Oh, Don’t Be So Tiresome!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "Oh, Don’t Be So Tiresome!"

Date: September 3, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty delivers their signature mix of social commentary, irreverent humor, and sharp political analysis. The main themes revolve around societal norms and mockery, cultural and economic decline in the West, the transformation of work and management structures in Corporate America, concerns about Chinese influence and surveillance, the weaponization of police and military in crime-ridden cities, and the underlying impact of American cultural decay. The hosts blend national and global current events with personal observations, amusing asides, and a critique of both left and right politics in America.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Societal Mockery and Morals

[03:59–05:21]

• Opening Joke: Jack jokes about Bill Belichick's hypothetical defeat as a college football coach, using it as a springboard for discussing humor’s role in society.
• Theme: The hosts consider how mockery helps reinforce societal morals—“mockery teaches morals.” (Jack Armstrong, 04:41)
• Quote:
  • “A lot of humor is to indicate to others the guardrails we have in society.”
    —Joe Getty [04:25]

2. Western Society’s Economic & Moral Complacency

[05:21–08:17]

• Cultural Reference: Jack likens Western society to a careless character in classic literature: “I feel a little bit like the Western world is that woman, ‘Darling, we’re spending ourselves into oblivion…’ ‘Oh, don’t be so tiresome!’” [05:54]
• Bond Market Warnings: There is a growing global reluctance to lend cheaply to Western governments—causing higher interest rates.
• Corporate Profits & Layoffs: Profit increases are tied to cost-cutting and layoffs, not consumer spending.
• Flattening Management:
  • The manager-to-employee ratio in big American corporations going from 1:5 (2017) to 1:15 today.
    • “Google recently said it cut 35% of its managers of small teams following a restructure.” —Jack Armstrong [09:11]
  • Example companies: Google, Amazon, Intel, Bank of America, UPS, and more are flattening hierarchy structures.

3. Chinese Surveillance and Threats

[09:11–12:11]

• Concerns about China: The hosts highlight American retailers selling security cameras with potential ties to Chinese government spying (Dahua, Lorex).
• Quote:
  • "Xi Jinping has just got to laugh himself to sleep every night." —Jack Armstrong [11:47]
• Alleged Genocide Ties: The same Chinese companies are implicated in goods linked to Uyghur oppression.

4. Cultural/Generational Contrasts in Sports

[12:11–14:52]

• Tennis as a Microcosm: Discussion about Venus Williams’ continued success at age 45, playing doubles with a 22-year-old.
• US Open Pricing Madness:
  • Caviar-topped chicken nuggets: $100
  • Signature drink "Honey Deuce": $23, with $13 million in sales last year
    • “The amount of money spent on the Honey Deuce drinks last year could have bought 800 years of groceries for a family of four.” —Jack Armstrong [14:52]
• Hosts muse on luxury and excess, connecting it to societal divisions.

5. Epstein News & Media Hysteria

[20:12–21:21]

• Congress Revisiting Epstein: Joe dismisses new talk as baseless:
  • "There remains not one public, credible, evidence-backed specific allegation against anyone besides Epstein and Maxwell..." —Joe Getty [20:20]

6. Retro Pop Culture Resurgence

[21:21–23:21]

• 1990's Song Revival: The Goo Goo Dolls’ "Iris" is the most streamed song of the summer, decades after its release, driven by viral nostalgia.
• Quote:
  • "When you think you're doing your kind of embarrassing has-been county fair tour...you end up being bigger than you were back when you were young and attractive. Good for them." —Joe Getty [22:57]

7. Culture, Crime, and Urban Decay

[23:21–25:12]

• Personal Observations: Joe recounts how his niece observed Sydney, Australia as "clean, no homeless people, no trash"—a sharp contrast to urban America.
• Permissive vs. Orderly Culture: The hosts lament progressive American culture’s tolerance for disorder and filth.
• Quote:
  • "Being tolerant to the point of, well, we have to put up with anything...is a psychosis. It’s terrible." —Jack Armstrong [25:00]

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Feature Segment: National Guard, Policing, and Urban Crime

1. Crime Reduction Tactics

[29:15–34:52]

• Dramatic Statistics: After deploying National Guard in D.C., violent crime and murders cut by half.
  • "During time that Trump had National Guard on the streets ... crime went down to 92 incidents (from 180)." —News Analyst [29:33]
• Perception Shift: Public relief at troop presence, despite media/political hysteria about "fascism."
  • "Everybody I know ... when we get onto a train and see National Guard, we think: cool. Yes." —Joe Getty, citing Joe Scarborough [30:18]
• Policy Over Politics: The legal/constitutional debates (e.g. Posse Comitatus Act) matter, but so does what actually makes cities livable.
  • "No, crime and filth and junkies and misery and fear are absolutely not inevitable ... they're evitable." —Jack Armstrong [33:04]
• Mayoral Cooperation: D.C. Mayor Bowser formalizes collaboration with federal authorities after crime drops.

2. Academic and Editorial Analysis

[36:55–44:04]

• Empirical Evidence: Jason Riley and Rafael Mangual's work cited on crime control—more policing consistently leads to less crime.

  • "If I had to summarize ... more policing means less crime." —(Mangual, quoted by Armstrong) [39:27]

• Progressive Mayors: Both hosts sharply criticize Chicago mayor Brandon Johnson’s policies and intelligence.

  • "He is a stupid, awful, stupid man." —Jack Armstrong [34:03]

• Racial Impact:

  • "Increasing policing is the best thing you could possibly do for black neighborhoods." —Jack Armstrong [43:08]

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The Cultural Dimension: Unity and Decay

[48:06–51:42]

• Decline of American Urban Culture:

  • Joe reminisces about rural America and urban life in earlier eras—“nobody locked their doors.”
  • "You can have a culture of we just don’t steal stuff and hurt people." —Joe Getty [49:26]

• American vs. Global Cities: Observations that London and Australia’s cities feel safer, cleaner, and more unified than many U.S. metropolises.

• Key Insight:

  • "Politics is downstream of culture." —Jack Armstrong [50:39]

• Unity Matters:

  • "Whether America is a place you believe in and you feel like you have a role in making it a good place—that’s a big part of it.” —Jack Armstrong [51:09]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |-----------|----------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:25 | Joe Getty | "A lot of humor is to indicate to others the guardrails we have in society." | | 05:54 | Jack Armstrong | "I feel a little bit like the Western world is that woman, 'Darling, we’re spending ourselves into oblivion…'" | | 11:47 | Jack Armstrong | "Xi Jinping has just got to laugh himself to sleep every night." | | 14:52 | Jack Armstrong | "The amount of money spent on the Honey Deuce drinks last year could have bought 800 years of groceries for a family." | | 20:20 | Joe Getty | "There remains not one public, credible, evidence-backed specific allegation against anyone besides Epstein and Maxwell."| | 22:57 | Joe Getty | "You end up being bigger than you were back when you were young and attractive. Good for them." | | 25:00 | Jack Armstrong | "Being tolerant to the point of, well, we have to put up with anything…is a psychosis. It’s terrible." | | 29:33 | News Analyst | "During the time Trump had National Guard on the streets, … crime went down to 92 incidents." | | 33:04 | Jack Armstrong | "No, crime and filth and junkies and misery and fear are absolutely not inevitable…they're evitable." | | 39:27 | Jack Armstrong | "...more policing means less crime." | | 43:08 | Jack Armstrong | "Increasing policing is the best thing you could possibly do for black neighborhoods." | | 49:26 | Joe Getty | "You can have a culture of we just don’t steal stuff and hurt people." | | 50:39 | Jack Armstrong | "Politics is downstream of culture." |

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Suggested Timestamps for Navigation

• Society & Morality by Mockery – 03:59–05:21
• Economic/Moral Decay & Management Change – 05:21–09:11
• Chinese Surveillance Fears – 09:11–12:11
• US Open Excesses & Pop Culture Resurgence – 12:11–23:21
• Culture, Crime, Urban Decay – 23:21–27:17
• National Guard & Policing Successes – 29:15–34:52
• Empirical Crime Data & Policing Debate – 36:55–44:04
• Cultural Unity & Decline Reflections – 48:06–51:42

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Tone, Style, and Flow

The podcast is conversational, fast-paced, and peppered with sarcastic wit, quick cultural references, and humor bordering on the absurd. Armstrong & Getty routinely shift from policy details to personal anecdotes and back to big-picture societal observations. Their analysis is irreverent but thoughtful—aimed at those skeptical of both establishment narratives and revolutionary dogma.

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Summary

In "Oh, Don’t Be So Tiresome!", Armstrong & Getty use current events, personal experience, and cultural analysis to question American decline—both economically and morally—while poking fun at hypocrisy in media and politics. They warn of complacency in the face of global threats (China), advocate for practical fixes to urban America's crime problem (more police, less tolerance for disorder), and argue that culture—what we permit, respect, or mock—is the foundation of a functional society. The episode is a wide-ranging, opinionated, and entertaining listen for anyone wrestling with why America feels like it’s “spending itself into oblivion”—and what, if anything, might restore balance.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Giddy.

[Jack Armstrong]

UNC football coach Bill Belichick last night made his college debut and only six years after his girlfriend made her college debut, Bill Belichick embarrassingly lost his first Tar Heels game as head coach. 48 14. The only thing worse would have been if the score was 73 24. That's pretty good joke.

[Joe Getty]

That is a good joke. Is it? So we've talked about this many times over the past. The A lot of humor is to indicate to others the guardrails we have in society.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. In fact, there's that ang T shirt which I have and I wear. It's the Latin phrase which I can never remember. It translates as mockery teaches morals.

[Joe Getty]

Right. So that's what's going on there. Those all the jokes and they're endless everywhere about this is to indicate to others and ourselves that we don't think this is really the best way for society to have dudes hooking up with girls 50 years younger than them.

[Jack Armstrong]

50, right.

[Joe Getty]

5 0.

[Jack Armstrong]

Booty for riches or a pretty face for riches.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, we don't know that what's going on there. But.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, but that's where the mockery comes from.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just glancing up at the television where they're showing that Chinese parade, which is absolutely horrifying. Absolutely freaking horrifying. But that's not what I was going to tease last week. Or I guess before you went to England, we were talking about how England has gone off the rails in terms of free speech. They just went even further off the rails in the last 48 hours arresting a guy for a couple of tweets. And it's amazing. So stay tuned for that story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I decided against intentionally violating their laws and getting arrested. I thought, you know, let me get through one visit, I'll go back and do that. But I think it'd be an interesting experience. I still would like to do it, which I realize is an odd thing to say, and shows premeditation, which will probably get me an extra day in the brig or the Gulag or the. The Limey or the Cracky or whatever they call the jail over there. Anyway, total change of topic there. There are times I feel like I'm. I'm rereading the Great Gatsby or there was another classic Hemingway book or something like that that. I remember that the. The Lover. There was a couple that was kind of the center of the novel. And the woman was, you know, beautiful and clever, but utterly irresponsible and spending them into oblivion and stuff like that. And. And jack to it. And she'd say, oh, darling, you're so tiresome. You know, that. That sort of dynamic. Right. And I. I feel a little bit like the Western world is that woman. Darling, we're spending ourselves into oblivion, and that will never recover from. Oh, don't be so tiresome. And there are some real signs of it. The bond market. Nobody cares about the bond market. I'll keep this brief. The bond market collectively around the world said, hey, all you Western, your debt, it's starting to look less attractive. You're gonna have to pay us more interest to have us lend you any money. Okay. In a pretty significant way. One day we'll see American companies once again beating profit expectations. Way to go, America. Way to go. But it's not because of consumer spending and sales. It's because of massive cost cuts, massive layoffs, turning to new technologies. The bottom line is better. But company after company says, we're holding down hiring and finding ways to get employees to work more efficiently. Oh, which reminds me. Where is that? The Wall Street Journal had a piece. Oh, here it is. Your boss doesn't have time to talk to you. Amazon wants bigger teams. Bank of America is flattening. Corporate America's shedding managers, and the workplace is changing radically.

[Joe Getty]

Hmm.

[Jack Armstrong]

And here it is. According to this data research advisory firm, there was. There was one manager for every five employees in 2017. Looking at big corporations in America, it was a one to five manager to team members. That seems like 2017.

[Joe Getty]

It seems like too many managers, doesn't it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, it could well have been. Absolutely, yeah. These things move in cycles. It's like, you know, the grand theory of democracy. I'm always spouting that we, we veer all the way to the right guardrail, figure, oh, this is too far right. So we go way to the left and then smash into the left guardrail and are way, way too far left. And we pass the sweet spot in the middle and never have any idea anyway. But that 1 to 5 has increased to 1 to 15. Wow. In the intervening eight years.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. That's quite a change.

[Jack Armstrong]

And appears to be growing further today, according to this management corporation. Google recently said it cut 35% of its managers of small teams following a restructure. Amazon, as we pronounce it in Britain, one of the US largest employers told investors earlier this week it was working to increase the ratio of employees to managers. Many other companies want to flatten hierarchies as well, including Intel, Estee Lauder, Match Group, Citi, bank of America, United Parcel Service and others. Blah, blah, blah. So that's a trend. Back to what I was going to talk about. There it is. These retailers are selling cameras that are spying for the Chinese communists. As impressive as that military parade was, I think more impressive is the rest of China's effort to subvert and supplant us. All the ways they're effing with us. Pardon my French or British, including stuff that we have no, no, no clue about. I think most of us, I still say China decides one day to flip the switch and cell phone service disappears. Our banks shut down, the lights go out, maybe the water stop. Stops flowing. Who knows?

[Joe Getty]

There's a drone attack on like 15 different military bases.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I wonder.

[Joe Getty]

From land that they purchased nearby and nobody cared.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, Right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, hey, this is the free market, you know, what are you gonna do? Not to be too big a downer, but if you're not familiar with Chinese, whole of society vow to achieve their rightful place on earth, which includes stepping on our heads. Every single from bankers to plumbers to school teachers to filmmakers, every single Chinese person is required by law to aid the effort to become the greatest country China can be. And. And again, a lot of that has to do with stepping on our heads. Anyway, so independent analysis have concluded that cameras manufactured by the Dahua Company have severe security lapses that enable hackers, including Chinese commies, to access video and audio feeds. Findings that have spurred bans in several other countries. Let's see, the WHO has also allegedly provided goods to the Chinese government in service of its Uyghur, genocide and among other sins. But anyway, Washington examiner reviewed, Review identified listings for Lorax branded cameras that are made by these Chinese people on online storefronts managed by Amazon or, I'm sorry, Amazon, Best Buy, Costco, Kohl's, Office Depot, Home Depot, Wayfair, Newegg and Target. In other words, everybody selling Chinese spying tools. Xi Jinping has just gotta laugh himself to sleep every night.

[Joe Getty]

Does he die at some point? He's kind of a fat old guy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, you'd think Putin. Putin's not fat, but he's old. Why did dictators live so long? It must be good for him. Anyway, final note out of Consumer News. Are you a tennis fan? I'm not really, but I noticed the US Open is going on.

[Joe Getty]

I'm kind of following it. Yeah, because Venus is still in it for age 45.

[Jack Armstrong]

Meadows, New York. 45.

[Joe Getty]

She's age 45. She's playing doubles with this girl who's 22, less than half her age, a Belichick like relationship, and they've upset a couple of people and made it into the semifinals.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good for her. I love rooting for the oldsters anyway, so if you go to the US Open and why wouldn't you, and you get a bit peckish, as we say in Great Britain here among your menu selections, caviar topped chicken nuggets for a hundred dollars.

[Joe Getty]

Caviar?

[Jack Armstrong]

I wish I was kidding. I'm not.

[Joe Getty]

Chicken nuggets, yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hundred dollars.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, I try to stay away from chicken nuggets and I don't like caviar, so that's not a lot to like. For me, there's.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's a drink cleverly named the Watermelon Slice, which includes a watermelon slice. It's $39.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, a $40 drink.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're sitting there in the sun, it's a little hot, you're thinking, you know, a little froyo is exactly what I need. Hey, honey, give me a fro yo. You want the large or the small? The small's fine. Let's be thrifty. 19 for the small frozen yogurt.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know if I can get past that $40 drink. I've never had one drink in my life, so I'm going to have two.

[Jack Armstrong]

80 bucks. I want to forget all of my problems for at least three days. By the way, the $19 for the small cup of frozen yogurt is actually a couple of dollars more than New York's minimum wage. So anyway, I don't know what that means. This. Well, I'll skip to the end. At the end, the US Open signature drink, the Honey Deuce, made of vodka, raspberry liqueur and topped in lemonade, topped with a skewer of honeydew melon balls. That's $23 a pop. And they sold $13 million worth of them last year. Whoa. Now, this writer is trying to make some sort of, you know, Hunger Games capital, right? The Romanovs partying is the surf starve in Russia argument. You got sa much money. You want $100 caviar top chicken nuggets. I say go for it.

[Joe Getty]

It's no skin off my nose.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. But they point out that the amount of money spent on the Honey Deuce drinks last year could have bought 800 years of groceries for a family of four. Oh, and if you're just thirsty and want a bottle of water, $9.

[Joe Getty]

$9 for the bottle of water you can get for 40 cents at Costco. $9.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, this summer.

[Joe Getty]

This summer, yes. So it was in some Netflix show and for whatever reason, everybody who is like the 90s was their heyday was like, oh yeah, I love the Goo Goo Dolls and started streaming that song again. And then it caught on as a big karaoke thing and so it was the number one stream song of the summer. And the Goo Goo Dolls just happened to be out touring. You know, like you do if you're a band 40 years later and now you're old men and you think, hey, that'd be kind of fun. Maybe we'd make a couple of dollars playing at the county fair. They're bigger than they've ever been. They're bigger than they were in the 90s. And the lead singers, like, we don't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Know this Is so crazy.

[Joe Getty]

We go around and we play absolutely packed houses. We can't sell enough T shirts. We never thought this would happen. I just thought that was kind of funny.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, not to quibble, but I'm thinking this through. It was 30 years ago and change if it was 92. But no, because I'm thinking through the cycle of you're hot, then you're not hot, then you're old, then you're. Oh, I love those guys again. But you've got to wander through the desert of irrelevant and kind of embarrassing for fewer years than I think he used to.

[Joe Getty]

And I was. I was listening to it. So I read this and then I dialed it up and I was listening to it. And it's got the whole, you know, that whole period of 90s songs where they were all that you bleed just.

[Jack Armstrong]

To know you're alive.

[Joe Getty]

Just all that angst that. That. All those songs from that era had that inward my life sucks, it's so tough to be alive thing. That kind of.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm super emotive.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. That kind of previewed where we were going, I feel like, as a nation, for better or worse. But that's gotta be something. When you think you're doing your kind of embarrassing. Has been county fair tour part of your life and you end up being bigger than you were back when you were young and attractive. You take.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good for them.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, exactly. Good for them. You take the break says they come. I was talking to how much time? By Michael. Okay, two minutes. I'll start it. Maybe we'll talk about it more later. I was talking to my niece. Saw her while we were in Kansas for my dad's birthday and all that sort of stuff. She was in Australia all summer, interning for a doctor there as part of her university education to become a doctor. But she was talking about how Sydney was so clean, no homeless people, no trash. Nobody talked about crime or anything like that. And it got me started on the topic I think about a lot is just culture. The culture we have in the United States, the permissive culture we've let toward cultural decay. The cultural decay that we've allowed in this country over many, many decades and whether or not we can turn it around. And Australia is what we were like in the 40s, 50s, where just the culture was clean, neat, orderly. We don't put up with crime or trash. And we let that go away. And, you know, you don't have to do that. It's not just inevitable that happens.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Right. Yeah, it's. It's all a question of balance, though.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, because I'm thinking of an example. I don't have time for this whole story. I shouldn't have launched into this. I shouldn't have launched into this. I'll have to get into it later because I think it's a very important discussion about, about the culture of just allowing nonsense to occur. You don't have to have that. It's not the laws, it's the culture that doesn't get enough attention and being.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tolerant to the point of, well, we have to put up with anything, no matter how horrifying, because we're not allowed to say we don't like anything. I mean, it's a psychosis. It's terrible. Yeah, but you're right, that is an important discussion.

[Joe Getty]

You know, to that point. Trump sending the National Guard or talking about sending in the National Guard into Chicago to deal with the crime.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is it legal? Is it constitutional? Is it allowed? All right, those are really good questions. Here's something nobody's talking about. It's working. It's working unbelievably well. Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Jack Armstrong]

When you crunch the numbers here that 50 people were shot at last check, eight of them fatally were told those numbers could likely go up later this morning after the full weekend count. Do numbers like that only bolster the White House's message that troop presence is needed in Chicago?

[News Analyst]

I think it does. And I think what the President can point to is the reduction in crime in Washington, D.C. since he federalized DC's police. Since he deployed National Guard on the streets, assaults are down compared to a similar period last year. Assaults were down from 53 to 43. Burglaries were down from 77 to 40. Violent crimes were down by about half. Homicides were down by more than half. Combined violent crime incidents in 2024 during that same period were 180 incidents. During the time that Trump had National Guard on the streets, during the time he had federalized federal police, crime went down to 92 incidents. So we're seeing a big reduction in crime.

[Jack Armstrong]

So there you go.

[Joe Getty]

That's from News Nation. That's not Fox. Just going through the crime statistics of how much it changed with the National Guard troops there. And I was listening to Morning Joe this morning. Jo Scarborough saying, yeah, I know that people are on social media talking about the dictator takeover and how awful this is and their protests. He said, but everybody I know, when we get onto a train and we see National Guard troops, we get on the subway, we think, cool. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. It's funny you should point out that was News Nation and not, you know, an avowedly conservative outlet. None other than Muriel Bowser, the insufferable mayor of D.C. is saying, hey, this is, like, really, really wor. Working well. And the way I was thinking of presenting this information originally, and we've kind of already done it, but is that the question of Trump deploying, like, the National Guard to Chicago and whether that's legal, constitutional, etc. I mean, you have the Posse Comitatus act of 1878, maybe, you know, it essentially, the US military can't be used to execute domestic law. That's not what they're there for. We don't want that. And we don't want that. And it's a worthy question and a good one and an interesting one, and we will work our way through it with the help of some very, very helpful judges, I'm sure. But that's a distraction from, like, the question that affects actual human beings and their lives. And that question is, why is it so miserable in America's blue cities? And can anything be done about it?

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's what the answer is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, it can be.

[Joe Getty]

That's what even Scarborough was saying on msnbc. And I mention him because he's. There's such an important voice for the left. That MSNBC show Scarborough even saying, you standing up there saying, we don't want your troops in our city, while the headline over your head is 50 some shot, eight dead is not working. That that's not the way normal people react. Normal people react to, holy crap, 50 some people were shot in one week. Yeah, something needs to be done.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course, as I was ranting about yesterday, it takes an ivory tower type or a media type to look at the numbers and not say, my God, this is horrible, and I don't want to live like this. I mean, yeah, if I got stabbed five times yesterday and today I got stabbed four times, that's a 20% decrease in the stabbings. I don't want to get stabbed anymore.

[Joe Getty]

I don't think it's a difficult point to make. So the Wall Street Journal seems to think there will never be a National Guard troop in Chicago, but Trump will get the full political win out of it anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's. There's Trump again, and there's politics again. Although politics is like everything. We govern ourselves. And Trump is almost a distraction here. And I was going to get to this point ultimately, but. But it's about policy. It's about, yes, we can make our world better. Closer to home, the more true that is. But no, crime and filth and junkies and misery and fear are absolutely not inevitable. They're the opposite. Well, they're evitable. They can absolutely be affected. A couple more things very quickly on the Mural Bowser thing, and at some point, Michael, remind me, I really want to take just a few minutes to make the case of how stupid Brandon Johnson is the mayor of Chicago. He is a stupid, awful, stupid man.

[Joe Getty]

Two stupid.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Anyway, excuse me. D.C. mayor Mary Muriel Bowser just issued an executive order that requires local coordination with federal law enforcement, quote, to the maximum extent allowable by law within the district. No expiration date. That's the deep blue, mayor. D.C. is like, this is the best thing that's ever happened. All law enforcement cooperate with these people all the time, please. Starting now. Forever. Bowser issued an executive order that requires local coordination with federal law enforcement. Oh, I already read that. It's a repeat. By law, Trump's Federalization of the D.C. police force lasts 30 days and is set to expire next week. Bowser's announcement may quell any showdown over what happens after by authorizing continued coordination between the city and federal authorities.

[Joe Getty]

You really would have to be, like, just so drenched in the brainwashing of Trump derangement syndrome to get on. To walk around the corner in urban D.C. and see a National Guardsman, and your first thought be, oh, my God, it's fascism as opposed to cool. I'm not going to get robbed here right Exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, D.C. is a special case. If you're not hip to this, because it's A, essentially the responsibility of the federal government and the federal government, Congress can. Can grant DC Autonomy in certain ways. It's like, you know, you let your kid plan dinner or whatever, but if your kids. The dinner plan is. Is ball bearings and malt liquor, well, you're going to.

[Joe Getty]

You get a good. Not at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not. Neither savory nor nutritious, a little hard to digest. Right, right. Michael. There are a hundred things wrong with it. But anyway, at that point, you would say, okay, no, no, we're having meat and potatoes and a vegetable. And that's the relationship the federal government has with DC if you're not familiar with this, Chicago is a very different case. They don't have that relationship. But that's why I'm a little bit annoyed by the distraction of some of the, you know, the big politics of this because again, of how people actually live the lesson, the takeaway ought to be, yes, we can deal with this. As the. I think this is the editorial board of the Journal points out, this is a failure of democratic big city governance. Mr. Trump is showing in D.C. that the streets can be made safer if political leaders have the will. The president's deployed federal officers, D.C. national Guard. Now carjackings are down 87% from a year ago. Now, Muriel Bowser, who initially was. Was muling about federal overreach, blah, blah, blah, and she opposes mass immigration agents, troops from other states, blah, blah, blah. But, quote, we greatly appreciate the surge of officers.

[Joe Getty]

Well, did you see the quote from that federal judge who said it was illegal? The way Trump sent troops to la. He included in his declaration that it was illegal some line about, clearly Trump is trying to establish a fascist national army to. Okay, as soon as you start with that talk, I know that you're an ideologue and you're not just looking at the law, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, and it's poisonous and frustrating as a normal citizen that people go to that crap as opposed to saying, wow, what Trump did really helped people have happier, safer lives. There are limits to federal power. How can we get that result in maybe a little different way? No. The judge goes to his ace trying to establish a fascist federal army. Oh, my God. Jason Riley, speaking of the Journal, brilliant writer. His headline today, simple solution to violent Crime, More cops. The connection between poverty and lawlessness is complicated, but Trump gets a basic point, right? And he's, for what it's worth, a black man. I don't know. He's a thinker, and that's all I care about. But he's talking about the utter undeniable wrongness of the progressive view of policing and incarceration and how clearly if there's an imbalance of black guys in prison that proves racism and blah blah, blah. And he quotes a book that I really have to get a hold of. It'll join a hundred other books in an honored stack of things I may never read. But it's from a fellow by the name of Rafael Mangual who is a Manhattan Institute scholar, and he wrote this a couple of years ago. But it's criminal injustice what the push for decarcerization and de policing gets wrong and who it hurts the most. And the book is all about empirical data on crime control strategies that the moron Brandon Johnson is staunchly against. He could not be more against traditional policing, incarceration and the bizarre and racist notion that, look, we got laws and we got penalties for breaking the law. Now follow me here. If you break the law, you're going to get those penalties. Say moron Brandon Johnson is against that. And, and he's not just an ideologue. There are plenty of very bright people who are ideolog in their ideology. Makes them stupid. Brandon just came to the table stupid. But anyway, quoting from the book, the book cites empirical data on crime control strategies that Mr. Johnson dismisses as vouched as out of date. But Mangual writes, quote, if I had to summarize one of the most consistent and robust findings in the criminology literature in a single sentence, it would be more policing means less crime.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't doubt that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Academic paper a couple of years ago on policing in Washington found that, quote, an increase in police presence of about 50% leads to a statistically and economically significant decrease in crime in the order of 15%. 2016 study concluded that an increase in private police controls around the University of Pennsylvania campus in Philadelphia, quote, decreased crime in adjacent city blocks by 43 to 73%. And interestingly, Jason Riley makes the the point that this disproportionately helps black people.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't doubt that. That because if you live in a nice neighborhood, you already don't have crime. And more cops in the areas where they do have crime isn't you're paying for it, but it's not going to help you any.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I love that slogan. Yes, it is. So back to Jason Riley, the Journal talking about crime and policing and how it is. I mean it's as clear as if you put your hand on hot stove. It hurts. If you can increase policing, you decrease crime.

[Joe Getty]

But that point he makes there at the end, I don't know why we can't make that work for, for, for the country. Remember the whole idiotic defund the police thing that caught fire there for a while, which is the dumbest slogan in the history of everything. But why can't the argument be made better that no, no, no, no more cops in your neighborhood is disproportionately unfair to the taxpayer? I mean this is one of those things you should like. People that don't have crime in their neighborhoods are paying for more cops in your neighborhood because you pay less taxes, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Well, in the racial part of this which is so easy to demagogue, look, black people disproportionately murder more than any other ethnic group and they mostly murder other black people. You uncomfortable with that? Gee, sorry, but that's the fact. And According to a 2020 analysis of the race specific effects of larger police officers, there is now a strong consensus in the academic literature that increasing the presence and visitability cops cops reduces crime. And moreover, the authors found that quote though the total reduction in homicide is roughly equal across black and white victims the decline in homicide is twice as large for black victims in per capita terms. Sure, because there are fewer black folks. So yeah, if you break it down by a rate or per capita increasing policing is the best thing you could possibly do for black neighborhoods.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

So there's a lot of talk obviously about crime and how you deal with it and everything like that in the National Guards and I didn't get to finish this thought last half hour. So I'm going to do it here. The cultural part of it may very well be the biggest part of it, and I don't know what you do about it after it has slid. And I've thought about this my whole life. Life or anyway since I moved out of rural areas. I grew up in rural America. Nobody locked their doors. You left your keys in your car. You didn't worry about it, it wasn't a problem. You didn't have crime. So then I start living in more urban areas where people lock up stuff. And I always attributed it to it being something to do with urbanization, when you get people closer together and packed more tightly or whatever. And certainly Anonymous, certainly that plays a role. But then I remember hearing this, the old Dennis Miller radio show, if you remember that from back in the day, he had red buttons on a comedian. Doesn't matter if you know who any of these people are. The important thing is this Guy Red Buttons, who is very, very old and grew up in the early 20th century, was telling Dennis Miller about how great New York City was back in the day. He said, back in the 40s, you could go out, you could take your, your, your wife to a. Or your girlfriend to a, a Broadway show, and you'd walk down the street and you'd sleep in Central park at night and wake up in the morning. And like, and, and, and, and Dennis was like, you'd sleep in Central Park. Said, yeah, nobody's worried about crime or anything like that. And that hit me really hard, of course. Okay, so it's not necessarily the urban thing. It's not just everybody being packed together that causes it to be crime. It's something cultural. You remember when Michael Moore, that made that movie about Columbine in the episode, it was up in Canada going door to door and showing that all the doors were unlocked. That's the way I grew up. You can have a culture of we just don't steal stuff and hurt people. Right now, how you create that, I'm not exactly sure how that happened. And it was that way for a very long time. Still that way in many parts. If you live in an urban area, it's still that way in many parts of the country. Country. You live in a country full of people who don't worry about locking their doors or having their keys in their car in front of their house. They just don't have to. So it's a. Can be a cultural thing. I don't know how you get it back. I don't know if you can get it back.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was one of the more interesting aspects of our travels to London and then conversations with friends who had been to other cities around the world. How much safer they are than a lot of American cities. How there's just not junkies laying everywhere and bum camps and crime. Yeah, it's cultural. You know, politics is downstream of culture. And obviously this discussion could be like not only one book, but a series of them. But one major aspect of it is the question of unity. Whether you feel like you are part of something, that you want to be good. It's as simple as that. Whether America is a place you believe in and you feel like you have a role in making it a good place, maybe, or your town or your city or your state.

[Joe Getty]

I think it's a very, very under appreciated, understudied aspect of civilization and human nature. Yes, very complicated. But, yeah, that could be a lot of it. Just unity.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's complicated in a way, but at its heart it's very very simple.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

We'll talk about that now or three Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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