Oh How The Mighty Have Fallen?

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Episode: "Oh How The Mighty Have Fallen?"
Date: March 18, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty centers on the theme "Oh, How the Mighty Have Fallen," exploring the dramatic downfalls and reconsiderations of once-celebrated public figures and movements. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty take a critical look at prominent individuals including Cesar Chavez and Paul Ehrlich, reflect on the true nature of Jeffrey Epstein’s influence, and finally examine the current crisis in Cuba, as well as recent geopolitical events in the Middle East. The tone is pointed, irreverent, and sharply skeptical of both historical and current narratives.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Breaking News and Introduction

• [04:03] Joe Getty breaks the news that Iran has struck the world’s largest gas field in Saudi Arabia, causing oil and gas market spikes.
  • Armstrong and Getty discuss the likely strategic calculations behind Iran's actions.
    • "Boy. Wow. They're in a hole and they are digging as fast as they can, just trying to make everybody as angry as possible..." – Jack Armstrong [04:20]
• The accidental emergence of the episode’s theme is introduced: the fall of public figures and ideals.

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2. The Case of Cesar Chavez: “The Brown Martin Luther King”

• [05:19] Background on Cesar Chavez is provided, detailing his iconic status as a civil rights leader for farm workers.
  • Chavez's legacy is explored, with Joe Getty highlighting how progressive curriculums and local honors in California have essentially sanctified him.
    • "Schools were renamed, statues erected, documentaries produced with soft lighting and swelling violins..." – Joe Getty [05:44]
• Recent revelations are addressed:
  • Serious allegations have emerged (from the New York Times) that Chavez sexually abused minors and raped adult women.
  • Armstrong and Getty question the timing and motivations behind these revelations:
    • "Are they desanctifying this guy because of the immigration stuff, or did these women just come forward and it's what it appears to be on the surface? I don't know." – Jack Armstrong [09:51]
• Chavez’s complex legacy:
  • Anti-illegal immigration stance: detailed incidents of Chavez and UFW physically stopping undocumented immigrants and reporting them to federal agents.
    • "Chavez saw unchecked illegal immigration as a direct threat to jobs, bargaining power, and living standards for domestic farm workers." – Joe Getty [08:21]
  • The hosts debate historical revisionism, asking if anyone “great” can remain honored once their flaws are unearthed.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "He was like an amateur ICE agent." – Jack Armstrong [08:19]
  • "Raping a 13 year old is really awful, but he still did all the things he did. And that's where I wonder about where we go historically on this." – Joe Getty [10:02]

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3. Paul Ehrlich & The Population Bomb: Influence and Infamy

• [14:56] Discussion begins on Paul Ehrlich, famed for the 1968 eco-doom bestseller "The Population Bomb."
  • Ehrlich’s dire predictions: hundreds of millions starving, drastic drops in American life expectancy, and societal collapse by the 1980s.
    • "In 1968 he forecast that within the coming decade, at least 100 to 200 million people per year will be starving to death." – Jack Armstrong [15:43]
  • Analysis of why Ehrlich was "spectacularly wrong":
    • Advances in agriculture, shifts in population policy, and falling famine rates worldwide.
    • "Yet something did prevent that… famine has gone all but gone extinct." – Jack Armstrong [16:43]
  • The “monster” side:
    • Ehrlich openly advocated for "coercive" and compulsory population control, including forced sterilization.
      • "The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions. The pain may be intense." – Jack Armstrong, quoting Ehrlich [19:50]
    • India’s forced sterilization program in the 1970s was highlighted as being driven by these ideas.
    • Ehrlich’s U.S. policy suggestions included media propaganda against big families and even jail for “the fertile.”
      • "If necessary, start legislating the size of the family and throw you in jail if you have too many children. Those are quotes." – Jack Armstrong [21:46]
    • Getty and Armstrong reflect on how public doom-mongering has morphed into profitable political and business ventures.
      • "There are a lot of true believers, but there are a lot of cynics who are like, oh my God. We frighten the populace to the point that they'll authorize any expenditure." – Jack Armstrong [23:18]

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4. Jeffrey Epstein: The Real Game Was Insider Networking

• [29:33] Armstrong pivots to Jeffrey Epstein, arguing that a fixation on the sexual exploitation angle obscures another story: financial manipulation and networking at the highest levels.
  • Epstein’s superpower was elite social networking—not just blackmail, but connecting people and currying favor via inside information and business deals.
    • "Epstein was a rock star of networking... He knew what everybody's levers were...flattering them, investing in them, giving them tips, connecting them..." – Jack Armstrong [31:40]
  • The Wall Street Journal is cited for exposing Epstein's deep involvement in insider stock trading.
  • This segment underscores the power dynamics leveraged by such figures and the host’s own discomfort with social climbing.
    • "I'm so bad at that sort of thing. Not insider trading, but networking." – Jack Armstrong [33:05]

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5. Cuba on the Brink: A Country in Crisis

• [34:29] The focus shifts to Cuba’s escalating collapse amidst nationwide blackouts and food shortages.
  • Reports detail hospitals closing, food spoilage, and a general sense that this is the worst crisis Cubans have faced.
    • "In a country used to hardship, the situation has never been worse than it is right now in Cuba..." – Joe Getty [35:17]
  • Trump is quoted fantasizing about “taking” or “freeing” Cuba:
    • "I do believe I'll be the honor of having the honor of taking Cuba. That'd be good. That's a big honor." – Donald Trump (clip) [36:24]
  • Armstrong & Getty discuss the potential for regime change and the economic potential of a free Cuba, referencing its rich cultural contributions:
    • "That should be a prosperous... Cuba's a giant one of those (Caribbean destinations). Plus it's closer." – Joe Getty [38:00]

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6. Middle East Update: Iran, Israel, and Escalations

• [44:49] Armstrong clarifies breaking news: Israel attacked Iran’s biggest natural gas field, signaling further escalation in the region.
  • "The reporting today is, according to Ian Bremmer, that Israel attacked the biggest natural gas field on the planet in Iran with our encouragement... that is a signal that the war is escalated." – Jack Armstrong [45:53]
  • The hosts ponder the long-term prospects of Iran, possible civil collapse, and nuclear proliferation.
    • "Sometimes you have two very bad options and you have to choose one of them." – Jack Armstrong [46:46]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "He was like an amateur ICE agent." – Jack Armstrong on Cesar Chavez [08:19]
• "Are they desanctifying this guy because of the immigration stuff, or did these women just come forward and it's what it appears to be on the surface? I don't know." – Jack Armstrong [09:51]
• "Ehrlich's book begins with an evening in Delhi, India, when he found the press of people overwhelming... The answer to his culture shock, he argued, was coerced. Compulsory population control." – Jack Armstrong [19:19-19:50]
• "If I'm always wrong, so is science, since my work is peer reviewed..." – Paul Ehrlich, quoted by Jack Armstrong [16:58]
• "Epstein was a rock star of networking. He was an incredibly gifted networker... That was his skill." – Jack Armstrong [31:40]
• "I do believe I'll be the honor of having the honor of taking Cuba. That'd be good. That's a big honor." – Donald Trump (audio clip) [36:24]
• "He is not a caretaker president. No doubt." – Joe Getty on Donald Trump [48:35]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [03:30] – Trump B2 Bomber clip and Saudi/Iran breaking news
• [05:19] – Cesar Chavez: Icon to Outcast
• [14:56] – Paul Ehrlich & “The Population Bomb”: Influence, Failure, and Harm
• [29:33] – Jeffrey Epstein: The Deeper Game (Insider Trading and Networking)
• [34:29] – Cuba’s Blackouts, Potential for Regime Change, and U.S. Politics
• [44:49] – Clarification: Israel Attacks Iran’s Gas Field; Regional Implications
• [46:46] – Hard Choices in Foreign Policy

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Closing Thoughts

• The final sequence is a mix of irreverent humor, brainstorming, and big-picture reflection: Disney buying Cuba, morbid fascination over Netflix series, and jokes about "caretaker presidents."
• "Some presidents have been referred to as caretaker presidents...whatever the opposite of that is, that's Donald J." – Jack Armstrong [48:21]

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Summary

This episode of Armstrong & Getty offers a biting, engaging autopsy of idealized figures brought low by their own flaws or the shifting winds of history. The hosts dissect the fall of Cesar Chavez and Paul Ehrlich, reflect on the true nature of Epstein’s “success,” and bring attention to the acute crisis in Cuba and new flashpoints in the Middle East. Throughout, the tone is skeptical, wry, and intent on challenging prevailing narratives—sure to engage those interested in how yesterday’s heroes become today’s cautionary tales.

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Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

These gorgeous B2 bombers. Give me that bomber, Andrews. Let me just hug that little sucker. That bomber over there. Thank you. Knew immediately which one. This looks small, but in person it's very big. It's the only plane capable of carrying a 200,000 pound bomb. So I don't know how to do it because it's very sleek and nice, but it carries a lot of weapons and there's a lot of bombs.

[Joe Getty]

That's Trump grabbing the model of the B2 bomber off of his desk. Let me hug that little sucker.

[Jack Armstrong]

Carries a lot of weapons, a lot of bombs. Wow, what an odd bird.

[Joe Getty]

We do have a slight breaking news thing. The biggest gas field in the world in Saudi Arabia has been hit in a number of strikes by Iran. And now your oil gas markets are spiking. We'll see where that goes today.

[Jack Armstrong]

Boy. Wow. They're in a hole and they are digging as fast as they can, just trying to make everybody as angry as

[Joe Getty]

possible, thinking we'll all back off at some point.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. Oh, they're causing too much pain. We've got to stop and let this regime continue. That's a hell of a calculation. I suppose they think that's the only card they have to play. So a bit of a theme hour this hour. It's come together kind of accidentally, but it's all super interesting. In my opinion. It's oh, how the mighty have fallen. We're going to take a look at some very prominent characters from Cesar Chavez to economist rock star of the left, Paul Ehrlich, who wrote the Population Bomb book. And also some of the most interesting information I've come across about Jeffrey Epstein if you really want to understand how he and his cabal of high flyers worked. Coming up this hour. So stay with us. But let's start with Jack and Cesar Chavez.

[Joe Getty]

You heard of Cesar Chavez? He Was the brown Martin Luther King as described by people. Civil rights leader for migrant farm workers back in the day and organized them and got some rights and all that sort of stuff and became a. Is it a. It's not a national holiday. Right. It's a holiday in California and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, right. But he won all sorts of, you know, this guy's a superhero awards through the years from various press.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah. And as they write in the California Post, every progressive history curriculum, every California street sign, every March 31 is proof that here was a flawless champion of the oppressed. Schools were renamed, statues erected, documentaries produced with soft lighting and swelling violins. Well, now he's going to be canceled because it turns out he was raping a 13 year old, at least one, if not many young women, which is pretty horrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, sexually molesting multiple girls and raping grown women.

[Joe Getty]

We got this text. My friend at work was a migrant farm worker her first 25 years of life. And she told me there was definitely a culture of taking young women and no one really did anything about it. I have no way to confirm whether that was true or not, but it seems to have been true for Caesar Chavez himself. Whether that was true for other men of power in the whole migrant farm worker world, I do not know. Maybe we'll learn that over the next

[Jack Armstrong]

couple of weeks, I suspect.

[Joe Getty]

So why, why did the. I hate to call it the woksters because I mean we're all against raping children. You don't have to be woke to be against raping children. But why did this come out now and the New York Times is leading the way on this story? Is it his anti immigration stances which have become, you know, more problematic for Cesar Chavez? Critics who noted Cesar Chavez anti immigration stances way back in the 1970s were dismissed as right wing cranks. The narrative was simple. Flawless labor saint versus evil growers. Yet Chavez was no open borders progressive at any point. He was a staunch opponent of illegal immigration. Viewed undocumented workers as strike bears imported by growers to undercut wages and bust unions. He used the term wetbacks freely to comment on Mexicans who swam across the river and came here and took their jobs. He's the guy that got wet back going as a slur. The United Farm Workers blocked border crossing, brought border crossings. Border crossings physically would fight illegals coming across the border to scare them off of trying to get in. Reported thousands of undocumented workers to the federal government, to ins. Oh my God, I live in a town where they have written in chalk on Every intersection, the phone number to call if you see any ICE agents. Because how dare you ICE out. How dare you turn in an illegal to ice? Cesar Chavez was doing that constantly. Thousands of thousands doing it on his own.

[Jack Armstrong]

He was like an amateur ICE agent.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Chavez saw unchecked illegal immigration as a direct threat to jobs, bargaining power and living standards for domestic farm workers. You know how he thought that? Because it's a hundred percent true. Obviously, you think you're helping the downtrodden migrant farm worker by letting more illegals in. How do you come to that conclusion anyway? I just wonder if maybe that was becoming so uncomfortable that people decided to go after him on this stuff that had to be known by quite a few people, I would think. But I could be wrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm trying to. The New York Times isn't explicit in their piece about the accusers and Chavez about why they've come forward now. They suggest one of them was just pissed off that Bakersfield was about to name a street after the guy right down the road from where she lived

[Joe Getty]

that could be Kavanaugh's accuser. Even though she was a complete crazy person, she believed her own story. Even if she's crazy. You know, when Kavanaugh came up to be Supreme Court justice, then she thought, that's too much. Maybe this person was the same way. Just like, okay, I can't. I can't have to drive down the street name for the guy that raped me when I was 13.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right, right. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And the question remains, are they going to take it? They're going to cancel the holiday in California. It looks like Cesar Chavez Day. Are they going to take his name off middle schools and roads and everything else? There's got to be statues all over the place.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. So, wow. Are they desanctifying this guy because of the immigration stuff, or did these women just come forward and it's what it appears to be on the surface? I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Raping a 13 year old is really awful, but he still did all the things he did. And that's where I wonder about where we go historically on this. We had a Gandhi statue in the park in the town I live in for a while. Then somebody decided, no, Gandhi was wrong on these things.

[Jack Armstrong]

Jack lives in Mumbai, by the way. I kid.

[Joe Getty]

And somebody decided, no, he was bad on these areas. So they took the Gandhi statue down. I mean, so is there going to be any. Anybody left that accomplished great things but had a. I'm not going to say sorted because you don't have a sordid personnel life if you're raping 13 year olds, but an awful personal life. I just, I don't know how we handle this historically.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oddly enough, the reference to India is a good time to move on to Paul Ehrlich, author of the Population Bomb, hero of the left for many years, always wrong. And yet his policies endured. He was more than wrong. He was a monster. He was a terrible human being, and we'll explain why after the break. So stay with us.

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[Jack Armstrong]

You're almost certainly not starving though. And Paul Ehrlich, who just passed away, was the author of a 1968 book, the Population Bomb. To call it a sensation is to understate it by a thousand times. He was a rock star. He was on the Tonight show with Johnny Carson 20 times. He was, interestingly, a butterfly biologist turned rock star eco pessimist, according to Matt Ridley. Nice piece of writing there. He essentially predicted mass starvation. Well, read part of it. In 1968 he forecast that within the coming decade, at least 100 to 200 million people per year will be starving to death.

[Joe Getty]

So by 78 or in the 70s, he probably went in the 70s. So in the 70s, hundreds of millions of people were going to starve to death because of the population being so big.

[Jack Armstrong]

And by 1985, enough millions will have died to reduce the Earth's population some acceptable level, like one and a half billion people. Furthermore, he warned that by 1980, the life expectancy of the average American would have fallen to 42 years as the result of cancer caused by pesticides.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And when he died, most people said, you know, he was wrong about that. The New York Times charmingly said he was premature in his prediction, but he was so incredibly, farcically wrong. The reasons why are interesting. And also, the guy was a freaking monster. I will illustrate, quoting again from Mr. Ridley.

[Joe Getty]

Meanwhile.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, oh. They mentioned the irony that he survived a half century longer than the life expectancy he predicted. Also spent his last years as one of more than 8 billion people. In an era in which global life expectancy has increased by more than seven hours day. Seven hours a day since he forecast that it would collapse. Meanwhile, famine has gone all but gone extinct, with death rates from mass starvation down to a tiny fraction of what they were in the 60s. Back then, about 30 million people out of a population of approximately 3 billion died in famines that killed more than 100,000 people each. In the 2010s, 1.1 million, not 30 million, 1.1 million. Out of population, more than 8 billion died in such episodes, a decline of more than 96% in the death rate. He shot to fame in 1968 with the population bomb, the prologue of which is dismissed. All hope for humankind, and I quote, the battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s, hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. And at this late date, nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate. Yet something did prevent that. Even as Ehrlich wrote those words, the world's population grade was. The world's population growth rate was falling. New strains of wheat and rice developed by agronomists he mentions a famous agronomist, were starting to transform the productivity of agriculture. India was on its way to banishing famine and becoming a food exporter within a few years. The amount of food available has increased faster than the population on every continent on Earth over the past 60 years, even as the land area devoted to farming has fallen. As often so often happens with environmental pessimism, Ehrlich's warning was already out of date when it was made, but he stubbornly stuck to his views. In 08, he was still predicting an unhappy increase in the death rate in 2023, he posted plaintively, if I'm always wrong, so is science, since my work is peer reviewed, including the population bomb, and I've gotten virtually every scientific honor. Sure, I've made mistakes, but no basic ones. All right, here's where he becomes a monster. And he did win the MacArthur Fellowship, the Genius grant fellowship with London's Royal Society in 2012, even though he'd said in 1971, if I were a gambler, I'd take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000. So his book reminds me of the time.

[Joe Getty]

Did he think it would be underwater?

[Jack Armstrong]

He doesn't explain that. No, I don't. I don't know. I don't have the context to that claim. But his book begins with an evening in Delhi, India, when he found the press of people overwhelming. Quote, people eating, people washing, people sleeping, people visiting, arguing and screaming, people thrusting their hands through the taxi window, begging, people defecating and urinating. You presume he means like in public? Because they're doing that everywhere, Paul.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, I planned to today.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm happy for you. The answer to his culture shock, he argued, was coerced. Compulsory population control. Quote, the operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions. The pain may be intense. He was calling for forced sterilizations, including in India, on all men who had three or more children. Coercion in a good cause. He was astounded that libertarians objected when the American government took up his suggestion. In 1975, Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi was threatened with the loss of World bank loans unless she began forcibly sterilizing people. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

I do not know this.

[Jack Armstrong]

She obliged, and her son Sanjay carried out a program making permits, licenses, rations, and even housing applications conditional on sterilization. Over 8 million people were sterilized.

[Joe Getty]

I had no idea of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

The irony is that one of the greatest causes of the falling birth rate in the world over the past half century has been kindness, not cruelty in the form of child mortality prevention. As poor nations become wealthier and quality medical care for infants spread, birth rates declined across the world without the aid of coercion. When mothers are confident that their children will survive, they plan for smaller families. There are a number of factors at work, though.

[Joe Getty]

Now countries all around the world are trying to figure out, how much money do we have to give a woman to get her to have a baby?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, no kidding. For Americans, too. Ehrlich recommended coercion and control for American citizens. In a 1970 interview, he said that television programs should be ordered by the federal government to always show large families in a negative light.

[Joe Getty]

I remember that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

How crazy is that? He was gonna have. This goes beyond anything you've ever heard about the First Amendment in terms of trash. Again, you're going to make the government force entertainment to show big families in a negative light.

[Jack Armstrong]

Commercials should relentlessly shame such people. If that did not work, the government should give women, quote, bonuses for not having babies or change the tax structure to punish the fertile and if necessary, start legislating the size of the family and throw you in jail if you have too many children. Those are quotes.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. He is a nut.

[Jack Armstrong]

And he set the tone for the nascent environmental movement, which saw people as a problem, economic growth as a crime, and coercion as necessary. The carrots of incentives are not enough. The sticks of punishment and regulation are necessary.

[Joe Getty]

Well, a lot of.

[Jack Armstrong]

This guy was an effing monster. Pardon me.

[Joe Getty]

A lot of you listening are probably too young to have lived through this, but Joe and I being in the winter of our lives, remember this was a constant conversation topic about the population of the. The earth, you know, becoming unsustainable. And it's inevitable. It's just, what are we going to do about it? I mean, his book had an incredible influence, and now we look back on it and it seems almost hilarious in that the biggest problem we might have is mankind of us disappearing because we don't have kids. The climate change thing is going to be the same. I think back on it, decade years from now, maybe like two years from now, and just it's gonna seem hilarious that anybody was ever worried about this.

[Jack Armstrong]

The difference, Al Gore, is that so many people have profited so mightily from this.

[Joe Getty]

That's true.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean, there are a lot of true believers, but there are a lot of cynics who are like, oh, my God. We frighten the populace to the point that they'll authorize any expenditure. If we can even implausibly claim it'll help with climate change, we can hand out billions of dollars to our cronies, and at least half of America, for instance, will thank us for it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God, I wish I'd gotten in on a scam. It's to my discredit. I didn't.

[Joe Getty]

Nobody was building giant windmill farms to cut the population and making money off of it. We got a lot more on the way. Hope you can stay here.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Did an earthquake just come through? Yes. Our whole house shook and we thought

[Joe Getty]

that something hit like the roof of the grocery store. It was just a really loud bang

[Jack Armstrong]

and I just hear a giant thud

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[Jack Armstrong]

is this the end times? It sounded like a bowling ball dropped

[Joe Getty]

on the floor above me. It was pretty loud. That's people that were. Was it in Ohio someplace that the meteor actually hit? But so the meteor was streaking across half the country and I've seen so many videos now. People catching them with their ring cameras or had their cell phone out or whatever the heck. And absolutely my first thought would have been we're under attack. I mean it was that big and bright and low. I wouldn't have thought meteor. I would have thought ballistic missile from somebody.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'm not sure I could have gotten past my just animal because it

[Joe Getty]

lasts like that long and unless you're in Ohio, it just disappeared from the sky.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think I would have just been caveman bad.

[Joe Getty]

Bad is big, bright and low though. Yeah, like nothing you've ever seen before. If you've seen any of these videos anywho Interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

What do we have coming up?

[Joe Getty]

I'm glad we live in a country where that's not really possible as opposed to many, many countries where it is possible and actually happening as we speak.

[Jack Armstrong]

Certainly unlikely.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, coming up, Cuba. Like we need more on our world plate of interesting things. Cuba's about to fall. More on that in a second.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, okay. We're assassinating characters this hour. Not really. We're just telling the truth about prominent people, including in this case, Jeffrey Epstein. And it's funny, we're talking about Cesar Chavez, who is almost certainly guilty of raping children, forcing himself upon them, raping an adult woman.

[Joe Getty]

That's not us. Right wing radio talk show host. That's the New York Times saying that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, straight from his victim's mouths. Yeah. And it seems to be very, very well corroborated. And the Park Street School near you will soon be renamed anyway. Certainly if you're in California. The stuff on Epstein is interesting. I think a lot of people, for whatever reason, are so obsessed with the sexual angle of his hijinks. And certainly he did manipulate and victimize young women, both underage and just young women, girls and women. But they're so obsessed with the sexual stuff, I think they're missing an even more interesting story. And I'm not necessarily even talking about the, the obsessed, you know, QAnon pizza gate crazy, crazy stuff who just, you know, we've talked about why they're compelled to believe that sort of thing anyway. But the, the Wall Street Journal has a super interesting piece and we've today about the network of insider stock trading that he and his connections engaged in. Because this guy, I believe in the same way that I understand that Hitler was a master of populist politics. I mean, he's one of the best the, the world has ever seen. And you can still understand that he's evil. Completely evil. Completely corrupt and evil. Epstein was a rock star of networking. He was an incredibly gifted networker. And I've heard that said by all sorts of people from all sorts of different worlds, from science to academia to business to politics. He knew what everybody's levers were. And not like threatening them and blackmailing them, flattering them, investing in them, giving them tips, connecting them with like, other people who could help them. So therefore, you'd be more than delighted to do him a favor when the day came. That was his skill. And this, this article is a, it's a roster of execs from JP Morgan Chase to key advisors to Bill Gates to Ehud Barak, the Former Prime Minister of Israel who was on the board of a tech startup to. I mean, there's all sorts of. Prince Andrew, even Peter Mandelson, the British diplomat who was gay and had no interest in young girls at all. They all traded information and he was the point guard. Trading wasn't the source of all of his wealth. A lot of it came from advising billionaires like Leon Black and Les Wexner has been great, you know, discussed a lot, but he, he engaged in all sorts of insider trading with all sorts of people. That, you know, that's the long and short of it. That's what you need to understand about it. I'm so bad at that sort of thing. Not insider trading, but networking.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, me too, because I just am naturally predisposed to not want to do that sort of thing. But it's. It's a good idea if you're personality allows it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I. I know guys. I'm. I'm glad to be friendly with them, but they are so outgoing and good at, you know, the whole talking about your vacation and their vacation and then you're. Whatever. Then they're. And yeah, like this guy was a master at it.

[Joe Getty]

If I know a guy who's got, you know, I don't know, needs water but doesn't have buckets and another guy who has buckets but doesn't have water, if I thought, you know, I'll bet I could put those two together. But then we'd have to have dinner and then I. Yeah, so I just keep my mouth shut.

[Jack Armstrong]

On the other hand, Jeffrey Epstein, people like him would think now bucket boy and water king over there, they both love me, right? Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I just keep my mouth shut. Too bad about that bucket situation you got there. I wish I knew. Somebody can't help you anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And there are all sorts of examples. Here's a big medical company and their ipo. Swiss drug giant Roche. And he was tipped off early by his connections that somebody was buying somebody and blah, blah. Then he let friends in on it and so they owed him big. And. Yeah, that's. That's wild.

[Joe Getty]

So on the topic of Cuba, I'll admit that really everything I know about Cuba comes from Hemingway books and the Godfather. That's about the extent of my Cuban knowledge. And the Cuban Missile Crisis. I guess that's it. That's. That's the beginning and end of my Cuban knowledge. But it's communist country and it's been, you know, kind of a basket case on the verge of falling my entire life. But Trump Said the other day, you know, Cuba's next. It'd be my honor. And I thought, oh, okay. I don't, I don't know what he's got planned or whatever. Then I saw this report on the news last night, which got my attention. Listen to this.

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[Jack Armstrong]

The nationwide blackout yesterday is still keeping much of the country in the dark. In a nation used to hardship, Cubans say the situation has never been worse.

[Joe Getty]

In a country used to hardship, the situation has never been worse than it is right now in Cuba because of us taking out Madur in Venezuela and cutting off the oil and all the different sorts of things in the embargo. And so we have forced Cuba into the worst situation it's ever been in domestically. The country has been plunged into darkness this week by a blackout, the third big failure of its power grid since December, opening the door to Trump suggesting that he might have to take Cuba. Energy blockade. Many of the nation's 11 million residents struggling to keep food from spoiling because they got no electricity. So soon the food will spoil in the refrigerators that aren't running, and then it's going to really be a crisis. Hospitals have canceled surgeries all across the country. The leading universities are closed. I mean, it is bad in Cuba, and somehow that's not on the radar. Well, pretty obvious reasons. We're at war with Iran.

[Jack Armstrong]

Were you going to play the clump clump trip, the Trump clip?

[Joe Getty]

I was not. Do we have one?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we do. 60.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

I do believe I'll be the honor of having the honor of taking Cuba. That'd be good. That's a big honor.

[Joe Getty]

Taking Cuba.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

Taking Cuba in some form. Yeah, taking Cuba. I mean, whether I free it, take it. I think I could do anything I want with it. You want to know the truth? They're a very weakened nation right now.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. So 53 states. You got Canada, Cuba and Greenland.

[Joe Getty]

Now, Cuba really should be a state of the United States. You go back a hundred years, at least.

[Jack Armstrong]

An independent country that's not run by a corrupt, fake communist mobile.

[Joe Getty]

Anyway, I for one didn't know Cuba was in the worst shape it's ever been. That's. That's saying something. If you know anything about the ups and downs of Cuba over the years. Wow. So as soon as all that food spoils in all the fridges across the country, then it's gonna, that's gonna turn into a serious, serious crisis really fast.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Trump, who increasingly in that clip at least sounded a little like don Corleone is going to offer, make them an offer they can't refuse, which would be wonderful for the Cuban people. I don't know what form it will take. I certainly hope it leads toward a move toward democracy and human rights and the rest of it for the poor people of Cuba. And it's not like, you know, the world is hungering for more vacation destinations. Exactly. But that should be a prosperous. I mean, pick your. Your favorite Caribbean destination. Bahamas, Jamaica, the US Virgin Islands, something like that. Cuba's a giant one of those.

[Joe Getty]

Plus it's closer. See, there would be endless boat trips back and forth between Miami, Key west and Cuba. Well, how much fun would that be? It's 70 miles. So how much fun would that be?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, exactly. I was going to say the flight would be like one of those puddle jumpers that you take from a Sacramento to a San Francisco or a New York to a. You know, what's the big city in Connecticut? Connecticut city.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

Who cares?

[Jack Armstrong]

Doesn't matter. Bristol, whatever. Yeah, I mean, it would be incredibly quick and easy. And I have great affection for Cuba for a couple of reasons.

[Joe Getty]

Tower Havana. That's what we're going to see.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's entirely possible.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Jack Armstrong]

The music of Cuba. They have an incredibly rich heritage of music. There are various documentaries. You should watch them. The food is fantastic. It's a beautiful, beautiful place. I've never been. I've just seen cigars. You got your cigars, you got the attractive chiquitas. And I just hate whenever people are oppressed by these communist swine. And this, like, it's so close. I mean, it's right there. Why are we letting a communist regime poison our neighborhood?

[Joe Getty]

Well, I don't think. I think it's coming to an end, like, in days.

[Jack Armstrong]

What sort of deal do they cut? You got to just buy off anybody who's anybody.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And say, look, go, you know, go wherever you want. Go to hell, go to Texas. We don't care if I own Texas. And hell, I'd live in hell and rent out Texas anyway. Blah, blah, blah. What was I saying? Oh, yeah, right. Whatever form the deal takes, let's. Let's get it going. It would be a bit of a basket case for a while, but not permanently.

[Joe Getty]

Here's Mark Halpern's writing on it. Cuba. Cuba is all teed up. And Trump is going to do pretty much any. What he. Anything he wants, anytime he wants. After Secretary Rubio dots a few more eyes, so. And you. There's nobody more excited about this than our current Secretary of state whose family

[Jack Armstrong]

fled Cuba, so they were driven out by the brutality of the communists. Yeah, that's gonna be he hates them for real.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah, that's gonna be a heck of a thing. No, but aren't I didn't realize it was that bad. I didn't realize it was the worst it's ever been.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, they're patrons. I mean, Soviet Union's gone. Russia continued to help out some, but Russia's got its own problems. Venezuela was a pipeline for fuel and and money and the rest of it ain't doing nothing now. Yeah, Yoink indeed. It's one of the great yoinkings in the Western Hemisphere history.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, we will finish strong next Armstrong and Getty

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[Joe Getty]

Yes, Cold Coffee.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh yeah, right.

[Joe Getty]

I knew it had coffee in the title, but I didn't know what it was. I was trying to find it. The other. That is a cool tune.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who's the artiste? Why did I say it like that? McDermott. Questions? I have Gate McDermott.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Deet. Did you say Gate?

[Joe Getty]

G A I T. You're making up names?

[Jack Armstrong]

No. Okay, she's making random noises. G a I T. MacDermott. Gate McDermott. Okay, thank you.

[Joe Getty]

So I got a story completely wrong earlier. I don't know if I was reading too fast or just. Or I'm dumb. But it is true that the biggest natural gas field on planet Earth got attacked. But it was a. It's in Iran and it was attacked by Israel. Oh, so Israel had attacked their oil refineries the other day. And at least the news reporting was the United States was very unhappy about that, that we said, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't do that. We're trying to get people to rise up, take back their country. We can't obliterate their infrastructure and expect them to take over a country that has no infrastructure. So don't do that. The reporting today is, according to Ian Bremmer, that Israel attacked the biggest natural gas field on the planet in Iran with our encouragement. And according to Ian Bremmer, that is a signal that the war is escalated and we're on to a different trajectory now. We got it. We got to do whatever we can to weaken them, even if we have to damage their infrastructure a great deal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got to admit, I'm starting to be concerned about the amount of time, effort and money it's going to take to prevent Iran from turning into a dog eat dog quagmire of a nightmare of a dystopian, you know, hellscape. Post war. Even if there is a new thing, what does the transition look like? A new regime and how long does that take? And what sort of sectarian fighting will there be for how long as it unfolds?

[Joe Getty]

So it ends up like, like such a barren wasteland. You've got the Kurds trying to take a chunk and Al Qaeda's involved and what's left of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and maybe Iraq thinks we'll expand and.

[Jack Armstrong]

And it's a country of 90 million people.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, history will tell.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can't have a nuke, though, and they're sure as hell trying to get one.

[Joe Getty]

Unleash the dogs of war.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's the thing that a lot of people can't accept. Sometimes you have two very bad options and you have to choose one of them. Them.

[Joe Getty]

I don't want the show to be over already. I do.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's your host, Kate McDermott there with a yach. Here's your host.

[Joe Getty]

For final thoughts, that's Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap up the show. Wouldn't that be delightful? Michelangelo, our technical director, will lead the way. Michael, final thought. Yeah. I got an idea about Cuba. Disney buys it. They've already got a park in Florida.

[Joe Getty]

You add that to the Disneyland.

[Jack Armstrong]

Disney is evil, Michael. Sorry. They have lawyers. Allegedly. According to Katie. It's just a thought. I'll take it. Katie Green, our esteemed newswoman, has a final thought. Katie, I can't figure out if I'm normal or sick and twisted for Looking forward to the Netflix series about this grief author.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, no kidding. That'll be interesting. There needs to be a really, really good documentary about that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jack, a final thought for us.

[Joe Getty]

I just sneezed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh God bless you Bird flu.

[Joe Getty]

This is apropos. Nothing. Just came across this headline in the New York Post. I could hear them working on me. Why more patients are choosing to stay awake during three hour facelifts.

[Jack Armstrong]

What? Well, I just passed out.

[Joe Getty]

I could hear them working on me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh golly. Oh boy. I was thinking my final thought during the last segment there. Some presidents have been referred to as caretaker presidents. They really didn't do much, whatever the opposite of that is. That's Donald J.

[Joe Getty]

No kidding.

[Jack Armstrong]

Crap.

[Joe Getty]

He is not a caretaker president. No doubt. Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Jack Armstrong]

So many people. Thanks. So little time. Go to armstrong yeti.com for the swag store Pick up an A G T shirt. Helps keep everybody on staff during these challenging times. How about I ruin the entire country Newsome 2028 T shirt or a hat, a hoodie, whatever you like. Drop us a note [e-mail] and hip hop links.

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[Joe Getty]

God Bless America. Armstrong and get it and the reporting was yesterday. It was just accidental that he didn't die. He should have died. He stepped outside to take a call or a smoke. I forget what I read yesterday, but he like he went. He went down the stairs. He was headed outside for something he had to like.

[Jack Armstrong]

Go

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