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Joe Getty
All the cable news has Donald Trump on there and he's surrounded by guys in hard hats and I thought why are they going live coverage wall to wall on every channel? Because Trump's there for the new flag polls that are going up at the White House. They're going to start the construction on putting up the new super tall flag poles.
Jack Armstrong
Which polls?
Joe Getty
All of them. Okay, okay, that's funny. It's because reporters are asking about Iran. Okay, well that's a good reason and a couple of headlines out of this and maybe we'll get the audio later. Iran offered to come to the White House Trump says it's very late for Iran to start negotiating. There's a big difference between now and a week ago. So he's basically saying the negotiating time is over and taking it for what it obviously is, a stall tactic. And when the whole thing is, if they can hold out maybe another week or two, they get a nuclear weapon.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, right.
Joe Getty
Yeah, right. So he didn't say anything that made it seem less likely that we're gonna bomb Iran in the next couple of days for certain. Right.
Jack Armstrong
He was actually asked that directly and wouldn't answer it. But yeah, the whole. No, no, that time has passed. I try to make it clear that there would be a moment. It's too late. It's now too late.
Joe Getty
So Joe's got a bunch of stuff from Mailbag with people arguing why we should or shouldn't get involved in Iran. And that's the focus of this Tucker Carlson thing. So Tucker Carlson is probably the, the, the, the, the leading voice or the point person for the non interventionist crowd in America right now. Do you think that's fair?
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, sure. Might as well be. Yeah. And spoke at the convention. Spoke at the convention.
Joe Getty
Yeah. And, and got a roar. I was there when he walked in the place and he got a roaring standing ovation when Tucker Carlson walked out. And he's a big. We shouldn't get involved anywhere, anytime. And I'm barely overstating that. I'm not sure which situations he would be willing to get involved in, but that's his position. And some of you agree that he is making a lot of noise the last couple of days trying to slow down this us getting involved in the war in Iran. And he had Senator Ted Cruz of Texas on his show. I noticed in watching the video last night that Ted is wearing what he told us are his arguing boots. When we met with Ted several years ago, I admired his boots. And he said, these are my arguing boots. And he did get in some argument with Tucker Carlson on his show and this is how it went.
Jack Armstrong
How many people live in Iran, by the way? I don't know the population at all? No, I don't know the population. You don't know the population of the country you seek to topple? How many people living around 92 million. Okay. Yeah. How could you not know that?
Joe Getty
I, I don't sit around memorizing population tables.
Jack Armstrong
Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the overthrow of the government.
Joe Getty
Why is it relevant whether it's 90.
Jack Armstrong
Million or 80 million or 100 million, why is it because if you don't know anything about the country.
Joe Getty
I didn't say I don't know anything about.
Jack Armstrong
Okay. What's the ethnic mix of Iran?
Joe Getty
They are Persians and predominantly Shia.
Jack Armstrong
Okay, you don't know anything about Iran. So.
Richard Karn
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Joe Getty
I am not the, the Tucker Carlson expert on Iran.
Jack Armstrong
You're a senator who's calling. You're the one who's throwing.
Joe Getty
The country. No, you don't know anything about the country. You're the one who claims they're not.
Jack Armstrong
Trying to murder Donald Trump. You know I'm not saying that.
Joe Getty
Who can't figure out if it's a.
Jack Armstrong
Good idea to kill General Soleimani. And you said it was bad they're trying to murder Trump.
Joe Getty
Yes, I do.
Jack Armstrong
Because you're not calling for military strikes against them in retaliation. And if they really believe that carrying.
Joe Getty
Out military strikes today, you said Israel was right with our help.
Jack Armstrong
I said we, Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them. Well, this, you're breaking news here because the US Government last night denied, the National Security Council spokesman Alex Pfeiffer denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity.
Joe Getty
We're not bombing them.
Jack Armstrong
Israel's bombing them. You just said we were. We are supporting Israel. Senator, if you're saying the United States government is Iran right now, people are listening.
Joe Getty
I don't know if you've ever done this when you argue with people, but if you go with the kind of super calm, why are you so upset? You can really make people nuts.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, we have a running joke sometimes it's on the air around here that you should take my how to argue unfairly seminars. Tucker Carlson, who is a next level, elite level crafter of language and arguments, is one of the most blatantly, shamelessly unfair arguers I've ever heard in my life. He can, he can take any phrase, find a shade of meaning you didn't mean, and act as if it is self evident that that was your entire meaning. He does that over and over again. Or like he, you know, he will memorize a couple of facts about a country. And if you don't answer his gotcha questions, which I've actually heard Tucker blast reporters for asking in the past, if you don't have the answers to those gotcha questions, it's proof positive that you don't care. You're an ignoramus and just a careening buffoon that was a masterclass in how to argue unfairly.
Joe Getty
Well, you did say before the show Today, when we were having our meeting, it was probably one of your Rorschach tests, where if you lean Tucker's direction on this whole deal, you probably think, man, he destroyed Ted Cruz. Yeah. And if you lean the other direction, you feel like he did not. That is a tiny clip. That's the tease that Tucker released yesterday to try to entice you to watch the whole thing today, which I would guess it's very, very long. In the modern world of podcasts and video casts and everything, every. Everybody's interview is like an hour and a half long. I don't know how old this one or how long this one is. To me, it's some indication that Tucker is in the for profit business more than just being a guy who cares about his country. Because if he thought he landed some really good points about stopping attacking Iran, which could happen at any moment, I would think you'd go ahead and release that stuff rather than put out a tease and then wait a whole day to maximize viewership for profit.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
If your main goal was stopping a war, you think it's going to be World War Three and destroy the country. I would think the interview newsworthiness would elevate it to, you know, get it out there immediately.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Yeah, I suppose so. Or.
Joe Getty
Or there's not much more to the interview. Maybe that was by far the only interesting part. I doubt it, though. I doubt that. I'll bet it's pretty good.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I think so. That was an interesting clip to release, though, in that it was not a substantive argument about the merits of one policy or another. It was trying to pants Ted Cruz. Well, Tucker's been arguing of his point of view.
Joe Getty
Yeah, Tucker's been arguing for a long time that we get into wars with these countries, we don't know anything about them. And, you know, no, he's. He's got an argument there in that we go into Iraq or Afghanistan with just the assumption that of course they want democracy and a variety of things that just aren't true.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, there's plenty of that in Vietnam, too. It's, you know, different situation, pretty complicated. Obviously, we're not going to re litigate the Vietnam War, but yeah, there was a. Some of that. Absolutely.
Joe Getty
So I'm glad you compiled some people's arguments on why they think we shouldn't get involved, because I want to hear them actually.
Jack Armstrong
Earth.
Joe Getty
Why we should get involved. I want to hear those also.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, yeah. Well, we have them both. Why don't we take a break and come back with them?
Joe Getty
All right. Where are, where. What is your percentage right now on shoulder shooting? When we went into Iraq, I kept saying I'm 51, 49, 4. But I could easily be argued the other direction. I was not hardcore. This is a good idea, but I wasn't hardcore as a bad idea. Which maybe makes me just a weak person, I don't know. But on this one I'm more like 9010 that it needs to happen, not go to. Well, it is. We are going to war if we drop bombs on them. But I don't want to, you know, put boots on the ground and march into Tehran and overthrow the government and try to reinstall a new gun and all that sort of stuff.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, yeah. Very limited involvement. So you're asking what's mine?
Joe Getty
Yeah, I'm 90 10.
Jack Armstrong
I think this is going to be one of my all time dodges. I'll just tell you in advance. I don't know how necessary we are to set back the nuclear program like a decade or so because I don't, I don't know what Israel's capabilities are and I don't know enough about the Fordo reactor or the centrifuges and the rest of it. Based on what I know, I think it's a good idea.
Joe Getty
But I don't won't take a stand. I don't know enough profiles and I don't know enough.
Jack Armstrong
You're right. Information is such a burden.
Joe Getty
I'm trying to go with a kind of Tucker Carlson style arguing.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, okay, yeah, we gotta bomb the mullahs back to the stone age.
Joe Getty
No, I am waiting to take over.
Jack Armstrong
Our country and install fundamentalist Islam. Although that's true, by the way. Yeah, I just. You know, when Pandora's box opens, weird crap flies out.
Joe Getty
As I recall the legend, releasing the dogs of war. Unleashing. Unleashing the dogs of war. That's why I want to talk to Mike Lyons or some military expert that we have on about what's. Tell me what's the worst case scenario if things went wrong. But we'll hear some of your arguments, both sides coming up. Stay here.
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Whether you are moving closer, you believe the US Is moving closer to striking Iranian nuclear facilities.
Jack Armstrong
Where's your mindset on that? Can't say that, right? You don't seriously think I'm going to answer that question? Will you strike the Iranian nuclear component and what time exactly, sir? Sir, would you strike it? Would you please inform us so we can be there and watch? I mean, you don't know that I'm.
Joe Getty
Going to even do it.
Jack Armstrong
You don't know. I may do it, I may not do it. I mean, nobody knows what I'm going to do. I want to hear the long version of that clip. I guess there's more of that audio, but we're going to move on to some emails from folks who are against the US getting involved in helping Israel knock out the Ford O reactor and defeat Iran. A couple of notable notes here. I'm going to feature one from frequent correspondent Justin the Truck Driver who vehemently disagrees with us on a bunch of stuff, but is always gentlemanly. Mostly about his disagreements, which I appreciate. I'll be succinct as possible. The energy and oh, first, he makes the point that the dissident right isn't just online. That's just how we communicate. Men under 30 have a very clear vision and understanding of how we got to the disaster we are currently in. I would argue much better than boomers and older Gen X. Okay, that's a hell of a statement.
Joe Getty
I'd like to hear the definition of the disaster we're currently in.
Jack Armstrong
We have to start with your assumptions and premises. You both assume Israel is our ally and our government has had the best interests of Americans for the last 45 years. I will start with the Cultural Marxist Zionist. While they might not openly support Israel in their protests, they fully support Israel in their actions. On your show a very important issue is the woke left, gender, ideology and Marxism. Well, what is the origin of these belief systems? It was the Frankfurt School and the Institute for Sexual Research in Berlin. Both came out of Weimar, Germany by Jewish radical professors. Where did Marxism come from? Karl Marx's and the bolsheviks which were 88% Jewish. The rise of the Nazi party led to all the major Jewish propagandists from the Frankfurt School coming to America. Where did they go? They went to Columbia and Yale and over time their ideas spread through academia with a lot of help of Hollywood, music industry and the culture at large. Trans rights, gay rights, pornography all came from Jewish radicals in the 40s, 50s.
Joe Getty
And 60s and therefore Iran should get to have a bomb.
Jack Armstrong
I'm going to skip JFK and Nixon, even though that's the most important part of the Zionist subversion of our government because you will just call me a conspiracy theorist. It's much easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled. Get it? I will start with the Reagan revolution and how aipac, Hollywood, Weekly Standard, National Review wiped out the Paleo conservatives to put their first puppet in office. That would be Reagan. This is the end of social conservatism and the beginnings of regime change, foreign policy, second Bush administration is where they reached their full power. We all know how that went. Another huge part of your show is Islam in the west and how it's not compatible. Well, I Fully agree and would love to see the Catholic Church organize another crusade to retake the Holy Land. I first have to deal with boomers. Why you, along with your homosexual best friend Douglas Murray, cannot piece together the regime change wars in Libya, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, etc. As the cause of the refugee crisis. Blow mind. All of those countries were toppled solely for the purpose of Israel's foreign policy. It did not benefit America or the west at all. Okay.
Joe Getty
I'm not as troubled by Ronald Reagan being president or Douglas Murray being a homosexual. If he is. I don't even know if he is as this person is.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, let's see. Nick in Minnesota writes why I'm against the war in Iran. I wanted to give you the other side's point of view, he says. Long email. I know, it's funny. There is a 100% correlation between people who apologize for the length of their email and people who actually keep it quite concise. It's funny. They're aware that they don't want to go on too long. So I apologize.
Joe Getty
Like when I'm listening to somebody talking to me. I'll try to keep this short. I know I go on and on means okay, I better take a bathroom break. This is going to take a long time.
Jack Armstrong
Right. Let's see. Jack asked why people on the right who might be described as isolationists might be the way they are. I lean that way. Know a lot of guys my age, mid-30s, right wingers who are the same. Let me preface this by saying I don't care if Israel nukes Tehran, as long as we're out of it. They live in the area. It's time they police their neighborhood for a change. They've been policing their neighborhood like crazy, Nick, for a very, very long time. Long before you were born. And that's not an insult. But I'm not going to argue point by point. I just. That one annoyed me. Let me preface this by saying. Oh, he said, here are my thoughts and what I see from my friends. 1. The last two major wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, took decades to finish. There are completely aimless quagmires that spent billions, trillions of dollars and cost thousands of lives and accomplished nothing. 2. Both of the above wars were started for just reasons. We went in with pretty clear goals. Get rid of Al Qaeda. Get rid of WMDs. For both wars, we were told they would be quick and easy. And yet both became what they became.
Joe Getty
That's a good point.
Jack Armstrong
3. Maybe because we didn't grow up during the Cold War, but a lot of people my age that I talked to don't see a nuclear armed Iran as an absolute non starter. Oh my go we see North Korea with nukes, Pakistan with nukes. Both countries are unstable and run by pretty shady governments and neither one uses their nukes because it would be a suicide. Ali Khamenei is not suicidal. He enjoys his power and wealth as much as the next desperate dictator. I would like to quibble with that point. I think it's wrong man.
Joe Getty
The people they support in Hamas and Hezbollah, I don't know if you remember October 7th. They certainly were willing to do some.
Jack Armstrong
Pretty crazy s. Yeah, I think they're actually sincere, Nick. But he says the death to Jews. America blusters just arouse the rabble and keep the extremists on his side. Nukes are a deterrent to foreign attack such as the attack they're receiving right now. And for an indisputable point and a good one, why doesn't Congress declare war anymore? Why is it all just assumed it's okay the President can order foreign countries bond because of 9 11. Even if we think Congress will ultimately declare war on Iran, can we at least go through the motions and follow our Constitution?
Joe Getty
I'm with you on that.
Jack Armstrong
Thanks for the note, Nick.
Joe Getty
I'm with you on that Congress should take back its power to declare war, which I think they would in this case. But nobody even goes through the motions anymore.
Jack Armstrong
There are a thousand decisions made in the course of this sort of thing from beginning to end that might be an undercount. In the examples you've given. There are some really terrible decisions made. I think the key is to not make terrible decisions. They would probably respond. We always make terrible decisions. Be serious. I wish we had more time. We'll talk a little about this later.
Joe Getty
Certainly not comfortable with letting Iran get a bomb and thinking it's not a big deal. We are going to have Mike Lyons on an hour three and ask him, you know, I want to ask him. Layout worst case scenario that a lot of people are worried about. What would that look like? Because I, I can't picture it. And I'm sure he can.
Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong
Two very simple words, a very simple unconditional surrender. That means I've had it.
Joe Getty
Okay, I've had it.
Jack Armstrong
I give up. No more. Then we go blow up all the, you know, all the nuclear stuff that's all over the place there. No, they had bad intentions. You know, the faith. For 40 years they've been saying death to America, death to Israel, death to anybody else that they didn't like. They were bullies, they were schoolyard bullies, and now they're not bullies anymore. But we'll see what happens.
Joe Getty
I've had it, Trump says. And it's too late for negotiations, he said on the White House lawn Just a little bit ago.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. One of the unfortunate aspects of the way we do our show, it's a live radio show and is also a po is that sometimes we come up against breaks and we can't go into depth in stuff that I would like to. For instance, the second email I read from Nick, which was lovely and thanks again, Nick, for writing it, made the point that the death to America, death to the Jews stuff is just rabble rousing. They have been bringing death to Americans since their founding. And I could go through the list of Iranian proxies in Iran itself less commonly, but that have directly attacked our facilities, our people.
Joe Getty
Sure.
Jack Armstrong
Our ships over and over and over again, including just in the last year.
Joe Getty
Yeah. They've killed thousands of US Service people over the years. And yesterday officials said that Iran appears to be starting to prepare missiles to strike US Bases in the Middle East. If we join the war, starting with our base in Iraq. We have 40,000 troops within missile range of Iran right now at 11 or 12 different bases, including there in Iraq. And it looks like they're, to me, it seems crazy that Iraq would do that, Iran would do that. I mean, just insane, like a suicide wish. But on the other hand, you know, you blew up all those Marines in Beirut. We pulled out. It drove us out of there.
Jack Armstrong
The rep is if you give America a bloody nose, it will withdraw.
Joe Getty
That's their calculation partially because politically, you know, we get a lot of people say what are we doing there? That has worked over and over. There's the example of Menachem Begin when he before, long before his prime minister, when he was, when he was leading an underground effort to get the Brits out of that part of the world way back in the 40s. I mean, he was, blew up the hotel and killed Brits and snatched soldiers off the street, had them hanged until the public back in England said, what are we doing here? This isn't our, this isn't our part of the world. We don't care anyway. And the Brits pulled out because of that. So that's, that's, that's Iran's calculation, by.
Jack Armstrong
The way, coming up later this half hour. Fabulous Supreme Court ruling. Really, really encouraging. I'm just going to touch on this note from Tom and SoCal quickly. He mentions that 40 years ago he gave a speech in college calling out Islamic fundamental fundamentalism as the number one risk to the US more than the Soviet Union. Even at the time, the premise was simple. If Islamists get weapons of mass destruction, they will use them on US In Israel, they don't care about life. They care about the glory of martyrdom, 72 virgins, et cetera. I hear people talk about no forever wars. Well, Iran has been at war with the United States since 1979. They don't want a forever war either. That's why they have a nuclear weapons program. The point being, similar to mine, we have been at war with them for a very long time. And in the interests of not escalating anything and getting into another quagmire, which is a perfectly valid point, we have been on the receiving end of a forever war.
Joe Getty
Right.
Jack Armstrong
And Israel, motivated by October 7th, obviously. And now Trump, motivated by the proximity Iran has to a bomb, an actual functioning bomb, has said, enough is enough. The forever war is over.
Joe Getty
Yeah, similar to 9 11, where we finally had the conversation. Osama bin Laden declared war on us decades ago and we pretended that he didn't. And there's a lot of that goes on with Iran, too.
Jack Armstrong
Right? Is there danger here? 100%. Hundred percent overreach, mission creep.
Joe Getty
Danger worse than letting Iran get a nuclear weapon? That's what I always come down to.
Jack Armstrong
That is the great question. And with all due respect to our younger fellows who've dropped US Notes recently and seem to believe that youth is a greater imparter of wisdom than time, these decisions are never clear at the time they are made. History has a way of presenting the past as though it were inevitable. And that, well, everybody knew that France and Britain and the Allies had to go to war against Hitler. But that damn Neville Chamberlain, that cowardly appeaser, he kept it from happening. No, not at all. Anyway, Neville Chamberlain was a very good and wise man. He was just wrong on that one.
Joe Getty
Anyway, moving along, we have major Supreme Court breaking news. It is June after all.
Jack Armstrong
That's right.
Joe Getty
Breaking news.
Jack Armstrong
Breaking news when news breaks. The donkey brace. Why? Doesn't matter. Supreme Court upholds Tennessee ban on transgender care for minors. Now, I will warn you in advance, I am reading from a liberal news outlet, and so they will use terms like ban on transgender care. I would use cruel experimental surgeries on confused children. How about we use that phrase instead? And in fact, I'll just read this. The Supreme Court on Wednesday upheld a Tennessee law that prohibits some medical treatments for transgender youths, rejecting arguments that it violates the Constitution shielding similar laws in more than 20 other states. The term transgender or transgender youths should be in quotes.
Joe Getty
How about medical treatments? That should definitely be in quotes?
Jack Armstrong
Right? Right. And this is Adam Liptak for the New York Times. They're just very good on breaking Supreme Court news and getting it out fast, which is why I'm turning to them. What that opening sentence does is accept radical gender theory as fact. The idea that outside of vanishingly small number of people, the idea of being transgender is just a thing.
Joe Getty
And the medical treatment and you're born.
Jack Armstrong
With it like you're born with your height and your blue eyes. That is radical gender theory. And it's bunk.
Joe Getty
And the medical treatments are necessary medical procedures. It's. And so they're presenting it like Tennessee has banned medical treatments for cancer. Something has occurred to happened to you or true about you. And there's can be fixed that can be fixed with these medical treatments. And Tennessee said you couldn't and the MAGA court now won't let you do that. You don't need these medical treatments.
Jack Armstrong
They're.
Joe Getty
They're trying to change your body to be more like a different gender, sex, all kinds of crazy ways that don't need to happen.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. If you're a confused adolescent, your parents are probably forcing you to listen to the show and I pity you. I will tell you this. You're perfect the way you are. You're not so effed up, somebody needs to carve up your body and pump you full of powerful chemicals. You are just the way God made you. Or if you don't believe in God, the way nature made you, you do. You don't listen to people telling you we gotta carve you up to make you who you ought to be. Don't listen to them. They're monsters. And you parents who went along with it because you're bullied and brow beaten into it, my God, the weight you're gonna carry in your heart. I actually do pity you. I feel terrible for you if you' on down this road.
Joe Getty
Really the big part of this is almost every news outlet is saying it's a huge setback for transgender rights. So if that's ludicrous, if that's the direction you lean, I mean in terms of wanting a huge setback for transgender rights. Good news for you today. It's a 6:3 ruling.
Jack Armstrong
The decision, which came amid the Trump administration's fierce assaults on transgender rights. That's a incredibly prejudicial phrase. You people suck at journalism. Was a bitter setback for the proponents only five years ago celebrated a decision by the court to protect transgender people from workplace discrimination. Totally different question.
Joe Getty
Look at all these headlines from all these left leaning outlets. So you have a majority opinion that happens to by the Supreme Court. That happens to agree with a majority of Americans and it's huge majority. It's all presented as a setback as opposed to a victory for right. If it had gone the other direction with a more left leaning court, and I don't even think a left leaning court would have done this, but anyway, if it had gone the other direction, they'd be calling it a victory for transgender rights, even though a vast majority of Americans think it's the wrong idea.
Jack Armstrong
Carving up children is not transgender rights.
Joe Getty
For transgender rights, no. It's a victory for people who think we've gone off the rails. Crazy town.
Jack Armstrong
Well said. The vote was 6 to 3, with of course, three liberal members in dissent. Chief Justice John G. Roberts, writing for the majority, acknowledged the, quote, fierce scientific and policy debates about the safety, efficacy and propriety. Yeah, propriety. Let's begin there. Of medical treatments in an evolving field. The voices in these debates raised sincere concerns. The implications for all are profound. But he said these questions should be resolved by the people, their elected representatives, and the democratic process. You folks are always screeching about democracy. Judge Roberts says, yeah, yeah, this is a great place for democracy.
Joe Getty
Are there any news outlets that are going with the old saw of they'll commit suicide if you don't get into surgery right away. That's why it's necessary medical care.
Jack Armstrong
Never mind every responsible study. British, European, American says there is no scientific basis to support that this is necessary or even a good idea in any way. I'm just, I'm not going to read their perverse language. I'm going to go ahead and paraphrase. The Tennessee law was enacted in 2023amid a sweeping national pushback to stop mutilating healthy children. Since then, controversy about military service, athletes, bathrooms and pronouns have played a role in President Trump's second term agenda. As the vast majority of Americans say, quoting Jack, the bullet train to crazy town launched without our permission and we haven't liked a single mile it's traveled. So, yes, we're going to recapture sanity. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Joe Getty
Yeah. And every, every news piece about this should include. Britain did this. They already outlawed this because it's, well, it's. Nuts.
Jack Armstrong
The freaking Dutch said, wow, this gender bending stuff for kids is sick. We're not going down that road, man.
Joe Getty
If the freaking Dutch, I mean, come on.
Jack Armstrong
They are well known lefty wackadoos in a lot of ways.
Joe Getty
Yeah, sure, absolutely. The freaking Dutch. Yeah. Okay, so it's a setback. Even though a majority of the Supreme Court and A majority of people agree with it. You call it a setback. All right.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
You're not. And you're not. You're trying to be a fair in your headline. Okay, Gotcha.
Jack Armstrong
No, they're not. Not at all. Well done, scotus. Well done. Protect those kids again. Kids, you're beautiful. You're exactly the way you're meant to be.
Joe Getty
That is absolutely something. Okay. Put a little skip in my stomach Step. So sanity won the day. We got a lot more stuff to talk about, too. I'm. I'm excited. In hour three, we're going to talk to Mike Lyons. He's a military expert. He's been in the Middle east in wars. Give me the worst case scenario that. That people keep warning us about. What would that look like?
Jack Armstrong
Like the Quagmire scenario.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Or.
Joe Getty
Or whatever the them retaliating. So we got a lot on the way. Stay here.
Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong
Would be remembered as a great speaker and then added, quote, I may be wrong. Who knows? Who the hell knows?
J.R. Martinez
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Jack Armstrong
Dave and Gloria will be together forever. Or not.
Richard Karn
Who know A lot of divorces.
Jack Armstrong
That's funny.
Joe Getty
Speaking of marriage and divorce, do you know who Kelsey Grammer is?
Jack Armstrong
Ah, of course. Frazier. TV's Frazier.
Joe Getty
I'd like. Would he be on your radar, Katie, or is he like, before your time?
Jack Armstrong
No, he's.
Joe Getty
He's on my radar. I'm trying to figure out who knows who. Who anybody is.
Jack Armstrong
Plus, he does Narrations for Fox Online projects. Anyway, about the revolution and generals.
Joe Getty
He's 70 years old and he and his wife. He is welcoming baby number eight into the world now. Or he's going to. She is pregnant here with it. This will be the fourth with his current wife. He is 70. His wife is 46. They've been married for like 15 years. They've been married for a long time. Wow.
Jack Armstrong
She's 46.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
J.R. Martinez
Having a kid.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Yeah. But that's kid number four for, for that couple. And they've been together quite a while and good for them. And he says he's happier than he's ever been. And he's got eight kids. He's marriage number three. Any who I.
Jack Armstrong
A little late in life to me, but, you know, each their own. Yeah.
Joe Getty
Man, oh man. I don't know. I suppose if you're that wealthy, you have you hire somebody that handles a lot of the physical stuff. I mean, because that'd be. I'd be pretty grueling at age 70. I mean, I did.
Jack Armstrong
I was gonna lose his dad in his youth, guaranteed.
Joe Getty
Oh, yeah.
Jack Armstrong
That's not a trivia.
Joe Getty
Nope. That's. Yeah, I know that's. That's a, that's a, that's a tough one for the, the trying to understand the world and the way it works. The, the kid not ever existing. Because it's not like the kid is going to exist with a different dad who he gets to have longer.
Jack Armstrong
Right.
Joe Getty
If you don't have him or her.
Jack Armstrong
Right. It's not like everybody was in line, you know. Yeah. To get the next kid. And that. That's this kid. No, it's not the way it works. So.
Joe Getty
Yeah. I don't know.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. So a handful of stray notes that I wanted to squeeze in. Boy, we don't have a lot of time, do we? I was reminded of the phrase and it came from a New York protest where they're blocking commuters to make a point about immigration and capitalism and Gaza and probably trans. It's the Forever Omnicause. That phrase I've heard before, but I like it. The Forever Omni. Cause that's like Greta Thunberg's a perfect example of that. Yeah. Then this the back to the whole gender bending madness thing. Simone Biles, I'm going to quote Nelly Bowles from the Free Press a little bit here. Well, last week attacked Riley Gaines over her advocacy for just women and women's sports. Called her big like a man. Well, she apologized this week in a pretty impressive full throated Way apologizing is classy. Even though, yes, it is always nonsensical to argue that biological males should be able to compete against females since they're all the same. And also that Riley Gaines is, like, a big, ugly man. But we all got the point. Yeah. The USA Today, though, wrote in their coverage of the Gaines vs. Biles debate, and this is a quote from the USA Today, which is not worth worthy of your parrot crapping on it.
Joe Getty
Wow.
Jack Armstrong
Quote. There is no scientific evidence that transgender women athletes have a physical advantage over cisgender women athletes. But that hasn't stopped Gaines from claiming they do.
Joe Getty
Oh, my God. That's. And that's like a news story, not an opinion piece.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. There is no scientific evidence that biological males have a physical advantage over biological females.
Joe Getty
What?
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. If you just repeat an obvious lie a thousand times, I guess people give up and say, fine, and Nelly writes, but it's still a lie, even though I'm sick of fighting it. Maybe we just give up. Fine. Women are just as strong as men by nature. There's absolutely no scientific research or test we could possibly do to understand the differences between two groups of people, one of which just happens to wear their hair long. I'm weak because I'm not trying hard enough. My bones aren't getting dense and large enough because of my pathetic woman culture.
Joe Getty
Well, aren't they making the argument you shouldn't have separate men's and women's gymnastics, for instance? It should just be one competition and everybody competes together. Since there's no advantage, why would you separate men and women? And by the way, Simone Biles wouldn't even make the Olympic team in that case, right?
Jack Armstrong
No, not even close. Maybe in the vault, but probably not. Yeah, I know. Their. Their arguments rarely, like, coalesce into anything coherent, like.
Joe Getty
Crazy thing to say.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Yeah. You know, this is going to take too long to explain. It's too bad. Christine Amanpour said because of the immigration crackdown, she was afraid to travel to Harvard to give a speech. She carried a burner phone because she thought she was going to get deported off the streets.
Joe Getty
You got to be kidding.
Jack Armstrong
I know. It's so funny. More on that next hour.
Joe Getty
Oh, God.
Jack Armstrong
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Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Episode: Not Worthy Of Your Parrot Crapping On It
Release Date: June 18, 2025
Host: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts
In this episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand, hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty delve into pressing geopolitical tensions surrounding Iran's nuclear ambitions, the United States' potential military involvement, and recent significant Supreme Court rulings affecting transgender minors. The discussion is peppered with sharp commentary, humor, and critical analysis, offering listeners a comprehensive look at contemporary issues shaping national and international landscapes.
Time Frame: [01:59 – 27:43]
The episode kicks off with a heated debate on the escalating tensions between the United States and Iran. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty analyze recent statements by former President Donald Trump, who has positioned himself firmly against negotiations with Iran, suggesting that "the negotiating time is over" (02:16). This stance raises concerns about imminent military actions, with Getty expressing skepticism about the likelihood of a peaceful resolution:
Joe Getty: "He didn't say anything that made it seem less likely that we're gonna bomb Iran in the next couple of days for certain." [02:52]
The hosts critique media coverage and political maneuvers, particularly focusing on Tucker Carlson's influence as a leading voice for the non-interventionist faction in America. They discuss Carlson's debates with Senator Ted Cruz, highlighting the charged atmosphere and the polarization it brings to the fore:
Jack Armstrong: "Tucker Carlson ... is one of the most blatantly, shamelessly unfair arguers I've ever heard in my life." [06:12]
Addressing public opinion, Armstrong and Getty contend that while a significant portion of Americans may support a tough stance against Iran, there remains hesitation about direct military engagement. Getty articulates his position as "90/10," advocating for strong measures without deploying ground troops:
Joe Getty: "I'm 90 10 ... it needs to happen, not go to ... we are going to war if we drop bombs on them." [09:38]
Time Frame: [28:37 – 35:12]
Transitioning to domestic issues, the hosts discuss a landmark Supreme Court decision upholding Tennessee's ban on certain medical treatments for transgender minors. Armstrong criticizes the ruling's portrayal in liberal media, arguing that it represents a victory for sanity and basic biological truths over radical gender theory:
Jack Armstrong: "There is no scientific evidence that biological males have a physical advantage over biological females." [40:22]
Getty emphasizes the ruling's significance, framing it as a major setback for transgender rights from his conservative viewpoint:
Joe Getty: "It's a 6:3 ruling ... It's a victory for people who think we've gone off the rails." [31:43]
The conversation critiques the media's language and narrative surrounding transgender issues, with Armstrong labeling supportive terms as "perverse language" and questioning the necessity and ethics of medical interventions for transgender youth.
Time Frame: [39:06 – 41:28]
The discussion shifts to the ongoing debate in sports regarding transgender athletes, specifically referencing Simone Biles and Riley Gaines. Armstrong mocks the flawed logic presented in mainstream media, pointing out the lack of scientific basis for claims that transgender women have inherent advantages over cisgender women:
Jack Armstrong: "There is no scientific evidence that transgender women athletes have a physical advantage over cisgender women athletes." [40:22]
Getty sarcastically suggests merging men's and women's competitions, highlighting the absurdity in current arguments:
Joe Getty: "Well, aren't they making the argument you shouldn't have separate men's and women's gymnastics, for instance?" [41:28]
Time Frame: [37:07 – 39:07]
Amidst heavy discussions, Armstrong and Getty intersperse personal stories and humorous exchanges. They reflect on celebrity figures like Kelsey Grammer and discuss unique aspects of his personal life, injecting levity into the episode. This blend of serious discourse and light-hearted banter helps maintain an engaging and relatable atmosphere for listeners.
Time Frame: [42:23 – End]
As the episode wraps up, Armstrong and Getty reiterate their stance on the discussed issues, emphasizing the importance of informed decision-making and skepticism towards prevailing narratives. They hint at upcoming segments featuring military expert Mike Lyons, anticipating deeper explorations into potential worst-case scenarios if tensions with Iran escalate.
Donald Trump's Stance on Iran:
"Trump says ... it's too late for negotiations." [02:16]
Critique of Unbalanced Argumentation:
"Tucker Carlson ... is one of the most blatantly, shamelessly unfair arguers I've ever heard." [06:12]
Personal Position on Military Involvement:
"I'm 90 10 ... it needs to happen ... we are going to war if we drop bombs on them." [09:38]
Supreme Court Ruling Commentary:
"There is no scientific evidence that biological males have a physical advantage over biological females." [40:22]
View on Transgender Rights Victory:
"It's a victory for people who think we've gone off the rails." [31:43]
This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand offers a robust analysis of contemporary geopolitical and social issues, delivered with characteristic wit and candidness. By tackling topics ranging from international conflict to Supreme Court decisions and sports controversies, Armstrong and Getty provide listeners with a multifaceted perspective rooted in conservative viewpoints and a call for rational discourse.
For those interested in in-depth discussions on current events with a blend of humor and critical insights, this episode is a must-listen.