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Jack Armstrong
I'm going to say this out loud because it makes it more likely that I will accomplish it because I've got witnesses. So we're going to be off for a few days for Thanksgiving and I hope to get some reading done. Hope to get further along in Ulysses that I'm reading and a couple other things. But I'm going to go through my clothes and get rid of the stuff I don't wear. Instead of wrestling with the closet every day trying to get a shirt out because it's so squeezed in there by a bunch of clothes I may not have worn in 10 years, I'm going to go through my closet. Yeah, I've got to do it.
Joe Getty
Funny. I have a similar goal. Yeah. Whilst visiting with family members, my house is going to be jammed stem to stern with brothers and sisters and kids and my dad and all sorts. It should be fun. Very festive. Yeah. So got some good stuff coming up. Gender bending madness update. Although we don't really need the. It's, it's. This is entirely scientific and incredibly revealing. Plus the email. Joe Getty saved my life, which is very serious. But first, it's the Friday tradition. Let's take a fond look back at the week that was. It's cow Clips of the week. We got clip. Clips, clips.
Jack Armstrong
This is chess boxing. Like he's popping and locking.
Joe Getty
Linguists say the letter T is being.
Jack Armstrong
Dropped from words like kitten, mountain and interview. Well, it's cloudy in the mountains, it's sunny in the valley and my true love has gone. President Trump facing some backlash after accusing some Democrats of what he calls seditious behavior punishable by death. The words that the president chose are.
Joe Getty
Not the ones that I.
Jack Armstrong
You can refuse illegal orders.
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You must refuse illegal orders.
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It was just a friendly reminder. The bill demanding that the Justice Department release the Epstein files is now law. Dad. Dad.
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I was called a traitor by a.
Jack Armstrong
Man that I fought for five.
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No, actually six years for.
Joe Getty
Frankly, I don't Think anybody cared for about him?
Jack Armstrong
President Trump says he plans to sell F35 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia.
Joe Getty
Your voice sounds a little rough. Are you feeling all right? I feel great.
Jack Armstrong
I was shouting at people because they were stupid.
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Your loyal highness, the US intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal murder of.
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A journalist asking him a horrible insubordinate.
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And just a terrible question.
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I grabbed that hand. I don't give a hell where that hand's been. I grabbed that hand.
Jack Armstrong
Amid all this reports that US special envoy Steve Witkoff had hashed out a 28 point peace plan with his Russian counterpart.
Joe Getty
It is a flying ID. And so this ID.
Jack Armstrong
ID.
Joe Getty
ID. Improvis explosive device.
Jack Armstrong
They're cheap. You can 3D print them at home. You guys are effing hacks. I hope you go off the air.
Joe Getty
Soon because radio is dead and you suck. Wow.
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Jack Armstrong
A Trump thing definitely needs to be up there for a maybe quote of the year candidate. I think I feel fine. Just my voice is rough because I was yelling at people because they're stupid.
Joe Getty
Wow. I thought that reporters obligatory Khashoggi question was stupid.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
And just that whole thing is so overblown. But the president saying that's an insubordinate question. I would have responded. I'm not his subordinate and I'm not yours either. So how can I be insubordinate? Exactly. But the Department of Health and Human Services in May we talked about this at fair length, published a review of the academic literature focused on gender affirming care for minors and the conclusion was unequivocal that the overall quality of evidence concerning the effects of any information on psychological outcomes, quality of life, regret or long term health is very low. There is no good science substantiating good outcomes for taking these poor confused kids who are part of a social contagion mostly and altering their bodies forever. It's monstrous. Um, and on Wednesday the HHS published responses to the peer reviews of the report and there are a couple of minor corrections issued. But the report's major medical findings were not disproven. They were not even disputed in a substantive way. But what's really interesting, and this would take a long time to get into the details, some of the big medical associations which have been, and you need to know this, completely captured by the woke. Your American Academy of Pediatrics is completely wildly captured by way left progressives, Neo Marxists, as is the American Medical Association. Just shocking. And they came out with with studies or statements saying this is an ill founded report and it's based on, you know, poor science and blah, blah, blah. But they couldn't refute any of the science or any of the methodology. And like this one organization, who was it, I want to cast aspersions where they're due, said, yeah, you really should have consulted these. Where is that? I've got to find it. Sorry. One of the disputes was from, I think it was the ama. Ah, yeah, no, the American Psychiatric association suggested that the HHS report suffers from poor methodology and fails to clarify how the studies were selected for review. And the association concludes its peer review by listing 16 studies that ought to be considered in response. Oh, it's worth mentioning that they came out with their response like two hours after it was released, even though it was 400 plus pages long. They must be some damn speed readers over there. Or used AI. But anyway, so they said, plus, you should have looked at these 16 studies. In response, the HHS said, uh, 12 of the studies are in our report. So. What are you talking about? Of the four remaining three do not pertain in any way to gender related medicines outcomes in use. Well, the fourth unmentioned study was published after our report came out, so thanks for your input.
Jack Armstrong
My guess would be is that these organizations, they might have some true believers in there. Definitely. But I'll bet a lot of it was they just need to look like they're fighting to keep their, the crowd that supports them on their side.
Joe Getty
Yeah, and, and some of the responses, like this one unsolicited review published in Sexuality Research and Social Policy, and that's people who make all of their money unleashing sex change operations on people, suggests that the HHS report promotes a harmful practice known as exploratory therapy, which has been described elsewhere as a form of conversion therapy, encouraging a child or adolescent to accept the gender associated with their sex designated to them at birth. So these people think it is extremely appropriate, desirable to counsel a child. No, you're right, you're a boy, but you're really a girl. And somehow how loathsome to counsel a child. You're a boy and of course you're a boy.
Jack Armstrong
How perverse is that?
Joe Getty
Yeah, the one is a good idea, the other is sick.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, just absolutely abhorrent. We've all, we've all heard that for years now. How the conversion therapy with gay people is just. You're the worst kind of religious zealot, Middle Ages, horrible human being.
Joe Getty
Right, which is try. Why they use the same terminology, which I would agree.
Jack Armstrong
I don't think it's going to work most of the time if somebody's gay, to convince them they're not.
Joe Getty
But they intentionally use that same term to describe talking with the kid about his underlying psychological problems, maybe autism, maybe other pressures or whatever, and saying, you know, there are all sorts of different kinds of boys, from really tough and masculine to effeminate to somewhere in between, and you can be whatever kind of boy you want. No, that. That's somehow monstrous according to these sick, sick efforts. Anyway. Oh, and we brought you the study. It came out just a couple of weeks ago. I think that the number of, what was it, 12 to 20 year olds identifying as transgender has been cut in half in two years. Okay. It was a social contagion. It was always a social contagion. Which brings us to this email. Joe Getty saved my life from Alien. Anonymous. You know, there's a vague suggestion at the end. I'll keep this vague because it's not clear to me whether this person does not want to use us to use this on the air, but had a terrible, terrible anorexia problem for a very long time. We're talking 5, 6, 68 pounds.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, my God.
Joe Getty
5 foot 6, 68 pounds. And indeed, she hadn't even weighed herself in four years. Hardcore. Days, weeks, month would go by. I survived on water with Lemon, had children, and her kids saved her, she points out.
Jack Armstrong
And you still. They still feel like they're overweight. That's why you keep going, even when you're obviously horrifically skinny.
Joe Getty
And I'm skipping ahead and just sharing the essential parts of it again to protect her privacy. But however, Joe said something that changed my life. I eat now. I'm almost at 100 pounds, he said along these lines, the whole transgender crap is another social contagion. It's just like anorexia in the 80s and 90s, by the way. I did not make this stuff up, and I just tried to find great ideas and share them with you so these people get all the credit.
Jack Armstrong
But.
Joe Getty
But he said it's just like anorexia in the 80s and 90s. Joe, you unknowingly lit a fire in me. Under no circumstances will I succumb to a social contagion to be lumped into with transgenders and other BS kids cutting themselves social, public suicide. No way. You put my whole image in a new and very ugly light, and I am eternally grateful. For the first time, I went to a doctor, got my vitals done, my blood work done, everything. Oh, and then she talks about how old she is. Internally, because she's really hurt her internal organs. But she says, thank you from the bottom of my heart. You truly did save my life.
Jack Armstrong
You know, it sounds to me like, because it's like a lot of addictions and that sort of stuff, they had a moment of clarity for whatever reason. And that's why you gotta keep telling the truth to people. Whether it's you're starving yourself to death, you're drinking too much, whatever the thing it is when you catch them at the right moment, when they're having a moment of clarity, it can make all the difference in the world. And it's just kind of random when those moments of clarity occur, right?
Joe Getty
Although as you said, you keep putting them in front of them and hoping. This was a few years ago, it was like at the dawn of the explosion of junkie camps in California. And we were talking about how incredibly unproductive and counterproductive it is to enable addiction like the current so called compassionate policies do. And we got so many emails and texts from people who said, I only got straight when I went to jail. The worst thing you could have conceivably done for me is to make it as easy and comfortable as possible to stay a junkie. Hitting bottom saved my life. And we have as a society, at least in blue states, dis designed a set of policies where people are never allowed to hit bottom. It is incredibly cruel. And the fact that it masquerades as compassion makes it crueler still.
Jack Armstrong
Is Trump gonna pardon the turkeys this year or has he already done it? Somebody heard anything in that story? That's one of my favorite things that happens every year is because it's so stupid.
Joe Getty
The President Turkeys are guilty of sedition. He knows what to do with them.
Jack Armstrong
Okay, we got more on the way.
Joe Getty
Stay here. Armstrong and Getty.
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Emergency landing after a passenger smoked weed.
Jack Armstrong
In the bathroom and the crew inhaled.
Joe Getty
Was pretty wild. Just listen to some of the captain's.
Jack Armstrong
Announcements throughout the flight.
Joe Getty
Can the flight attendants please come up here and bring 40 bags of blue chips? Is it just me or does that cloud look like a duck? Hello, this is your speaking captain. Wait, I mean, captain speaking. That's crazy. We're expecting some turbulence, but hey, that's okay. Life is like that sometimes. Take the good with the bad. Namaste.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, it's an interesting flight. Jimmy Fallon could certainly do pot jokes his man. He was quite the pot enthusiast when he was younger. I remember seeing him on Larry King way back in the day when, when Jimmy Fallon was on Saturday Night Live and He was like 20 years old, but he was on with the cast of Saturday Night Live and he was so freaking high today. That would have blown up into like a meme or something like that. That was back before, you know, you could grab stuff like that and talk about it. But he was so out of his mind. It was very funny. I was actually embarrassed for him because he's a very clever guy and he came off as an idiot. Speaking of pot rappers. So I was just brought up my Apple music yesterday. I was going to listen to some music and it had our artist of the year. So they announced the artist of the Year for Apple music. And they, they, you know, they lean young in terms of who they're trying to satisfy, I guess because their artist of the year was Tyler the creator, which might be the most listened to artists on Apple music for all the young people that listen to their music that way. Tyler the creator, a rapper. But so I thought, okay, I'll listen to the big album with the kids as we're driving to the restaurant. I put on the first song and it is filthy. I mean, filthy. Sexually filthy. And it was okay with that for my sophomore. Not so okay with that with my eighth grader. So we turned that off and listen to something else. But I was thinking about that and, you know, I've been on this thing lately about cultural decay in America and all that sort of stuff. And I'm almost gonna sound like I'm arguing against myself here because I kind of am, but is it really bad? I guess I'm trying to justify the fact that I left let my high schooler listen to these sexually filthy songs. But they're just saying what was implied strongly. And they all knew what we meant. When we in younger generations, like you've talked about songs from the 50s, when they talk about dancing, they mean sex. When you know I'm gonna dance rock, yeah, I'm gonna rock you all night long, it means I'm gonna have. I'm gonna blank you all night long. And basically everybody knew that's what we meant. And you know, your famous B.B. king blues songs and all that sort of stuff. It says they just didn't say it out loud, but that's what we knew about it. Then got a little more aggressive about it.
Joe Getty
Children didn't through the 80s and 90s counter argument.
Jack Armstrong
Through the 80s and 90s it became even a little more explicit that we're talking about sex. Give you every inch of my love but still not as explicit. And now they just say it out loud. So I don't know if it's changed that much.
Joe Getty
It has. Like I said, it's because you could. That's just being restrained, gentlemanly, decent. To not be explicit in front of children and people who don't want to hear it.
Jack Armstrong
Well, yeah. And then I, you know, he's 16, so I'm letting him listen to sex songs. But you can't go any further, I'll tell you that. I've listened to the latest stuff. There is no more ground ahead. I mean, we've reached the end of the road. It would be impossible to go any further than they go in your typical songs.
Joe Getty
Now simultaneously bad news and good news.
Jack Armstrong
We're at the end of the road. Let's see how it turns out.
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From the great Charles Murray. The more video I saw of Charlie Kirk after his death, the better I liked him. The more video I see of Nick Fuentes, the more I wonder how anyone could like him. Smirky, infantile, vapid. Yeah, One reason I bring up Charles Murray is I just finished his book last night, Taking Religion Seriously, which I really, really liked. So if you're. He, he, he spent all his time as an academic atheist because he realized that's what you're supposed to do when you get to fancy pants colleges is not believing that crap. And he's changed his mind and he wrote a book about it and it's damned interesting and it's very short, so I recommend it if you're in that stage of your life. Yeah, yeah.
Joe Getty
One of the problems with the new right, the online right, is that it's all really young dudes. And whether it's young dudes or young women or anybody, they certainly have plenty to contribute. But trust me, life experience matters.
Jack Armstrong
It really, really, really gets them to contribute. How about you do it over there?
Joe Getty
It's, it's difficult to convince young people of that. That's been true from, you know, time immemorial. I'm tempted to go into detail about how the Global Climate Change Conference is getting rained out or the part of the conference that had no air conditioning and two people fainted. It's either proof that they're right or proof that they're wrong. But the key sentence here, the key phrase, was that it was breaking up the meetings where they were trying to decide how to spread out the billions and billions of dollars that governments have given them to, quote, unquote, fight climate.
Jack Armstrong
Change, offset carbon footprints.
Joe Getty
Sure, yeah, that'll work. I'd also like it at some point maybe to talk about the, what are they calling the. The big scandal where the special counsel, Jack Smith, siphoned up everybody's phone records and was just an astonishing overreach. Operation Arctic Frost was that.
Jack Armstrong
I keep seeing that and I haven't looked into it.
Joe Getty
It's a gigantic scandal, but we just don't have time, we don't have the bandwidth these days. There's too much craziness going on. So I don't know, maybe another time, or maybe it'll just go away with impunity. A bunch of senators got inserted into the recent Epstein bill. Half a million dollars each that goes to them to fine the government for doing that. But that comes out of taxpayers and just. I caramba, I don't have time. Anyway, I want to get a little bit more into this. We talked about this earlier. Part of the reason we've allowed rampant illegal immigration is there are so many unfilled jobs in America. Yet another study has come out, this one by the center for Immigration Studies. Steve Camerata, friend of the Armstrong Getty show, and Karen Ziegler, who I'm sure are pushing back against the notion that we have to import all these people illegally or legally because we need to fill these jobs. Going from 1960 to today, the percentage of men of prime working age not in the labor force has gone from 11% to 22%. It has doubled the number of all men who could be working who are not working. And that's many millions of people. Obviously among bachelor's degree or more education, it's gone from 4% to 9%. Nine percent's not that much, but it's more than double what it was. And then among no bachelor's degree, God.
Jack Armstrong
You get a bachelor's degree from college and you're, you're not working at all. That's amazing.
Joe Getty
Among men, no bachelor's degree, that's gone from a very modest 12% to almost 28%. Now, is some of this the nature of the workplace? Maybe. I know if you were like in favor of giant bloated social programs, you'd say, well, these folks without a high school education, it's the information economy these days and it's hard for them, blah, blah, blah. But no, no, the jobs that are going to illegals are not in, you know, AI cleaning hotel, they're. Yeah, they're cleaning hotels, they're janitorial, they're manufacturing construction. How it's not a big. The next construction site I see where they're playing American music and not Mexican music. Call me anytime, night or day and let me come by and check it out.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, how you can simultaneously having have, you know, you go to any hotel or restaurant or work site or whatever, and it's all people obviously from other countries doing the job because nobody's speaking English and have this many million US born men of working age who aren't working. I mean, if that ain't socialism, I don't know what the Hell it is.
Joe Getty
Yeah, well. And they make the point that it ticks up a little bit and a little bit and a little bit. Then in the last, you know, 20 years or so, it goes way up. And they make the point in the study that blah, blah, blah. If the same share of US Born men were in the labor force this year is in 1960, there would be almost 9 million more U.S. born men in the labor force.
Jack Armstrong
Wow.
Joe Getty
U.S. born men in the labor force. Even if we just go back to 2000, the year 2000, it would still add 4.1 million US born men to the labor force.
Jack Armstrong
That's incredible.
Joe Getty
It is. It really is.
Jack Armstrong
And then surely you understand how this works. So obviously these people aren't starving to death. So they're on some sort of government program, in some cases living with their parents, but on some sort of government program to where they can live. Then you got people from other countries doing the jobs, which drives down wages because you don't need to pay them as much, especially when the borders were open because there's another wave of people willing to work for even cheaper coming next year. That's the way it's been for a long time. So it drives down wages. So they end up with the US Born dude saying, well, I'm not working for that amount of money because the wages are so low.
Joe Getty
And if you just narrow it down to prime time working age 25 to 54, no bachelor's degree has gone from 4% to 15%. I mean, come on. Bachelor's degree or more has gone from 2% to 5 and a half percent. It's not a huge number, but again, that's two and a half times as many. And all education levels gone from 4% to a little over 11%. How does this happen? There's some Camerota and Ziegler in their conclusion. And some of it is.
Jack Armstrong
Some of it is the shame thing that. What's her name, Bernay Brown. Anyway, she was one of the therapist people out there that wrote books about shame. And now we should. You should not shame anybody for blah, blah, blah.
Joe Getty
You should be ashamed of your book.
Jack Armstrong
Shame, Shame.
Joe Getty
Back in the day, ringing the shame bell.
Jack Armstrong
Back in the day, you'd be ashamed to be unemployed, living on the dole, out with your friends. You'd be ashamed no longer.
Joe Getty
Right. So they conclude. Well, they mentioned that the Trump administration and Congress can undertake a variety of fixes, including welfare reforms combating the opioid crisis.
Jack Armstrong
But that's why I brought up shame. It's always some Sort of policy as opposed to the culture. The culture of this has changed so much. Well, right.
Joe Getty
And politics is downstream of culture, as they say.
Jack Armstrong
You can hang out.
Joe Getty
Politics doesn't make the culture. The culture creates the politics. Mostly.
Jack Armstrong
And I'm not 90 years old. I'm old, but I'm not 90 years old. Wasn't that long ago I was in college. People that like lived with their parents still. When I was 25, I didn't know anybody.
Joe Getty
No. And it would have been crazy if.
Jack Armstrong
You said you still lived with your parents. And now it's perfectly acceptable and there's no shame in it.
Joe Getty
With all due respect to the skyrocketing housing prices, which is a factor, but it's not everything. So their conclusion, and this will be our conclusion, I think, is we have a choice as a country. We can either adopt policies designed to get more working age Americans currently on the economic sidelines into jobs, or we can ignore the problem and continue to bring in ever more immigrants and then try to manage all the pathologies associated with our higher rate of the working age. Not in the labor force. You know, John Kennedy's ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country is. Was often cited as a wonderful thing to say. There's a bit of debate about that in libertarian circles, but I think the modern translation of that would be for politicians ask never for anybody to do anything for their country or themselves. Ask only what they can be given so they will vote for you.
Jack Armstrong
That's pretty accurate. I want to talk since we're going on vacation, I want to talk about the Thanksgiving meal a little bit when we come back. Stay here.
Joe Getty
Armstrong and Getty. Shh.
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Joe Getty
Mashed potatoes and gravy along with the turkey. Double answer there. Triple answer, according to some. I like it all.
Jack Armstrong
Although you have mashed potatoes and gravy other times during the year.
Joe Getty
But see, I don't. I don't eat it. Yeah, but Thanksgiving, that's about it. It's fairly rare at our place, too. You know, it's funny. It's a totally legitimate question. I might go with my wife's stuffing, but it's almost like, you know, in Jimmy Page's guitar solo for Stairway to Heaven. Which notes do you like the best? The A's, the B's, the G sharps?
Jack Armstrong
It's a.
Joe Getty
It's a concert. It's a symphony of taste and texture.
Jack Armstrong
This is Joe Getty overthinking the world's simplest question. Katie. Well, since Joe's going stuffing, I really like the green bean casserole. Oh, really? Aren't you healthy?
Joe Getty
Really? I love it. That's at the Caboose of Maya.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, I'll eat some because somebody made it and I don't want to hurt their feelings.
Joe Getty
Oh, my wife has apple and sausage.
Jack Armstrong
Oh, I think I've had it. Yes, that's pretty good. Hanson, what's your favorite stuffing? Yeah, yeah, I. Yeah, I agree, actually, what Joe said, it's whatever that flavor is, and I only get it once a year. Or actually five times a year, because I'll eat it Thanksgiving Day and then several days after. But whatever that flavor is of stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, all kind of mixed together with some turkey, that flavor that you can't get anywhere else, that's the flavor I like.
Joe Getty
Then there's the leftover sandwich featuring toast, turkey, stuffing, cranberry and mayonnaise.
Jack Armstrong
Yes.
Joe Getty
Now you are speaking my language.
Jack Armstrong
You know.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
I might have set myself up for disaster. I had a very good day on the scale this morning. We really should see who gains the most weight till we come back the next Monday.
Joe Getty
Oh, wow.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
Yeah, you could have disadvantaged yourself.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, because I had a really good day on the scale, so.
Joe Getty
Well, that's all right. It's like what they call. Before I had some of my joint replacements Worked out really hard. They called it prehab. That's what you've done. You've lost some weight to be in better shape, to gain some weight. Well, you don't want to gain on top of gain. Right, right.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it really was. Yeah. Because the scale today had a good number and it's like really opened me up. We got a little driving here, a little traveling, little eating on the road, little being at an airport, a little Thanksgiving. Would you like another piece of pie? Little of that going on.
Joe Getty
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Jack Armstrong
Nobody even mentioned pie, which is interesting.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Well, yeah. Do you like pumpkin or apple?
Jack Armstrong
Yes. Yeah, Correct. Yeah.
Joe Getty
Correct answer, Joe.
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Joe Getty
All of it. Which of your children is your favorite? Yes is the answer. Gimme. We're having both of those, by the way. A couple of classic pies. Michael, although I, like Jack, am very open minded when it goes pie. Diversity is our greatest strength. Are you a blueberry person? Cherry. A humble strawberry rhubarb. Your pie is my pie. We have big tent here. We do banana cream, too. And that's a pervert pie. Sorry. Of here. That's the one pie we cannot.
Jack Armstrong
Were you rooting for the Indians? What do you mean? You get banana cream pie.
Joe Getty
We have apple pineapple.
Jack Armstrong
All right.
Joe Getty
Took an odd turn. Wow. Banana cream. That's a fringe pie, but a delicious one.
Jack Armstrong
What other weird things do you do? Good Lord.
Joe Getty
We have creamed spinach. Cheesy potatoes. Oh, the cheesy potatoes are good, too. Cracked potatoes, we call it.
Jack Armstrong
I don't know, I feel like if I'm in a Thanksgiving dinner and somebody brings out a banana cream pie, flip over the table and storm out, I mean, it's really a weird thing to do.
Joe Getty
How about lemon meringue? Long time. My favorite pie. That's a good p. Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
I will be in Salina, Kansas, at Russell's Truck Stop at some point over the next week where Joe and I used to get together and eat lemon ring pie and work on the show. Oh, my God.
Joe Getty
And the slices were, you know, half an acre. And often that second slice would seem like a good idea as we're sipping the memories.
Jack Armstrong
And I will post a picture, as I do every year. I think I got a streak going to like 15 years in a row of posting a picture of me lying on the floor after the Thanksgiving meal, which is not like an act. I have to lay down on the floor after I eat because it's the only place it's comfortable. Sitting is too uncomfortable in even like in relaxing in a couch. It's too much. I need to be completely flat to.
Joe Getty
Be studied at the university level. I would chunder before I got to that point.
Jack Armstrong
Well, you should try laying down on the floor. It helps you digest.
Joe Getty
I'm good, thank you. I'll remain upright. You do you.
Jack Armstrong
The being completely full and then somebody says pie and then you can somehow manage to force down that piece of pie. Pie is just. It's one of the wonders of being a human, I guess. Yeah.
Joe Getty
The. The whole rolls. You got like warm homemade rolls with butter.
Jack Armstrong
Exactly.
Joe Getty
Sop up a little potatoes with gravy. Is it all needed?
Jack Armstrong
I suppose we should throw in a little. Give thanks for this or that at some point in the conversation.
Joe Getty
Yeah, whatever. Okay.
Jack Armstrong
I like doing that before the meal though. Always do that. Oh yeah. And you know, always interested in what my kids were going to say. Oh, the kids. It reminds me. I'll think about this every year because we. The first time one of the kids was like old enough to even know it was a holiday. You know, when they're three, they don't even know what's going on, but they're old enough. You got to build up to Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving. People, you know, people are coming, blah, blah, blah. Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving. All this talk about Thanksgiving. And then you get there and we eat the meal. I remember, I think it was Henry saying, so is this it? Is this. This is just a meal. Because they don't care about the food at all as a kid. All right. So it's like all this talk and.
Joe Getty
Build up a hot dog was about this.
Jack Armstrong
We're gonna have a meal.
Joe Getty
This is no.
Jack Armstrong
There's no presence. We're not going anywhere. No rides the hell. But now they're old enough that they really look forward to the food. So that's cool.
Joe Getty
Oh, that's nice. And it's great. You're going to see family. We are families coming here should be terrific. My Dad's celebrating his 85th birthday on Thanksgiving Day.
Jack Armstrong
Really?
Joe Getty
So that's pretty big family gathering.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
Everybody's coming in.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah. What a cool thing.
Joe Getty
Yeah.
Jack Armstrong
How often does his birthday land on Thanksgiving? Probably every now and now.
Joe Getty
And you'd have to check your local astronomical chart, I guess. I don't know, a handful of times.
Jack Armstrong
Do you pull the wishbone apart? Make a way.
Joe Getty
Yeah. Yeah. There's only one, unfortunately. The science needs to get work. Breeding a freak turkey with lots of wishbones so everybody can enjoy themselves. Does anybody phone is interesting. It often you got the big thick end and you think, oh, please, this Is is great. And then, oh, snap, you're a loser. That's the way life is.
Jack Armstrong
I got one more comment on this. I'll put it in. Final thoughts. Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Oetti.
Joe Getty
The. The turkey's thinking, yeah, I wish you wouldn't, like, kill me and dismember me me as we grip at swishbone. Hey, let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew. Michelangelo, lead us off, would you? I gotta be quick, but I gotta go out and buy my eating pants or just jogging pants where I can get stains all over them and throw them away.
Jack Armstrong
There you go.
Joe Getty
Put on your eating pants. That's a good idea. Kitty Green.
Jack Armstrong
Plan to stain yourself.
Joe Getty
Katie Greener, esteemed muse woman, has a final thought. Katie, you mentioned the warm rolls. Make a little miniature Thanksgiving sandwich at dinner. Oh, I do that every year.
Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
Joe Getty
Thanksgiving slider. Yeah. Yes. Jack, final thought.
Jack Armstrong
I feel like as those who grow up in the great Depression die off, there'll be fewer people like my dad eating the gizzards and the heart and the stuff that you take in that little bag. My dad always eats that stuff. Nobody else wants it.
Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong yeti.com in the next decade, the last person who ever wanted to eat the heart from the turkey will have died off and that will just go away as a thing. God bless America. Armstrong and Getty.
Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Has come and gone.
Joe Getty
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This is an iHeart podcast.
Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty
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In this pre-Thanksgiving episode, Armstrong and Getty get festive while tackling a mix of serious issues and lighter fare. The show weaves together cultural critiques, social commentary, listener stories, and a humorous, heartfelt ode to Thanksgiving foods — especially pie. The hosts discuss topics ranging from the evidence (or lack thereof) behind gender-affirming care for minors, labor force participation among U.S.-born men, immigration, pop culture, and the enduring joys (and oddities) of the Thanksgiving meal.
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The episode deftly combines Armstrong & Getty’s trademark snark, sincerity, and comradery. Difficult cultural issues are approached with critique and humor, while discussions of Thanksgiving are warm, nostalgic, and peppered with playful debate — especially regarding pie. The show closes on a sentimental note of gratitude and Americana.
Whether breaking down the problems of social contagion, labor force decline, or simply which pie is most essential to the American table, Armstrong & Getty find the absurdities, ironies, and small joys of the modern world — always with a wink, a quip, and an eye toward what really brings us together.