Man's Inhumanity to Man

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – “Man’s Inhumanity to Man”
Date: June 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this dynamic episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty tackle the far-reaching topic of “Man’s Inhumanity to Man” across a range of stories—fraud, fake scientific studies, nonprofit scams, modern art skepticism, and the addictive spread of sports gambling. The pair mix humor and skepticism, dissecting recent news items that exemplify human folly and moral lapses, always with their trademark blend of incredulity and wit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Security Breaches and Social Engineering

• [02:39] Jack recounts an NBA game where a fan made it onto the court for a selfie, raising concerns about event security.
• [03:23] Joe and Jack discuss how easy it can be to bypass security with simple props like a makeshift press badge.
  • Quote: “If you have a laminated picture of yourself, you can go pretty much anywhere. Nobody could do that on their own, right?” – Jack Armstrong [03:59]

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2. Manipulation of Data in Social and Political Controversies

• [04:07] Joe opens with a quote from James Lindsay, warning about the use of blatant lies in ideological manipulation—specifically, in recent transgender debates:
  • Quote: “Marxists just lie. They lie so overtly and blatantly that people begin to question their own perceptions. It works because no one expects another person to lie so overtly. They don’t believe in shared truth. … For Marxists, dialogue is not a way of obtaining truth. It is a forum for manipulation.” – Joe Getty [04:38]
• [06:00-11:34] They tear into the Trevor Project’s “72% suicide risk” study often cited in legislative debates about transgender youth and gender-affirming care:
  • The cited increase in teen suicide risk is shown to hinge on a miniscule Idaho sample that was statistically meaningless and unrelated to actual trans healthcare policy.
  • Quote: “It’s lies dressed up as science. … But that launched … a thousand sets of terrified parents who didn’t dare say ‘wait a minute’…” – Joe Getty [09:22]
• Memorable Moment: The pair discuss how easy it is to create a viral statistic that drives national policy without scrutiny—comparing it to the infamous “turtle straw” ban rooted in a dubious term paper. [10:13]

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3. Fraud in Government and Nonprofits

• [12:02] Breaking news: President Trump names Todd Blanch as Attorney General, launching a national crackdown on fraud.
  • Massive indictments promised at every level of government.
  • Quote: “This is something that’s long overdue at every level of government across the country.” – Jack Armstrong [12:04]
• [25:54-29:32] Fraud in healthcare:
  • Federal bust of a $30 million scam billing for children's behavioral health services is highlighted with disgust.
  • Quote: “You’re freaking stealing from these poor parents and these poor kids and driving around in a Maserati. You should be executed.” – Jack Armstrong [29:22]
• [32:19-38:29] Nonprofit grift exposé:
  • California and especially San Francisco are spotlighted for runaway nonprofit abuse—with $1.63B annually poured into local organizations, many paying themselves handsomely while achieving little.
  • Quote: “The salaries are the profit. The benefits are the profit. You get a car, travel is the profit.” – Joe Getty [35:01]
  • Jack and Joe mock the absurdity of nonprofit accountability, emphasizing how “nonprofit” is incorrectly seen as a stamp of virtue—“People throw that term around as if it is a solid stamp of goodness.” – Jack Armstrong [38:02]

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4. Modern Art and Cultural Cynicism

• [17:08-22:10] Jack describes his struggle to appreciate modern art, referencing Steve Martin’s collection and pondering the line between creative genius and meaningless schlock.
  • Quote: “Me and Hitler—the only thing we have in common is we both hate modern art, think it’s a charade…” – Jack Armstrong [17:23]
  • They riff on art ideas (vacuum cleaner with dirt = “Now what?”, a box of nothing = “Man’s Inhumanity to Man”) and joke about the permissiveness of modern art.
  • Quote: “Bananas taped to walls, etc.” – Joe Getty [19:00]
  • Memorable moment: “A bunch of unassembled bicycle parts in a pile. Man’s Inhumanity to Man.” – Jack Armstrong [21:16]
  • Both poke fun at art institutions, referencing an enormous porcelain Michael Jackson statue witnessed at MoMA. [21:20]

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5. Fraud Schemes—Profiles and Outrage

• [29:49-32:09] Discussion shifts to specific high-profile fraudsters on the FBI’s most-wanted list, including a woman who disappeared with $32M in COVID relief and a man vanished after stealing $10M via fake investments.
  • Jack notes these offenders are unlikely to ever be caught: “He’s living a wonderful life in some other part of the world, I’m guessing.” [31:24]

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6. Sports, Gambling, and Old Boundaries

• [40:47-43:39] Jack marvels at how openly NBA broadcasts now promote betting odds and partnerships with gambling companies—once strictly forbidden.
  • Quote: “I was amazed at how many times during the finals of the NBA last night they … promote gambling on it as it’s happening.” – Jack Armstrong [41:47]
  • Joe references “Chesterton’s fence,” the once-clear line between gambling and pro sports, now erased to everyone’s peril.
  • Quote: “If you let gambling get anywhere close to these sports leagues … you can no longer immediately recognize, whoa, there’s a human being in the zone.” – Joe Getty [43:32]

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7. Quick Hits & Closing Notes

• [44:39] Joe mentions Harvard Divinity School’s new poetry magazine devoted to “queerness and Palestinian liberation,” promising to read a sample poem on a future segment.
  • Quote: “Poems don’t rhyme, they suck.” – Jack Armstrong [44:45]

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Notable Quotes

• On Statistical Manipulation:
  “If you can come up with a stat to back your argument, nobody checks where that came from or the validity of it and you can get a lot done.” – Jack Armstrong [10:13]

• On Nonprofit Scams:
  “The government takes taxpayers, it hands money … the cronies then do just enough work to barely justify their existence. But then they keep the money and in return they turn out the vote every single time. So the machine stays in power.” – Joe Getty [37:01]

• On Gambling in Sports:
  “That’s why we used to keep the… Chesterton’s fence … If you let gambling get anywhere close to these sports leagues, … it should be an entirely neutral zone, a demilitarized zone.” – Joe Getty [42:57]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Security Breach & Social Engineering: 02:39–04:07
• Fake Transgender Suicide Study & Policy: 04:07–11:41
• Nationwide Anti-Fraud Crackdown Announced: 12:02–12:26
• Medical and Behavioral Healthcare Fraud: 25:54–29:32
• Nonprofit Corruption & California Example: 32:09–38:29
• Modern Art Skepticism & Cultural Satire: 17:08–22:10
• Gambling’s Invasion into Sports: 40:47–43:39

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Episode Tone

Cynical, irreverent, but urgent—a combination of frustrated outcry (“You should be executed!”), wry cultural snark (“My kid could do that”), with enough humor to keep it compelling.

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For Listeners Skipping the Episode:
This episode is a crash course in cultural and governmental skepticism: Don’t trust viral studies or “peer-reviewed” statistics at face value, and don’t assume that nonprofits are automatically virtuous (especially in California!). Fraud is everywhere—from bogus medical billing to multi-million dollar government scams, and even the integrity of sports is under siege by the encroachment of gambling. Armstrong & Getty urge listeners to think like skeptics—whether the topic is modern art or public policy “facts,” dig deeper, and don’t accept the surface narrative.

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[End of summary]

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nick Lee, a fan just ran on the floor, wants to take a selfie. Security quickly takes him away. Crowd gives him the appropriate move. You saw the security guard in pursuit Mitchell Robinson. Like what's this dude doing? Scott Forson gonna come over and explain it to us. So I thought, wow, somebody could actually get clear to the middle of the court to a player before a security guard stops him. How do you have access like that?

[Joe Getty]

What are you gonna do, build a fence? Walls.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you'd have to be either. Had to have a really, really expensive ticket or be a media person or something. I guess.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Although I have.

[Jack Armstrong]

I have a friend. She. She went to like a Final Four NCAA game because the school she went to, UConn made it to the Final Four that year and she wanted to go, so she made, she got a lanyard and made with the little plastic thing, a thing that said press with her picture on it. And she just walked in and sat like right there under the basket with a camera.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Really wasn't even that many years ago.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, man, I've been grilled at smaller events than that. That's crazy.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know, isn't it?

[Joe Getty]

So I would say all about the

[Jack Armstrong]

lanyard and the laminated picture. If you have a laminated picture of yourself, you can go pretty much anywhere. Nobody could do that on their own, right?

[Joe Getty]

I'm going to begin the following discussion with the quote, one of my favorites from James Lindsay Marx, Take two. If you screw up the first word, I mean, by God, that is just a bad sign.

[Jack Armstrong]

You start into a long story. Kids, before you leave the dinner table, I've got a story for you.

[Joe Getty]

It's very important.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is one of the most important things that ever happened in my life. Blinchka. Ah, crap. Dammit.

[Joe Getty]

All right, here we go. Day two. Marxists just lie. They lie so overtly and blatantly that people begin to question their own perceptions. It works because no one expects another person to lie so overtly. They don't believe in shared truth. They use words as weapons. Until you learn to keep this in mind during every interaction, you will continue to get played. They rely on you implicitly, assuming that they have good intentions and are aiming at shared truth. And so dialogue can be productive. That's a deception. For Marxists, dialogue is not a way of obtaining truth. It is a forum for manipulation. Having said that, we have all those of us concerned with the whole transgender craze amongst adolescents and the terrible medical experiments that were done to these poor, confused kids, many of them autistic or abused or whatever. We've all been acutely aware of the famous famous study that was authored by researchers from the Trevor Project that said if your kid is not affirmed in their gender change, they will kill themselves. And that horrible threat was repeated so many Times to so many poor confused parents who thought well would you rather have a dead son or alive daughter? They were asked over and over.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, and that's tough. Especially in the early going of this story when not as much was known told. Look, there's been a study done. Experts have proven they would say that your child is at high risk to commit suicide unless you go through with this. That that's a tough position to put a parent in.

[Joe Getty]

Well, researchers, researchers have gotten hold of the the study and the raw data attached to it and finally been able to take this quote unquote study apart. And what, what it was studying was rates of self reported suicide attempts. We're talking to 13 to 17 year olds from before and after so called anti transgender laws were passed in respondent states and pre legislation it was 0.54 per whatever. 100,000 researchers set specific time periods following the implementation of laws in treatment states to track the estimated increase in reported suicide attempts that could be linked to said laws. I'm going to skip some of the technical stuff, but they noted the Trevor project researchers and there ought to be quotes around that they're activists noted an approximately 72% rise in attempted suicide attempts, average suicide attempts from 0.54 to 0.93. This in turn appears to have driven the group's public messaging regarding a large statistical increase in suicides among transgender and non binary youth. If there was an unless there was an affirmation only approach, blah blah blah quote. Enacting state level anti transgender laws increased incidents of past year suicide attempts among TGNB young people by 7 to 72%. Our findings highlight the need to consider the mental health impact of recent anti transgender laws and to advance protective policies meaning affirming only. And they use this like a cudgel now for years. If you get into the actual data, virtually the entire increase in suicides was in Idaho. Using an extremely small sample size that statistically if you go from 2 to 3, that's a 50% rise. It's a shocking rise. And what's even crazier about leaning on Idaho and those numbers was that there were only two laws in Idaho even remotely related to transgender status, including HB 500 which banned males from participating in female sports and HB 509, a law concerning how sex is recorded on birth certificates. Neither of these laws banned or even addressed procedures or treatments for gender dysphoric youth. So you've got a tiny sample size of one state correlation, not causation. And it was such a small number it might have just been the phenomenon which is just established psychological science at this point. Teen suicides tend to run in clusters and so there's absolutely correlation but no causation here. And then they compared apples to oranges or it was just. It's absolutely scientifically completely invalid. It's. To get back to the James Lindsay quote, it's lies dressed up as science. It's unsupportable scientifically. But that launched God, maybe not a thousand, but damn close to it. A thousand sets of terrified parents who didn't dare say wait a minute, my kid's alienated and confused and autistic and all. But oh, you don't think it's the bottom of the.

[Jack Armstrong]

You don't think it's a thousand? I'll bet it's well more than that.

[Joe Getty]

It could be 50,000.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I really don't know. But the Trevor Project's claim has been cited hundreds of times in defense of looser restrictions on so called gender affirming treatments for youth patients. In legislatures, in the press, all over the place.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you can come up with a stat to back your argument, nobody checks where that came from or the validity of it and you can get a lot done. And certainly in the years that we've been doing this radio show, we've seen that over and over again, whether it's the nine year old kid and the straws with the turtle right, where states ban straws because of that. I mean all you need is a stat. It doesn't. You might as well just make it up on a thin air. I mean it's barely more ridiculous than a nine year old term paper or an instance of a couple of people in Idaho. Why even go through the trouble of having it be that real?

[Joe Getty]

And as James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose and Peter Boghossian so hilariously illustrated with their fake studies for your grievance studies papers, if you dress it up to look like a legitimate scientific study or paper something like that, then nobody questions it. And what's really shocking about this fake study is that it made it to the Supreme Court. The plaintiffs last year in that United States v. Scormetti, which ultimately upheld Tennessee's law banning puberty blockers and hormone therapy for minors. The plaintiff cited the Trevor Project's peer reviewed study and it's 72% statistic right

[Jack Armstrong]

there at the Supreme Court.

[Joe Getty]

A scientific joke of a study.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's frustrating.

[Joe Getty]

It is. It lets you know, which is why I started with the quote. I did let you know what you're up against. These people are cultists in their utter lack of desire to examine their own, you know, precepts and claims. Anyway, enough said.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got some kind of breaking news. The likely new Attorney General Todd Blanch, as named by President Trump, has announced a massive crackdown on fraud, all kinds of indictments, defendants, many, many millions of dollars. This is something that's long overdue at every level of government across the country. We can touch on that story and a whole bunch of other stuff. Stay here.

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my mom and dad living in Orange county when we bring my five and seven year old to visit, we are sometimes in for a two hour drive that could feel like 10.

[Joe Getty]

Oh.

[Parent 2]

As an avid camper I know all about this. We'll pack up the RV and know this is either going to be the trip of a lifetime or a complete disaster.

[Parent 1]

Which is why we load up the iPads with Lingokids before we even pull out of the driveway.

[Parent 2]

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bizarre incident unfolding just after 9pm on Saturday with a suspect showing up at a TSA checkpoint at the Sacramento airport. Authorities say Kymani Jones was wearing a scarf covering his face and a latex gloves. When they check Jones's carry on bag, they say they allegedly discovered this explosive device, a lighter as well as a knife, scissors, more blades and zip ties. According to the tsa, if the explosive device had detonated next to a window, it could have caused significant damage and a loss of cabin pressure. If convicted, Jones faces a maximum five years in prison. FBI says Jones has a history of paranoia.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, so that's a complete nut job. I mean you show up with a scarf around your face and rubber gloves on to go through tsa. So you're not exactly with it with

[Joe Getty]

all your tools of hijack or damage.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, if you're Mayhem 101 kit in

[Joe Getty]

your bag labeled still in the package.

[Jack Armstrong]

But as Noah Rothman told us yesterday, author of Blood in Progress, when they recorded a podcast about left wing violence, I don't know what this guy's violence was. I think it was probably just crazy person violence. But crazy people have changed history. So yeah, doesn't matter where you're crazy or not, if you take out a president or whatever, whatever, that changes history. All these big wigs in the Justice Department in the Trump administration having a press conference right now, big crackdown on fraud. We're going to talk about that next segment a little bit. Some of the things they said. And I got a great piece from the California Post about nonprofits. It's time to completely unmask the whole

[Joe Getty]

nonprofit charade and non governmental organizations, NGOs.

[Jack Armstrong]

Different topic though. I am making an effort to open My mind about modern art. I've been on this. I've been on this for a week or so now.

[Joe Getty]

I don't remember what got me started on it exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I have. Are you familiar with the frame? There might be other companies that make it, but Samsung makes one called the Frame. I saw it at Best Buy the first time and I thought, what a great idea. It's a tiny, very, very thin television, but you can mount it on your wall. It looks like a picture and then there's a subscription thing you sign up for and you pick out different art and it looks like you got framed art on your wall. And then you can change it up is what I like so much. As opposed to being invested in one thing on that wall, I can keep changing it in different stuff. That's what I like. And I've always gone with, like, real art, in my opinion. But I was. Me and Hitler. The only thing we have in common is we both hate modern art, think it's a charade, but I've been trying to. I've been watching. Oh, I know what it was. I just got randomly fed a video on YouTube because it figured out my algorithm or whatever. Steve Martin, the comedian is one of the great correct collectors of art in the world. He's got like a hundred million dollars with a. With of art. Wow. Oh, it's a tremendous collection. They display it at various art museums around the world where they'll have the Steve Martin collection being on display at any given time. He's super into it. But anyway, he had a. It was a YouTube video of him explaining modern art with somebody, an art teacher, and discussing what this and that and everything. You know, I ought to. I ought to try to learn more about this. So I'm attempting to. But what I can't tell is how you tell the difference between something that's just crap and something that is meaningful. I'm not there yet. Not even close.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I do like a lot of abstract art and maybe modern art. The problem is I find the permission structure a bit too wide, too broad for modern art. Bananas taped to walls, etc.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. The. The famous du Camp. Is that the guy with the toilet, way back 100 years ago, kind of kicked off this whole craze with that sort of stuff. Yeah, abstract art, modern art. I don't know. I don't know how you tell the difference. I don't. I don't know how you get your brain to work in such a way that you are just amazed by what you see versus the common expression that everybody says. I think there are books with this title. My kid could do that. Because it often looks like you're. What's the difference? In fact, there was one study where they took a bunch of people's like kindergarten kids art and then actual artists art and gave it to art professionals. And how often they could tell the difference. And they usually could tell the difference, but not always. And I feel like it should be closer to always.

[Joe Getty]

All right, everybody has to come up with a modern nerd idea. Here's mine real quick. It's a vacuum cleaner with a pile of dirt on top of the vacuum cleaner. And it's entitled. Now what?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good one.

[Joe Getty]

Makes you think about time and space and vacuum cleaners. I haven't finished the description.

[Jack Armstrong]

Henry had a big cardboard box with nothing in it that he was going to be his art. He tried to sell it on ebay. Didn't get any takers, but philistines. And it was just the idea of, you know, wondering what's in the box. Could be anything. And all the different things that could be in the box and that sort of thing.

[Joe Getty]

I like it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Michael, you got one for us?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I do. A young child staring straight at the television. The title is A Boy's Obsession. It's just a kid just staring away.

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Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Makes you stop and think.

[Jack Armstrong]

I only have one title. And then you can apply it to whatever you want it to. Me, I've always had the same title. Yeah. Man's Inhumanity to Man. I've always liked that title. Just for anything.

[Joe Getty]

A bunch of bicycle.

[Jack Armstrong]

A bunch of unassembled bicycle parts in a pile. Man's Inhumanity to Man.

[Joe Getty]

Perfect.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Banana tape to a mango taped to the wall. Man's Inhumanity to Man. Of course, the one piece of modern art that I'll never forget. I was at The San Francisco MoMA, the Museum of Modern Art. The giant porcelain Michael Jackson with a ch.

[Jack Armstrong]

Chimp.

[Joe Getty]

Sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

It was enormous. It was right in the middle of the room.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. That's on display in Los Angeles at whichever museum.

[Joe Getty]

They don't want to give me credit for anything. I just did, you freak.

[Jack Armstrong]

But like, I was listening to somebody explain how Jackson Pollock, the famous splatter painter, you know, those were very deliberate. That wasn't just haphazard. It was all kinds of. And I've. I've watched videos of him doing it, and it sure looks haphazard. Doesn't look like he's putting a lot of thought into it as he runs around splattering paint.

[Joe Getty]

That's how good he was.

[Jack Armstrong]

He made it look effortless.

[Joe Getty]

Apparently if you had any culture, you'd appreciate it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trying to do something about fraud. Good luck. But at least they're trying. Stay tuned.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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I got yelled at by a bill collector the other day who was wrong. He was just wrong. When did they call you back and apologize and say sorry for using that tone of voice where I acted like you were some sort of scumbag when turns out we were wrong. I realize they deal with scumbags all the time, so they probably get a certain attitude, but sometimes you're wrong. Sometimes you call people and that bill is paid and then I, you know, got them back. Say, here's the information, here's the date it was paid, here's the receipt, right? There's no sorry for yelling at you like that. Anyway, the medical stuff, that's the tough one is all the medical bills floating around and you don't and sometimes, at least as I've been told, if you don't pay it right away because they try to get you to pay it before the insurance pays it and sometimes if you don't pay it right away, then the insurance pays it. That whole game is complicated. Then you, you pay the big chunk, but then there's another $80 with some other entity somewhere that exists.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And you're thinking I paid this already

[Jack Armstrong]

or you never heard of the company before. So you get a text saying you owe $82 for the. Okay, is this a, is this real or is this one of the 8 million fraudulent using Cogni, you know, bill collector fraud schemes or whatever it is. Anyway, in the modern world, it's tough to tell. Big press conference they just had right now with the new acting attorney general who might end up being the attorney general. Trump announced him. Todd Blanch is his pick to be attorney general on. They're going to crack down on fraud and make this really big thing. So they went out there and he was there and Cash Patel was there and he announced the 10 most wanted fraudsters in America. Which I'm going to hit you with a couple of those here in just a second or whatever. But Dr. Oz was there and had one particular example of fraud.

[Investigative Reporter]

I was visiting a facility called Labelle Home Health is run by woman Najumi Tatsing. You may not see her here today because she's in jail. And she went to jail because she was accused and convicted of taking billing practices to a level we had not seen before. She was billing for people who are deceased. Billing for dead people is a bad looking court. And it showed at her conviction when she was accused and appropriately taken out for doing things that we find reprehensible. Now, she was the only one we wouldn't be here in force. Unfortunately, this area around Columbus is responsible in Franklin county for one third of

[Joe Getty]

all of the one and a half

[Investigative Reporter]

billion dollars spent on home health care in Ohio.

[Jack Armstrong]

Home health care is a huge one. This just breaking on CBS News. Federal authorities have busted what they say is a $30 million fraud conspiracy involving billing for children's behavioral health services. What a gold mine that is for fraud counseling. Yep. Oh my God.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And there are aspects of state and federal laws. I usually don't bring the stories to you because they're fairly dry and I don't want to discourage everybody to death. But some of the, the legal, according to the letter of the law, exploitations of the public teat run into the hundreds of millions of Dollars and are never at all what Congress or the state legislature intended. As I said, I came up with this about six months ago. America's. What would you call it, the welfare state is a giant fraud network that occasionally helps out the needy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Yeah. I wish everybody could get on board with that. As I've been saying for years, I don't understand why progressives don't want to crack down on fraud just as much as fiscal conservatives so that that money can actually be used for the things that you care about more than I care about. You're the ones that care about the downtrodden. I would think you would want the money to be spent on the downtrodden and not stolen. But for whatever reason, the left is fine or isn't. Has never been as animated about trying to root this stuff out. Doesn't make sense. I want to keep my money. I don't care about the downtrodden that much. I want my money to stay with me. I earned it. I went to work. You're the one who cares about all these different people, so I would think you would want the money to get to them.

[Joe Getty]

I just think they. They believe that pointing out fraud or admitting fraud is to indict the program in general, and so they just pretend it's hummingbird.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you're wrong.

[Joe Getty]

It makes no sense. It's immoral. It's disgusting.

[Jack Armstrong]

So on this one, there's different kinds of fraud. It's all bad, but, man, some of them are extra bad. Like this one, the one with the Children's behavioral health services. Four defendants busted in an investigation. Fourteen vehicles, including a Maserati, a Mercedes, a Bentley, a McLaren. So these scumbags are not only stealing money from you, but they're living just a ridiculous. What are you doing driving a Bentley and a McLaren when you're stealing from parents who sent your kids there attending summer camps, church groups, rec programs, and everything like that, for all kinds of different psychotherapy around autism or OCD or anxiety or depression or all these problems that a lot of us have with our kids. And you're freaking stealing from these poor parents and these poor kids and driving around in a Maserati. You should be executed.

[Joe Getty]

Thanks for taking my money.

[Jack Armstrong]

I want capital punishment for those people. You are the scummiest of scumbags.

[Joe Getty]

And where there is third party payment, there is theft and fraud, and the government's a third party. Everybody knows it. It's discouraging. I. I love this. This is one of my favorite things the Trump administration has done. Yeah, Go crazy. Take, take this all the way to the wall. See how much you can get done.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Cash Patel was up there and first of all, just one of my little jihads have been doing for years. Hey, government people. This. Whoever invented this idea of you have a press conference and you spend the first 15 minutes congratulating each other.

[Bare Knuckle Fighting Announcer]

Stop.

[Jack Armstrong]

You want to do that behind closed doors or you want to do that at the end? Go ahead. But those of us who pay your salaries and are paying your organization want to know what's going on. Tell us that. Do the congratulations in the back slapping later. Hate that Cash Patel. And they all, they went on for 15 minutes. Also like to thank the assistant director is doing a really good job. Okay, whatever. I finally got around to the information. So the FBI announced the top 10 fraudsters out there. They always have a list going. It's kind of like the 10 most wanted. But this is particularly around fraud. I just click. I just clicked on a couple at random just to see what they were. Here's this woman, a young attractive woman, Elaine Esco, who's disappeared. She's wanted for obtaining over $32 million in federal COVID 19 relief funds.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

She and a couple other people submitted more than 90 fraudulent applications for funds from the paycheck protection program. That's funny. I got a friend with an actual business who actually needed protection and had to jump through all kinds of hoops and made it almost impossible for him to get the money. Anyway, this woman and her four friends stole $32 million that they didn't deserve or need at all. These people have disappeared, these fraudsters that are on the list, this guy, Christopher Burns, he defrauded victims out of $10 million and he disappeared in 2020. Last he was seen, he left his home in 2020, the day before he was supposed to turn over documents to the SEC and has never been seen again. That's six and a half years ago. You'll never see him again. Yeah, he's living a wonderful life in some other part of the world, I'm guessing. Anyway, his scheme was he allegedly falsely told victims he was investing their money in a peer to peer lending program and the loans are backed by collateral. Apparently he did not have the collateral. All he was doing was stealing their money. But how do you do that to the tune of $10 million? That's really quite amazing.

[Joe Getty]

So, okay, this is. So they're taking on private fraud as well as fraudulently bilking taxpayer programs.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, all kinds of fraud. All kinds of.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting, but I Wanted. I love it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wanted to get to this. I'll find it here. The nonprofit state. This was from the California Post they put out last night about how California leads the America like we do in so many different things. Sometimes we lead America by being the worst in America. For instance, that business climate, the nonprofit states, the. The fraudsters have perfected nonprofits in the state of California and a whole bunch of them are getting cracked down on. Finally there are in San Francisco, particularly the mayor of San Francisco, the guy that helped clean up the streets and. And get so many of the homeless people off the streets and all that sort of stuff and, and change the direction when people got. Finally got fed up. Is trying to crack down on all these different nonprofits that they've got going on that are.

[Joe Getty]

Are.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are crap. Mayor Lurie trying to trim the city budget. Hundreds of nonprofit organizations across San Francisco rake in $1.63 billion annually. That's one city just in San Francisco. $1.63 billion for things like as it says here in the California Post, hosting street fairs next to open drug markets in the Tenderloin, giving free money to undocumented immigrants, repairing historic harms is one of them. Is one of your nonprofits.

[Joe Getty]

I'd be great at that.

[Jack Armstrong]

$1.7 billion for all these different non profits. And then it goes through some of the expenses of these non profits. A lot of the non profit money goes to staff. That's where a ton of this goes. And some non profits. Almost all the money goes to staff. Using my finger. The Dream Keeper initiative, for example. That is supposed to. That sounds good. How could you be against something called the Dreamkeeper Initiative and everybody that works for the non profit. They're not in it for profit. They're in here to help black residents of San Francisco. They spent $6 million in on other things like a trip to Martha's Vineyard for everybody, spa days for execs, a bulk order of employees, children, books. Just one of them. Wrote a book, then ordered gazillion copies of it at the money of the nonprofit.

[Bare Knuckle Fighting Announcer]

Anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's all kinds of examples of that. I'm hoping the whole nonprofit world is finally being exposed for what it is. And you have to be an actual nonprofit with a lot of scrutiny on you to survive this wave of nonprofit. You don't get to just say that anymore. And I automatically assume you're doing good stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Please. The salaries are the profit. The benefits are the profit. You get a car, travel is the profit. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wake up, America.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

get in the way of this sort of thing, I wish I would have several years ago tried the whole nonprofit thing or one of those frauds just to see to pull it off as like a hobby, you know, you come up with a name like George Costanza's Human Fund or something like that and you have a one sheet about all the good things you're going to do and then you apply to something or you go to speak at a Rotary Club or whatever the hell you do to get these things going. And money starts flowing your way and you drive around in a nice car. I'm the CEO of this non profit. I gotta get. I want. I'm supposed to walk places, I gotta have a car. It just happens to be a McLaren and I need to travel to various places to talk to other groups that do similar work as me. What am I supposed to walk there? Of course I need to fly and I got long legs. I need to sit in first class and I need a nice bed so I get a good night's sleep to go to the conference. So I'm staying in a nice hotel

[Joe Getty]

and I'm managing a hell of a lot of money. So of course I make 400k a year on top of the rest of the stuff. I was lucky, I guess, that I think I'm pretty Sure. It was my dad who explained to me when, excuse me, I guess I was a teenager growing up in Chicagoland, how the whole nonprofit thing works that the government takes taxpayers, it hands money, taxpayers money hands it to the cronies. The cronies then do just enough work to barely justify their existence. But then they keep the money and in return they turn out the vote every single time. So the machine stays in power. And so, heck, from before, I like kissed a girl, you know, effectively, I knew what that looked like. Which unfortunately puts me in a very, very small minority of people. Because I think the nonprofit is one of those scams. It's like socialism. You have to knock it back every single generation because it seems attractive on its face. And nobody goes beyond that. Nobody digs any deeper.

[Jack Armstrong]

People throw that term around as if it is a solid stamp of goodness. What's a nonprofit? Oh, okay.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. All right. Oh my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

$1.7 billion going out to nonprofits just in San Francisco. How much of that is legitimate? Making the world a better place. People not drawing exorbitant salaries or getting a car or all the stuff we were just talking about.

[Joe Getty]

Remember when Gavin Newsom admitted that they didn't even have a mechanism for weighing the effectiveness on of so called homeless programs? That wasn't an oversight, folks. That was intentionally.

[Jack Armstrong]

You laugh, I laugh. An NBA player just got busted for gambling. I meant to talk about that because some of the ads they had for gambling during the finals game last night. Anyway, lots to talk about. Stay here.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

it's now 12 consecutive wins for the Knicks as they take Game 1 of the NBA Finals, their seventh consecutive road game. One of the great playoff runs in NBA history is still alive. Yeah, I'd say 12 straight. What's interesting is how much, how loud that crowd was. Usually you win on an opponent's court and it's like a library in there. There's a lot of Knicks fans in that crowd in San Antonio that made the trip, apparently including Timothy Chalamet. I didn't want to mention a sports thing about this, just a, a gambling thing. So I just saw a headline. Some NBA player I never heard of, it's going to have to forfeit his entire salary from last year, $2 million or something like that, because he was involved in some sort of gambling ring. Anywho, it used to be it was just such a great separation between any sort of gambling and sports broadcasts because they didn't want them to touch in any way whatsoever because it would taint the product or possibly in people's minds, think, blah, blah, blah. And obviously, as we all know, it's gone the other direction. I was amazed at how many times during the finals of the NBA last night they, you know, give a guy stats and say, let's take a look at the draft king product projections. Oh, they had Wemby at 10 rebounds for the game and he's already halfway there. So that would be a good, you know, bet. I mean, it's during the game they're promoting gambling on it as it's happening.

[Joe Getty]

Hard to believe given the riveting excitement of televised golf, but yeah, they do the same thing in golf. You know, Jones is too back right now. He's +432 at, you know, whatever Caesars, whatever the hell. Fairly regular updates during the telecast.

[Jack Armstrong]

How did it change that much money?

[Joe Getty]

Money I think the leagues are reckoning with. Oh, that's why we used to keep the. How could I possibly forget this? I refer to it on a weekly basis. Chesterton's fence. Whose fence was it? Chesterton?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, there are many fences, but that is offense.

[Joe Getty]

That's the most relevant one to this discussion. Certainly they've realized why Chesterton's fence was there. If you let gambling get anywhere close to these sports leagues, it's almost like, you know, it's just. Well, I did. It'd take too long to spell out the metaphor, but it should be an entirely neutral zone, a demilitarized zone where there's no human beings allowed. Because once you allow two to three to four sorts of human beings to be allowed in that zone, you can no longer immediately recognize, whoa, there's a

[Jack Armstrong]

human being in the zone.

[Joe Getty]

And that's the way it was for gambling and sports. And now. Oh, man, do they have problems.

[Jack Armstrong]

One more sports to note. The high.

[Joe Getty]

Do we know what this guy was doing? Point shaving?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Investigative Reporter]

Whatever.

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

The highest paid athlete in the world, Shohei Otani for the Los Angeles Dodgers. He hits and pitches at hall of fame level. Six more scoreless innings last night. He has a 0.74 ERA at this point in the season. 10 starts, third lowest ERA this far in a season since 1913.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

As a guy who's hitting over.300, wow, that is amazing.

[Joe Getty]

13 was the raccoon guts ball era, where the ball. There were not many home runs. Oh, boy. Can't wait to talk about the new what. What do they call this? It's a poetry magazine from the New Harvard Divinity School Project.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

That's devoted to queerness and Palestinian liberation, among other things.

[Jack Armstrong]

At the Divinity School.

[Joe Getty]

Harvard's Divinity School. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

I will read you at least one of the poems.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like a good poem better rhyme. Poems don't rhyme. They suck. If you miss a segment or an hour, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

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