Plagiarism & Munitions

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "Plagiarism & Munitions"
Date: August 6, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty centers on several hot-button issues: a purported breakthrough (and ongoing tensions) in negotiations to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, the United States’ concerning munitions shortages in the context of global threats, and the scandal of a high-profile academic accused of serial plagiarism, which prompts a larger critique of DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) practices in higher education. The hosts also tackle lighter moments, bizarre local stories, changing teen dynamics, and US political implications of emerging Senate races.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Strait of Hormuz: Ambiguous Breakthrough or False Dawn?

Timestamps: 02:18 – 06:53

• News Recap: Both Iran and Donald Trump claim a deal is imminent to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, with Axios and the AP echoing this narrative.
  • [02:18] Jack Armstrong: “This is the first time that Trump, Iran and Axios are all saying there’s a deal to open the strait today.”
  • [02:37] "Iran said it is in the final stage today of drafting an agreement... Trump has said a deal could be announced today also which could potentially reopen the critical Waterway."
• Geopolitical Stakes: The deal’s major sticking point is whether Iran will maintain a level of control over the strait, breaking 80 years of precedent for open passage.
• Skepticism:
  • [03:55] Jack: “...to have both sides saying it’s gonna be open today and Trump say... no tolls... and Iran saying it’ll never be open again and free, seems to me to blow up the deal before it even starts.”
  • Mark Halperin’s analysis is cited: “If you think there’s a deal that will happen and hold for more than a week, then I’ve got some Saudi sheep I’d like to sell you.” [04:27]
  • Comic relief: The hosts riff on the joke, showing their confusion over the “Saudi sheep” reference.
• Strategic Insight:
  • Iran is using its ability to close the strait as a new form of deterrence, compensating for setbacks in its nuclear program.
  • [05:37] Joe Getty: “Closing the straits. That’s our deterrence... anybody messes with us, we’ll threaten them with that.”
  • The US and global economy are preparing for alternate routes, potentially undercutting Iran’s leverage if it delays.

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2. U.S. Munitions Shortages: Defense at the Breaking Point?

Timestamps: 06:53 – 14:19

• Background: Reports emerge of severe shortages of key US munitions, especially as the war with Iran stretches on.
  • According to the Washington Post and Reuters, the US is “drained to the extent that there’s basically none left” of certain missile stockpiles. [08:00]
  • Tactics have shifted: The military now selectively intercepts threats due to short supply, rather than shooting down every possible missile. [08:26]
• Doubts About Readiness:
  • [10:23] Jack: “Were we prepared to take on China or Russia or a two-front war?... Sure doesn’t look like it if a minor war with Iran put us in this position.”
  • [09:24] Joe: “...it was as recently as the 1980s that Ronald Reagan was mocked... for considering a missile defense system... now people are saying we can't do a war because we don't have enough of these things when it never existed before.”
• Leaks and Political Intrigue: Trump and his administration strongly deny the shortages, calling reports “100% fake news.” Meanwhile, leakers are condemned as traitors.
  • [11:38] Jack: “A recent truth social post from Trump said we have massive amounts of munitions... leakers… are being hunted down.”
  • Joe speculates that anti-war actors inside Trump’s own party might be behind the leaks.
• Strategic National Security: Both hosts agree America must “crank up the arsenal of democracy again,” expressing concern that the country is not presently in “fighting shape.”
  • [13:38] Joe recalls Britain’s “atrophied” military and warns the US is far from that, but “not in fighting shape.”

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3. Gen X Economic Pessimism & Hippie Blame

Timestamps: 14:19 – 14:42

• Jack cites a study showing Gen X as “the most economically pessimistic generation maybe of all time,” jokingly blaming “the hippies” for spending “us into oblivion.”

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4. Academic Scandal & DEI: The Jason Arday Affair

Timestamps: 14:45 – 36:52

• Setup: Joe launches into an explanation of a major academia scandal in the UK involving Jason Arday, the youngest black professor ever appointed at Cambridge, who became a media darling for his “overcoming adversity” narrative.
  • [26:04] Joe: “Do not underestimate the guy. He is formidable. I agree completely. So, I, Joe Getty, hate DEI for a number of reasons. It’s racist… and it casts bad light on the achievement of impressive black people.”
• Downfall:
  • Jason Arday accused of serial plagiarism—his academic work is largely unoriginal, and many of his personal achievement claims (e.g. World record marathon feats, huge charity fundraising) are unprovable or exaggerated.
  • [29:52] Joe: “...this academic who does a bunch of looking at plagiarism identified this guy as an absolute serial plagiar[ist]...”
  • Cambridge initially defends Arday as a victim of racism; only after further revelations do they open an investigation.
  • [32:26] “After the allegations... Cambridge stood by Arday, saying he was the victim of a racially motivated smear.”
• Broader Consequence:
  • The hosts warn that superficial or quota-based diversity efforts harm genuinely talented individuals from underrepresented groups.
  • [33:10] Jack: “You walk into a young black doctor’s office, you’ve got to think, is he here because of excellence or DEI?”
  • [33:12] Joe: “And I hate that this is so damaging. And the screaming that this is vicious racism when it turns out every single allegation was true... does so much damage.”
• Meritocracy: The segment closes with a defense of strict meritocracy and jokes about “A’s hire B’s, B’s hire C’s,” questioning whether over-emphasis on diversity undermines institutional excellence.

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5. Local Color & Social Decay: California Pizza and Sidewalk Poop

Timestamps: 18:06 – 22:22

• Wild Anecdote: Jack describes witnessing a large group of firefighters responding to a pile of human feces on a California sidewalk.
  • [21:01] Jack: “I stood on the corner, I said, I’ll bet you wonder what’s going on... Yep, somebody pooped on the sidewalk right over there.”
  • The story doubles as a lament for declining urban conditions and decriminalization of "petty" crime in California.
  • [22:18] Joe: “‘Golden State,’ indeed.”

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6. Return Fraud, Shoplifting, and Target’s Dilemma

Timestamps: 37:30 – 39:14

• New Scam: Viral clip of a mom finding her purchased box of Huggies from Target filled with old clothes instead of diapers.
  • [38:13] Jack: “And what this is is a new shoplifting scheme.”
  • Joe blames lax return policies and says Target should hire “bouncers like a seedy bar” for customer service to fight back.
  • Notable quote: [38:38] Joe: “My son actually worked customer service at Target for a while, and it taught him more about humanity than any university education ever could.”

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7. Teen Tribes, Social Pressure, and the Male/Female Dynamic

Timestamps: 43:32 – 46:14

• Jack shares a fatherly observation about his teenage sons’ efforts to act “cool” and fit in, wondering if girls experience similar dynamics.
  • [44:51] Jack: “...the effort you have to go to, to be, to show you’re a cool part of the tribe person at that age...”
  • Joe confirms the social dynamics differ by gender, but the pressure to conform or belong is universal.

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8. Michigan Senate Race & Emerging Political Figures

Timestamps: 25:50, 47:16 – 47:24

• The hosts tease a discussion about Abdul El-Sayed, the Democratic Senate nominee in Michigan, and his rhetorical skills.
  • [26:01] Jack: “He’s got the Trump thing, he’s got the Obama thing, he’s got the Clinton thing. He is good.“
• Joe calls El-Sayed a “master villain... brilliant but evil.” [47:16]
• They note this upcoming race will be one to watch as a “master class in politics.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Geopolitical Doublespeak
  • [03:55] Jack Armstrong: “...to have both sides saying it’s gonna be open today and Trump say... no tolls... and Iran saying it’ll never be open again and free, seems to me to blow up the deal before it even starts.”
• On Plagiarism and DEI
  • [29:52] Joe Getty: “...this academic who does a bunch of looking at plagiarism identified this guy as an absolute serial plagiar[ist]...”
  • [33:10] Jack Armstrong: “You walk into a young black doctor’s office, you’ve got to think, is he here because of excellence or DEI?”
  • [33:12] Joe Getty: “And I hate that this is so damaging. And the screaming that this is vicious racism when it turns out every single allegation was true... does so much damage.”
• On Urban Decline
  • [21:01] Jack Armstrong: “Yep, somebody pooped on the sidewalk right over there... All these firefighters, fire trucks, everything like that. Human poo.”
• On Shoplifting Schemes and Return Policy Abuse
  • [38:38] Joe Getty: “My son actually worked customer service at Target for a while, and it taught him more about humanity than any university education ever could.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Start | End | |---------------------------------------------|-------------|------------| | Strait of Hormuz/Geopolitics | 02:18 | 06:53 | | U.S. Munitions Shortages | 06:53 | 14:19 | | Gen X/Economic Pessimism | 14:19 | 14:42 | | Plagiarism & DEI in Academia | 14:45 | 36:52 | | Street Disorder Story (California) | 18:06 | 22:22 | | Shoplifting Schemes/Return Fraud | 37:30 | 39:14 | | Teen Tribe Commentary | 43:32 | 46:14 | | Michigan Senate Race Overview | 25:50, 47:16| 47:24 |

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Tone and Style

The episode balances urgent, pressing political and social analysis with comic relief, irreverence, and freewheeling banter. Armstrong & Getty’s approach remains accessible, skeptical, and unfiltered—rapidly shifting from news seriousness to self-deprecating humor and back again.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

• The episode is a fast-moving blend of sharp geopolitical analysis, anxiety about national defense capabilities, and cultural commentary, anchored by the hosts’ commitment to meritocracy and skepticism toward performative progressivism.
• Expect candid opinions, quick wit, and a mixture of serious and offbeat stories—all delivered in the show’s signature lively, informal style.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong. Armstrong and Heady. For the first time, Iran is getting specific about what's in a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

[Jack Armstrong]

Almost all the topics are under discussion. The map, the transit routes, the entering and exiting of maritime traffic. This progress is on the verge of being finalized. So I think this is the first time that Trump, Iran and Axios are all saying there is a deal to open the strait today. And that's what they're all saying today. Here is The Associated Press version of the story today, Iran said it is in the final stage today of drafting an agreement with. Oh, man, oh, man. Over the straight of Hormuz. And that Donald Trump has said a deal could be announced today also which could potentially reopen the critical Waterway. And would that put an end to the war? Who knows? The agreement is likely to be contingent on the US Lifting its blockade of Iran's ports. Trump has previously ruled out any deal that would cement Iran's grip over the strait, which of course would amount to a major loss for the United States and a break with global norms. Because all states straits around the world have been open since the end of World War II to maritime traffic. This would be the first time that that hasn't happened in 80 years. Iran has insisted on some measure of control over the strait, saying it will not go back to being an open international waterway as it was before the war.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now, I'm no geopolitical genius, but to have both sides saying it's gonna be open today and Trump say, by the way, no tolls on the strait and Iran saying it'll never be open again and free, seems to me to blow up the deal before it even starts.

[Joe Getty]

I was just going to ask you $100, will a significant number of ships pass through the strait today or tomorrow?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, Mark Halperin's analysis in his newsletter

[Joe Getty]

today was, if you think there's a

[Jack Armstrong]

deal that will happen and hold for more than a week, then I've got some Saudi sheep I'd like to sell you.

[Joe Getty]

That's an odd joke.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is. I don't know anything about the whole complicated, opaque world of Saudi sheep, but it must be something.

[Joe Getty]

I think I'm missing the joke. Anyway, I don't think they have a lot of grazing land in Saudi Arabia. Maybe that's the key. Not a lot of livestock. Maybe that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe that is the joke. But you're right.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Anyway, I came across some learned analysis by a trio of alleged experts who made clear something that I've been telling you for a while, but Iran wants the big deterrent, and for the longest time, it was the bomb. They wanted a nuclear bomb so nobody could mess with them and interfere with their plans to take over the globe in the name of radical Islam or threaten their supremacy in their country, partly for ideological reasons and partly because they're all getting crazy, crazy rich. So they want a deterrent. They've been set back over and over and over again in their nuclear ambitions, and they realize that we're going to Keep trying on that, but it's shaky. But look what we figured out.

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Crazy.

[Joe Getty]

Closing the straits. That's our deterrence, especially working with the Houthis over there on the other side of Saudi. We can close the straits. That's anybody messes with us, we'll threaten them with that. That's our new deterrent. And they are 100%, not 98%, 100% determined to keep that power somehow or other. So you gotta look at this through that lens.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think Trump.

[Joe Getty]

Well, go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think Trump's willing to let the strait open up with a toll.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, he is.

[Jack Armstrong]

I agree to get out of the war.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Interestingly though, as this back and forth practically non existent negotiation goes on, the world is getting better and better at bypassing the strengths we're talking about.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could be moose.

[Joe Getty]

So the longer they, they play the tough guy and they're smart and calculating, they're evil as hell. That doesn't mean they're dumb. They probably realize that in Iran and so they think, oh man, okay, now let's get the best deal we can before our leverage is undermined by our very intransigence. Where this goes, who knows?

[Jack Armstrong]

So, similar topic, there are, there are a number of burbling problems in the world right now. There always are burbling problems that could blow up into like the sort of thing everybody's talking about on the, on the planet practically at any moment. AI is one of them. Some of y' all think climate change is. I don't. This, this could be one that the

[Joe Getty]

United States buy some shorts that the

[Jack Armstrong]

United States, which is really the guarantor of the free world's freedom, is out of munitions to fight a real war could turn into being like a really, really big story, depending on how true it is and how it turns out. Washington Post version today mentioned this in hour one. President Donald Trump's frustration over the Iran war boiled over at Camp David last week, where he demanded answers from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on why he had apparently been misled on extreme munitions shortages that now threatened to limit military options with Iran. Two people familiar with the exchange told the Washington Post. Now this is the WaPo and they have lied about things in not the not too distant past or made things up. The White House says this is not true. This is 100% fake news, literally never happened. And President Trump has the utmost confidence in Secretary Hegseth, said Carolyn Levitt in response to questions to the Post. But there are lots of, there are lots of reports out there from various places on where our stockpiles are. For instance, the Reuters report that got so much attention a couple of weeks ago. The U.S. has used more than 1300 of the Army's tactical ballistic missiles in the initial weeks of fighting, one US official told the Washington Post, confirming the Reuters story. The ATACMS stockpile, a short range missile also in demand by Ukraine, which is one of the reasons they're getting pounded now, is drained to the extent that there's basically none left, said one person familiar, verifying the Reuters report. Basically none left. The lack of interceptor missiles is also altering how the US decides whether to employ munitions against an incoming threat based on where it's assessed to be heading and whether or not it is a factor. So if somebody shoots something at us, we don't just automatically shoot it down. Now we think, well where's it headed? How much damage is it going to do if we just let it go through because we have such a limited amount, one US official told the Washington Post. Which is a change in tactics first reported by NBC News. And there's just a bunch of stories out there like that.

[Joe Getty]

It's probably worth pointing out at this point that it was as recently as the 1980s that Ronald Reagan was mocked and laughed at for even considering a missile defense system by the mainstream media that we're all supposed to respect so much. And my point being the idea of missile defense of any sort is very, very new in warfare and like super effective patriots and atacms and what's the other one Thads that we have right now are like crazy new in the history of warfare. And it's interesting to me that people are saying we can't do a war. We can't do a war because we don't have enough of these things when it never existed before. And I understand we don't want to. I'm not being casual about spending lives, but we just got this tool. What do you mean we can't do a war?

[Jack Armstrong]

So the analysis in Mark Halperin's newsletter today is the munitions shortages are a real danger to the United States and will not and cannot be fixed easily or quickly. I don't understand that and I have no, I don't know nothing about nothing. But I just don't understand how this is how much war we can fight before we run down to a dangerously low level. Was this are we were we prepared to take on China or Russia or whoever the hell or a two front war as has been discussed in real life or all kinds of different things? Sure doesn't look like it if a minor war with Iran put us in this position. According to the Washington Post, the shortages, particularly in long range guided missiles and air defense interceptors, were part of the reason Trump pulled back from launching additional massive strikes in recent days. He said as recently as like an hour ago, because he was asked about this, that that is not it. We got plenty of stuff that had nothing to do with it. Of course you'd say that. What is the President United States going to say? Yep, you're right, I was going to launch an attack, but frankly we just don't have the firepower. Of course he's not going to say that.

[Joe Getty]

And of course, after a multi generation period of peace and prosperity, your military manufacturing base is going to be a peace and prosperity military manufacturing bas.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. A recent truth social post from Trump said we have a massive amounts of munitions, large amounts are being manufactured and shipped to the US as needed. The leakers of these treasonous statements are being hunted down. And if they are treasonous statements, whether accurate or not, first of all, why in the hell is somebody leaking to our enemy at wartime? How many various weapon systems do we

[Joe Getty]

have is they should be hunted down.

[Jack Armstrong]

They should be hunted down. Yeah. And then especially if you're like, if you're doing it to like you suggested perhaps last hour that the J.D. vance crowd that doesn't like this war might be leaking this stuff.

[Joe Getty]

It's possible.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I think it's very possible. This is, that's kind of an ugly thing though. That's a, that's a pretty damn ugly thing. And the ugliest thing is if, if we did actually call off the major strike against Iran because when it came down to pulling the trigger, Trump found out we don't have the stuff necessary to engage Iran like this. That is highly troubling.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. And this is one of those things that Trump does. Right. I think he is absolutely incorrigible and terrible at some things and absolutely invaluable at others. And I think he will reinvigorate the defense industrial base in a way that others would not. Certainly the left would never, ever do because they get votes by handing out your money and, and they can't spare it for defending the country. I think Trump could really, really push us forward toward a much more realistic stance given the challenges, military challenges of today's world. I hope he does. I hope that's a high priority.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm looking up at cable news. Two of the channels are talking about this very topic. I hope it gets enough Attention that we crank up the arsenal of democracy again to where we got plenty of stuff. And everybody in the world knows we got plenty of stuff.

[Joe Getty]

I remember the stories that came out a few months ago about Britain. Britain couldn't even put ships at sea. It's. Its military is so. What's the. What's the term? You don't use it. It becomes something. Well, it's atrophied. Their military is so atrophied and so a. Like. It's like a Hollywood set. It's got the. The front of a military, but it doesn't have the parts. It doesn't have the maintenance. It has no manufacturing. It's. It's a theatrical, you know, fake. We are nowhere near that bad. But we're not in fighting shape. Enough said. I think so.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joe and I are both Gen X. A lot of you probably are too. Gen X is the most economically pessimistic generation maybe of all time, according to a new study.

[Joe Getty]

Interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know why it is? The hippies. The hippies spent us into oblivion.

[Joe Getty]

The damned hippies.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm gonna take this opportunity to complain about hippies at some point.

[Joe Getty]

Get a haircut, hippie. That's what I say.

[Jack Armstrong]

Among other things. On the waist. Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Including the scandal that's rocking academia. It is the perfect example of how insidious DEI is for everyone. Especially black folks.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've only seen the headlines on this, but it looks really juicy. I can't wait to hear it.

[Joe Getty]

So bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cool. On the way.

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[Jack Armstrong]

She claims the biggest struggle will be

[Joe Getty]

moving her nipples out of the photo.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh my God. Gutfeld. Oh, come on. God. Come on.

[Joe Getty]

That's out of line right there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, Donna Mills Is she Knots landing from the 80s?

[Joe Getty]

Is that she's 85. Time marches on.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's going way back.

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Wow,

[Joe Getty]

it's so bad.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, it makes me feel less bad about this. So this story is gross and. But it's true and it's interesting. I'm concerned because I work with people who are easily baited into low brow humor, but

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wow.

[Joe Getty]

Wow, how unfortunate for you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, so I'm downtown, my little burg in California, where California decriminalized crime and all kinds of behavior. And so there's all kinds of gross. And, you know, everything's locked up in every store because they don't prosecute you for stealing. So if you want deodorant at the cvs, you have to have somebody bring a key. We've talked about that. Street people, various places, that sort of thing. So I'm walking down the sidewalk and I'm actually walking to a place to get a slice of pizza, which this did not help my appetite. I'm walking to a place to get a slice of pizza last night after dropping my son off and his friends off downtown. And the fact that you have a

[Joe Getty]

pizza by the slice place, college town, makes me so jealous.

[Jack Armstrong]

I love the pizza by the slice.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yes. Although again, America, baby.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was not as appetizing after this. So I'm walking down the sidewalk and there are a handful of firefighters standing on the sidewalk. And there's a fire truck like the small one, like the fire chief, red pickup truck parked in front of this coffee shop. And I thought, because we've ridden with the fire department before, I thought somebody had a heart attack or choked or something like that, you know, any sort of health problem. The people that show up are the fire department right off the bat. And then. But I'm getting closer and I'm walking down the side. Watch your step. No, look out. And I look down and oh, boy,

[Joe Getty]

had they been eating too much Taco Bell lettuce or.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was used food. I mean, it was the. It was the byproduct of a human. After they have taken all the nutrients out of their meal. I see and. And passed it apparently onto the sidewalk. Right there, like right downtown in front of all the stores, a big pile on the pizza, full size.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, Lord.

[Jack Armstrong]

Chipotle burrito size pile right there.

[Commercial Announcer 4]

Boy.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, golly.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the firefighter. What I thought was interesting about it is there are like four firefighters. When I walked up, by the end of it, there were maybe eight. And then the full fire truck, like the full ladder truck. So you had the full giant half block long ladder, truck, the pickup truck, maybe eight to ten firefighters standing around. Truck.

[Commercial Announcer 4]

What?

[Joe Getty]

In case the guy pooped in a tree as well. What's going on here?

[Jack Armstrong]

Standing around looking at this pile of poo and what? I got a kick out of it. This is what I did because I just thought this was fantastic in an awful sort of way. I stood because everybody's walking by. Nothing draws a crowd like a crowd. Everybody's wondering what the heck's going on. I stood on the corner, I said, I'll bet you wonder what's going on. I did this for like a half an hour. You know what's going on over here? Yep. Somebody pooped on the sidewalk right over there. That's what people matter. And everybody's like, oh my God. Early. I said, yep, yep. Human poo right there. All these firefighters, fire trucks, everything like that. Human poo. Because right there on the sidewalk. I'll bet I told 50 people this story. I just decided to be the town barker for what was happening there on the corner.

[Joe Getty]

The fire department.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know. I guess because you're worried about hepatitis or something. Eventually a bunch of people showed up with chemicals and squirt bottles and it was quite the deal.

[Joe Getty]

Golden state, indeed.

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[Jack Armstrong]

get into it now or three. This El Sayed guy up in Michigan, he's gonna be A problem because he's got. He's got the Trump thing, he's got the Obama thing, he's got the Clinton thing. He is good.

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It just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some people have that and he's got it.

[Joe Getty]

Do not underestimate the guy. He is formidable. I agree completely. So, I, Joe Getty, hate DEI for a number of reasons. It's racist, it's born of neo Marxism, read cynical theories by the great James Lindsay and Helen Pluckrose, and it casts a bad light on the achievement of impressive black people. And I want black scholars and doctors and attorneys and thinkers and writers to get the full credit for their genius. And I want black kids to grow up in the land of opportunity with dreams of greatness. That's what I want. That's why I hate dei, to wit. And this is out of England, where they're even more screwed up than we are. But Jason, our day was the toast of academia and really the progressive world. In 2023, became the youngest black professor ever appointed by the University of Cambridge and was absolutely lionized in the British media for his remarkable backstory and account of his achievements. Raised in South London, family of Ghanaian origin, he says he was diagnosed with autism as a child. He couldn't speak until he was 11.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Then overcame illiteracy in his teens before becoming a sociology professor. When at the age of 37, he is appointed as a professor at the University of Cambridge, the prestigious institution said that that would help, quote, address underrepresentation of people from socioeconomically disadvantaged backgrounds.

[Jack Armstrong]

Uh.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, well, turns out not only is the guy a plagiarist in the, you know, the Claudine gay model, he plagiarizes like crazy all of his so called giant work. Interestingly, and you've heard me say this before, it's weird to accuse people in the grievance studies field of plagiarism because their field isn't about science. It's about repeating the party line, saying the right things, the right phrases, the right words, pledging your fealty to that cult. And so of course you're going to plagiarize. It's like asking me, you know, when you're walking through the valley of the shadow of fear and thinking about God, how does God's presence make you feel? Well, I may say something about, well, I have no fear. Well, you accuse me of plagiarizing the First Amendment, the New Testament, which I would be because there's no. Nobody's asking for original thought. Anyway, putting that aside. Yeah, he plagiarizes like Crazy. Plus, he made all sorts of wild claims that they just accepted at face value that he raised almost $7 million for charity. He once ran 600 miles in six days, completing the challenge with a hairline fracture in his leg.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, wait a second. Where did this whole running feet thing come from out of the academic world?

[Joe Getty]

Well, because he's such an amazing, beautiful human being that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, so he's one of those people. He's like Joe Biden. He just did. All manners of different amazing things have happened.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, he's a fabulous, as they say. Turns out there's no proof that. And he had another one that he claimed he ran 30 marriage 30 marathons in 35 days and again raised something like $7 million. Turns out he raised somewhere around $1900, maybe in these two schemes. And there's no proof that Avery finished them or whatever. And that's. It's not that important. But here's the part that's really insidious.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, that, yeah, it's interesting as a personality quirk, but if you're a scholar on a certain area, whether or not you lie about how many marathons you run doesn't really matter to me.

[Joe Getty]

No, it's kind of a character thing. But if you can cure cancer. Curate, please. Well, on Wednesday, he finally resigned, saying it was the only way to move on from the accusation. Speculation, public commentary, quote. There comes a point when the personal cost becomes too great, he said, but here's what led up to it.

[Jack Armstrong]

The personal cost of your actions.

[Joe Getty]

When the allegations of his various, you know, confabulations and plagiarism first emerged, Cambridge stood by Our Day saying he was the victim of a racially motivated smear. On Wednesday, Cambridge said it launched a formal investigation after new information about his qualifications. Our Day's academic qualifications rose, except none of it was new. The tale of our day's rise and fall. I said his name is Jason R. Day. Yeah. Has dominated British headlines for weeks and become a lightning rod for debate over whether the professor was the victim of a racially motivated witch hunt or over promoted by a university eager to burnish a reputation for diversity. It's absolutely. Clearly the second one worth mentioning, probably when he was appointed, out of 23,000 professors in the UK. 23,000. There were 150 black professors. That's a really, really low number. What's the percentage of the population? I don't actually know that, but this academic who does a bunch of looking at plagiarism identified this guy as an absolute serial plagiar. Plagiarist. The backlash against him was absolutely feverish and severe. And all accused him of quote a. This is from Cambridge. After the allegations were picked up in the press. A vile smear campaign to undermine his credibility. Journalist at the Times, higher education magazine who probed the claims of plagiarism was reported by to the police by Art A. For alleged harassment. The Metropolitan police investigated but closed the case. A petition in his defense was put together by the progressive campaigning group the Good Law project, signed by 16,000 people, including the leader of the Green Party. When a distinguished black academic is repeatedly subjected to baseless allegations after being fully exonerated, not a single word of that is true. It signals are an attempt to undermine black people who hold positions of influence. And there's more to this story and some of the details are almost funny, but the takeaway to me is and I hate this. And Thomas Sowell has made this point over and over again, as have all sorts of my favorite thinkers who happen to be black. You walk into a young black doctor's office, you've got to think, is he here because of excellence or dei, a black academic? Are they that good or was it dei, a black. Virtually anything. If there's even though a whiff of progressivism about you've got to question their qualifications.

[Jack Armstrong]

And that's insidious.

[Joe Getty]

And I hate that this is so damaging. And the screaming that this is vicious racism when it turns out every single allegation was true. And a lot that you know, I haven't even mentioned are true too. And the fact that you're screeching at people that the only reason you're questioning him is because you're a racist, that does so much damage.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's so ugly. So he is not an expert or as good in the field that he is of a study that he claimed. But then he also has all this other external lifestyle stuff that made up.

[Joe Getty]

So he's got, he's a congenital liar. Yeah, he's got something wrong with his brain.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's one of those people that apparently get a thrill out of making up a story when there's no reason to make up a story which those of us who don't do that don't understand. Like, yeah, yeah, I, I, I would get no benefit whatsoever out of all of a sudden claiming I, I don't know would be a good idea. You know, I was a

[Joe Getty]

champion power

[Jack Armstrong]

lifter, a fantastic swimmer in high school, won many, many meets. I would get no enjoyment.

[Joe Getty]

I don't say I got tired of it. In college though, the constant practice. So I gave it up.

[Jack Armstrong]

But there's some people that they're built that way where they get some sort of charge out of making those stories up.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, oh, and he's been dropping LM bombs as well. Accusing anybody, accusing him of being a Lynch mobile. Oh, yeah, yeah. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you hate to see academics take a blow like that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, that's the Wall. Was it the Wall Street? Oh, the Free Press. There's an article about this by a writer academic who talks about a friend they have who's an exceptional scholar who can't get a job in academia. He's a white fella and he's got to wonder.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just saw somebody post this and I didn't fully understand it. Have you ever heard this before? It was on this story. That's why meritocracy is so important. And I'm a big believer in the whole meritocracy thing, especially at this point in history. Let's just have, let's, let's have places like that high school in the San Francisco Bay area that's always a national attention. Let's have some places where the very best, only the best are let in. I don't care if it's all Asian chicks or black dudes or whatever. Just someplace where the best go. It's good for all of us. Anyway, somebody said A's higher B's, B's higher C's. Have you ever heard that before? And what does that mean? I couldn't figure out what that meant.

[Joe Getty]

I could guess.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's why I believe in a meritocracy. As we all know, A's higher B's, B's higher C's. Is that stating what happens if you don't have a meritocracy?

[Joe Getty]

No, I think what they're saying is A students need people who are pretty bright but are workers and a little more street smart and all just they're B students. And maybe B students think, yeah, what we need are C students who are got to where they are because they work hard and they're conscientious and maybe they're not brainiacs, but I don't know. That's my best guess.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, I just said I've also heard

[Joe Getty]

that A students end up working for B students at companies owned by C students.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't doubt that a bit.

[Joe Getty]

There's a lot of truth to that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't doubt that.

[Joe Getty]

Because academia and success. Sorry, Mr. Obama. Are not the same thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

So before we take a break, just because we have a moment. Michael has been trying to get this clip on the show all week long.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

And we haven't gotten around to it. And he every. Every morning in our meeting before the show. I know it's surprising that we have a meeting before the show and it still turns out like this, but we have a meeting every day before the show, and he's been pitching this, and we haven't gotten around to it. So let's finally satisfy Michael. This must be really amazing. Do we need to know anything about clip 11 before you play it? No, I'm just gonna play it.

[Joe Getty]

It'll have to be explained afterwards.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

All right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Who does this?

[Commercial Announcer 2]

I just bought this box of Huggies

[Jack Armstrong]

from Target yesterday, and I don't know if this is a huggy problem or a Target problem, but there's no diapers in this. That's a blanket and plastic and a shirt. I'm four weeks postpartum, and now I have to lug my four week old and my 24 month old to Target. My husband's about to go to his night shift, which I'm already anxious about. My postpartum anxiety could not handle this.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, first of all, when your kid hits two years, just say two years. Don't say 24 months. I mean, when they're 17, are you gonna go with three, 500 months or what? I haven't done that. Okay. So apparently she bought a box of diapers from the Target, and it contained not diapers, but other crap. Yeah, that's correct.

[Jack Armstrong]

And what this is is a new shoplifting scheme. What they're doing is people are going

[Joe Getty]

in and they'll buy Pampers or something, and they go home, use them, but they keep the package, and they fill them with old clothes.

[Jack Armstrong]

So they're taking advantage of the return policy.

[Joe Getty]

Correct. And they take it to customer service. Some kid, you know, rings it up and they get the money back.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So many return policies have been ruined by scumbags.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to have the Target. My son actually worked customer service at Target for a while, and it taught him more about humanity than any university education ever could. Now he understands people and how awful they are. Target should not have earnest and polite young men. And he is one of them. It should have bouncers like a CD bar.

[Commercial Announcer 2]

And.

[Joe Getty]

And if you try to pull that stuff, you get hit in the head good and hard and hurled out onto the pavement. And take care of a lot of it

[Jack Armstrong]

now. Or 3 El Sayed, the guy that's the Democratic nominee for Senate up in Michigan. His challenge to the Republican Mike Rogers.

[Joe Getty]

It's going to be convert to Islam or be beheaded. No, different challenge.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's going to be an egg.

[Commercial Announcer 2]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's going to be an exciting three months, that race. I think it's going to have all the national attention, among other things on the way. Stay here.

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[Charity Lawson]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Moore told CNN he's so disgusted by

[Joe Getty]

Democratic politicians he's willing to get down

[Jack Armstrong]

on his knees and beg for DSA candidates to win. However, first he has to find his knees.

[Joe Getty]

That's fat joke there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Before I get to this interesting political commentary, I have two boys, so I don't know near as much, hardly anything actually about raising girls. I know nothing about. Why would I even pretend I know anything? I know nothing about raising girls. But I have teenage boys and I was taking my he's going to be a junior in high school here in like a week and him and his friends downtown last night and just riding in the truck with them, driving them downtown, listening to them talking, it was, you know, like straight out of a movie or a song. I mean the three of them, the, the, the effort you have to go to, to be, to show you're a cool part of the tribe person at that age is once you're old and out of it, almost humorous. But I it's job one, right? It is Job one. It's interesting. I mean, it is. It is the way they talk to each other. I mean, I don't hear him talk. He doesn't talk that way to me. But listening to them talk to each other, the way they talk to each other, using their teenager lingo and having to be so cool about everything all the time. What I was wondering, because I haven't had the experience, is there a female equivalent to that? Or do teenage girls do exactly the same thing with just slightly different verbiage?

[Joe Getty]

It is different because I'm thinking of that.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm thinking of Born to Run, the Springsteen song, and the boys try to look so hard. I mean, that's what was going on there.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. The desperation to belong has a different sound and feel to it, but it's absolutely there. It's just conformity and never ending compliments and, you know, then you say what you really think, you know, behind closed doors. But it's like practically obsessive pleasantness in some social circles or cynicism in others. But it's.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, it's a different flavor, all perfectly natural. I'm not criticizing any of this. It's just part of the deal.

[Joe Getty]

I did it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I did the same thing. And I was also thinking about just. They were so excited. All they were doing is going downtown and they're gonna walk around and, like, grab a piece of pizza at some point and then come home. And they were so happy and so excited. I mean, there's just. Is it ever like that in your life again? Maybe when you're 80, but I mean, it's just their level of being in the moment, for one thing. Maybe because you don't have the worries of being older in adulthood and everything like that, but it's just. I just sounds like I remember that. Just everything is. Right now. It's just a random Wednesday night. The three of us are gonna hang out and eat some cheap, crappy food together, and it is gonna be awesome.

[Joe Getty]

Speaking of being in the moment, unbelievable story about a guy who had to give up his cell phone habit because he went to prison. But there are all sorts of twists to the story. Super interesting. That's coming up. Stay with us, won't you? So was that the same trip with the poop on the sidewalk? It was.

[Jack Armstrong]

They didn't see that I was. I dropped them off and then I went to a little different part of my. Part of my town, and I was walking down the sidewalk and saw all the firefighters standing around a pile of human poo. I told that Story in hour two. If you missed it, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand. It's sort of thing that's charming all California towns pretty much.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah. Much more human feces about than in those fascist red states.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm guessing Mike Rogers, who's the Republican running for the Senate in Michigan, is hunkered down with a lot of advisors trying to figure out exactly how to handle this El Sayed dude in his various challenges that he's put out in the last 24 hours. We'll play some of those for you. He's good. He's good that El said so. This is gonna be fun to watch. This is gonna be like a master class in politics on both sides. Probably.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, he's like a master villain to me. He's brilliant but evil.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you miss a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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