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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
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Joe
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Pressure is coming down.
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Joe
This is Trainer prime video starting January 8th.
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.
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Jack Armstrong
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Armstrong and Getty.
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Joe
And now here's Armstrong, Armstrong and Giddy.
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Jack Armstrong
There were cameras all over my husband when he was murdered. There have been cameras all over my friends and family mourning. There have been cameras all over me, analyzing my every move, analyzing my every smile, my every tear. We deserve to have cameras in there.
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Joe
Oh boy, that's a wife of Charlie Kirk. That has got to be quite the Lifestyle, your husband's dead and you got two little kids to raise is a lot to deal with without anything else.
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Yeah. Being at the center of a media, social media Internet hoax, conspiracy circus. Good Lord. Nobody should have to endure that. Just crazy. But what she was referring to, obviously, is the question of cameras in the courtroom, which is one of the matters being wrestled with in some of the preliminary hearings for the young man who's accused of murdering Charlie Kirk in cold blood in Utah.
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Well, who I saw smiling in the courtroom yesterday. What are you smiling about, you scumbag?
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To discuss that and other matters, how nice it is to welcome back Larry Goodman, retired judge for the Superior Court in Alameda county in California, and also Katie's dad. Hello, Judge LARRY how are you, sir?
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Judge Larry Goodman
I'm doing well. How about you?
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Joe
Pretty good. Let's start there, though. Like, some scumbag murderer gets let in there, and obviously they're innocent until proven guilty. This guy's guilty and they're smiling. Does that have any effect on the judge or the jury or anything like that? It would certainly have an effect on me emotionally. What are you smiling about?
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Judge Larry Goodman
Well, that's one of the reasons you don't want cameras in the courtroom. I mean, it's already created an issue. And then you have to now ask all the potential jurors, did you see this defendant smirking in the courtroom before the trial started? It's just a bad idea. I kind of get the widow's position as she wants him to be scrutinized the same way she is. But it's. It never ends well when you have a camera in the courtroom.
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Joe
Right. And I want to drill down on that a little bit more, but not in the. Well, kind of in this guy's defense. And, you know, may God forgive me for defending this guy at all, having been a court watcher for a while when I had more time, especially the hearings go on for hours and hours and hours for days and days and days. And occasionally somebody says something funny and the defendant smiles or laughs. And if the jury, the in the jury pool sees that and reacts the way Jack did, that's probably not good for the justice system.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Well, it's not for the. It makes this case is Jonathan Turley said yesterday, this case has so much evidence that it shouldn't be difficult to get a conviction unless something goes wrong. And the. Unless something goes wrong certainly leads into having a camera there and letting him play you a camera. And maybe he doesn't. It's not so much about affecting the jury, but Maybe he's the kind of person that likes to smirk because he knows it's going to hurt the victim's family. Or maybe he wants to have the notoriety. And why give him the notoriety of having him be on television every day? It's just, and then something goes wrong in the courtroom. Everybody knows that. It becomes an appellate issue and the case either gets thrown out or gets reversed or you have to start again. It's just, it just doesn't make good sense.
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Joe
I get Joe's point about it's a long day, goes for days, weeks, months, all that sort of stuff. Man, if I'm falsely accused of murdering a guy, man, I, I don't know if I'd find anything funny ever for a very long time. So you said you've seen, you've seen, seen it. Go ahead.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Your false. Well, that assumes you're falsely accused. And I don't think that's necessarily the situation here.
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Joe
Right. Well, and he's a crazy person, which has got to do with him murdering somebody.
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Yeah, so that's, that's interesting. I think a lot of us who are old enough or watched various documentaries are aware of all the ways that the cameras in the courtroom perverted the OJ Simpson trial where just everybody was grandstanding and playing to the cameras and stuff like that. Have you ever presided over a case or been in a situation where there were cameras in the courtroom?
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Judge Larry Goodman
Larry, I never let cameras. I had cameras in the courtroom for a sentencing proceeding and maybe a post conviction motion, but I never let cameras in to the courtroom, pretrial hearings, or during the trial itself for that very reason that even the good lawyers that try as they might not to play to the cameras, they end up playing to the cameras in an opening statement that might be 20 minutes now becomes 40 minutes because they try to be too clever. It's like I said, I, I've never seen it work to the advantage of the justice system.
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Joe
Well, that's an interesting statement right there. You've never seen it work to the advantage of the justice system, which is the whole point of any of this.
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Right. Certainly I find it interesting that it's the judge's discretion. Why is that a better idea than a blanket policy? Or is it.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Well, because the judge is responsible for maintaining order in the courtroom. It's, that's kind of like the judge's little fiefdom. You're responsible for everything that happens there, and you're also responsible to ensure that due process is protected for both the defendant and the prosecution. And if your Determination is that having a camera there would interfere with that judicial proceeding in the due process. Then it's your right in your courtroom to say, no, you're not going to do it. They have forms. They submit it forever.
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Joe
Every trial.
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Judge Larry Goodman
I think I did that. We would get something from one of the local TV stations and they want to put a camera, and we just signed deny, and then we never heard. Nobody ever really thought about it after we denied it, but they always throw them out there just to see if they can get in.
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Joe
Wait, so Erica Kirk making the argument. I want this guy scrutinized. Everything he wears, every facial expression, every nod, the way people have been doing to me. And I get that. The problem is everybody else that didn't do anything wrong gets scrutinized the same way. Every single cop, witness, lawyer, everybody that's not guilty of anything gets scrutinized exactly the same way, which is not very fair.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Yeah, I mean, I would, I would caution, Erica, be careful what you wish for. You know, it could. It could take a case of your husband's murder and turn it into a circus and cause more pain than before the trial. It also may screw up the proceeding and the results might not be what everybody thinks they should be.
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Joe
Well, if you're of a certain age, your touchstone for every thing courtroom is always the OJ Case. But think of all the people whose lives were changed, who didn't do any. Katie Kalin didn't do anything wrong. But, I mean, he got.
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He became a half wit. Is not a crime.
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Yeah, exactly. He became a laughingstock of the country just because he knew a guy who committed a horrible crime because there were cameras in the courtroom. Otherwise we wouldn't. Wouldn't have known what he looked like or ever thought about him.
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Right.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Yeah. I mean, some people think. Would that. Would the outcome of O.J. simpson been the same if there hadn't been cameras?
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Joe
That's a good question. I'd love to run that through a parallel universe.
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Right. Larry Goodman's a retired superior court judge from California talking about the trial of the monstrous, confused young man who allegedly murdered Charlie Kirk and cameras in the courtroom and that sort of thing. Yeah, I. Yeah, I think somebody needs to sit Erica down. Just explain. No, this will make it much, much, much more difficult to convict this guy swiftly and justly and. And put him into the stripy hole forever.
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So.
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Joe Getty
Ha.
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Joe
So you, you said you've never seen it end. Well, do you have other, like, concrete examples of something, you know, somebody that was damaged or something that went wrong from a camera in a courtroom other.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Than OJ Just not personal experience, just from seeing it in other cases where there's always something happens and it's always the top headline on the evening news or in the next day in the paper. And it's the kind of thing that as a judge, when you're trying to protect a proceeding, you go like, oh, we didn't need to see that on the front page of the newspaper this morning. Or, oh, I didn't need to hear that when I sat down for dinner and listened to the local news station. And it just, it just creates issues that you just don't need to deal with and don't want to have to deal with.
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Joe
Yeah. And whether it's, you know, a person who's innocent of anything, like they're just, you know, a person involved in the trial or the defendant who's a scumbag murderer like that Luigi, who I think is a scumbag murderer. But the lead story, what was it Monday night, was smirking in the courtroom. I mean, that's not part of the system. You know, you're supposed to be found guilty or innocent based on smirks. Right. It was a lead story on the evening news because of cameras.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Exactly. And, you know, and there are defendants, and I did have some of those in my courtroom who are so vile that they want to inflict as much pain as they can. So they look at the victim's family, Merck and say things. And if that's on the camera and they do it pre trial, then you've got to deal with that during jury selection. Or if they do it during the trial because they know it's going to be on the camera, then you have to deal with it with a jury. If they were prejudiced because the guy turned around and, you know, blew a kiss at the victim's mother.
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Joe
Oh, my God.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Just all kind of stupid stuff that they do sometimes that you just don't need publicized.
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Joe
You know what, one more thought. You've. I've witnessed low double digit trials. You've witnessed hundreds and hundreds. But as a juror, you are, you are there for every single second of the admissible stuff. Not the, you know, they need to talk to the lawyers, to judge, whatever. And so you see the witness walk in, you see them sworn in, you see every single second of their testimony. And maybe they have a nervous laugh, for instance, and when they, you know, the little chuckle that a lot of people have. And. But you've seen the totality of the testimony. So the fact that they chuckled a little bit while saying something, you think, oh, that's just the way that guy communicates. No big deal. But if you isolate that to a clip on the news, it looks weird and troubling and it leads to all sorts of stupid blanking. Internet speculation. And Candace Owens next two hours of content. And so just I don't know, any comment? Larry, you're on the other side of the bench.
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Judge Larry Goodman
For me, when you see that, let's say you have somebody that has a little snicker or they have stutter and they can't talk like a normal person would when they're under stress, you can take that and you can tell the jury before they testify. Now, Mr. Smith has a speech impediment and he may find that it's not as clear as everybody else. You're not to infer anything by it. He's not being disrespectful, etc, etc, etc.
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Joe
That's pretty good.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Look at the news, all you're going to get is the snicker or the smirk.
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Joe
Right.
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Judge Larry Goodman
And they're not going to admonition on the news story.
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Joe
Right. All right, you've convinced us. Thank you. Judge Larry Goodman, Superior Court, always a pleasure. Always enlightening. Thanks so much for the time.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Thanks, Joe and Jack. You guys take care.
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Joe
Yeah.
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All right.
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I was already convinced but he reconvinced me or further perspective.
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You got some. I'm going to bring some.
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That was an evil chuckle there.
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I just thought that was like bad Santa. I just thought I'm going to bring such hate upon me. Oh, we have some breaking news around the Epstein story.
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You're the best. Yeah, there you go.
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No.
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No we don't. No we don't. This will be utterly insignificant. That is where my money is and I don't even know what it is.
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It's slightly more significant than seeing the picture of his bathroom that came out last week. But other stuff on the way too. Stay here.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty. Then the space hamster flew his hot air balloon all the way to the bottom of the ocean. Where did that story come from? Book Dream? Nope. It came from a conversation. Meet Miko Minnie plus the AI companion that co creates personalized story adventures with your child in real time. What color was the hamster's cape? And what did he pack for lunch? Unlock your child's imagination. Discover Miko Mini plus and the Magic of AI exclusively at Costco.
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Joe Getty
10 athletes will face the toughest job interview in fitness that will push past physical and mental breaking points. You are the fittest of the fit. Only one of you will leave here with an IFIT contract for $250,000.
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Joe
This is where mindset comes in.
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Joe Getty
Someone will be eliminated.
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Jack Armstrong
Pressure is coming down. This is Trainer Games.
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Joe
Watch it on prime video starting January 8th.
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Joe Getty
Ever wish you could try the Washington Post and see what all the talk is about? Right now you can with a one week pass for just $7. No commitment, no strings attached. Just $7 for one week of unlimited access to the Post. It's the perfect way to explore our award winning journalism and experience what subscribers already know. There's nothing else quite like it. So why not give us a try? Go to washingtonpost.com week and start your $7 one week pass today. That's washingtonpost.com week.
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Announcer
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe
A California woman recently gave birth in.
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A self driving Waymo taxi.
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Then to even things out, the Waymo ran over a pedestrian In San Francisco on Monday, a woman gave birth inside a Waymo self driving car. Both mother and baby are still circling the parking lot of a Joanne Fabrics.
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Those are both good jokes. I like them. Ran over a pedestrian to even things out.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Wow.
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Joe
It's funny how the they're not really safe or very good jokes are so popular at the same time that we're squeezed, screaming toward. They're going to take away our right to drive because they're better at it than us very soon.
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Right? Well. And according to Waymo statistics, they have 96% fewer accidents at intersections than humans do.
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There's your dumb breaking news story. So last week, breaking news, pictures came out of the Epstein something or other and it was a bunch of pictures of his estate that didn't mean a freaking thing. Although it was somewhat interesting to me to see his island and think, wow, it'd be crazy to have that lifestyle that's yours, the whole damned island, that little lagoon and the view and the beach and the trees and the house and the whole thing is yours. And the airstrip where you land, I mean, that's incredible. What a lifestyle. Wow, that would spin your head around. You know, if he's trying to get you to court you, to get you to go along with a business deal or whatever he's wanting to do, whatever, he's currying your favor. You land me at your island saying, knock yourself out, place is mine, have a good time. Everything's on the house. Wow, that'd make an impression on you. Anyway, House Democrats have released more photos from Jeffrey Epstein's estate, but this time featuring pictures of humans, including Trump, Bill Clinton and other prominent figures. So this will be. This will have tongues wagging all day long if there are pictures we haven't already seen before. And at least one of them looking here at here looks like a Trump Epstein picture I had never seen before. Still doesn't mean anything or prove it.
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So I'm sorry, are they from the island necessarily or just with Epstein?
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Just with Epstein.
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Oh, for gosh sakes, this is nothing.
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Pictures I've never seen before. So they will. No, no, it doesn't mean anything. Of course not. Walmart's removing synthetic dyes from its food. So the picture I just saw on the news when they said that was the meat case. Now I get it. Like they also showed some Christmas cookies. Okay, there's all kinds of coloring dyes in the frosting and stuff like that. And you're gonna get rid of them or substitute something else that gives you the color. But the meat case, we're gonna get gray meat. Are they, are they redden up our meat a little bit there at Walmart, you take that colors out of there and all of a sudden your shrimp and everything is gray. It'll be a little off putting.
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I remember hearing about that years and years ago, but I can't remember how commonplace it is.
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I feel like that was a big thing years ago. Also that this, particularly with seafood, they'd make it look more red because it turns gray very quickly.
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Yeah, well, and I remember that well. I, I know that Americans are so obsessed with the appearance of food. There are varieties of apples and pears and whatever else sell in the United States because their, their peels don't look perfect, they taste way better. But because they don't look like they're out of a food ad, Americans generally won't buy them as much. So, yeah, yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all that our, our stakes are getting tarted up.
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It's what you grow up with and you get used to, which is everything looking like it came off the COVID of a magazine. But like I've been in other countries where you go, you're going to the grocery store and like the produce particularly, it's like what this is what you're selling here, people buying this, it's got bruises and dents and off putting shapes. But yeah, it's fine. Yeah, just. We expect perfection.
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Oh, I was reminded, Jack, that yesterday, I believe it was you brought us a fabulous witticism about a cow with no legs. What do you call it? Ground beef. Bruce says Jack should have asked and said, what do you call a cow with two legs? The answer is lean beef. There you go.
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Which is better for you?
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Where do you find a cow with no legs exactly where you left it? I don't know.
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Trump with an executive order around. AI, that got a lot of attention yesterday in the afternoon. We can talk a little bit about that. Among other things.
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Joe Getty
Armstrong and Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
Then the space hamster flew his hot air balloon all the way to, to the bottom of the ocean. Where did that story come from? Book dream?
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Joe
Nope.
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Jack Armstrong
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- [23:27]
Joe Getty
10 athletes will face the toughest job interview in fitness that will push past physical and mental breaking points. You are the fittest of the fit. Only one of you will leave here with an IFIT contract for $250,000.
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Joe
This is where mindset comes in.
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Joe Getty
Someone will be eliminated.
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Jack Armstrong
Pressure is coming down. This is Trainer Games.
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Joe
Watch it on prime video starting January 8th.
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Joe Getty
Ever wish you could try the Washington Post and see what all the talk is about? Right now you can, with a one week pass for just $7. No commitment, no strings attached. Just $7 for one week of unlimited access to the Post. It's the perfect way to explore our award winning journalism and experience what subscribers already know. There's nothing else quite like it. So why not give us a try? Go to washingtonpost.com week and start your $7 one week pass today. That's washingtonpost.com week.
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe
Time magazine announced today that its Person of the Year are the, quote, individuals who imagined, designed and built AI. Just think, thanks to them, next year we won't need a Person of the Year.
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That's pretty interesting. Yeah. What if the Person of the year for 10 years running is AI chatbot Efron who cured lung cancer?
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I think we gotta shut it down at that point.
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So speaking of AI Trump with a big order yesterday to try to deregulate AI why this year alone, 2025, which is coming to a close, all 50 states and territories, even our territories, you too, Guam, all 50 states and territories introduced AI legislation. 38 states adopted about 100 laws. And because of that, Trump signed an executive order to neuter state AI laws, saying it's important for America to dominate AI Any state that does not overturn their laws or support the United States that this is in the quotes United States Global AI Dominance act putting dozens of AI safety and consumer protection laws at risk if states keep their laws in place that they already passed. Trump said he's going to direct regulators to withhold funds for broadband and other projects. That's the way the federal government forces you to do things. They withhold funds.
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Right. That, that what's you call it act.
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That you just referred to United States Global AI Dominance.
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What status is that at? Does it exist? Has it been written? Is it before Congress?
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More about to find out. No, it's not before Congress. It's a president thing. The order yesterday which has sparked broad bipartisan opposition lots of people both parties don't like it is likely to be challenged in court by states and consumer groups on the grounds that only Congress has the authority to override state laws. Legal experts said this is gonna be damned interesting though.
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Judge Larry Goodman
Oh.
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Joe
How much if, if, if we had done this around automobiles or the Internet at the very beginning or whatever else, how much would have it slowed down us being the global leader on those things?
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I think and I absolutely stand ready to be corrected on this. But, but I think this is a great example of you know the situation is people are very very worried about AI and they are looking to government to solve the problem which in some cases is appropriate. Often not but. And the representatives in the government are like I have no idea what to do so we'll just do this. Neither do they and they pass stuff that is half ridiculous. Well right.
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And is probably going to only handcuff us and actually accomplish nothing in terms of making you safer, your money safer, the Internet safer, however you want to look at it. So I follow a lot of conversations between doomers which I'm one of an acceleration lists who say we need to go full speed ahead to make sure we stay ahead of China and just because it's going to be so great for everybody. But one of the arguments of the accelerations is accelerationists is there there are no laws you can pass that make any sense. Certainly not yet. Nobody has any idea what we're even talking about yet.
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Right. Yeah. Well plus you can pass every law you want. I'm gonna ask my chat GPT. Hey how do I get around this law? Great question Joe. You're so curious. Here's how you get around it. Just route your thing through blankety blanket. You know it's all performative. I think I Think it is too.
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I think the broad bipartisan opposition is mostly, like you said, it's scared voters who have no idea what they're even scared of or any the slightest inkling. And nobody does. How you would regulate it.
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Right. Which is not to discount people's concern about AI. For what it's worth, I'm a doomer. Right, Right. Yeah. Well, okay. So, you know, it's funny. I just happened to read a piece by the brilliant Yuval Levin about why Republicans lose every argument about health care costs. And it's ironically convinced me that it's time to pull the plug on the American democratic experiment.
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Wow.
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The patient is dead.
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Wow. Gonna put a pillow over of democracy.
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Oh, no need to. No need to. It's. It's dead. It's just being supported by machines. I'm sorry to break the news to you, Mrs. America.
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Wow.
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Yeah. Yeah. You're. Your country is dead. We're a vegetable. Not really. Not really. Who knows? It twists and turns keep on coming.
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But he actually have stats on that. Percentages of people who think that we're like more or less over versus dying versus doing okay. I have stats on that coming up from a new poll.
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Yeah, I'll just hit you with a couple of sentences from that piece about healthcare, which is I was just reminded of confusing and frightening but very important political discussions that end up being really dumb is our theme. Yuval writes, this is where politics gum things up. Talking about, well, anyway, the fact is most of us don't actually want a lot of choice when it comes to healthcare. We just want to believe that everything is paid for. That creates an incentive to hide costs by routing most payments through insurers or government, which sustains the illusion that everything is free to the consumer. This has yielded a healthcare system without real prices, which is something we've talked about many times.
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That sentence in there. I realize that's true, but if people think stuff, anything you get is free, well then we just have a dumb populace.
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Correct.
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You can't get past that. That's the problem. How do you think anything could be.
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Free if I was going to be more charitable for once in my life? Yeah. Well, I would say the practically the entire political structure of our country at this point. Both parties have convinced people that what comes from the government is free and that they have a right to it.
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Or there are just enough billionaires to fund all of this if they pay their fair share.
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But anyway, so back to Levin's point that this sustains the illusion that everything is free to the consumer. This has yielded a healthcare system without real prices and therefore without enough pressure to restrain spending. In turn, that's led to ever rising costs paid for by ever rising subsidies. It's one of the main reasons we're so deep in debt. Anyway. He writes, for decades, this has meant that health policy proposals that make economic sense do not make political sense and vice versa. And so Democrats have responded to the problem by leaning into the political logic and proposing endless subsidies. And it is much more appealing to voters than saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, here are the problems with this model, here's why we need to reform it. It just, you can't get it through a democracy. Which I realize is incredibly discouraging. Sometimes realism is discouraging. But yeah, oof, oof, where do we go from here? We do need to get Craig, the healthcare guru on, in the, in the new year to talk about the status of things, I think, because it's, it's intimidating and confusing and depressing and discouraging. But it's something we all are involved in. It's not like hearing some sort of legislation about oil rigs in the Gulf of America. I mean, you think, yeah, I get oil. No, everybody's fundamentally involved in health care. So it's very, very important to us.
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I have like the majority Americans have health care through my employer. And once you get past the deductible, I'm pretty happy with it. Like, I picked up a whole bunch of prescriptions at the pharmacy the other day and the total was like $2.40 for like six things. I, I always say that's outrageous. And I get a laugh out of the hilarious pharmacist girl, but I'm always amazed by that. But here, in a couple of weeks It'll be January 1st and we all get to experience that whole, you go to the pharmacy or the first doctor appointment and you get hit with this insane bill. It's like, oh, that's right, my five thousand dollar deductible hasn't been met yet for the year. Right.
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And plenty of employers are out there saying, yeah, and I'm kicking in X amount every single month on your health care. That that prescription wasn't $2.40.
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It was $375, you idiot. Wake up.
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Slap, slap. Anyway, because nobody sees the prices. It's crazy.
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I get surprised every year when I go to pick up one prescription for my son and it's like $180. What, you haven't hit your deductible yet?
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And so here's a question. For you on air meeting. I'm going to phrase this in one of the, one of the ways I hate the most. Take the Joe Getty Challenge. Do you have the guts to take on these stories?
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Oh, my God.
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I know.
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How annoying is that? That was off putting.
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Yeah. So headline from the Free Press. The base is done with maga. It wants America first. She went to Marjorie Taylor Greene's district in Georgia and talked to lots and lots of voters, and they are over Donald J. Yeah.
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Well, did you read or maybe you were about to say that?
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Peggy Noonan.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Indeed. Trump may be losing his touch at the end of his 11th month. He's surrounded by mood shifts, challenges, and ominous signs.
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Well, particularly her talking about how Marjorie Taylor Greene may have signaled to everybody, you can challenge the king and survive. She's doing better for herself than she probably ever has. Got the 60 Minutes piece. She's getting lots of news coverage and all that sort of stuff. She hasn't been, you know, ruined.
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Oh, no, no. Yeah. Peggy refers to it as a jailbreak moment.
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Yeah. When everybody realizes, oh, my gosh, you can defy the warden.
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Right. Yeah, exactly. So why don't we get into that next hour and here's, you know, just in case that concerns you, we, I are here neither to lavish praise and lick the boots of Donald J. Trump, nor automatically run down everything he does.
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Was.
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It's, it's life is much more interesting if you just try to take in reality and understand what's happening. In my opinion, and I think his ship is headed for the shoals. I really do.
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Is that only a figure of speech or was there a point where you had to lick people's boots?
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It's got to have come from something that'd be.
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I'd hate to have to do that.
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Yeah. If you were ordered to lick my boots clean, I would say that's a bit of a statement of dominance. Wow. That is a bit of a humiliation. Yes. Wow, indeed. You was right. Wake up and smell the leather. Hey, here's some really great advice for you. No matter what you think, Donald J. Or Marjorie Taylor or anything else in the world, you don't want scumbag junkie.
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Got an update on that Michigan football coach. That's a heck of a story. Ooh, he had one of the best coaching jobs in the world. I mean, of any sport at any level.
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Yeah. And you know what I hadn't heard until this morning or late last night? Married, three kids.
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Yeah, I was just.
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He had an inappropriate relationship with a staffer. Oh, those stiff rules.
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But no, I was a dad and a dustbin.
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That's. That's out of bounds.
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Yeah, okay, but not. Yeah, okay, it got ugly. We can tell you all about that. I want to check in on that woman. She, a trans woman, gets cancer surgery, secretly records the doctor's story from the New York Times. That's an interesting one. Among other things. We got to get to coming up.
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Joe Getty
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Joe
Can I begin with, this story has no real point to me. I'm not trying to make a point of any kind because you might be, you know, like listening, trying to figure out what's the point. I'm not trying to make a point. I just find this interesting, this whole story about this trans woman who secretly recorded her cancer surgery. It's just interesting. She's filing a lawsuit against what the people said while she was under, which is, again, interesting.
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Every story has a point, whether you want it to or not. I'm not trying to make the nature of stories.
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I'm not trying to make a major point about trans or anything like that. So if you're waiting for that, it's, it's, it is unusual for patients to record their own surgeries, but not completely unheard of. I don't remember if we talked about this lawsuit back in 2013. Maybe we did. A man recorded audio secretly while he was sedated and sued during a colonoscopy because of anesthesiologist remarks. The doctor told other medical staff members that she found.
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Brace yourself. I have no idea what the next sentence is.
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Well, this gets to what Joe was talking about earlier. We all say things among friends or, you know, text friends or family members or whatever, things that are, you know, we wouldn't say out loud to anyone else. And in this case, you got anesthesiologists or doctors or whatever. They don't think the patient's listening. So the doctor told other medical staff members that she found the patient so annoying, she felt like punching him. She said a rash on the patient's genitals was probably penis Ebola. Wow.
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You don't want that.
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The. The patient who was awarded a half million dollars by a jury, said he had hit record on his phone because he wanted documentation of what the doctor said.
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Jack Armstrong
Why?
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Joe
He worried that the sedation would leave him too groggy to remember. What are you worried about?
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Yeah, wait a minute. That sounds like a cart before a horse. Or you weren't concerned, you were trying. You were hoping for something like this.
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Anyway, well, what they were claiming. And it's the same thing that this woman. I'm saying woman. This is what the New York Times is calling this person, even though they have a penis, that they were recording it. And I had this experience when I was doing cancer treatment. You're so drugged up, and they're telling me all these things you gotta do if I hadn't had somebody there with me some of the time to like, write it down. You're giving me all these instructions of what I can eat and how many pills to take, and I'm half out of my mind on pills.
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So true.
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And so that's why this person said they were recording the conversation. It might be true, but you did it secretly. You could like say, hey, I'm going to record you just so I don't forget this. As opposed to secretly hit your phone and then stash it when they put you under. That makes it sound to me like you're trying to catch them at something.
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Yeah, getting someone's consent is. And letting them know they're being recorded is just common decency.
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Jennifer Caspasso, a 42 year old transgender woman, figured she would gonna be dead in 18 months. She had been diagnosed with cancer and was gonna undergo some surgery. Uh, she decided to secretly record her surgeons. I'll skip all the other stuff. I wanted to know what's going on. She said knowledge is power. Okay, fine. The surgery moved. Part of her lung did not getting around to playing the recording until a few weeks later. Well, that makes me feel like you weren't that interested in what they said about your instructions. Though the audio was muffled, she could follow some of what the surgical team was saying before the procedure began. Again, this is a trans woman. That she has a penis in the story.
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It's a man. God, why. Why do you allow the New York Times to order you to pervert the.
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Language it makes it easier to follow the story. But anyway, someone was going out for coffee. Did anyone want something from Starbucks? That's one of the things that got recorded during this. The conversation just shift, then shifted, still has man parts. It seemed to miss Capasso that they were talking about her genitalia. Wow, you are Sherlock Holmes there. On the recording, the healthcare workers expressed a variety of opinions about transgender identity more generally. Not that it's not right, but one person can be heard saying, and another said, I don't get any of it. And in the middle of the conversation, one person suggested updating the medical file. Yeah, it needs to say mail on here. The person said. When Ms. Capasso woke up, she found out that her electronic medical records had been changed to M for mail. And now she's fighting to get it changed back and suing the hospital for misgendering her while she was asleep or whatever the hell. Obviously, I would think you gotta have male on there, since male bodies require different care and maybe doses of drugs.
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Or whatever, and react to drugs differently. There are a hundred or more differences in medical care between men and women. It's incredibly important.
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By the way, this particular woman had half dozen procedures to feminize her face, all the while undergoing cancer surgery. Her brow bridge, her brow ridge was sanded down. That sounds pleasant. Her orbital bone was shaved to give her eyes an upward tilt. Her square chin was softened. There were cheek implants and a change to her nose, too. I needed radical surgical intervention, she said. The clock was ticking. I didn't know how much longer I was going to be alive. I wasn't going to die looking the way I looked. I want to die leaving a pretty female corpse.
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This is a story about a mentally ill man. It's a shame.
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So I told you, I said, I don't really have a point other than I thought this was all interesting. Brow ridge sanded down, Orbital bone shaved to give your eyes an upward tilt. I can't believe doctors even do that.
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It's kind of the looking like a girl package. Yeah. Wow.
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You're right. They were referring to your genitalia. Very clever for you to catch on.
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Joe Getty
Armstrong and Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe
Nope.
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Joe
This is where mindset comes in.
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Joe Getty
Someone will be eliminated.
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Jack Armstrong
Pressure is coming down. This is Trainer Games.
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Joe
Watch it on prime video starting January 8th.
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Joe Getty
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