Like Shipping But A Little Different

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Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Like Shipping But A Little Different
Date: September 22, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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This episode of "Armstrong & Getty" tackles the ongoing debate over "hate speech" and governmental censorship, with a focus on controversial comments from Attorney General Pam Bondi and President Trump, and the conservative backlash against policing speech. The episode also reflects on the legacy of Charlie Kirk following his assassination and explores the evolving American work culture post-COVID, among other topical stories. Armstrong & Getty remain committed to their trademark blend of humor, irreverence, and deep skepticism of government overreach.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. “Hate Speech” and Censorship—A Cross-Political Firestorm

• Pam Bondi’s Comments (02:00–02:09, 05:42)

  • Bondi vows to “target you, go after you” if engaging in hate speech, “across the aisle,” igniting alarm from both hosts.
  • Joe Getty immediately critiques the embrace of "hate speech" as a legal concept, which is anathema to conservatives.

• Bipartisan Backlash (02:33–03:55)

  • Clips and reactions from Senators Chuck Schumer, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Markwayne Mullin, and Thomas Massie—all reject government deciding what qualifies as hate speech and urge caution about censorship.
  • Jack Armstrong: “That was dead wrong and stupid, utterly unsupportable, a huge failure and we condemn it.” (02:26)
  • Joe Getty: “Any attempt to impose hate speech laws in this country is a denial of the humanity of American citizens.” (05:08, paraphrasing Tucker Carlson)

• The Fundamental Problem of Defining Hate Speech (03:55–05:19)

  • Who sets the standard for hate speech? Armstrong & Getty stress that this core question is “blown past” by both officials and many intellectuals.
  • Tucker Carlson’s view echoed: “Who decides what’s hate speech? That’s the obvious part ... that I just—blows my mind that intellectuals can miss.” (03:55, Joe Getty)

• Pam Bondi’s Walk Back (05:53–06:00)

  • Armstrong: “To get those words to come out of your mouth is kind of disturbing.”

2. Trump’s Stance and Free Speech Principles

• Trump Doubles Down (06:12–07:53)

  • Trump criticizes inaction and singles out Pam Bondi publicly via Truth Social, urging more forceful action surrounding "hate speech” and criticizing the press.
  • Armstrong laments: “[Trump] doesn’t understand or care… there are certain things a President must never do.” (07:53)
  • Discussion on dangers of escalating governmental retaliation, even when conservatives are the targets of misinformation and disinformation.

• Danger of Lawfare & Speech Restrictions (08:00–09:55)

  • Armstrong warns that ignoring constitutional principles in the name of fighting hate or misinformation is a “giant red line."
  • “Good Lord. ... The antidote to, to the bad speech is more free speech, that, you know, you make better arguments or whatever.” – Joe Getty quoting Josh Shapiro, Gov. of Pennsylvania (09:14)

• Neo-fascism & Canceling Principles (09:55–12:08)

  • Armstrong warns about “neo-fascists” in Trump’s orbit encouraging suspension of freedom “for the good of the nation” and insists: “No, we don’t need to resort to crapping on the Constitution.” (11:18)

3. The Legacy and Impact of Charlie Kirk's Assassination

• Tributes and Reflections (24:18–27:51)

  • JD Vance’s eulogy: “Charlie Kirk built a movement. ... It is better to face a gunman than to live your life afraid to speak the truth.” (24:18)
  • Van Jones, despite being a political adversary, shares a story about Kirk reaching out for civil discourse the day before his death: “Don't put that on Charlie Kirk. The last day of his life, he was reaching out to have… more dialogue.” (25:35)
  • Armstrong responds: “If it surprised you that Charlie reached out to you, you still didn’t get him. ... I just want there to be a little dialogue. And we can disagree agreeably.” (26:50)

• Hope for Positive Change (27:19–28:03)

  • Getty asks if Kirk’s death might be a national turning point.
  • Armstrong: “There’s an okay chance [for a positive effect]. I hope so. ... I just don’t know if that can happen in the modern world.”

• Cynicism about Political Opportunists (28:03–28:32)

  • Armstrong warns that Turning Point USA is now a “juicy target for the greed heads and the phonies,” and expresses guarded optimism as Kirk’s widow takes over.

4. Civil Discourse and Personal Courage

• Listener Letter: How to Re-engage in Dialogue (28:46–33:34)
  • Al from Idaho, a lifelong listener, seeks advice on reengaging in open discussion after years of being “intimidated and indoctrinated” in academia.
  • Getty's advice: “Stop worrying how others will react.” (29:46)
  • Armstrong gives practical tips: “Don’t worry about winning arguments … just ask honest, sincere questions.” (30:39)
  • Armstrong: “If you come at this in a respectful way and they reject you for that, that's a good thing.” (29:51)

5. The "Return to Office" Standoff and Work Culture Shifts

• The Slow March Back to Offices (17:46–20:41)
  • WSJ reports companies demanding employees be in offices 3–5 days a week, but compliance is low.
  • Senior managers would take pay cuts to WFH; bosses lack enthusiasm for cracking down.
  • Getty: “Prior to Covid, it would have just been a non-starter for most people to say... I think I’d like to only come into work four days a week.” (19:40)
  • Armstrong and Getty note: “It’s a beautiful illustration of how labor is a market.” (19:09)

6. Ticket Scalping and Consumer Protection

• Proposed Ticket Resale Cap (20:42–21:17)
  • Trump considers limiting ticket resales to 20% above face value, ostensibly to protect consumers, but Armstrong exposes the real push is from big ticket companies seeking a monopoly.

7. Polls, Socialism, and Education

• Public Opinion on Speech, Kimmel Firing, and Socialism (34:55–38:00)
  • Poll: 50% disapprove of Jimmy Kimmel’s firing; hosts clarify the concern is government interference, not Kimmel’s views.
  • Shock at YouGov poll: Two-thirds of Democrats, 38% of independents, and 14% of Republicans view socialism positively.
  • Armstrong blames education: “That’s why you have 2/3 of Democrats having a positive view of socialism. Because their high school, their grade school and high school and college teachers all told them it was cool.” (37:33)
  • Armstrong’s essay question: “Is socialism/communism the most successful fraud ever sold to mankind?” (37:44)

8. Lighter Segments: Starbucks, NFL, Life Advice

• NFL Commentary (41:08–41:53)

  • Hosts joke about the Eagles’ win and the unfair prowess of enormous players.

• Starbucks’ “Nice Barista” Initiative (42:07–46:08)

  • Discussion of Starbucks’ new policy scripting barista friendliness and the science of “LATTE” (Listen, Apologize, Take action, Thank, Ensure satisfaction).
  • Armstrong: “Scripted pleasantness is better than no pleasantness, I guess.” (43:16)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Government Policing Speech:

  • Jack Armstrong: "That was dead wrong and stupid, utterly unsupportable, a huge failure and we condemn it." (02:26)
  • Joe Getty (quoting Carlson): “Imposing hate speech laws … is a denial of the humanity of American citizens and cannot be allowed under any circumstances. That’s got to be the red line.” (05:08)
  • Armstrong: “No, we don’t need to resort to crapping on the Constitution... Be better than that.” (11:18)

• On Dialogue and Civil Debate:

  • Van Jones: "Don’t put that on Charlie Kirk. … He was reaching out to have… more dialogue, more conversation…” (25:35)
  • Jack Armstrong: “We can Disagree agreeably, agree 100% with that.” (26:50)
  • Joe Getty: “Stop worrying how others will react.” (29:46)
  • Armstrong: “If you come at this in a respectful way and they reject you for that, that's a good thing.” (29:51)

• On Work Culture Change:

  • Getty: “Prior to Covid, it would have just been a non-starter for most people to say... I think I’d like to only come into work four days a week.” (19:40)

• On Education and Socialism:

  • Armstrong: "That’s why you have 2/3 of Democrats having a positive view of socialism. Because their high school, their grade school and high school and college teachers all told them it was cool.” (37:33)
  • Armstrong: “Is socialism / communism the most successful fraud ever sold to mankind?” (37:44)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Pam Bondi's Hate Speech Pledge: 02:00–05:53
• Trump & Government Overreach: 06:12–09:55
• Neo-fascists and Principle Abandonment: 09:55–12:08
• Charlie Kirk Memorial, Van Jones Reflection: 24:18–27:51
• Advice to Listener Al: 28:46–33:34
• Work From Home Culture: 17:46–20:41
• Positive View of Socialism Stats: 36:32–38:00
• Starbucks New Policy: 42:07–46:08

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Tone & Style

True to form, Armstrong & Getty’s tone in the episode is irreverent, quick-witted, and at times exasperated. They blend principled free-speech advocacy with occasional sarcasm, snark, and cultural side commentary, making complex topics accessible and (often) funny without lapsing into panic or partisanship.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode deftly illustrates Armstrong & Getty’s core values—skepticism toward government power, free speech absolutism, and a belief in civil discourse—even amidst headline-grabbing controversies. It’s essential listening if you want to understand both contemporary conservative anxieties and the ongoing fight over free speech in America, flavored with the hosts’ signature humor and insight.

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[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

We will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything. And that's across the aisle.

[Joe Getty]

That is the Attorney General of the United States validating the term hate speech, which is anathema to conservatives. The whole hate speech concept.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was dead wrong and stupid, utterly unsupportable, a huge failure and we condemn it.

[Joe Getty]

Well, let's start with here's a couple of people on opposite side of the aisle, Senators Chuck Schumer and Ted Cruz, who's pretty maga, didn't like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is censorship. It is disgusting. It is a violation of the First Amendment. I think it is unbelievably dangerous for government to put itself in the position of saying we're going to decide what speech we like and what we don't and we're going to threaten to take you off air if we don't like.

[Joe Getty]

What you're saying that's around the whole FCC thing, broadcast license stuff that played a role in Jimmy Kimmel.

[Jack Armstrong]

A role?

[Joe Getty]

Not the whole role in Jimmy Kimmel not being on the air at abc.

[Jack Armstrong]

But the idea, like a formal apology from Pam Bondi for putting me in a position where I have to agree with Chuck Schumer. This is disgusting and horrifying to me. I may not recover.

[Joe Getty]

Well, he obviously is being his usual Chuck Schumer self. This is a handy version. He would not. He would not be agreeing with this if the shoe were on the other foot, because his side agrees with the whole hate speech concept completely. Speech is violence. And. And saying something negative about a protective group is the same as violence and it should be censored. He believes that. He's just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Never mind misinformation and disinformation, which they have regularly run up the flagpole as a reason to censor speech.

[Joe Getty]

And we don't have the clip of Tucker Carlson, but you mean you got Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz. Tucker Carlson said the same thing over the weekend. He said, Pam Bondi's just wrong. There's no such thing as hate speech. And you can't be policing it and censoring it, because who gets decide what's hate speech? That's the obvious part of this that I just blows my mind that intellectuals can miss. Who are you gonna let decide what's hate speech?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we all agree here at the university. What's hate speech? I don't understand why you're making it sound difficult, which you're pointing out that Rand Paul predictably joined Ted Cruz. They're more. Mark Wayne Mullen said he believes in free speech. He was concerned about incendiary rhetoric. But free speech is free speech. Hateful speech is also free speech. Only when it leads to violence is there a crossover. Tom Massey of Kentucky also said, no, no, no, no, no. We don't say that over here. So a lot of conserv. Republicans are rejecting this terrible, terrible idea.

[Joe Getty]

We do have Tucker. Here's what he said.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's no sentence that Charlie Kirk would have objected to.

[Joe Getty]

More than that, any attempt to impose.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hate speech laws in this country is a denial of the humanity of American citizens and cannot be allowed under any circumstances. That's got to be the red line.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Tucker is a smart guy, and when he's not being whatever it is he is, I can really agree with him. He's right. He's absolutely right. That is so incredibly dangerous and the opposite of anything Charlie Kirk believed in. Obviously that something could be declared Hate speech, and the government will come after you. Play that Pam Bondi clip again. I'm sorry, I'm all over the place here, Michael, but play 80 again.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

We will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything. And that's across the aisle.

[Jack Armstrong]

What? Yeah, she. She walked that back somewhat, but to get those words to come out of your mouth is kind of disturbing. All right.

[Joe Getty]

How you can't accept the attorney general walking it back if she were the, I don't know, the secretary of lawnmowers or something. That's completely different from the law work.

[Jack Armstrong]

But.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, but, you know, it's not. It's not on you to understand everything about free speech. It is on her to understand everything about free speech as the Attorney general, the top of the Justice Department. And for her to say that is just nuts. And Trump doubled down on it. Here's a little bit from ABC this week.

[Jack Armstrong]

An extraordinary statement from President Trump. It appeared to be a direct message to his Attorney General, Pam Bondi, but it was posted on Truth Social for the world to see. The President wrote in part, Pam, I have reviewed over 30 statements and posts saying that essentially the same old story as last time, all talk, no action, nothing is being done. We can't delay any longer. It's killing our reputation and credibility. They impeached me twice. They indicted me five times over nothing. Justice must be served.

[Joe Getty]

Now Trump saying to Pam Bondi, and he goes on to say, I think we have that. Yeah, play 82. I'm sorry. They have to show honesty and integrity. And when they, when they take a good. Well, I think the people decide. That's why I'm president. When they take a socially great success, like you often do, and you make it into, like it's a loser or you put a negative spin on it, I don't think that's right. So I think Brendan Carr is a great American patriot. So I disagree with Ted Cruz on that. Trump characterizing people, and it happens all the time, distorting his results as hate speech and that that's something the FCC and Pam Bondi should go after and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or, yeah, go after in terms of broadcast licenses or just prosecutions of some sort or another. One of the great things about Trump is that he doesn't have a lot of regard for tradition and, you know, just the way things happen in Washington. That's one of his great strengths. One of his great weaknesses is what I just said. He doesn't understand or care. And I think it's more understand that there are certain things that a President must never do, or certainly must never do openly, because then the doors are just wide open to the very sort of lawfare and speech restrictions that he rightfully despised, whether it was Covid or the Russian collusion hoax. And you can't say the other side is. Is committing crimes against the Constitution. Therefore, we get to two. No, you've got to stop people from committing crimes against the Constitution. You know, outlawing hate, misinformation and disinformation. Because you say, you know, I don't think the COVID vaccine actually prevents transmission. No, we need to fight against even doing that, not do it ourselves. Good Lord. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I was happy to see Governor Josh Shapiro, Democrat of Pennsylvania over the weekend, saying the, the antidote to, to the bad speech is more free speech, that, you know, you make better arguments or whatever. So what do you think is up here? I mean, who's Donald Trump playing to? Or who. Who does he think his constituency is? Is there a constituency for. Let's go after with broadcast license. License or whatever crime you would call hate speech. I mean, because that is such a bedrock of conservatism, it seems to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think he has voices in his ear. And, boy, I hate to use the F word on the air, but I have to brace yourselves. There are neo fascists who have Trump's ear. And I'm not using the I call everybody don't like a fascist, like I'm some sort of pathetic lefty. I'm talking about a set of political beliefs that says there are threats against our nation and our people so great, generally from the outside or the enemy within, blah, blah, blah. But the threat is so acute that we must throw aside our principles to fight it. Much as we love freedom, the risk to the nation is too much. We are canceling freedom for a time to root out this threat. And Trump has people in his ear telling him, yes, that's it's justified. We can do it, we can pass the laws, we can do this legally. And he doesn't understand who they are and what they're trying to convince him to do. I believe that, um, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he just doesn't understand it. Um, but no, the answer is no just because ABC News is blatantly, ridiculously unfair against you all the time. No, the answer is not to have your chairman of the FCC say, be ashamed of something happened to your network there. You want to do a single deal? Yeah. You better come around and say what we like. No, that is not what we do.

[Joe Getty]

Or the attorney general, for crying out loud.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you know, look, some of you are tempted by this. Our ideas are better. They will win. Charlie Kirk, turning point. This is a turning point. The 80% of the population that doesn't want a dude playing girl sports or a man leering at your 13 year old daughter in a locker room where the 80%, maybe the 90%, maybe they had you convinced that we're in the minority there for a minute, but we're not. And if you've listened to the show, you would know that. So no, we don't need to resort to crapping on the Constitution. And I almost used a very bad word. We don't need to resort to that. We're better than that. Be better than that.

[Joe Getty]

Were you going to use a verb for defecating?

[Jack Armstrong]

I was.

[Joe Getty]

That is fairly coarse.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Similar to shipping, but a little different.

[Joe Getty]

I think we're tracking. Let's end with something more erudite than that. Sarah Isger, who's really, really smart on ABC this week showing us how we got here.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

This is bad for the Department of Justice, it's bad for the country. But I do think we should take a bigger view here. When you look at during the Obama administration using the power of the presidency to target Tea Party groups through the irs, during the Biden administration using the power of the presidency to target social media companies, Mark Zuckerberg saying they were threatened if they didn't take down information on Covid origins. And now using the power of the presidency, whether through the FCC or the Department of Justice to limit criticism. We should be talking about the power of the presidency because frankly there is no legislation that is going to prevent abuses of power by the President. We have to take away that power. The FCC shouldn't have this power. The IRS shouldn't have this power. And until we're willing to talk about that, this is just gonna turn into a tit for tat and it's going nowhere good.

[Joe Getty]

Excellent point. Sarah Isger of the Dispatch.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, what she said.

[Joe Getty]

Why is the mainstream media. Well, you know why. But ever say anything about that actually happened? The IRS commissioner from that time apologized for that in public, in Congress, that they did target Tea Party people for their beliefs. And then the example under the Biden administration, Mark Zuckerberg has said out loud he got leaned on by the federal government to not have stuff on Facebook about vaccines and the spread of the virus and all that sort of stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you don't care about that. The lab leak that stuff, all is fine.

[Joe Getty]

It's just when Trump says he wants to control hate speech or misinformation, is it a problem?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's why we got to call them on that and keep calling them on that. And if we do it, we got to call us on that. It's called principles. They actually make your life better. Try them.

[Joe Getty]

Any thoughts on any of that? Because that's an interesting topic. Text line 415295 KFTC Armstrong and Gettysburg Lets be real.

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We had that story last week. Seemed like a poorly thought out plan.

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And a poor lifestyle as well. Coming up, really interesting clip from a well known lefty about the passing of Charlie Kirk. The murder of Charlie Kirk. Great email on the topic. I want to get to as well. And also there are a couple of things the rich can do that the rest of us can't. A, fly private and B, get married. According to young people, there's been a giant cultural shift around marriage.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's really weird. This is our once a month update on whether people are actually returning to the office or not. The Wall Street Journal, for obvious reasons, is definitely on this story and continues to be. Long story short, you got big companies all over the country, everything from Microsoft to Paramount to they name a bunch who are all saying, all right, you got to be in the office three days a week or four days a week or five days a week. They're making various, you know, statements. Different standards, different people, different companies.

[Joe Getty]

What is it around here? Do you know, Michael? Is it three?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think so.

[Joe Getty]

Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, I think.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, the interesting part is that there's a huge lack of compliance all across all sorts of industries.

[Joe Getty]

And I'm not gonna. Is that what people are saying?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, indoor. Yep, absolutely planning on doing that. I'm happy to be back. Gotta settle that. The situation with the babysitting. So it's probably gonna be in two weeks, but in two weeks I'll see you then. Making excuses, kicking the can down the road. And. And essentially the compliance has been pretty low. And I thought this angle was pretty funny. Unenthusiastic bosses don't help. They might shield top performers to keep them from leaving. Of course they would.

[Joe Getty]

It'd be nuts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Half of senior managers say they would take a pay cut to work from home, so they're not really in the mood to crack the whip. So it's interesting and it's a beautiful illustration of how labor is a market and how you can say, these are my terms, but if the other side of the equation says my terms are just a little different than your terms, and unless you're willing to say, well, go to hell, we have no deal, those terms will change, but this will.

[Joe Getty]

Work itself out over time. It's interesting that prior to Covid, it would have just been a non starter for most people to say to their boss, I think I'd like to only come into work four days a week, I'll work from home. The other day they'd be like, no, that's not an option.

[Jack Armstrong]

Even one day. Right.

[Joe Getty]

And then all of a sudden it became a, you know, I think you're just as productive at home all the time as you are when you're here. I mean, how did it change that drastically?

[Jack Armstrong]

And if I make you schlep into the office, you're going to quit? Well, you're making your numbers. Do whatever you want.

[Joe Getty]

The difference that I love, and I think all of us love, is the meeting situation. Why did we all think we needed to meet in person? Let's all drive somewhere between 30 minutes and an hour to be in a room together as opposed to joining on Zoom for this 15 minute meeting. Thank God that changed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, there are situations where an in person meeting is, is useful, but not all of them. Not all.

[Joe Getty]

Not most of them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I would agree with that. Absolutely. You know what? I don't think we have time for this. You may have heard that Trump was kicking around this idea of limiting ticket resales, sports, concerts, whatever, to just 20% above face value to protect the consumer. No scalping. Right. You know who's pushing for that? The big ticket companies. It's not a good idea for consumers. Not at all.

[Joe Getty]

And yeah, if you think about it for two seconds, I get that. I think.

[Jack Armstrong]

And they would, they would. They also want to monopolize the resale market themselves.

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[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's why we started Normalely, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Carol Markowitz]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday.

[Carol Markowitz]

And Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.

[Kristina Williams]

Would you guys consider anything less than the championship to be a failure from this year or I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously the goal is a championship. There's no doubt in that. And that's the goal. We want to win a championship. I'm Kristina Williams, host of the podcast, in case you missed it with Christina Williams. The WNBA playoffs are here and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups and standout players to the behind the scenes moments you won't find anywhere else.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace the new challenge.

[Kristina Williams]

That we have for all the biggest stories in women's basketball, plus exclusive interviews with the game's brightest stars. So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted. But we also know, you know, that's just one stop along the way. And we're hoping to, you know, make it run. So listen to In Case youe Missed it with Christina Williams in iHeart Women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and entertainment on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jack Armstrong]

Charlie Kirk built a movement. He transformed the face of conservatism in our own time. And in doing so, he changed the course of American history. Charlie suffered a terrible fate, my friends. We all know it, we all saw it, but think it is not the worst fate. It is better to face a gunman than to live your life afraid to speak the truth.

[Joe Getty]

JD Vance at the big Charlie Kirk Memorial yesterday that was seen by 100 million people on television, 200,000 people showed up in person.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, really an amazing event. Awe inspiring. And we'll talk about it more and play you more audio from the actual memorial service. An hour four of the show. If you don't get all four hours or you got something to do, that's fine, grab it via podcast. Subscribe to Armstrong. You Getty on demand. Wanted to play this. He's a lefty. He's wrong a lot. He's a smart guy. And I think he has a ticking human heart. And that would be Van Jones, famously an Obama aide, media commentator. It's clip 67, Michael. He said this just the other day.

[Van Jones]

Hey, guys, I've decided I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna share something, something personal that I wasn't sure I was gonna share. But I think it's important. Charlie Kirk and I were not friends at all. In fact, the last week of his life, we were beefing hard, beefing online, beefing on air. But the day before he died, he did something that shocked me. He sent me a personal message calling for personal dialogue. Wanted me to come on his show. He said we can be gentlemen together. He said we could deal with our disagreements agreeably. And in the past week and a half, just watching people talk about civil wars and censorship and all this stuff coming out of his death, I just thought it was important to let people know, don't put that on Charlie Kirk. Because the last day of his life, he was reaching out to have not more censorship, more conversation, more. More dialogue with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries, me. And I just want to share that with the world. And I hope that maybe it might help somebody on both sides deal with issues More like he did.

[Jack Armstrong]

I thought that was nice and I. I thank Van Jones for posting that. It's a gentle criticism. But if it surprised you that Charlie reached out to you, you still didn't get him. And you probably don't get me. Van. No, I'm more than willing to listen to your opinion. I hear it all the time. I'm surrounded by it. I just want there to be a little dialogue and we can Disagree agreeably, agree 100% with that.

[Joe Getty]

So you think there's any chance that. Well, there's always some chance of them. Do you think there's a realistic chance that good comes out of Charlie Kirk's assassination?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

For our national politics, like there could be a change and people could point back to this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And I don't want to be discouraging because I want that very much to be true. There's an okay chance that it will have a positive effect.

[Joe Getty]

I hope so.

[Jack Armstrong]

How long that lasts.

[Joe Getty]

I hope so. I just. I don't know if that can happen in the modern world. It's just things, everything moves so fast.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And the. The worst among us have such a platform.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And they're good at their job and they're good at their jobs at being bad. We were discussing earlier and will again the idea that Turning Point USA is now, and I guarantee this Turning Point is a giant, lucrative, juicy target for the greed heads and the phonies and the online grifters that control so much of our politics right now.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I'm glad his wife's going to be running it. She seems pretty sharp. And I'm sure it's not the first running up against greed heads that has happened since Charlie Cook caught Kirk. Caught fire.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So, got this note from Alan, Idaho. I've mentioned it a couple of times. I'm finally paying it off. He's been listening since he was a little lad.

[Joe Getty]

Thanks for that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thank you, Al. Yeah. Since he was 8 years old, I.

[Joe Getty]

Realized it's supposed to be a compliment, but all you did was make my knees hurt.

[Jack Armstrong]

So he says. I watched Charlie Kirk Memorial on Sunday and with many of the speakers, the common theme I heard was that I should not be afraid to have discussions and to battle with words. I used to not have this problem growing up and often debated some of my friends in high school. But in recent years, specifically after my college experience and the attempted brainwashing from the California State University system, I find myself much too cautious about what I say for fear of losing friends, my reputation, and due to me Being generally too scared or lazy to start an argument or conversation to begin with. As someone who wants to begin having these discussions again, what would be your suggestions? To break out of my shell again and to stop overthinking about how others may react.

[Joe Getty]

Hmm.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thanks for taking the time. Well, thank you for the note.

[Joe Getty]

I would say one sentence, stop worrying how others will react.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, you know, yeah, that's funny. I wasn't going to go in that direction. But you could certainly make the argument, Al, that if you come at this in a respectful way and they reject you for that, that's a good thing. It may be a painful thing, at least initially, but you don't want that sort of energy surrounding you.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I shouldn't be so flippant about people who are not used to getting hated upon on a regular basis. When you have the job we have, it's so much hate, like really personal, awful, sometimes violence threatening hate that you, you have to get a thick skin about it. And I realize if you're not used to that, it can be, you know, pretty rough.

[Jack Armstrong]

But I loved getting this note. I've been thinking about it for a while now. I would make this suggestion to you. Don't worry about winning arguments or even having arguments per se. Here is your starter kit. This is your guerrilla warfare Al. And anybody like Al, when you're confronted with some of the arguments of the left, again, don't. Don't go up against them. Hit them with honest, sincere questions. Like, for instance, if they advocate some sort of policy that you think's bad, you can say, you know, I wonder if that actually works in prog. In pro. In reality. Because there are a lot of things that sound good that, you know, in the real world don't really pan out. I wonder if there's data to support that policy being a good one.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, that's one way to go about it. Or you could yell, shut up, you communist.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, it depends on my mood. But because you've planted the seed, Al, that. Wait a minute. A good way to figure out if policy is good policy is to figure out whether it works or not. And you haven't argued with anybody. If somebody's arguing in favor of quote unquote, trans rights or whatever, you can.

[Joe Getty]

Just say, shut up, you communist.

[Jack Armstrong]

Again, that's one alternative. Or you could say, it seems to me there are two sexes and just saying you've changed it doesn't change it. And they'll say, well, sex is just a gender because they use gender. Because if you use sex Then it gets to biology and then nobody can deny it. But tell them. Yeah, I just. I think you can be whatever sort of man or woman you want to be, but you're still a woman. And if they want to blather on again, you've planted the seed of a very basic, very easily understood reality. Think about, you know, three or four of the issues that you hear people blather on about. And just think about art. What can I say that's non threatening? That's just kind of a light over here. It's not even a spotlight. It's more like Christmas, Christmas light. But it's shining on the truth. Just mention it and say, I don't know, I think about these things and you'll get used to it. It'll be fine. You'll be good. Al. Yeah, you. Why do you think people bother? Governments bother. Indoctrinating and intimidating. It's because it works. Because you have. Speaking of biological realities, you have an aversion to pain and fear. And if you have suffered pain and fear over and over again in the California State University system, for instance, for believing what you believe. Yeah, that's why they do that. So it'll take you a while to claw your way back, but you'll get there.

[Joe Getty]

See, you say all that and then you say, have a good day, you dirty footed communist.

[Jack Armstrong]

And if you're not on the air, throw in neph bomb or two.

[Joe Getty]

A couple of poll numbers I came across over the weekend. Speaking of communists, how many there might be out there? Tell you about these in just a second.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Couple of polls help. You know how other people think, whether you agree with which group here, YouGov poll around Kimmel getting fired. The plurality, the biggest number is strongly disapprove Kimmel being fired, 42%. You add that to somewhat disapprove, you're at 50%. You only have in the somewhat approve or a 9% and strongly proof 26%. So the vast majority of Americans, and I gotta believe that includes lots of a big chunk of Republicans, are against Kimmel being fired. So there's that.

[Jack Armstrong]

And like so many of these issues, polls give me about 60 seconds to explain to some of the people who love it, and I'd say, oh, yeah, I think he's a smug, just awful, wrong about everything sarcastic prick. And I wouldn't want him on my TV station. The problem is the administration pressuring his company to fire him. That's uncool.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And as we talked about last week when you were in here, it was a stew of a number of things. I mean, the people at the top are being quoted. They were pretty uncomfortable with how far he had been going for a long time, just in terms of having an audience. His audience was very small. The ratings have been going down like all of those shows for a very long time. So the shows are so expensive to put on.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And as a conservative, if the many TV stations in the middle of America had said, look, we don't want to hear this guy anymore. He's awful. What he said was unforgivable and the freaking government could have just stayed out of it. Yeah, that would have been righteous and powerful.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. One other poll to hit you with before we take a break. Do you view socialism positively? Two thirds of Democrats say yes, 38% of independents, which is still too dang high, and 14% of Republicans. What kind of a Republican are you that you have as positive view as socialism? Anyway? That's 14%.

[Jack Armstrong]

But how about we don't want you.

[Joe Getty]

Two thirds of Democrats have a positive view of socialism. Based on what? Well, based on what your damn teacher told you. My son, who is no longer in the history class, the American history class I'd been complaining about. His last class he attended. The entire hour was spent on the evils of settler colonialism, which is a term only Marxists use at all, by the way.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Let alone discuss it for an hour in your American history class. How crazy is that. What a bunch of crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wish people had any grasp of how much of what they heard is neo Marxism.

[Joe Getty]

But my point was that's why you have 2/3 of Democrats having a positive view of socialism. Because their high school, their grade school and high school and college teachers all told them it was cool.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, here's an essay question for you, and we don't really have time to talk about it, but you can stew on it for a while. Is socialism slash communism the best slash most successful fraud ever sold to mankind?

[Joe Getty]

Absolutely. I don't have to think of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

The only one that I think is worse is living a life of sin and pleasure will make you happy, but that's non political.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well. Well, we'll see what Mayor Mumdami has to say about it when he when he takes office in New York.

[Jack Armstrong]

Dirty Commie.

[Joe Getty]

We've got more on the way. Stay here.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

Armstrong and Gettys.

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[Carol Markowitz]

And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Carol Markowitz]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday.

[Carol Markowitz]

And Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.

[Kristina Williams]

Would you guys consider anything less than the championship to be a failure from this year. I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously, the goal is a championship. That's. There's no doubt in that. And that's the goal. We want to win a championship. I'm Kristina Williams, host of the podcast in case you missed it with Christina Williams. The WNBA playoffs are here and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups and standout players to the behind the scenes moments you won't find anywhere else.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace the new challenge.

[Kristina Williams]

That we have for all the biggest stories in women's basketball, plus exclusive interviews with the game's brightest stars. So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted. But we also know, you know, that's just one stop along the way and we're hoping to, you know, make it run. So listen to In Case youe Missed it with Christina Williams, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and entertainment on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joe Getty]

Joshua Cardi has it blocked again.

[Jack Armstrong]

This time, Jordan Davis, the big man, looks for the icing on one big cake. Eagles. Hang on.

[Joe Getty]

Eagles. Block a field goal attempt, Run it back, win the game, stay undefeated with about a half dozen other teams that are three and oh, in the NFL.

[Jack Armstrong]

No offense to our brilliant agent, Eric and Eagles fans all across America, but boy, I hate the Eagles. That. That Guy Davis weighs 336 pounds, quick as a cat.

[Joe Getty]

That's unfair.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd say it is. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And as only we have been saying, the tush push should be banned because it's boring. It's just boring. It makes up for a boring TV show.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, agreed. Yeah, it's terrible. Don't get me started. So I did a bunch of flying over the weekend, and one thing I noticed in every airport, and you do too, in every air, is you walk by the Starbucks and generally, at least in the morning, there's an enormous line.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, I ain't waiting in that line.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then you got like three other places doling out fresh, hot, really good coffee with maybe two people in line. Now, I get they don't sell the same fancy milkshakes, but boy, is Starbucks done a brilliant job of branding.

[Joe Getty]

No kidding.

[Jack Armstrong]

But they've. They've struggled lately. And so if you feel like your local baristas, like Extra sweet and friendly to you. It's because that's the new strategy. They've got a whole new playbook out.

[Joe Getty]

I think I had that experience yesterday. Well, that's great. Interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

You walk in the door, the barista looks you in the eye, smiles and says, welcome to Starbucks. They may call you by name if you're a regular. When your drink is ready in four minutes or less, the barista is there again, handing it to you. Your caramel macchiato looks so good. It's one of my favorites. They say making your way to a comfy chair, you notice a smiley face and a have a nice day scrawled in Sharpie across your cup. It's all according to a carefully written script. You know, scripted pleasantness is better than no pleasantness, I guess.

[Joe Getty]

Is there a belief that they weren't being friendly enough at Starbucks? Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I guess. The chief executive, Brian Nicholl, is a year into that job and he's betting that the company's future lies in making its cafes warm and inviting.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you know, and it's a good point, the difference between one, you know, bar and another is not like that beer. That guy's beers make me intoxicated. This guy's beers don't, for instance.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's all about atmosphere and just the way it makes you feel. So the world's largest coffee company mounting a new effort to choreograph the way it's hundreds of thousands of barista speak in America. The way they make drinks. They hand off orders. They're coached to read customers moods. Choose the right gestures, correct tone of voice.

[Joe Getty]

Coached to read moods. I'd like to be involved in that. That's an interesting thought. You're going to read my mood and then react accordingly. Like if I'm angry at the world, you're going to what? Embrace that or try to turn it around. I hate the world.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'd like to kill these MF or something. Here's your macchiato. Yeah, well, it. Does it have something to do with. I was just reading about the Gen Z stare with their, you know, digital natives, staring at a screen since they were kids, lack of social skills, inability to read faces.

[Joe Getty]

The barista is going to read my mood. Every day is the same and then you die. You with me?

[Jack Armstrong]

I am. Here's your caramel latte maki. Yo. Pumpkin spice flavored because it's pumpkin spice thing. Pause for a second to make eye contact. Don't rush the moment. That reads the. That's how the thank with eye contact Contact section of the new training manual reads employees should be present with customers even while multitasking. If there's a mishap Burritos I'm sorry, I read much more quickly than I can speak and so my tongue is behind the times. Anyway, if there's a mishap baristas need to latte Latte Jack. They've come up with an acronym that happens to be one of their most popular products. Listen, apologize, take action, thank and ensure satisfaction.

[Joe Getty]

That's trying too hard.

[Jack Armstrong]

So if they steam extra pleasant for you.

[Joe Getty]

That's that's why I'm glad you told me this. If I come across a surly barista, I'm going to call him or her out.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you know that if you come across a pleasant one, accuse them of phonius.

[Joe Getty]

I will ask him. Do you know the what the letters in latte mean? Listen, activate tertiary or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

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[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

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[Carol Markowitz]

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