One of the Greatest Debates!

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: “One of the Greatest Debates!”

Date: February 4, 2026

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Overview

In this lively episode, the Armstrong & Getty team pivots away from sports talk and dives deep into what they call "one of the greatest debates": the correct way to load a dishwasher, especially when it comes to the orientation of silverware. A staple of domestic disputes everywhere, this conversation is filled with humor, friendly jabs, and genuine curiosity about one another's habits at home. The show’s signature banter and comedic chemistry shine as each host reveals their own dishwasher philosophies, with occasional asides about Super Bowl traditions, family quirks, and the challenges of modern appliances.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Do You Care About the Super Bowl?

[02:58–04:43]

• Joe asks Katie and the group if they have a rooting interest in the Super Bowl.
  • Katie: “Not really.”
    Joe: “Doesn't really matter to me.”
• Joe reminisces about how watching the Super Bowl with his dad was a formative experience, but his own kids just aren't interested.
• Glenn chimes in, recalling a childhood preference for playing football over watching it on TV.
  • Glenn: “I didn't have a lot of patience for watching sports on TV.”
• The group jokes about halftime shows and generational disconnects:
  • Family Member: “My parents would complain about whoever's performing, whether it's, you know, Bad Bunny. This is not music.”
  • Glenn: “Glenn Miller was the last one they really enjoyed.”
• Glenn shares an anecdote about a legendary Super Bowl photographer, illustrating generational continuity and the history of the game.

2. The Dishwasher Debate: Mouth Side Up or Down?

[05:45–11:34]

Introducing the Disagreement

• Katie raises a current household debate: which direction should the silverware face in the dishwasher basket?
  • Katie: “Do you put them mouth side up or mouth side down?” [06:34]
• Immediate responses show divisions:
  • Joe: “Mouth side down… That's how I've always done it, but that doesn't mean it's right.”
  • Family Member (with Katie): “They go up.”
  • Glenn: Admits to being “mostly” an up guy, but not always consistent—sometimes puts them in randomly, depending on what fits.
    Joe: “That's crazy.”

Arguments for Both Sides

• Pro Mouth Side Up (Katie’s team):
  • Katie: “I put all of the mouth hole sides up…. And Drew argues with me."
    [09:16]
  • Family Member: “I'm like you, Katie. They go up.”
  • Katie is adamant about consistency.
• Pro Mouth Side Down (Drew’s/Joe’s team):
  • Joe: "You put them up, though, without getting your hands all gooey by having to grab them all by the dirty end. …I don't want to touch the food end when I'm putting them in there. And I don't want to touch the mouth—the part that's going to go in people's mouths—when I take them out.” [09:34]
  • Glenn: “That's a good point, Drew. I agree.”
  • Glenn (with exaggerated seriousness): “Now, with all respect to your womanly emotionalism about this topic, Drew's right. It's a handle. You handle the handle. Points to Drew.” [10:15]

Sanitation and Practicality

• Discussing dishwasher cleanliness and the challenges of modern dishwashers:
  • Joe: "Dishwashers … not near as good as they used to be. You have to practically wash your dishes by hand before you put them in.”
  • Glenn (jokingly about old detergents): “That’s because the detergent had, like, stuff that's now banned by the Geneva Convention.”

Arguments Over Spooning Cutlery

• Glenn: “You can't have the spoons spooning.”
• Joe: “I work on making sure they don't spoon. But I do put mouth side down.”
• Katie, slightly concerned: “I've never ended up with spoons… spooning. You guys just gave me a complex.”

Humor and Petty Revenge

• The group jokes about “psychopath” dishwasher loaders (randomly up and down).
  • Katie (joking about random placement): “I'd be figuring out how to put a pillow over your face at night if you're doing that.”
  • Joe: “Sum up, some down, just completely random. This is no good for the universe.”
• The “muck” from glasses lying on their sides is discussed, with Katie capturing her husband Drew’s offenses via photo:
  • Katie: “I take a picture of it and I just send it to him. No words.” [10:44]
  • "The way a normal human being would, and not a chimp or what?” [11:09]

Escalation: Is This Just Spite?

• The hosts wonder whether Drew is purposely putting glasses sideways or incorrect to provoke Katie.
  • Family Member: “Do you think he does it on purpose just to bug you?”
  • Katie: “I'm starting to wonder. That might be.”
  • Joe: “It's the only part of my life I can still control.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I kind of would like to see the Seahawks get their comeuppance, I think. But I don't know. I don't really. Doesn't really matter to me.” — Joe, [03:04]
• “I'd watched some of it. Then I would go out and play football with my friends, and we'd miss, like, the second half.” — Glenn, [03:47]
• “That's exactly what's going to happen. Yep.” — Joe, responding to chips and dip ending up on his chest, [04:22]
• “I say you're doing it wrong.” — Katie, introducing the debate, [05:58]
• “You just randomly? Wait a second. You're a psychopath. You just randomly put them in—sum up, some down?” — Joe, [07:24]
• “Now, with all respect to your womanly emotionalism about this topic, Drew's right. It's a handle. You handle the handle. Points to Drew.” — Glenn, [10:15]
• “It's the only part of my life I can still control.” — Joe, about dubious dishwasher methods, [11:30]
• “The way a normal human being would and not a chimp or what?” — Katie, [11:09]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Super Bowl Traditions & Childhood Memories: 02:58–05:45
• Dishwasher Cutlery Orientation Debate Begins: 05:45
• Arguments for Mouth Side Up/Down, Spooning Issues: 06:52–09:49
• Practicality, Cleanliness, and Modern Dishwashers: 09:49–10:39
• Humorous Escalations, Petty Spite, and Control: 10:44–11:34

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Tone and Style

The episode is lighthearted, sarcastic, and playful, filled with teasing (“You’re a psychopath!”), mock-serious debates, and the hosts’ signature friendly ribbing. The conversation feels like a classic, relatable family or household dispute that listeners will recognize from their own lives. There’s a strong mix of nostalgia (childhood Super Bowls) and domestic comedy (spite-dishwashing and “chimp” accusations).

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Conclusion

This episode of Armstrong & Getty delivers a hilarious and oddly passionate exploration of dishwasher etiquette, complete with personal confessions and mini battles over household protocol. The hosts’ banter and deadpan humor transform the mundane into an engaging, memorable exchange—a must-listen (or must-read!) for anyone who’s ever argued about chores at home.

Transcript

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[Katie]

One of the greatest debates. It's one more thing. Armstrong and Getty.

[Glenn]

One more thing.

[Joe]

Have we asked you, Katie, do you have a rooting interest in the Super Bowl?

[Jacob Goldstein]

No.

[Joe]

No. Don't care.

[Katie]

Not really.

[Joe]

I kind of. Because I root for the 49ers a lot. Kind of would like to see the Seahawks get their comeuppance, I think. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't really. Doesn't really matter to me.

[Katie]

Plus, my Drew's working during the super bowl, so it's like.

[Joe]

My kids. It's. It's funny. My kids just have no interest in that sort of stuff. And I haven't worked really hard to cultivate an interest in professional sports. Watching it on tv, like, when I was a kid, it would have been just unimaginable to not sit there and watch the super bowl with my dad, starting at age like 5 or something. I remember it, and I loved it doing it, but I can't.

[Jacob Goldstein]

I have to.

[Joe]

I have to force my kids to do it. And they'll at some point say, can I go now? Would it be all right if I go do something else?

[Glenn]

That's funny. I remember as a kid pretty clearly that I. I didn't have a lot of patience for watching sports on tv. I'd watched some of it. Then I would go out and play football with my friends, and we'd miss, like, the second half.

[Joe]

Yeah, my kids have no interest. They'll probably come watch the halftime show, see the music. Otherwise, I'll just be sitting there with big bowl of Michael's dip between my legs. Maybe no shirt on.

[Katie]

Oh, good.

[Glenn]

Chips. Chips accumulating on your belly.

[Joe]

Exactly.

[Katie]

It's gonna drip on you, and you're. Use a Frito to scoop it off your chest.

[Joe]

That's exactly what's going to happen. Yep.

[Family Member]

For years, my family, we'd watch the super bowl together. And it always be, when halftime comes, my parents would complain about whoever's performing, whether it's, you know, Bad Bunny. This is not music.

[Glenn]

In my music, you know, Glenn Miller was the last one they really enjoy.

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[Glenn]

Oh, that reminds me. I heard a featurette about a guy who has been a photographer at every single Super Bowl. He's the only one. He's going to turn 75 this year. His dad was one of the photographers for the Green Bay packers in the 60s, and so he got the nod to bring a pro camera and all. He's a talented young teenage photographer. And he got the iconic picture of Bart Starr twisting to hand the ball off on one of the key plays. And then he was at the Ice bowl the next year, and he got the iconic shot of. Was it Bart Star again busting through the line for the touchdown. And he got his career from there. And he's been at every single Super Bowl.

[Joe]

Final super bowl note. It's always been handy for me and Joe. For Joe. Because we're the same age. Our age is the same as the super bowl, so I always know what super bowl it is because I'm 16 at Super Bowl 16. It's always been that way. It's very handy. Very handy for me looking.

[Glenn]

It's a real Blessing.

[Joe]

Super Bowl 25. I know. I was 25 when I watched that. It is a blessing. Okay, what do you got for us, Katie?

[Katie]

Okay, this is one of the arguments that's currently taking place in my household, and I need to know whose team you guys are on.

[Glenn]

Is this an. Am I the A hole more or less, or. Or just battle of the sexes?

[Katie]

No, this is. I say you're doing it wrong.

[Glenn]

Oh, okay. All right.

[Katie]

When you. When you load the dishwasher.

[Glenn]

Oh, right.

[Joe]

It's funny how people. I did, and you got me going. Now. People have particular ways of loading the dishwasher. Well, you get to get a getaway going. And if somebody comes along and, like, they put the bowls there instead of there, whatever. It's like, oh, I've got a system here. I've got a system.

[Katie]

We won't even. I mean, I'll throw it out there, but we won't even get into how. For some reason, Drew thinks you lay glasses on their side.

[Glenn]

That's just.

[Joe]

That's wrong. How are you even married to this?

[Katie]

I'm. I guess I don't know. No, I do know. Okay. When you put the forks, the knives, the spoons, not the sharp knives, like for cutting steaks and whatnot, but the butter knives, do you put them mouth side up or mouth side down?

[Joe]

Mouth. I like you using mouth.

[Katie]

Mouth hole.

[Joe]

Oh, at the end of the fourth, you put in your mouth hole. Yeah, okay. I put a mouth side down. You're a mouth side up person.

[Family Member]

I'm like you, Katie. They go up.

[Joe]

How do you put them up, though, without getting your hands all gooey by having to, like, grab them all by the dirty end.

[Glenn]

So I had the handle and you.

[Joe]

Kind of drop them your mouth side up also.

[Glenn]

Mostly, yeah.

[Katie]

How. How? No, consistency is key here, Joe.

[Joe]

You just randomly. Wait a second. That you're a psychopath. You just randomly put them in sum up some. That's how stuff fits. That's crazy.

[Glenn]

Oh, boy.

[Katie]

I'd be figuring out how to put a pillow over your face at night if you're doing that.

[Joe]

Sum up some down. Just completely random. This is no good for the universe. No.

[Glenn]

You can't have the spoons spooning.

[Joe]

No, no.

[Glenn]

So I throw a little variance in there.

[Joe]

I work on making sure they don't spoon. But I do. I do put mouth side down.

[Katie]

So my little.

[Joe]

I feel like somebody told me that years ago and I've just done it that way. But that doesn't mean it's right. I don't. I don't have, like, a reason for it.

[Katie]

Well, nothing's going to stop them from spooning if the mouth side is down.

[Joe]

Well, no.

[Glenn]

I go for a variety of utensils in every slot.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mix them up. Got a knife, a fork and a spoon. A knife, a fork and a spoon.

[Glenn]

Generally up. Now that I think about it, I think I'm an up guy.

[Joe]

But the sharp ones you put down so you don't stab yourself.

[Glenn]

Oh, yeah. 100.

[Katie]

Yeah. All the real pokey things I put downward. But the. The forks, the spoons, the knives, and I've got one of the holders that has a bunch of different sections. So I just kind of. I don't. I've never ended up with spoons.

[Joe]

Spooning.

[Katie]

You guys just gave me a complex. I never thought of that.

[Glenn]

Now dishwashers are dirty. You could catch a dread disease. Oh, probably kill you.

[Joe]

Trump's right about this. Dishwashers and water pressure and all that sort of stuff, not near as good as it used to be. So you have to practically clean your. Wash your dishes by hand to put them in the dishwasher to get him clean. But that's annoying because he used to be able to put a. I remember back, like, when I was in college, you could put something that was crusty and hard, been sitting there for a month in the sun, and put it in the dishwasher and it would get it clean. But you can't do that anymore.

[Glenn]

Well, that's because the dishwasher detergent had, like, stuff that's now banned by the Geneva Convention. I mean, you got battery acid and ddt.

[Joe]

Yes. Koreans Wouldn't use that now. Right?

[Glenn]

Exactly.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Okay, so you guys go because. Okay, so I put all of the mouth hole sides up. This is what I'm gonna call it. And. And Drew argues with.

[Glenn]

I think just mouth is fine.

[Joe]

I like mouth hole.

[Glenn]

Yeah, nice job, mouth hole.

[Katie]

But Drew argues with me.

[Joe]

Well, then you gotta touch the part.

[Katie]

You put your mouth on. I agree.

[Glenn]

That's a good point, Drew. I agree.

[Joe]

I agree with him.

[Glenn]

That's a manly logic.

[Joe]

I don't want to touc are coming out. I don't want to touch the food end when I'm putting them in there. And I don't want to touch the mouth. The part's going to go in people's mouths when I take them out.

[Katie]

Well, because I plan ahead. I wash my hands prior to emptying the dishwasher. And I do. No every time. I'm not Joe. I'm not a monster, Okay? I don't do things sometimes.

[Joe]

Don't drop the ribs on the welcome mat and then put it back on the plate.

[Glenn]

Psycho German.

[Joe]

Nobody died, all right? Nobody died. Yeah, but.

[Katie]

And then I emptied the silverware first. I put it in the drawer, and there's no problem.

[Glenn]

Now, with all respect to your womanly emotionalism about this topic, Drew's right. It's a handle. You handle. The handle points to Drew.

[Katie]

I disagree.

[Joe]

I. I love it when everything's clean in the dishwasher, though. And you open it up and everything's sparkling and clean. That's. That's a. That's a good view, right? I don't like putting it away.

[Katie]

Doesn't happen when you put the glasses in laying on their sides.

[Jacob Goldstein]

I'll tell you.

[Glenn]

That's psycho material.

[Family Member]

Yeah, that's just not right.

[Joe]

That's pretty craz.

[Katie]

Swampy. Oh, the. I've gotten into the habit of when he does it, I take a picture of it and I just send it to him. No words.

[Joe]

That's funny. That's funny.

[Katie]

What is this?

[Joe]

But so if they're laying on the side in a bit of a tilt, so then they get still water in there, right?

[Katie]

Oh, yeah. Just real mucky looking stuff in there that I then get to dump into the sink and then put them in the way a normal human being would and not a chimp or what?

[Glenn]

Wow. Wow. So now we're subhuman in your world.

[Joe]

The way humans do it? Not chimps limps this time. You know, that's pretty funny.

[Family Member]

Do you think he does it on purpose just to bug you?

[Katie]

I'm starting to wonder that might be.

[Joe]

His only little control.

[Katie]

Like, you know that attitude? That attitude you've had while you're pregnant. Watch this sideways glasses.

[Joe]

It's the only part of my life I can still control.

[Glenn]

It's my little bit of freedom.

[Family Member]

Well, I guess that's it.

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