She Was Doing Wet Work

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: She Was Doing Wet Work
Date: November 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the explosive release of the Jeffrey Epstein files by Congress, the bipartisan reactions, and the damning details emerging about influential figures who associated with Epstein. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty dissect the political theater, the identities and actions of elite acquaintances exposed in new emails, and the possible implications for former and current political heavyweights. The hosts blend sharp skepticism, irreverent humor, and biting criticism as they interrogate both the hypocrisy and the continued cover-ups intertwined with the Epstein saga.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Congressional Release of Epstein Files

• Bipartisan Vote & Public Reaction
  • The House voted 428–1, with the Senate unanimously consenting, to release the Epstein files.
  • Vigils by Epstein victims at the Capitol were met with cheers and emotional relief upon the passing of the bill. ([00:40])
• Media & Political Hypocrisy
  • Jack calls out the mainstream media for suddenly centering victims, when the issue could have been acted upon under previous administrations:
    • "You didn't feel that way for four freaking years when Democrats controlled the House and could have passed this exact same bill. Or Donald Trump can release this at any time. So could Joe Biden, but he didn't. And you didn't care about it at all then.” —Jack ([01:12-01:52])
  • Trump changed his position on the bill, opposing it before supporting it last minute; nearly all Republicans ultimately voted for it.
  • Joe highlights current left-wing talking points shifting blame to Biden (“the mummy”), despite collective previous inaction. ([02:05])

Why the Files Were Withheld So Long

• Mutually Assured Destruction Theory
  • Joe posits that both parties may be protecting their own:
    • "Unless it's mutually assured destruction, they're guilty pervs on both sides. That is a possible explanation of why it's languished." —Joe ([02:57])
  • Despite D.C.'s reputation for leaks, no definitive evidence has surfaced implicating Trump or others, raising questions about what, if anything, remains hidden. ([03:30])

Dissecting the Newly Released Emails

• Elite Complicity & Chumminess
  • Jack and Joe review journalist Joe Nocera’s analysis of the released emails:
    • Elite friends, like Larry Summers and Kathy Ruemler, stayed close with Epstein even after his conviction for underage sex crimes.
    • Many emails revolve around strategizing to defend Epstein and themselves, rarely mentioning victims.
    • Michael Wolff, Steve Bannon, and others appear in messages minimizing or deflecting Epstein’s offenses.
  • Joe summarizes the culture revealed:
    • "There is a club out there of rich and powerful that crosses political lines, where the whole, you know, we're fighting the other side so hard thing disappears.” —Jack ([09:19])
    • F. Scott Fitzgerald’s "careless people" quote from The Great Gatsby is invoked to describe this elite detachment. ([08:55-09:19])

Notable Incidents from Emails

• Larry Summers, after his presidency at Harvard and years after Epstein’s conviction, sought Epstein’s advice on how to pursue a young female mentee:
  • "He’s wanting to sex up this young economist who sees him as an older mentor, and he’s looking to Jeffrey Epstein for advice on how to work the thing." —Jack ([10:33])
• Kathy Ruemler, Obama’s former counsel and now Goldman Sachs lawyer, exchanges buddy-buddy emails with Epstein, mocking Trump and seeking career advice—contradicting claims their relationship was merely professional. ([11:09])
• Ghislaine Maxwell admitted, in an email to Epstein, knowledge about the alleged "massage" with Prince Andrew at her house—a direct contradiction to public denials. ([12:39-13:08])

Trump, Clinton, & the Political Fallout

• Trump’s 2015 Remarks on Epstein

  • Trump was already publicly associating Epstein with Clinton and Prince Andrew before his first presidential run:
    • Trump to Halperin: "That island was really a cesspool... Just ask Prince Andrew. He’ll tell you about it." ([21:30-21:49])
  • Hosts opine that if Trump were worried about exposure, he wouldn’t bring up Epstein so early; perhaps it’s evidence he knew he was in the clear—or felt insulated.

• Three Burning Questions (Mark Halperin’s List)

  • The Trump-Epstein relationship: How close were they, and why did they fall out? Why did Trump travel on Epstein’s plane when he notoriously preferred his own? ([23:05-24:34])
  • Ghislaine Maxwell’s “cushy” prison conditions after an eight-hour meeting with DOJ brass: Was she rewarded for protecting Trump or downplaying his involvement? ([24:34-25:28])
    • "It’s a pure quid pro quo. If it’s not, I’d be shocked." —Joe ([25:00])
  • Did Epstein really kill himself? Halperin remains skeptical due to the many irregularities. ([27:39-28:14])
    • Armstrong & Getty debate the plausibility of suicide versus murder/conspiracy, with the sloppiness and corruption at the jail leaving the truth unprovable. ([29:27-31:34])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Elite Detachment:
  • "They preferred his friendship to looking straight away at his crimes. It is shameful. And even all these years after the first Epstein revelations, shocking." —Joe, reading Nocera ([13:23])
• Cynicism Toward the Powerful:
  • "There's a club out there...where the whole, you know, we're fighting the other side so hard thing disappears." —Jack ([09:19])
• Larry Summers/Epstein Dynamic:
  • "Getting your advice from Epstein about how you reacted—well, annoyed shows caring. No whining. Show strength." —Joe, paraphrasing Epstein's advice to Summers ([10:57])
• Maxwell’s Quid Pro Quo:
  • "You sit down for an interview and make it infinitely clear that Donald Trump did nothing untoward...In return, we send you to the Kush prison." —Joe ([25:13])
• On Epstein's Death:
  • "Due to the sloppiness and corruption at the jail in New York. It will never be provable that he didn't [kill himself]." —Joe ([29:27])

The “Headline of the Day” & Lurid Details

• A victim, in a new interview, describes Epstein’s penis as “tiny, extremely deformed, shaped like a lemon”—echoing similar details from Weinstein and other high-profile sexual offenders. ([17:54-18:42], [32:18-34:12])
• Audio from a deposition surfaces as lawyers debate whether discussing the shape of Epstein’s genitalia is material or just meant to embarrass. The hosts riff irreverently on the “lemon or egg” debate, tying in analogous references from other scandals. ([32:43-34:59])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• The Bill’s Passage & Media Response: [00:39–02:05]
• Joe Nocera Email Review – Elite Chumminess: [05:41–13:23]
• Larry Summers’ Embarrassment & Harvard Apology: [14:54–16:01]
• Trump’s Early Public Comments on Epstein: [21:30–22:28]
• Mark Halperin’s Three Big Questions: [23:05–27:39]
• Epstein’s Death – Suicide or Not?: [27:39–31:34]
• Lurid “Headline of the Day” & Deposition Audio: [17:54–18:42], [32:18–34:59]

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Episode Tone & Style

Armstrong & Getty’s tone oscillates between sharp skepticism, mockery, and incredulity—never shying away from gallows humor or deeply cynical observations about politics and the elite. They mercilessly lampoon the hypocrisy of both parties regarding Epstein, mock the self-serving apologies of implicated figures, and gleefully dissect the bizarre details (sometimes veering into the salacious, as with the “egg-shaped” revelation).

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Additional Noteworthy Moments

• On Ghislaine Maxwell’s treatment and quid pro quo speculation ([24:34–25:45]):
  • Quacking/duck references used to drive home the obviousness of the exchange.
• On conspiracies about Epstein’s demise ([31:02–31:34]):
  • Hosts blend dark humor with genuine skepticism: “Hillary Clinton comes walking in with a bed sheet... That’s Hillary Clinton, LAUGH Michael… click clock click clock, sensible heels walking down the hall of the prison...” —Jack ([31:10–31:41])
• Repeated jabs at the Streisand Effect—Summers’ contrition only bringing more attention to his emails. ([16:30–16:43])

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Conclusion

“She Was Doing Wet Work” encapsulates Armstrong & Getty’s blend of sharp sociopolitical critique and irreverence in the wake of the Epstein files’ release. With both lampooning and genuine outrage, they illuminate the bipartisan complicity, elite protectionism, and ongoing cultural fascination with the Epstein scandal—leaving listeners with more questions than answers, and a deepened sense of distrust toward those in power.

Transcript

[Jack Armstrong]

This is an iHeart podcast. Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

[Joe Getty]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty. As many of us who are looking at our phones know that the Senate has passed the bill under unanimous.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're going to have a moment of.

[Joe Getty]

Silence where I think we should just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Have a moment of celebration. So that was the victims of Jeffrey Epstein having a candlelight vigil there on the steps of the Capitol yesterday when they got the news, I think that the Senate passed it after the House had passed it 428 to 1 to release the Epstein files. And the Senate said, good enough for us. Send it to the President. I mean, they didn't even take it up. Um, and they're cheering and they seem to be, like, hugging each other, tears in their eyes, legitimately relieved slash joyful about this. I don't know what they think is about to happen exactly. Now, the mainstream media crowd, like MSNBC is endlessly. They played that clip last night and there. And that's what we all need to remember, that this is about the victims. It's not about politics or Donald Trump or what. It's about the victims. Okay? You didn't feel that way for four freaking years when Democrats controlled the House and could have passed this exact same bill. Or Donald Trump can release this at any time. So could Joe Biden, but he didn't. And you didn't care about it at all then. So the amount of hypocrisy around this, of course, Trump was against it passing until Sunday night, and then he was for it passing. And every Republican but one voted to pass it yesterday. So I don't even know what's happening.

[Joe Getty]

The official talking point on the left is that, yes, it was the mummy who was at fault. Joe Biden should have released. That is their new talking point. Even though not a single one of them even so much as suggested that maybe that would be a good idea. It was all Biden that held it back. It is such enormous hypocrisy. On the other hand, this Joe Nacera of the Free Press, the assistant managing editor, whatever that means, wrote a big piece about reading through tons and tons of the. Just released like a week ago, Epstein emails and around that him. And he writes this. Why are some of the MAGA crowd so eager to see the Epstein files the Justice Department supposedly has? Because they want to know. They demand to know who among Epstein's friends was also having sex with underage girls. They Want their heads on a platter. Can you blame them? I just, I, I don't think the question is not worth asking. I just suspect that the answer isn't there or it would have been used already. Since the alleged information that exists has been in both parties hands now for quite a very, quite a long time, it plenty of opportunity. Unless it's mutually assured destruction, they're guilty pervs on both sides. That is a possible explanation of why it's languished. Although Washington is the leakiest vessel that's ever sailed. So I can't believe there haven't been, you know, damaging leaks. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's hard to imagine. It defies logic, specifically around Trump, which I assume is the animating force behind this whole thing for Democrats is they think that there's something that's going to bring down Trump. You're going to tell only the the.

[Joe Getty]

Dust storm that this is creating is bad for the Trump administration. Even if that's the only thing they accomplish, it's worth doing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are you going to tell me there's some damaging piece of information in all of this that the Biden administration and Justice Department sat on while Trump was going to be, you know, the next president? You could have stopped him with any of this and you just kept it a secret. I mean, it just defies all logic.

[Joe Getty]

Like every movement, though, you've got your activists and then you've got your useful. I don't want to use the term idiots because it's unnecessarily insulting, but you have your activists and those they manipulate, and the activists know they have a pretty good idea that there's nothing on Trump. But this is just in the Trump administration's way, and you hamstring the other party every way you possibly can. And this is a good one. So I think a lot of the pros and the MSNBC crowd, that's what they're doing. But Joe Nacera, who I mentioned, wrote, read tons and tons of these emails and he's written a piece for the Free Press and he says, six years after Jeffrey Epstein was arrested for luring teenage girls to services insatiable sexual needs, I didn't think there was anything about this sordid scandal that could shock me, but I was wrong. Over the weekend, I read hundreds of the emails to and from Jeffrey Epstein released to the public. I wanted to take a shower when I had finished. I hope the people who wrote them, who will get to two in a minute, never live them down. For starters, the vast majority of the emails were written after 2008, which is when Epstein pleaded guilty to solicitating soliciting prostitution from an underage girl, a far lesser charge than he deserved. After his lawyers browbeat the prosecutors and he spent 13 months in prison, a term so lenient he was allowed home over the weekends. All those friends of his who wrote emails, the friends who now say they regret their association with him after details of that case were out in the open, they didn't seem to care at.

[Jack Armstrong]

The time, including Larry Summers, obviously president of Harvard, who, years after Epstein got caught sexing up underage girls, was emailing him and saying, hey, I'm mentoring this economics professor. She's hot, and I want to have sex with her. What do you think of this line? I mean, if you haven't read those, it's amazing, right?

[Joe Getty]

So, no, Sarah says they didn't seem to care. That's not quite right. They did care about Epstein. Whenever stories would crop up about Epstein's sexual proclivities, as they did from time to time, he and his elite friends sent emails back and forth bemoaning the unfairness of it all. They strategized about how they might deflect attention away for his pension for young girls and direct it instead on his philanthropy or his supposed insider knowledge of President Donald Trump's business dealings. The girls, they barely got a mention. And then he mentions Boris Nicolic, a venture capitalist who is Bill Gates chief scientific advisor when a Vanity Fair story came out. When will this stop? This is crazy. He wrote, When Epstein complained that not one newspaper had the balls to question the credibility of Virginia Jaffre, who said she thought she might die a sex slave at the hands of Epstein, first blew the whistle on his crimes. Epstein's friend Landon Thomas Jr. Then a financial journalist at the New York Times, replied, quote, I might be interested in that story. Would Andrew's people cooperate? Andrew, of course, is Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, formerly known as Prince Andrew, who Jeffrey Free accused of having sex with her during the time she was under Epstein's control. He clearly did, according to these emails. We'll get to that in a minute. Let's see. Michael Wolf, the author, groused another big prize for the Miami Herald after Julie K. Brown won the Hillman Prize, which is a prestigious journalism prize, for her expose of the sweetheart deal. Epstein got back in 2008, and Brown's story ultimately led to Epstein's arrest that April in 2019. Look at the judges on this thing, continued Wolf, who comes across in the emails as perhaps Epstein's closest Confidant, the right thinking establishment, to a T. Steve Bannon, who was cc'd on that email, chimed in. Yeah, the fix is always in.

[Jack Armstrong]

What year was that?

[Joe Getty]

2019. Wow. Let's see. Steve Bannon, then. He talks about. There are always sex scandals, one sort or another, but the Epstein case exists on a whole other level. He was rich and well connected, but to this day, nobody actually knows where all his money came from. Your anti Semitic crowd say it was the Jews, the Mossad, something something. It's ridiculous, but he lacked a college degree, but charged his wealthy friends millions of dollars for tax advice. Constantly surrounded by young women, the younger the better. And it was all about massages that ended with asexual climax, as Mr. Nassera writes. Did Epstein's elite friends get the same treatment? Is that how he made his money? In a memoir that was published after she died earlier this year, Giuffre alleged that she was expected to service Epstein's friends, including Prince Andrew, as him. But that's the only name specifically named. But there are still many unknowns about Epstein. That's one reason there's such a voracious appetite for the story. Another reason, though, is that it appears to be yet another example of how the rich live by a different set of rules, allowing them to do the most heinous things and skate away. He quotes F. Scott Fitzgerald and the Great Gatsby. Careless people, the wealthy and powerful who thought. Who thoughtlessly damaged lives that were meaningless to them.

[Jack Armstrong]

To me, I mean, the fact Steve Bannon being cc'd on that email. I mean, there is. There is a club out there of rich and powerful that crosses political lines, where the whole, you know, we're fighting the other side so hard thing disappears. Oh, yeah, that's all a show for us. And they just live a life of sex, connections, financial comfort and everything like that. And how does this not make you cynical?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, there's a chumminess to these emails and intimacy. Even that suggests just how close Epstein was to his elite buddies. Epstein donated more than $9 million to Harvard, most of it during Larry Summers, five year, 10 years Harvard's president, which ended in 06. But Summers emails to Epstein, which came well after his time as Harvard's president, weren't about money. Epstein appears to have been someone to whom he could say anything without referring. Fear of rebuke. Then he gets into the hitting on his mentee thing and getting. Getting advice from Epstein about how you reacted. Well, annoyed shows caring. No whining. Show strength. Last week, Summers issued a statement saying that his association with Epstein was a major error of judgment. That's what they're all saying now.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if you looked into the emails, but, I mean, it gets down to the nitty gritty of. Of like Larry Summers sending an email to Epstein saying, I asked her out for drinks after the conference and she said she was tired. Do you think that was just a way to get out of it, or do you think she was actually tired? Should I try it again? Am I pushing too hard? He's wanting to sex up this young economist who sees him as an older mentor, and he's looking to Jeffrey Epstein for advice on how to work the thing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, you.

[Jack Armstrong]

And he's married currently. Yeah, you should be embarrassed by all that. And now he's stepped down from OpenAI where he had some sort of role. He's. He's left, like every job he has. He ought to be embarrassed.

[Joe Getty]

Here's Kathy Rumler now, Goldman Sachs top lawyer, former White House counsel for Barack Obama, has also said she regrets her association with Epstein. But in their email exchanges, they sound like bosom buddies, constantly kvetching about their dislike of Donald Trump. When she describes him as stupid and gross, Epstein responds, duh. She asked him for advice. When she is approached about a big job, he tells her about all the big shots he'll be dining with. Goldman Sachs has defended Rumler, saying that her relationship with Epstein was professional. Her email correspondence show how ludicrous this claim is. Landon Thomas, who, please recall, was a New York Times journalist at the time, emails Epstein to warn him that he just spoke to another journalist who is snooping around. Thomas was fired by the Times in 2019 because he solicited a $30,000 contribution to a charity from Epstein. There are only a few emails between Ghislaine, Maxwell and Epstein, but one in particular is a doozy. Even after they broke up as a couple, they remained extremely close. When he attended profile events, she was his date. When he needed young girls, she either found them herself or commanded one of Epstein's young charges to find a girl who could take care of him. In 2015, Jaffre, the victim, sued Maxwell for defamation after Maxwell accused Jeffrey of lying. In a panic, Maxwell emailed Epstein. She tells him she is being told to put out a statement that will distance her from him. She adds, they need me to say I was not aware of massage with Andrew in my house. That email took my breath away. Not because I didn't strongly suspect it to be true, because here it was at last, on a page, an admission that what Joffrey had long contended that Prince Andrew had long denied was true. He was getting massages from Epstein's victims in Maxwell's home. These were the kind of messages that Epstein's victims say often ended with sexual satisfaction on the part of the men being massaged. Then back and forth with Wolf about the sex stuff who clearly knew about it, On and on.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's plenty more we need to get to on this. We've got a clip of Trump a decade ago talking about Epstein and Bill Clinton. That to me means Trump must not have had anything he was worried about. Read the world of Epstein. That's the way I take it.

[Joe Getty]

Let me hit you with Joe Nassera's last paragraph. Epstein's correspondence could have tried to stop him or reported him to the authorities or at least decided to have nothing to do with him. Instead, many of them circled the wagons protecting a horrific sexual offender. He was rich, well connected and lived lived a seemingly glamorous life. They preferred his friendship to looking straight away at his crimes. It is shameful. And even all these years after the first Epstein revelations, shocking.

[Jack Armstrong]

He is Gatsby. Wow. We got a lot more. Stay with us.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Before we get to something important. The Simpsons killed off another longtime character Sunday night on the new episode of the Simpsons, Alice Glick, the church organist who shows up in a whole bunch of episodes. My son, who could be the world's leading expert on the Simpsons, went through all the different episodes for me yesterday that she appears in.

[Joe Getty]

She's quoted or shows up or that's wow. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

He knows that for some reason apparently. Larry Summers, former president of Harvard, secretary of the treasurer on all kinds of boards, highly involved with OpenAI. He stepped down because of these embarrassing emails came out. Man, not only are you trying to sex up your the people you're mentoring as a like super rich, powerful, well known college professor, you're trying to sex up this girl that comes to you for mentor advice and you get caught. You're getting your advice from freaking Epstein. I mean, it's unbelievable. Anyway, so apparently yesterday or the day before, because he's still teaching at college at Harvard, he apologized to his Harvard class.

[Joe Getty]

Some of you will have seen my statement of regret expressing my shame with.

[Jack Armstrong]

Respect to what I did in communication.

[Joe Getty]

With Mr. Epstein and that I've said that I'm going to step back from.

[Jack Armstrong]

Public facilities for a time, but I.

[Joe Getty]

Think it's very important to fulfill my teaching obligations.

[Jack Armstrong]

With your information on.

[Joe Getty]

We're going to go forward and talk about the material.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're going to go forward and talk about the material rather than the fact that I would sex up many of you in the room right now. I'm looking at you. I'm looking at you, Lou. You look at him. In fact, I. If email. If Epstein wasn't dead, I would email him today saying, how do you think I should get her in bed?

[Joe Getty]

Well, I'm told he took partial responsibility. No. What's that? The control room is talking to me. Oh, full responsibility. He took full responsibility, so it's okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

I do feel like the Larry Summers part of this has a bit of the Streisand effect going, that if he hadn't, like, made such a big, giant public show of his contrition, way fewer people would have heard about it.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's a number of powerful people that are involved in these Epstein emails, and they haven't come out and said, oh, my God, I can't believe I did that. I'm sorry. I'm residing from all my things.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but come on. He was way high on the salacious scale. I mean, soliciting Epstein's advice on how to hit on a mentee as a married dude. That's a good headline.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is not cool.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And. And you're getting your advice from Epstein. And this is years after Epstein was.

[Joe Getty]

Convicted of being their buds. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just didn't matter. So got a clip coming up. It's Trump bringing up Epstein to a reporter in 2015, long before I'd even heard his name.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. Which I think shows that he must not be worried about his relationship with Epstein. I think. See what you think. And then the three big questions still swirling around this whole thing that either will or will not be answered, but they are the big questions. But Trump from 2015 bringing up Clinton and Epstein.

[Joe Getty]

Stay tuned. Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ready for the headline of the day?

[Joe Getty]

Hit me.

[Jack Armstrong]

I suggest you put on a helmet and buckle your seatbelt. Headline of the day, Jeffrey Epstein had a tiny penis. Shaped like a lemon says victim. This is from the New York Post today. Apparently one of the victims, you probably saw in the news, all the victims on the Capitol steps, candlelight vigil, cheering when the vote went down 428 to 1 in the House and the Senate just said rubber stamped it to release the Epstein files. One of the victims did an interview with Substack. This is actually kind of interesting. Wasn't there another trying to remember what sexual perv it came out had a like practically deformed Harvey who?

[Joe Getty]

Weinstein. Right. Well, and just recently there was something about the Golden State Killer who was a murdering rapist in the Sacramento area, in the Bay Area back in the 70s. Forgive me if I'm wrong on that.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you're right, Weinstein, they said that about him too. So sometimes these people are driven by, you know, they, they had an unfortunate physical abnormality and it makes them crazy.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, they, they have overwhelming desires to, to sexually, you know, dominate someone.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, this woman, I mean it doesn't sound like she's trying to be reading this interview. Doesn't sound like she's trying to be, you know, salacious. For salacious stake sake. She's just describing. No, he had like, he was practically deformed, she says. So that's interesting, talking about Jeffrey Epstein and the whole thing and the files being released and Trump's gonna sign in at a law today and then the Justice Department has 30 days to get the stuff out and holy cow, how long will this story dominate Washington D.C. i thought this was really interesting. I watched Mark Halperin, who is one of the more fair journalists in my mind that exist out there and his video cast yesterday afternoon all after all this went down. He has three questions that he says remain out there. I'm with him on two of them. I'm not sure about the third one. But first he played this. So back in 2015, this is before Donald Trump even announced he was going to run for president the first time when it was still like a long shot really that he was ever going to get into politics. He spoke at the CPAC convention and Mark Halpern was there as a journalist at the time for Bloomberg and got Donald Trump to stop by the tent after he spoke. And Donald Trump brought up unprovoked Jeffrey Epstein. And Halperin's belief is that Trump was thinking about running, thought his likely opponent was going to be Hillary Clinton, which turned out to be right. And that he needed to damage the whole Clinton brand and there and Bill Clinton's attachment to Epstein. And so he was introducing the topic into the bloodstream of the media or trying to way back then, which makes me think that you ain't got much to hide. I wouldn't think you'd be like trying to bring up the whole Epstein thing when nobody heard about this and you know, and make it a big story. If you, if you were involved in stuff that you wanted kept secret, doesn't that mean just make sense on a logical standpoint? But anyway, here, here's that actual.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that would be an insane gamble. God, I wish you knew you were dirty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, this, this is Trump talking to halperin. Back in 2015. You raised the question of Jeffrey Epstein in your remarks about in the Q and A.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I think he's got a problem. What do you think the problem will be?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. But that island was really a cesspool.

[Joe Getty]

There's no question about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just ask Prince Andrew.

[Joe Getty]

He'll tell you about it. The island was an absolute cesspool.

[Jack Armstrong]

So he's been there for many times.

[Joe Getty]

Well, I can't say friends, but I.

[Jack Armstrong]

Know friendly, you know them, they play.

[Joe Getty]

At my clubs a lot. I have clubs and everybody likes to play at clubs. Are you saying there's a political problem for her if she runs for president?

[Jack Armstrong]

It could be a political problem.

[Joe Getty]

Look, he could be a political problem right now. He's tough flawn. And right now maybe not, but he could end up being a political.

[Jack Armstrong]

He wanted to get out there that there's a problem between Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein and his island. Just ask Prince Andrew. So Trump was completely aware of at least the Prince Andrew angle and probably lots of different angles of what was going on in Epstein world.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't remember what was known in 2015.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think any. Well, I mean, you mean among normal people or among the elite? I mean, among the people anybody really.

[Joe Getty]

Was. Was the Prince Andrew thing out in 2015 or was Trump kind of outing it? Yeah, but you didn't really follow the story.

[Jack Armstrong]

It certainly wasn't on anybody's radar, like as a regular topic in the way that it has been over the last however many years. But yeah, I think he was trying to introduce the topic of Epstein to people. The island, the purple island.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trying to alert the media. Here's something to look into. You wouldn't do that if you had something to hide, would you? That would be crazy, right? I don't know. To me that just the logic behind that is. Okay, so here are the Three questions Mark Halpern has that haven't been answered and you can determine whether or not you think they're a big deal. One, what was the relationship between Donald Trump and Epstein when they were friendly and then what caused the break? That he's had different answers for that. Kind of different moving explanations for why they broke. Number of different times. Why did he fly in Epstein's plane? Halperin said, I've known Trump a long time. He didn't fly in other people's planes. He's got his own plane. He gets everywhere he wants to be on his own plane. It's unlike him to fly in somebody else. Why was he flying in Epstein's plane? What, what were they? What was the, how close were they? And then what was the break? Because they've given different answers over the years. So that's kind of interesting. Again, I don't think there's going to end up being anything there with Trump that's gonna damage him seriously. So question number two is more interesting. Maybe fits in with question number one. Everybody's wondering, Halperin says in dc, what the hell is the deal with Ghislaine Maxwell getting moved through that super comfy prison?

[Joe Getty]

Nobody can explain that sex offenders are never sent.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nobody can explain that. Or come up with an example of that happening in the past of somebody convicted of what she's convicted of just out of. And. And it happened right after she does her eight hour interview with the number one. Number two, but really the number one at the Justice Department, what is that?

[Joe Getty]

It's a pure quid pro quo. If it's not, I'd be shocked. I mean, it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and is paddling across a pond.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. Quid pro quo means something for something. What's the something? And what's the something in this?

[Joe Getty]

You sit down for an interview and Mitch, you make it infinitely clear that Donald Trump did nothing untoward when he knew Jeffrey Epstein. At the time, Trump thought that was enough. In return, we send you to the Kush prison.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's almost got to be that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's Outcome's razor. So if it's different than that, I'll be interested to find out. But come on back to the duck. The duck has got Occam's razor in its beak. Please. That's right, Quacky.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is quacking, it is swimming, it is having baby ducklings. I mean, it's. Right, it's a duck, but. So that kind of blows up the first one on when, you know, he, he brought up, he was introducing Epstein. He mentioned it in the CPAC speech and then wanted to talk to journalists about the Clintons and Epstein. You wouldn't.

[Joe Getty]

You know how easily ruffled Trump's feathers are. Speaking of birds of a feather, how easily butthurt he is. He was like, people are saying, I was pervin with, with the king of the pervs. I wasn't. It needs to stop. I want it to stop. Who can stop it? Well, Ghislaine Maxwell, maybe. All right, get her to say I didn't do anything. Well, we're going to have to cut her a deal. I don't care. Says Trump cut her a deal. Just get her to say I didn't do anything. I think it was as simple as that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which she did. She very specifically said that Trump was not involved in any of this.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And then she goes, quite reasonably assumed would be plenty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then the third one, unless it.

[Joe Getty]

Looked like a quid pro quo, in which she said, well, yeah, I'll say anything. What do you want me to say? LBJ was there getting handies, okay, LBJ was there, fine. Now send me to the tennis camp.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, if he commutes her sentence or pardons her, Holy crap. Maybe that's the deal. Maybe they told her, look, you got three and a half years. You're gonna live in this tennis camp for three and a half years. He's gonna pardon you on the way out the door when he's an old man and no longer has any political anything. People will scream and yell, but they'll forget about what are they gonna do? And you'll be out. So just hang on.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, probably.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are you liking the food? If you're not liking the food, I'll get a different chef.

[Joe Getty]

Right, because she's gotten special privileges even at the tennis camp. Right? Yeah, yeah, something's going on there, obviously. Bro, put the duck back right, Quacky, please.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, here's the third one, which I'm surprised by. From as level headed a journalist as is around is out there, to my mind, Mark Halperin says he's not convinced Epstein killed himself. He's done it. He spent a lot of time with the videos and the explanations and why the guards weren't there and who wasn't watching the videos and who was supposed to be and how Epstein ended up in a cell alone and blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's not convinced that Epstein killed himself or. Or there wasn't. At least they put him in A situation where he could kill himself and get away with it when they're not supposed to do that. Etc.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Oh yeah, that word. Absolutely.

[Jack Armstrong]

Where are you on that?

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I've changed my mind, by the way, but I want to hear your explosive comment.

[Joe Getty]

All right, here's what I would say about whether he killed himself or not. Due to the sloppiness and corruption at the jail in New York. It will never be provable that he didn't. And the idea that, well, they just made it easy enough for him to go ahead and do it by leaving him unmonitoring, perhaps having been paid off in some way, maybe. Yeah, that's. Again, that's going to be difficult to prove, but impossible to disprove. And not just for the obvious reason that it's impossible to prove a negative. It's just so sloppy and corrupt.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I have been from the beginning, 100%. He killed himself. My thinking all along was the guy's living the greatest by, by his standards, not mine. Greatest life in the world is rich and powerful and all the sex he wants and flies around his plane and got his own island and all this sort of stuff. And what, he's gonna spend the rest of his life in prison? Who wants that? And all the embarrassing stuff that's gonna come out. I. I always thought that makes sense. You kill yourself in that situation. But as has been pointed out, and I don't know why he, he got convicted of this sort of thing before and he didn't kill himself and he spent 13 months in prison and then he got out and went back to his super cool life. So why wouldn't he have thought that he could have done that?

[Joe Getty]

Again, more serious charges, I don't have them in front of me, but more serious charges and a repeat offender. He was doomed.

[Jack Armstrong]

You don't think, living the life he lived that he thought, I'm still gonna beat this. I got connections whether it's Donald, whether it's the Clintons, I got somebody that's gonna pardon me at some point, maybe I have to do a couple years in prison, blah, blah, blah.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, he thought that for a while. Then when he realized it wasn't going to happen, he thought, good night now. But I don't know, I don't know for sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think the guards turned their back, they dim the lights. Hillary Clinton comes walking in with a bed sheet. We'll never know. We will never know. And that's Hillary Clinton.

[Joe Getty]

LAUGH Michael, just what are you you placing, what are you doing? You're looking at real estate. Emailing your friends.

[Jack Armstrong]

Click clock, click clock. Sensible heels walking down the hall of the prison having just choked out Jeffrey Epstein.

[Joe Getty]

Epstein's thinking, why is somebody wearing heels on the cell block? That's weird. Hillary.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I like the idea that Hillary choked him herself as an old woman.

[Joe Getty]

The waddling old gala couldn't even get in and out of a van back in 2016. Yeah, she's doing strong. I'm doing wet work, as they say, you know, as recently as 2019. Sure. Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Any thoughts on any of this? You can text us. 415295, KFTC.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I mentioned the headline of the day from the New York Post. Jeffrey Epstein had a tiny, extremely deformed penis shaped like a lemon. Says victim. This is from a substack interview yesterday. One of the victims that was on the Capitol steps yesterday that cheered when the vote went down to release the files. I don't know if any of the files include the shape of his junk.

[Joe Getty]

No, this is audio of a deposition back in, what do we have a year on this? Fairly recently before his death. Well, go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

Addressing this issue. Yeah. Okay. Could you please give us your name? Jeffrey Epstein. Is it true, sir, that you have what's been described as an egg shaped penis form? Vague, indefinite.

[Joe Getty]

And I'm going to give you the.

[Jack Armstrong]

First one in this particular that these types of questions are not only argumentative, but directed in a manner to embarrass Mr. Epstein.

[Joe Getty]

If you continue with this type of question, I will adjourn the deposition immediately.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sir. According to the police department's probable cause affidavit, one witness described your penis as oval shaped and claimed when a. It was towards the bottom, but was thin and small towards and called it egg shaped. Those are not my words. I apologize, but as Mr. As Mr. Critten has stated that this is a.

[Joe Getty]

I'm willing to continue.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, is it a lemon or an egg?

[Joe Getty]

I mean, don't send you to the grocery store if you don't know the difference between a lemon and an egg.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we got to nail this down.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I'm not quite sure why it was bleeped in that way, but Yeah, I like these 2009.

[Jack Armstrong]

I get the. I get the lawyer saying that's meant to embarrass my client. I don't understand the. It's argumentative.

[Joe Getty]

Maybe they had been claiming a lemon before, and now they're saying egg. And so which is it?

[Jack Armstrong]

What's next? Ping pong ball? When's this end? This is a witch hunt.

[Joe Getty]

And I don't think at this point anybody disputes that Jeffrey Epstein was pervin on young women and underage girls and the rest of it. So his schwann sticke and its shape is just not material at this point? I don't think.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I don't think so. Well, probably. Do you think that that was meant. Just meant to embarrass him? Was that the reason to bring it up?

[Joe Getty]

No, I think it was to substantiate the witness testimony. I've that in several sexual abuse cases.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, yeah. Including Bill Clinton.

[Joe Getty]

I'm not sure why the guy running the deposition wouldn't allow it. Unless that was Epstein's attorney.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wasn't that. Wasn't that part of the whole Bill Clinton thing that Paula Jones could identify his particularly shaped first. The first penis.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, indeed.

[Jack Armstrong]

Katie, you got nothing?

[Joe Getty]

No, don't. Really? No. Why would you. No, no. I'm. I'm through with this. And I won't let the good lady be. Be sullied by your. Your. You know, I appreciate that you're into this. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome. Raccoons are showing early signs of domestication.

[Jack Armstrong]

Eggs and lemons are pretty similar.

[Joe Getty]

They're not totally dissimilar. Your next pet. This. I. This is the way it intended to tease this story. Your next pet could be a raccoon. Stay with us. They are cute. Oh, they got the little masks.

[Jack Armstrong]

Football's similar to an egg or a lemon.

[Joe Getty]

Not in size. Rugby, we're talking.

[Jack Armstrong]

Would be closer. Rugby ball would be closer to an egg or a lemon.

[Joe Getty]

Well, again, not totally dissimilar. I mean, I think we're. Your Honor, we're getting caught up over details here.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're being argument on home.

[Joe Getty]

Another word for raccoons. Trash pandas. Trash pandas. That's how Judy and I refer to them all the time.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, if you want a cute little pet that in the middle of the night will turn into a wild animal and rip your kid's face off, this might be for you. Stay tuned.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Okay. Good taste. Yeah, we'll have that.

[Jack Armstrong]

And we got to get into that Democrat lady, Epstein. We'll take a break from Epstein. But that Democrat lady who was talking to Epstein during a hearing, Right? Did you hear that story?

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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