Roiling the World!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand — "Roiling the World!"

Episode Summary (September 9, 2025)

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Overview

In this episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty dive into the issues that are truly "roiling the world," dispensing with media sensationalism to focus on what they see as urgent societal crises: the decline of American education, crime and public safety, global unrest (notably in Europe and Argentina), and the conversation-dominating Philadelphia "baseball Karen" viral moment. The hosts offer their signature mix of irreverence, skepticism toward the mainstream media, and personal anecdotes as they dissect the news cycle and challenge what really matters.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Matters, What Doesn’t ([01:28]–[03:08])

• Media Obsessions vs. Real Issues: Armstrong & Getty open by mocking media preoccupation with Donald Trump’s note to Jeffrey Epstein, contrasting this with what actually “roils the world” and impacts their concerns for their children’s future.
  • Jack Armstrong: “I legitimately worry about the world my kids have to figure out how to survive in... the Epstein drawing from Trump, it plays no role in my concerns...” [02:10]
• National Report Card & Education Decline: Jack highlights how, while legacy media dwell on political spectacle, the real headline is the continual fall of US student proficiency, as evidenced by new national assessment data.

2. Public School System Failing [03:08–04:14]

• Long-Term Decline: Both hosts express alarm at a decade-plus drop in student scores, dismissing the pandemic as the sole reason.
  • Jack Armstrong: “It's down 10, 10 points over a decade and a half... just keeps going down, down, down. This time, it can be attributed to Covid. Although if you look at the trendline, it was going down at the same rate before.” [03:08]
  • Joe Getty: “Our government schools are a miserable, corrupt failure, period.” [03:41]

3. Crime, Justice & the “Soft-on-Crime” Culture [04:44–06:09]

• A discussion about rising violent crime trends, high-profile homicide cases (like the Charlotte murder), and failures to incarcerate dangerous individuals.
  • Joe Getty: “If you were to speak aloud the de facto, the actual policy... it would be, let people offend and hurt people up to any level until they murder someone. Then when they murder someone, put them away... that's the effective policy. And that's... horrifying.” [05:04]
  • Armstrong shares a personal family experience with violent crime and frustration over habitual offenders being released.

4. Europe & Global Political Shifts [07:09–08:40]

• Elections as Backlash: The hosts point to ongoing turmoil in Europe—particularly France and Argentina—relating to unsustainable entitlements, border failures, and ineffective education.
  • Jack Armstrong: “France... you get to retire at 50 and take 11 weeks of vacation every year... He was trying to end that and the punchline... as bad as France's [debt] is, it's better than ours.” [07:45]
  • Joe Getty discusses President Milei’s challenges in Argentina: “Even though he's saved the economy... people are like, nah, I liked it better when I was getting handouts.” [07:54]
• Implication is dissatisfaction with establishment policies is prompting electoral shakeups worldwide.

5. Supreme Court Ruling & Immigration Enforcement [08:40–09:39, 21:30–34:36]

• Legal Confusion Clarified: Jack asks Joe to break down a recent Supreme Court “emergency order” on immigration checks in LA, cutting through conflicting media narratives.
  • Jack Armstrong: “So I'm walking down the street, I'm brown, I got an accent, now the cops can just frisk me...?” [27:02]
  • Joe Getty: “No, not really.... What the court did was issue an emergency order staying the injunction, meaning while this works its way through the courts, you can continue doing this.” [27:13]
  • Discussion covers the practicalities and ethics of immigration enforcement and the rhetoric on both sides.
  • Joe Getty: “Blinding the government to the actual characteristics of the illegal immigrant population... elevates theory over practical reality…” [29:22]
  • Jack Armstrong: “You don't want to live in a world where if you're black, you get pulled over just because you're black... On the other hand, it is obviously ridiculous that you can't show up to a work site...” [31:05]

6. Viral “Phillies Baseball Karen” Incident ([13:11]–[25:00])

• The viral video of a woman aggressively confronting a father and son over a home run ball at a Phillies game is dissected at length for its cultural resonance.
  • Story Recap: [16:08]–[17:02]
    • “A man comes over... grabs [the ball] off the ground, walks it back to his son... Phillies Karen walks right over... grabs his arm, tries to get his attention, and just starts scolding him. ‘You took my ball. How dare you, acting all entitled.’” — Jensen Raider [16:08]
    • The father, facing a belligerent stranger, hands over the ball to de-escalate.
  • Hosts’ Critique:
    • Joe Getty: “You gave into a bully in front of your son. Here, son, here’s what you do if somebody wants to take what’s yours unjustifiedly: you give it to them and cower. Good lesson.” [17:55]
    • Jack Armstrong: “You as a dude showed your son that some woman can come up and yell at you and take what she wants from you. I mean, what the hell is that?” [18:14]
    • The pair question the practicality and values of “de-escalation” in this setting versus standing up to bullies.
  • Aftermath/Social Media: The father and son are invited to the World Series by a sponsor, triggering further riffing about viral fame, internet mobbing, and society’s appetite for public shaming.
    • “I just don’t want to go viral... People are calling my work and figuring out where I live... over one of these stories.” — Jack Armstrong [25:00]

7. Media, Virality, and Selective Outrage ([13:24]–[19:57])

• Headlines are run through, with both hosts poking at media obsession with matters they view as trivial (Epstein/Trump, viral videos, climate change’s effect on sugar intake, etc.) vs. under-reported issues (crime, schooling).
  • “Global warming is driving up Americans' sugar intake,” is dismissed as “the most idiotic story of the day.” [13:58]
  • Ongoing media focus on Trump/Epstein is roundly mocked as well:
    • Joe Getty: “The only thing that is even slightly interesting to me about [the Trump-Epstein letter] is Trump’s denials. I mean, because... who cares?” [02:40]
    • Jack Armstrong: “If I could get a filter on my TV and radio and Internet so that I don’t hear any more about it—where do I sign up for that?” [41:29]

8. Sociopolitical Climate & Expectations ([36:42]–[40:01])

• Joe shares a quote from Somerset Maugham: “It's a funny thing about life: if you refuse to accept anything but the best, you very often get it.” [36:42]
• The hosts lament the “soft bigotry of low expectations” in society, especially within education and regarding discourse standards.
• Anecdotes about how quickly discourse now turns ugly, both online and in person.
  • “At our current pace, I give it two years before ‘What? Oh my God, how stupid are you? ... Okay, I’ll call you back later. Love you too, Mom’ is routine.” — Listener Robert [38:49]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It's a disaster. K U N T R E E, country.” — Joe Getty, spelling out how disastrous the state of American education is [04:14]
• “If you can't name the problem, you're never going to fix it.” — Joe Getty on education policy [03:54]
• “You gave into a bully in front of your son. ... Good lesson. Beautiful.” — Joe Getty on the Phillies baseball incident [17:55]
• “I want to make sure this doesn’t ever happen to me... I just don’t want to go viral.” — Jack Armstrong on public shaming cycles [25:00]
• “Blinding the government to the actual characteristics of the illegal immigrant population... elevates theory over practical reality...” — Joe Getty on immigration enforcement [29:22]
• “I'm a conscientious objector. I'm not even going to talk about not talking about it anymore. That's how strongly I feel.” — Joe Getty on the Trump/Epstein coverage [41:23]

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Important Timestamps

• [01:28] Main theme kickoff: What really matters in the news cycle
• [02:40] Media fixation on Epstein/Trump vs. real concerns
• [03:08] National Report Card and education decline
• [04:44] Violent crime & criminal justice failures
• [07:09] European and Argentine political turmoil
• [08:40] Supreme Court immigration ruling explained (detailed revisit at [27:02])
• [13:11] Phillies “Baseball Karen” viral saga begins
• [16:08] Play-by-play of the viral incident, analysis, and social ramifications
• [27:02] Deep-dive: Supreme Court, immigration, and reasonable suspicion
• [36:42] Sociopolitical climate, expectations, and the Maugham quote

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Tone & Style

• Sarcastic, irreverent, and straightforward
• Signature blend of humor and concern
• Highlights hypocrisy, exaggeration, and misfocus in public conversation

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For New Listeners

This episode of Armstrong & Getty functions as a state-of-society rant—a critique of U.S. priorities in politics, public safety, education, and the media. If you want a no-holds-barred (and sometimes over-the-top) perspective on what’s wrong with the status quo, with moments of self-deprecation and banter, this is the place.

Transcript

[Jensen Raider]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio.

[Commercial Announcer]

Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm Strong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here I'm strong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Live from Studio C, senor. It's a dimly lit room deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Giddy communications compound. And hey, y'. All, on Tuesday, we're under the tutelage.

[Joe Getty]

Of our general manager. It was almost going to be Europe because Europe is falling apart. I mean really falling apart. But instead, this is a rare bird. It is a negative general manager.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know what that means.

[Joe Getty]

It's an imaginary number. It's antimatter.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Today's general manager is not Trump's freaking note to Jeffrey Epstein.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, with the drawing. Yes.

[Joe Getty]

It's anything but that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Funny you would say that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is not on my mind as important topics that are roiling the world that I'm concerned about my kids going out into having to live in a world where whatever's happening with Jeffrey Epstein, I don't know that that doesn't play a role in my life. That's funny you would say that. I, I mean, because I, I legitimately worry about the world my kids have to figure out how to survive in. And, and this, this thing, the Epstein, the drawing from Trump, it plays no role in my concerns about how my kids will do in the world.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and I'm looking, I mean, the New York Times, obviously, it's like top of the fold. It's, it's the number, number one story and then end the number two story and the Number three story in the New York Times is various facets of that damn letter. And the only thing that is even slightly interesting to me about it is Trump's denials. I mean, because. So he hung with the dude and he was asked to give him a little birthday note. He wrote one who cares?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting because on Fox, their lead story today is our national report card came out. We only put it out every however many years where they do a national assessment of kids and their reading proficiency and math proficiency. And we're down again, as it has been going down for a very, very long dime. It's down 10, 10 points over a decade and a half or something like that just keeps going down, down, down. This time it can be attributed to Covid. Although if you look at the trend line, it was going down at the same rate before COVID So I'm not sure that makes a difference.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, no. Our government schools are a miserable, corrupt failure, period.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, in the mainstream media spin is. And this at a time when the Trump administration is cut staffing at the Education Department.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. If you can't name the problem, you're never going to fix it.

[Jack Armstrong]

How. Yeah, it's frustrating. Well, I don't want to use all my ammunition on this because I have a lot of things to say about this because my kids are in school and I do care about this. And even my kids weren't in school. That is what's going to educate the next generation of people running this country. And it is a disaster.

[Joe Getty]

It's a freaking disaster country. K U N T R E E country.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or worse ways to spell it. But what was the other story I wanted to mention real quick?

[Joe Getty]

I just watched.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just heard it before I walked in Europe.

[Joe Getty]

Grim stuff. Is it grim or.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, it wasn't a grim thing. We do need to talk.

[Joe Getty]

Viral baseball moment.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, we do have to talk about that.

[Joe Getty]

So much attention around the country. And yes, the grim Charlotte murder. We'll discuss that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that just in general, the national trend of when somebody shows you who they are, believe them. When somebody shows you they're a violent lunatic, lock them freaking up.

[Joe Getty]

Right. But a lot of, a lot of.

[Jack Armstrong]

Places around the country, we don't do that. And it's horrifying.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I know. It is absolutely horrifying. It's unsupportable by morality, by. By data. It's just, it's a horrible, stupid policy. If you were to speak aloud, the de facto, the actual policy that so much the left follows, it would be let people Offend and hurt people up to any level until they murder someone. Then when they murder someone, put them away, let them maim, let them cut, let them stab, let them batter, let them terrorize, let them do anything but murder. That's the effective policy. And that's. It's horrifying.

[Jack Armstrong]

It really is. And my family assaulted by a homeless dude years ago. I won't tell that whole story again. But the guy had done horrible, horrible, horrible things. Much worse things. Well, he almost did it does. But much worse things to other people in other places. And he was loose.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I mean, why, why do we do.

[Jack Armstrong]

This kind of a, kind of a structure of society is that. It's nuts.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, it is. It's literally nuts. The expected outcome is completely disconnected from reality of those policies. Anyway, the good news is, if there is good news is that the trend line on that sort of policy around the world and wide open borders, for instance, and miserable failures of the education systems, people aren't putting up with it anymore now whether the ship will be turned around before it hits the iceberg or not. And maybe that's the wrong metaphor, I don't know. But I was just reading about a couple of different elections in Europe, which I mentioned earlier, and those are all born of the miserable, miserable failures of wide open borders. And in a related story, failed educational systems. And the elite keeps telling everybody, shut up, don't even talk about it. We're gonna punish you for talking about it in the immigration case. And people have had enough.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, the president of France, who just lost his job was trying to rein in their whole you get to retire at 50 and take 11 weeks of vacation every year lifestyle that doesn't work as a society. He was trying to end that and the punchline to that story and then.

[Joe Getty]

So just rein it in a little bit.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And he's like several governments in a row that have tried in France to reign in the we spend more than we take in, we can't keep doing this, have gotten booted. So they're not willing to get serious yet.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And. And the punchline to that story is their debt to GDP ratio is better than ours. As bad as Francis is, it's better than ours.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. And in Argentina, old, my, my hero Milei, he just lost his party, just lost some critical like regional elections. So he's going to be now facing a hostile Congress. And you know, I don't know exactly how their system works, but. And, and the long story short is people got used to the sort of largess like we're talking about in France. And even though he's saved the economy, he's turned the country around, he's ended the hyperinflation and the rest of it. People are like, nah, I liked it better when I was getting handouts. And of course the. The cronies who benefit from socialism, they. They can't end this free market soon enough. So, yeah, he's really up against it. It's. It's tough.

[Jack Armstrong]

I remembered what it is that I needed. I need this from you. You considered going to law school.

[Joe Getty]

I did.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which gives you.

[Joe Getty]

I filled out forms, Jack, which gives.

[Jack Armstrong]

You a leg up on me because I never even thought about it. On discussing the law, you've got to describe what the supreme court did and didn't say yesterday around this whole illegal immigration thing because, I mean, said it's.

[Joe Getty]

Okay to jail brown people.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's my understanding of it because I'm.

[Joe Getty]

Hearing so many different ABC news.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm hearing so many different confer. Confusing versions. I need this. I need this laid out for me.

[Joe Getty]

So I tell you precisely what they ruled and with the words of none other than justice Kavanaugh, who explained it quite beautifully.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cool. At the bottom of the hour, we will get into that. Let's start the show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is Tuesday. We call it little around here. September 9th, the year 2025, where Armstrong and getting. We approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

The control room is telling me Justice Kavanaugh actually did go to law school. Hmm. Okay. Probably thinks he's better than me. All right, let's begin the show officially. Now, according to FCC rules and regs. Here we go at mark switching gears.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

New slimmer model of the iPhone called.

[Jack Armstrong]

The iPhone air, which is better than.

[Joe Getty]

Its Original name Phone zpic.

[Jack Armstrong]

A new slimmer iPhone. Slimmer as in dep, I assume.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, finally. I mean, this thing's thick as a brick. It's actually not thick at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. But I got a new kindle or my first kindle ever, I guess.

[Joe Getty]

The.

[Jack Armstrong]

The Kindle, whatever. It is supposed to look like paper. Anyway, I've been reading, doing my Ulysses that I'm still fighting my way through reading it on that. I'm like, you know, that thing weighs nothing. It's as if it doesn't exist. And I was thinking about and which makes it very handy for holding it on a plane or in bed or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

It has no weight.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I was thinking, how do they do this. How do they make it house or anything in there? Feels like you're holding nothing. I wonder how light the new iPhone will be. Very exciting. I know I struggled to get the iPhone out of my pocket today. Up the stairs into the heavy right.

[Joe Getty]

Have this trap it to your back like a refrigerator mover.

[Jack Armstrong]

I use a dolly sometimes to move my iPhone around the house. We all will get to headlines and a bunch of other stuff on the way. Here's our text line 415 we'll check in on that national report card for our schools. It ain't good. Our text line is 415295KFTC Armstrong and.

[Jensen Raider]

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[Jack Armstrong]

We want to get right to headlines today because at the end of it, we're going to discuss maybe the most important story in America. Based on my social media feed, the Phillies baseball. Karen, we'll get to that. This segment.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, absolutely. The story everyone's talking about. All right, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story. Jensen Raider filling in for Katie Green. Jensen, what's happening?

[Jensen Raider]

Yes, good morning. Today in the Washington Post, House committee releases more ebbs documents including birthday book.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God, the amount. I mean, they went so big on this on MSNBC last night. Okay, all right. I don't know if you all think this is important. Fine.

[Jensen Raider]

It's in a lot of the main.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know.

[Jensen Raider]

Today, I know.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. It's the lead story in the New York Times as we were discussing and.

[Jensen Raider]

This one out of Scripps News. Global warming is driving up Americans sugar intake. Take steady finds.

[Joe Getty]

No, it's not warming more sugar y. Okay, well, our most idiotic story of the day nominations are now closed.

[Jensen Raider]

And good luck.

[Joe Getty]

You know, at some point perhaps you could share with us their idiotic reasoning. But it doesn't need to be.

[Jack Armstrong]

I had a donut yesterday and I thought to myself, there you go, global warming, Right.

[Jensen Raider]

It's just so hot. Donut.

[Joe Getty]

I see the ocean levels in Fiji and I just can't turn down a lollipop.

[Jensen Raider]

Right. And then good luck finding this in any of the mainstream sources today. This one is from the Washington Times. Stabbing death of Ukrainian refugee by Mad Men brings focus to Trump's anti crime agenda.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, well, an anti progressive prosecutor's agenda that's, you know, sweeping the nation. Thank goodness.

[Jack Armstrong]

We'll get into this in depth later. If you're not up on the story already, you probably are.

[Jensen Raider]

And then this one from the Daily Caller. Democrats pick to lead the new J6 committee thinks incident was on par with 9, 11 and Pearl Harbor.

[Joe Getty]

No, it wasn't. There's a new committee.

[Jensen Raider]

Yes, it is being led by Hakeem Jeffries and the Democratic California Republic. Eric Swalwell he's the one that said that the January 6th attack was. Was on par with those two events.

[Jack Armstrong]

A new committee to find out what. I'll have to look into that.

[Jensen Raider]

Okay, this one from the Washington Post. Prolific alien invaders threaten waters in the West. It's muscles.

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Oh, invasive muscles.

[Joe Getty]

Not as exciting as, like the tentacled ray gun shooting freaks from outer space, but it's a problem.

[Jensen Raider]

And then finally, from the Babylon Be Trump deports Phillies Karen to El Salvador prison.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now I want to hear this.

[Joe Getty]

Finally.

[Jack Armstrong]

You say you've been on this story a lot. I have not followed. I've watched a video. I want to hear a woman explain what the video is, what happens in this story.

[Jensen Raider]

So there is a home run hit in the back. Grandstands it from my point of view, from multiple cameras. It hit the ground. It did not go to anyone in particular. A man comes over from a couple seats over, grabs it off the ground, walks it back to his son who was having a birthday, puts it in the son's glove. They're having a hug and embrace. This Phillies. Karen walks right over to him, grabs his arm, tries to get his attention and just starts scolding him. You took my ball. How dare you, acting all entitled. He immediately squares up. He puts two fists up and like. To this one, because she just.

[Joe Getty]

In a very girlish and weird way, but. Go on.

[Jensen Raider]

Yes, yes. But he. She just came charging at him and he squared up and she just starts going. She takes. He takes the ball back, gives it to her and kind of brushes her off like. Go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

He gave her the ball.

[Jensen Raider]

He gave her the ball.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Jensen Raider]

Her away.

[Joe Getty]

A lot of people.

[Jensen Raider]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Including. I tell you what, our. Damn it. Now we're into it. Now we're into it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Gave her the ball. I haven't seen 34, Michael.

[Joe Getty]

This is Bill Malluchin of Fox News talking to this. This limp wrist. Dad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You ultimately decided to give her that ball back.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I've been reading some of the interviews.

[Joe Getty]

Interviews you've done.

[Jack Armstrong]

You want to, you know, teach son a lesson on de escalation, which I.

[Joe Getty]

Think is a great lesson to teach these days. What. Do you have any regrets about giving.

[Jack Armstrong]

It back to her, though? No. I think the world could use a little extra de escalation.

[Joe Getty]

Every.

[Jack Armstrong]

Everything's so tense. The world is pretty crazy.

[Joe Getty]

And.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't want to do anything like that in front of my son or on camera. Anything like what? It was tough giving the ball back, but it. It ended that situation.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You gave into a bully in front of your son. Here, son, here's what you do. If somebody wants to take what's yours unjustifiedly, you give it to him and cower. Good lesson. Beautiful.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and I mean I hate to.

[Joe Getty]

Make this off, lady. It's a loose ball. Go away from me or I'll have you thrown out of the stadium. That's what a man would have said. Sir, I don't want to make it.

[Jack Armstrong]

A gender thing either. But you not only or just blanket non gender specific gave in to a bully. But you as a dude showed your son that some woman can come up and yell at you and take what she wants from you. I mean, what the hell is that?

[Joe Getty]

I want to give a lesson in de escalation.

[Jack Armstrong]

So. So Jensen said it looked like the ball is going nowhere. Is it looked the same to you? Like it was just a loose ball? It wasn't.

[Joe Getty]

It's just a loose ball. Yeah. 100.

[Jack Armstrong]

I mean I've seen enough of these throughout my life. Even if it bounced straight to her, hit her hands and then went up.

[Joe Getty]

Three rows, that person gets it.

[Jack Armstrong]

You didn't catch it, right?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So it was kind of near her seat. So she believed that was her ball and started cussing the guy out. I mean, just go ahead, give me 33. Michael Phyllis in. What did she say to you?

[Jack Armstrong]

Or what was she screaming at you when she first ran up to you? I can't even repeat that on air. She very vulgar screaming right in my ear that you know a lot of bad words and then that's my ball. That's enough of that. Well, does she have a machete or she. Is she like that chick from the Mandalorian or something like that? I mean, she looked like she'd beat your ass.

[Joe Getty]

Finally, here's the grief stricken boy who is going to grow up without a father, apparently. Lincoln, what were your thoughts while this.

[Jack Armstrong]

Was all going on?

[Joe Getty]

At first, when he got the ball, I saw him walking over. I was really, really excited because that was the first home run ball we've ever gotten and it was his birthday. But then the lady came over and then I didn't see her coming either. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the only thing I have seen is the dad. As soon as she comes over, the dad like does this the most unmanly freak out because this mad chick in the front of her poor guy.

[Joe Getty]

I'm not gonna name and shame this guy. You know, the chick initiated it. But I do find myself wondering who actually impregnated his wife. Man up, America. She money Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

In a second, we'll get to how the Supreme Court has given the go ahead for cops to frisk all brown people. That's why I understand it's been told to me by msnbc.

[Joe Getty]

Quite right. But yeah, more on that.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we just did the Phillies Karen story. We got this text. That guy reacting to Phillies Karen looked like Jack taking off his jacket. I remember that story from last year where my kids pointed out that I take off my coat like a girl and turns out I do. So the follow up is apparently Camping World. This is one of your big RVing things. Around the country have offered dad and son World Series tickets and they're gonna pick them up in an RV and take them to the World Series to try to deal with the pain of dad being a wuss, I guess.

[Joe Getty]

Well, they ought to give that kid the World Series tickets and said dad to a fashion show. He ought to be banned from Major League Baseball for life.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, okay, just, just for the sake of the argument, I can't believe Fox went along with the and you're teaching the son a lesson in de escalation. All right, you can call it that. If, if somebody says give me your lunch money and you just say here, that is de escalating to a certain extent. But yeah, what if it's a big crazy looking dude with that. I would kill you for this look in his eyes.

[Joe Getty]

I think you, you, you give it to him to avoid violence to yourself and your son. I mean that's, that's, it's not worth Taking a beating over?

[Jack Armstrong]

No.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, because if you're dealing with somebody completely irrational who has the physical capability of doing serious damage. I mean, it's. It's unfortunate, but. And. And I think what happened in this case would happen. The world would see it. The Internet would beat the crap out of the guy who did it, as they are beating the crap out of the woman who's doing it, apparently who did it, and try to make things right by doing something generous for them.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think my. If I was by myself, I might give the ball to a dude if I thought he was a crazy lunatic. I don't think my pride would let me do it in front of my son. I think I would go ahead and fight.

[Joe Getty]

I just don't think I could. Yeah. I'm trying to picture at what point I would give it over, and I can't find that point unless the guy was actually wailing on my head, and then, you know, I'd probably try to hit him with it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fights in public places, the security gets there before it gets too crazy. You'll be all right.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, you're right.

[Joe Getty]

Now that I'm, like, playing out the scenario in my head, I can't figure out at what point. I mean, if he had a gun, I'd give it to him, but.

[Jack Armstrong]

So this woman comes up, and he sh. He physically recoils and his hands shake and kind of like a sitcom sort of, ah, don't hurt me sort of way, which is. Oh, the worst look I've ever seen. That's just so. I'm embarrassed for the poor dude.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I know. I know. And that's why I. I hate that, you know, his name is out there and everything. But they're doing press. He's doing press with his son and all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, who's. Who's the Internet roasting? More her, Phyllis, Karen, or him?

[Joe Getty]

I'm. I'm just aware of them roasting her, but I think she. Again, she initiated the ugliness, but he did not exactly cover himself in glory, as the saying goes.

[Jack Armstrong]

She's a lunatic, clearly. Yeah. And so she's been attacked by the Internet, and they've gone after her workplace and all the things that happen, you know, in the modern world.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just. I don't want to be. I want to make sure this doesn't ever happen to me in any way. I don't care what the scenario is. I just don't want to go viral to where people are, like, calling my work and figuring out where I live and all that sort of stuff over one of these stories. I just don't want to be involved. And everybody with their opinions. Ah, is that the Andy Warhol everybody be famous for 15 minutes. Everybody's going to get to go viral at some point in their lives in the future and you'll be the focus for a full 24 hour period of the nation.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Luckily there aren't enough days in the year to include everybody, so I'm hoping that misses me, you know, to unfortunately make this slightly serious. I've been sitting on a couple of stories for a while, hoping to get to them eventually. But you remember the kid who was roundly condemned for wearing blackface when it was a dark green, like, acne mask? And he was, he was expelled from his private school, kicked off the football team. Wow. Even though everybody knew he wasn't, quote, unquote, Quote, unquote in blackface, but they just, they were so afraid of.

[Jack Armstrong]

My God, you got to be kidding.

[Joe Getty]

No. And you may remember a story where people's testicles.

[Jack Armstrong]

Where are your testicles?

[Joe Getty]

Well, this was in the Black Lives Matter. George Floyd, Everybody's terrified. But that, that, that doesn't excuse cowardice to me. Not at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's weak.

[Joe Getty]

And then there was another story in Evanston, Illinois, where they found a noose at a school and some little lad was blamed for it. Wasn't his fault at all. And these guys now, it's years on and it still haunts them. People still figure out, like woke people that that's. You still consider them guilty of it. They pray an employer or a college doesn't see their name because then they've got to go through the whole thing of explaining it again. And so, yeah, that sort of infamy can follow you around Even if you're 100% innocent, which is not good.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I'm walking down the street, I'm brown, I got an accent, now the cops can just frisk me, according to the Supreme Court. Is that the deal?

[Joe Getty]

Exactly? No, not really. So this has to do with the Trump administration illegal immigration crackdown in la. There was a district judge, some would suggest they were a little rogue, little progressive, is a Biden appointee, for what it's worth, who said he issued an injunction that you saying essentially you can't use people's accent or appearance or the sort of work they're doing to ask them about their immigration status because that would be unconstitutional discrimination. And what the court did was issue an emergency order staying the injunction, meaning While this works its way through the courts, you can continue doing this. And it was issued without an official explanation, but, oh, and Sotomayor went nuts.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a 6:3 ruling.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can tell you that on your lefty cable news channels, they're treating it like a Dred Scott decision sort of level mistake by the Supreme Court. Six three, rogue Trump court. They're quoting Kavanaugh saying something about it's a minor inconvenience to have to get out your papers and show that you're a U.S. citizen as being awful.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Just to give you the full story on this. And again, it's not a Dred Scott level anything because it's just staying an injunction temporarily as it works its way through the courts anyway. The government wanted to and was stopping people and asking about their status on the basis of four factors. One, presence at a particular location, such as bus stop, car wash, day labor, pickup site, agricultural site, the like. Two, the type of work one does. Three, speaking Spanish or speaking English with an accent, and four, apparent race or ethnicity. Justice Sotomayor went crazy harping on agents wearing masks and carrying weapons, none of which had anything to do with the lawfulness of the stops. But she sees the seized and ranted.

[Jack Armstrong]

You said lawfulness or awfulness?

[Joe Getty]

Awful lawfulness.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

Has nothing to do with the lawfulness of the stops. Yeah. She says this decision is yet another grave misuse of our emergency docket. We should not have to live in a country where the government can seize anyone who looks Latino, speak Spanish, and appears to work a low wage job, et cetera, et cetera. So Kavanaugh emphasized that blinding the government to the actual characteristics of the illegal immigrant population in LA elevates theory over practical reality in ways that no law enforcement agency can afford to do. And he explained, About 10% of the people in the LA region are illegally in the United states, meaning about 2 million illegal immigrants out of a total population 20 million. Not surprisingly, given those extraordinary numbers, US immigration officers have prioritized. You know, La, the government sometimes makes brief investigative stock to check the immigration status of those who gather in locations where people are hired for day jobs. And he explains some examples, blah, blah, blah, blah. To stop an individual for brief questioning about immigration status, the government must have reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. reasonable suspicion is a lesser requirement than probable cause. Whether an officer has reasonable suspicion depends on the totality of the circumstances. And here those circumstances include that there is an extremely high number and percentage of illegal immigrants in the LA area. That those individuals tend to gather in certain locations. It's widely known that those individuals often work in certain kinds of jobs. He lists them and that do not require paperwork and especially attractive to illegal immigrants, blah, blah, blah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it's really interesting because, like, for instance, you don't want to live in a world where if you're black, you get pulled over just because you're black. And because more black people, there's a higher percentage of black people committing crime than white people. So we're going to pull over. Everybody's black. You don't want, you don't want to live in that world.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And we don't. And there's been all kinds of rulings to make sure that won't happen. On the other hand, it is obviously ridiculous that you can't show up to a work site. Well, it'd be. You'd be pretending if you're, if you're just gonna randomly show up to a work site as opposed to a pharmacy, you're gonna show up to a construction site and, and people who speak only Spanish. It's just, you're gonna pretend that it's not because this is construction and you don't speak a lick of English.

[Joe Getty]

You're right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Clearly speak Spanish. That I'm just, I'm gonna treat you the same way as the, the white English speaking dude at the pharmacy, at the cvs. I mean, it's just crazy.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So one of the guys who brought this suit, it's a sympathetic story. The guy's an American citizen, Hispanic descent. They asked him, where were you born? He said, la. They said, what hospital? He said, I don't know, I don't remember. So they threw him up against the fence and cuffed him and everything.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know what hospital I was born at either. Yeah, so the town, but I don't know the hospital well.

[Joe Getty]

Right. So this guy says he was thrown up against the fence, he was cuffed, he was questioned, and they never returned his id, even after they cleared him and said, okay, that's not good. No, it's not good at all. On the other hand, you know, that might be a question of the way the job is being done as opposed to who is being questioned and that sort of thing. But anyway, again, this is not a Supreme Court decision. This is staying an injunction and it'll all get worked out. A quick word, speaking of working things out. You want your loved ones to know your wishes for your stuff, your estate, your money. You've been putting this off because it Sounds complicated and expensive. Get security and peace of mind by making an estate plan. Now with trust and will, you can create and manage that custom estate plan starting at just 199 bucks.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Just awful. I'm flapping my arms like that guy who gave away the baseball descent to the 6:3 decision over this thing. We should read some of that maybe a little bit later, but. So the three dissenting votes I assume were Sotomayor, Jackson and what's her name?

[Joe Getty]

Kagan.

[Jack Armstrong]

Kagan. Okay, so it was the, it was that 6:3 breakdown. Okay. The part that's left out of almost all coverage is what you've been emphasizing. The fact that it's not so much a ruling as a stay to let it work its way through the courts.

[Joe Getty]

Right, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And it's worth mentioning, just was reminded that this yesterday, the six three rulings with the conservatives ganging up against the poor three liberals, progressives. That was 10% of the cases the Supreme Court heard last session. 10%. There were almost five times as many that were unanimous. But the lying, lying media will never tell you that.

[Jack Armstrong]

So the nation's report card for our schools came out today. We'll take a look at that in hour two. We've got Mailbag next, Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Details just coming out. Israel has struck the Hamas headquarters in Qatar rocket strike in Qatar and the Qataris are not happy about it in its capital Doha. And yeah, you got some smoking buildings in downtown Doha, so more details on that to come. It just happened.

[Joe Getty]

Here's your freedom loving quote of the day Continuing our series of British writers, this W Somerset mom who said It's a funny thing about life if you refuse to accept anything but the best, you very often get it. I I like that one especially because I just read an absolutely fabulous piece of writing which I'll share with you later from a guy who actually went in with his people and fixed schools and got achievement and raised achievement and knows precisely how to do it and the education establishment has no interest in it. And one of the key aspects of what he said is no soft bigotry of low expectations. Little black kids can learn as well as anybody else, so let's teach them and they learned. But he's being ignored. Completely ignored.

[Jack Armstrong]

A Somerset mom quote.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, Razor's Edge.

[Jack Armstrong]

One of my all time favorite books.

[Joe Getty]

Classy. Yeah, yeah. Mailbag. Drop us a Note [e-mail] so John is writing on why the Armstrong and Getty Reddit thing got banned. Problem wasn't with ang fans or content. It came down to how the subreddit was run. The moderators had a reputation for being rude and inconsistent with the rules. Really frustrating a lot of listeners. And the breaking point came when a random spam account started flooding the subreddit with posts 30 to 60 times a day. Pushing some watch free NFL games website.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. Anyway, that's annoying. Well, I hope it can. I hope it comes back and it works for y'. All. Those of you who are on the Armstrong and Getty Reddit page or Facebook.

[Joe Getty]

Page, start a new one or something I guess. I think you can do that. We are talking about how coarse and angry rhetoric is becoming in, you know, not only in politics, on tv, social media, but in real life. I've noticed just at a meeting yesterday that turned ugly. Not Real ugly, but uncomfortably ugly pretty quickly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Let's see. Loyal listener Robert writes conversation regarding the coarsening discourse today gave me pause to wonder how bad it might become. Could this conversation be routine in the future? What? Oh, my God. How stupid are you? You're better off letting people think you're effing brain dead than hearing you speak. What? Okay, I'll call you back later. Love you too, Mom. At our current pace, I give it two years to get there.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. A scenario we do not want to. Oh, my Lord.

[Joe Getty]

That would be to this mother. Can you imagine? Let's see. On the topic of music videos, Hillbilly Jess says, apparently y' all don't get out much. Just wanted to let you know, music videos are still quite popular. A lot of people, young people, have them on the TV as background @ parties. Not only that, many of them are absolutely stunning cinematically. I've seen some in bars and restaurants.

[Jack Armstrong]

Where do you want.

[Joe Getty]

Really? Every new popular song is a cool video that goes with it. Most of them are on Vevo, which can be found on YouTube. And, you know, it's funny she mentioned that I totally forgot when we were discussing that barber shop I used to go to until they annoyed me. Runs music videos all the time on a big tv and the tunes are going in there.

[Jack Armstrong]

My sons are young people and they've never mentioned a video ever. I've never heard anybody mention a video.

[Joe Getty]

But ask if they're hip to vivo, because that was the service that was running in the barbershop. And this is kind of interesting from frequent correspondent Paolo. Um, he's. He says the mainstream media seems to re. Be reporting the Epstein Trump birthday letter as a tabloid would report gossip. He agrees with me, us that there's just nothing there. Everybody knows the two palled around occasionally prior to the child molestation stuff and. And then Trump never spoke to the guy again. Everybody knows this. Anyway, uh, he says I commented to that effect on the Wall Street Journal story a visual breakdown of the Trump birthday letter to Epstein, which goes into it in great detail. The comment was rejected in the attached message because it violates community guidelines. My best guess is that they considered saying that the story belonged in the tabloids to be disrespectful, which is one of their no nos, but it's the comment section. Um, and it got me wondering, are there people who actually believe that speech like that comment should be suppressed because it's disrespectful or hateful or. I think there might be.

[Jack Armstrong]

I do not get the Epstein story and I haven't from the beginning. Just don't understand.

[Joe Getty]

I'm a conscientious objector. I'm not even going to talk about not talking about it anymore. That's how strongly I feel.

[Jack Armstrong]

If I could get a filter on my TV and my radio and my Internet so that I don't hear any more about it. Where do I sign up for that?

[Joe Getty]

A chip implanted in your brain?

[Jack Armstrong]

Does webroot do that? More on the way.

[Joe Getty]

Stay with us Armstrong and Getty Time.

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[Joe Getty]

Years.

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