NIMBY'S & YIMBY'S Appeal to Mayor Quimby's

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand — "NIMBY'S & YIMBY'S Appeal to Mayor Quimby's" (March 26, 2026)

Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand, hosted by Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, takes on a variety of trending news and cultural topics with their signature irreverence and wit. The main themes include the contradiction between progressive policies and local resistance (NIMBYs vs. YIMBYs), the impact of a major legal ruling against tech giants over social media “addiction,” developments regarding Iran’s influence in the Middle East, and lively discussions about baseball and the creeping presence of technology in sports. The hosts weave listener correspondence and cultural observations throughout, delivering plenty of quotable moments.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Progressive Contradictions: The Battle of NIMBYs vs. YIMBYs

• Theme: How forward-looking, left-leaning communities resist the very progressive initiatives they often advocate for when such initiatives arrive in their own backyards.
• Jack introduces the topic: “In some of the most progressive and forward thinking parts of Cal, Unicornia and other parts of the country, the very programs that the leftists promote most avidly are coming to their neighborhoods and they're screaming, wait a minute, not here. We didn't mean here.” (04:03)
• Tone: Sarcastic, bemused criticism regarding hypocrisy among activists.

2. The Social Media Addiction Lawsuit Verdict: Legal, Cultural, and Parental Implications

• Main Story: Meta (Facebook) and YouTube lost a landmark jury trial, with the companies accused of “malice, oppression, and fraud” in addicting users, especially young ones, to their platforms.
• Discussion Highlights:
  • Absurdity of the lawsuit: They debate whether non-chemical addiction is a meaningful concept in the legal context. “There's no actual usable definition of addictive when you're talking about a non chemical specifically.” — Jack (05:36)
  • Parental responsibility: Joe questions, “How do you let your six year old spend six hours a day on Instagram?” (07:33)
  • Lawsuits as a cash grab: Jack compares plaintiff attorneys to gun-slinging bounty hunters manufacturing grievances to get at deep corporate pockets. “This is the plaintiff's bar getting rich. That's what this is.” (09:04)
  • Soft-headed juries and billionaires: “Oh, yeah, with... people resent the successful and the big and the rich. And again, I despise all these companies. Well, we've got... It's easy to find a jury.” — Jack (10:24)
  • Are podcasts addictive?: Joe jokes about their own listeners: “The hours for this podcast, are they addicted? … Is that endless scrolling or doing something, whatever. That was a malicious and oppressive?” (10:40)
  • Addiction as a societal problem, not a legal one: Both encourage education and self-control over lawsuits. “It's a social issue, not a legal issue.” — Jack (11:09)
  • The Social Dilemma documentary: Jack recommends it and points out, “the greatest minds of our generation are dedicated to wasting your time and profiting from it.” (11:35)

3. Iran, the Middle East, and the “Key to the Next Century”

• Why Iran matters: Jack outlines his thesis that "defeating Iran is the key to the next century" due to its role as a promoter of political Islam and Sharia law. (03:29, 13:06)
• Changing tides in the Muslim world: Jack cites a UAE minister’s views—more Gulf states are rejecting theocratic rule in favor of modernity and prosperity. (13:06–14:17)
• Assassination of Iranian commander: The hosts cover Israel’s elimination of a key IRGC Navy leader and what it signals about US and Israeli capabilities. (20:19–20:51)
• Trump’s stance on Iran: The hosts analyze Trump’s recent Truth Social post, highlighting his tendency to treat adversaries as rational businessmen, misunderstanding “religious nut jobs.” (21:44–22:05)
• Iran’s repression: The execution of an Iranian protester demonstrates the regime’s ruthlessness; the hosts express frustration at the lack of US protest or celebrity comment. (23:59)
• Quote: “Iran is an incredibly important engine of promoting that worldwide, the notion that political Islam, Sharia law should rule.” – Jack (22:48, 23:46)

4. Baseball, Technology, and the Pursuit of Perfection

• Netflix’s MLB Broadcast: The hosts react to Netflix’s debut baseball broadcast and audience complaints about excessive interview segments during the game. (28:07–30:43)
• Baseball labor disputes and salary cap debate: Extensive discussion about major league salary disparities and the likely upcoming labor problems, especially relating to the Dodgers’ spending. (30:43–32:59)
• Robot umpires and the human element: Drawing from Jason Gay’s Wall Street Journal article, Armstrong & Getty explore the implications of automated officiating.
  • Loss of “soul” in sports: “The pursuit of perfection flies in the face of a critical lesson sports should teach, which is … stuff happens.” — Jason Gay, quoted by Jack (36:53)
  • Softness in youth sports: Review culture encourages the belief that every call can and should be perfect, eroding acceptance of imperfection and luck. (36:53–37:16)
  • Philosophical insights: “Perfection is overrated. That's not sports, that's philosophy.” (41:02)
  • The hosts’ view: While faster reviews are good, too much tech risks stripping the character, fun, and rhythm from the game. (41:56–42:08)

5. Listener Mailbag & Cultural Oddities

• Addiction to Armstrong & Getty?: A listener jokes about being addicted to the podcast and playfully suggests suing for potholders. “I’m pretty much addicted to the show … Did I win an iPad? … Maybe I'll sue you.” — Listener Ryan (47:28)
• Robot design & the uncanny valley: Listener Mike offers detailed insight into why humanoid robots are designed as such—for maximum compatibility with human environments and to seem less threatening. (48:39)
• Everyday human quirks: The mailbag includes fun discussions about habits like sock-putting, urinating in front of spouses, and towel usage. “Which one of us is aberrant here?” — Joe (50:56)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jack Armstrong on legal definition of addiction: “Let's not skip over the fact that there's no actual usable definition of addictive when you're talking about a non chemical specifically.” (05:36)
• Joe Getty on parental responsibility: “How do you let your six year old spend six hours a day on Instagram?” (07:33)
• Jack Armstrong on attorney cash grab: “This is plaintiffs attorneys realizing, oh, my God, we have a cash gusher here. A gusher.” (08:08)
• Jack Armstrong on tech companies’ goals: “The greatest minds of our generation are dedicated to wasting your time and profiting from it.” (11:35)
• Joe Getty on the new baseball tech: “You've stated that the computer's better than the human. That's what you're stating.” (35:29)
• Jason Gay (as read by Jack): “The pursuit of perfection flies in the face of a critical lesson sports should teach … sometimes people get it right, sometimes people get it wrong, but it usually evens out. Learning to accept this rhythm is … a critical part of being an adult.” (36:53–37:16)
• Jack Armstrong on the value of imperfection: “In our endless chase of machine refinement, I think we're missing the value of human irregularity.” (40:30)
• Listener Ryan on podcast 'addiction': “Did I win an iPad? Listening. How about some potholders? Or maybe I'll sue you.” (47:28)
• On bathroom habits & towels (Mailbag): “Which one of us is aberrant here?” — Joe (50:56)

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Segment Timestamps

• Opening theme & sponsor spots: 00:00–03:29 (skipped for summary)
• Intro & NIMBY v YIMBY hypocrisy: 03:29–04:43
• Tech lawsuit verdict, social media “addiction,” legal analysis: 04:43–12:46
• Iran, UAE, Gulf states, Trump’s stance: 13:06–14:41, revisit at 20:19–24:41
• Baseball: Netflix broadcast, labor unrest, salary cap: 28:07–32:59
• Robot umpires, perfection vs human element (Jason Gay essay): 32:59–42:08
• Listener Mailbag — Podcast “addiction”, robot design, cultural habits: 47:28–51:00

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Conclusion

Armstrong & Getty’s "NIMBY'S & YIMBY'S Appeal to Mayor Quimby's" is classic A&G: sharp, funny, and wide-ranging. The hosts blend cultural commentary, legal skepticism, sports philosophy, and playful listener engagement, anchoring the show in their quick-witted, skeptical personalities. The episode is a mix of serious discussion about the contradictions in progressive advocacy, concerns over the legal system's approach to modern addictions, deep dives into international policy, and irreverent observations about tech's impact on sports and everyday life. For listeners, it’s both informative and entertaining—a must-listen for fans and a rich recap for anyone who missed the episode.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the Georgia George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here, Armstrong, get it.

[Joe Getty]

Attempting not to act with, what's the phrase? Malice, oppression or fraud. It's the Armstrong and Getty show. Deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty show compound. And today we are toiling under the

[Jack Armstrong]

title of the show, defeating Iran is the key to the next century. I become convinced of that. Or on a lighter note, NIMBYs and YIMBYs appeal to Mayor Quimby's okay, what is that? It's a battle over, and I love this so much. In some of the most progressive and forward thinking parts of Cal, Unicornia and other parts of the country, the very programs that the leftists promote most avidly are coming to their neighborhoods and they're screaming, wait a minute, not here. We didn't mean here. So we'll discuss that.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sure I'm gonna love that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Malice, oppression and fraud. That's what the jury decided meta and YouTube were up to.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hell, I try to get that done before 10am most days. You know, I've been malicious and fraudulent, but I haven't been. What was the last one?

[Joe Getty]

Oppressive.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I haven't oppressed anyone. I don't.

[Joe Getty]

We'll have to talk more about this later. I don't. I still don't get this ruling. Uh, I only know what I've read. I didn't sit in the courtroom the

[Jack Armstrong]

whole time, but, oh, I know exactly what to make of the ruling.

[Joe Getty]

Do you? Yeah, because they Keep leaning at least on the news coverage of the fact that the product was designed to be addictive. Well, since when has that been a thing? We have so many things that are designed to be addictive. Potato chips, sitcoms, pop music, Pokemon cards. It's endless.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's not skip over the fact that there's no actual usable definition of addictive when you're talking about a non chemical specifically.

[Joe Getty]

They mentioned several times. And again, I wasn't in the court. My only. I'm getting this through the reporting of what they were saying there in the, you know, closing arguments and what the jury said. But the endless scrolling. What, you're gonna beat up a company for feeding you a lot of what you like? Yeah, I just. So I don't understand that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know, it's terrible. I. Who invented the game of golf? Probably some Scotsman in 1603. I'm gonna sue him. I'm gonna dig him up and sue him because I'm absolutely addicted to the game. I mean, I've spent decades toiling and improving on this stupid game. If that's not addiction, nothing is.

[Joe Getty]

So money, lots of money.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God, uncountable amounts of money.

[Joe Getty]

Wouldn't that be something? If you could total up how much money have you spent on golf? And you know, you might possibly say, well, I'm willing to make that bargain for, you know, a lifetime of enjoyment or whatever. What's the point of being alive? But it would probably be a shocking number.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if you include greens fees and like memberships and stuff like that. Never mind the equipment. Oh yeah. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's not quite a lifestyle, but it's close.

[Joe Getty]

But so am I, am I missing something? And I realized that was the case was about this one particular woman and how she got addicted using my finger quotes. Because we don't have a working definition of addiction really for anything, let alone scrolling Instagram. But you know, she'd spend six, six hours a day on it when she was a little kid and then 16 hours a day when she was a teenager. And, and the. I saw the lawyers for the winning side because Zuckerberg and Google did get hit with a big fine and penalty and everything like that. The lawyers for the winning side saying, no more blaming the parents.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why not?

[Joe Getty]

How do you let your six year old spend six hours a day on Instagram?

[Jack Armstrong]

This is horrible in several different ways. That's one of them. The other one is that. And when I said I can explain exactly what's going on I wasn't going to get into this. Now, I'll give you the very, very short version, but this is plaintiffs attorneys realizing, oh, my God, we have a cash gusher here. A gusher. And we are going to. You know, I'll hit you with my metaphor. I was thinking about this before the show. You're going to like this. And I have friends, family members, people I love and respect who have done a lot of good for me, who are attorneys. A lot of them are great, and they're necessary. On the other hand, you know those Clint Eastwood movies where Clint would ride into town, he was the mysterious stranger, and the little town would either hire him or he would feel morally compelled to defend them against the. The evil gang that would always ride into town and rape and pillage and plunder. Right.

[Joe Getty]

You made that joke about my burrow. He didn't think that was funny. Apology.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, man, I gotta dig up some of those movies. I love them so much. But anyway, what if Clint rode into town and instead of being told, hey, you know, the. The Jones Gang is gonna be back any day now, and you better hide, because, I mean, what if Clint rolled around saying, like, to a rancher, hey, how's it going? Is your. Your neighbor's cattle ever stray on your land? Well, yeah, occasionally. Of course they do. Their cattle, that's your land. I mean, they're eating your grass. You realize that that's actionable. Would you like me to shoot him dead? So instead of some compelling cause coming to Clint so he could shoot somebody dead, the inevitable outcome, he goes around trying to convince people who needs to be shot dead. And the first 99 people you go to and say, hey, you fell off that ladder. They didn't warn you that falling off the ladder could hurt you. First 99 people say, it's an effing ladder. I know what it is. I fell off. I'm an idiot. But if you can drum up enough of that hundred, you go looking for somebody, shoot in the head. And the deeper the pockets, the more aggressive the search is. So, yeah, this is. This is terrible. This is the plaintiff's bar getting rich. That's what this is. And I. And if you listen to the show, you know this. I despise social media, so I hate them to my core.

[Joe Getty]

I wish it didn't exist at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

It's terrible for me. It's terrible for everyone. But I just. I don't get how you can draw any lines on this. Making a product people really, really like

[Jack Armstrong]

and you can't, which Gets us to your pieces of a piece of analysis, which is soft head juries. You can convince them of anything. It's just a money spigot.

[Joe Getty]

Especially if it's a big rich company.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. Oh, yeah, with, with the whole, you know, billionaires shouldn't even exist, you know, zeitgeist, where people resent the successful and the big and the rich. And again, I despise all these companies. Well, we've got. It's easy to find a jury.

[Joe Getty]

We've got thousands upon thousands of thousands of people that download the podcast every single day. The hours for this podcast, are they addicted? Are you all who do that every single day? Are you addicted? If we say, coming up next hour, the top five dog breeds and you tune in next hour because I said that, is that endless scrolling or doing something, whatever. That was a malicious and oppressive. Because I kept you around for another hour. I don't understand how you draw the line on these things.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, to me, as always, it is a social issue, not a legal issue. I'd encourage everybody to find and watch the Social Dilemma, which is a documentary that came out a number of years ago. But it's absolutely brilliant and it's very watchable with kids and teenagers, for what it's worth. But it talks about how the big tech companies have tapped into neuropsychology, to quote unquote, addict you. Clearly, it's instead insidious and it's powerful, but it's probably not legitimately actionable because it's just using. You know, as I've often said, the greatest minds of our generation are dedicated to wasting your time and profiting from it. They're just much better at what Jack was describing. Hey, something really good's coming up, so you might want to stay tuned. They've just gotten like astoundingly, somewhat terrifyingly good at that. Know that and stay away. Hey, cocaine makes you feel fantastic, but it'll ruin your life. Don't do cocaine. Don't do social media.

[Joe Getty]

About video games. I mean, that started before social media. Kids being by the definition they're using in the trial. Oh, addicted to video games.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I agree.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, we'll talk more about that kind of coming up later. But there are thousands of cases that were waiting for this verdict and lots of lawyers thinking, man, I'm going to get rich off of this. And then I don't know how companies are going to go forward trying to protect themselves from getting sued. How do we make a product that people like? But if we make it too good, if we make people like it too much. We're on the hook for gazillions of dollars.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know how that works.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

threatens Iran, that threatens this regime, because we are open, we are progressive, we are tolerant, we're a vibrant economy. They have inflation. Their currency is in free fall. They had a spate of killing protesters in January. This is a really ruthless regime. And President Trump is right to hold it to account. Today. That is. Well, I'll tell you who it is. It's the foreign minister from the uae and she is part of what convinced me that defeating Iran is the key to the next century. She is part of a growing part of the Muslim world that's like, hey, we don't want theocratic dictators employing or imposing Sharia law either. We'd like a nice economy. We'd like our people to be happy and prosperous. Weird Beard and his throwback religion. That's not us. And we need to empower them and disempower Iran. It occurred to me Iran is the. Is the great caliphate that ISIS was looking for. It's a slightly different breed of Islam, but it's the same idea.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's been sporting the idea of Shariaism around the world.

[Joe Getty]

Apparently all those Gulf states really want us to finish the job at this point and of course Israel certainly does. Trump with a heck of a truth social post about this just a couple of hours ago. We can get to that and the rest of the news of the day and a bunch of headlines on the way. Stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

we're going to get to some important headlines, but we got into a Chuck Norris discussion during the commercials.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, indeed.

[Joe Getty]

And I said I've got some interesting Chuck Norris news that's not exactly favorable to him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, and I'm I hate to hear that because I have touted him as a good and decent man. Oh boy.

[Joe Getty]

Well, he might be. It might just have been at the times. Although it was 1989. There's some pictures floating around. This is local to where we broadcast from high school graduation in Turlock. Apparently he attended the high school graduation as a 49 year old. There's pictures of him there in the crowd to watch his girlfriend graduate from high school who was 18.

[Jack Armstrong]

What?

[Joe Getty]

And there were a bunch of people on Facebook. Yes, I was in that class. 19 class of 1989. He was there but he was so excited.

[Jack Armstrong]

He was how old?

[Joe Getty]

49.

[Jack Armstrong]

And she was a high schooler. Although growing up. Please. Yeah, you wouldn't.

[Joe Getty]

If your if your daughter's 18 and she's dating 49 year old TV star. You don't think. Well, she's a grown up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. That's.

[Joe Getty]

I'll throw in an allegedly but I mean this looks pretty damn solid from the picture.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So a handful of headlines. Katie's off today. The top story probably that meta and YouTube lost in that Big California trial. No money's going to change hand for a long time because there are going to be all sorts of appeals. But, but it's, it's gonna shake big tech, I think, and big law.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. We'll talk more about that later. On the Iran front, there's a number of different things. First of all, Israel announced that they killed the commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Navy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

That supposedly is the dude that is in charge of keeping the Strait of Hormuz closed. And he's dead. That doesn't mean the strait's gonna open, but gonna need a new person, meet another boss there.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it re. Re. Re. Illustrates the incredible efficiency with which the Israel, we, the Americans can dispatch somebody if we decide to.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that, that's gotta be worrisome. I mean, they're still making brave talk among the leadership that remains, but they can't be that happy with the status quo.

[Joe Getty]

You wouldn't think. So before I get to Trump's truth Social post, which gets to some of what you were just saying. Wall Street Journal headline, Trump is urging advisors to bring an end to the Iran war in the coming weeks. Yeah. No, Mark Halperin's reporting is that behind the scenes Trump is vacillating back and forth between, let's just end this thing and be done with it and make a mark for history. Go big Marines, win this thing, take the regime out. You know, you're, you're, you're, you're one for the history books.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. And I would argue, and I'm super excited about talking about this, that those people are right. We'll talk about that later, maybe Kickoff hour two.

[Joe Getty]

Here's Trump's truth Social post. The Iranian negotiators are very different and strange. Strange being in quotes. Now, before we go on, I think that gets to what you've been saying. Trump thinks everybody's a businessman and does what's in their best financial interest. He can't really conceive of religious nut jobs.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And trying to deal with them. So I think that's what that is. The Iranian negotiators are very different and strange. They are begging us to make a deal, which they should be doing. So they've been militarily obliterated with zero chance of a comeback. Which is all true. And yet the. They publicly state that they are only looking at our proposal wrong. They better. And this is the part, you know, look back to Maduro, look back to Soleimani, look back to the. The first strike on Iran. This statement they better get serious soon before it's too late. Because once that happens, there is no turning back and it won't be pretty. Yeah, he has followed through on that sort of threat several times in his presidencies.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, me and my jihad against jihad and Sharia law and expansionist political Islam, I think it's the biggest problem facing the Western world, maybe after falling birth rates. But the reading I've done recently, and I'll bring some of it to you, is that Iran is an incredibly important engine of promoting that worldwide, the notion that political Islam, Sharia law should rule. Because until the revolution in Iran, even in Iran, the notion was no, no, no, no. The clerics are like, you're the minister in your town, the priest in your church, whatever, the rabbi at your synagogue. They're not to be meant, they're not meant to be involved in politics. The whole. With all due respect to the prophet, that was then, this is now. But Iran turned that on its head and said, oh no, no, no, no. Islam should run every aspect of society for everyone, including non believers. The dimmy demi, however you pronounce it and that's it needs to be snuffed out.

[Joe Getty]

Well, whoever's in charge over there and making decisions certainly wanted to send the message to the world over the weekend when they hung that, that wrestler who was a celebrity there in Iran that no, worse, we're the same Iran. Wayne, backing down a bit. They hung that poor young guy because he participated in the, the protests. That's an awful thing. And have you heard a peep out of anybody in the United States? Any celebrity or even politician?

[Jack Armstrong]

Really? Code pink, college kids, Anybody? No, of course not. Oh, and the other aspect that I really wanted to bring to you and we had the, the opening clip was from her, that foreign minister from the UAE and mbs. I mean like everybody in the Gulf is not standing up for Islam. They're like, no, crush that regime.

[Joe Getty]

Get rid of them.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're maniacs.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, we got a lot more in the way. If you missed a segment at the podcast, Armstrong and Getty on demand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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Major League Baseball season officially kicked off. Officially kicked off on Netflix with a

[Joe Getty]

game between the Yankees and the Giants.

[Jack Armstrong]

Usually if you want to see someone get to third bas on Netflix, you have to watch Bridgerton.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, hey now actually really baseball season kicks off today with all the other teams playing. But you had two teams play last night. It was the Yankees at Giants. It was Netflix first game and so they spent a lot of money to have one solo game to start off the baseball season.

[Jack Armstrong]

I watched a little of the broadcast.

[Joe Getty]

I did see comments and he can't judge anything off of comments really because people go on comment pages to complain and they're usually losers. Those of you who complain on comments pages about really anything are losers. I can't imagine ever doing that. I can't imagine ever going on a TV show, restaurant, celebrity, anything to complain about your performance in a movie or whatever.

[Jack Armstrong]

I have, I have registered, I have commented on articles directly to the journalists when they included egregious leave outs, but it's always gentlemanly.

[Joe Getty]

So later we'll play this clip. Barry Bonds, one of the most famous baseball players of all time, told a story he'd never told before during the game last night about how the Yankees wanted him. George Steinbrenner himself, not George Costanza or Larry David, but the actual George Steinbrenner was on the phone with Barry Bonds and said, but, but I need your decision by 2:30 today. And Barry Bonds hung up on him like, like nobody talks to me like that. And he went to lunch and it turned out George Steinbrenner was serious. Call me back like and let me know in an hour or the deal's off. And Barry Bonds was like fine, f you, I don't. Nobody talks to me like that. And he ended up being a San Francisco Giant because of it. Kind of an interesting story or San Francisco, yeah. But that interview underneath the interview, all the comments about Netflix were what kind of game is this? It's interview after interview while the game is going on. And while that Barry Bonds interview was happening, I did notice there were a number of hits. They just had the camera on it showing the game happening while they were interviewing players or celebrities or various people.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was like a two screen experience on the one screen, I guess.

[Joe Getty]

But so lots of complaints about, hey, how about you never do baseball game again if you're gonna do all interviews. So I don't know if that's what it was like or, or not. But that was their first go around. Netflix baseball.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking of baseball. And this is, it's definitely about baseball, but it also, if you're in a philosophical frame of mind, it also brings up interesting questions about the free market. And then story number two about our relationship with technology. Story number one is it is. It is practically a certainty that there's going to be a lockout and a serious, serious labor problem in Major League Baseball at the end of this season. This year, next winter. Next winter.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, so we'll get through the whole season.

[Jack Armstrong]

Correct. And then it is probably going to be a train wreck.

[Joe Getty]

Interrupt. The Dodgers winning three in a row.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that is actually story number one. And it is the Dodgers and the idea of a salary cap that are. That's at the top of this because the smaller market teams are saying, look, we cannot compete. This is going to ruin the sport. Our fans are going to go away and then what are you going to have? And the people who, the players association, which doesn't want a salary cap. Every other major league sport in the sport in the United States has a salary cap, but not baseball. They're saying, oh, wait a minute, there is parody. It's better than any other sport. And they point to the last 10 seasons as evidence. Seven different teams have won the title, 13 have reached the World Series, 18 different teams have advanced to the semifinals, blah, blah, blah. But when you break it down a little bit by market size, your top half of markets, 12 teams have made it to a championship series. Seven of them won the series. Your bottom 15 markets, not 12, but six teams made a championship series and zero of them won a world series in the past 10 years. Is that. Yeah. So since 2016. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I haven't done the math on this, but it sure seems like the Dodgers have done something different than any other team in any other sport that we've allowed in America, at least in the modern era, in terms of just going out and paying insane amounts of money to have the best players that are available.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. They've taken it farther than they.

[Joe Getty]

It's like an experiment to see what would happen if you did this right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the, the bottom half of market sized teams are saying we don't want to do this experiment. It's going to ruin us anyway. Anyway, the second baseball related thing I wanted to bring up, and this is the whole relationship between technology and human beings is about the so called robot umpires, the computer strike zone thing. And you asked me Jack, a question about what I thought of it and will it lead to this, that and I kind of hemmed in haw and said my gosh, that would take a long time. Plus I wanted to organize my thoughts. Well, Jason Gay, the fabulous writer on sports for the Wall Street Journal has done just that thing and I thought it was brilliant. And he starts with I'm supposed to be cool about the robot umpires and how it's, it's good to get it right. And it's actually a very quick system. It's way faster than football appeals or whatever Saw the first one Instantaneous.

[Joe Getty]

Saw the first in season appeal last night during the Yankees game and it was really quick. And, and, and the very first time it ever did it, the ump was right.

[Jack Armstrong]

He says I'm supposed to remind everyone that real human umpires are going to call the vast, vast majority of pitches with the real human eyes. That's what I'm supposed to say. It' much fun to be a technophobe dinosaur fuddy dud. He goes on and on. For the record, I like a lot of baseball's changes. He talks about the pitch clock.

[Joe Getty]

I agree with that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Et cetera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. Still, this is what I worry about. And this is the great part. It reminds me, speaking of people who don't like sports, I get it. You don't have to. But there have been great writers and thinkers who've looked at the world through the lens of sports throughout the years. I could name some George Willett. Yeah. For instance. Yeah. Grantland Rice, the granddaddy of. Anyway, here's what he worries about. Number one, baseball is going to inevitably phase out the plate umpire. One of the most soulful theatrical characters in American sports.

[Joe Getty]

No doubt. Seabox Bunny.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know that's right. I know that sounds super baseball pretentious like I should be wearing a straw hat and a bow tie, but I don't care. He says the automatic ball strike system is being called a crowd pleasing compromise played on pyre with a digital minder. But that's not how technology works. As Brian Walsh wrote in Vox. Quote wrote once you've conceded that the machine is the final authority on whether a call Is right. You've quietly eliminated the case for having the human there at all. Well, which was your point.

[Joe Getty]

That was my point yesterday. You've. If you're going to allow twice per game for each team to challenge it, yours. You've stated that at least twice.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because if you're right on both of them, you get to keep doing it.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Jacob Goldstein]

You.

[Joe Getty]

You can only get it wrong twice. Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Too unsuccessful. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

So. But you've stated that the computer's better than the human. That's what you're stating.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. And so once you have that, how

[Joe Getty]

do you make the argument that the human's there at all?

[Jack Armstrong]

You can't. As Jason writes, pretty soon everybody's going to be asking the obvious question. If we're relying on the tech to make an important call, why aren't we doing it on every call? And then he makes a joke about major league umpires learning football rules. He's right. If the plate umpire goes with it goes one of baseball's most entertaining maddening presidences. A puff chested judge and ju a baked in villain. Essential part of the game's pacing and flow. How much baseball culture revolves around the home plate ump? A lot. Nobody's screaming at a digital umpire to go to the optometrist. Norman Rockwell did not paint digital strike zones a robot cannot throw out. Earl Weaver, a great old reference. He says, this feels like a wind down. I feel fear. The plate ump is doomed.

[Joe Getty]

Second. I think so too. And. And we would lose something there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Second point as he gets a little more philosophical. But I think he's right. The trickle down effect is going to be grim. One of the most pernicious side effects of video review challenge culture is its effect on school and youth sports. At the highest level, we have reinforced the idea that every call is important or worse, that the standard should be 100% accuracy when not even the robots are 100% accurate.

[Joe Getty]

I like this. That is something I've kind of thought but couldn't put the words to. That is really good. Good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. Yeah, me too. The pursuit of perfection flies in the face of a critical lesson sports should teach, which is in competition, stuff happens. Sometimes people get it right, sometimes people get it wrong, but it usually evens out. Learning to accept this rhythm is a critical part of being an adult.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Sometimes you get good breaks, sometimes you get bad breaks, but it evens out. That is. That's pretty good, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

I was taught very early in my career as a pitcher the, ump is gonna blow calls. You must accept it and move on. You have no alternative. You don't wanna piss em off. And since it's inevitable, just take a deep breath and keep going. That's not a baseball lesson, that's a life lesson.

[Joe Getty]

No kidding.

[Jack Armstrong]

Perfection also reeks of gambling culture. Jason Gay writes. Sports have allowed their most inconsequential moments to be commodified into betting opportunities with already perilous results. If money's on the line, nobody's very interested in the rhythm of. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're. Forensic style review introduces a seriousness to something that's supposed to be fleeting and fun. It's also boring. Which leads me to my last worry.

[Joe Getty]

Go ahead. Yeah, that, that, that is all that stuff is really, really good. Fleeting and fun and it lends an area of like this is very, very important.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

It's weird.

[Jack Armstrong]

I get non Baseball fans are flabbergasted by this. But now baseball has coldly defined the strike zone is 17 inches of plate, 8.5 inches of plate depth, passing between 53.5 and 27% of the batter's height. I thought about this and then I had to lie down on a park bench. Baseball pledges ABs will be lightning quick compared to something like the NBA's Halting Challenge system, in which the refs stand around trying to see whose fingernail touched the ball last and is the pits of the earth. It's awful. I know some of you are thinking, what's the big deal? Almost every major sport has electronic reviews. Why worry about the occasional clarification from a robot on pirates tennis, for instance? You're not even going to notice the system after a few months. That may be true still, in our endless chase of machine refinement, I think we're missing the value of human irregularity. This is something that gets lost in the conversation about AI and creativity. There's little doubt that AI can capably produce content, but it also introduces a sameness, a homogeneity geneity in which nothing is too good or too bad. In outsourcing the human, it strips out the soul that connects the audience. I'm not saying there's virtue in an umpire being wrong. I'm just saying perfection is overrated. That's not sports, that's philosophy.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, I'll say for the eight millionth time, and I'll keep it short.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've been.

[Joe Getty]

I've been against with all of the review stuff. I just don't like anything that slows down the game. But all my favorite hardcore. The more hardcore the sports fan, the more likely they're gonna say the most important. I don't care how long it takes. The most important thing is you get the call right? That's. That's seems to be the experience. The more you love sports, the more you're in the got to get the call right no matter what crowd, which is kind of runs opposite of this thing for some reason.

[Jack Armstrong]

Reminds me of politics in a way that the hardcore primary voter, for instance, really doesn't represent the. The massive voters at all. And yet they drive the bus in a lot of ways. Yeah. The pursuit of perfection, the removal of human imperfection and frailty and ticks and uniqueness and the controversy and the character and. Careful, careful, folks.

[Joe Getty]

That's some good stuff there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I thought so. I'm glad.

[Joe Getty]

At least it's fast though. I saw last night. At least it was fast. It wasn't like the NBA or the NFL. Sometimes like we'll go to commercials for five minutes and come back and decide whether we should be cheering like crazy or not.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's insufferable.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, we got Mailbag on the way. Lots of other stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Joe Getty]

I don't think Trump is going to taco on his latest Truth Social post. If I were at all in the Iranian leadership, I would take that very, very seriously. More on that in hour two I gotta work on.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's more likely Tostada Trump often says to advance. I haven't figured it out yet, but that'd be a funny reply to that. Here's your freedom loving quote of the day. It is, oddly enough, a comment on an article I came across by just a guy when I thought I was. Well stated. It should be obvious that every O is about some way out there. Leftists and violence and stuff. Should be obvious that every WOKE movement's objective is political and financial gain, nothing else. This is what I've been trying to tell you. They dress up their goals with like moral talk about racism or transphobia or whatever, but it's all about acquiring power. And anyway, it should be obvious that every WOKE movement's objective is political and financial gain. Nothing else. If any one thing illustrates how susceptible the immature mind is to absolute brainwashing and tribalism, it's leftism. Exhibit A Antifa. Every single antifa mugshot lineup I've seen over the past 10 years is a rogue's gallery of freaks and malcontents. I'm willing to bet not a single one of them is emotionally or mentally stable.

[Joe Getty]

Probably true.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that is true. Absolutely. Absolutely. Mailbag. Drop us a note if you get a chance. Mailbagarmstrongetti.com I wish we could get to more of them because there are a lot of really, really interesting folks writing and we appreciate you reaching out. Ryan from Houston, Dear Cold Warrior and old Fancy Jack Someone who's listened since 01 when I discovered podcasts, one of the first things I did was see if I could get Armstrong and Getty. Now I'm a four hour a day listener. Often email and when you go on vacation or tame, take time off, my day is thrown off. In fact, getting an email read is often the highlight of my day. I'm pretty much addicted to the show. Oof. So he says. I'm pretty much addicted to the show. Did I win an iPad? Listening. How about some potholders? Or maybe I'll sue you.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, glad you like the show, but hope you can work in some other highlights.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, Ryan's going through a tough time.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mike Wright Guys, on the Wednesday edition of the One More Thing podcast, the question was asked, oh, by the way, you subscribed Armstrong and Getty on demand. You automatically get downloaded the One More Thing podcast, which is never on air and so it can be a little more PG13 rated.

[Joe Getty]

By the way, the highlight of my day is often getting into the bed into bed at the end of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

So who's judging whom? Anyway, so on the Wednesday edition, One More Thing, the question was asked, why create robots with the humanoid former features? We're making the point that because of the whole uncanny Valley effect, it freaks people. I just watched the latest Elon Musk post on the Tesla robot.

[Joe Getty]

They got knees and fingers and everything.

[Jack Armstrong]

Like people.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So Mike says, Here are a few ideas. Existing vehicles, tools, buildings are built with the human form in mind. Operating a vehicle, navigating a commercial kitchen, ascending a flight of stairs, stepping over a curtain curb are things a humanoid robot could do easier than robots with wheels or bulky extra limbs. A business would not have to buy all new equipment if robots were capable of operating the existing human compatible ones. Excellent point, Mike. Yeah, on the topic of giving a robot feminine features it may take advantage of the perception that women are less intimidating or threatening than men. Ah. If the robot I display at the sphere had looked male, or perhaps like a chrome terminator skeleton, how differently would people how different would people's reactions appear been? Wow. It's excellent insights, Mike. Thank you, bud.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, the robot at the spear was a shapely, attractive woman robot for whatever reason.

[Jack Armstrong]

Attractive to do what, sir? Right, Yeah. D From B Rights within the last several months, I've had two big revelations from your One More Thing podcast. Number one, I had no idea how many people sit to put their socks on and think standing is crazy. This was news to me, as I've always stood to put my socks on. What? What I know what I know.

[Joe Getty]

One more time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Simple argue Are you what? C I'd fall over. Now I ask.

[Joe Getty]

But I don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now I ask my friends and family what they do too. I just learned that there are lots of people who don't urinate in front of their spouses. Not only that, they've never even considered it or talked about it. My wife and I never even discussed it. We've been doing that in front of each other since we nearly since we started dating 20 years ago. Humans are wild. Yeah, I know. And then he says, and I found this amusing. This also reminds me of a story my wife just told me about showing up to college with a roommate who had 20 bath towels. My wife had two. Turns out the roommate never used a towel more than once before putting it in the laundry. The two girls looked at each other trying to figure out who was the crazy one.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's usually the question.

[Joe Getty]

Which one of us is aberrant here?

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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