Line Up For Your AI Money Everybody!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Line Up For Your AI Money Everybody!
Date: April 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty dives into the chaotic state of U.S. foreign policy during a period of conflict with Iran, President Trump’s controversial rhetoric, online conspiracy theories revolving around key public figures, and some lighter commentary on the oddities of the AI age and media gullibility. The episode features a robust interview with military analyst Mike Lyons for in-depth analysis of the ongoing war and U.S. military strategy, as well as spirited banter about the absurdities and pitfalls of AI-powered interactions and misinformation in modern society.

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Main Themes & Discussion Points

1. War with Iran and Presidential Rhetoric

• The U.S. is actively engaged in a conflict with Iran—Armstrong & Getty reject any debate about whether it’s really "war."
• President Trump addresses the public from the White House flanked by Melania and the Easter Bunny, highlighting the dichotomy between war messaging and holiday pageantry.
• Trump’s Truth Social post threatens devastating attacks if Iran does not comply with U.S. demands to reopen the Strait of Hormuz—filled with inflammatory language including, "Open the effing strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in hell. Just watch. All caps. Praise be to Allah." ([05:24])

Notable Quotes

• Jack Armstrong: “So our country is at war. To argue whether or not it is actually a war is ridiculous.” ([03:13])
• Donald Trump (quoted): “Open the effing strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in hell. Just watch [...] Praise be to Allah.” ([05:24])
• Joe Getty: “Strong words, Jack. Strong words.” ([07:35])

Highlighted Segment

• Presidential Rhetoric and Media Response ([06:18]–[08:12]): Various news outlets struggle with how to repeat Trump’s expletive-laden social post on air, with Armstrong & Getty giving a tongue-in-cheek "review" of their readings.

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2. Reactions from the Political Spectrum & Conspiracy Theories

• Notable Trump supporters Marjorie Taylor Greene and Candace Owens publicly condemn Trump’s actions and rhetoric, with Greene calling for repentance from Trump’s Christian supporters ([10:30]) and Owens escalating with accusations of satanic conspiracies and calls for Trump’s removal.
• Armstrong & Getty digress into Owens’ increasingly elaborate conspiracy theories, highlighting anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist tropes and the tendency for such narratives to become tangled webs of blame involving politicians, the CIA, and religious groups ([11:38]).
• Discussion on the convergence of anti-Israel and anti-Semitic sentiment among radical elements on both the right and left, tracing it to deeper ideological alliances.

Notable Quotes

• Marjorie Taylor Greene (quoted): “Everyone in his administration that claims to be a Christian needs to fall on their knees and beg forgiveness from God and stop worshipping the president and intervene in Trump's madness. I know all of you and him, and he has gone insane. And all of you are complicit.” ([10:53])
• Candace Owens (quoted): “We all realize that satanic Zionists occupy the White House and Congress needs to move to have the mad King Trump removed.” ([11:14])
• Joe Getty: “It finally occurred to me, with clarity, that the Red Green alliance...they're both bent on overthrowing the West and capitalism... and the big ask from the Islamist side is, hey, super progressives, you gotta hate the Jews.” ([13:27])

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3. Interview with Military Analyst Mike Lyons: The State of the War

Rescue Operation and Military Capabilities

• Lyons lauds the recent U.S. rescue mission in Iran, noting the evolution of U.S. special operations capabilities since the failed 1980 attempt ([26:41]).
• The military’s preparedness for failure and ability to adapt is highlighted as a key differentiator ([27:30]).
• Despite overwhelming American dominance, occasional enemy successes are inevitable in conflict—1 in 20,000 sorties lost is “sometimes just bad luck” ([29:40]).

Iran’s Military and the Future of the Conflict

• The IRGC’s viability is in question—analyst consensus is that American and allied pressure are pushing its military to a terminal state ([31:01]).
• Allies such as North Korea and China are distancing themselves from Iran as their surveillance and defense systems fail.
• Mike Lyons predicts that the next wave of U.S. attacks will destroy critical infrastructure and possibly Iran’s oil facilities, with the administration preparing Americans for the inevitability of further casualties if escalation continues ([32:14]).

NATO and Allied Limitations

• Lyons candidly assesses NATO: Many European allies, notably the British and French, lack meaningful military power for significant support; French efforts are described as self-serving ([33:59]).
• Only the U.S. (perhaps Israel) has the logistical capability for such complex rescue or military operations.

American Willingness for Casualties

• Armstrong & Getty debate America’s tolerance for casualties in modern warfare and contrast it with adversaries' willingness for mass sacrifice; warning that excessive sensitivity to losses could spell defeat ([36:36]–[38:43])

Notable Quotes

• Mike Lyons: “I have no problem with us taking that infrastructure down because that’s what it’s going to take to bring them to their knees...” ([32:01])
• Jack Armstrong: “If you’re going to war and your tolerance for loss is single digits, then we are just not capable of doing these things anymore.” ([36:36])

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4. AI, Media Gullibility, and Misinformation in Modern Life

The Bizarre Positivity of AI Chatbots

• Armstrong & Getty vent about how AI chatbots flatter and agree with users to an uncomfortable degree:
  • “I used AI a couple times over the weekend and it was so gratuitously fawning... it was making me uncomfortable.” ([19:44])
  • “If there was one thing I could change about AI it would be that—don’t do that. I hate it.” ([21:08])

AI Welfare State & Economic Implications

• Brief mention of OpenAI CEO Sam Altman’s proposal for how a “giant welfare state” driven by AI-generated wealth might function ([21:53]).
• Getty teases an imminent segment: “Line up for your AI money everybody. It's the only way you're gonna be able to feed yourself, hat in hand, begging Dario Emoji for just a couple of slices of bread.” ([39:21])

Gullibility and Fake News

• Commentary on a viral internet hoax (California man selling ‘invisibility cloaks’—actually just plastic bags), leading to a broader discussion of rampant misinformation and the fading line between truth and fiction, given the current media and social landscape ([44:10]).
• Armstrong reflects: “How many of the stories that float around on the Internet are completely fake because nobody cares about anything anymore... it confirms your prior wants and beliefs or it’s funny and then you just go with it.” ([45:16])

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5. Notable Lighter Moments

Juxtaposition of War & Easter Bunny

• Armstrong & Getty repeatedly mock the surreal image of President Trump threatening Iran while flanked by the Easter Bunny, drawing laughter and wry comments ([03:51], [25:51], [26:17]).

Miscellany

• Eaglets hatch, prompting riffing on human baby-naming culture ([42:23]).
• Armstrong bemoans wealthy Bay Area parents hiring consultants to pick baby names ([43:08]).

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Key Timestamps

• 03:13–08:12 – War with Iran, Trump’s statements, and media reactions
• 10:30–13:17 – Reactions from Greene, Owens, and the rise of public conspiracy rhetoric
• 26:17–38:43 – Interview with Mike Lyons: Military strategy, rescue missions, and U.S. allies’ roles
• 19:24–21:08 – AI chatbots and the problem of fake affirmation
• 39:14–39:35 – “Line up for your AI money”: AI and the future of economics
• 44:10–45:28 – Fake news and internet gullibility

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “Trump’s gonna Trump.” — Joe Getty ([07:43])
• “Standing next to a giant furry... it was an amazing and secret operation.” — Jack Armstrong ([22:29])
• “We do 20 hours of this every single week, which seems like an awful lot...” — Jack Armstrong ([45:33])

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Tone & Style

The tone throughout is irreverent, humorous, and probing—blending sharp satire about the surreality of contemporary politics and media with sober, deeply informed analysis on the grave matters of war, international relations, technological change, and public susceptibility to digital manipulation.

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End of Summary.

Transcript

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and G.

[Jack Armstrong]

So our country is at war. To argue whether or not it is actually a war is ridiculous. We are clearly at war with another country. And Trump said, among things yesterday, if they don't make a deal, I'm blowing up everything over there. We'll get into more of that and the deadline in a second. But just a little bit ago at the White House, Trump is standing there on the balcony. He's got the lovely Melania on one side, he's got a giant Easter bunny on the other side of him with the big smiley rabbit face, you know, and the kids mascot sort of way.

[Joe Getty]

That is an odd juxtaposition.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you gotta, you gotta picture that Easter bunny standing there for to, to really enjoy this. As Trump says it.

[Donald Trump]

So this is all about today, I must tell you. I came out and I expected we were going to be talking about farmers and we love our farmers. We were going to talk about so many different products. But you know what they want to talk about, sir? This is about eggs. Eggs. But I had a news conference and the first question, what are you going to do about eggs, sir? And they said, well, it's like, tell me what's wrong with eggs. The price was so high. It was four times higher than it was a year before, as you know, just last year. It's hard to believe. They didn't want me to order eggs for the Easter Egg Roll, the Easter egg hunt that we have here every year. They wanted me to use plastic. I said, I'm not using plastic. We'll get it solved. And within a short period of time, eggs came down. They came down 40%, 50%. And by the time we got there, we had so many eggs we didn't know what to do with them.

[Jack Armstrong]

We could picture the mascot just keeps smiling with its big head and its hands in the air.

[Joe Getty]

I'm picturing one IRGC member commander turning to the other and saying, are you watching this?

[Jack Armstrong]

The Easter bunny doesn't know what to do. He's just got his hands up, you know, like a mascot.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, everybody. Happy Easter, everybody.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, I hope the Easter egg hunt

[Joe Getty]

goes well as we're at war.

[Jack Armstrong]

As we're at war. Yeah, well, right, so.

[Joe Getty]

Hey, hey. I'm not saying he shouldn't do it. It's just an odd juxtaposition.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump did an interview with Axios yesterday and talked about these negotiations that he says are going on. Pakistan's trying to put out, put together this 45 day ceasefire between US and Iran. Trump said the negotiations are going well, but you never get to the finish line with the Iranians. There's a good chance, but if they don't make a deal, I'm blowing up everything over there. Then he put out a Truth Social post. Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day all wrapped up in one In Iran. There will be nothing like it. Many exclamation points. Open the effing straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. All caps. Praise be to Allah. I don't know that he needed to say that. President Donald J. Trump.

[Joe Getty]

That was some really effective trolling. A little sarcastic there with the praise be to Allah, but yeah, I don't

[Jack Armstrong]

know if we need to do that,

[Joe Getty]

but I don't think that helped anything.

[Jack Armstrong]

If I could take one thing out of there, I'd take that out of there. More than the F bomb.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I don't actually have much problem with that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I enjoyed the different news shows deciding how to handle the reading of the Truth Social post yesterday.

[Joe Getty]

If your children are watching, be warned the President did not use polite language. Quote, Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day all wrapped up in one. In Iran, there will be nothing like it. Open the F straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's Jake Tapper. He actually read the word. But here are the other two that I enjoyed throughout the day. In a profanity laced post, Trump demanded Iran quote, open the expletive straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Trump ended the post, praise be Allah,

[Joe Getty]

adding on Truth social. Open the effing straight, you crazy bastards,

[Jack Armstrong]

or you'll be living in hell.

[Joe Getty]

Strong words, Jack. Strong words. I don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't even know what to say anymore.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I was just contemplating whether anything needs to be said at all other than very terse kind of traditional statements. But Trump's being Trump. Trump's gonna Trump.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I laughed hard when I heard it. It's probably not the best idea, but I did laugh hard when I heard it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I just, I don't see any particular reason to antagonize Muslims.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Mike Lyons]

The.

[Jack Armstrong]

The. The Praise Allah was a bad idea. That's.

[Joe Getty]

I don't have any problem with, honestly. It's one way to handle it. It's very Trumpy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So his deadline is 5 Pacific tomorrow afternoon. Taking out all the bridges and power plants and everything like that, says Trump. And there's been no indication whatsoever that Iran has any interest in negotiating or backing down. Ann Bremmer was predicting all weekend long because it had happened several weekends in a row that Trump makes a threat on a Friday, then backs off Monday before the markets open to keep from being, you know, to boost the market. He did not do that this time. And I don't know, at some point, you gotta be prepared to follow through. My sense is that he is. He now is. He now realizes, okay, there's only one way to do this. I gotta. We gotta just blast the crap out of him until they. They finally either give in or don't exist anymore.

[Joe Getty]

Either that or. And it could be both, actually

[Jack Armstrong]

saying

[Joe Getty]

to the Europeans and the Asians, hey, all right, we did this to get them to open the strait. Now it's on you, because there's an oil shock right now rippling through Asia. Factories are cutting production to save energy. Gas stations are telling drivers they can only get half a tank. Economists say it's a sign of things to come for countries in Europe and Africa as well that also rely on imports from the Middle East. So those regions and all the countries in them are gonna have a really, really intense interest in the strait being opened. Pretty soon, Trump may decide, you know what, take over, fellas. It's on you.

[Jack Armstrong]

So to the truth social post of. What was it? You open the expletive straight, you crazy bastards. Praise be Allah. Former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who was like the poster woman for MAGA for quite a few years there, she was

[Joe Getty]

a hero at the convention. You remember that?

[Jack Armstrong]

The rnc, she tweeted out on Easter morning. This is what President Trump posted. Everyone in his administration that claims to be a Christian needs to fall on their knees and beg forgiveness from God and stop worshipping the president and intervene in Trump's madness. I know all of you and him, and he has gone insane. And all of you are complicit

[Joe Getty]

woman scorned.

[Jack Armstrong]

You need to drop to your knees and pray to God for forgiveness. And he has gone insane.

[Mike Lyons]

Hmm.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a heck of a claim.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I didn't take her very seriously when she was in office,

[Mike Lyons]

so

[Joe Getty]

I'm not going to start now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Also, crazy Candace Owens or strategic Candace Owens said this is a satanic administration. We all realize that satanic Zionists occupy the White House and Congress needs to move to have the mad King Trump removed. So once again, he's crazy. We are in uncharted territory. Leaders worldwide need to act accordingly.

[Joe Getty]

I actually had a fairly significant segment I wanted to do on Candace and conspiracy theories and what they do to people. Came across a collection of really good stuff on that. Yeah. And it always, always, always includes the Jews. In fact, I'll just give you a little tease. I think this needs to reload. Yes, of course it does. Let's see, here's the tease for her show. I think this week, or it might have been last week. This is. This is her email she puts out this week on Candace. Candace Owens cross hatches a link between BB Netanyahu, Mitt Romney, the CIA, and byu, Brigham Young University in Utah. All of this, however, ties back to the Charlie Kirk assassination and the lingering questions surrounding it. As alleged shooter Tyler Robinson's trial begins. Already filled with holes, Candace is determined to get to the truth, no matter the cost. And today she unveils significant information about the CIA. BYU has direct ties to the CIA. Candace says, I'm saying this with 100% certainty. It is not a conspiracy. One more little bit. Plus, President Trump suggests that Erica Kirk sue anyone who publicly mocks her. Candace replies, most of us welcome a lawsuit because then they would be required to give us the information we are asking for. So it's the Jews and Netanyahu and the CIA and Charlie Kirk and Erica Kirk and Mitt Romney. Did I mention byu? They're all in this together. Okay, again, more on that maybe in the hour four of the Armstrong and Getty Show. Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Interesting to have Marjorie Taylor Greene and Candace Owens both. Both calling Trump crazy. Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Right. I was thinking about the. It's over on the other side of the aisle because to whatever extent left and right matter when you're at the ends of the horseshoe. It finally occurred to me, with clarity, finally, that the Red Green alliance, the postmodernists, the neo Marxists, call them what you want, and the Islamists that Zoran Mamdani has perfected, they're both bent on overthrowing west, the west and capitalism. And it hadn't really occurred to me that the big ask from the Islamist side is, hey, super progressives, you gotta hate the Jews. That's what we need out of you. You've gotta join us in hating on the Jews and particularly hating on Israel because we Islamists consider Israel, quote unquote, part of the Muslim world and it's a terrible humiliation and repudiation of Islam that Israel even exists. So you got to help us with that. And that's why so many lunatics on the left now are with the whole anti Israel, anti Zionist, anti Jewish thing. So ugly and so stupid. Never again is happening right now around the world. I have 10 headlines from different places.

[Jack Armstrong]

Those eagles, the celebrity eagles, the eggs hatched over the weekend. We got full team coverage on that, which is necessary, of course. And we've got Mike Lyons coming up actually on a serious note to talk a little bit about the war in Iran, where things go. And like if we did unleash holy hell tomorrow, I suppose, what would that look like? Among other things coming up. Stay here.

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A rescue for a man in a mountain in Arizona. Fire officials say they recovered a hiker who had been sung more than 100 times by bees. The man had been swarmed near the site summit of a mountain in north Phoenix. He was airlifted to the hospital in critical condition. Phoenix area officials recently warned residents about increased B activity in that area.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's quite a story. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

As a person who's hiked in Arizona, I'm chilled to the bone to see

[Jack Armstrong]

that old Solomon Solomoni, that guy that we killed several years back. Was that Trump's first term that we blew him up yet? Bad guy from Iran that his. His niece was a super hottie partier in LA and got arrested over the weekend.

[Joe Getty]

I missed that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, you did? Yeah. Salmani's niece. She's like all over Instagram in bikinis and short skirts and partying like crazy and living the wildlife. She was here illegally apparently and got arrested.

[Joe Getty]

Probably ought to send me a link just so I'm, you know, up on the story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got arrested by ICE over the weekend, but so her uncle, who would, you know, participating in torturing and murdering women who refuse to cover their heads while she's in the United States and LA partying her tiny skirted ass off. That's interesting. Yeah. It almost seems like they're hypocrites or it's all a ruse or something like that.

[Joe Getty]

They use religion to ensure obedience. Huh. Amazing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. One of the AI things that I wanted to mention over the weekend, there was a article about how you have to be careful with some of the chat bots in their willingness to. To like, just confirm whatever you're saying. They try to pick up on like, what you think and tell you how smart you are.

[Joe Getty]

Man.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you use chatbots much at all, you've had this experience and the most troubling examples are the ones we've talked about a lot where you go on there and you're clearly deranged and it tells you. Yeah, no, you're. You're right to think you're the Messiah. And I think you should kill your parents. You know that that's the extremist, most extreme version of. But even like lesser, you know, I think I probably. I'm thinking about quitting my job because my boss did this and he says you're right, you should blah, blah, blah. It just. It goes along with you for whatever reason. They're. I guess they're not even sure exactly why it does that, but man, I used AI a couple times over the weekend and it was so gratuitously fawning. It was. It was making me uncomfortable. Wow. You're the. The one. The one term that really bothered your quiet confidence really shows that you. Oh, shut up. What are you trying to sell me a watch?

[Joe Getty]

You're weird.

[Mike Lyons]

Me?

[Jack Armstrong]

I know you're Quiet confidence. Don't. Don't. Don't say that.

[Joe Getty]

Judy and I were going to do a little gardening and I was trying to figure out what size a couple of pots were. And I said what size? I put a picture in. What size are these pots? I put my size large work gloves on the ground next to them to give perspective. Great referen trick. It said.

[Jack Armstrong]

Thanks, dad. Your quiet confidence by laying your gloves next to the box really shows that you.

[Joe Getty]

Why?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why does it do that? It's weird.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, no kidding.

[Jack Armstrong]

If there was one thing I could change about AI Right it would be that. Don't do that. I. I hate it. In real life, you could be trying to sell a car at a price. I want you talk to me that way. I'm leaving. I'll pay more to someone else. I mean, that's how much I hate that. Stop with that. Well, it was very perceptive of you to pick up on quit. Yeah, but they don't know why exactly that it does it.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I. I'm looking forward to hearing the. Some of the people at Anthropic think Mario Modi's crazy. Sam Altman came out with a an open AI statement on how the new giant welfare state will work. Oh really?

[Jack Armstrong]

I haven't heard this. That I want to hear.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, okay, we will get to that after what was almost certainly going to be a stimulating discussion with Mike Lyons about the situation in Iran coming up in moments.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah, the President's threatened to unleash holy hell at five o' clock west coast time tomorrow. And what would that look like? For one thing, I'll be interested in what Mike thinks of that rescue operation we pulled off over the weekend that seems by all description amazing.

[Joe Getty]

Well, the President himself said while standing next to a giant furry it was an amazing and secret operation.

[Jack Armstrong]

He said that standing next to the giant Easter Bunny.

[Joe Getty]

He did.

[Jack Armstrong]

These are odd times that had to be uncomfortable for the Easter Bunny. Okay, Mike Lyons next. If you missed the segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand

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[Donald Trump]

We are obliterating the country. And I hate to do it, but we're obliterating. And they just don't want to say uncle. They don't want to cry, as the expression goes, uncle. But they will. They don't. They'll have no bridges, they'll have no power plants, they'll have no anything. I want to. I won't go further because there are other things that are worse than those two.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that was a little bit of cognitive dissonance going on there. That is a.

[Joe Getty]

They will have no bridges, but they will have jazz music.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a President of the United States threatening a, you know, really serious military attack on a major country within 24 hours while the Easter bunny stands around and music plays in the background.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, a little disconcerting. There is so much to discuss with military analyst Mike Lyons. Let's get started. Mike, welcome. I hope you had a pleasant Easter. How are you?

[Mike Lyons]

Hi, guys. Thanks for having me. Had a great Easter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Starting here. How about that freaking, you know, we're going to talk about the open the straight, you freaking crazy bastards. But how about the freaking rescue operation that happened over the weekend? That was something, wasn't it?

[Mike Lyons]

Yeah. No words from my perspective. I mean, returning back to Iran after what happened in 1980, I mean, that looks. That just weighs so heavy. On me, it was as I go back in my career, I was, you know, back at West Point at the time when that went down and what a tragedy it was and the capability that we just didn't have, you know, back then we watched the Israelis do things like that. But the loss of the eight soldiers and sailors and airmen back then was such a tragedy. You fast forward now to what happened over the weekend and our capability to just make sure that we leave no man behind. So it just, you know, it's come full circle. What an incredible operation on all fronts and it just shows you the capability of the United States and plus the grit and determination to make sure that we keep that promise and no one is left behind.

[Joe Getty]

What struck you most about the rescue operation?

[Mike Lyons]

It's this always planning to fail, right? I mean even they know that things are to go sideways and that that is such a part now of the military operation is, you know, we just say what's going to happen if we get slimed, right? And so just the fact that they knew the C130s couldn't take off and they decide they have to bring another aircraft, they always had a backup plan to make sure that it was going to work. And that's a differentiator. When you always plan that something's going to go, you know, something's going to go wrong, then it just really makes it all the difference in the world. And it's the level of detail that we're at right now with all those kind of special ops and JSOC and what they're doing.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm gonna let you respond to this, this text we just got, which I heard this comment a lot over the weekend. I mean the rescue operation was obviously amazing, but the fact that we had to have a rescue operation. Here's the text. If we won this war the first day like Trump said, how come they're still shooting our effing planes down and holding the street, the straight closed, etc. Etc. What is your response to that?

[Mike Lyons]

Yeah, no, we didn't win it the first day. Like I said, we've degraded their military. So they have no air defense capability at scale. Right? They' tying in air defense systems with radars and shooting over the horizon and shooting our planes out in a manner before they even got close. So what's left are MANPADs, which are those shoulder fired SA7s and heat sinking type missiles. Think those kinds of operations that they have down low and let's say on the Air Force side, maybe they got a little sloppy Maybe they just didn't. They got too low and in most cases they got within the range of that and that ended up what happened here. Go back and review that and change a lot of their flight operations as well. So, so they're, they're going to have this capability, the one off capability on the ground here. And that's really what this was. It wasn't an air defense system at scale. It was one individual who got lucky that day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I was just thinking about as a percentage, first of all, I mean, you could have incredible dominance of the skies, but how many missions have we flown over Iran in the last 38 days? Thousands and thousands and thousands, right?

[Mike Lyons]

20,000 or so. Over 20,000 and over 20,000, yeah. And to have a, a 10 get shot up and still the pilot saved and this one went down. That includes the one that happened the first day when the Kuwaitis or the Qataris shot one of our F15s out of the sky when those two guys were rescued. So again, from a scale perspective, they still don't have it. They don't have any kind of capability to bring anything to dominate the airspace is what we do. But they're going to get lucky once in a while.

[Joe Getty]

And I just think that person, and I appreciate the text, but has an unrealistic view of what victory is. It doesn't mean you've eliminated every single capability to commit an act of violence. It means you've won the capitulation and the agreement that they won't anymore, which is what we're going for. Speaking of which, Mike, I was reading an analyst in the Free Press who said he's talking about the rescue operation, that the episode revealed three things. A complete, complete American military superiority on its own soil. The catastrophic failure of a surveillance architecture that Beijing had spent years and billions of dollars constructing, which I found interesting. But why I bring this up is the third point, the increasingly inescapable conclusion that the IRGC's viability as a military institution is approaching its terminal phase. Do you agree?

[Mike Lyons]

Yeah, No, I do. And you're seeing also other allies, the North Koreans, for example. Reuters was reporting this morning that North Korea is going to disassociate itself now from Iran. China, the big loser here, none of their technology worked. Their air defense systems didn't work. And right now the Iranian military is down to commercial satellite photos in order to try to target US Forces. Russia is not coming to their aid. The Chinese are not coming to their aid. So they're getting to the point where there will be no military. Now I do believe that what Trump is saying with regard to bridges and infrastructure could be the final tipping point. But we have to remember everything in that country is controlled by the irgc. Everything is a military asset. And we're going to sit there and cavil and watch politicians talk about war crimes and stuff, which is just awful. And they're just completely incorrect when it comes to those targets. I guaranteed every target that will hit and I have no problem us taking over the oil. I have no problem with us taking that infrastructure down because that's what it's going to take to bring them to their knees to finish this. That's what it's going to take.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interesting. So starting at 5 o' clock West Coast Time tomorrow, what do you expect us to, to start hitting?

[Mike Lyons]

Well, I think they'll look at targets that are clearly IRGC infrastructure based electrical targets, electrical grids and bridges. The bridges that was taken down was connecting two of the military forces there. And they're going to try to say that they have civilian applications to them. But I also think that there's a real possibility that we'll go after the oil, we'll go after Carg Island. Whether or not we've got, we've hit it enough times, I think to put troops there remains to be seen. Sure, that is the case. We'll likely look to layer some kind of attack that will go just before Carg island to make sure that IRGC can't reinforce. One thing about the pilot mission, we found out that IRGC was activating smaller units that were trying to get close every once in a while to the pilot. So again, they've got capability still on the ground. And you know, the most important number sitting on every board in the White House right now is 13, which is the total number of casualties we've had so far here. And we've become psychologically so important, you know, paralyzed about not taking casualties in some of this. If we're going to put boots on the ground in a lot of places like Cargill and our places behind the Straits, commanders are going to have to expect some losses. And I think the Trump administration would do us better if we prepared for, look, we're not going to have the kind of success that we've had in the past. There's going to be some, there's going to be some losses.

[Joe Getty]

Talking to military analyst Mike Lyons and Mike, we could talk all day about this, the relationship with NATO and whether NATO and other allies will take a significant role in reopening the Strait But I've been shocked in reading over the last several days the lack of capability of, for instance, the British Navy. What at this point can our traditional allies bring to bear and what can't they?

[Mike Lyons]

No, not a lot. This is really exposing NATO in a lot of ways, and the allies. And it's one thing if they can't send the military assets, which I think would be acceptable, but them not allowing us to fly over their airspace or not using our own bases there, I mean, that's a real hard line there. And this relationship is going to change, and I think it's going to become divided between Western Europe and Eastern Europe. As the Eastern European countries are on the side of the United States, they're spending their gdp, they recognize the threat of Russia. But what Spain and what the British and the French have done, you know, frankly, the French have cut their own separate deal with the Iranians to try to get their ships through. That's classic, you know, French foreign policy. We shouldn't expect, you know, we expect all countries to act in their own best interest. But to be an ally of France and to have them do that, you know, given what's going on right now, given the straits and where they are, it just really shows their color. So, you know, the American military has been the protector of Western Europe, you know, since the end of the Second World War, and will continue to do so. They're not going to be able jump on geography. They won't be able to disconnect from it anytime soon. And maybe Spain says, okay, we don't need to be in NATO anymore because we're the furthest distance away from Russia. The threat that doing what we're. What we think is going to happen, but it's going to be that nuclear umbrella that will always protect them.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just wanted to mention this in case you didn't see it, Mike. Over the weekend in the London Telegraph, there was an opinion piece about our rescue mission that said Britain couldn't have done it. We do not have the platforms, the satellites, the reach or the mass. Our rescue plan, if the airmen were British, would be to call the United States.

[Mike Lyons]

Yeah, and I saw that. No, for sure. And no other country. Maybe the Israelis, I mean, obviously they participated, I'm sure in some ways in this, just to bring all of the forces to bear, the planning, the equipment. And what I've noticed, too is some comments about the Europeans saying, boy, the United States is so willing to blow up their equipment and blow up their things just to save one person. That's exactly Right. You know, I saw the former CENTCOM commander make a comment that, you know, it takes one year to make an aircraft, but it takes 200 years to get a culture that says we leave nobody behind. And I always felt that way in combat, that protection of the force was always the number one priority. And that's still the case right now. And you look at those, those PJs, those guys that this is their job, the search and rescue guys, this is what they live for and what they do, they're putting everything on the line to go and do it again. It's only this country. And this is the kind of things that we should be very thankful for.

[Joe Getty]

And the guys on the other side machine gunned 40,000 of their own population because they wanted their rights. A little contrast there. Mike Lyons. Mike, thanks so much for the wisdom. We appreciate the time.

[Mike Lyons]

Great, guys, thanks for having me.

[Joe Getty]

Thanks.

[Jack Armstrong]

That conversation about the casualties I find so interesting. I was listening to the National Review podcast and they were having the discussion and it was posited, could America stand it if we try to take Carg island and we lose 25 Marines or something? And the thought was, if we are going to go to war with a top 20 military in the world and 25 is too high a number, then we are just not capable of doing these things anymore. I mean, one of the reasons is it's so hard to talk about this without sounding like you're really cold and a chicken hawk, because I'm not fighting in the war, neither is any of my family members or anything like that. But I mean, if you're going to go to war and you're like, over under for tolerance for loss of life is, you know, single digits, especially given

[Joe Getty]

the enormity of the stakes here, which is something that the media and certainly the left side of our political world is ignoring completely. I mean, this could be absolutely history changing for the entire region and the economy of the world. We certainly hope well, and just the

[Jack Armstrong]

fact that there will be other dust ups in the future. And Russia has shown that they're willing to lose a half a million men.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

China, there are quotes out there that President Xi's willing to lose a million people in pursuit of some of his goals. So that's the world that we live in.

[Joe Getty]

And Iran has killed thousands of thousands of our best and brightest. And the idea that again, with all due compassion to every individual loss, the idea that if ending that s takes some losses is just not acceptable, well, then we just need to lay down and be conquered.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or putting up with gas a dollar more expensive than you're used to for a couple months, right? Yeah, it's not very grown up way to look at the situation in the world.

[Joe Getty]

We don't want to become France. You know, it's funny, we've been saying we need to avoid becoming France for a long time in a lot of different ways. It's another example of it just so complacent, so passive, so inward looking, so unmanly. If we ever become that, we will be conquered.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can't wait to hear that AI thing that you mentioned earlier because that's a question I've been asking for a long time.

[Joe Getty]

Line up for your AI money everybody. It's the only way you're gonna be able to feed yourself, hat in hand, begging Dario Emoji for just a couple of slices of bread.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fantastic. That's a good tease. Among other things on the way.

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[Joe Getty]

and waiting for the parents to name them. Do eagles do that? Please, you stupid humans.

[Jack Armstrong]

We have to hire baby naming consultants. Remember when we had that story? When? My God, that was 16 years ago is when I was we were naming our son that I found out that in the Bay Area rich people were hiring. Did you do this, Katie? Did you hire a baby naming consultant to figure out the name of your kid? I'm insulted you asked me. Of course I'm kidding.

[Joe Getty]

But how'd you come up with Jack, Joe, Mike, Michael,

[Jack Armstrong]

different ways people can live. It's amazing. Either sit around and talk about can we name him after my my dad

[Joe Getty]

or your dad or.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've always liked this name. No, no. You hire a baby naming consultant at great expense and get a spreadsheet and go ahead, knock yourself out. Coming up. Speaking.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, speaking of next hour, Gavin Newsom's wife. The gift that just keeps giving Jennifer Siebel nuisance and woke nut job. Also major AI company out with a plan for how everybody's not going to starve when we get to artificial superior intelligence super intelligence.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I was all ready to go on this story and then it got ruined for me.

[Joe Getty]

Oh no. Oh, stay with us. If you can't stay with us, grab it by podcast later. Armstrong and Getty on Demand. You should follow us or subscribe.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course. We live in a world where you can't really come up with anything so crazy that it might not be true anymore. It's just. It's impossible. The headline was California man caught selling invisibility cloaks that turned out to be simple plastic bags. He was he convinced buyers that he had access to real invisibility clothes. People reportedly paid expecting something extraordinary, but investigators claim there are nothing more than ordinary plastic bags. But apparently this is not a real story. So I went for more details and it said it's floating around on the Internet but it's. It's fake. How many of the stories that float around on the Because I've been holding on this for a couple of weeks. How many stories floating around the Internet are completely fake because nobody cares about anything anymore, including important things? You just click on what is either sounds it confirms your prior wants and beliefs or it's funny and then you just go with it. Right?

[Joe Getty]

Right. Yeah, I've been fooled a couple of times lately

[Jack Armstrong]

and those truth world you almost don't even want to check because it's more fun to just go with it. So I think that's the future anyway.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. That story absolutely could be true. Crazier things than that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely. The guy in the picture though is pretty good. He had the meth mustache and everything in a mullet. Everything you'd expect out of a guy who's selling plastic bags as invisibility clothes. That's fantastic. We do 20 hours of this everything single week, which seems like an awful lot if you miss a segment or an hour. Get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand. For instance. We have amazing stuff coming up in our four, as Joe already mentioned. Right.

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And you will automatically get the Armstrong and Getty One more thing podcast, which

[Jack Armstrong]

sometimes includes swears it's going to be a good one. Today I've got a good story about something I overheard at urgent care yesterday. So. Oh my, that'll be a good one.

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