attached to it and he gets to stand up and be all righteous in front of cameras during a court case. No, just ignore him. Let it go, whatever.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah. What a rotten human he is. Anyway, onto some good news. We'll kind of weave back and forth. Our friend Tim Sandifer at the Goldwater Institute has alerted us that they are involved now in what could be an historic case. They filed a brief in the Arizona Supreme Court urging the justices to extend full constitutional protection to the right to earn a living. Perhaps the most vital and neglected of our constitutional freedoms, writes Tim. The founders regarded it as absolutely critical. That is precisely what they meant by the pursuit of happiness.

[D]

Right? So there are a lot of people that talk about housing being a right, health care being a right, which I have a real problem with, both of those. But the right to earn a living.

[A]

Obviously, as I said to Tim, well, state the obvious. People don't have the right to earn a living, to go out and feed themselves. It's absurd. It's horrific. Who would believe that? And he said, other than most of the lawyers, I know nobody.

[D]

What are the examples of where people are being denied their right to earn a living? How's that play out?

[A]

There are a thousand examples. This sentence actually kind of explains it in reverse. Economic freedom, the right to start a business or get a job or buy and sell things to support yourself and your family were regarded as basic, legally protected rights almost two centuries before the Constitution was even written. And he gives all sorts of historical examples. This is really the culmination of Tim's entire career. He's been crusading for the right to earn a living in economic freedom his entire life.

[D]

Isn't he too young to come to the culmination of his career? Shouldn't you be, like, in your 60s?

[A]

Oh, no, no, because he's. Then he can do the victory lap and be a hero for a while anyway. So despite all of the examples he gives, and I wish we had time for the whole of it. You know what? We'll post a link to this [e-mail] so you can read it yourself under hot links. But he writes, in spite of all of the evidence he lays out and despite the fact that state and federal courts protected economic freedom throughout the 19th century, things changed when the US Supreme Court issued a series of rulings in 1930s declaring that economic liberty would no longer be given the same kind of protection than other constitutional rights receive. Instead, legislators and regulators could interfere with economic liberty virtually at will in ways that would never be allowed with respect to other kinds of liberty. And then he talks about this specific case that they're involved in. A fellow by the name of Greg Mills is an engineering consultant. He runs a consulting firm that helps design electronic circuitry. But the Arizona board of technical registration declared, declared that Greg falls within the state's licensing law for engineers, A law that was actually designed with architectural engineering in mind and therefore he cannot practice his trade without government permission. Getting a license would be an expensive and all and time consuming task and would make no sense because his business isn't the kind of thing the licensing law was written for. But they want to go beyond that and get the courts to concede the right to earn a living is a fundamental right under the state constitution. And then we would hope it goes federal.

[D]

So without telling the whole story, I've told many times. So we bought a farm that had a giant horse barn on it with the idea that we were going to board horses because a lot of people have horses and they just need someplace to keep them. And then you can charge people a couple hundred dollars a month and there's a bunch of stalls and thought that bigger. And there were so many hurdles in the county I lived in in California. I mean just hurdle after hurdle after hurdle. And clearly the idea was don't do this. You should not be. We don't need people starting doing things like this on their own. That's not good. I mean it attitude was amazing. So in, in Tim's world, you'd be able to sue if you just. You've made it too difficult for me to try to earn money here. You've put up too many barriers.

[A]

A. A simple exchange of a good and. Or a service and a fee, whatever that the government has no interest in whatsoever. Yeah, exactly. It all flows from the new deal, right? It's a not a shock that California ranks always 50th.

[D]

No, but that sort of thing is so Maddie. And it happens all the time where you've got something that somebody else wants, the two of you are willing make exchange.

[A]

They're.

[D]

They're happy with the deal, you're happy with the deal. But the county or the city or the. Whoever gets in the way of it says no, no, no, no. You two citizens of this country, tax paying, law abiding citizens are not allowed to make this exchange of goods and time or space or whatever for money. We're not going to let you And I. Which is outrageous.

[A]

Even if they had some sort of weak argument about protecting people in general or whatever, that's not good enough to interfere with a basic constitutional right. But in your case, they didn't even make that argument.

[D]

No, it was all kinds of. There's all kinds of stuff needed to retrofit the barn for earthquake. There's no earthquakes where I live. Handicap stalls. I mean, there's just. There were endless.

[A]

For handicapped horses.

[D]

I don't know. I don't know. But anyway, there are endless reasons you could just. Couldn't do it.

[A]

Right, right. I'm tempted not to move on to the other cases I was going to mention because this is such a big one. It's troubling to me that because of the last gosh dang it. Going on 100 years of progressive jurisprudence, people have to be reintroduced to the idea that economic freedom is a basic constitutional freedom.

[D]

I'll never forget. You know, I don't think I was just reading this in. I'll never forget the glee the person at the county seemed to have whenever they could hit me with an impediment to what we wanted to do, they seemed to get enjoyment.

[A]

Mall cop syndrome.

[D]

Yeah, I guess they seem to get enjoyment of being able to stop you from doing that. I guess because they have the power. No, no, no. Here's why you can't do this. Okay. Have a good day.

[A]

I am above you. I can control you. I will tell you what you can and cannot do.

[D]

Boy, it was really off putting.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. No, I was thinking back to my school days. I can't swear because my memory is not that good that I wasn't taught this because I had a couple of outstanding high school history teachers. They're among the best teachers I had up until college. Explaining what the phrase the pursuit of happiness means because I think a lot of us have. Kind of. Speaking for my generation, the 20th century view of that means the right to pursue being cheerful and having a great life and maybe going to a ball.

[D]

Game, a boat, cool car and getting some. That's pursuit of happiness.

[A]

Yeah. No, that was specifically about economic freedom. Anyway, way to go Goldwater foundation and other places like you fighting for our rights. I want to get to a. Must a teacher use pronouns Case. Also one of the worst judges in America. But, Jack, this will gratify you. Big win for a college professor who said, you can't make me do one of those stupid land acknowledgments. In fact, this guy, he was ordered to, and he did one that was a parody. And he got in so much trouble, they launched an investigation to end his career. But of all circuit courts, the 9th liberal, the progressive 9th Circuit, said, no, you can't force him to do that. That's political speech. So, booyah, win for the good guys. Wow.

[D]

I'm glad for that. Very glad for that. I don't know how many people out there are willing to stick their head up and be a pariah by refusing to do it if their college tells them to do it.

[A]

This guy, actually, he cited one of the economic theories of land use and ownership. I won't bore you with the details, but his land acknowledgement was. Was it the Snohomish Indians, or we'll say the Cree, just because the tribe pops to mind. His land acknowledgment said, according to Locke's blah, blah, blah rule of land ownership, the Cree owned virtually no land that the University of Washington is on, practically none. That was his land acknowledgment, and, boy, did he get hammered for it.

[D]

That's fantastic.

[A]

Yeah, love it. We'll tell you more about that later in the show.

[D]

We can very quickly give you the latest in the Nancy Guthrie case. Looked like things were happening last night, but no, a person of interest has been let go. Probably not the dude. And are they back to square one? Kind of close, maybe. Anyway, lots more on the way. Stay here.

[B]

Armstrong and Getty.

[E]

This does not strike me as a targeted abduction, and here's why. In a targeted abduction, where you know your. Your person that you're going after, you know the location, you've done some reconnaissance on it. It's about getting in there, acquiring your target. Like with Maduro, we got in and got Maduro faster than this person spent, you know, on the ground there. So. But this video is going to give us everything we need to know. Height, weight, gait. We're going to have a pretty good description. And if the AI and some of the technology can pull back the layers of the ski mask, we might even get somewhat of a semblance of a facial structure.

[D]

AI is going to be able to take the ski mask off. That's interesting.

[A]

Basic facial structure, I guess.

[D]

So. The biggest thing to me is it went from these are probably pros, maybe cartel, to it's a doofus. Maybe a couple doofuses do fi. But it's a doofus. I mean, for all kinds of reasons. If you watch the video, it might be a doofus who murdered an old lady, but it's not some professional organization. But so Lots of people were having a question about. So it's a camera. That's one of the companies that Google runs that she had and she stopped paying her subscriptions.

[A]

So she.

[D]

There. There wasn't immediate access to this information. So now, like I said earlier, MSNBC was going on lesson. How's a three and a half trillion dollar company take 10 days to get us this information? And then I heard other experts saying it's amazing they were able to grab this out of their. And I don't have any. I know nothing about this. Zero about this. But if I cancel my subscription on my door cam, you're still recording stuff outside my door and storing it somewhere that. That somebody just texted that. That's an interesting. That's an interesting thing to know. So I canceled my subscription.

[A]

Those terms you didn't read.

[D]

I canceled my subscription. But you're still recording stuff and hanging on to it.

[A]

Correct.

[D]

I'll be damned.

[A]

Audio and visual.

[D]

Right. So you're listening to every conversation we have, you know, anywhere near our front door or wherever else you got cameras, even though I've canceled it.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

That's a heck of a thing to know.

[A]

That is worth noting. Yes. Yeah, I remember. I think it was Nest, Google's Nest, which these cameras are. Somebody recommended a Nest thermostat or something. I'm like, okay, fine, it's programmable. You can change it when you're out of the house or whatever. I'm like, oh, okay, cool. And then I started to read into what it was and the rights that this thing had to surveil us. My thermostat. And we're like, no, no, that ain't happening. I ripped it off the wall. So far. If.

[D]

If these companies can watch you and listen to you, we find out they are.

[A]

Yes. Over. Spite of their denials.

[D]

Over and over and over again, whether it's Apple, Google, Tesla, whoever. Oh, yeah. But nobody has access to it. I don't care. First of all, I don't believe you. But secondly, I don't care. Yeah, you've recorded all this stuff and you're keeping it somewhere.

[A]

Why?

[D]

Because you just have so much computer space and it's so cheap for you, you just might as well record everything and keep everything. There must be some reason you keep it, right? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Knowledge is power. I think it may be as simple as that. Although I'm sure Zuckerberg and Sundar Pichai could tell you exactly why it's power and how it's turned into money. But, yeah, it's Absolutely true.

[D]

Probably, you know, they got AI listening for product names and all kinds of different stuff to, you know, build profiles of their customers and everybody. We got a text the other day. This is a classic and we all wonder this all the time, but is somebody who texted that their. Their mom had died and they never. And they had been having conversations with people about the funeral and they started getting casket ads on their various feeds and they're like, I've had. I've not searched. I haven't done anything online. It just happened. I just found out. I've only taught some.

[A]

Lovely coincidence. We don't listen to your conversations.

[D]

Well, we know this.

[A]

Your.

[D]

Your ring camera, even though you don't even pay for the subscription anymore, apparently is listening to you and watching you and storing it.

[A]

That's wild. Control your soul's desire for freedom. Yeah. Word to the wise.

[D]

That's a heck of a thing.

[A]

Yeah. Surveilled everywhere we go.

[D]

I'm gonna remember that. So if you stop using whatever program or subscription or whatever, you gotta destroy the laptop or unhook the camera or, you know, cover the microphone or whatever, because they're still doing it, apparently.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

Mommy damned.

[A]

I hate all of that stuff.

[D]

It's going to be so omnipresent. It's already omnipresent, but it's going to be so omnipresent a couple years, people are just going to throw up their hands and just assume they're being surveilled at all times. That's the way young people are. I know that.

[A]

Right. Yep.

[D]

They're listening and watching everywhere I go, and I know that. And they're just have resigned themselves to that.

[A]

And if they need to take you down, they have the information to do it. Yep.

[D]

Somebody.

[A]

Good morning.

[D]

We got more on the way. If you missed a segment of the podcast, Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

[B]

Armstrong and Getty.

[F]

Doj, which is under pressure from lawmakers, has now been unredacting some of the names they redacted of prominent men. One of the names that was not redacted was kind of interesting. It was David McKillips, who is, or I should say was, the CEO of Chuck E. Cheese. He resigned after his name appeared in the files once and in a seemingly innocuous way. I don't. I mean, from a business standpoint, if you think about it, name a company that would be less excited about their CEO being mentioned in the panel. I mean, would it be A, Home Depot, B, Wells Fargo, C, Sam's Club, or D, Chuck E. Cheese the answer clearly. D. So that is a. That's a real punch in the ball pit for him.

[D]

Man. That's interesting. I have to look into that because, I mean, Kimmel suggested that it's just like, tangentially. It's not a, you know, him talking about having sex with underage girls. It's just like a lot of the names in the Epstein files are just there for business reasons.

[A]

Right, Right.

[D]

But he resigned as CEO.

[A]

Wow. That seems odd to me.

[D]

It does me too. We'll have to get to the Howard Lutnick. The testimony from yesterday, though, where he talks about going to the island with his wife and kids and nanny right after having. I'll never speak to that man again. Then you.

[A]

You go to his island for a family vacay. I'm telling you, you know, the guy's a perv. You know, he's a woman hound. You've heard the rumors about the underage thing. But he can offer you such incredible luxury. You think? Yeah, what the hell, let's go. Wow.

[D]

And Ludnig even said, I don't recall why we went.

[A]

Who hang out.

[D]

Well, but who visits an island and doesn't.

[A]

I don't recall why we went to Hawaii, Judy. And I don't. It's foggy in my memory.

[D]

Well, then.

[A]

Odd thing to say.

[D]

Well, then you'd say it was a vacation, right? I mean, but nobody goes and visits somebody on an island who owns an island, I mean, has this just like once in a lifetime who does this experience and says, I don't really recall the circumstances around that. I don't know, just kind of happened.

[A]

Why don't you try harder, Katie?

[D]

Oh, I took my wife and kids to his island.

[A]

But he's gross.

[D]

He didn't say that he's gross. And he mentioned several times, is my wife, kids and nannies plural. More than one. I guess if you're super rich, you have a nanny per kid or something like that, but. And we all were together the whole time, and then we left all together. So it wasn't like I went there to. Okay. I don't recall why we were there.

[A]

Yeah. What's going on? I don't know. I really don't know.

[D]

Gross.

[A]

I think now is the time you go ahead and just say if your involvement with the dude was innocent. Just go ahead and talk about it.

[D]

Come out first. Yeah, that'd be a good idea. I'd like to say I had dealings with Mr. Epstein. You know, I bought an apartment complex from him in 2015. And I met him twice, is mostly dealing with his lawyers, et cetera, et cetera.

[A]

Yeah, tell me all the instances in your life, friends, where somebody has made ridiculous excuses or incredibly, you know, difficult to believe explanations for something over and over again and they keep changing it. But then at the end it's. It turns out it was perfectly innocent. That never happened. Right?

[D]

Man, when Lutnick had out there for a week or so. Well, he did that podcast just the other day and he said he told that whole story about me and my wife going there and the massage table and I can get you the right kind of massage. Right. And I told my wife as we walked out the door, I'm never going to be in the same room with that guy again. Well, if, if you know that you then went to the island and hung out for a couple of days, you.

[A]

Can'T tell that story with the whole fam damly. What's going on there? I don't know.

[D]

And it doesn't sound untoward. If you were there with your wife, kids and nannies, it probably wasn't a sex party. But then why did you cover that up, which you did.

[A]

I, you know, I realize this may be grist for the, the conspiracy mill, but I ask again, a little different than I asked the other day, why has nobody come out and said, he told me that the bust in Florida, he was absolutely certain she was of age, he feels terrible about it, blah, blah, blah. And so I took him at his word. And because he's a successful financier, I figured, all right, well, I'll stay in touch with him. It turns out he was a perv. I wish I hadn't. Blah, blah. Nobody has, nobody has explained in anything close to a reasonable way why they stayed in touch with the guy.

[D]

No, they have not.

[A]

I think all of those files that have come out showed why. Because he could offer them, well, a. Because he could offer them incredible luxury and pleasure, even of non sex with young girls.

[D]

But why don't people say that? Like, to your point, why don't people say that? Why don't they say, man, I knew like a guy that could give you the greatest vacation ever. It was amazing, right? Nobody says that he had so much.

[A]

Money he would just fly you to this island and it was like the best Hawaiian vacation you've ever had, but there was nobody else there. It was incredible. Yeah. I don't know. The other thing that's intriguing to me is that what became clear. And I can't remember who came up with this. It's not my own wisdom, but that Epstein and people like him build this incredible network of mutual. I owe you. You owe me. I did something great for you. You do something for me with all sorts of rich and powerful and famous people. And that was his incredible skill. He would fly you to the island, give you the vacation of your life. And then if he needed a letter written for his client to get his client's kid into Harvard, he would say, hey, would you mind taking a minute to write that letter? And he connected people like that in a masterful way. He also had a taste for really, really young women and girls. I don't know. I find it all gross. But at this point, why don't you just state that? I didn't think he was a perv. I knew he was a tailhound, but, you know, he did so many nice things for me, I thought, this is a pretty good guy. I was wrong. I apologize. I don't know.

[D]

And you're right. There's not a. Not that I've heard a single person saying that.

[A]

You know, why don't we just go ahead with the Lutnick audio? How much is there? I don't remember. Six. Yeah, let's. Let's hear him.

[F]

I looked through the millions of documents for my name, just like everybody else. And what I found was there was a document that says that I had.

[A]

A meeting with him.

[D]

No, everyone isn't worried about their names being in the Epstein files.

[C]

This is.

[D]

Lutnick is the Commerce Secretary, if we haven't mentioned that already, whatever that is.

[A]

Go ahead. This is from a podcast last year. 63.

[F]

I was never in the room with him socially for business or even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going to.

[D]

Because he's gross, Right? And then he testifies yesterday that he and his wife and kids and nannies went to the island. Why would you say that other stuff if you knew that was out there and somebody is sure to figure that out.

[A]

Maybe they're just not as good at lying as they think they are. Or think you can still, because just being linked with Epstein in any way is such poison. You just gotta completely deny it, and then nobody will ever figure it out. No. Millions of pages of documents are out. People will figure it out, get ahead of it, say, hey, my name is in the files. I didn't know the guy was a perv. Turns out he was. What a sicko. I'm glad he's dead, by the way.

[D]

And I have no reason to think that Howard Lutnick was having sex with underage girls at all. And I'm not suggesting he did. But it doesn't completely clear you that you went to the. Went on a vacation with your wife, kids and nanny. You're going to tell me there wasn't a couple hours one afternoon where you told your wife.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Epstein and I are going to talk about that whole, you know, golf course that we're developing. So I'll be back at three. And you disappeared for a little while and that could have been when you did. The reason that. That's the whole reason you came for a couple hours of enjoyment, Epstein style. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's not impossible. Just because you went there with your wife and doesn't mean that you were never right.

[A]

It's a good point. Sure. Everybody needs a little me time.

[D]

Well, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Husband, wife. I mean, I'm going to go shopping in town for a while.

[A]

Cool.

[D]

You know, we. We'll spend a little time apart and. Nothing wrong with that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

I don't know. It is. It's for really.

[A]

I feel terrible. I have a confession to make, honey. I've never even picked up a golf club. It's been hookers. All been hookers every single. All these years and hundreds of rounds of. Thousands of rounds of. Nope. Hookers.

[D]

Cause he's gross. But you can't come out and talk about. You would never be in the room with him. He's gross. And then somewhere in the files it is. Oh, except for that vacation where I spent several days with the guy with my entire family. With my entire family. I put my kids around him. That's how gross he is. That's how untoward I think his lifestyle is. I had my wife and kids around him.

[F]

Eh.

[D]

What? Wonder if it's what you said that they don't believe that he did the stuff that he got accused of, but they haven't said it out loud.

[A]

Everybody knew he was an enormous tail hound, if you will. Well, right.

[D]

There's a thing that came out yesterday, a, A piece in there of Trump apparently telling. And Trump, I think it's denying this, but it was in one of the documents that Trump told local law enforcement when they finally came to bust Epstein. Trump told law enforcement. Finally. I'm glad. I'm glad this is happening because everybody knows what's going on there and it's awful and it needs to stop something like that. Which sounds believable.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

Since he got convicted, although with a very cushy Penalty for what the crime was.

[A]

Right. An incredibly soft deal. Yeah. I don't know. I have no idea. I.

[D]

There is mystery there.

[A]

It was a long time ago. Yeah.

[D]

There is mystery there, though. The why people aren't, you know, being more forthcoming if there's nothing there. Nobody's exactly sure where the wealth came from, all that sort of stuff. Any who. He's gross. I. I will never be in a room with him ever again, by the way. And John Stewart was making a big deal out of this last week on the Daily Show. Link lived six feet away from Epstein. Their houses were six feet apart.

[F]

Wow.

[D]

Like they were next door neighbors.

[A]

Interesting. Yeah. Oh, my final note on this is. It's funny the number of people who've said, I regret that I was friends with him. No, no, quite literally, you're feeling the negative repercussions for being friends with him. So of course you regret it. That's what regret is. You need to say more than that, you know, Honey, I regret that I had that affair. Well, yes, because there's a divorce lawyer standing on my chest and my kids hate me and all. No, you've got to say more than you regret it. Of course you regret it.

[D]

That's a.

[A]

That's a weak acknowledgment of having made a mistake to me.

[D]

So there's a controversial opinion piece in the Washington Post today that we'll get to maybe an hour three. The surge in autism in America is a myth, according to this doctor, which is going to be very controversial. And we'll get into that in hour three, among other things on the way. Stay here.

[B]

Armstrong and Getty.

[D]

Look, this beaver is stealing a two by.

[A]

Get out of there.

[D]

What was that? That was a guy laughing at the fact that a beaver stole a 2x4 out of the back of a truck. And apparently when the owner of the 2x4 saw the Beaver attempting to steal the 2x4, it yelled, hey, hey, get out of there. At the beaver. As if it speaks English.

[A]

Then bring that back. As if it both speaks English and is prone to obey commands.

[D]

Well. And appealed to its conscience.

[A]

Right. Planet of the Beavers. I warned you. I warned you.

[D]

Appealed to its morality.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Where were you on the evening of February 6th? What we see here, gentlemen of the jury, is the flat tail of deceit. Apparently that was in Branson.

[A]

Dishonesty.

[D]

Apparently that was in Branson, Missouri. I hear you.

[A]

That's a very Branson sort of story.

[D]

I've been to Branson.

[A]

That's a very Branch works.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Exactly. Now, the progressive view of it would be we've so decimated our nation's forests that beavers are forced to steal two by fours out of pickup trucks.

[D]

Okay, so this is dipping ice.

[A]

Right. And the Palestinians. Right. Yay. Queers for beavers in Palestine. So more on that sort of thing next hour. But this is simply interesting. It's apropos of very little, but I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I love when they have the flyovers at football games.

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

The fighter jets or bombers or whatever go over and then everybody cheers and the fireworks and the American flag, blah, blah, blah. I found this very, very interesting. Sent along by alert listener and honorary producer Jeff. These flyovers don't quote cost extra for the military. Costs are already baked into the flying hour program. The jets must fly football or not. And flyovers look a lot like normal training crews do. Low level routes routinely with simulated enemy defenses that must be avoided. And they like designate this 711 to be a surface to air missile site.

[D]

Well, were people complaining about this being a waste of money?

[A]

I think somebody asked the question.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

And a target. So the regular training runs, you do low level routes with simulated enemy defenses that must be avoided and a target that must be hit at a precise time. The time on target published low level routes are usually located around bases and depicted on charts. Some feature is used as a target, maybe an abandoned factory or a distant bridge. Today the target happens to be the Super Bowl. This was obviously written Super Bowl Time timing is critical. The route is carefully planned. Special charts are prepared showing entry point, ingress, target and egress. There may be a bunch of turns or straight. Either way, multiple points along the ground are used as references. Say a bridge over a creek. On the chart, each point is annotated with a doghouse, which is the nickname for a rectangle divided into sections. At the top is a triangle pointing in the direction of the flight. Vital information is entered into the doghouse, like compass heading to fly, how much fuel you should have, and most importantly, the time you should pass it. If you're off timing at all, it's a chance to change speed and get back on time. Because like in battle, they take off separately and then assemble in the air in their attack formation. And so these flyovers are a perfect opportunity to put that training to work because they have to come together and be precisely over the stadium at the end of the national anthem.

[D]

Yeah, I was never worried about the cost because obviously they got to practice flying these things around. They do it all the time. I live near an air force base and we see all kinds of amazing aircraft flying around all the time. But yeah, the timing thing of is, is makes sense. You know, you got to hit this target in Iran at exactly this moment because we got another thing happening over here is exactly the same as right when the national anthem ends, right?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And you've got to assemble, you know, multiple bombers, say, and some fighter escorts and a refueling plane. It's not like they get to the rendezvous point and are looking at their watches. Where's freaking Jim with the refueling plane? He said he'd be a little late. So they just circle around in the air for 10 minutes. Wait, of course, traffic. You should have checked the traffic before you left the airfield gym. Anyway, no, that's not the way it works. Everybody gets where they're supposed to be exactly at the right time. So I just thought that was interesting.

[D]

Little ordinance for bad bunny. That's what I say.

[A]

Oh boy. That's belligerent right there. That's your neocon or something.

[D]

Is there no explosion autism in this country? It's just over diagnosed. That's the opinion piece in the Washington Post today. We can get into that a little bit.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. Willing to, to take on that argument and to look at some of the most recent research into autism, which as the dad of an autistic kid is fascinating to me and right on.

[D]

So we'll get to that in hour three. If you missed a segment or an hour. Armstrong and Getty on demand. That's our podcast.

[B]

Armstrong and Getty.

[A]

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