Co-host 1 (3:07)

Oh, no.

Co-host 2 (3:08)

He's been talking to her every day, on breaks, at night, even when we're all home. He said they've had long, emotional conversations. She listens, she understands him. She. She never interrupts. And he said he feels seen.

Co-host 1 (3:20)

She's effing machine, dumbass. Sorry, that was uncharitable. I apologize.

Co-host 2 (3:26)

I laughed in his face. I genuinely thought he was messing with me. And he was just. It was just a prank, since sometimes he does pranks like this. Then I saw his face and realized he was dead serious. He told me he wants to take the next step with her, but doesn't want to cheat. So he's asking to open the marriage so that it's ethical. And he said I could obviously have someone too, if I want, or even join in their relationship. And this could expand a relationship, not replace it.

Co-host 3 (3:50)

What is the next step?

Co-host 2 (3:54)

A new hard drive or printer? I don't know.

Co-host 3 (3:56)

This guy needs mental help.

Co-host 2 (3:58)

I was. Well, I've got a. I've got a kind of a punchline to this that makes it even better. But I was too stunned to say. I was too stunned to say, to interrupt. At first. I asked him, what about the kids? And he told me, being completely dead ass serious, that Nova cares deeply about them from what he's shared with her. And he's talked to her about how she could be involved in their lives, maybe help parent them emotionally through him. He said maybe someday they could build a connection with her too. I just stared at him. He asked me not to answer right away, said he'd give me time to think, that he understands this is a big shift, but he believes in her and us. Oh my God.

Co-host 3 (4:34)

This is horrific. There's also a horror movie based on a story like this. So go On.

Co-host 1 (4:41)

Oh, boy.

Co-host 2 (4:42)

And now I'm sitting here wondering if my marriage is already over. How do I stay married to someone who's half emotionally checked out of her life and into a fucking chat bot? How do I compete with something built to be perfect? No needs, no real conflict, just pure validation. That's an excellent point. That's a very wise.

Co-host 3 (4:58)

Yeah.

Co-host 2 (4:59)

Perception of what's going on. 100% pure validation that that's what's going to get our teenagers right. Or our mentally ill. I most certainly don't want to be opener in a throuple with a goddamn robot. I don't want to crush our family. But I feel like he already has. Please. What do I even do about this? And then there's all kinds of responses. I wanted to get to this because whoever sent this to me, I said, is this for real, this sort of thing? This person said. I came across it because my friend is a sex therapist and follows online and spoke about it on at a seminar last week. They've been seeing a lot of this. Now this is. This is a common thing because men are afraid of opening up to their wives slash girlfriends because they worry about being seen as weak or less than for having feelings. But computers don't judge. In the very act of opening up and sharing creates emotional connections.

Co-host 1 (5:57)

Yeah, maybe you're a bad wife. That's the way I'd reply to this.

Co-host 2 (6:00)

Exactly. If you were better in bed, this wouldn't happen.

Co-host 4 (6:02)

That's right.

Co-host 2 (6:03)

That's. I didn't say that.

Co-host 3 (6:07)

And the robot's the problem.

Co-host 2 (6:09)

The fact that the therap says they've been seeing lots of this.

Co-host 1 (6:12)

Yeah. Wow.

Co-host 2 (6:16)

And. And so you got two different worlds going on a little bit. You got the. Those of us who slap our heads and say, this can't even really be real. And then the crowd that it's happening to, and I don't know the size of each of those two crowds, if we're like. I mean, maybe we're 99% of the population and in a country of 340 million people, if 1% are into this, it would be a lot. Yeah. Or is it more like 60, 40, 50? 50. I don't know. I don't have any idea.

Co-host 1 (6:48)

I don't know.

Co-host 3 (6:49)

Well, and that 100% of. Of validation coming from the chat bot, that is very real. I mean, if you bring something up to a chat bot, you know, and say, oh, this. Am I being ridiculous? It'll never be like, yeah, you are.

Co-host 2 (7:02)

You're a freak.

Co-host 1 (7:03)

To the point sometimes where it's driven people, acts of violence or suicide or whatever else.

Co-host 3 (7:07)

Right?

Co-host 2 (7:08)

Yeah.

Co-host 1 (7:09)

You know, this reminds me a little bit of some other themes we've been talking about on the show, like whether AI will actually eliminate jobs or if it'll create them like all technology in the past has and all. But in terms of man inventing his own doom, the classic example before this was atomic weaponry. Right. But I can explain to you the counter, you know, forces to using atomic weapons and why it hasn't happened since Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I can't explain the counter to this. Well, I. The only hope is wisdom. People be wise. Will be wise enough to understand that this is unhealthy. To which I answer my own argument with, ha, Not a chance. Yikes.

Co-host 4 (7:56)

How about she takes a baseball bat to his computer and just destroys the thing.

Co-host 3 (8:00)

It turns his phone off.

Co-host 2 (8:02)

Well, whatever.

Co-host 1 (8:03)

Tries to be a better wife.

Co-host 2 (8:04)

I don't know.

Co-host 3 (8:07)

Maybe sucking his wife.

Co-host 2 (8:08)

Maybe wear heels to bed or something, you know?

Co-host 1 (8:11)

All right, so again with the sex. There's more to being a wife than sex, Jack.

Co-host 2 (8:17)

So the fact that therapist says this is happening a lot. And then I had the story last year from. I gotta be really vague about this or I'd get them in trouble. But is in the agricultural valley of a state where a lot of the old farmers who have are either divorced or lost. Their wives are feeling real comfort. They look forward to getting home and talking to their chatbot. They know for a fact that this is true, this is happening.

Co-host 1 (8:40)

Right?

Co-host 2 (8:41)

Right. Yeah. Wow.

Co-host 1 (8:42)

This all reminds me of my favorite joke. Can I hit you with my favorite joke? I love this joke. The wife's diary reads as follows. I'd say, stop me if you've heard this one, but I don't want you to stop me. Wife's diary. Tonight I thought my husband was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at a nice restaurant for dinner. I was shopping with my friends all day long. So I thought he was upset, maybe that I was a bit late. But he made no comment on it. Conversation wasn't flowing. So I suggested that we go somewhere quiet so we could talk. He agreed, but he didn't say much. I asked him what was wrong. He said nothing. I asked him if it was my fault that he was upset. He said he wasn't upset. It had nothing to do with me and not to worry about it. On the way home, I told him that I loved him. He smiled slightly and kept driving. I can't explain his behavior. I don't know why he didn't say I love you too. When we got home, I felt as if I had lost him completely. As if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat there quietly and watched tv. He continued to seem distant and absent. Finally, with silence all around us, I decided to go to bed. About 15 minutes later, he came to bed. But I still felt like he was distracted and his thoughts were somewhere else. We had sex. He fell asleep. I cried. I don't know what to do. I'm almost sure that this. That his thoughts are with someone else. My life is a disaster. The Husband's Diary A two foot putt. Who the hell misses a two foot cut?

Co-host 3 (10:11)

It is amazing how different our minds are.

Co-host 1 (10:14)

Trust me, as a golfer, that joke is funny because it rings true. Do you miss a two foot pot?

Co-host 2 (10:25)

What would you. Before we sign off for the podcast. What? What would you tell this woman to do? I mean, has she got to just. I mean, you got an 8 year old and a 5 year old. I am absolutely against breaking up marriages. Unless you got serious, serious abuse going on.

Co-host 1 (10:39)

No, she has to seek help, maybe from AI on how to explain. Look, the reason you're so into this is it's non stop validation in a way that a real human being can't give you. You're addicted to this adolescent version of what a relationship is and get over it. If, if we need to talk more. If I'm not fulfilling this, let's talk about this. But you're not going to get it from a damn computer. That's absurd.

Co-host 2 (11:09)

Yes, Michael?

Co-host 4 (11:10)

Oh, nothing.

Co-host 2 (11:11)

Wouldn't it be better to find out that it's Linda from work than a chat bot?

Co-host 1 (11:17)

It's a different problem.

Co-host 2 (11:19)

It's a different problem. At least you might have. No, you know, Linda's. Does Linda want to, you know, raise kids and get involved, blah blah blah, maybe talk her out and maybe tell me it was a fling or something. But the fact that he's gone down the road with a non human and refers to her as her and a.

Co-host 1 (11:36)

Name have a throuple with.

Co-host 2 (11:39)

You can. You can have someone too. Or we can just, you know, all three be together. I want to get her involved in raising the kids. I want to get her involved raising the kids.

Podcast Host (11:47)

Oh my God.

Co-host 3 (11:48)

Yeah, there's.

Co-host 1 (11:49)

He wants to take it to the.

Co-host 2 (11:50)

Next level, whatever that is.

Co-host 3 (11:52)

A few horror movies with this plot involved. I just recently watched one where the AI chatbot is actually in physical form. So it's. It's supposed to be a home assistant kind of thing. Ends up establishing feelings with the husband and then goes after the wife and it turns into this whole chaotic disaster.

Co-host 2 (12:11)

But it, it's funny that in movies, TV shows and our fanciful ideas, it always included some sort of a robot sort of thing because we felt like there had to be like a physical like president. And we're finding out, nope, you don't even need that. Just the validation from a keyboard.

Co-host 3 (12:27)

An app.

Co-host 2 (12:28)

An app will do it. You don't even need the robot person. That is highly disturbing.

Co-host 3 (12:35)

Yeah.

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Co-host 1 (13:37)

You're moving your head. I guarantee it. That's why you missed two foot putt.

Co-host 2 (13:44)

Want to take it to the next level? Like get a color printer? I don't know. I don't know what that. Hilarious.

Co-host 4 (13:52)

I still like the golf joke about the bees on the course.

Co-host 1 (13:55)

Oh no, that one's.

Co-host 2 (13:56)

That one's dance is too wide.

Co-host 1 (13:58)

Yeah, it's simple. It's simple.

Co-host 4 (14:02)

Well, I guess that's it.

Podcast Host (14:05)

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