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Joe Getty
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Variety Host / Cynthia Littleton
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Variety Host / Cynthia Littleton
Featuring the iconic journalists of Variety and hosted by co Editor in Chief Cynthia Littleton.
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Jack Armstrong
The only constant in Hollywood is change.
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Open your free iHeartradio app, search daily Variety and listen now.
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Jacob Goldstein
This is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? When you buy business software from lots of vendors. The costs add up and it gets complicated and confusing. Odoo solves this. It's a single company that sells a suite of enterprise apps that handles everything from accounting to inventory to sales. Odoo is all connected on a single platform in a simple and affordable way. You can save money without missing out on the features. You need to check out Odoo at o d o o.com that's o d o o.com.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.
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Joe Getty
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.
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Joe Getty
The ad Real and appealing. But experts say beware of apartment hunting on social media apps like Instagram and TikTok. Many of these videos we found are posted by scammers impersonating real agents and manipulating real listings. Fraudsters repost videos on bogus accounts claiming to have rents far below market rate, all with the intent of luring potential renters to send an application fee quickly before the deal disappears. A growing scam, according to FBI data.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
That'd be really easy to fall for.
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Jack Armstrong
One of my kids did once. Yeah, insidious when I was looking for.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Houses and stuff like that. Both renting and buying. You had to jump on it so fast I could easily. It's just luck that I didn't do that.
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Jack Armstrong
Right. And. And one design of these scams is you don't go for the big ask. You get a huge number of people or you know, just a good number of people to kick you 25 bucks. That's the application fee. Then you move on to the next scam. Or you send out another wave of those emails. Doesn't cost you anything. Change your, you know, the address or post PO box or whatever the heck.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
And yeah, or there's old fashioned smash something with a hammer and steal it. We need to talk about that big jewelry robbery in the Bay Area. If you haven't seen that video, that is wild.
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Jack Armstrong
Wow. A giant smash and grab crime in California. That's weird.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
But there's a twist this time and the people are going to be caught. It might be the end of it for a while.
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Jack Armstrong
Good. So I have been slightly playfully teasing. The question is Gen Z unemployable? Which is a pretty provocative question. And you know, here's your caveat.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Unemployable is a heck of a term.
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Jack Armstrong
We have for a long time around here.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Smeared a little bit.
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Jack Armstrong
Yes.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Nothing you could do that anyone would pay you to do. Not a single thing anyone can think of. You are deemed unemployable.
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Jack Armstrong
There is no job in the world cut out for you.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
None. No task that someone would rather not do themselves that you could be paid to do and accomplish it.
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Jack Armstrong
Just, I'd rather have a trained monkey. No, nay, an untrained monkey than you, sir, or madam. So anyway, we have long scoffed at the idea of, you know, making broad generalizations about generations. I mean, maybe something's a little more common or. Or not. But, you know, the cliches are cliches. On the other hand. Excuse me, I thought this was so interesting. Susie Welch is the name of this business school professor who is actually a fairly recent arrival to academia. She was in business for a very long time, but she decided what she really wanted to know and study was the match and mismatch of generational values. And she wanted to know how Gen Z's values compared with the values most prized by hiring managers. Which is an extremely relevant question when you're talking about getting a job.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
And the analysis, Work, life balance, and a vegan culture. Yeah, we want somebody who shows up and gets the work done.
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Jack Armstrong
Oh, boy. Yeah. And the numbers that they came up with stunned even the scientists. But first, we need to explain exactly what they did and how they did it. They helped students discover their purpose through collecting three data sets, Aptitudes, economically viable interests. And that stuff's pretty easy because you can do that with widely available tests. Values are harder to pin down, and they make an interesting point. One reason is that most students confuse values with virtues. Values are choices about how we want to live and work, while virtues are qualities that, like, everybody agrees are good, like kindness or integrity.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Okay, I think people often use the term value for what you described as virtue, but that's fine, right?
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, indeed. And they just had to find a way to clarify that for the purposes of this study. And I need a place where I.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Can bring my dog.
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Jack Armstrong
My vegan dog. My vegan dog. Right. Have ready access to vegan Doug furniture. So another reason it was hard to assess values was that most available tests relied heavily on self reporting. And you don't need a PhD to know that people are more complex than they pass themselves off as. And then they describe, and it's not really worth the time to go into. They spent a lot of time and trouble with a team of data scientists, engineers, researchers, psychologists, et cetera, to formulate a scientifically validated behaviorally based assessment tool called the values Bridge. And they identified, I think it was 16 different values. And again, it is outside the scope of this segment to get into all of it, but you'll get an idea. So the first step was to analyze Generation Z's values. In first place is eudaimonia, which is a Greek term used to encompass the desire for self care and personal pleasure.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Self care.
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Jack Armstrong
I want to take care of myself and have fun. That's in first place. If I Gen Z.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
My experience is people who use the term self care spend way too much time with self care. That's just my personal anecdotal evidence.
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Joe Getty
Agreed.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
To quote the great Americana band the Drive By Truckers, don't be so easy on yourself. Anyway, so that's first place, eudaimonia, which is, you know, self care and pleasure. The next choice is what they called voice. A value that reflects the priority a person places on expressing authentic individuality. I want to tell people who I.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Am, man, I never went out into the world thinking about that at all when I needed a job.
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Jack Armstrong
And the third, third place that they gave a Latin term non sibi, which is and forgive me if you've studied Latin and I'm slaughtering it, but it's a Latin term meaning not for oneself, which is the desire to help people. Okay. Fourth place is affluence, which is exactly as it sounds. And fifth, beholderism, a desire for things, including yourself, to be beautiful. So in short, self care and pleasure. Telling people who I am, helping other people, getting money and being surrounded and being beautiful and being surrounded by beautiful things. They then surveyed.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
I feel like when I was younger, my issues were will you hire me? Will you pay me? Will it be enough to pay my rent and my gas?
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Jack Armstrong
Right?
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
And that was pretty much where it ended.
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Jack Armstrong
The Latin term roof overheademus was really my highest priority.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Not have car repossessed us.
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Jack Armstrong
So then these scientists surveyed a couple of thousand of experienced hiring managers in what they call knowledge industry roles. That's roles that rely heavily on human capital as opposed to being a machinist. And they asked employers to identify the number one value they desired in their new employees. Achievement came in first. Obviously it's the value of wanting accomplishments and success. Other people can see that value comes in. In 11th place for Generation Z, first place for hiring managers. 11th place for Gen Z. Wow, 61% wish they had less of it in their lives. Second place for the hiring managers was what they called scope, which reflects the desire for learning, action and stimulation. Doing stuff and learning stuff. That ranks 10th for Gen Z. Third for hiring managers was work centrism, the desire to Just be into your job work for work's sake. So surprise hiring managers would be looking for that makes sense. But that's in ninth place for Gen Z. And so they then calculated how many Gen Z respondents identified achievement, scope and work centrism. That's the top three for the hiring managers. How many? They identified those things in their top five values and it was 2%. 2.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Sounds like a bit of a mismatch then.
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Jacob Goldstein
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
I was just thinking about some of the jobs I've had. I mean I've had some serious monkey jobs. The most monkey job I had that would be a job a monkey could do. I'm just trying to apply that to these like criteria that some of young people are wanting.
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Jack Armstrong
I do have performed simian tasks for the, for the record, the most monkey.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Well I was mentioning when I used to sort nails. I think you could teach a monkey to sort nails at a big hardware store after the weekend where a bunch of like dads came in and mixed up the nails and the different sized nails things. I'd have to go sort them out on Monday and Tuesday.
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Jack Armstrong
It's good work if you can get it.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Make sure the nails this long are all one container and the ones this long are in a different container. So a monkey could have learned to do that. But still not as monkey ish as when I was in a warehouse at the top of a like a pyramid of boxes and a guy.
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Jack Armstrong
And there.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Were different boxes of different things and a guy would come by and say I need the fork. Four of the tide boxes. And I'd find four tides and roll them down to the bottom. I just pushed them off. I mean I didn't even have to do anything. I was just pushing them off and they would roll down and he would stack them. I mean that was like seriously. The only reason I was there is because there are no monkeys in Kansas. That's the only reason that I was doing that job. As opposed to a primate of some.
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Jack Armstrong
Sort of TMW trained monkey worker.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
That was so monkey jump. I remember sitting up there thinking I went to college. I think I'm kind of smart. Four more of those boxes. I'd roll down the boxes while I'm having these thoughts doing big things. Oh my God.
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Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
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Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Listen, listen, Jack, we built a trap. We've got a box with a, with a banana underneath it and a stick. But we've caught no monkeys. So we're going to need you through Friday. As soon as we catch a monkey, we're going to let you go.
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Jack Armstrong
So obviously when they presented these findings to the hiring managers, they just slapped their foreheads and said, oh my God, it's even worse than I thought. But then this scientist, who actually Susie Welch is her name, I think. Yes, Susie Welch, she says. I've also shared the data with my students. Statistically speaking, my MBA students have a higher incidence of achievement than the general population. But the reception was one of definite unease. Given the tenuous job market. The last thing they wanted to hear is a professor saying, and virtually none of you have the values companies want anyway, right? I still, I say it not to provoke, because this is the data my students should know. Values, after all, are like choices. Like all choices, they have consequences. This message often met with the pushback that businesses need to change. Businesses need to change. What is a focus on achievement gotten us young people but anxiety? And who wants a life of scope with action and stimulation when the world is already unstable? She says maybe they're right. Maybe businesses will change someday when Gen Z is in charge. But right now, the marketplace faces a values disconnect between generations that could reshape the future of work.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah, it's interesting though, there was much less anxiety in a world where look, your boss doesn't give a crap about you. They just need somebody that's going to do the job, do what they tell you to or they're going to fire you. There was lower anxiety back then.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, and we're going to go out after work and have a couple of beers. Go ahead. Katie.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, well we, we now have a.
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Jack Armstrong
Generation that expects your boss to care.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
And you know, work life balance, bring your, bring your opinions to work, that sort of thing.
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Jack Armstrong
Lower your damn expectations. It's. You'll be less anxious that way. Expect nothing. That's my motto.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
What was your Monkey job? Text line 415295 KFTC.
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Joe Getty
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- [19:04]
Variety Host / Cynthia Littleton
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- [19:18]
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- [19:20]
Variety Host / Cynthia Littleton
Featuring the iconic journalists of Variety and hosted by co editor in chief Cynthia Littleton.
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Jack Armstrong
The only constant in Hollywood is change.
- [19:29]
Variety Host / Cynthia Littleton
Open your free iHeartradio app, search daily Variety and listen now.
- [19:34]
Jacob Goldstein
This is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? When you buy business software from lots of vendors, the costs add up and it gets complicated and confusing. Odoo solves this. It's a single company that sells a suite of enterprise apps that handles everything from accounting to inventory to sales. Odoo is all connected on a single platform in a simple and affordable way. You can save money without missing out on the features you need. Check out Odoo at o d o o.com that's o d o o.com a.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Worked at UPS stacking boxes, unloading boxes, was I stacking them or unloading them? I was loading them into the back of a rail car. That was kind of a monkey job, but not as monkey a job as when I was on the top of a big stack of boxes rolling them down to people. That was really a monkey job. What was your monkey job? We got a couple of texts about that. One of my many monkey jobs in my post college young adulthood was sweeping dead tarantulas out of the company's warehouse and Concord regular thing. Monkey job. Running out to pump gas when the bell went ding as cars ran over the little hose by the gas pumps. I'd be a pretty. You'd have to have a pretty smart monkey to do that. I used to water plants at a nursery all day. That's pretty monkey. That's pretty monkey. You just walk around with a watering can.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Monkey robot.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Rainstorm.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah. Yeah. I remember my uncle saying to me when I was grown up and semi successful, my uncle Carl said, so when was the low point? And I said, what? He said, when was the low point? He said, my low point was I was working on cars and trains, train cars, and I'd have to climb up on top of these boxes. I forget what he had to do. He had to be in the dark up on top. He said, that was my low point. What was your low point? And I said, oh, okay. And then I had to mention my short little area of a couple of Jobs. But I think his point was everybody has that point where you're doing some really crappy job and thinking, I can do better than that. And you either try harder to find a better job or improve your situation by going to school or getting a skill or something.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Katie, Low point monkey job was having to stand in the milk box at a grocery store and just push all of the dairy forward so it was forward facing the customers. Yeah. I would make it fun though, because when a customer would come by, go.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
And scare him a little bit.
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Jack Armstrong
My God.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah. Fronting shelves, I've done that. That's a pretty monkey job. I've done a lot of that myself.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. You know, I was thinking about the anxiety thing. My low point, actually. A couple of good choices. But when our job went sideways in Charlotte many years ago and I had two babies and no gig, I don't. I wasn't anxious. I was highly concerned. But I know what anxiety is and I know how that differs from like a serious high level of concern. And I don't know, maybe our generation's the perfect test case for what's causing all the modern anxiety. And I firmly believe it's screen oriented. There was, it's constant, never ending input. We're not built for it.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Causation and what do you call that? Causation Correlation. Yeah. They don't always fit together like this. But there's no doubt that these two things are true. There's more anxiety now and the workplace is much softer now. Employers were way harsher back in the day and we had much, much, much less anxiety. Doesn't mean those things go together at all. But those two things are definitely true. Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
It has a lot to do with expectation and experience, obviously the whole free range parenting thing. I mean, you look at a Gen X kid, for instance, we had so much freedom we had run into, frequently caused and then cured so much trouble. So many, you know, getting lost, somebody screwing up and getting yelled at and all. We had so much independence. We came into adulthood with like, I can handle this. That's an incredible gift to give a kid.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Or at the very least, it wasn't your first encounter with the slightest difficulty.
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Jack Armstrong
Right, sure.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
In the workplace. Yeah. We got a lot more on the way.
- [24:30]
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- [25:35]
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- [26:05]
Variety Host / Cynthia Littleton
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- [26:19]
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- [26:21]
Variety Host / Cynthia Littleton
Featuring the iconic journalists of Variety and hosted by co Editor in chief Cynthia Littleton.
- [26:27]
Jack Armstrong
The only constant in Hollywood is change.
- [26:30]
Variety Host / Cynthia Littleton
Open your free iHeartradio app, search daily Variety and listen now.
- [26:35]
Jacob Goldstein
This is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? When you buy business software from lots of vendors, the costs add up and it gets complicated and confusing. Odoo solves this. It's a single company that sells a suite of enterprise apps that handles everything from accounting to inventory to sales. Odoo is all connected on a single platform in a simple and affordable way. You can save money without missing out on the features you need. Check out Odoo at o d o o.com that's o d o o.com a.
- [27:09]
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- [27:34]
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Jack Armstrong
Is he connected to others or a particular movement? Given the anti ice literally statement written, the bullet and the targeting.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah, you're probably aware of this nut job who then killed himself, who shot at ICE agents. Not wounding any ICE agents or killing anybody, thank God. Although he wounded some immigrants that had been detained.
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Jack Armstrong
He killed at least one, right?
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah, yeah. And, and, but he had written anti ICE on his bullets, so that seems to be his. Wow. It was his motive at the time. The thing we wanted to get into is Joe and I both came across this podcast with an interview with a guy who's done extensive research on the people that pull off these high profile shootings, whether it's a school shooting, workplace shooting, a political attack, or whatever. And one of the common threads, and this isn't universal, nothing's universal. But one of the common threads it seems to be is they're suicidal more than anything else. You go back and you start researching their. You start looking at their Google searches or what they were saying to friends they were suicidal. Then they decided how to make that suicide spectacular, whether it's going to school and shooting people or picking a political target or whatever it is. So the suicide is the point for a lot of these people. And it certainly could be the case with this person. This person wanted to die, was perfectly happy with killing themselves for whatever reason, but they had to, for weird psychology reasons, had to attach it to a bigger cause to make it meaningful somehow.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, and they want their death to be noted and people to talk about it. Partly because of the ever present desire for fame among young people these days.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Or all of us. I've had it. I think we've all experienced a little bit of the if I don't post this it doesn't matter phenomenon, and I resist it because it's sick. But just a little bit of, here I am at this beautiful vacation spot, or here's my kid, you know, having their first whatever, and you feel like you gotta post it or have other people see it and like it for some reason. It's weird. Well, suicides have become the same sort of thing.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. This is gonna sound perverse and sick, but think about it for a minute. I want to kill myself and I want to get lots and lots of likes for it, in essence. And one of the ways you raise the profile, I mean, you die alone in your bathtub or whatever, it will be not noted by anybody but those very close to you. If you can take one to 50 people out with you, then your suicide will be noted worldwide.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
It's, it's horrible, but it's true.
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Jack Armstrong
It, it.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Imagine how incredibly sad and lonely a just by yourself at your house suicide is.
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Jack Armstrong
Right?
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
And this guy knew that he was going to be the, the President would talk about it. It would make the national news by doing this.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, yeah. You know, it's funny, it just popped into my head. One of the saddest song lyrics I think that's ever been written by Paul McCartney in this case. And Eleanor Rigby was about how she died along with her name. And nobody came to the memorial service, which is what people want to avoid. Now the other aspect of what this expert was talking about in the podcast Jack referenced is that so many of these ideological shooters and this anti ICE guy is a perfect example of this. They didn't really have developed political opinions at all until like really, really recently. And they seem to be just looking for something to tie their act of violence and death to. They're often Johnny's come lately. They didn't spend years in the trenches, you know, rec registering voters and, and writing speeches and going to marches and you know, all of that stuff. No, they just, they're like nobody knew him as political at all. This 29 year old guy who shot into the ICE facility and for God's sake, killed some immigrants. Several people who knew him since at least middle school spoke. Their accounts paint the picture of someone who was with a vaguely libertarian bent, who despised both major parties and politicians generally, including Trump, but who didn't engage with politics. Beyond that, he preferred edgy humor, video games and the message board 4chan, all of which he became increasingly steeped in as he withdrew from social life as well as his real friendships several years ago.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah, I am, I'm pretty convinced that. So the scumbag who murdered Charlie Kirk, he didn't kill himself and certainly didn't put himself in a situation where the cops would kill him. So that's a different thing. But agreed, a lot of these, the ones where they end up dead, that makes perfect sense to me looking back at it over the years. The suicide was the point. The anger at your classmates wasn't the point. The, you know, anger at your boss, your whatever it is, you want to kill yourself and you needed to it to be somehow more meaningful, which is a sad sick state. Which makes it all the more important that we don't engage in the sort of violent rhetoric that can give people a target for their suicidal intentions. There's a poll out like just now that's heartening. This is a YouGov poll. Much better news than the poll a lot of us were citing a week or so ago. But do you support. It's a lot of it has to do with how you ask the question, but it is, do you support Partizan murder? Nobody does. You can call it nobody because it's less than 1% of Democrats, independents, Republicans, overall, whoever you want to ask. It's less than 1% support partisan murder. Happy to see that. Now pull it.
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Jack Armstrong
Boy, that is an enormously different result than. Do you think political violence is sometimes justified?
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah. I don't know if it's because violence. You're picturing something short of murder or what, but.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
How serious a problem do you think political violence is today? 93% of us think it's somewhat or very serious. So practically all of us think it's serious. If you don't think it's serious, you're a nut job or something. And finally, do you think the way people talk about politics these days is contributing to violence? 82%, yes. The rest of you are wrong, especially given what we just said. People out there who are suicidal. Ish. Now you give them something to hang on to with your. This is, you know, the new Hitler or they're Nazis or the worst thing that's ever happened in the history of everything.
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Jack Armstrong
Which will get you more headlines and more likes, as it were, for your crime or your suicide. This getting back to the anti Ice guy and this, you know, this is a bit of a winding road, but hang with us. None of his former friends believed that the anti Ice inscription could possibly be sincere. Feeling such a serious political statement was anathema to who this guy was. His humor was deeply ironic, often offensive and aggressive to the point of alienation. Quote. He was most certainly an edgelord, an irony guy. You familiar with the term edgelord? I'm not somebody who shoots off their mouth with edgy, like, nihilistic, offensive views on purpose. Asked about the inscription on the bullet, a friend said Josh was an edgelord who wanted to get someone blamed. I think he tried his best to write something goofy to rile people up. Another showed him a Facebook post describing how this man, young man, had flooded his friend's comment section with rape jokes. Really, really like to provoke people in kind of a nihilistic way. And. And that reminds me of a piece in the. The Free Press that I was going to get into at some point, but of an nihilist is. Or do you say nihilist is the best way to describe it this online community of mostly males who are so full of apathy and hate, they just try to recruit people to this cynical, hateful attitude. And as a hobby they try to convince people to hurt themselves online or they black belt blackmail them or. Or try to tempt them into suicide. And. And it's just yet another example of that's a 1 in 50, 000 twisted sick psychopath. And if you go online, you can find 750 of them by this afternoon.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah. Once again, I don't know how humanity handles this ability for the craziest of us to all get together and convince each other that they're part of a movement.
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Jack Armstrong
Right? Yeah. Can humanity deal with the Internet?
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Well, I'll tell you what.
- [36:47]
Jack Armstrong
Saying the answer is no. But if humanity is my favorite football team, we're down 45 nothing. And I haven't seen any real sign of us fighting back.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Wow. I don't know if it landed the same way with you all, but I will at a lot of these all different kinds of shootings differently now that I that it makes sense to me. The suicide was the point. And they. They lately came to the reason needing just right to. To make their life their death not so incredibly nothing. Also that idea that people aren't upset about a cause because they've been butting their banging their head against the wall of immigration rules or divorce laws or whatever it is you got for years and you just finally snapped. That is not at all what happens.
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Jack Armstrong
Right? Right. And just one more note and then we will give you the delicious dessert of humor. The idea that I'm not an alienated sad sack who just decided not to live anymore. I'm a brave revolutionary committing the ultimate violation of human to make a point. I'm an exciting, dangerous figure.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
How much?
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Jack Armstrong
And that's what's going on in their heads.
- [38:04]
Jack Armstrong (co-host)
I mean, you can tell how much easier is that to swallow than I'm just a sad person with no friends, alone in their apartment, nobody'll even notice. I mean, that's hard to swallow, right?
- [38:14]
Jack Armstrong
Indeed. Wow. Heavy Michael, do we have transition music available? Could you do that for us? Which is. We got Palate Clencher.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Here we go.
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Jack Armstrong
Heavy, man, heavy. So this guy's name is Sean Farage. Farish Farage. He's a Trump imitator. It's clip number 11, Michael. Enjoy.
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Sean Farage (Trump impersonator)
Well, it is my complete honor and privilege to make this endorsement. You know, I've got along with very well with oxygen. I call it air. We love to breathe. It's a tremendous practice in and out. I went to the doctor and my doctor looked at me, he said, sir, you have the most beautiful lungs. They're so big, they're so beautiful. They inflate, they deflate, they're wonderful. So I said, now's a beautiful day to endorse oxygen. We love breathing, right? And you have these stupid people on the left. Very stupid, very sick. These are very sick people. You're not a sick person, but they're very sick people, right? They're going to hear me say, oh, Donald Trump likes to breathe. You know who else breathed Hitler. And they're going to hold their breath. And that's what we're hoping for. We're looking at it. So we are endorsing air. Big, beautiful, clean air. Keep breathing that beautiful air. It's a tremendous thing to do. Thank you so much. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Thank you. That is a really good Trump impersonation.
- [39:42]
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, it is. And a funny bet, you know, well spree Hitler.
- [39:46]
Jack Armstrong (co-host)
So people are holding their breath. Oh my God, that's funny. Gotta tell you about this smash and grab in the San Francisco Bay area of a jewelry store while the details on it or something. If you haven't seen the video, we're have it@armstrongandgetty.com Stay tuned.
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Jack Armstrong
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
New report from the Wall Street Journal, toxic fumes are leaking into airplanes and making passengers and crews sick. Though if you're flying spirit, they're happy to crack a window. Poor Spirit Airline around the country, you've probably seen videos of the smash and grab crimes in California over the last couple of years when we smash, smash, smash grab. Yeah, we decriminalized crime and it just kind of was a, you know, a nod to everybody that yeah, it's free reign to take whatever you want, anytime you want. And some of these are really well orchestrated and high level like these jewelry store smashing grabs. And there was one the other day with a twist at the end here. This is slightly different than the ones you've heard about recently and the video is amazing. There's 30 dudes, 30 wild video shows a huge mob of masked black clad thieves storming a San Ramon. That's a San Francisco Bay area jewelry store, making off with a million dollars in jewels in just a couple of minutes. 30 crooks as they ran up to the store in broad daylight Monday, they used crowbars and pickaxes to smash the display cases and snatch jewelry, then shop their way out when a security door automatically tried to lock them inside. It was a glass door, so they just shot it. When they back went in, they just took over the store, grabbed whatever jewelry was available.
- [44:48]
Jack Armstrong
I saw him pointing guns at the. The workers too.
- [44:51]
Jack Armstrong (co-host)
The raid was likely planned days in advance, police said, as the suspects arrived in six separate vehicles. That's some coordination there. Parked in the valet area 100ft from the store. And then the 30 people ran in and smashed it all up. But here's the different thing that happened. Cops were able to get footage of the suspects in their vehicles using a drone funded by an organized retail theft grant. So they got drones in the air, got all the vehicles, what the vehicles look like, the license plates, you know, they were all masked. But you got at least some idea of what the people look like. They've already arrested seven suspects because of the drone footage. So. Which will lead them to the other suspects, almost certainly.
- [45:38]
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, probably. This is exactly what we were talking about the other day, the upside of a surveillance state.
- [45:45]
Jack Armstrong (co-host)
I was about to say that. Yeah, you have a surveillance state like they've already got in New York City, where everything is on camera all the time from multiple angles. Your face, your license plate, everything. And it's all coordinated into various computers that compile it all together. It's kind of like the social credit score thing they do in China, they're doing in New York City. But anyway, the upside is you're gonna catch these guys, right?
- [46:10]
Jack Armstrong
As a civil libertarian, what really interests me and troubles me is the idea that maybe in the second half of the 20th century, this stuff seemed anathema. It was disgusting, the very idea of a surveillance state, because it wasn't needed. We had, you know, coherent laws. Crime got punishment. Our morals, our more as a society were pretty unified against this sort of. And so we didn't need it, but we've let the, the bad guys get worse and worse and run rampant. And so now we need to, quote, unquote, need to enact these draconian surveillance.
- [46:52]
Jack Armstrong (co-host)
It's the history of the world. Emergencies lead to crackdowns of various kinds, and they stay in place forever, long past the emergency 9, 11, is how we got license plate readers. I think nobody ever voted on that. It's never been an issue anywh. Do we like the idea of the government going around and reading license plates? They know where your car is all the time. No, but it happened. It just happened. The point of the New York Times article about New York as a surveillance state is none of this stuff has been discussed or voted on. None of it. It just happened.
- [47:25]
Jack Armstrong
Just executive fiat and yeah, a little.
- [47:27]
Jack Armstrong (co-host)
By little with each and every emergency. And you got the smash and grab emergencies. Okay, let's get a drone in the air. So now everybody's tracked all the time.
- [47:35]
Jack Armstrong
Time.
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
That's a good idea.
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Jack Armstrong
Thank you, Chinese drone lady. It's a fine suggestion.
- [47:44]
Jack Armstrong (co-host)
This will come back to bite us at some point though, when whoever decides, you know, the Tea Party, we. They're a dangerous group. We better keep an eye on where they go.
- [47:54]
Jack Armstrong
Oh, yeah.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
For whatever political reason.
- [47:57]
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, that reminds me. Maybe we can pay this off. Next hour, a long list of prominent Democrats who made the Jimmy Kimmel incident look like, you know, patty cake. In terms of government pressure and censorship. They were fully in favor of it, proudly in favor of it about five minutes ago. And now they're beating their chests and tearing their garments and saying how it's terrible and threatens the constitution. Good lord, you can't be cynical enough these days.
- [48:27]
Jack Armstrong (co-host)
We'll have to delve into this. Breaking news that Amazon has reached an historic $2.5 billion settlement with the FT because they had been tricking people into signing up for their prime memberships. Oh, that's the biggest settlement ever. So I want to know more of the details on that. Did I get tricked? I have a Prime membership. Maybe I've been.
- [48:46]
Jack Armstrong
Plus we'll profile the 29 year old woman who's the world's most famous bagpiper. No, no, we won't. But she is.
- [48:55]
Jack Armstrong (co-host)
I'll bet I know who she is. I think I've seen her on YouTube videos.
- [48:57]
Jack Armstrong
I probably have. Playing freebird.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong (co-host)
Well, sir, interesting. If you missed a segment, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand. Much more to come.
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Jack Armstrong
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