Jungle Style

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Jungle Style

Date: September 18, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Key Guests: Jim Tankersley (New York Times Berlin Bureau Chief), Dr. Jeff McCausland (CBS News Military Consultant)

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Overview

This episode dives into current transatlantic politics, security, and media controversy. Highlights include a deep discussion with NYT’s Jim Tankersley about shifting European attitudes on defense and fiscal policy, an expert view on the Israel-Gaza and Russia-Ukraine situations with Dr. Jeff McCausland, and a heated debate over Jimmy Kimmel’s firing, FCC overreach, and freedom of speech in broadcasting. Lighthearted moments involve musings on chimpanzees drinking alcohol, drive-thru drama, and “jungle style” at In-N-Out.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

European Defense, Russia-Ukraine, and Transatlantic Uncertainty

[03:55–11:56; 27:24–38:35]

• Trump and Starmer Press Conference (Russia/Ukraine):

  • President Trump, with UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer, addresses the Russia-Ukraine conflict but offers no new solutions—Europe is wary of U.S. intentions.
  • “He keeps expressing varying degrees of annoyance with Vladimir Putin for not coming to the table and brokering a deal. But he's also not, we didn't hear him say any new big things that he's going to do to put the pressure on.” — Jim Tankersley [04:28]

• European Self-Reliance:

  • Shift in Europe led by Poland’s Tusk, questioning U.S. defense necessity: “Why do we, the 500 million, need the 340 million of the United States to protect us against 160 million?” — Quoting Tusk [05:12]
  • Tankersley notes a real change: Germany and others ramping up military spending due to fear of Russian aggression, not only to defend Ukraine but also in case the U.S. wavers.
  • “German leaders ... are constantly worried that Putin would not stop at Ukraine, that he might go to ... Lithuania or ... Poland ... and that they need to be ready on their own, you know, with or without help from the Americans.” — Tankersley [06:27]

• Fiscal Woes and Military Burden:

  • UK and broader Western world running into “fiscal space” issues—spending outpaces revenue, making promises unsustainable.
  • Pressure to increase military spending comes amidst economic strain.
  • “That's what economists call fiscal space. ... Great Britain does have a coming fiscal space problem. France does. ... The situations have worsened in all of those countries.” — Tankersley [08:33]

• Immigration Trends:

  • Despite heated debate, immigrant flows to Western Europe have dramatically fallen—political credit is lagging public perception.
  • “It’s sort of this weird thing that people don’t realize … that flow of immigrants has gone down.” — Tankersley [09:58]

• Living in Germany/Oktoberfest:

  • Tankersley describes his “cool” assignment in Berlin—reporting, family life, and a tongue-in-cheek mission to Oktoberfest “for journalism”.
  • “Every once in a while you can go like I’m going to do on, on Saturday and, and watch them tap the first keg. For journalism.” — Tankersley [11:44]

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Jimmy Kimmel Firing, The FCC, and Free Speech

[16:27–26:18]

• FCC Threats and Kimmel’s Removal:

  • Jack Armstrong reads FCC chairman Brendan Carr’s remarks perceived as a threat: networks risk fines or loss of license if they air content like Kimmel’s.
    • “That's clearly a threat. And it's unacceptable. …We don't win by canceling the right for people to be wrong. That's ridiculous.” — Joe Getty [17:15]
  • Kimmel was removed after controversial comments linked to the controversial shooting of Charlie Kirk.
  • Armstrong and Getty lambast both FCC overreach and Kimmel’s smug tone, attributing his removal to a mix of political heat, poor ratings, and affiliate rejection.

• Media Double Standards:

  • Reference to how “Politically Incorrect” was pulled post-9/11 for much less—distinguishing business decisions from government pressure.
  • “Grocery stores don’t have to stock foods that people find repugnant. And TV affiliates don’t have to run shows they find repugnant.” — Joe Getty [21:20]

• Skepticism Over Comeback:

  • Reports suggest Disney might bring Kimmel back if he apologizes, but the hosts doubt his popularity is enough to warrant it.

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Israel-Gaza, Urban Warfare, and Prospects for Peace

[27:24–38:35]

• Israel’s Military Objective in Gaza:

  • Discussion with Dr. Jeff McCausland, who is skeptical about Israel’s goal to “destroy Hamas”—noting Hamas is an ideology, urban warfare is grueling, and civilian casualties accelerate recruitment for opponents.
    • “I’ve never been, frankly, optimistic about them destroying Hamas in the fullest sense because Hamas is an ideology.” — Dr. McCausland [31:53]
  • The Israeli offensive described as massive, deliberate, and highly destructive due to avoidance of own casualties.

• Ukraine War, German Angst, and U.S. Leadership:

  • McCausland echoes Tankersley: European anxiety is real; Germans are haunted by history and concerned about Russian expansion.
    • “You continue to push until you have force coming in the opposite direction. … Germans, … Poles or the Balt[s], … have real concerns about the Russians.” — McCausland [33:27]
  • Notes U.S. under Trump is ending military aid, shifting burden on Europe—raising questions about American leadership and reliability.

• Can Ukraine Win?

  • White House divided: one camp wants to escalate aid to Ukraine, another seeks to exit.
  • “Winning would be, to me, an end of the conflict. … Ukraine would have to have some assurances this is not going to happen again, ... like the European Union, maybe not NATO.” — McCausland [37:12]

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Jungle Style: Chimps, Cheeseburgers, and Public Freakouts

[42:30–47:44]

• Chimpanzees Get Drunk (For Real):

  • Amusing riff on recent research: wild chimps ingest the alcohol equivalent of several drinks each day via overripe fruit.
    • “Animals that fling their poop and masturbate in public might be drunk?” — Jack Armstrong [42:48]

• In-N-Out, “Jungle Style,” and Drive-Thru Drama:

  • Light banter about In-N-Out’s “animal style” secret menu (confused as “jungle style”), tricks for getting fries well-done, and insider stories of customers being punished for cutting in line.
    • “When it was my turn to order, I placed my order, and then I was like, by the way, like, that silver Toyota cut everybody in line… They put like a home run note … they’re just gonna take way longer to make his order.” — Caller [44:25]
  • Host Joe Getty jokes about fights in drive-thrus on YouTube and “Public Freakout” videos.

• Societal Decorum and Minor Annoyances:

  • Jack reflects on not sweating small stuff—waiting a couple of extra minutes in line vs. fighting, and how these “freakouts” are an amusing but cautionary spectacle.

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Late-Night TV’s Shrinking Relevance

[47:44–48:34]

• Ratings for Kimmel, Colbert, and Fallon are all shadows of their former selves—hosts argue society pays too much attention to shows that now barely register in audience size.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with timestamps)

• European attitude on defense:

  • “German leaders … are constantly worried that Putin would not stop at Ukraine, that he might go to … Lithuania or … Poland … and that they need to be ready on their own, you know, with or without help from the Americans.” — Jim Tankersley [06:27]

• FCC & Kimmel:

  • “That's clearly a threat. And it's unacceptable. …We don't win by canceling the right for people to be wrong.” — Joe Getty [17:15]
  • “Kimmel was taken off … because he was such a jerk about it and so smug in his ignorance that the local affiliates … said, ‘We don’t want this guy.’ But that’s a completely different issue than the government moving in.” — Joe Getty [20:28]

• Urban warfare in Gaza:

  • “Each building, small, large, didn’t matter, had to have two enormous X’s on it before they moved on. What those two X’s mean: that entire building, closet, basement… had to be searched at least twice.” — Dr. McCausland [29:29]

• Media and double standards:

  • “If you want to discredit Jimmy Kimmel, he is your best ally in doing that because he’s such a jackass.” — Joe Getty [21:35]

• Society, public freakouts:

  • “I spent about an hour and a half watching Public Freakouts … it’s a great reminder to not do that because there’s a camera everywhere.” — LG XBoom Advertiser/Caller [46:55]

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Structure & Flow

The episode smoothly transitions from geopolitics (with expert guests providing depth on European defense and crisis regions) to U.S. media controversies and then to lighter social commentary. The tone is conversational, sometimes sardonic, but also earnest and accessible—true to Armstrong & Getty’s blend of irreverence and news analysis.

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Suggested Listen for Key Topics

• European defense and U.S. leadership: [03:55–11:56]
• Gaza urban warfare and Russia-Ukraine: [27:24–38:35]
• Kimmel, FCC, free speech: [16:27–26:18]
• Drive-thru drama and public freakouts: [42:30–47:44]
• Late-night TV’s fade: [47:44–48:34]

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Perfect for listeners seeking a witty, unvarnished take on global and American issues, media freedom, and, yes, why chimps might be drunk in the wild.

Transcript

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[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now he.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

That.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'Ve solved seven wars.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Seven wars.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wars that were unsolvable. Wars that couldn't be negotiated or done.

[Joe Getty]

We've done.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

The US has done seven of them.

[Jack Armstrong]

The one that I thought would be easiest would be because of my relationship with President Putin. But he's let me down.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

He's really let me down.

[Jack Armstrong]

Was going to be Russia and Ukraine.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

But we'll see how that turns out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. What's the next step on that? I'd love to know. That's Donald Trump. He is standing right next to Carr Starmer. Starmer, the prime Minister of Great Britain right now. And they're doing a press conference as Trump is over in England. And we thought we would talk to Jim Tankersley. And welcome back to the Armstrong and Getty Show. He knows a lot about what's going on with European politics. He's the Berlin bureau chief for the New York Times. Jim Tankersley, welcome back. How are you?

[Joe Getty]

Hey, my pleasure to be back.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

I'm doing great.

[Jack Armstrong]

Any news out of Great Britney you think is worth talking about to start off with?

[Joe Getty]

I mean, I think what we just heard the president talking about is what he's been saying for a while. He really did think that this conflict was going to be a lot easier to broker a peace deal on. He keeps expressing varying degrees of annoyance with Vladimir Putin for not coming to the table and brokering a deal. But he's also not, we didn't hear him say any new big things that he's going to do to put the pressure on. So I think what we're hearing from President Trump is what a lot of of Europe has been kind of hearing and a little bit wary about for weeks and months now, which is kind of just like the status quo. We're just kind of hoping this is going to get better and we're not sure how it's going to happen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, well, that's really interesting. I want to ask you this. One of my favorite statements of the last couple of months is that guy from Poland, Tusk, who said, why do we need, why do we the 500 million need the 340 million of the United States to protect us against 160 million. I loved that. Just as a point of view of why don't we take care of this ourselves in Europe? Do many people in Europe agree with his attitude?

[Joe Getty]

Well, I mean, it's really interesting. I came to Germany for the Times in January, and in the time that I've been here, I think we've seen a real flood of Europeans toward the, that Tusk perspective for lots of reasons, but this real idea, like, hey, we need to be spending the money here to defend ourselves, ourselves, to make ourselves ready, not just, you know, to help Ukraine, but to ward off possible attack from Russia. Something you hear in Germany all the time now. I mean, the Germans are massively increasing their military spending, and it's because they are afraid that they could be next or really they could be drawn into some sort of. Yes. I mean, people don't believe me sometimes when I tell them this back home. But the German, German leaders I talked to are constantly worried that Putin would not stop at Ukraine, that he might go to some places like Lithuania or he might go into Poland, as we've seen Russia flying drones over Poland already. And that, you know, Berlin is not that far away from there and that they need to be ready on their own, you know, with or without help from the Americans to defend against that sort of an attack. And that's, that's why they're just going to spend a lot of money trying to build up their defenses again.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's really interesting. I mean, on one hand, I'm glad they're taking it seriously. On the other hand, that would be insane for Putin to take on Germany and NATO and everything that goes with.

[Joe Getty]

Would be. I mean, but I think that people thought it would be. A lot of people thought it'd be insane for him to go into Ukraine.

[Jack Armstrong]

True.

[Joe Getty]

And so there's, I think there is really a sea change in how a lot of European leaders, and by the way, not all the public is there. There are some, you know, Germans in the former east, for example, who still would like to reestablish much friendlier ties with Russia and try to avo war that way. But, but particularly among the sort of German leaders I cover, there's just been this big shift. And, and, and I gotta say, part of it is, is because they have been shocked at the idea that, oh, maybe America won't be there. Maybe it's like, maybe America will not have our back, but we hope they do. We, we think they're still our friends and, and either way, we need to do the right thing for ourselves here, which is to have our own defense capabilities get better.

[Jack Armstrong]

Since Trump is in Great Britain, I'll ask you about this. I was listening to a podcast the other day with a writer from the Telegraph talking about the financial situation that Great Britain is. They're like, you know, several years further down the road from us of going insolvent because they spend more money than they take in, and they've made all kinds of promises they're not going to be able to keep on the current trajectories. Is it that bad? And can we look at our future ahead of us in Great Britain?

[Joe Getty]

I mean, as you know, I covered economics before I came here, so it's, I think a lot about this stuff. This is what economists call fiscal space. How much money do you have, you know, kind of left before it gets really hard for you to keep borrowing? And Great Britain does have a coming fiscal space problem. France does. I mean, a lot of, of a lot of the wealthy world does. I mean, America does, too. And we've been, there's certainly been a lot of warnings about it for a long time, but the situations have worsened in all of those countries. And so it's going, that's, that comes at a time when, when all three of those countries also want to be spending a lot more on the military and when nobody, frankly, I mean, maybe I'm wrong about the American debate, but I don't hear a lot of arguments coming out of Washington that we, we should ramp back this amount of spe, particularly on, on, on, on, you know, butter so that we can buy more guns. And, and that's, those are conversations that I, you know, most experts I talked to think are going to be suddenly forced across Europe and America.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it's a damn interesting time for you to be in Europe. So you have the, the military situation, as you point out, spending more money, worried about actually being attacked. You got the financial problems and then the immigration situation that's just roiling so many countries.

[Joe Getty]

Well, the immigration situation is fascinating because the, I mean, it's not a secret. It's the statistics. But the statistics are that the flow of immigrants to Western Europe has fallen dramatically in the last year. And the new governments, there's plenty of new governments that have cracked down on border control. Poland and Germany both have new enhanced border checks, and they're getting a lot of credit for restricting those flows. The polls don't suggest that voters are giving them a lot of credit on any of it yet. And it Might take a while to sort of show them progress. But it's sort of this weird thing that people don't realize that yeah, they had an enormous amount of migration over the last 10 years historically for Europe, but also that flow of immigrants has gone down.

[Jack Armstrong]

Before I let you go, I'm sure there's a. Germans have good words for things. I'm sure German language has a good word for the feeling I've got right now. Maybe it's just envy that you and your family are living in Germany for a while while you do this job. That's got to be freaking cool. Is this as cool as it sounds?

[Joe Getty]

I mean if I, I'm going to make it sound even cooler by telling you I'm currently on a train from Berlin down to Munich because they, they have this annual event here which, which for journalistic purposes I need to go visit which is called Oktoberfest. And, and so, you know, every, we do, we do a lot of, we do a lot of very serious and difficult reporting as reporters. And if every once in a while you can go like I'm going to do on, on Saturday and, and watch them tap the first keg.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Getty]

For journalism.

[Jack Armstrong]

For journalism, yes. You're standing up for journalism. That's fantastic. Good for you, man. Jim Tankersley, Berlin bureau chief for the New York Times. Thanks for your time today.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, thanks for having me. It's always fun.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's a really talented guy, so he's obviously earned it. But man, he moved his whole family there and they've been living in Germany for a little while. But a cool experience to get to have. We're going to welcome to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Joe Getty coming up in a little bit. I want to talk, among other things, get his take on the whole Kimmel firing and some things you might not know about that I want to tell you about. Trust and will get security and peace of mind by making an estate plan now. Like really like now. Because something could happen to you any day and you don't want lengthy, expensive legal battles for your wife, your husband, your family, whatever, or the state getting involved and then deciding what happens to your assets. That happens a lot if you don't have a trust and will create and manage this starting at $199. Trust based plans start at 499 and you can manage the whole thing online with their easy to use website, have all your important documents in one place live customer support through chat, phone and email. So this is something you can actually do with a step by step process, secure your assets and protect your loved ones with trust and will get 20% off on your estate plan documents by visiting trust andwill comm/armstrong that's trustandwill.com armstrong how much of Jimmy Kimmel getting fired was the FCC threatening various licenses? How much of it was what Jimmy Kimmel said? How much of it was his ratings? All that sort of stuff, among other things we'll talk to Joe Getty about.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So this is a quote from the FCC chairman Brendan Carr on a different show, a lesser show, in my opinion. This week there's actions we can take on licensed broadcasters. It's long past the time that Comcast and Disney say we're not going to run Kibble anymore because we're licensed broadcasters. Because we licensed broadcasters are running the possibility of fines or license revocation. From the fcc. That sounds like a threat to me. From the sec. Anywho, let's welcome to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Joe. Getty. Joe, how are you?

[Joe Getty]

I'm fine. And yeah, that's clearly a threat. And it's unacceptable. No, we don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, did we lose Joe already?

[Joe Getty]

On People's Sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hello, You're Checker one. You cut out already. That's a bad start. Okay, try it again because I want to hear it.

[Joe Getty]

Am I here?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Am I there? You're here. Are you here?

[Jack Armstrong]

Joe Dares.

[Joe Getty]

I was saying. Yeah, it's clearly a threat and we don't win by canceling the right for.

[Jack Armstrong]

People to be wrong. That's ridiculous.

[Joe Getty]

We have better ideas. We don't need to silence people. Kimball was silenced because he's an a hole and lots of good folks around the country don't want him on their channel on their local TV affiliate.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think as often as the case, a whole bunch of things can be happening at the same time. His, his ratings like Go Bears were just too low for the amount of money the show costs. So I'm sure they'd been having conversations for a long time. How long do we want to keep this around? Then you got one of the hottest political issues. Geez. In, in maybe in decades. With the assassination of Charlie Kirk Kimmel says something ridiculous. That a lot of America would say, I don't want this show on my channel. So there's that. And you have what the FCC commissioner said, which I don't really like at all.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Yeah, it's funny. I'm with a bunch of guys of middle age and beyond. And so Fox News is on at high volume, like round the clock when we're not on the golf course. And so I've seen the tape of Kimmel several times, and if he had merely been wrong, that's forgivable. But as usual with him, he pronounced that the shooter was a MAGA type, and the stupid MAGA idiots were trying to pretend otherwise in such a contemptuous and confident way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

If he said some information is coming in that this guy's actually right winger, we're investigating it.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right?

[Joe Getty]

You get to be wrong. That's fine.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're cutting out a lot. So unfortunately, it's a little hard to follow you.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Oh, shoot.

[Jack Armstrong]

I assume.

[Joe Getty]

Let me reconnect.

[Jack Armstrong]

Assume you're on the call on the phone. Just call on the phone. The phone is a. I love the phone. I'm a big fan of the phone. Can we use the phone? Yeah. So I just. I wanted to mention that what the FCC commissioner said, because a lot of your texting the FCC had nothing to do with it. They did not pressure him. Yes, the FCC did have something to do with it, and they were. They were pressuring him. And I want to make that point because. And I've. I said this earlier, I apologize if you've heard me say it several times, but I think this is important for me and my job. I don't want, when Gavin Newsom becomes president of the United States, to appoint an FCC commissioner that says talk radio is outta control, because that's where a lot of, you know, stuff, right wing stuff, ends up is on talk radio. I don't want Gavin Newsom's FCC guy to crack down on talk radio and claim everything that we're saying is beyond the pale and put pressure on licenses for various radio stations. That's my take anyway. Joe is back.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, that's when I go underground radio. Throw on the black bandana, the undisclosed location. I go underground.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that's a reasonable concern, isn't it?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, it's 100%. Yeah. Do not grab to the presidency any power you're not prepared for the next guy to use or the other side to use. Come on. Gosh dang it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, I was saying again, Kimmel.

[Joe Getty]

The best thing that I Mean, again, Kimmel taken off. I was glitching on and off. I'm not sure if you heard, but Kimmel was taken off for pure business reasons that he was such a jerk about it and so smug in his ignorance that the local affiliates around the country said, we don't want this guy on. But that's a completely different issue than the government moving in and saying, no, your opinions are too objectionable. I hate that idea.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. When I use the example when Bill Maher got taken off Politically Incorrect after he said the thing about the hijackers right after 9, 11. That wasn't an FCC thing. That was a. During a very sensitive emotional moment for the country, you crossed a line where a lot of affiliates thought, we don't want this show on our air. That's what happened with Kimmel.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Grocery stores don't have to stock foods that people find repugnant. And TV affiliates don't have to run shows they find repugnant. It's as easy as that. And you know, an even greater point to me is if you want to discredit Jimmy Kimmel, he is your best ally in doing that because he's such a jackass. It's like I'm always saying about progressive policies, you want them discredited, Let some fool Blue City enact them for a little bit. They'll get good and discredited.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't, I don't have any compassion for. I mean, we've almost been run out of our jobs for things we've said before, and that's us. I don't. It's hard to have, for me to have any compassion for Jimmy Kimmel because he's such an a hole. I like, I think I could like Stephen Colbert hanging out with him. I know I could not stand to be around Jimmy Kimmel for five minutes.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

What an annoying God. He is the smuggest of smug. And his contempt for like 60% of the country, it's just. Oh, shut up, dude. Go away. I know he's ungodly wealthy, so it's not like his, you know, is. What is he probably 50 years old? His life will be fine. He's got gazillions of dollars to spend, but just go away.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and the word from inside Disney is he'll be back on in a few days.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Oh, really?

[Joe Getty]

I hadn't heard that issue an apology. And yeah, that's the Wall Street Journal this morning.

[Jack Armstrong]

So there was other reporting that he was beyond furious matter than anybody had ever seen him. And he was planning to go on the air last night and half apologized, half claim that it was taken out of context what he's said because he realized how hot it was. I don't know how he was going to try to claim that was taken out of context.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, I'm sure once he cools off in his righteous indignation, they'll be having strategy meetings. But speaking of broadcasting, you want to hear something funny? The WI fi is a little iffy here and I found a perfect spot yesterday when I was talking to him. They are literally running a wood chipper right across the street now, so I've had to retreat indoors and sorry if it's imperfect.

[Jack Armstrong]

So are you not hungover today?

[Joe Getty]

No, I feel great. We definitely were festive last night, but I remember to work in some water and pace myself.

[Jack Armstrong]

So yesterday a whole bunch of listeners were email and texting. Wonder what had happened to you because they said it sounded like you had a list. I didn't pick up on that, but apparently some people did. Did you develop a list? Did you get your teeth knocked out? Were you in a bar fight?

[Joe Getty]

I am not aware of lisping at all. I wonder if that was due to the nature of the technology. But no, I. I remain lisp list and after one day of the tournament, I am your first round leader.

[Jack Armstrong]

Really?

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Congratulations. You think you can keep that going?

[Joe Getty]

No, no, absolutely not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are you keeping your head down and your left arm straight?

[Joe Getty]

Are you supposed to do that?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's Joe Getty, everybody. One half of the Armstrong and Getty show. We got a lot more on the way. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

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We're united in defence and security. Yes, absolutely. But we're also united in the pursuit of peace.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

We are working together to end the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Humanitarian catastrophe in the Middle East. East, get the aid in, free the hostages and ultimately bring Israel and the region back towards a comprehensive plan which can deliver peace and security for Israelis and Palestinians alike. Yeah, that's a noble goal. I don't think that's going to happen real soon. That's Prime Minister Starmer standing there next to Trump. Trump is over there in Great Britain. We would like to welcome to the show CBS News military consultant Dr. Jeff McCausland. Jeff, welcome back to the Armstrong Enghetty Show. What is the task that Israel is trying to accomplish right now. And how is it going?

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Well, the task as described by Prime Minister Netanyahu is a total destruction of Hamas, which many people, me included, thinks is somewhat problematic. At the same time, the freeing of the hostages, we believe there may be up to 20 hostages still living and 30 or more, frankly, corpses from that are still in the possession of Hamas. As a consequence, Israelis now are beginning this rather massive three division operation against Gaza City, which still contains somewhere between 6 and 700,000 civilians. And they're preparing for that particular offensive over the last few days with 150 airstrikes in one evening, and now the movement of forces. So we'll see how this goes. The Israeli Defense Minister described this as Gaza is now burning. And many Israeli officials have said this may take several months to accomplish those particular tasks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Several months. So you used a military term we don't all know. So however many divisions, how many people is that? How many Israeli soldiers are going into that town?

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Yeah, we're talking 15 to 20,000. But the other thing you gotta understand is, of course, it's urban warfare, which makes it a very slow effort. As a consequence, many of the advantages you accrue from having tanks and armored personnel carriers and the like are somewhat less useful when you're going down narrow streets and alleys like you are in a place like Gaza. I was in Fallujah in Iraq, where we went in a city smaller than Gaza. It took us about six weeks. I remember distinctly going in there with the Marines, and each building, small, large, didn't matter, had to have two enormous X's on it before they moved on. What those two X's mean, that entire building, closet, basement, everything you can think of, had to be searched at least twice. Make sure that your opponent had not stored weapons, people or whatever would be in behind you as you progressed through the street. So this is going to be a very deliberate operation. And then after that, you got to occupy it and control it. We're probably talking an equal number of troops and may be forced to do nothing but just occupy the city and control whatever population is left in the aftermath.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that going building to building that you're doing in Fallujah, that's gotta be a pretty stressful thing to do. Every door you open, every, you know, stairwell you go up.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Exactly. No, no, it's very, very deliberate. And the Israelis, and I'm not being critical, it's just the way they have operated for years, and I've monitored the Israelis through several wars, are somewhat risk averse. And try to avoid their own cash. They've only had around 1,000 or more military casualties in the conflict that's going on for about two years. So the consequence, what are they going to do? They're going to use an awful lot of artillery airstrikes in advance to basically drop these buildings to rubble before they move the infantry in and lose those advantages that their advanced weaponry includes. This will be doing things. And they're already doing that, taking down many of the multi story buildings in Gaza. And there are a number. Why would you do that? Well, we found out in combat in Fallujah. We found out in Grozny when the Russians made a Grozny many years ago. Those type of tall buildings are platforms for your opponent, the defender, to get up into and then fire anti tank rockets and whatever straight down against armored vehicles because the thinnest armor on a tank or on armored personnel carriers in the roof. So they're taking all those buildings down in advance as they move very slowly. And in part that's to avoid chasm.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why did you say you're not optimistic about the mission of wiping out Hamas?

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Well, I've never been, frankly optimistic about them destroying Hamas in the fullest sense because Hamas is an ideology. And it's interesting to me that we now, by most acknowledgments, have seen over 60,000 Palestinians killed in the Gaza Strip at the onset of this war in October several years ago. The estimate by the Israelis and other was Hamas total force was 25 to 30,000 total fighters. So we've either killed every Hamas fighter twice or we've also they've suffered enormous amount of civilian casualties or recruited more casualties as time has gone on. That's why it's tough to defeat a group like this, number one. Number two, it's an ideology. You might not see a group called Hamas spring up in the aftermath, but you'll have Hamas 2.0 or Islamic Jihad 2.0 or some other group. It'll rise up in the afternoon.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we'll be keeping our eye on this one over the next weeks or months if it takes that long, as you predicted. I wanted to bring up Ukraine and Russia. We just had on a guy named Jim Tankersley who's a writer for the New York Times and he actually is the Berlin bureau chief. He lives in Germany and he said, you'd be surprised how many German people are concerned about Russia invading Germany. Like, like, you know, Ukraine's not the end of it, that Germany could be on the list too. And that's One of the reasons there's political support for increasing their military spending and all that sort of stuff. That was surprising to me. Does anybody think Putin would, would, would do that sort of thing?

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Well, you know, Lenin once said, if you are attacking somebody, you ram in your bayonet, and if you hit something soft, you keep pushing and you keep pushing until you, you reach something that is hard. And that is the school of the logic that Mr. Putin went to as a young man. So I think he subscribes to that. You continue to push until you have force coming in the opposite direction. The Germans, of course, have history of all this, dealing with the Russians in the past and decisive battles in World War I and World War II. But they're also, I think, have to be concerned, as are the Poles or the Balt, et cetera, who have real concerns about the Russians. They're also our allies of the Germans.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that was surprising to me that that's an actual concern of the German population. I'm happy that they're spending more money on their military. And, you know, all of Europe needs to do that. How is that war going, if you can give us a brief overview?

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Well, again, it's not going well. I mean, Mr. Trump hosted Vladimir Putin in Alaska and said that we would have bilateral negotiations soon between Zelensky and Putin and we'd have trilateral involved discussions involving him as well. None of that has come to pass. Mr. Trump threatened severe sanctions on Mr. Putin going into those meetings in Alaska if there was not a cease fire. In the aftermath, we got a ceasefire, and those threats of severe sanctions against Russia have now disappeared. Mr. Trump has now said, well, the United States will increase sanctions on the Russians when all European countries stop importing any oil and natural gas from the Russian Federation. And the European Union puts 50 to 100% tariffs on the Chinese, none of which is going to happen. So the concern right now is, as Mr. Trump has just finished up in the last few moments, actually, a press conference with the Prime Minister of Great Britain, and he is in England for a state visit. Europeans being concerned and tankers, I think it underscores that about, can they still depend on the United States? Will the United States still be there for them? The Trump administration has already said that we're not going to provide any more military aid to Ukraine. Any military assistance to Ukraine now has to be purchased by Ukraine from us or purchased from the. By the Europeans in behalf of Ukraine. And then, of course, last week, we had the incursion over Polish territory of somewhere between 15 and 20 Russian drones. Mr. Trump kind of dismissed that as well. That was probably an accident. I'm sorry. You don't send 15 or 20 drones accidentally across an international border and send about half of them in the direction of a NATO air base. That's one heck of a coincidence. And that certainly has concerned the Europeans. They've now created a new program or a new operation called European Sentry, and they're moving additional forces into the eastern part of the alliance as tensions continue to mount on the other side. The Russians have shown, as I suggested, no desire to negotiate this at all. And in fact, Foreign Minister Lavrov kind of waved all that off in the last few days, saying that we'll negotiate basically when the root causes of war have been addressed. And for the Russians, that basically is a Ukrainian surrender.

[Jack Armstrong]

The reporting I read is there's quite a debate going on in the White House, and there are two factions. There's one that really wants to hit Russia hard with the sanctions and really arm Ukraine and tell them, you know, use these weapons to fire into Russia however you need to. Then there's the other faction that says it's not our. Not our circus, not our monkeys, not our war. Let's, you know, let's get out of this. Let Europe handle it. If we. If it's. If it's the first path, if we decide to hit with the sanctions and arm Ukraine, do you think there's any winning the war? And I'm not even sure what winning would mean.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

I think it's a distinct possibility. But you're right again, Jack, you gotta define what is winning. And winning it would be, to me, an end of the conflict. Might Russia get recognition of some territory? Yes, for example, Crimea would probably remain in Russian hands. Yes, number one. Number two, Ukraine would have to have some assurances this is not going to happen. Then again, either through a security force on the ground, that would deter the Russians in future, and Ukraine would be able to retain its sovereignty, in particular joining other international institutions like the European Union, maybe not NATO at any time soon, but at least the European Union. That would be a win. And, you know, at the same time, I think you've defined the faction absolutely correctly. But it's interesting, in the United States Senate, there is a bill right now to put increased sanctions as well. Not only military aid, but more economic pressure on the Russians. And it's got somewhere like 85 senators who have endorsed it. My goodness, Jack, we couldn't get 85 senators on both sides of the aisle to agree on what time of day it is. Right. But they have agreed to that one. And so that too is another card that Mr. Trump could play. But so far at least he seems to be moving, I fear more in the direction of trying to figure out a graceful way to exit this in the near future.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, time will tell and when we get a direction, we'll probably talk to you again. That is Dr. Jeff McCausland, CBS News Military consultant. Thanks for your time today.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Thanks, Jack.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I wonder when that decision is finally going to be made. I guarantee you. So there was a one on one talk today between Trump and Starmer and I don't know if there's any reporting out of what they talked about or if we'll even hear what they talked about. But I guarantee you that was probably the number one topic is how much support the United States is going to give to Ukraine if any any hope took care of that. Some Kimmel stuff coming up. Yeah, Joe was right. The Wall Street Journal does have one person say sources with Disney say they're looking at possibly trying to figure out how to get Jimmy Kimmel back on the air. I don't know if I believe that's going to happen. I don't know. All the reporting makes it sound like it he's done, but maybe they're wrong. More on that and other stuff on the way. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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According to new research in the wild.

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Chimpanzees likely ingest the equivalent of several alcoholic drinks every day.

[Jack Armstrong]

The chimps imbibe alcohol by guzzling ripe.

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Fruit, which puts their ethanol intake at about 14 grams per day. You're telling me that animals that fling.

[Jack Armstrong]

Their poop and masturbate in public might be drunk? If monkeys get drunk on purpose because they like the feeling of being drunk, that's pretty interesting. And what's the what's what are they trying to escape from the pressures of all day long swinging through the jungle trying to find a ripe banana? Gets old, you know, at the end of the day you need to take the edge off. I mean, what are their pressures? I don't know. I don't know. Wanted to get this on. This is some sort of tip for is in and out still only a California restaurant. No, they've spread.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. I don't know how many of all y' all have an in and out near you. My son loves in and out so much, he'd eat in and out every day if I let him. I like it. Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I love it.

[Jack Armstrong]

You love the Internet.

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I'm probably well, because today is National Cheeseburger Day, and I love In N Out so much. I'm definitely going.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd forgotten that today was National Cheeseburger Day. What do you get when you go? Do you do that? Are you a secret menu person or you just go with regular?

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I go with the regular protein style. And the fries was extra well done.

[Jack Armstrong]

Aren't you healthy? Yeah. My son does the jungle fries, the off menu, secret thingy. That's that what they call them, animal style, Jungle. What's jungle style?

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I've never heard of jungle style.

[Jack Armstrong]

That might be a sexual position. How many have we got?

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I think you're a drunk monkey. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, here's something about in n Out.

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Everybody's waiting in line on this side street. There's so many cars in line. This silver Toyota cuts everybody right at the corner of the side street in the driveway. And I see it all happen. The staff still takes their order and everything. That guy just cut everybody. There's no way. So when it was my turn to order, I placed my order, and then I was like, by the way, like, that silver Toyota cut everybody in line. He's like, oh, yeah, I saw them do that. They put like a home run note is what he called it. Which basically means that they're gonna take his order, but they'll tell him to pull out, put his blinkers on in the front, and then they're just gonna take way longer to make his order as if he were to wait in line. Anyways, I love in and out so much.

[Jack Armstrong]

I loved.

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I loved the content of that clip. But the vocal fry and up speak almost knocked me out of my chair. He, like, cut everybody in line.

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Yeah. Well, good for you. In and out.

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Yeah, I like that a lot because, you know, you see, and I don't know, I go down these weird rabbit holes of fights on YouTube, but the. Yeah, drive through fights are awesome.

[Jack Armstrong]

No kidding.

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Oh, gosh. You get two people that pulled in from two different directions in the parking lot to the same lane at the same time, and both of them are not gonna move. So they're both out of their cars, cussing each other out. It's like, dude, this is a Wendy's.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is it usually like, dark, as in the bars have closed and maybe alcohol's involved? No.

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Why that? It's ranging from you're in line for breakfast on your way to after the bars have closed.

[Joe Getty]

It happened.

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It's. It's a non discriminatory time frame.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hope it doesn't make me a beta male, but, like, if you pull in, you really want to go, go ahead. It'll take me two extra minutes to get my food.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Yeah, that.

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[Jack Armstrong]

That seems like a lot of hassle for any. Yeah. What do you go. What do I search on. On YouTube if I want to spend my afternoon doing this?

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Well, so I. I am subscribed to a channel called Public Freakout.

[Dr. Jeff McCausland]

Okay.

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And then YouTube just provides me with this beautiful algorithm of all these people just losing their s in public. And it drove me towards this. This drive through drama page.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's funny that there are. There are things because, like, I have a friend who likes to watch boat docking. Mishaps, people. People who can't. Can't dock their big fancy boat and crash it into stuff and like. Like poke holes.

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I love those too. I love them too.

[Jack Armstrong]

Kind of way to spend your day.

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I don't know. But I am ashamed. Somewhat ashamed. But I'll admit it. I spent about an hour and a half watching Public Freakouts the other day. One, because they're hilarious, and two, it's a great reminder to not do that because there's a camera everywhere.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So that one. That one. I think you get to feel superior to people. Look at these numb nuts fighting the boat crashing ones. Probably got a little bit of envy. It's like you got this fancy boat and look at you, you idiot. You just ruined it. That's probably what that one is.

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I twinge at those two because I'm like, I know how much that's gonna cost.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's pretty funny the way people can spend their time.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Awesome. You know what people are not spending their time doing? Watching Late Night. I was just looking at the ratings that they put out. Obviously attached to the whole Jimmy Kimmel getting fired or temporary delayed or whatever ends up being. All the ratings are down for all the shows. Kimmel, CBS before they got rid of Colbert and the Tonight Show. They're all shadows of what they used to be 15 years ago and certainly 25 years ago. They get way more attention and emphasis put on what they say and whether they exist than they deserve for the size of the show. I mean, if it was just a sitcom on in the middle of the day with that audience, you would have never heard of it and nobody would say a word about it because they're not impactful enough. If you miss a segment an hour, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. We do four hours every day.

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I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, DC.

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