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Jack Armstrong
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Joe Getty
Cuando vasa la venta de verano de JCPenny. El recommendation as JCPenney.
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Jack Armstrong
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.
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Unknown Speaker
We have won because New Yorkers have stood up for a city they can afford. A city where they can do more than just struggle. And it's where the mayor will use their power to reject Donald Trump's fascism, to stop masked ICE agents from deporting our neighbors, and to govern our city as a model for the Democratic Party.
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Joe Getty
Get used to him, Mum. Donnie. He is going to be the mayor of New York. Barring some really seismic something or other, he is going to be the mayor of New York. And he is good. He is only 33 years old. He's in the. In the long history of super wealthy socialists, the capitalist system was. Was horrible for others. But not you, apparently. You and your wife.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, well, he's never had to do the things it takes to be successful in America. He was born to it. He was gifted it. So he doesn't understand why everybody isn't just gifted everything they want.
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Joe Getty
It's surprising how many big time socialist leaders don't come out of the working class anyhow, right? He. Trump tweeted out yesterday after the surprise win of Mamdani, who was like way behind in the polls just a couple of weeks ago. It was a bad. It was a bad, bad little run for polling, it would seem there in New York. Or he closed really hard because Andrew Cuomo ran such a horrible campaign. Anyway, it doesn't really make any difference. Trump truthed out yesterday. He looks terrible. Terrible in all caps. He looks terrible. He doesn't. He looks.
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Jack Armstrong
He's a really handsome young man. What the hell, Trump?
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Joe Getty
His voice is grating. It is not. He's not very smart. He's got the same political cagin as you have, for one thing, AOC plus three dummies all backing him. And even our great Palestinian senator. Even our great Palestinian senator Cryon Chuck Schumer is groveling over him. Uh, Eric Adams, the current mayor of New York, who will be running against Zoran Mudani as a. An independent, called him a snake oil salesman yesterday. But this Mandami dude, who, as I mentioned earlier, he and his wife had a lavish like we're movie stars wedding in Dubai a few years back. And that's not very socialism e I don't think. But anyway, that's his Deal. I was watching Mark Halperin's podcast yesterday and he said the mainstream media did a horrible, horrible job of giving you any information about this guy. And all that's going to come out between now and election day. Though Mark Halperin believes like most everybody does, there's no stopping it now. I mean, he won the Democratic nomination and there are no Republicans or independents with the heft or the time to derail him.
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Jack Armstrong
So there is a desperate search for said unicorn going on right now. I guarantee you there is so much money at stake.
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Joe Getty
I'm sure there is, but that person should have emerged earlier. Tremendous amount of oppo research, according to Mark Halperin, that is laying out there that nobody's used yet. Some of the papers this guy wrote in college or things that he's said or done when he was younger and less, you know, trying to be mainstreamy than he is as a 33 year old. I do want to hear what 22 year old him had to say about the United States of America and a variety of different things, but he's still going to end up Mayor of New York.
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Jack Armstrong
Greg ip, the great housing market writer for the Wall Street Journal. His headline today is New Yorkers Vote to make their housing shortage Worse. And he contrasts New York with Austin, how Austin saw a housing crisis and enlarged supply. New York through Zamdani is going to do the opposite. They are going to severely constrict supply to keep prices down.
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Joe Getty
I would like to know how much of his popularity was his policies. Too much if no matter how much it was, it was too much for my taste and how much of it was his vibe and approach to politics, which we'll get into here in just a little bit. It is very similar to Trump's but a little breakdown on this dude. His dad is a Columbia University professor of anthropology, political science and African studies. What does that sound like? While the candidate's mother is an Oscar nominated filmmaker. So he comes from a family of filmmakers and Columbia African studies professors.
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Jack Armstrong
Right, the family, education and entertainment.
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Joe Getty
The family moved to the Upper west side from Uganda. Upper west side is where all poor hard working socialist people end up. From Uganda while growing up, but paid little in rent because they were set up in the Columbia housing situation. So they got there and, and lived on that. And Mamdani himself graduated from Bodouin College in Maine. Has worked for advocacy, advocacy groups and non profits. Like not really earning a salary or, you know, there's no measure of whether you accomplished anything. Kind of like the whole Obama community organizer Thing.
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Jack Armstrong
Right.
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Joe Getty
Was also a music supervisor briefly for a Hollywood film directed by his mother, which is nothing. And, and a short stint as a rapper. That's his entire background and the work.
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Jack Armstrong
Very Karl Marx.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, it really is. Basically did nothing.
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Jack Armstrong
Although where'd the family money come from? Because I mean the, the wedding you're talking about. That's crazy money.
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Joe Getty
You know, I didn't even get a breakdown on actually where the money came from.
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Jack Armstrong
I mean, because an academic, you know, higher placed academic, that's a solid salary. I've never heard of this woman. I suppose she might have a couple of victories in the movie business, but I've not heard anything about that. Where'd they get all that money?
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Joe Getty
I know his wife is successful also. They met on hinge, so Good for him.
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Jack Armstrong
She's an illustrator.
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Joe Getty
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Author, illustrator something.
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Joe Getty
She's some sort of artist person also. Anyway, this is the stuff that I thought was interesting from the Wide World of News newsletter today written by Mark Halpern about the similarities between Trump and Mamdani. And I actually thought about this yesterday as I was watching him for the first time. I'd heard that he was good on the campaign trail and. But his various tiktoks and speeches and like he, he, he'd walk out with a microphone and interview, you know, people making sandwiches and that sort of stuff. And he's really good at that sort of thing.
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Unknown Speaker
Thing.
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Joe Getty
Both men possess a post modern flare. They wink at the camera, they know they are in a show and they invite you to know it too. Which is interesting. I remember hearing this about Letterman years ago. Norm MacDonald, the community the comedian talked about when he finally understood Letterman, when he realized that like you the guest were the bit and Letterman in the audience were in on the whole thing and you were like the foil and every guest was. That's why Letterman's show was so different than everything. And I think that is exactly the postmodern thing that Trump and this mom Donnie character have done. It's like you, the voters, you and I are kind of in on it and we're like kind of making fun of everybody else, which is an interesting.
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Jack Armstrong
Trick to pull off and help. Healthy helping of. I speak your language. Yeah, I get your references. I am of you. Whether it's the heartland, which is really amazing for a born to wealth New York real estate developer, or this guy. I've seen some of his social media stuff, man, and it is straight out of like top level TikTok influencer stuff.
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Joe Getty
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
His sense of irony and hipness and is the way he handles the camera and everything. He knows the language he ought to be speaking. And that's, you know, that's part of the connection with the young. Plus, you can get them to fall for idiotic policies that will not never work and never have.
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Joe Getty
But, and, and Halperin goes through how Trump, you know, being a TV star, understood all that. And Momdani, for whatever reason, you know, coming from a Hollywood filmmaker background or whatever, understands the modern world and modern media. Also, Mamdani, like Trump, wears his ideology on his sleeve, sometimes literally, in this case in the form of branded jackets or tax the rich merch, but never lets you forget he's in on the meta joke of modern politics, which is a Trump thing. Also. This is all just a phony joke and they're all screwing you, but I'm on your side, right? That whole deal. Both break the fourth wall. Trump would call into cable news shows unannounced, altering the news cycle on a whim. Mundani records Instagram videos directly addressing his constituents with all the production values of well funded college activist groups. And yet they work because he, like Trump, knows that message discipline in the 21st century means being the message yourself, living on social media and in real life in synchronism tandem with so your message. And you, you live your message every single day. Critics scoff at this for both of them. They call it unserious or narcissistic, narcissistic or both. But we are living in the age on authenticity as performance. Neither man hides the fact that he is selling something, but they are good at it. And that in today's media ecosystem, is more powerful than a hundred endorsements from a hundred editorial boards that nobody ever reads. Which I think is interesting too. You are the message. You are winking at people. You, they are in on your joke that you've got going in a way that you look at other politicians. Postmodernism is hard for me to wrap my head around, but when I see somebody that's got the new thing, like Trump and this guy, all the other politicians, they look like they're from 100 years ago in the way that they handle their messaging and trying to relate to audiences.
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Jack Armstrong
That's such a great point, though, and intriguing that the way you establish authenticity is to admit you're not being authentic.
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Joe Getty
Yes, yes, exactly. And I always think of these.
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Jack Armstrong
I know he's not trying to job me because he admitted to me that this is all a show. Okay.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Joe Getty
I always use the example of Trump going to the big Harley thing with all the Harley writers and every politician had always thrown on a leather vest and written on a motorcycle or ridden on the back of a motorcycle if they didn't know how to ride a motorcycle and worn the garb and tried to pretend they're one of them. Trump shows up in a limo in his suit and says he doesn't like motorcycles. And the crowd goes wild because he's authentically inauthentic.
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Jack Armstrong
Right. Right now I'm just here for the votes. Everybody cheers.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, but for whatever reason that worked. And mom, Donnie's got a big slice of that too. And one more thing on this before, before we let it go when we take a break is he hates the Jews.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh no. Something different. Okay, go ahead.
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Joe Getty
So I think he is a socialist and I think he does hate the Jews. So he got that crowd for that from that standpoint. But I also think he got a big chunk of like the way Trump does of I do things that everybody tells you you're not supposed to do. Everybody tells you you can't say this. I said it. Trump does that all the time. And mom, daddy, they're going to try to tell me I can't say globalize the intifada, screw them. I can say whatever I want. People love that from their, the person they're going to vote for. Now nobody's going to tell me I can't say this. Trump has done it on a variety of topics and this guy did it too. And I think people that's with the enthusiasm for him. He's from another country, so he can't be President of the United States, but he could be a major player. Mayor of New York gets a lot of attention and the Democratic Party is gonna have to deal with him because he's gonna have such a, you know, a prominent position. How they're gonna do that I do not know.
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Jack Armstrong
Trying to find that quote from that email about Kierkegaard and Freud. Perverse will that people will do. They'll embrace that sort of defiance even if it is self damaging.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, I don't look into that. It's interesting. We'll be following this for quite some time, I'm sure. More on the way. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty, actor Orlando Bloom and singer Katy Perry have broken up after a six year engagement. That's a long time to be engaged without getting married anyway. I'll bet he couldn't handle being married to her now that she's an astronaut. She couldn't handle being married to a non astronaut I'll bet that's right.
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Jack Armstrong
Being gone for hours at a time on her space missions.
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Joe Getty
No place to raise your kids. The Atlantic with a piece about the movie jaws on its 50 year anniversary and what it meant about class struggle is being mocked by some of my favorite people in a hilarious way. So I hope you can stay tuned for that.
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Jack Armstrong
Excellent. I'm so excited about that. Holy cow, we have almost no time. All right, here's the deal. Nobody's talking about the big beautiful bill because some of the geopolitical stuff that's going on right now, it's got all sorts of stuff wrong with it, but it's got all sorts of stuff right with it too. And those who profit from what they're trying to fix are going to come out hardcore against it. And I just think it might be at the point where it's some horrifying sausage making, but it's the best sausage we're going to get. One of the things they're going to get rid of is this giant, incredibly expensive Medicare scam. And I think this is a good summary of how it works. And if your eyes start to gloss over, that's the point. That's how they keep getting away with it. So in the 80s, states came up with this government sanctioned racket of Medicare provider taxes. The idea was to get more federal Medicaid matching funds and therefore spend less from their general tax revenue. We'll get the feds to pay for our citizens health care costs. So that has enabled states to expand benefits and greatly diminish the incentives to operate efficiently, meaning to squeeze your tax dollars best they can. So here's how it works and this is a good summary. Keep your eyes unglossed. States assess taxes on health care providers, mostly hospitals. They tax the hospitals. They channel that tax revenue back into their Medicaid program and spend it, which draws more federal money. For every dollar the states spend on Medicaid, they get 1 to $3 back from the feds and DOL dollar for able bodied individuals covered under Obamacare.
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Joe Getty
Oh boy.
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Jack Armstrong
The health care guru warned us about.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, I don't like these incentives.
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Jack Armstrong
So what about those poor hospitals getting tax this money? No problem. They then receive more in Medicaid payments than they pay in the provider taxes. The states make sure a good chunk of revenue is routed back to the hospitals so they're made whole plus more money. And in 1991, George H.W. cracked down on this. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer voted for it. Long story short, but the states and the big government. Democrats have found ways to get around that, especially through Medicare, that effort at reform. So the big beautiful bill is gonna really crack down on this stuff. You are going to hear screeching like half of Congress is being murdered in the streets about how this measure is going to deny people their Medicare and their, their health care and children are going to die of the common cold and the rest of it. That's because the hospital lobby and the healthcare lobbies are spending so much money to kill this. Just be aware of what's happening, because it's about to start in earnest.
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Joe Getty
Was the movie Jaws an allegory about class divisions in America? Of course.
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Jack Armstrong
About a big fish biting people?
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Joe Getty
Of course. It freaking wasn't, wasn't. But the Atlantic claims it was. And people are mock. So stay tuned for that on the 50th anniversary of Jaws. Coming up.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty.
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Joe Getty
Slower head.
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Jack Armstrong
I can go slow ahead. Come on down and chum some of this. You're gonna need a.
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Joe Getty
Terrifying. The movie jaws came out 50 years ago this summer, horrifying swimmers all around the world and hoping to God that as you bobbed around in the ocean, you did not hear a cello. All right, bottom, bottom, bottom. So this is funny. This, this reminds me of our friend James Lindsay when he and his friends did the grievance papers. They put out these fake studies. They were incredibly over the top and ridiculous, but you couldn't tell them for the real thing from the real thing, because the real thing is over the top and ridiculous to that point. I'm going to do a Mach 1. I could switch the Mach 1 with the Atlantic piece and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But the Atlantic has a piece out today. The film jaws came out 50 years ago this month. It portrays class divisions differently from the novel that inspired it, in ways that anticipated a fight that has arguably, arguably defined American politics, politics since 2016. What Jaws got wrong is the title.
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Jack Armstrong
I thought it was about the fish bite.
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Joe Getty
It was. It was about a scary shark biting people. And. And it made people think, oh, my God, that could happen to me in the ocean. And the end and they catch the shark and it's a bloody finale and blah, blah, blah. There's nothing else to it but that. That's it. That's the whole thing. And it's hilarious that the Atlantic is turning it into some sort of class division and commentary on today's politics, or it anticipated today's politics or whatever the crap. Anyway. Noah Rothman of the National Review decided To write in that style, mocking it. Basically. Charles C.W. cook, who Joe and I both really like, responded to Noah's piece by saying, I am in awe. Let me read a little bit from it. The character Quint, that's the guy we just heard from, the guy who owns the boat. It says, we're need a bigger boat. He's the. The salty old dude. The character Quint represents the suppressed male ID which struggles against structural and meta social taboos. Prescribing the full expression of the archetypical masculine ethos, he is consumed by the sleek white metaphor of sexual equality against which he rages. Until the last minute he bids farewell and adieu not to those Spanish ladies, but to the shackles of conventional gender roles. Exactly what I thought.
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Jack Armstrong
That's what I took from it.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. When I watch the shark movie, I mean, this is no more over the top than the Atlantic beast. Really. The drive to open the beaches by the 4th of July is a classic expression of American jingoism and the blood spilled over his rote commitment to commercialism as an unremarkable feature of the rapacious capitalist enterprise. I find that sort of thing hilarious in that it is so not even this much different from the actual pieces.
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Jack Armstrong
Some of these crazy people write about this stuff, Right? Right. So easy to bamboozle them if you know the language to throw around.
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Joe Getty
Noah Rothman actually said at the end of it, he said, this is really fun. No wonder so many people do it for a living. One more. Jaws, a portrayal of the monstrous, menacing and potentially violent other, foreign, indeed alien. It haunts its pursuers, dominates her conscience and is subject to abuses and indignities until it metes out the righteous vengeance of accumulated transgenerational mem. The shark is the global south, the black and brown diaspora of the bun dung revolution. Whatever the hell that means. And I'll just give you one more that I like. Martin Brody. Who is. Is that the. Is that the.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh, Brody is the police chief. Right, okay.
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Joe Getty
The weak and crumbling edifice of the post war consensus. Exhausted and plagued by indecision, he serves as our link to the fraying social order of the past. His triumph is pyric. I mean, it wasn't worth it. Perched atop a sinking ship, dealt a mortal blow by the rising vanguard of the subjugated and militant. His reprieve from the oppressor's fate will be short lived.
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Jack Armstrong
The Atlantic is great.
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Joe Getty
The Atlantic beast that I read is so not much different than that. Yeah, and it's just who dudes are. It gets to the previous conversation of like Trump and this man, this New York mayor dude, whatever his name is, being in on the joke. Is the Atlantic in on the joke? Do they know it's a joke and they're writing it for their readers who think it's a joke or are they all taking it seriously, this crap?
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Jack Armstrong
No, you know, it, it crystallized in my head that in the same way that if you want to like get the attention or sell practically anything to a 23 year old male, at least in the past, appeal to sexual desire and they'll just buy anything. And, and to women it's, you'll be beautiful and desirable and people will like you. They will freaking buy anything. Appeal to the intellectual vanity of a certain crowd. And it's, it's mostly on the left. If you, if you make them believe believing this makes you better and smarter than everybody else, they will believe freaking anything, no matter how laughable it is. Lindsay. Lindsay and Pluckrose and Boghossian with their experiment. You mentioned the, the infamous grievance study papers. I mean, they are the best example ever of that. You could not make it so stupid that the intellectual vanity of these people wouldn't make them lap it up.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. The Atlantic piece is actually about the different political orientations of the book versus the movie and how the movie got it wrong in portraying class distinctions as opposed to the book. Nobody watched the movie and came away from it thinking about class distinctions at all. It didn't get them wrong. It didn't get them at all. It just. It's a, it's a, it's a horror film. It's just a short.
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Jack Armstrong
Close the beaches or don't we. There's tremendous money at stake. That's just a really good subplot.
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Joe Getty
Sure. Exactly. And whether it's a guy in a hockey mask coming on campers with an axe or a shark in the water, that's what it is. It's got nothing to do with class distinctions or any of this other crap. And it didn't foresee our politics 50 years later. What is wrong with you people?
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Jack Armstrong
If you were to read more of the Atlantic one and then give us all an hour to go about our lives, I think it would be impossible for each of us to remember which one was the parody and which one was realized, is your point, obviously. But yeah, what a bunch of mumbo jumbo. There are some ideas so ridiculous only an intellectual would believe them. Thomas Sowell. I'm paraphrasing.
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Joe Getty
Talking about the. Brody is a recent transplant from New York City. This is from the Atlantic. The actual piece, Brody the character, you.
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Jack Armstrong
Should have just read it and asked us which one it was. Made us guess.
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Joe Getty
Brody, the character in the movie is a recent transplant from New York City in the film, living a seemly idyllic life. In Amity, when a home with a home on the water. Although he is not college educated, what the hell's got to do with any. And did anybody even know that? His primary virtue is that he defers to people who are. And he becomes a foil for Amity's working people, who in the film are portrayed as unpleasant or obtuse and at best well meaning, but short sighted. What are you talking about?
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Jack Armstrong
That was what I said. I walked out of Jaws and I said, you know what, honey, the working people are so obtuse in that movie, I couldn't enjoy it.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, and if you ever go to Universal and we've probably most of us done that, if you've ever been to Universal Studios in Los Angeles and the old Jaws shark comes out of the water and you go ah. To get you kind of wet, that's exactly what you're thinking. The obtuseness of the working class. That's what you're thinking about.
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Jack Armstrong
Wow, just, you know what you people, fine, do what you. I just don't want you in charge of anything.
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Joe Getty
Well, yeah, I used to think that too. I don't want you to exist, doll. Or you need to be in a camp or okay, fine, you can live.
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Jack Armstrong
Your freedom life prison camp, but you.
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Joe Getty
Don'T get to be in college teaching kids this crap and convincing them it's true. Cuz that is a problem for me.
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Jack Armstrong
So true. Yeah. Wow. Speaking of delusions.
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Joe Getty
Wow.
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Jack Armstrong
Wow.
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Joe Getty
I mean, it just blows my mind.
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Jack Armstrong
That you watched the shark movie and.
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Joe Getty
That'S what you came away with.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, it's, it's a great example of if you spend your, all of your time looking for something, you will find it, whether authentically or not. It's like the race obsession crowd that sees everything through the lens of race. Well, yeah, they'll cook up, you know, examples both real and imagined of where people have racial feelings that aren't very pretty. But if you don't spend all your time looking for them, like plenty of black and brown and pink people all over the world, you're just not worried about it. Life is fine.
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Joe Getty
I just in my mind conflated the two. I was thinking, I was about to say in the, the, the example of the shark as the other representing the brown and Black. No, that was Noah's thing.
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Jack Armstrong
Right, right. Yeah.
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Joe Getty
Did you ever have a college class like this? This was hot, like for our age. Subliminal message in advertising and how they're doing it all the time. And I remember the college professor putting up a can of coke with the water droplets on it and saying, you see how this water droplet is clearly a woman's body and this one is. No, they're just water droplets. It's like staring at clouds and you can think they are anything. There's no subliminal anything going on here. It's just. You're making this all up. This is crap. Whatever. Yeah, yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Just sound confident and people buy it. Particularly if you're, you know, within the ivied walls of a university and if you're impressionable youngsters, they don't know better.
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Joe Getty
Combined with. I just need to remember this because you're going to ask me about it on the test, so. Okay.
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Jack Armstrong
Have you heard of the 4am Club?
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Joe Getty
I have not.
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Jack Armstrong
This is not getting a fraction of the coverage it should. It is the QAnon of the left. Okay, but the press isn't writing about it because they know it makes lefties sound wacky, but it sits way out there.
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Joe Getty
Are you going to tell us about it coming up?
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, sure. Yeah.
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Joe Getty
Okay. Because I'm interested in that. I wonder where it comes from too. Because Q was supposedly a guy like deep in intelligence.
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Jack Armstrong
Still this government. Oh, yeah, that's true.
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Joe Getty
I know somebody who's currently QAnon.
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Jack Armstrong
Some die hards are still hanging with that obvious fraud.
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Joe Getty
Right. Okay. We got a lot on the way. Stay here.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty.
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Katie Green
A new Amber Alert in Idaho. An urgent search at this hour for two teenagers, a brother and a sister. Authorities are looking for 13 year old Alan Fisher and his sister, 15 year old Rachel. Their mother, Elizabeth Roundy says someone hauled her teens away in a car outside a store in Montville. Police say someone might be taking those teams to an FLDS group, a religious group in Utah. They are looking for a gray Honda or Hyundai. A sedan with Utah plates.
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Jack Armstrong
So some sort of cult kidnapping? Working. The teens disappeared by cults in a sedan.
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Joe Getty
Desk.
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Jack Armstrong
Katie Green. What's going on here, Katie?
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Unknown Speaker
Well, so David Mirror left all of the details.
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Joe Getty
I know what. I saw that story. I saw that story last night. I thought this leaves like five obvious questions, you idiot. Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
So these two teenagers, the 13 and the 15 year old, their brother and sister, they get reported missing out of Idaho. What David Muir left out is they think that they've been picked up by their older sister who went missing back in 2022. Now, this family had escaped an FLDS religious cult in Utah.
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Jack Armstrong
What does that stand for again?
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Unknown Speaker
Something Saints.
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Jack Armstrong
You're like your splinter Mormon group, essentially. Okay, yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
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Jack Armstrong
Okay. All right.
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Unknown Speaker
And they were part of this cult in Utah. That was intense. And so the mom took the kids and moved to Idaho. And the 8, the daughter, once she turned 18, took back off and went back to the religious cult in Utah.
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Jack Armstrong
And so what?
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Joe Getty
She'd been in it so long, she got fully indoctrinated. Right.
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Unknown Speaker
And she. She totally brainwashed. And so what they're thinking is that the older sister came back and her two younger siblings, and then took them.
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Joe Getty
Back to the cult, thinking she's doing them a favor, right?
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Jack Armstrong
Probably so, yeah. Which is why every radical political movement seeks to indoctrinate children. It's critical to their success. That's what's happening in your government schools right now, folks. Anyway, I hate to be Captain Apocalypse all the time, but if you don't study political movements through history, you don't see the framework of why they're doing this and why they're teaching all this crap in schools. I mean, your kids can't read and write, they can't do math, but they're being taught about radical gender theory. That seems weird. Well, it's a deliberate plan.
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Joe Getty
And the psychology, we've all learned now that whatever you. When you learn something, the first thing you learn is very hard to shake. Like, really hard to shake. Even in, like, in the face of all kinds of evidence that what you learned first was wrong, it's really hard to shake.
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Jack Armstrong
If the person who told you the first thing comes back and says, I was mistaken, that is wrong. Here is what's right. Your brain will cling to the first thing.
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Joe Getty
It's troubling.
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Unknown Speaker
It's just got a little more sick. The FLDS is the Mormon fundamentalist group where members practice polygamy.
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Joe Getty
Okay, there you go. Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Which is prohibited, obviously, in the traditional Mormon religion. Good grief.
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Jack Armstrong
Okay, so kind of a change of topic. Are we headed toward. Toward word that went poorly. Is World War three gonna break out? Not according to Gia Prism, a self proclaimed psychic and founder of movement. That's the closest thing the Left has to QAnon. It's called the 4am Club. Now, it's not about getting up before the sun to get a good run in or go to the gym or. Or to even pray or study the Bible. It's a confederation of quote unquote spiritually inclined women who all claim to have woken up suddenly around 4am on November 6. What? That's election Day? With a sinking feeling that Donald Trump had won the election. Checking their phones, their feminine intuitions were confirmed, except that they don't really believe he won. Hang in. Now the 4am clubbers believe that we really are living in an alternate reality where Trump is president at 4am on November 6 last year. That's when the timelines split and it's only a matter of time before we all realize it and get back on the correct timeline. Where Trump failed and Kamala Harris took a rightful place as chief executive.
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Joe Getty
They watch too much Loki so you need the time variance police to show up and fix this whole thing.
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Jack Armstrong
Or the wacky hot dog finger movie with all those parallel universes, right? Yeah, said one member who posts on Tick Tock. Quote I have been steadfast so rock solid in my belief that she won and it was only a matter of time before we all got onto that timeline. My friends have looked at me like I'm crazy and told me I'm delusional.
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Joe Getty
Because you wonder why. Yeah, you're crazy and delusional is the reason.
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Jack Armstrong
But then, and this is why I'm sorry for the inconvenience. We must unplug the Internet. Then she found the others just like her. Those of us in the 4am club viscerally experienced that timeline split. This is the vision, this is the light that we have been holding. Another four amer explained There are hundreds of videos with millions of views on 4am Club, videos on TikTok and additional chatter on left wing Reddit and their popularity has only grown. A lot of them are made by self proclaimed witches, mystics, mediums, clairvoyance, intuitives and the like.
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Joe Getty
Well, my theory on this and I don't probably not my theory, I probably read it somewhere. It's probably obvious as we now live in this world where you don't have the slightest idea what's true or not. As our old producer Sean used to say, every news story comes as a homework assignment. You now have to you hear a news story you're interested in and you now got to do the research to try to figure out if it's real or not or how much of it is real. Living in that world has made us all super susceptible to or want to cling to some solid piece of something and it's made this sort of thing a lot easier to get going.
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Jack Armstrong
I think well. And you combine that with what I've discussed several times, which is that in the old world, if you had a hare brained idea, you would try it out in your friend group, your community, your workplace, whatever, and you would get a lot of your out of your freaking mind and realize, oh, that's a harebrained idea. Now you go to the Internet and you can find ten or a thousand or a million people who say your harebrained idea about sex with children or Neo Nazism or whatever. They will tell you that's a great idea.
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Joe Getty
All right, 4:00am Club. Knock yourself out. If you missed a segment or an hour, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. More on the way.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty. This is an iHeart podcast.