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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty. And finally, I heard about a man in France who fell into a ravine and survived for three days on nothing but red wine. Or as we call it here in America, Thanksgiving.
Jack Armstrong
Hey, now I'm looking up at the tv. They're having a little discussion about AI music and the idea that, you know, who does anybody own the rights to that or who owns the rights that. I never thought about that. But with, with some of your formulaic pop music, like country music, for instance, since it's all really close to the same anyway, why would record companies need to pay anyone anything? Why would you need to have a writer who gets some of the money or. Of course, nobody's getting any money. Now. It's all about the touring.
Joe Getty
Right. And you need that human being up on stage to promote the song to.
Jack Armstrong
Go on Saturday Night Live and sing it on or whatever. Yeah, right.
Joe Getty
And then sell concert tickets anyway.
Jack Armstrong
Right now, Washington, D.C. the Supreme Court, the justices, the Barobed justices, are doing the whole oral arguments thing over whether or not Trump has got the power to lay tariffs on all these different countries around the world and upend the world economy. As one guy, it just seems like to me, without knowing any of the law, it just doesn't seem like the way the system ought to work.
Joe Getty
Right. As an actual conservative, as opposed to a I support everything Trump does character, it's troubling that much. Executive power.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. And so the voices you're gonna hear, you're gonna hear the lawyer representing Trump's point of view that, yes, he does have the power. And the female voice is Amy Coney Barrett, the conservative justice that Trump appointed. Here we go. Okay.
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So an intermediate appellate court held it in twill. But you just told Justice Kavanaugh that wasn't your lead argument. That your lead argument was this long history of the phrase regulate being understood to include tariff authorities. So my question is, has there ever been another instance in which a Statute has conferred, used that language to confer the power. Well, putting aside Yoshida, I mean, obviously.
Legal Expert
Other statutory example is just imports. The cases we rely on are cases where, for example, in Gibbons is Ogden and justice stories.
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That just shows the word can be used that way. None of those cases talked about it as conferring tariff authority. I understood you to be citing McGoldrick and Gibbons in those cases just to show that it's possible to say that regulating commerce includes the power to tariff.
Legal Expert
I think. I think our argument goes a bit further than that as an interpretive matter, because if you look at that history.
Joe Getty
The history of delegates just answered the Justice's question.
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Can you identify any statute that use that phrase to confer terror?
Legal Expert
Yeah, the only two statutes I can identify now are twea, as interpreted in Yoshida and then closely related. Not regulate importation, but adjust imports in section 232.
Jack Armstrong
That was chicks before sticks, you know, jumping up there and saying, hey, don't let some dude mansplain answer her question. Says the other chick.
Joe Getty
Wow. Yes. The other chick may have been Justice Sotomayor standing up for Amy Coney Barrett, which is kind of an interesting dynamic now that you bring it up. Coming up, there's a real bitter debate dividing the Supreme Court's liberal justices right now. What?
Jack Armstrong
Heck, yeah. I was just wondering, was that a. I'm jumping in here because my fellow female justice isn't getting her question answered.
Joe Getty
They don't have patience with the rambling.
Jack Armstrong
They don't have the same politics, although they might on this issue.
Joe Getty
It's conceivable.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, yeah. Very, very, very conceivable that, you know, I didn't understand the vast majority of that. I'd forgotten the voice of that dude, whatever his name is, that represents Trump and all these things.
Joe Getty
John Sauer, he is.
Jack Armstrong
He's hard to listen to.
Joe Getty
Terrible pipes, the cnn.
Jack Armstrong
You know, little words. The bottom of the screen conceptualization of this was Chief Justice Roberts and conservative Barrett pick apart Trump administration's arguments on sweeping tariff authority. Although that's fairly vague that that's what you do. You pick apart arguments. It doesn't mean you didn't believe them or like them.
Joe Getty
Right. Maybe worth at least a few seconds on the fact that often Supreme Court Justices will try to find flaws in their own arguments, which is really a pretty good thing for all of us to do if we're trying to be serious about having good, strong ideas and philosophies. But they want to see if the other counsel can point out a weakness in their own argument. So they can either come up with a way to strengthen their argument or realize maybe I'm not right, because no justice wants to write an opinion and then be exposed at having missed a major point.
Jack Armstrong
Right. That's my favorite thing about the oral arguments, is that every time they come up, all smart people say, you cannot tell anything from the arguments. And then we go back to listening to the arguments, to trying to deduce what we think is happening. Having just stated that you can't tell, but that's what it is.
Joe Getty
I. I must quibble with your. Your characterization that you can't tell anything from it, but you're right. You got to take it all with a grain of salt. You get clues, and clues are not proof. So I think this is the next one.
Jack Armstrong
This is John Roberts, the Chief justice, also a conservative, questioning Trump's lawyer.
Joe Getty
No, it's not.
Jack Armstrong
Or less.
Joe Getty
More or less.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, a conservative.
Jacob Goldstein
More or less. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Gotcha. Okay.
Joe Getty
If a tariff is imposed on automobiles, who pays them?
Legal Expert
There's a. There typically there'd be a. Regardless of what the importer of record is, there'd be a contract that would go along the sort of line of transfer that would allocate the tariff, and there'd be different. Sometimes the foreign. The foreign producer would pay them. Sometimes the importer would bear the cost. The importer could be an American, could be a foreign company. A lot of times it's a wholly owned American subsidiary of a foreign corporation, so it gets allocated. The empirical estimates range from, like, 30 to 80% of, like, how much is borne by.
Joe Getty
I mean, it's been suggested that the tariffs are responsible for significant reduction in our deficit. I would say that's raising revenue domestically.
Legal Expert
There certainly is an incidental and collateral effect of the tariffs that they do raise revenue, but it's very important that they are regulatory tariffs, not revenue raising tariffs.
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Hmm.
Jack Armstrong
That's interesting. From the. The politics of it, Trump has been pushing it as a, you know, big revenue maker for a long time.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Slicingly, the illegal argument, a bit thin.
Jack Armstrong
Can I get somebody whose voice doesn't make it so distracting? I can't even really pay attention to what he's saying. Would that be possible? I know that's not fair, but.
Joe Getty
And it may make us idiots, but it's like RFK Jr. Get a spokesperson person, please. Or even like an AI program or a parrot or something.
Jack Armstrong
You just.
Joe Getty
And I'm sorry you had that conditioned in your voice. It's not your fault. No, it's not your fault.
Jack Armstrong
You're probably a brilliant lawyer, but I can't listen to you. Right Would be an interesting idea. You whisper in the parrot's ear and then the parrot recites what you just.
Joe Getty
Said to it because I have no life. I spent a bunch of time reading about who is actually paying the tariffs. And it varies product to product, substance to substance, if we're talking about like a raw material. So it's very time when people yell.
Jack Armstrong
A tariff is a tax. Is that too broad and simple, simplified?
Joe Getty
No, no, no, it's a tax. The question is who pays it? And again, you got to go practically product by product. But in some cases the manufacturer in the foreign land furners says, you know, our profit margin is X. We could take a haircut of, you know, 2% of our profits. And because we don't want to shock the consumers and the importer, the middleman says, you know, I could probably lose 1% on this deal. And then the retailer says, ah, gosh dang it, things are pretty tight here. I could probably nip off a half a percent. And so the consumer pays very, very little of the tax, at least initially. And there are other industries where they saw the tariffs coming and so they built enormous stockpiles both here and abroad of stuff that won't be tariffed because of the date it was brought into the duty free warehouse or I can't remember the technical term, but anyway. And that will change as the months go by in their inventory is depleted. So it's interesting, it's the reason it hasn't really hit inflation with a, you know, with serious impact so far is because it takes a long time to play out. Because business people are smart. They do their best to not shock the consumer into what? Not buying their stuff.
Jack Armstrong
Here's Jonathan Turley's assessment. He's been following the whole thing today. And then we can move on. Sour. That's the guy with the horrible voice that I can't listen to. Is doing a brilliant job in fending off probing questions. While he might not win over some of these justices, he has been very nimble and stout in his defense. That's what we try to be, nimble and stout. Yeah, every day.
Joe Getty
Some days he's more nimble, I'm more stout, some days vice versa. You just gotta see how you feel.
Jack Armstrong
Air day. Nimble and stout.
Joe Getty
So I found this super interesting. And this is getting, of course, because the media are lying, biased jackasses. As interesting as this is, it's getting no coverage. The debate dividing the Supreme Court's Liberal Justices Kagan and Jackson especially, are really at odds with each other because Justice Kagan, for all of my disagreement with her on a lot of policy, is very respectful of the traditions of the court and understands how important it is that Supreme Court justices act like Supreme Court Justices. Katanji, Brown, Jackson, Shock. The youngest and most radical leftist of the justices who did the most talking last year, by far, the youngest, newest justice did the most talking.
Jack Armstrong
You don't need anything more than that.
Joe Getty
A little life experience. Anybody with a little life experience understands what we just said and what it means.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
Anyway, she believes that she should be an activist and talk to the press all the time and go outside the court and make strong statements and the rest of it, because she's gonna preach to the people. And the conservatives and Trump are accused of undermining our institutions. And they do sometimes, honestly.
Jack Armstrong
Right, but it's Trump who destroyed the Supreme Court.
Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah. For years, Justice Kagan has agonized over whether to be more confrontational, confidants say, and mostly concluded that to be effective, she must be careful about rocking the boat and just be as good at her job as she can possibly be, which is a very admirable stance. But in recent months, Justice Kagan's liberal justice. I'm sorry, colleague, Justice K. Bage. I need to slow the hell down. Michael. Tell me to slow the hell down. Oh, that's right.
Jack Armstrong
You don't swear.
Joe Getty
Oh, okay. You dropped an H bomb there. But in recent months, KBJ has started warning the public that the boat is sinking. In one opinion after another, Jackson has accused the right side of the court of favoring moneyed interests and of complicity that enables our collective demise. Because you're not supposed to go at the other justice's motives.
Jack Armstrong
No, that's.
Joe Getty
And say they're bad people. That that decision only became came because they're greedy and they're kissing up to the moneyed interest.
Jack Armstrong
Don't do that, you moron. How do you think this ends? I'll tell you how it ends on how it ends. But I'll tell you what the next step is. Trump convinces whoever's running the Senate to do away with the filibuster. And then the Republicans next vacancy get through some red meat chucking firebrand justice who's on the court, who takes it even further. And then the Democrats do the same thing, their next justice. And pretty soon, the Supreme Court is like the House of Representatives or a panel on a cable show.
Joe Getty
Right. Final note, at oral arguments, as Jack indicated, she's taken up far more speaking time than her colleagues, even though she is the youngest and newest. Blah, blah, blah. I'm not afraid to use my voice, she said in an event. All right.
Jack Armstrong
Why don't you try being nimble and stout for a change?
Joe Getty
Yeah, what he said. All right, enough of that. Now something different. Oh, the poly markets, which are interesting in their ability to predict your giant global betting markets, give the administration only a 39% chance of victory.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, really? Yeah, we'll keep an eye on that.
Joe Getty
We'll see if they're right. It's an interesting thing, the wisdom of crowds. You heard of that, right? We'll see how well they predict.
Jack Armstrong
This may be a pretty big deal, that after all this tariff stuff for the past 10 months, it'll be a. Oh, never mind. Guess we can't do that.
Joe Getty
That's one of the administration's arguments, which I do not find compelling is, hey look, we've. We've this incredibly tangled web. You can't undo it now. Yeah, well, we'll see the movie Toy.
Jack Armstrong
Story, a childhood classic. Either you watched it as a kid or your kids watched it. Almost wasn't what it was, according to Tom Hanks, which is an interesting story among other things. On the way.
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Joe Getty
A chuckle.
Jack Armstrong
With a chuckle. Yes. She laughed like a good hearty laugh about how funny it was that my son and I were kind of having a little argument and he interrupted. That's weird. Anyway, gives me the same feeling.
Joe Getty
Like a salesman who's trying to be my best friend.
Jack Armstrong
Yes.
Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Yes.
Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. I don't like it. Toy Story. Beloved movie. If you're of a certain age, you watched it as a kid. If you're older, your kids watch it. Here's Tom Hanks describing how it almost wasn't what it was.
Legal Expert
Tim Allen and I and everybody involved in it, we recorded a Toy Story movie for about 80 minutes of it that was completely thrown out.
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Different story.
Legal Expert
Yeah, it was everything. Because the people who were running the studio, not Pixar, said, look, it's a cartoon. Let's make them wisecracking, insult each other and come up with goofy things. It didn't work. It wasn't Toy Story. It wasn't what Pixar was going for. So we got one of those calls from John Lassiter. John called up and he said, hey, listen, we've looked at it and it's just not working. And we would like to start all over from scratch. How long had you been working? We had been working on it for about two years, I will say. About two years.
Jack Armstrong
Wow.
Legal Expert
So then we began the process all over again, which is about a two and a half to three year process.
Joe Getty
And there's going to be another.
Legal Expert
There's going to be a fifth Toy Story.
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Fantastic.
Jack Armstrong
That's interesting. Two years in and they decided this ain't working and started over. And obviously one of the greatest kids movies of all time. Yeah. Yeah.
Joe Getty
And just by coincidence, when our kids were little, Andy in the movies was little and as he grew, my kids were growing and when he went off to college was right when I think one or both of my older kids were going off to college and holy cow did that yank at the heartstrings those movies. But now it's all owned by the mouse, the giant evil be fanged blood dripping from his greedy claws mouse that is.
Jack Armstrong
Disney probably has Hunter.
Joe Getty
Careful. They have lawyers, many lawyers.
Jack Armstrong
So I shouldn't say that Mickey Mouse likely has Haunter Man.
Joe Getty
It's funny whether it's a movie or a song or whatever, sometimes you get three quarters of the way through it and you realize, I have no idea why this isn't working, but it's not working.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, yeah. That's where the real art comes in and I'm fascinated by it. Some people are really good at figuring that out. We got a little more analysis of what happened across the country yesterday and other things to talk about. I hope you can stay here.
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This bear roared with an unprecedented turnout in a special election with an extraordinary result.
Jack Armstrong
All right, that's one of the problems with living in California. We got a head start on being tired of who's might be the nominee for the Democrats for President because it gets you get pretty tired of these people when they're running for President on TV every single day for two years.
Joe Getty
Even if you like them.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, we're already tired of anyway as a big political win, no Doubt for Gavin Newsom originally proposed. Everybody hated it, including Democrats. No, we're not going to put districting lines back in the hands of the politicians. But they framed it as being anti Trump and so it won by like 25 points yesterday. They're going to redistrict, they're going to re re and more extremely gerrymander California from what it already was, which was.
Joe Getty
Pretty gerrymandered, which was pretty gerrymandered already. And now it's mentioning that the, the special interests of California, specifically the public employee unions, the trial lawyers unions in general, always turn out like crazy on off year elections. So if they really want to get dirty work done, they'll do it in these kind of weird off year elections because the generalized taxpayer interested voter in California just doesn't turn out.
Jack Armstrong
The on purpose irony is that it was pitched as saving democracy. And it's like the worst thing you could do for democracy. The more gerrymandering you have, the less democracy. Anyway, here's Gavin Newsom, who has really leapt to the top of the list of likely nominees for president for the Democratic Party after yesterday gloating. Donald Trump called up the Border Patrol.
Joe Getty
Sent them to Dodger Stadium and threw a fastball at free speech right at the head. Free expression to suppress the vote in America's second largest city. Just did that today. People in tactical gears sent out to intimidate a community that is all ready on edge. But you see as we speak, people.
Jack Armstrong
Are still in line.
Joe Getty
People waiting up three hours to cast their vote to send a message to Donald Trump. No crowns, no thrones, no kings. That's what this victory represents, is a victory for the people of the state of California and the United States of America.
Jack Armstrong
I vomited.
Joe Getty
He doesn't have the chops to win the presidency unless the Republicans really cough up a loser.
Jack Armstrong
No crowns, no thorns, no kings.
Joe Getty
Donald Trump. Trump.
Jack Armstrong
And he said tactical gears. He didn't get everything right. In that.
Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah. I just. Populist politics wear me out.
Jack Armstrong
Well, we're going more that direction. See Zoharon, Mandami, mom, dummy. Mim, Dimmy.
Joe Getty
That's actually not right. The Democratic socialists of America, more radical than ever. And they're winning next hour.
Jack Armstrong
I just saw my favorite people.
Joe Getty
I'm telling you, I just saw my.
Jack Armstrong
Favorite tweet of the day. This is from. It doesn't really matter who it's from, but it's from Molly Hemingway. She's a pundit. It doesn't matter. Her tweet is the guy next to Me in line at Starbucks is friends with Tom Selleck, and I'm super excited to hear his stories. Wow. Wow.
Joe Getty
How in the world.
Jack Armstrong
Did that come up in conversation? Is this the sort of guy that goes around and will just offer it up out of nowhere? The fact that he's friends with Tom Selleck?
Joe Getty
Right, right. How do you know somebody went to Harvard, they'll tell you. How do you know somebody's friends with Tom Selleck?
Jack Armstrong
That's not normally the way a friend of a celebrity acts, is that you go around telling people, I'm friends with whoever.
Joe Getty
I mean, granted, sometimes you got to cool your heels for a little bit waiting for your order in a Starbucks. But how the heck did that come out?
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, how did it come up? Where did the conversation go that got to, what celebrities do you happen to know? Funny you ask. I'm friends with Tom Selleck. And then the next part. I'm super excited to hear his stories.
Joe Getty
Here's another thing.
Jack Armstrong
Here's another thing I know about my friend Tom Selleck.
Joe Getty
He has two dogs. I picture myself saying, wow, that's. That's great. Yeah. I tell you what else you ought to know about Tom is he has two dogs. I'm like, wow. Yeah, I like dogs, too. I tell you what a great sense of humor, too. One day, Tom and I were on the golf course, and I'm thinking, oh, for God's sake, please call Joe. Please call Joe so I can get out of here.
Jack Armstrong
His mustache looks even better in person.
Joe Getty
But Molly is, quote, super excited to hear the story. And each their own. I guess I don't. You know, I just. I'm not super into actors. If somebody. If somehow I fell into a conversation with somebody who's like a longtime friend of Tiger woods or Phil Mickelson or something like that, yeah, I'd be interested. I'd want to hear the stories. I got to admit it.
Jack Armstrong
Okay.
Joe Getty
It's their own, I suppose.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I guess you're right. If you're being fair, you have your own.
Legal Expert
But it's got to be.
Jack Armstrong
I don't know, have to have some interest to it, really. Bob Dylan's got two dogs.
Joe Getty
So I. I could go on and on for hours and hours about Zoran Mumdami's victory in the Democratic Socialists of America and how socialism slides inevitably into totalitarianism and death and horror. Doesn't sound very entertaining. Does it just happen to read an unbelievable piece of writing? I didn't finish it. It's long problem with the Internet back in the day. I Tell you what, youngsters, back in the day, there's a limit to how much you could put in the newspaper because it had to fit in a little tube, right? And so you had to edit, but with the Internet, it doesn't matter. Every freaking thing you can. Did somebody ask you, hey, is it supposed to rain tomorrow? You get 10,000 words. Yeah, this happened hyper brilliant, right, exactly. With 10,000 words per link. Right. In addition, if you have literally nothing else to do. This guy was about, okay, Boomer, this guy was writing about a movie, was a springboard, a movie about this topic. But the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge, which if you're not familiar with it, was a communist regime, it came to power making all of the standard promises of socialism, Marxism slash communism, which are often disguising themselves as one or the other, even though they're all communists. And how inevitably central planning means central control. And to control people, you have to hurt them. And if they continue to resist, you have to kill them. Especially because you have to kill lots and lots of people before people of good conscience stop resisting. You have to terrorize them into submission. And I remember because I was a weird little kid and I read the news magazines that we got in our house every single week. And the full horror of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia was, you know, in those magazines. So it. I was like really weirdly aware of this as a 1112 year old, because it was in the 70s.
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Joe Getty
But pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge regime ended up killing off 25% of the population, worked them to death, tortured them to death, executed them to the point that the rain would fall. And all over this region around the airport, that was never finished. When the rain would fall, the bones would come up through the ground because they had killed so many people. And, you know, I don't think every, you know, person who wants free bus rides is going to end up being whole pot.
Jack Armstrong
I'm glad of that.
Joe Getty
The difficulty is, and we've argued many times on this show, that not every slope is slippery. But the difficulty is, given the amount of dishonesty in Marxism and Jack, I know you can talk about this at length, how the Marxist Leninists, in the early days, they. They thought the working class were too stupid to get it, and so they would dupe or force them into the paradise that. That would be unleashed. But anyway, to stop parenthetical thoughts and get to my own damn point, the problem with all of this stuff is that by the time you realize it's no longer step A or B, you're indeed at step F. You can't go back anymore. They've got too tight a hold on society and too much control. And they can really, really hurt people to make them conform. And so when I see a guy like Mamdani who's not only an avowed democratic socialist and what those people believe next hour in their own words, I believe him to be something of an Islamist as well. I can guarantee you his rhetoric is a cleansed version, a sanitized version of what he really thinks and wants. And that's what bothers me so much about his election, knowing where this sort of thing ends.
Jack Armstrong
You know how Tom Selleck likes his coffee? Skim milk.
Joe Getty
Oh, God. Would you please stop talking to me? I've looked at my phone. I pretended to take a call, and you're still telling me about Tom Selleck. Please stop.
Jack Armstrong
I acted like I don't understand English. And he is still keep telling me about Tom Selleck.
Joe Getty
Much as I enjoyed that comedic interlude, this is a wonderful coincidence after that screed about totalitarianism that it's the annual Warrior Foundation Freedom Station giveathon taking place tomorrow on Thursday. This is a fabulous organization we have supported for years and years.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. For 21 years, Warrior Foundation Freedom Station has been a lifeline for our ill and injured warriors battling post traumatic stress, traumatic brain injuries, all the challenges of transitioning to civilian life. Well, they're doing the whole home for the holidays, fly them home for the holidays thing again this year because everybody deserves to be with loved ones on, you know, on Christmas. And it's a chance for you to fly them home. Tax deductible donation. It's more than a gift. It's a way to say thank you to warriors who would never ask for help themselves.
Joe Getty
I mean, the folks who've made unbelievable sacrifices for our liberty and fight off the forces we were just talking about deserve a giant thank you. And to be at home with the folks for the holidays is a great gift. And if they're not in the shape to travel, Warrior Foundation Freedom Station flies their folks to be with them. At Warrior Foundation Freedom Station, it's easy to donate. Call 619 Warrior. That's 619 Warrior. Or get the name right. Warriorfoundation.org that's Warrior foundation.org I mentioned this earlier.
Jack Armstrong
CBS today is doing a feature about this popular AI singer that apparently has a couple of hits, whatever hits are anymore. And I don't. I can't quite wrap my head around what they're doing here. They're interviewing somebody who told Grok, have a hot young black chick sing this song as the creator of a popular AI singer. They wrote the lyrics, but still the person is just. I don't know if you've messed around with AI, you can make an attractive or unattractive. You can make anything you want. It's very easy.
Joe Getty
Sure, yeah. Who are they interviewing? The person?
Jack Armstrong
Not creator of the popular AI singer.
Joe Getty
But yeah, it is an art form in a weird way, but it'll have a very, very short shelf life because anybody can do it.
Jack Armstrong
Right? Yeah. I don't get it.
Joe Getty
I think it might be.
Jack Armstrong
A show run by old people for old people. Completely not understanding what's going on here.
Joe Getty
Bingo.
Jack Armstrong
Okay.
Joe Getty
Yeah. They're calling it the worst political memoir in history. The KJP memoir and an hilariously absurd review of it coming up.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, we read the kicking it took from the New York Times last week, which was pretty funny.
Joe Getty
Oof.
Jack Armstrong
Stay tuned.
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Joe Getty
I must quibble. She's the. She was the press secretary. That is a cabinet level post. Well, I didn't know that in the Biden administration.
Jack Armstrong
I didn't know you were cabinet level.
Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah. And Andrew Stiles of the Free Beacon, who is absolutely brilliant and hilarious, has written a lengthy piece. I'm going to hit you with some of it, but I'm going to drop down to toward the end. This summarizes it nicely. Independent, which is the ballsy title of the book. It's got a long subtitle is which is both mercifully brief and intolerably long. Defies credulity at every turn.
Jack Armstrong
Well, the subtitle is important because it's like my Tales from a Broken White House or whatever. It mentions a broken White House and then when the New York magazine ask her about you know. Well, tell us some tales from the broken White House. You know, the Biden administration. You're behind the scenes. She said. Oh, I meant the Trump White House.
Joe Getty
Right? What?
Jack Armstrong
You don't have any tales from the. You weren't in the Trump White House?
Joe Getty
The title of the book is Independent A Look Inside a Broken White House Outside the Party Lines.
Jack Armstrong
But she doesn't have any tales from the broken White House. She's still claiming that Joe Biden was perfectly fine and could have been president four more years and blah blah, blah.
Joe Getty
Yes, well, as Andrew writes, KJP can't stop making history. Earlier this year, the former White House press secretary became the highest ranking openly queer French born black woman with a hyphenated surname to publicly renounce the Democratic Party for being mean to Joe Biden. She is the only black female lesbian immigrant to publish a book about her time in the Biden administration. It is the worst political memoir ever written in the history of the English language. This is not hyperbole. It's an especially vacuous genre and highly competitive to be sure. But imagine writing a book so bad it could shame Democrats and liberals into second guessing their cult like devotion to DEI. That's what she's done with this book. In 2022, Jean Pierre's promotion of the White House press secretary was hailed by Democrats and journalists to the extent there's a difference as a triumph for diversity and representation. And it's worth pointing out that on the Armstrong and Getty show for every single second we were saying what the left is now saying. After years of angrily shouting that it wasn't true, she is now widely viewed, in the words of a reporter who worked with her, quote, as the most incompetent and irrelevant White House press secretary ever. Former colleagues describe her as, quote, ineffectual, unprepared, and kind of dumb. Looking back on the great awokening of 2020, one can't help but marvel at what Jean Pierre has managed to achieve. Democrats are finally starting to connect the dots. Casting KJP is a cautionary tale of what happens when desire to make history takes precedence over everything else, said Zaid Jelani, a former blogger at the left wing center for American Progress, which is influential on the left. Quote, if Democrats really want to help minorities, they have to stop defending incompetence. Karine Jean Pierre was never good at her job and it took progressives four years to admit it. Remarkably, Jean Pierre's book tour, if you can call it that, has been described as a car crash of non Stop cringe. She fumbles her way through interviews, repeatedly invoking her lived experience as a trailblazing black woman, openly gay pioneer. The same people who celebrated her historic promotion and the first to denounce people like us as her as bigots, are now rolling their eyes, quote, every time she falls back on identity politics, instead of actually answering questions, she reinforces the worst stereotypes about Democrats. A former White House colleague told Politico. It's truly remarkable. And your reference, Jack, her egregious performance in an interview with the New Yorker's Isaac Chotiner. And we're talking about the freaking New Yorker here, folks. We're not talking about, you know, sitting down with Rush Limbaugh when he still graced the earth with his presence or, or even the Wall Street Journal was the New Yorker. Anyway. One Democratic strategist likened to Mike Tyson fighting a baby.
Jack Armstrong
Well, that wouldn't be a fair fight, not a joke. The baby wouldn't have a chance.
Joe Getty
It's forced many liberals to embrace the possibility that John Pierre was utterly unqualified for a job. Quote, this is liberal journalist Jordan Weissman. I don't recall her ever transforming into a dervish of complete nonsense like this on the podium, but maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention. Fact check. He clearly wasn't paying attention because she's always been like this.
Jack Armstrong
And the New York Times mentioned in their review that they called her for explanation for some of her claims and she wasn't able to talk to him. She turned down being interviewed by the New York Times about her book because she knew she couldn't answer the questions of, like, what do you mean inside a broken White House? You're talking about the Trump White House. You didn't work in the Trump White House. What are you talking about? Doesn't make any sense.
Joe Getty
Yeah, the call's breaking up. So it's both mercifully brief at 172 pages and intolerably long, defies credulity at every turn. KJP claims she never noticed Biden's cognitive decline despite meeting with him at least once a day for two and a half years. Her observations reflect an alarming disconnect with reality. And it goes into more detail.
Jack Armstrong
She kind of has to do that or she'd be the least patriotic person in America if she was supposed to admit, oh, yeah, I saw him every single day. He wasn't capable of being president. His brain hardly worked. I just kept my mouth shut because I thought I was supposed to.
Joe Getty
Our politics are so broken.
Jack Armstrong
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Date: November 5, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Main Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
The "Nimble & Stout" episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand dives into Supreme Court debates over executive power regarding tariffs, media coverage on AI-generated music, California’s election outcomes and political trends, the perils of identity-focused political appointments, and amusing asides about Toy Story, AI assistants, and celebrity encounters. The hosts maintain their hallmark blend of witty banter, critical analysis, political skepticism, and cultural commentary throughout.
(03:16 – 16:10)
Context: The Supreme Court is hearing oral arguments on whether the Trump administration—and by extension, the President—has the authority to unilaterally impose tariffs, thus shaking the global economy.
Discussion:
Notable Quote:
Jack Armstrong sums up: "That's my favorite thing about the oral arguments... You cannot tell anything from the arguments. And then we go back to listening to the arguments, to trying to deduce what we think is happening. Having just stated that you can't tell." (07:57)
Expert Assessment:
(12:18 – 16:01)
Liberal Justice Divide:
Joe Getty describes a growing rift between Justices Kagan (more institutionalist, less confrontational) and Jackson (more activist, outspoken).
Getty notes:
"Katanji Brown Jackson...believes that she should be an activist and talk to the press all the time and go outside the court and make strong statements...justice Kagan...ag...understands how important it is that Supreme Court justices act like Supreme Court Justices." (12:20)
Worry About Politicizing the Court:
They warn of the risk that politicization could turn the Supreme Court into a partisan brawl, akin to Congress or cable news.
Notable Quote:
Jack Armstrong:
"And pretty soon, the Supreme Court is like the House of Representatives or a panel on a cable show." (15:16)
(27:21 – 32:01)
California’s “Pro-Democracy” Redistricting:
Gavin Newsom’s Response:
Newsom frames the vote as defiance against Trump and celebration of democratic values:
"No crowns, no thrones, no kings. That's what this victory represents..." (29:37)
Skepticism:
Armstrong, unimpressed:
"I vomited." (30:01)
Getty: "He doesn't have the chops to win the presidency unless the Republicans really cough up a loser." (30:02)
Insight:
The hosts highlight a decline in democratic standards disguised as progress.
(39:05 – 39:49, 34:00 – 35:00)
AI-Generated Art’s Cultural & Legal Implications:
AI Assistants in Real Life:
(21:30 – 22:42)
Behind the Scenes:
Tom Hanks revealed the first version of Toy Story was scrapped after two years of work because it didn’t fit Pixar’s vision. The project was rebooted and became legendary.
"We recorded a Toy Story movie for about 80 minutes of it that was completely thrown out..." (21:43)
Emotional Connection:
Joe Getty reflects:
"As he grew, my kids were growing and when he went off to college was right when I think one or both of my older kids were going off to college and holy cow did that yank at the heartstrings..." (22:42)
(43:10 – 49:03)
Review of KJP’s "Independent":
Brutal reviews from both left and right; accusations of incompetence and lack of substance.
Notable quotes from Joe Getty/Andrew Stiles (Free Beacon): “It is the worst political memoir ever written in the history of the English language. This is not hyperbole.” (44:06) “The same people who celebrated her historic promotion...are now rolling their eyes every time she falls back on identity politics instead of actually answering questions, she reinforces the worst stereotypes about Democrats.” (46:50)
The title claims “Inside a Broken White House”; when pressed for details, KJP claims she meant the Trump White House (where she didn't serve), not Biden’s.
Armstrong notes:
“She kind of has to do that or she’d be the least patriotic person in America if she was supposed to admit...he wasn’t capable of being president.” (48:50)
“Some days he’s more nimble, I’m more stout, some days vice versa. You just gotta see how you feel.” (12:13, Joe Getty)
“The guy next to me in line at Starbucks is friends with Tom Selleck, and I’m super excited to hear his stories.” (31:16, Jack Armstrong quoting Molly Hemingway’s tweet)
“How do you know somebody’s friends with Tom Selleck?” (31:28, Joe Getty)
“Our politics are so broken. It’s very difficult to figure out how it would improve.” (49:03, Jack Armstrong)
Maintaining Armstrong & Getty’s trademark sardonic, fast-paced banter—the episode mixes wry political skepticism, lighthearted asides, and pointed critiques of power structures and cultural trends.
"Nimble & Stout" exemplifies Armstrong & Getty’s sharp-witted engagement with legal, political, and cultural news. It’s a lively, opinionated journey through the week’s biggest questions: the balance of power in America’s institutions, the unpredictable fallout from new technologies, and the circular spectacle of modern identity politics—all punctuated with humor and a dash of nostalgia.