Pass The Baton You Selfish Bastard

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "Pass The Baton You Selfish Bastard" (February 18, 2026)

Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into a variety of contemporary cultural and political topics with classic Armstrong & Getty wit and candor. The main focus is on the social media addiction trial involving Meta and Google, the cultural impacts of the Olympics, escalating gang violence in Sweden linked to immigration, and the ethics of Supreme Court retirements. The hosts share personal reflections, sharp criticism of Big Tech, the media’s treatment of controversial Olympic athletes, and the broader social consequences of policy decisions in the US and abroad.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Social Media Addiction Trial & Tech Accountability

[03:17–15:23]

• Mark Zuckerberg on Trial:
  The hosts discuss Mark Zuckerberg taking the stand in a high-profile trial over social media addiction and related teen mental health crises. Google and Meta are in the dock; Snapchat and TikTok have settled out of court already.
• Personal Responsibility vs. Corporate Accountability:
  Jack and Joe openly question to what extent parents vs. platforms are responsible for children’s social media use, suggesting legal cases are complicated by parental choices:

  “Why the heck this mom was letting her six year old stare endlessly at YouTube and then blaming YouTube for the kid spending too much time looking at YouTube. I don’t, I don’t quite get that.”
  — Jack Armstrong (05:00)

• Damaging Data Points:
  Referencing internal Meta studies showing 13.5% of teen girls had worsened suicidal thoughts and 17% had worsened eating disorders from Instagram.

  “If looking at lots of pictures of other people having a good time makes you suicidal, is that Instagram's fault?”
  — Jack Armstrong (05:56)

• Corporate Mindset Exposed:
  An internal Zuckerberg email highlights the intent to keep teens’ social media activity hidden from parents for product growth:

  “If we tell teens’ parents about their live videos, that will probably ruin the product from the start.”
  — Email attributed to Mark Zuckerberg (07:09)

• Tech as "Digital Drug":
  Armstrong & Getty explore the addictive aspect of infinite scroll and dopamine “hits” engineered by social platforms:

  “People are binging on Instagram so much they can’t feel the reward anymore.”
  — Armstrong paraphrasing an internal note (11:40)

• Discussion of Self-Regulation & Societal Values:
  Joe draws analogies to addiction and questions whether even adults’ brains are being changed:

  “How much like alcoholism or drug addiction is that? … All I think about is getting my next drink. I don’t feel my wife’s love. My kids’ birthday party doesn’t delight me. I’m just thinking about drinking.”
  — Joe Getty (11:55)

• Skepticism About Solutions:
  The hosts doubt that regulations like “banning infinite scroll” would ever materialize in the US, and favor greater cultural awareness instead.

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2. Olympic Coverage & Athletes Under Scrutiny

[18:00–34:44]

• Olympic Rivalries & Media Whitewashing:
  The hosts question why American media avoids criticizing Eileen Gu (or "Goo"), an elite skier who competes for China:

  “She is beautiful. She’s betrayed her country and she loves dem commie dollars. It’s Eileen Goo.”
  — Joe Getty (25:50) “Glowing profiles of Gu in the American press are often indistinguishable from the coverage of Gu in official state-sponsored Chinese media. Wow.”
  — Joe Getty (28:18)

• Ethics of Representing Rival Countries for Money:
  The hosts contrast the media’s treatment of Gu with her own agency and business savvy, showing frustration with double standards.

• Abusive Training in Russian Figure Skating:
  They highlight coach Eteri Tutberidze’s tough, exploitative training methods and note the dark side of youth athletes’ sacrifices:

  “You have these little kids snatched away from their families as toddlers and then compelled to compete for the glory of the fatherland until it ruins them. Then they’re just thrown away like garbage.”
  — Joe Getty (32:30)

• Reflection on Youth Sports “Professionalization”:
  Drawing a line to American experience, the hosts reflect on children focused on one sport to the exclusion of all else, sometimes expressing regret later in life.

  “I wish I hadn’t spent every hour of my childhood playing tennis… I wish I had lived a regular life like other people. I hate all of this. I wish I hadn’t done it.”
  — Jack Armstrong, paraphrasing a retired tennis pro (33:36)

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3. Sweden’s Gang Violence and Immigration Policy

[18:11–22:23]

• Bombings Plague Sweden:
  The show reports on an unprecedented rise in gang violence and bombings, directly linked to the country's struggle to integrate a high volume of immigrants:

  “An explosion a day in a country that size.”
  — Jack Armstrong (19:43)

• Political and Social Consequences:
  Discussing the link between social exclusion, crime, and failed integration strategies—a warning about the limits of importing populations into homogeneous societies.
• A Cautionary Tale:
  The hosts criticize US and European elites for ignoring culture's importance in shaping outcomes:

  “Culture matters. It matters more than almost anything.”
  — Joe Getty (21:49)

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4. Supreme Court Succession & “Passing the Baton”

[39:48–44:46]

• Potential for a New Supreme Court Vacancy:
  Hosts speculate on whether a Justice (especially Clarence Thomas, now 77) should retire so a like-minded appointee can take his place before a possible shift in Senate control.

  “Pass the baton, you selfish bastard.”
  — Joe Getty (42:10)

• Debate Over Age, Legacy & Service:
  The practical and ethical aspects of justices timing their retirements for political reasons are debated ("I don't like that.").
• Youth on the Court Thought Experiment:
  The hosts jokingly imagine a slippery slope where all justices end up in their twenties under political pressure.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Parental Responsibility and Tech:

  “This doesn't seem like the best test case to me, because why the heck this mom was letting her six year old stare endlessly at YouTube …"
  — Jack Armstrong (05:00)

• On Social Media Addiction as Corporate Evil:

  “People need to know that these companies are evil. They not only do not have your well-being in mind, they couldn't give a crap. … All I care about is the almighty buck.”
  — Joe Getty (06:14)

• On Regulation:

  “We're not gonna tell Instagram you can't have Infinite Scroll. … Might be good for us, but gotta be self-imposed, folks.”
  — Jack Armstrong (14:45)

• On Olympic Hypocrisy:

  “Glowing profiles of Gu in the American press are often indistinguishable from the coverage of Gu in official state-sponsored Chinese media. Wow.”
  — Joe Getty (28:18)

• On Sweden’s Challenges:

  “An explosion a day in a country that size.”
  — Jack Armstrong (19:43)

• On RBG and Timed Retirements:

  “RBG famously did not.”
  — Joe Getty (41:24)

• On Passing the Baton:

  “Pass the baton, you selfish bastard.”
  — Joe Getty (42:10)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [03:17] Social Media Addiction Trial: Zuckerberg, Meta, Google in the dock
• [06:14 & 07:09] Corporate indifference, internal emails, and growth-at-all-costs
• [11:40–14:15] Comparisons to addiction; infinite scroll; dopamine “binging”
• [18:11–22:23] Sweden’s gang violence, immigrant integration, and cultural consequences
• [25:50–34:44] Olympics: Eileen Gu/US vs. China; Russian coaching and youth sports angst
• [39:48–44:46] Supreme Court politics and "passing the baton"

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Tone & Style

The conversation embodies Armstrong & Getty’s signature blend of humor, skepticism, and pointed cultural criticism. Their tone oscillates between irreverent, self-deprecating, and exasperated—balanced with moments of earnest concern about society and public policy.

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Closing Thoughts

This episode delivers incisive commentary on the technological, cultural, and political stories shaping the news, threading together disparate issues with the hosts’ unique blend of skepticism, humor, and concern for the fabric of civil society. Their advice? Be wary of Big Tech, think critically about youth sports and media narratives, and question both the motives and the wisdom of long-serving public officials.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Bobsledding, the skeleton, skeleton, the luge. But what we must all admit is that most of the Olympics is just one sport.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

So Mark Zuckerberg's about to take the stand in the social media addiction trial. It's going to be pretty interesting. I find this trial fascinating on a bunch of different levels and I'm a little worried about what's going to come out of it. Not that I like Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook or Google. Snapchat and TikTok both settled out of court and they might be two of the worst offenders at all of the stuff that Google and Meta are being accused of.

[Joe Getty]

At least Meta's not like whoring for the communist Chinese.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

As far as I know.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Snapchat, at least it's not like Snapchat, which seems to be designed completely to hide bad activity from your parents and teachers. Seems like the whole plan of the.

[Joe Getty]

Thing to compel children to log on every day and do bad stuff. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

That can't be, you know, kept track of.

[Joe Getty]

That's their business model. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which is horrifying. So a couple of things around this. We talked about this. Earn hour one. If you want a more detailed rundown of the court case, it's pretty damned interesting. You can get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand. It's all about this girl, Kaylee. She was a girl at time, starting at age six looking at YouTube videos. Then by nine, she was really into Instagram. Hold on, I'm about to sneeze.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, coronavirus. It's back.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it's a measles.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, there you go.

[Jack Armstrong]

So this is the way the whole court system works. You have to have a particular person with standing who sues and then develop laws out of that. This doesn't seem like the best test case to me because why the heck this mom was letting her six year old stare endlessly at YouTube and then blaming YouTube for the kid spending too much time looking at YouTube. I don't, I don't quite get that. Which is what Zuckerberg's lawyers are going to argue, and Google's arguing lawyers are going to argue. But they do have some statistics that they had internally. Should they be on the hook for this? For instance, the 13.5% statistic, which is going to be a big portion of the trial. One of the most damning leaked internal studies from. I think this one was from Meta. Yeah. Because it's. Instagram noted that 13.5% of teen girls said Instagram make thoughts of suicide worse. And 17% said it made eating disorders worse. If looking at lots of pictures of other people having a good time makes you suicidal, is that Instagram's fault? If looking at really pretty people make you feel like you're fat, is that Instagram's fault?

[Joe Getty]

Absolutely not. No, no. As I said, and I stand ready to be talked out of this stance, people need to know that these companies are evil. They not only do not have your well being in mind, they couldn't give a crap. And if they find out their platforms are doing terrible, terrible damage, they will continue doing what they're doing because all I care about is the almighty buck. They are ev. They are bad for you.

[Jack Armstrong]

You've got these internal texts and emails from people at Instagram. One person saying, oh my gosh, y', all, IG is a drug. Lol. I mean, all social media, we're basically pushers. That just seems like a flippant comment to me. But you know, how, how it'll land in the trial, I don't know. This one's more damaging. In 2016, an email from Zuckerberg himself regarding the launch of Facebook Live showed a focus on keeping parents out of the loop. Quote, if we tell teens parents about their live videos, that will probably ruin the product from the start. We'll need to be very good about not notifying parents, teachers.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lawyers argue this proves a growth at all cost mindset that prioritize teen engagement over parental oversight.

[Joe Getty]

You shouldn't tell your mommy and daddy what we're doing here today. They wouldn't understand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is that a crime? Makes. It's a bad. It makes you. It's a, you know, it's a bad look, it's a bad thing to do. Well, it's a crime. I don't know if you're not allowed to do that.

[Joe Getty]

Right. There's just so much plausible deniability about every single one of these claims, which is why I don't want it tried in the court of court. I want it, you know, tried in the court of what's good for me and what's bad for me. And you know, it's interesting, it occurs to me and this is a theme we used to talk about a fair amount. It's now gone so far I don't think people notice anymore. We have gone from a society in which the authorities were involved only on rare occasions when they had to be to a society where everybody expects the quote unquote authorities to run everything all the time, to adjudicate every dispute, to settle every fight, to protect us from every conceivable ill. I remember we used to talk about people were beginning to think if it's not illegal, it must be good.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lawsuit SEEKS TO HOLD SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES FOR MENTAL HEALTH OF TEEN so there are tens, maybe hundreds of millions, maybe billions of dollars at stake. So Zuckerberg and Google's lawyers are going to fight back really hard, including going after this moment as being a bad parent. That's one of the strategies and for good reason because you got the whole little kid was looking at YouTube videos for for nine hours. Is that Zuckerberg's fault or at age Google's fault or nine or whatever age she was. And then the high mark was 16 point 16 and a half hours the kid said was looking at YouTube videos when, when she was 16 I think your kids alone with the computer or whatever for 16 and a half hours, I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

So when Judy was pregnant with our first kid, Kate I got crazy into studying neurological development in prenatal and little kids, infants, toddlers, et cetera which led to an interest and just a layman's interest in neurological development throughout your life, including the fact that especially males the I are not center of your brain really doesn't form up and get finished until varies age 23 to 29 and the sweet spots, you know probably 24 to 27 for most males which is why soldiers are generally in their late teens, early 20s. When the study comes out that shows how this stuff ruins people's brains when they're young, when they're kids. Will anybody even hear those studies or pay attention to them?

[Jack Armstrong]

How about ruins people's brains when they're.

[Joe Getty]

50 imagine what it does to an 11 year old.

[Jack Armstrong]

I got my first smartphone when I was 46 and I ruined my brain. This is the most interesting thing out of it. Mentioned this earlier. Bring it up again for discussion internal notes and this is the idea that things like the infinite scroll like you can just keep scrolling through stuff without end autoplay variable rewards like likes and notifications are being engineered like digital casinos to, you know, give us dopamine hits in our brain. I don't see how the Infinite scroll can possibly be against the law or wrong. It's just making your product available. But anyway, one employee noted in an internal note that, quote, people are binging on Instagram so much they can't feel the reward anymore. Suggesting that users were becoming desensitized but remained unable to stop. They go on to include that normal things. And I had never heard or thought about this one before, and I've thought about this a lot, but this one I'd never thought about before. That I'm not getting the normal dopam hit from normal stuff anymore.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

I never thought about that before. If that's true, that's horrifying.

[Joe Getty]

It is horrifying and might be that legal hook. I've been saying there isn't. But not only that. How much like alcoholism or drug addiction is that? I don't care about anything but drinking anymore. All I think about is getting my next drink. I don't. I don't feel my wife's love. My kids birthday party doesn't delight me. I'm just thinking about drinking.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know that I can point to this as being true for me. I don't know. Maybe you wouldn't know. But I don't, I don't feel like I enjoy babies, laughs, sunsets. I don't know. What else do you like? Sex? Whatever. Whatever else trips your trigger. I don't watch sports. I don't know that if I'm getting any less enjoyment out of any of those things that I ever did before. I do. Obviously we all know we get a dopamine hit from dings on our phone or this or that, or a new video showed up. This one's got to be better. I've just watched 100 in a row that were meth. But this one's gonna be great. We all, we all know that feeling. But I don't know if it's ruined other stuff for me.

[Joe Getty]

I think it has to some extent because I don't have the patience. Dopamine hits used to come at, you know, intervals of whatever it was three an hour, I don't know, or three a day. Now it's. It's three every min.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think I.

[Joe Getty]

And if you don't have that, you freak out.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think I'm addicted to the dopamine hit. I don't know that I got dopamine hits from reading literature. That's the example that I always use. It's hard for me to pick up a long form book and read it. I have to really make myself do it and get in the groove. I don't know if I ever got dopamine hits from it, but I enjoyed it. I don't think I got the pleasure bursts, but it's harder to enjoy now because of what you said, the pace. I just am what I'm going to. I'm just going to take in something that's like deeply meaningful and enjoyment on a deeper level with none of the little spikes.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And you find yourself wanting to reach for your phone.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely. I do this at least once a day. Probably where I sit down, think, okay, I'm gonna get in a little reading. Just check my phone real quick. Almost never end up reading. Horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hate that about myself. I really hate it more for my kids. I'm in the. I'm in the winter of my life. My life's over. I got, I got no use for this.

[Joe Getty]

Nature wants you out of the way. It's clear. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And when my kids aren't out of the house yet, but very soon nature will have no use for me.

[Joe Getty]

Clock's ticking.

[Jack Armstrong]

In short, but for them, the fact that they can get no enjoyment out of like deeper satisfaction stuff really bothers me. I don't know. It'll be interesting to see how this, what's. What's. What could come out of this that would have any effect on anything other than outlawing them.

[Joe Getty]

A greater awareness of how evil these companies are. That's. That's the best we can hope for. Sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it is the best.

[Joe Getty]

No dopamine hit from me.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think you see, we're not gonna, we're not gonna tell Instagram you can't have Infinite Scroll. You can give people 10 videos, but then you gotta stop.

[Joe Getty]

No, we're not Europe. We don't wanna be that.

[Jack Armstrong]

And there needs to be at least a two hour break before they're allowed to come back on the platform and scroll the next 10 videos.

[Joe Getty]

Who want.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on. Might be good for us, but gotta.

[Joe Getty]

Be self imposed, folks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Any thoughts on this? It's interesting. There are 2,000 cases at least that they think are hinging on how this turns out. Text line is 415295KFTC.

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Good sport. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Coming up, speaking of the Olympics, we have a candidate for who to hate at the Olympics. Maybe more loathsome than Eileen Guy, the American girl who's ski. Who's skiing for the Communist Chinese traitor. Who do you hate the most? Stay with us. First, though, this is a shocking story from the folks at the Free Press. I remember back a number of years ago when people were talking about how socialism works. Look at the Scandinavian countries. Nobody wants to talk about culture. I. We would make the point that these are monochromatic, homogenous countries. They're all like the same ethnicity, the same religion. They see the world the same. They have similar world philosophies. Everybody knows everybody's cousin. And so getting people to adhere to a set of norms is much, much easier than a big, giant, diverse country. It won't work in a country like ours. Well, Sweden has imported a ton of immigrants. Like a lot of Europe, they've just flown here, there and everywhere, and they're having some serious problems. We'll start with 65.

[News Reporter]

Last year, Sweden saw almost 200 bombings, more than any other country in Europe. But it's not because of terrorism. It's because of the country's immigrant crime wave. Swedish police recorded 189 explosive attacks in 2025, up 39% in just one year and more than double the number seen seven years ago. January 2025 alone saw around 30 blasts, which is basically one explosion every day. And even their prime minister was forced to admit that the state had lost control of organized crime. Violence.

[Jack Armstrong]

An explosion a day in a country that size.

[Joe Getty]

Right. That's the weapon of choice of the gangs now, apparently. Let's hear more.

[News Reporter]

So what's going on? According to former Swedish police commissioner Anders Thornberg, there is no international equivalent to Sweden's wave of bomb attacks. These aren't terror incidents. They're targeted attacks in residential neighborhoods carried out as part of gang feuds. Before 2017, Sweden didn't even track bombings as a proper criminal category because it simply wasn't a thing. Crime got so bad that in 2019, Denmark imposed border checks on Sweden for the first time since the 1950s because of spillover fears from gang violence from.

[Joe Getty]

A statistic they didn't even keep in 2017 to one a day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sweden has 10 million people. That's it. They have 30 bombings a month.

[Joe Getty]

Let's hear more.

[News Reporter]

And here's the uncomfortable part that Swedish leaders themselves now acknowledge. This crisis is tightly linked to immigration and failed integration. Sweden's foreign born population has doubled in just two decades. And both Conserv and Social Democratic governments now openly say segregation created what they call parallel societies living in different realities. Crime data shows people born abroad or born in Sweden to two foreign parents are massively overrepresented among suspects in serious violent crime in Stockholm. One investigation found 41% of gang criminals were foreign born and 82% had two foreign born parents, many from countries like Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq and across North Africa and the Middle East. And gangs are to exploiting the unemployment and social exclusion concentrated in those same communities.

[Jack Armstrong]

Shocking.

[Joe Getty]

One more clip.

[News Reporter]

Police chief Petra Lunn says gangs are now recruiting kids as young as 12 through apps like Telegram, hiring them for bombings and murders as if they're gig jobs often directed by gang leaders operating safely from abroad. Some of the groups have become so powerful that even the US treasury sanctioned them, warning that they routinely use teenagers for attacks and operate across Europe. Sweden built a generous open society, but it took in more people than it could realistically integrate. And gangs filled the gap. Now the whole country is living with the consequences.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't understand why people don't aren't able to predict the results of these things.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, how true. Well, I don't want to be a racist. They would say it's just a blind spot humanity has. I don't. I don't know what to do about it except to keep saying what we're saying. Culture matters. It matters more than almost anything. We have a culture. Western culture. AOC used air quotes Western culture the other day. Of course she's a stupid communist to quote. Was it Charles C.W. cook or whoever was. Yeah. Anyway, who to hate at the Olympics Coming up there plenty of hate.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

What are the chicks we're supposed to root for tonight called the Ice Babes or Ice Blades or the Babe. What's the name?

[Joe Getty]

I will. I will not call them anything but their names because I'm not an idiot.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, Katie, they're the Blade. Not telling you. Blade Babes or forget it.

[Joe Getty]

No, we're not helping you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ever since Ilion fell on his head, they got to get a new thing going. And I got these three cute skaters that are trying to get going.

[Joe Getty]

Here's the thing for you. She is beautiful. She's betrayed her country and she loves dem commie dollars. It's Eileen Goo.

[Hunter Woodhull]

It kind of rubbed off, but I.

[Tara Davis Woodhull]

Wrote same team on my finger and it's talking to myself. I think I'm a very cerebral person, which is in a lot of ways is a good thing. But also sometimes I get in my own head. Like I think about every possible outcome and maybe 9 out of 10 outcomes are not the positive one. So I was really just trying to focus on self belief today and just dare to try. So I just tried to carry that with me.

[Joe Getty]

The Uyghurs should dare to try to escape the concentration camps.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, there's a lot to not like there if you're a small petty person like myself in that she is super crazy smart. Like her SAT scores were in the top, top 01% of all in America. She's beautiful as a model. See her eight figure contract with various modeling agencies. She's the best skier of her sort in the history of the sport. She is also competing for the Communist.

[Joe Getty]

Party though, because she got a better offer. Yeah. With a reported income of $23 million last year, Goo is the fourth highest paid woman in sports, highest paid Olympian at this year's Games, et cetera. And this great piece by Mike Pesca is entitled why is everyone so nice to Eileen Goo?

[Jack Armstrong]

No kidding.

[Joe Getty]

And he goes through just the. The, the laundry list of the media who absolutely refuse to say anything critical. In fact, he writes outside of circles portrayed as jingoistic knuckle draggers. Goo faces barely faces even the this breeze of criticism. In a recent New York Times profile. The only condemnations quoted came from the mouths of those who, you know, are not really respected by the paper's readers. Right wing commentator Tucker Carlson, then at Fox News, described her choice to compete for China's dumb, while the channel's co host, Will Kane said she was ungrateful and had betrayed America. Reported the Times.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tucker's right about that. It is dumb. It's amazing. She's as smart as she is and obviously as business savvy as she is. And she competes for the Chinese party, although business savvy might pay a role in it. What did you say that they reportedly are paying her? That's a lot of money.

[Joe Getty]

Well, all told, she made $23 million.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, but there are some reports that she's getting like $6 million from the Chinese alone.

[Joe Getty]

Glowing profiles of goo in the American press are often indistinguishable from the coverage of GOO in official state sponsored Chinese media. Wow. Yeah, yeah, it's unbelievable. And she's plenty smart enough and educated enough to know exactly why what she's doing is loathsome. But she went for the money and went with the oppressive, totalitarian, torturing, genocide conducting, old freedom fighter jailing Jimmy Lai Chinese communist government.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's pretty young, but is she old enough that if she had been born in China, the country she's representing, she would have been aborted? Likely, since they weren't allowing many girls to be born at that time.

[Joe Getty]

All right, yeah, probably so, yeah, I'd like to get more into this, but his point is that charisma and good looks cannot fully explain the almost complete absence of a sense of betrayal or disloyalty in the American media's extensive coverage of goo. The skiing star's decision to compete for America's most important geopolitical rival has been almost completely frictionless, bringing in its wake only great celebration and renumeration.

[Jack Armstrong]

And not only are they our biggest rival rival, they're an evil country. It's an evil government.

[Joe Getty]

I think what this is a measure of is how enthusiastic our media quote unquote elite are about xenophilia. Anything that's foreign must be good and it would be ugly as an American to criticize it. The only thing I'm willing to criticize is America, and I do that all the time. So to suggest that this young woman would have been better off competing for her own country, that sounds like a knuckle dragger like Tucker Carlson, so I won't say it. People are stupid as they are evil anyway. Got a rival though. A rival candidate for your hatred happens to be another woman. She is ettery. Probably mispronouncing that toot Bridza Russian figure skating Coach banned from the Games in an official basis, but is still there coaching a mysterious Russian teenage figure skater who got one of the few neutral country slots that they're letting Russians compete in. And, and this, nobody knew who this woman is. This young woman is. But there's Toot Baritz at her practices and stuff because she's, she's barred from being there at the ice during the competition, but she's practiced with her. So she's, she's coaching a Russian girl as the, the horrifying war in Ukraine goes on. That's bad. And she's just an evil looking. But Tutberitsa coached three successive Russian teenagers to Olympic gold medals in 2014, 2018 and 2022, and churned through far more from her rink in Moscow, she's become so famous, she was recently the subject of a streaming docu series called the Tutberitza Method. That method pits trainees against each other as they keep training through unrelenting criticism, strict scrutiny of their weight and brutal injuries. This one gal said on camera after she won that she was practically missing a leg. Tutoritz became widely known outside Russia in the world of figure skating when her prize student, you'll never remember name, was engulfed in a doping saga during the Beijing Games. After Tutberitza berated the crying 15 year old and her other pupils took gold and silver, but still sobbed. I hate this sport, one declared. The IOC president said she was very, very disturbed by figure sk. Horrifying night of tears straight out of the Soviet Union. I give you Eberi Tutoritza a tiri rather.

[Jack Armstrong]

You remember our friend Tim hates the Olympics.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

And he hates the Olympics because this, this stuff with these totalitarian countries gets, you know, whitewashed, overlooked, just not talked about at all and always has. And it is, it is kind of weird.

[Joe Getty]

You have these little kids snatched away from their families as toddlers and then compelled to compete for the glory of the fatherland until it ruins them. Then they're just thrown away like garbage. That's what this woman does. She did it for the Soviets and now for the Russians.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And you don't get to make all the millions out of being a star if you do end up a star anyway. But most likely you're not going to end up a star. And you just, you know, got a broken body and you didn't get a regular education and now you're in a factory with an interesting story to tell workers at lunchtime.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Competed in the Olympics 15 years ago. There was a woman the other day, I've got the notes in my phone. It's not this story, but it's adjacent in that she is a professional tennis player who retired. She never got above, like, 120th in the world or something like that. Although that is, you know, obviously, incredibly, incredibly good to be the 120th tennis player in the world. But at the end of it, she said, I wasted my life. I wish I hadn't spent every hour of my childhood playing tennis and getting up early and going to all those tournaments and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I wish I had lived a regular life like other people. I hate all of this. I wish I hadn't done it. That was her. That was what she decided at the end of it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting. I'm surprised more people don't say that. Maybe they don't say it because they don't feel it. If you get at the end of that road and think, I'm glad I spent all that time on mono, focused on one thing and enjoyed every bit of it, that's fine.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I've unleashed my screed about the professionalization of youth sports enough. But, yeah, that's what it's all about.

[Jack Armstrong]

I remember even. Did you ever read. You probably didn't. Andre Agassi's book, Famous Tennis Player? No, I only read the first chapter.

[Joe Getty]

I saw a bunch of interviews with it. I remember when it came out, I.

[Jack Armstrong]

Learned the first chapter is pretty interesting. And he was the number one tennis player in the world for quite a while and became ungodly wealthy. But he had a lot of resentment about how many hours of his entire life, especially his childhood, was spent, you know, in the dark, driving to a tennis facility to be the best tennis player there was, you know, and the kids don't do that on their own. It's a parental decision, so I don't know. That's a tough one.

[Tara Davis Woodhull]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's one I didn't have to make because neither one of my kids are focused like that on anything. So I thought it was interesting that that woman came out and said that. You just don't hear that very often. I wish I hadn't done this. I wasted my childhood. What was I. What were my parents thinking? Maybe she's just better at her parents. Who knows?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I don't know that many people, but I know two whose kids were gifted athletes, got the scholarship, and after a year or two of competing, said, this sucks. I'm not doing this anymore. They got the vaunted. They say she could get a scholarship.

[Hunter Woodhull]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

And just thought this is miserable. I want to be a college student. Right? Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a touch their own. Yeah, absolutely. We'll finish strong. Next Armstrong and Getty Support for the.

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[Tara Davis Woodhull]

This is US Olympic gold medalist Tara.

[Hunter Woodhull]

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[Jack Armstrong]

You know who is not one of my guests tonight?

[Joe Getty]

That's Texas State Representative James Talarico. He was supposed to be here, but we were told in no uncertain terms by our network's lawyers who called us directly that we could not have him on the broadcast.

[Jack Armstrong]

Then I was told in some uncertain.

[Joe Getty]

Terms that not only could I not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have him on, I could not mention.

[Joe Getty]

Me not having him on. And because my network clearly doesn't want us to talk about this. Let's talk about this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Uh, he goes on to say he can't believe that Paramount are such cowards. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This spiel from Stephen Colbert, it only works if you believe there's a good guys and a bad A clearly good guys and bad guys, which he does.

[Tara Davis Woodhull]

So.

[Jack Armstrong]

It'S awful that he wouldn't get to have on this Texas Democrat who was going to blast Trump in the, you know, very overtopped ways and the crowd would cheer like crazy. And then the network thinks, yeah, we're not into trying to turn off half our audience, all right, we're trying to sell soap or whatever. But he thinks there's a good guys and a bad guys, and that your job as the network or the company is to be part of the resistance.

[Joe Getty]

Well, right. He absolutely thinks that. It's interesting that the lawyers call. I have a feeling it has to do with the fact that the guy's engaged in a primary right now or something and it's an equal time deal. But, yeah, I don't know. Talarico is a weirdo. I've been reading about him. I haven't brought it up because he's not going to go anywhere. He's just another alleged hot shot handsome Texan would be Beto o'. Rourke.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's a burbling story that may be nothing, but maybe a lot. Will there be a Supreme Court opening here soon and Trump will get to appoint yet another person to the Supreme Court, you know, further stamping his brand of judicial philosophy on that court for many years to come? Yes, there's a couple reasons for and against. The reason for is decent chance Republicans are going to lose the Senate and he would not be able to get through the kind of justice that Republicans want on the court.

[Joe Getty]

So is he going to kill somebody?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, somebody I'd have to retire. Okay. But that has happened, that has happened a couple of times where people think, you know what, I was going to step down, I was going to hang on for another two years, but let me step down now so they can replace me with a younger me and my philosophy can continue in this seat. Right, yeah, sometimes people do that.

[Joe Getty]

RBG famously did not.

[Jack Armstrong]

By the way, none of them in good fortune her. None of the past four, two term presidents have had the Senate in their final two years. Not Clinton, not Obama, not Reagan, not Bush have had the Senate in their final two years. So that's not when they were going to get a Supreme Court justice through. So if you're going to do it, you better do it now. The argument that this will not happen is that no one wants to leave and they're all relatively young and healthy. The average age for leaving has been almost 80 over the past half century. And the oldest justice right now is 77, Clarence Thomas. So he's three years short of the average age for people who retire. By the way, Clarence Thomas is now the second longest serving justice in history.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And in a year and a half, he'll be the longest serving justice in history.

[Joe Getty]

Obviously, as a staunch conservative, he's the perfect guy for the scenario you described. But I can easily picture old Clarence saying, yeah, no, I don't think they should either.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't, I don't like that. I mean, I suppose you could make it all right, or if you care very much, if you care about the philosophy, you should do it. But I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I think if you don't care about America, you have your opinion, I think that's fair.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you don't how long you're gonna live. I mean, you stepped down at 77, you might have eight more years than.

[Joe Getty]

You easily pass the baton, you selfish bastard.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what I. Selfish elderly bastard.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. Yeah. And I'm not talking about Clarence Thomas. I have enormous respect for him. But that's an interesting question. I mean, if, if, if the percentages would say it's most likely that the, the White House switches hands again. But the problem, you get some freaking KJB clone.

[Jack Armstrong]

The problem with your theory is what's the younger bj?

[Joe Getty]

Kbj, Sorry, I can never keep it straight. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

What's the younger limit on that? Eventually there wouldn't be one. Whoever is president, there'd be tremendous pressure on anybody over the age of 45 to step down. So you can get a 28 year old on there, it's like bananas.

[Joe Getty]

You take a look, you think that's past its prime right there. Yeah. Give it a little squeeze or something like an avocado.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think with your philosophy in, in, in one Republican term and one democratic term, we have nine people in their early 20s that are supreme Court justices.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, don't be ridiculous. Once you pass 75, I got my eye on you.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is something for president and judges that in no other realm of life do we turn to an 80 year old for advice.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Although the, the oldest folks on the court are way better to me than, and it's not just ideology than KBJ Brown. Jackson. Right. Not Jackson, Brown. That's how I remember it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Running on. Running on empty.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Not that she's terrible, just terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

So she talks a lot. Chatterbox.

[Joe Getty]

It ain't about age.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's an idiot.

[Joe Getty]

Guy in the office dominates every meeting. Oh, come on, boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

You want a good partisan battle? Have Clarence Thomas decide to retire and go, you know, chase skirts or whatever he's gonna do. And what, what, where did that come from? And all of a sudden the, there's a, there's an opening and Trump gets to appoint someone. That'll be a good one.

[Joe Getty]

Way to echo the TR probes of the high tech media lynching of yesteryear. Good Lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

I am shocked and disappointed. Let's get a final thought from everybody.

[Jack Armstrong]

Disappointed?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. Let's start with Michelangelo in the control room. Michael. Yeah. Tomorrow, guys, I'm gonna bring you the colors that mean danger. For example, if you see a orange glow in the distance, it means fire. So be prepared.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you see it in a tree area. In a fire area. Oh, no. Gotta help us.

[Joe Getty]

Katie Green, our Katie Green, our esteemed newswoman has a final thought. Katie, we gotta stop talking about food.

[Tara Davis Woodhull]

Every time we talk about food, I.

[Jack Armstrong]

Crave it for the rest of the day. And now all I want is a big bag of chips. So thank you so much. You said you went to McDonald's the other day. How was it? I did.

[Joe Getty]

It did not disappoint.

[Jack Armstrong]

It never does.

[Joe Getty]

I'm gonna jump the queue. My final thought is, as a kid, I didn't like potato chips. I kind of like barbecued potato chips. I did not like potato chips. Wow. As an adult, I could eat them all day long. It's ridiculous. Anyway. Jack, final thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

Never heard of a kid who doesn't like potato chips. I know.

[Joe Getty]

I just thought they were kind of plain and I didn't like the consistency and that is it.

[News Reporter]

What?

[Joe Getty]

I'd have rather had other things.

[Jack Armstrong]

Seems like it ought to be the name of an after school special. The Boy who Didn't Like Potato Chips.

[Joe Getty]

I enjoyed a creamy brie and a prosciutto. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

A mile debris the mildest of breeze. But not a potato chip.

[Joe Getty]

No indeed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

[Joe Getty]

So many people will thank so little time. Go To Armstrong and getty.com for the hot links for Katie's Corner. Drop us a Note [e-mail] you can download the podcast through the website or get it wherever podcasts are distributed. Give us a nice five star review. It helps with the algorithms and and it will probably knock some obnoxious progressive off of the totem pole in our favor. Help us out. Give us a five star review.

[Jack Armstrong]

Groovy. Man. Will we be at war with Iran by the time we come back on the air tomorrow? I don't know. Nobody's paying attention to that story anyway. Jack, you got to shut up. We'll see you tomorrow. God bless America. We're facing a war with Iran. Price food is hurting us and they.

[Hunter Woodhull]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Our world is cracked. But don't crash out.

[Tara Davis Woodhull]

Jack and Joe are here to help.

[Joe Getty]

You sort it out.

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