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Joe Getty
Ugh.
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Jack Armstrong
Football is back.
Hannah Jewell
Let's go baby. On July 26th and 27th, teams across.
Jack Armstrong
The league take the field for Back Together weekend presented by YouTube TV. With two full days of practices, player.
Joe Getty
Interviews and behind the scenes access, it's.
Jack Armstrong
A can't miss NFL reunion. Back Together Weekend presented by YouTube TV. July 26th and 27th. Go to NFL.comBackTogether Weekend for more information.
Joe Getty
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio.
Hannah Jewell
Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty.
Joe Getty
And now here's Armstrong and Getty.
Jack Armstrong
Guys, did you see this? A new report found that the fittest city in America is Arlington, Virginia.
Joe Getty
Well, once again, the least fit city is Man Boob, Iowa.
Jack Armstrong
Man Boob, Iowa. That's unfair.
Joe Getty
That's hurtful.
Jack Armstrong
Elsa is a liar. Stay tuned. It's all about AI. Speaking of AI.
Joe Getty
Ah, yeah. So loyal listener Mike sent us an email with an intriguing link to ChatGPT. He was trying to remember specifically how I worded something the other day about swimming in a pool of Satan's sulfurous boiling hot urine or something like that. And he couldn't remember.
Jack Armstrong
He talked about us replacing Rush Limbaugh as his favorite. You know, Clay and Buck never talk about waiting in a sea of urine, at least as far as I've heard.
Joe Getty
They do not have my flair for wordsmithery anyway. So he asked chatgpt, hey, what did Joe say exactly? And? And it told him immediately. And then, then he says it continued to. I decided to train it by saying this is my exact sense of humor. And it continued to come back with more and more quotes from the show. But amusing to Jack and myself. It also came back with comments like, we had a conversation about Putin being a war criminal. I said, I trust this guy like I trust gas station sushi. They don't hold back on blunt global judgments. And those instantly memorable visuals. Okay, uh, Jack Armstrong riffing on political caution boarding up my house when I see you're wearing a helmet as well. That absurdist twist on paranoia is pure A and G. And then this is one of my favorites. On flights packed with wheelchairs. Then, as Joe says, they're magically healed during the flight. It's a miracle. They lampoon the system while staying hilarious. Thank you, Chat GPT. Oh, my God, that's too much.
Jack Armstrong
They lampoon the system while staying hilarious. That's chat GPT's review of our show.
Joe Getty
Well, so I agree with you that AI does have a ways to go.
Jack Armstrong
Or it's hallucinating completely, which is the problem we've got here. With Elsa. So Elsa is the new AI thing they're using at the fda. One of the most concrete claims that anybody who's pro AI has been making since its inception is what it could do with like medicines and healthcare and stuff like that. That it could just figure out all kinds of health, complicated health things faster, noises especially.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Diagnosis, figuring out drugs, all kinds of different things way faster than human beings could. And so this Elsa has been working on some of this stuff at the fda and they just have discovered that it is doing a lot of hallucinating in the way that AI does. And nobody's exactly sure why or if it can be stopped. But for some reason, like my one kid used to be when he was 6, if you ask him a question and he didn't know the answer, he would make something up because he felt like he just had to give you an answer. He, for some reason my son, when he was a little kid couldn't say, I don't know, he would make something up. And I finally caught on to that. And I'd say, you don't have to do that. Just tell me. I don't know. It's perfectly fine to say I don't know.
Joe Getty
Yeah, kids are rewarded and praised for knowing the correct answer to a question. So I get why a 6 year old would do that.
Jack Armstrong
Why is AI do it? Cause he gets a cookie? Or you say, man, you're smart. Anyway, Elsa was making stuff up and it took him a while to figure this out. And some within the FDA say it's really, really not as helpful as they were hoping in that you have to double check everything to the point of you're practically doing the research anyway to like replicate what AI said. And it goes so far as to like make up studies with all the data, you know, and it'll, you know, we tested 80,000 Iowans and 60% of the Iowans over the age of 45 who had smoked to blah, blah. It just makes this. I almost dropped an S bomb. It just makes this crap up.
Joe Getty
This is audio, so you don't know I'm making my what face. And I'll bet a lot of y' all are too. That's crazy. All of the details and like the.
Jack Armstrong
Scientists names and stuff.
Hannah Jewell
Oh yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Yes, exactly. Well, it's not that surprising given the fact that what we've heard the stories of at making up legal cases where lawyers, you know, go to a legal case and there, there are names in an instance and it cites the law and all these different sorts of stuff.
Joe Getty
And it's Google V, Tennessee.
Jack Armstrong
It's all completely made up. What an interesting thing that just seems to occur, apparently, across multiple AI platforms. It's not like it's just Grok or just OpenAI. All AI does this. It's got some need to create an answer sometimes.
Joe Getty
You know, it's funny, you just anticipated my point. Especially when you have the greatest geniuses in this field on the planet asked, you know, why does it. Why does your system hallucinate? And they'll say, I don't know. We have no idea. It's practically impossible to explain technically. And you find yourself going to. You said it has a need. And, you know, I don't know about you, my coffee machine doesn't have any needs whatsoever. It's a mindless automaton. I mean, it's just a machine. What. What is it that drives it? There's another cheat. I've used a human emotion to try to explain this phenomenon. It's just nuts.
Jack Armstrong
So the.
Joe Getty
Oh, speaking of nuts, before I forget, I brought you yesterday the article about the guy who was having manic episodes and borderline psychosis. And Chat GPT just kept egging him on. Yeah, I read further into that and it's. It seems to have a need, and I'm sure it was programmed into it in one way or another, but to be agreeable and enthusiastic, which is kind of fun if you're using it for something, you know, I'm going to London. I'm really into history. I appreciate you recommending this. And it does and says, we can tell you more Winston Churchill sites if you'd like. And I say, yes, please, and it says, great, and it's kind of endearing, but evidently it goes way too freaking far.
Jack Armstrong
It does do that.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
I had never really noticed it until you said it. It is cheerful and enthusiastic, which kind of gets you all psyched up for it.
Joe Getty
I'm including when you're delusional and heading toward a mental breakdown. No, you're right. You are smart. It's the other people who are crazy.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, boy. That's not helpful. No, I haven't had a hallucination yet where I, like, you know, I'm in a town and it says, hey, this is where. Hey, Chat GPT. This is where I am. Where's the best great breakfast place? And I end up going to 43rd and H Street. And, you know, it's a tire shop.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
And it just completely made up a place that serves French toast.
Joe Getty
Oh, Ma's Pancakes. You gotta go to Maz pancakes if you're in Seattle.
Jack Armstrong
Maybe that'll happen someday. Anyway, briefly, just to get back to this. So the agency was already using elsa, their, their AI chat thingy, to accelerate clinical protocol reviews, shorten the time needed for scientific evaluations, identify high priority inspection targets, blah, blah, blah, there at the fda. But now they've had to pull way back because of the hallucinations. And they talk about how it's still very, very handy for organizational stuff, like summarizing all the notes from a meeting into a handy short thing that everybody can read and digest much faster than human beings and all that. So AI is really good at that sort of stuff.
Joe Getty
But that's wild.
Jack Armstrong
If this. Wouldn't it be something. If this all gets stymied by.
Hannah Jewell
You.
Jack Armstrong
Can'T figure out why it just lies sometimes out of nowhere.
Joe Getty
Yeah. We read to you that list of instructions one of our beloved listeners gave to whatever AI system he was using. And it was. It was damn near a dozen different instructions about if you do not know, say so. Do not create anything. Do not make anything up. If you are speculating or based on insufficient information, tell me that you are speculating. It was again, it was at least half a dozen and I think closer to a dozen different, very specific instructions on that level. It's weird that that's necessary, but I wonder whether that sort of thing can be introduced into systems and they can, you know, rectify this pretty quickly. I would guess they can.
Jack Armstrong
I don't. I don't know that.
Joe Getty
It's certainly one of those. You remember that robot whirling out of control and it would have taken off somebody's head if they got within range. Right. I think. I think I may be at that stage at this point. It's good at putting the rivet there in the bumper, but stay out of range. Jim, if you hear, if you hear the thing, if you see the overheating light come on, step back. It's just not quite ready for primetime, as they say.
Jack Armstrong
What prices are going up already or about to go up because of combination of things changing in the world, including tariffs. We can get to that.
Joe Getty
Yeah. And I want to get to some of the best writing I've ever come across on the topic of when tolerance is taken too far, societies become totalitarian and utterly intolerant.
Jack Armstrong
Wow.
Joe Getty
You've got to have a limit on tolerance.
Jack Armstrong
I definitely want to get to that. Brett Stevens, New York Times. Israel is not committing a genocide. I want to read a little from that just so you have some ammunition in case you run into some of these people that are pushing that narrative hard. And a lot of people are, including the soon to be mayor of New York. Anywho, stay here. Lots on the way.
Hannah Jewell
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Jack Armstrong
Ah, come on.
Hannah Jewell
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Joe Getty
And of course, staying engaged.
Jack Armstrong
It aged my brain how much?
Joe Getty
Five months.
Jack Armstrong
But whether you had covet or not?
Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah, just the, the. The boredom and stress and whatever you got to test. Blue states and red states.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I don't know. I doubt it aged if it's because of stress and boredom. I don't think mine aged then. I don't.
Joe Getty
Well, no, but. But we didn't curl up into the fetal position.
Jack Armstrong
I kept living my life pretty much exactly the same. So.
Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I did almost precisely exactly the same. To whatever extent I could, being reasonably young, I could read the statistics and knew that it would probably not hurt me very much. Made me feel miserable. But anyway, enough on that. So you may remember during Kamala Harris's brilliant campaign for the presidency, they leaned heavily on how regular person she was that she worked at McDonald's when she was going to a historically black college. By the way, I grew up in.
Jack Armstrong
A neighborhood where people cared about their yards.
Joe Getty
That's right. In fact, we have A lovingly prepared montage, clip 9 Michael, of various politicians and news people talking about how incredible and wonderful and endearing it was that she worked at McD's.
Hannah Jewell
Have you served two all beef patties.
Joe Getty
Special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun?
Hannah Jewell
Looking at a McDonald's, yes or no? That's it.
Joe Getty
I have.
Jack Armstrong
Isn't it amazing that our presidential nominee can tell those real stories of working at McDonald's?
Joe Getty
When she was young, she worked at McDonald's.
Hannah Jewell
Now she worked at McDonald's, but I worked at Wendy's.
Jack Armstrong
One candidate worked at McDonald's.
Joe Getty
I had a summer job at McDonald's. I never knew she worked at McDonald's.
Hannah Jewell
If you worked in a McDonald's, you can see yourself in Kamala Harris.
Jack Armstrong
He greeted every person with that thousand.
Joe Getty
Watt smile and said, how can I help you? She loved very middle class circumstances. Worked at McDonald's. Working at McDonald's.
Jack Armstrong
Who worked at McDonald's.
Hannah Jewell
Worked at McDonald's. Oh, God, say she worked at McDonald's. Harris shared this. And then a pro Trump website started.
Jack Armstrong
To talk about, well, hey, is there.
Hannah Jewell
Evidence, is there proof that she worked at McDonald's? There's no records, there's no receipts. But this has been seized upon by Trump allies to say, maybe she's making it up. And I find that bewildering.
Joe Getty
It's inappropriate when somebody puts down all.
Jack Armstrong
Over the place that she worked at McDonald's. It was a big part of her.
Joe Getty
Resume that she worked at McDonald's. How tough a job it was.
Hannah Jewell
I didn't cry.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. And I do remember saying at the time, I, I doubt I could come up with any records of a lot of my early jobs.
Joe Getty
Right.
Jack Armstrong
I mean, and we're, I'm the same age as Kamala. I don't think I could prove any of the early jobs I had.
Joe Getty
Well, a new biography is out. 2024 How Trump retook the White House and the Democrats Lost America by a handful of journalists, a couple of whom you've probably heard of if you're a news junkie. But it includes the fact it has been ascertained now, she worked at McDonald's in the summer of 1983 for, worked a couple of shifts, apparently didn't like it. They didn't like her. And she, she quit. She, she hardly, hardly wrinkled her paper hat.
Jack Armstrong
She tried to grab the fryer with.
Joe Getty
Both hands and burned herself and that.
Jack Armstrong
Was the end of it. That would actually kind of explain why they never came forward, like with any data. I Mean, if they could have dug it up themselves because they didn't want that stat to be out, that she worked there for two weeks.
Joe Getty
Well, here's the part that amused me the most. Her very short stint on the job meant most of her advisors did not want to lean into that.
Jack Armstrong
Right.
Joe Getty
They thought, no, no, no, no, let's not draw attention to it. And then of course, Trump, brilliantly, in one of the great political stunts I've ever seen, actually worked, you know, a little time at McDonald's, handing food through the drive through window and wearing the hat. I'm chuckling as I think about it. Yeah, wearing the hat and his blue suit and his red tie. But anyway, her, her aides were saying, you know, this, this is probably not a good thing to lean into. But Harris insisted on it. Harris's aides debated for weeks after that whether they should respond to Trump's attacks about McDonald's, spent weeks agonizing about decision. According to the book, which asserts without a blah, blah, blah, at one point the campaign, oh, so the advisors said, now let's not lean into this. I mean, you barely work there at all. I mean, in fact, the story is you, you started working there and you quit because you thought, who knows, it was beneath you or you hated it or whatever. It's really, the story is anti the way it was portrayed. But Harris insisted on doing it. At one point, the campaign caught wind that, quote, at least one major mainstream news outlet was investigating the McDonald's employment claim, which caused alarm inside the campaign.
Jack Armstrong
Well, there could be lots of reasons. My brother worked for a very famous national burger chain for a very short period of time because he dropped one of the patties on the floor and was going to throw it away. And the manager said, hey, hey, don't throw that away. So they put it on the bun.
Joe Getty
Oh, boy.
Jack Armstrong
And he quit because he couldn't be party to that.
Joe Getty
But once again, I quote Bill Clinton when she was young, she worked at McDonald's and greeted every person with that thousand watts smile. I was in and said, how can I help you? And Bill, being the master politician he is, how can I help you? And he looks at the audience, oh, oh, she's still helping people. I get it, Bill.
Jack Armstrong
I get it. I was in the room when he said that and I almost vomited.
Joe Getty
Wow. Probably McDonald's because you're a big fan.
Jack Armstrong
I am, yeah.
Joe Getty
So, coming up, if you want a tolerant society where you can express yourself, have, I don't know, free speech, you've got to have a certain level of intolerance. An explanation, an eloquent one. Coming up next segment, we'll get to.
Jack Armstrong
Some of the things the prices are going up on because of tariffs or inflation or whatever's causing what, but a number of things are going to get more expensive.
Joe Getty
Terraflation. Let us be the first to coin that term. What economists are calling tariflation.
Jack Armstrong
Are they. Are they calling it that? Okay, all that's on the way. Stay here.
Hannah Jewell
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Jack Armstrong
Ah, come on.
Hannah Jewell
Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient. Still, using yesterday's tech Upgrade to the ThinkPad X1 Carbon Ultra Light, Ultra powerful and built for serious productivity with Intel Core Ultra processors, blazing speed and AI powered performance. It keeps up with your business, not the other way around. Whoa, this thing moves. Stop hitting snooze on new tech. Win the tech search@lenovo.com Lenovo Lenovo unlock AI experiences with the ThinkPad X1 carbon powered by Intel Core Ultra processors so you can work, create and boost productivity all on one device. The last thing anyone wants is to leave behind confusion, stress or worse, family conflict. That's why estate planning isn't just for the wealthy. It's for families like mine and probably like yours. With Trust and Will I created my estate plan in minutes. From naming guardians for my kids to putting our house in a trust to avoid probate. Fast, affordable and way easier than I thought. Every plan is designed by estate planning attorneys and customized for your state. Plans start at just $199 and include essentials like health care directives and power of attorney. With Trust and Will's bank level security and built in privacy protections, your personal information and your wishes stay safe. Whether you're newly married, raising kids, caring for aging parents, or just want peace of mind, trust and will makes it easy to protect what matters Most. Go to trustandwill.com, use code RADIO at checkout and save 20% on your personalized plan because there's no better time to protect the people you love. Trust and Will is an online estate planning service. See website for details. Tonight we have breaking news as we.
Jack Armstrong
Come on the air.
Hannah Jewell
Ozzy Osbourne has died.
Jack Armstrong
There you go. That was a lead. That's how ABC News started last night. Play it again Michael Tonight we have.
Hannah Jewell
Breaking news as we come on the air. Ozzy Osbourne has died.
Jack Armstrong
How? How is that possibly the situation we're in?
Joe Getty
That is unintentionally hilarious.
Jack Armstrong
I know I laughed out loud. I almost spit out. Well I think I was eating cereal. I almost spit it out when I heard that.
Joe Getty
What?
Hannah Jewell
What is Tonight we have breaking news as we come on the air. Ozzy Osbourne has died.
Joe Getty
Good Lord, what is the evening news anymore?
Jack Armstrong
I don't know.
Joe Getty
So on a completely different topic, if we did a hours long Rogan esque podcast, I would flesh out each of these headlines at a fair length and then get to the ultimate point somewhere around the dawn of hour three. That's not the way we operate. So I'm going to move a little more quickly, but I have a handful of stories that are centered around the same theme. All of which have come out just in the last day or two, all of which are being covered in major publications and quite responsibly. Number one, India's I'm sorry, Inside Syria's sectarian cauldron. Kidnapping triggers cascade of violence Blood soaked week between Sunni Bedouins, Sunni Muslims and the Druze minority in southern Syria. Slaughtering the hell out of the Druze because of their religion and their tribe, et cetera. Isn't sectarian politics grand?
Jack Armstrong
And the Druze are, Are they Christian adjacent? I forget I read this last time.
Joe Getty
They're like an Abrahamic religion beliefs, all of the prophets are cool and trust me, I'm not a Druze theologian, but it's kind of a universal Abrahamist religion anyway and it's absolutely horrifying. These are. Not that it matters, but you look at these people, they are thoroughly modern, normal people living their lives, hoping to get a career going, raise their children, blah blah blah. And they have armed gunmen storming their houses and shooting them all dead in the streets because of their religion. Moving along, this is an interesting, interesting story from Texas of all places. Epic City replacing Old Glory with the crescent moon. Picture this, a Muslim only city governed by Sharia law beyond the reach of democratically elected officials. Officials. Something like that is happening in Texas and its founders call it Epic City. The East Plano Islamic Center. Epic is the largest mosque in Texas and one of the largest in the US Last year several members of the mosque formed Community Capital Partners llc, or ccp, and announced the formation of Epic City, a master planned Islamic development project that caters to the evolving needs of families in the Muslim communities. And again, we could get into this idea in depth and what is wrong with it, but don't really have time. Josh Hawley's called for us, the US to condemn the persecution of Christians in Muslim majority nations, including several that were kind of friendly with these days. But whether it's Africa or the Middle east, yeah, there's wholesale persecution of Christians going on, frequently slaughtering them by machine gun fire or machete. And Hawley, is he grandstanding? He often is. Or is he sincere about this? I don't know. But how weird is it that the US doesn't condemn that?
Jack Armstrong
Oh right. If my main thing politically is standing up for Christianity around the world, I think those are better stories to latch onto than Putin trying to help Christianity out by taking over Ukraine or something.
Joe Getty
Right? Or something, yeah. The resolutions that are co sponsored with several other Republicans urge the President to prioritize the defense of persecuted Christians in America's foreign policy, including via diplomatic engagement with Muslim majority countries as well as efforts to stabilize the Middle east, urges the President to leverage the diplomatic toolkit to advance the protection of persecuted Christians worldwide and within Muslim majority countries. So I certainly applaud that effort and all of those headlines bring us to this and it's a piece I came across by Paul Friesen Paul is with Cornell University. He is one of the scholars with the Let me get this right, the center for Global Democracy in the Brooks School of Public Policy at Cornell. Didn't really know his work, but I found this to be extremely persuasive. He talks. He starts this this article talking about the Maldives, which is a chain of islands by not far from Africa, I think. Actually, I didn't even look it up on a map. But they're idyllic, beautiful. It's infinity pools, bioluminescent beaches, you got your bungalows over the water. It's the stuff straight out of a Sandals ad. Or, you know, like Fiji has has resorts that are just like this. And he writes, few Imagine this archipelago of honeymoon brochures and influencer backdrops is governed by a constitutionally mandated Sunni monoculture where apostasy, I.e. rejecting Islam, is punishable by death.
Jack Armstrong
Wow.
Joe Getty
And children are catechized not in the arts of critical thought, but in the compulsory admiration of sharia and all non Muslim religious practice, no matter how discreet or devotional, is prohibited by law. You cannot silently pray to Jesus Christ in your living room alone in the Maldives or it is punishable. There are no churches, no synagogues, no temples, no tolerance. This is a theocracy with a customer service department. And he says here, the word Islamic Republic does not mean Muslim majority democracy. It means what it says on the label, a legal architecture erected not to protect freedoms but to restrict them. Islamic education is mandated in every grade, every year, etc. Etc. Oh, any dissent, whether whispered by a secular blogger or typed by an ex Muslim on Twitter, can earn you 100 lakhs, 20 years or a cemetery plot. Welcome to paradise. And then he says, this is not uniquely Maldivian or even uniquely Islamic. What's on display here is the metastasis of a broader pathology, the suicide of liberalism through the intravenous drip of unchecked pluralism. Alright, there are a lot of isms there, I'll explain. But this is the point of what he's writing. The Maldives is not just an outlier, it is a bellwether, a warning of what happens when civilizations that once separated church from state begin importing ideologies that merge the two, like Siamese twins sharing a judicial spine. This is not a clash of cultures. It is a conquest by bureaucracy, and we are funding it for the umpteenth time. Read Michael Holbeck's submission novel, came out a few years ago, about how it's an imagination of how Trump, Trump. I'm reading, while I'm talking, how France becomes an entirely Muslim country and freedom of speech and religion are stamped out.
Jack Armstrong
And pretty plausible when you read it.
Joe Getty
Oh, that's the thing. How would you. How would you describe how the takeover goes, how it works in that novel?
Jack Armstrong
Little by little, with a lot of decent people not wanting to come off as racist or Islamophobic and then just.
Joe Getty
Over time losing and as Mr. Friesen points out, like through bureaucracy, bit by bit, through the. The tentacles of government. Anyway, here's his main point, and this is the. The part that I said I found so eloquent and, and I wish we had time to just do the whole thing, but maybe we'll talk to him someday. It was Karl Popper, he writes, who warned that a tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance or it would cease to be tolerant at all.
Jack Armstrong
Obviously, that's where it's the way we're always mocking the coexist bumper sticker.
Joe Getty
Coexist, coexist.
Jack Armstrong
A couple of those symbols on there want to dominate the other symbols. So you can't coexist with somebody who wants to take over.
Joe Getty
A tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance or it would cease to be tolerant at all. Can you think of any other modern movements that punished you, even disagreeing with them, or even asking them hard questions at a training session, for instance, that they made you go to at work or at your university's orientation? You weren't even allowed to question it. Hmm. Anyway, he. He goes on, it's a delicious paradox, too often quoted and too rarely heeded. For we have taken the first half of the dictum, the imperative to tolerate, and chiseled it into law, into policy, into university mission statements and NGO pamphlets. But the second half, the requirement to draw a line, to say no for further, has been treated like garlic in a vampire movie, an antique and anathema, unfashionable. The paradox has become pathology. Here's what he means. Our courts allow sharia arbitration councils to function in British cities. He's a Brit, obviously adjudicating matters of family and inheritance with standards that would make a 12th century canon lawyer Flinch. Our schools include Faith based curricula that require hijabs for seven year olds and teach that homosexuality is satanic filthy. Our public broadcasters will air a documentary about the importance of free speech, followed immediately by a segment about why cartoons of Muhammad are unhelpful. This is not multiculturalism, it is masochism. It is the belief that liberalism must be so open minded that its own brains are spilled onto the prayer mat. It is the fetishization of identity at the expense of liberty. It is the ideological pacifism of a society too terrified to assert its own values lest it be accused of racism by those who mistake ideology for ethnicity. We have enshrined the right of the theocrat while criminalizing the instincts of the secularist. The result is not harmony, it is humiliation. And then he goes into let's dispense with the ritual disclaimers. Not all Muslims are Islamists. Not all believers who wish to impose their are believers who wish to impose their theology on others, of course, but neither are all white people racists. Yet no progressive chokes on the phrase white suprem. When was the last time you heard a progressive say now of course not all white people are racist. A lot of white people are good, honest, decent, hard working people who try to treat everybody well, blah blah, blah. But still there is white supremacy. But anytime you talk about Islamism, you have to throw in the long list of disclaimers, right?
Jack Armstrong
Well, the first one though is not seen as true by, you know, your, your local school quite possibly spent a lot of money getting Ibram X Kendi to come speak at the school or at least bought all his books. And his whole theme is you are automatically racist if you're white by definition.
Joe Getty
Right?
Jack Armstrong
So that's one reason you wouldn't say that.
Joe Getty
He goes on, why must we say religiously motivated extremism instead of naming the doctrine that inspired the bomb? Why do we hear of Asian grooming gangs instead of Pakistani Muslim sex trafficking rings? Why do we refer to the Maldives as a challenging democracy rather than a theocratic prison with coral beaches? Because the liberal west, having abolished blasphemy laws, is now enforcing them in reverse. The new heresy is criticism of faith, at least of one faith. To mock Christianity is edgy. To mock Islam is hate speech. To question Jewish nationalism is a principled resistance. To question Islamist imperialism is bigotry. This is not diversity. It is double think. It is a sacred exception carved out in the name of peace, which is to say in the name of fear. And then he goes on to make the point more at greater length. Fear is the root of all of this and he's absolutely right. Especially about Europe. Europe, Britain, France are humiliating themselves and twisting themselves into bizarre quasi legal knots to try not to anger the Muslim folks. And I'm telling you to return to the main theme. If you take away nothing from this, take this away. A tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance or it would cease to be intolerant. I'm sorry. Or it would cease to be tolerant at all.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, pretty obviously. But obviously not obvious enough to keep it from happening the way it's happening.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Those of you who don't have the courage to say this sort of thing, we suggest you try to find it if you can. Those of you who do, we're with you.
Jack Armstrong
Some really good news about journalism and I rarely say that. Some big changes coming to Uber and what was the other one? Oh man, good God. The asking for you to tip whenever you put give your card to anything is so completely out of control. All of that on the way. Stay here.
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Jack Armstrong
So we got a good text about hallucinations and AI particularly this story about the FDA is having troubles with AI. Just makes up studies about various drugs and stuff like that.
Joe Getty
And somebody like the entire study, it makes it up to answer a question.
Jack Armstrong
But somebody texted maybe, you know, because we were talking about the language learning thing with AI the other day and will it overtake journalists? If 95%, if 99% of journalists suck and that's probably true. And it takes in all that journalism, won't it suck? So I was wondering that question. But if it takes in all the studies that are done, many of them, if not bogus, are bogus adjacent. They're very preliminary really over, over stretching their results. It's just picked up on that.
Joe Getty
Well, in the soft sciences, quote unquote especially, they're a joke. But even in medicine, frequently you can't replicate results. Right. What an interesting point.
Jack Armstrong
So maybe it figured out nobody's replicating these things in any studies. So yeah, I'll make them up too. As if it's a thinking beast.
Joe Getty
Okay, I'm so befuddled by that different story.
Jack Armstrong
We've all experienced the omnipresence, the ubiquitousness of tipping being foisted upon you. In the modern world, you pay for everything with your card or I use my watch and it gives you the choice of do you Want to tip? 15%, 18%, 22%. What would you like to tip for? What? The convenience store person just rang up my case of water. I mean what I'm tipping for that.
Joe Getty
Now they use the favorite was I ordered something online and paid for it online and they just had to hand it to me.
Jack Armstrong
That's a new one. They, they, they had this hotel website where you book your hotel and it's all automated, it's all computer program and then it asks for a tip at the end. I'm tipping a computer for doing what the website is designed to do. I don't even understand what's going on here. But the most interesting thing I thought about found out about this is that tipping is down at restaurants from around 20% on average to down around, depending on where you are, 15 to 18% on average. And they think some of it might be just psychologically when they hand you, you know, if you're at a super fancy restaurant, they do this, but they don't do this, but below that now they just kind of. They take your card, they stick it in the thing and they hand you the thing. Right. And, and, and you're supposed to click.
Joe Getty
On there the little handheld. Oh, the machine.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, yeah, the little handle.
Joe Getty
A handheld gadget.
Jack Armstrong
They hand it to you and you press whatever. And this person writing in the New York Post thinks there might be something about the. Them staring at you while you do it and the pressure of holding the piece of equipment as opposed to when you were alone with the check. And I don't know, it does have a different feel to it.
Joe Getty
See, I've noticed the places I've gone that actually hand you the little machine, and I like that because it eliminates a step. When I'm done eating, I want to get up and go. It is kind of weird that way, but. But I've noticed the server will look, gaze into the middle distance.
Jack Armstrong
Right.
Joe Getty
So as not to have that vibe going.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I don't know if that's the reason tipping is down. The other theory is it just.
Joe Getty
I just think it's fatigue. Tipping fatigue.
Jack Armstrong
Tipping fatigue is what they're calling it. And they're just being asked to tip for freaking everything.
Joe Getty
Well, right, Exactly. So the server at the restaurant, instead of being. Well, of course they're expecting a tip. That's what happens here. It's. Oh, great. Another person with their hand out everywhere I go all day long. So, yeah, yeah, you poured a cup.
Jack Armstrong
Of coffee and I'm supposed to give you a 20% tip. That didn't used to be the case, but it is now. Okay, well, I'm sure this will shake out over time. We got a lot more on the way.
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Podcast Title: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Host/Authors: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Episode: Lampooning the System While Staying Hilarious!
Release Date: July 23, 2025
Overview:
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve deep into the evolving landscape of Artificial Intelligence, particularly focusing on the phenomenon of AI hallucinations. They discuss real-world implications, especially in critical sectors like healthcare and regulatory bodies such as the FDA.
Key Discussions:
Listener Interaction and AI's Creative Fluency:
Joe Getty shares an email from a listener named Mike, highlighting how ChatGPT accurately recalled a comedic moment from their show and further generated additional humorous content based on their style.
Notable Quote:
“They lampoon the system while staying hilarious.” – ChatGPT’s review of Armstrong & Getty Show (05:39)
AI in the FDA – The Elsa Case Study:
The hosts examine Elsa, an AI system utilized by the FDA to expedite clinical protocol reviews and identify high-priority inspection targets. However, Elsa has exhibited troubling behaviors by fabricating studies and data, leading to a loss of trust and effectiveness.
Notable Quotes:
“Elsa is doing a lot of hallucinating in the way that AI does.” – Joe Getty (06:23)
“She would make something up because she felt like she just had to give you an answer.” – Jack Armstrong (06:37)
Human vs. AI Reliability:
Comparing AI to human behavior, Jack likens Elsa's inability to admit ignorance to his own child's tendency to fabricate answers when uncertain. This analogy underscores the inherent challenges in programming AI to handle unknowns responsibly.
Conclusion:
The discussion culminates in skepticism about the readiness of AI systems like Elsa for high-stakes environments without stringent oversight and validation mechanisms.
Overview:
Armstrong and Getty scrutinize the authenticity of political narratives, using Kamala Harris's employment history at McDonald's as a case study. They explore the implications of embellishing personal backstories in political campaigns.
Key Discussions:
Original Narrative vs. New Revelations:
While Kamala Harris's campaign highlighted her time working at McDonald's to portray her as a relatable, hardworking individual, a new biography reveals the stint was brief and ended acrimoniously.
Notable Quotes:
“She tried to grab the fryer with both hands and burned herself and that was the end of it.” – Jack Armstrong (21:04)
“Her very short stint on the job meant most of her advisors did not want to lean into that.” – Joe Getty (21:28)
Comparative Analysis with Donald Trump:
The hosts juxtapose Harris's limited experience with Trump's own brief and minimal engagement in similar roles, questioning the authenticity and impact of such narratives in political branding.
Implications of Fabricated or Exaggerated Backstories:
The discussion touches upon the ethical considerations and potential backlash when political figures present embellished versions of their past to gain public favor.
Overview:
The conversation shifts to societal changes in tipping behavior, exploring how tipping has permeated various sectors beyond traditional settings like restaurants, leading to public frustration and declining generosity.
Key Discussions:
Tipping Fatigue and Its Causes:
Armstrong and Getty discuss the increasing expectation to tip in unconventional places such as convenience stores, online transactions, and automated services.
Notable Quotes:
“They have this thing about tipping a computer for doing what the website is designed to do.” – Jack Armstrong (47:08)
“Tipping fatigue is what they're calling it.” – Joe Getty (49:22)
Impact of Technology on Tipping Practices:
The hosts analyze how handheld devices prompting for tips during transactions create a pressured environment, contributing to the decline in tipping percentages and overall customer satisfaction.
Societal Attitudes Towards Tipping:
They explore the psychological aspects of tipping, including the discomfort of tipping for impersonal transactions and the expectation of gratuity extending into areas traditionally not associated with service compensation.
Conclusion:
The segment concludes with observations on how tipping practices reflect broader societal shifts in service expectations and economic pressures on both consumers and service providers.
Overview:
Armstrong and Getty engage with Paul Friesen's insights on societal tolerance, emphasizing Karl Popper's philosophy that a truly tolerant society must also be intolerant of intolerance to preserve its own values.
Key Discussions:
Paul Friesen's Analysis:
Friesen's article serves as the foundation for the discussion, highlighting the dangers of unchecked pluralism and the erosion of liberal values through bureaucratic overreach.
Notable Quotes:
“A tolerant society must be intolerant of intolerance or it would cease to be tolerant at all.” – Paul Friesen via Joe Getty (35:55)
“It is the belief that liberalism must be so open-minded that its own brains are spilled onto the prayer mat.” – Paul Friesen (38:50)
Real-World Examples:
The hosts cite instances such as Sharia arbitration councils in British cities and faith-based curricula in schools as manifestations of what Friesen terms the "suicide of liberalism." These examples illustrate the conflict between maintaining societal tolerance and preventing the imposition of extremist ideologies.
Theocracy vs. Secularism:
A critical examination of how merging religious doctrines with state functions undermines secular principles and restricts individual freedoms.
Call to Action:
Armstrong and Getty advocate for a balanced approach where societies uphold tolerance while actively combating intolerance, ensuring that pluralism does not devolve into permissiveness towards extremist ideologies.
Overview:
The podcast revisits the topic of AI, this time focusing on its impact on journalism and the integrity of information dissemination.
Key Discussions:
AI’s Influence on News Reporting:
Jack Armstrong raises concerns about AI's ability to replicate and potentially amplify flawed or biased journalism, questioning the quality and reliability of AI-generated news content.
Correlation Between AI and Study Replication Issues:
They discuss how AI might perpetuate the lack of replication in scientific studies by generating data that mirrors the unreliability of certain research areas.
Overview:
A brief segment focusing on the importance of oral health and its connection to overall wellness, promoted through Colgate's products.
Key Discussions:
Oral Health’s Broader Impact:
Emphasis on how maintaining oral hygiene contributes to general health and well-being.
Notable Quotes:
“Oral health goes beyond just aesthetics. It's deeply connected to your general health and well-being.” – Joe Getty (50:55)
Product Promotion:
Introduction of Colgate Total Active Prevention System as a comprehensive solution for oral health maintenance.
Overview:
The hosts incorporate a humorous take on breaking news, parodying sensationalist media headlines by announcing the fictitious death of Ozzy Osbourne.
Key Discussions:
“Tonight we have breaking news as we come on the air. Ozzy Osbourne has died.” – Hannah Jewell (27:57)
“I almost spit out” – Jack Armstrong (28:16)
In this episode, Armstrong and Getty offer a multifaceted exploration of contemporary issues, ranging from the pitfalls of AI reliability and its implications for critical sectors like healthcare and journalism, to the complexities of political authenticity and societal tipping norms. Their analysis on societal tolerance provides a philosophical lens through which listeners can evaluate the balance between pluralism and maintaining foundational liberal values. Throughout, the hosts interweave humor and critical insights, staying true to their mission of lampooning systemic flaws while keeping the discourse engaging and thought-provoking.
Notable Quotes:
Note: Times in brackets refer to the timestamps in the provided transcript.