She's Chunkin' Up.

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: She's Chunkin' Up
Date: November 10, 2025
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty covers the fallout from the recent government shutdown, the political dynamics among Democrats, the role of media during the shutdown, and a heated (and controversial) discussion about Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. In the second half, the hosts tackle trends in decluttering, the results of the New York City mayoral race, generational divides in politics, and grade inflation's impact on young voters. The conversation concludes with a brief look at Trump, BBC scandals, and the culture of media manipulation.

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1. Government Shutdown’s End & Political Fallout

[03:27–10:51]

• Shutdown Ending: The hosts discuss how the prolonged government shutdown is about to end after eight Democratic senators crossed party lines to reopen the government without securing their initial demands.

  • “The shutdown is going to end this week. Government workers will be back to work Thursday." – Jack Armstrong [03:43]
  • "Eight senators, Democrats crossed and said we’ll vote to end this thing without getting any of the stuff that we’re demanding for the past 40 days." – Jack Armstrong [03:37]

• Impact on Air Travel: Staffing issues have led to significant flight delays; there’s concern over air traffic controller shortages as many retired during the shutdown.

  • “A whole bunch of air traffic controllers retired during the shutdown, which seems weird to me.” – Jack Armstrong [03:56]

• Political Blame & Resentment: The hosts critique Chuck Schumer for leading Democrats into a no-win situation. They anticipate long-term resentment from moderates within the party.

  • “Chuck Schumer, Nosferatu Schumer, has absolutely screwed himself because the people who caved…they’re pissed off at him forever…” – Joe Getty [05:39]
  • "He's up against Ocasio Cortez and actuary tables. He's got both of them bearing down." – Katie [06:16]

• Shutdown in Media: The “Sunday talk shows” are called out for overhyping the shutdown as a major crisis, despite general public indifference unless directly affected.

  • “Most of the Sunday talk shows—that, God, I hope you don’t watch them. What a waste of time.” – Katie [04:56]

• Intra-party Criticism: The progressive wing is portrayed as outraged by Senate Democrats giving in, with notable figures like AOC and Gavin Newsom being mentioned.

  • “Ocasio Cortez was horrified that they gave in and how this is affecting people’s lives.” – Katie [10:21]

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2. Notable Exchange: George Stephanopoulos vs. Scott Bessant

[06:28–08:41]

• The hosts recount and lampoon a combative exchange on TV between Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant and journalist George Stephanopoulos over the filibuster, past shutdowns, and alleged hypocrisy.
  • “You basically called the Republicans terrorists and you said that it is not the responsible party that keeps the government closed.” – Katie [07:18]
  • Stephanopoulos tries to focus on current issues but is pressed with past quotes:
    “I got all your quotes here, George.” – Katie impersonating [07:48]
  • The hosts marvel at the repetitive nature and posturing of such political old games.

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3. Controversial Segment: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez “Chunkin’ Up”

[10:51–13:25]

• Body-Shaming Controversy: In a contentious and arguably misogynistic segment, the hosts remark on AOC’s physical appearance and its alleged role in her political rise.
  • “AOC’s chunking up, Katie.” – Joe Getty [10:59]
  • “I haven’t noticed.” – Jack Armstrong [11:16]
  • “She’s maturing, Jack. As a young woman. She’s moved into her 30s and still hasn’t legislated…” – Joe Getty [11:18]
  • “There’s one of the only reasons I comment on the fact that she’s chunking up is…what percentage of her getting elected had to do with her looks?...90%.” – Katie [11:38]
  • Joe Getty distances himself from the body-shaming as the conversation continues:
    • “I disassociate myself from this. A word from our friends at Simplisafe Home Security.” – Joe Getty [12:34]
• Self-Awareness/Pushback: Joe repeatedly calls the discussion “objectionable” and “sexist.”
  • “I find this entire discussion objectionable. Sexist, Ableist, Sizest. I don’t even know these words. I see them now and again.” – Joe Getty [14:23]

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4. News & Trends: Decluttering & Household Organization

[14:31–24:53]

• Hot Decluttering Trends: The team discusses internet-popular organizing methods for fall/holiday prep:
  • The 9090 Rule ("If you haven’t used it in the last 90 days and you don’t think you’re going to use it in the next 90 days, it’s gotta go." – Katie [19:38])
  • The 80/20 Rule: Keep space 20% empty for flexibility.
  • The 20/10 Rule: 20 minutes cleaning, 10 minute break (rejected as impractical).
  • The 12-12-12 Challenge: Toss, donate, or put away twelve items each.
  • The Four Box Method: trash, donate, keep, relocate—praised for usability.
  • The Core Four Method: Clear out, categorize, cut out, contain.
  • Two-Minute Rule: Do quick tasks immediately.
  • “Waiting, waiting. Plus the rogues gallery at the Zoran Mumdani victory party…” – Joe Getty [14:46]
• Personal Experiences:
  • Jack and Joe share difficulties with clutter and the futility of certain rules.
  • Joe’s “room-to-room song” for picking things up: “Go room to room and pick s--- up…just go from room one room to the other and pick s--- up.” – Joe Getty [22:13]

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5. NYC Mayoral Election & the “Trust Fund Communist” Debate

[28:04–33:15]

• Election Results: Zoran Mamdani, characterized as a “trust fund communist,” is elected mayor of New York City, largely supported by college-educated elites rather than the working class.

  • “Zamdani…promised to improve the lives of working people by giving away free stuff, which explains why some of his biggest margins were among voters with advanced degrees.” – Joe Getty [29:49]
  • “He won the elite. And there are enough elite in New York for him to be the mayor. He lost the working class.” – Katie [32:03]

• Victory Party “Rogue’s Gallery”:

  • The hosts spotlight controversial figures at Mamdani’s celebration, including Mehdi Hassan, Hassan Piker, and Mahmoud Khalil, critiquing the far-left and anti-Israel sentiments.
  • “An avowed pro Soviet communist...Piker said, this is a country that defeated the ussr, unfortunately.” – Joe Getty [32:54]

• Hypocrisy in Political Identity:

  • Despite appeals to working-class roots, elite support and over-educated yet underemployed voters drove Mamdani’s win.
  • “In his speech about ‘I stand up for the immigrant this and the working class that.’ No, you didn’t get their votes.” – Joe Getty [32:06]

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6. Discussion: Grade Inflation, Over-educated Youth & Capitalism

[33:15–41:51]

• Alicia Finley's Editorial: The podcast extensively discusses Alicia Finley’s theory that grade inflation and higher ed subsidies have bred a class of unemployable, entitled college graduates who are now driving leftist, anti-capitalist politics.

  • “Colleges are graduating hordes of young people who lack hard or even soft skills. Even as employers complain about the dearth of qualified workers, a growing college educated proletariat can't find jobs. They want to work. They believe their degrees aren't adequately rewarded by the free market, and they blame capitalism.” – Joe Getty reading Finley [35:18]
  • “For Gen Zers, work is now more depressing than unemployment. Dwell on that headline for a minute.” – Katie [37:36]
  • “Students pretend to do their work and academics pretend to grade them.” – Joe Getty reading Finley [39:36]

• Boomers, Trades, and Labor Shortages:

  • Massive college output unaccompanied by real-world skills, labor shortages in trades, and societal stigma around blue-collar work.

• Societal Commentary:

  • “You can’t blame the kids, though. I mean, we adults created this world…they didn’t raise themselves.” – Katie [41:05]
  • Critique of modern universities as customer service businesses more than academic institutions.

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7. Brief Notes: Trump, The BBC, and Manipulated Media

[46:18–50:03]

• Trump at Sporting Events: Light segment on Trump attending a football game and reflecting on his high school athletic prowess and love for headlines.
  • “I realized at that moment, having your name in the headlines is good. And he did that for the rest of his life and still does.” – Katie [46:55]
• BBC Scandal: The hosts report on top BBC executives resigning after being caught editing a Trump speech, making it appear more inflammatory regarding January 6th.
  • “You got caught fabricating something completely. I mean, that is just outrageous.” – Katie [49:56]
  • “The world’s largest and oldest broadcaster.” – Joe Getty [49:59]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Political Performances:
  • “Candidates give you an extra, like, shiny, nice, acceptable version of themselves during the election.” – Joe Getty [29:25]
• Grade Inflation & Entitlement:
  • “Their life experience has taught them that they don’t need to work hard. A recent Harvard report found that A’s account for 60% of the grades, compared with 25% just two decades ago.” – Joe Getty [38:54]
• Regarding AOC:
  • "She's got eyes like a Disney princess and is built like a brick..." – Joe Getty [12:14]
    (Shows the blend of tone: irreverent, sometimes biting, and often bordering on inappropriate.)
• On Decluttering:
  • “If it'll take me less than a minute, I do it right then.” – Joe Getty [23:05]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Shutdown Fallout & Staffing [03:27–06:28]
• Stephanopoulos Exchange [06:28–08:41]
• Democrats’ Internal Critique [09:19–10:51]
• AOC Segment [10:51–13:25]
• Decluttering Trends [14:31–24:53]
• NYC Election & Elites [28:04–33:15]
• Grade Inflation & Labor Market [33:15–41:51]
• Trump, BBC, & Media Manipulation [46:18–50:03]

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Tone and Style

• The hosts maintain their signature sarcastic, sometimes acerbic banter, occasionally veering into controversial or politically incorrect territory (particularly in the AOC segment).
• The conversational format is fast-paced, loaded with cultural references and asides.
• While tackling weighty topics (politics, economics, media criticism), humor and skepticism of political theater pervade the tone.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode dives deep into the real and performative aspects of the recent government shutdown, internal Democratic dynamics, the performative nature of politics, and the troubling effects of grade inflation and higher education on American youth’s politics and prospects. The NYC mayoral race becomes a vehicle for discussing leftist elite hypocrisy and how frustrated, highly-educated-yet-underemployed young people fuel this political shift. Listeners get practical tips on decluttering their homes with a dose of self-aware, relatable failure. The episode closes with a critical eye toward media manipulation, the resignation scandal at the BBC, and the cult of modern celebrity in politics.

Note: Some segments, especially regarding public figures' appearance, include language that could be considered offensive or inappropriate; the hosts at times acknowledge this.

Transcript

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[Katie]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center.

[Jack Armstrong]

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Katie]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong. And get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

71% of flights delayed.

[Katie]

On Saturday were all because of staffing issues. And since the beginning of the shutdown, more than 4 million passengers have personally experienced travel troubles. Okay, that's a bit of a misleading stat. How many millions of travelers get delays on a regular weekend, I wonder? Quite a few, as that is just the way flying is in the United States now. No, it's a huge problem. The headline being the shutdown is going to end this week. Eight senators, Democrats crossed and said we'll vote to end this thing without getting any of the stuff that we're demanding for the past 40 days. And that's seen by some as caving. I don't know how else you would see it, but the shutdown is going to end this week. Government workers will be back to work Thursday. Now, unraveling the whole airport thing, don't have any idea how long that's going to take because the Transportation Secretary Duffy announced a whole bunch of air traffic controllers retired during the shutdown, which seems weird to me. I mean you, you didn't have any expectation that it was gonna last more than a couple of weeks. You had a date in mind when you're gonna retire, but you moved it up because of the shutdown. That just seems weird to me. It's hard to imagine why that would.

[Joe Getty]

Happen, but I could see a certain number of them saying I'm sick of this crap in general, working for the government, I've got my pension, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, that is an interesting phenomenon.

[Katie]

Regardless, apparently that happened. And so when the airports, you know, are operating back at full power, they might not just have enough air traffic controllers. So we'll have to see how that plays out over the week. I was going to fly in or out, in and out of LA this next weekend, completely forgot about the shutdown and was went to booking a flight yesterday and it was like usually there's 50 choices, there were like two. So I mean it had a huge impact on the availability of flights night and day. So how long that lasts I do not know. But the shutdown is going to come to an end this week. Yesterday on the talk shows, most of the Sunday talk shows that, God, I hope you don't watch them. What a waste of time.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I'm sorry. I knew I had one thing to say about the shutdown. I think Chuck Schumer, Nosferatu Schumer has absolutely screwed himself because the people who caved, and that's a decent enough word, they're pissed off at him forever putting him in this position because moderate Democrats knew this was a joke the entire time. So he's accomplished nothing but grown resentment among his caucus in the American people. He's still going to get primaried from his left and his left on the timeline, if you know what I mean, as he is a very old dude. So yeah, it was, it was a like a last ditch gamble and it didn't work. Go away.

[Katie]

That's right. He's up against, he's up against Ocasio Cortez and actuary tables. He's got both of them bearing down.

[Joe Getty]

At influencer Sandy Cortez and Father Time.

[Katie]

All coming for him. So the shutdown is going to end. Yesterday though, on the stupid Sunday talk shows, most of them led with it like it was the biggest crisis in America. Unless you're planning to fly or you eat off the government dime, you weren't paying that much attention to the shutdown. Anywho, Scott Bessant, who's the secretary of the treasurer, was on with George Stephanopoulos. George Stephanopoulos was a key player in the Democratic Party back in the day Clinton White House. And they got into an argument about previous shutdowns and Scott Besson had done a little research and was ready to go on that. And here's how it turned out. President continues to post about ending the filibuster. Is that, is that the best way to end the shutdown right now? Is that what the administration's position is? No, George, the best, the best way to do it. And look, you were involved in a.

[Joe Getty]

Lot of these in the 90s and.

[Katie]

You know, you basically called the Republicans.

[Joe Getty]

Terrorist and you know, you said that.

[Katie]

It is not the responsible party that keeps the government closed. And so what we need is five brave moderate Democratic senators to cross the aisle because right now it is 52 to 3. 52 to 3.

[Joe Getty]

Five Democrats can cross the aisle and reopen the government.

[Katie]

That's the best way to do it. George, I can disagree with you about the history there, but we don't need.

[Joe Getty]

A history lesson right now.

[Katie]

George. No, no, no, George, George, sir, let's talk about what's happening right now. If you want. I got all your quotes here. I got all your quotes here, George. I'm sure you do. Let's talk about the situation. Read your book. So you got one, one purchase on.

[Joe Getty]

Amazon this week and that's very much what you said.

[Katie]

That's.

[Joe Getty]

It's a miss characterization of history.

[Katie]

But I do want to talk about right now. Yeah, okay, so that's to Fox. That's enough. So Fox had up on the TV screen today the quotes from George Stephanopoulos at the time and some of the quotes from his book where he didn't call the Republicans terrorists for shutting down the government and how behind the scenes he was going to try to portray it as this and that when he knew they weren't going to. Blah, blah, blah. It was the exact same game that everybody had been playing this past week. I like that though him say, well, let's not talk about the past, let's talk about today. No, no, let's not go back into the past. Okay.

[Joe Getty]

That's a mischaracterization of what I said, is that this whole stupid game, it's just so stupid.

[Katie]

Hopefully this is the last shutdown of my lifetime. They all end the same way, with a whimper and nobody gained a freaking thing. And it was just a stupid waste of time.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and it's instructive that they didn't drag a fifth Democrat. A, you know, first, second, third, fourth and fifth. Additional. No, eight of them said, yeah, this is stupid, we're done. So, all right, yeah, like you said, let's just put us, put this behind us and never speak of it again.

[Katie]

On the whole shutdown thing, the. Some of the mainstream media, or left meaning, are trying to present it as a Democratic win. I don't know what that is, but on your more fair media, they're quoting all kinds of Democrats who are the progressive wing of the Democratic Party is horrified that they gave in on it with the idea that, look, we had such a great night a week ago with the election, we got the wind at our back. Why did we cave now? This was terrible. So we'll see how this plays out in terms of an intra party fight.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. So they're trying to claim it's some sort of big victory. Wow. Well, I guess you just do that. You know, the Orwellian principle at its most base just, you know, you lost by three touchdowns. It was a great win for our team. I'm really proud of our boys. And you'd leave A certain number of people befuddled and or convinced you had a win can't hurt. I mean, people are so conditioned to lying. I hear that and think, what a bunch of liars. But there's a certain number of impressionable fools out there probably think, yeah, they stood up for little man.

[Katie]

The Gavin Newsom, for instance, said, we saw capitulation and a betrayal of working Americans. The American people need more from their leaders. That's what he said about the Democrats giving in. Ronna said, senator Schumer is no longer effective and should be replaced. If you can't lead a fight to stop health care premiums from skyrocketing, what will you fight for? Ocasio Cortez was horrified that they gave in and how this is affecting people's lives. So we'll see.

[Joe Getty]

I hope it didn't furrow a pretty little brow. Oh, my. All right, so can I say something?

[Katie]

It's not misogynist, but it could be portrayed that way and it's not very nice. AOC's chunking up, Katie.

[Joe Getty]

It's the. The. Wow. Wow. There was so much wrong with that. Where to begin?

[Jack Armstrong]

I haven't noticed.

[Joe Getty]

She's maturing, Jack. As a young woman. She's moved into her 30s and still having legislated. Not a wit as an Instagram influencer. I don't know. Maybe she's setting herself up for a WeGovy endorsement.

[Katie]

Here's the only reason I comment on Instagram feed.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Katie]

There's one of the only reasons I comment on the fact that she's chunking up is when she got elected. I remember talking to our old producer Sean, who was a lefty and, you know, in favor of her sort of politics. I said, what percentage of her getting elected had to do with her looks? She's very, very attractive. Yeah, he said probably 90%. Even agreeing with her politics. He said 90%. So that's why, you know, that that was a lot of her appeal that got her in the door, don't you think? Media wise?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

She's got eyes like a Disney princess and is built like a brick.

[Katie]

Capital.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, it's, it's, there's a lot to like there and, and she's got that little prom date voice of hers and everything. It's very alluring to many men.

[Katie]

Oh, capital's got a gym in the basement. Figure out what floor that's on.

[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

Executive producer Hanson actually first brought this to my attention a couple of weeks ago when some buddy made the comment that she's entered her mela stage, which is Spanish and I'm sure I'm pronouncing it incorrectly. It's just what, you know, we all get older and we gain weight, but, you know, it's kind of the grandmother gaining weight phrase for, you know, in the Mexican culture. She's entering her Mia Bueller stage.

[Joe Getty]

I find this entire discussion objectionable. Sexist, Ableist, Sizest. I don't even know these words. I see them now and again.

[Katie]

Certainly not nice. I do want to bring to you the. The hot new trend for organizing your house. Joe hates hot new trends. The 9090 rule to make to get rid of clutter before the holiday season hits and people start coming to your home.

[Joe Getty]

Somebody named one of the hot new trends we were talking about two weeks ago. Go ahead, talk to me about the lasting impact it had. Waiting, waiting. Plus the rogues gallery at the Zoran Mumdani victory party. He told us exactly who he is at that party. We need to break that down for you. Cool Rogues gallery.

[Katie]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Katie]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

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[Joe Getty]

I didn't before I had kids, but.

[Katie]

Since I had kids I got horrible clutter.

[Joe Getty]

And I cannot afford to be cynical about decluttering either. So let's hear it.

[Katie]

And there are a bunch of different the 9090 rule. Maybe that one works for you. The 8020 rule. The 121212 challenge, the four box method. That's just a few of the opportunities declutter 9090 rule. If you haven't used it in the last 90 days and you don't think you're going to use it in the next 90 days, it's gotta go now. I can think of exceptions to that, but I suppose most of the time it works.

[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

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[Joe Getty]

Funny that it holds up. That's great.

[Katie]

But mostly it's true. The 8020 rule, which is completely different than the 9090 dictates that your stuff should only take up 80% of a given space, a closet, a drawer or a bookshelf, leaving 20% empty so you.

[Joe Getty]

Can buy more stuff.

[Katie]

Man, I'm the opposite. I got 105% of stuff stuffed into every closet and it's just dumb. Most of it I'm never gonna wear or don't use. And then I fight to get a shirt or a jacket in or out all the time. It's just dumb.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Katie]

The 2010 rule instructs people to declutter or organize for 20 minutes, then take a 10 minute break, then 20 minutes and then 10 minute break. Okay. I have found with my personality type, if I, and it's not very often this happens. If I get on a cleaning jag, I better go until I drop because it might be a long time. Katie's nodding her head. It might be a long time before I get on a cleaning jag again. Yeah, I sit down for a 10 minute break. I'm not, I'm not gonna get back to it.

[Joe Getty]

No, that's a dumb rule. Wait till you're frustrated enough with yourself that you start the job, then work like a maniac until you're so sick of it you can't do it anymore. Rinse and repeat. A couple of months later, like the.

[Katie]

Three times a year I get on a cleaning organizing kick, I think, wow, this must be what it be it's like for other people who do this all the time. I'm enjoying this. Like I can't stop myself. I'm so motivated. But then, yeah, if I decide I'll watch the baseball game and then I'll get back to no, ain't going to happen, it's over. And it might be next June before I do it again.

[Joe Getty]

Judy was out of town for like five days last week and, and over the weekend and things got a little cluttery and I actually made up a stupid little song. I don't remember the melody, so I'm not going to inflict it upon you. But the lyrics were essentially, go room to room and pick s up. Because I was trying to remember what I wanted to do with the day. And I came up with just go from room one room to the other and pick s up. That's not where it's supposed to be.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just.

[Joe Getty]

And I'd sing it to myself as I went from room to.

[Katie]

I hate it so much. Like, I want to declutter, but the first thing I pick up when I get home today be the first thing I'd pick up. I'd be like, where should this go? I don't have a specific spot for this. I don't know where to put this. Just putting it in a different room isn't actually organizing. Just putting it in a room and closing the door isn't really organizing. God dang it. I'm just so bad at it when.

[Joe Getty]

It comes to cleaning. For me, my rule is if. If it'll take me less than a minute, I do it right then.

[Katie]

That's a good idea. That's a really good idea. How about the 121212 challenge?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy.

[Katie]

That calls for finding 12 items to throw away or recycle. 12 to donate and 12 to put back in their proper place. It turns decluttering into a game everyone can play. Well, that's a not fun game.

[Joe Getty]

Come on, kids.

[Katie]

We're not going to the amusement park today. We're gonna do the 121212 challenge. There's the four box method. This involves setting out four empty boxes in your living room that you've labeled trash. Donate, keep, or relocate.

[Joe Getty]

That's a good one.

[Katie]

That is pretty good.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. You get infrastructure in place so you can move more efficiently. Right.

[Katie]

And then they keep box you seal you put somewhere in the garage and forget about it. Yes.

[Joe Getty]

And then go through it next year when the 14, 148 challenge.

[Katie]

How about the core four method?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, there are more from God.

[Katie]

There's a bunch. Kyleen Kelly came up with this to describe the process for tackling stuff. The four steps are clear out, categorize, cut out, contain. The two minute rule dictates that if attack, this is yours. Basically, Katie only longer dictates that if a task can be completed in two minutes or less, always do it immediately. Don't put it off. Yeah, I like that. Whether it's one minute or two minute. Yeah. One, three, five rule. Okay. I don't know if I didn't get to the one in, one out rule. Don't be a slob would be a good rule.

[Joe Getty]

One in one out. I presume that's similar to the 121212 thing. So Zoran Mumdani at his victory party appeared with a gallery of rogues. He is telling us exactly who he is. More on that to come.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Katie]

Was elected mayor of New York City.

[Joe Getty]

He was elected.

[Katie]

A lot of Sliwa fans.

[Joe Getty]

He was elected mayor despite his opponent, Andrew Cuomo, receiving endorsements from Donald Trump and Eric Adams.

[Katie]

Which is like trying to bring a girl home by saying, not to brag.

[Joe Getty]

But I have hepatitis B and C. Yeah.

[Katie]

The main point of that clip was the young New York crowd's reaction to the communist winning. They're thrilled.

[Joe Getty]

Boy, I'm tempted right now. I had a different plan, but to go into Alicia Finley's brilliant piece that came out over the weekend. Grade inflation produced Mamdani's proletariat and she goes, it's brilliant. Get into that next hour. I hope you can stay with us. Would you agree it's kind of a truism that candidates give you an extra, like, shiny, nice, acceptable version of themselves during the election. Jack.

[Katie]

I mean, the general election.

[Joe Getty]

Well, just. Yeah, yeah. I mean, in an election, a politician is trying to come off as acceptable as possible as opposed to authentic. It is an idealized version of themselves.

[Katie]

Yeah. Oddly enough, I think the people that are closer to authentic seem to win more often. But, yeah, that's generally what happens.

[Joe Getty]

So Zamdani, who the the Free Beacon characterizes as a trust fund communist, promised to improve the lives of working people by giving away free stuff, which explains why some of his biggest margins were among voters with advanced degrees. But then he. They mention his big victory party. Alex Soros, the billionaire son of George Soros, celebrated by posting a photo of himself hosting Mandani, who wants to abolish billionaires at his luxury penthouse. The American dream continues, he wrote in the caption. That's just odd. But here's the part that really bothered me. Here's a charming image from the Mamdani victory Party. This is a single photograph which includes Mehdi Hassan, who is fired by MSNBC for his belligerent antisemitism. Standing next to Hassan Piker, a influencer who said the USA deserved 911 and lamented that the Soviet Union was defeated in the Cold War. We'll get more into that. Wow. Next to him is Mahmoud Khalil, the Colombia activist fighting deportation who refused to condemn hamas and said October 7th had to happen. And Jabal Jamal Bowman, who you may recall panicked in a vestibule. He had a moment of panic in a vestibule. According to aoc, he blamed his reelection loss on Jews using money to brainwash voters. These are the people Zoron celebrated his victory with.

[Katie]

In case you didn't catch what Joe said there earlier, the biggest story out of that, and we talked about it last week, in case you didn't hear it, is that Zoran only won because of college educated people. The working class, the non college educated went for Cuomo. Yes. So he stands up there as the leader of the proletariat against the, you know, the elite. He won the elite. And there are enough elite in New York for him to be the mayor. He lost the working class.

[Joe Getty]

You know, it's wild.

[Katie]

Nobody. Nobody's reporting it that way.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I know, I know. In his speech about I stand up for the immigrant this and the working class that. No, you didn't get their votes. They wanted to have nothing to do with you. That's why. You're right. And the fact that nobody's reporting on it is just obscene. But anyway, you know, we've got to get to that Alicia Finley piece. Now's the perfect time. But I just wanted to mention really quickly that far left radicals like Streamer, Hassan, Piker, and squad member Jamal Bowman, who declared that America is at the heart of the Imperial War and that socialism is not a dirty word anymore. Piker said, this is a country that defeated the ussr, unfortunately. Wow. Everyday Americans, in spite of their lack of class consciousness, are finally arriving at the conclusion that perhaps there's an alternative out there. There is an alternative that focuses on them as opposed to the interests of the billionaires and millionaires.

[Katie]

Wow. That's crazy.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, so an avowed pro Soviet communist.

[Katie]

Usually people like communism or socialism kind of In a vacuum with the, you know, it's never been tried properly attitude. But when a specific example of a obviously failed country like the ussr, you're disappointed that they lost to us. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And they mentioned Van Jones, observing that his speech was not the warm, open, embracing guy, but very edgy, very angry. His tone was sharp, almost yelling, piker was there who just said America deserved 9 11. When they saw Mahmoud Khalil, the anti Semitic leader at Columbia, they cheered, invited him on camera and hugged him, blah, blah, blah. They asked the host, Mehdi Hassan, asked the streamer, how do you feel about a socialist mayor? I feel electric. I feel amazing. Let's see. There's. There's more to this, but yeah, he's, he's really, he's, he's showing exactly what he really is and always was. But. So here's the part I love from Alicia Finley. Grade inflation produced Mamdani's proletariat unemployable. College grads blame capitalism, but the real culprit is higher ed subsidies. So this is the sort of thing that you good people really enjoy hearing about and it helps us all understand the world, but it's probably too complicated and subtle for it to make it into the political conversation, which is a little frustrating. But they quote, first of all, Palantir CEO Alex Karp, who's a really interesting guy. Karp with a kid. Um, he's an avowed, reasonable conservative. But he attributed Mamdani's election as New York mayor to a reverse class warfare. Quote, I think the average Ivy League Ivy League grad voting for this mayor is highly annoyed that their education is not that valuable. And the person down the street who knows how to drill for oil and gas, who's moved to Texas, has a more valuable profession. He has a point, she writes. Colleges are graduating hordes of young people who lack hard or even soft skills. Even as employers complain about the dearth of qualified workers, a growing college educated proletariat can't find jobs. They want to work. They believe their degrees aren't adequately rewarded by the free market, and they blame capitalism.

[Katie]

Wow, that's really interesting. So even if you talk about real degrees as opposed to like the grievances studies, you know, you came out with a woman's studies degree or something. What, what would you possibly do with that? But even if you. I was having this conversation with my son yesterday, getting into a paleontology program. So you graduate, you got a master's in paleontology. The world doesn't owe you a job just because you decided to spend six years discovering fossils or studying fossils.

[Joe Getty]

It doesn't work that way.

[Katie]

If there's not a reason for someone to employ you with that knowledge, it just ain't going to happen.

[Joe Getty]

But I think that's just such a good observation. We are cranking out these college graduates and they believe their degrees are not adequately rewarded by the free market and they blame capitalism. And then she points out, the real culprit is enormous government subsidization of higher education, which has distorted the labor supply. More than 7 million bachelor's degree recipients have entered the labor force in the last five years. Meanwhile, the number of workers without college degrees has shrunk by about 200,000 and those with associate degrees has shrunk by 1.1 million. Baby boomers and blue collar professions are retiring. Labor shortages are growing in industries like construction, trucking and manufacturing. The deportations have compounded the problem. Nearly 50% of small business owners report fewer no qualified job applicants. And they quote a couple of people saying we need to teach trades in high school Again, trade jobs can pay well, but there's a real shortage of those willing and able to do the jobs. But here's circling back to one of our major points. I think fortunately for many college grads, they have parents with the means to support them financially while they search for the perfect job. Young adults with lesser pedigrees may not be as picky about jobs they can't afford to pass up on. They'll be they will deliver packages for Amazon or man a supermarket cash register to pay their bills. But recent college grads view such drudgery as beneath them and think employers are too demanding. New York Times op ed just last week quote, for Gen Z ers, work is now more depressing than unemployment. Dwell on that headline for a minute.

[Katie]

That's clearly true and doesn't surprise me. That's a bad place for society to end up. You'd rather be living in your parents basement looking for the perfect job in quotes or a job that is not beneath you.

[Joe Getty]

Then it's supporting yourself and the insult of taking a job that's available.

[Katie]

So the person that's driving Uber and doing Amazon drop offs and maybe bartending all to to live in an apartment by themselves is looked down upon by the person living with their parents. That's not a good societal norm.

[Joe Getty]

The author of the piece writes. The entire process of getting and keeping an entry level job has become a grueling and dehumanizing ordeal over the past decade. Young people Grouse that employers are monitoring their productivity with surveillance state technologies and expecting them to do six jobs in a 40 hour work week. Alicia Finley writes, heaven forfend that they be asked to complete multiple assignments in a week like kids in grade school were once expected to do. And how dare employers refuse to pay them for scrolling TikTok. And then she goes into the fact that and this is really, this is where it hits home. It's understandable. Grads might feel indignant about employer demands after having earned stellar GPAs for little effort and mediocre work. Their life experience has taught them that they don't need to work hard. A recent Harvard report found that A's account for 60% of the grades, compared with 25% just two decades ago. Some 80% of grades awarded at Yale in 2023 were A's or A minuses. 80%. It almost requires an effort to get.

[Katie]

A C. I don't know about the world of Harvard and Yale looking for a job, but just coming out of college in general, if you were a straight A student and you went to college, you probably think there's somebody out there that wants to hire you, right?

[Joe Getty]

Well, right. And you have become a super achiever with a certain level of effort. And that seems to you to be the price level, as it were, of effort that you have to get to achieve, you know, high level success. And what you didn't realize is that that was like a government price cap. It was a market that was distorted by the inflated grades, you know. Johns Hopkins political scientist Yasha Maunk repeats an old joke I remember about the Soviet Union. A worker says, we pretend to work in. They pretend to pay us. And Alicia Finley writes, to an uncomfortable degree. American universities now work in a similar fashion. Students pretend to do their work and academics pretend to grade them. Parents and students who pay $80,000 a year expect high marks in return. And Mr. Mamdani's supporters are rightly angry. She writes about the value of their degrees and how their earnings have declined. Instead of blaming their woes on capitalism or Israel, they ought to be protesting big government in greedy colleges. That's why Mamdani won all the over under educated, soft graded little college graduates.

[Katie]

Well, you can't blame the kids, though. I mean, we adults created this world. You can't blame somebody who went to a good university and got really good grades for thinking, what now I can't find a job? Something must be wrong with the system.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I can blame. Well, no, you can't blame the kids because they didn't raise themselves. I can blame the Kristin Progressive left though.

[Katie]

Sure.

[Joe Getty]

For, for clogging up the universities with all these deans and administrators and DEI staffs and the rest of it and, and becoming a for profit, you know, customer service business where the, the, the plucky youngsters and their parents expect to see luxury dorms and delicious food and, and great gyms and recreation and the rest of it. It's become a day camp as opposed to a college or university. And then they get out and capitalism doesn't reward them adequately to pay off their obscene loans and so they blame capitalism.

[Katie]

Yeah, makes sense. That makes sense. That makes more sense than anything I thought about or heard. Yeah, I just, just saw on TV a highlight from the Lions Detroit Lions Washington Redskins game and Trump was there in the booth doing color commentary. We played some of that earlier. Anyway, one of the Detroit Lions scored a touchdown points up at Trump in the booth and then does the Trump dance.

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Katie]

That's so good.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's funny. Obviously on the sideline the guys are talking about, hey, Trump's up there. You're kidding up there.

[Katie]

Young black guy doing the Trump dance. Yes, we'll play some of that Trump in the booth. Among other things we've got coming up. Stay here.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Katie]

Way back with the sport of football you played at New York Military Academy.

[Joe Getty]

How old were you when you started playing football and what were some of.

[Katie]

The life lessons you took out of it?

[Joe Getty]

Well, I Did I played tight end.

[Katie]

But I mean, it was not quite football like this. It was a little bit easier. It wasn't so tough. And we had a couple quarterback who didn't have a very strong arm. I would say 10 yards was a long pass. So you were never tackled by a guy like John. If I was tackled by him, I would never forget it. What a Trump thing to do. Our quarterback didn't have a very good arm.

[Joe Getty]

60 years later, throwing him under the bus. He's in a home somewhere.

[Katie]

Right. Interesting thing I heard on Fox, though. So that was Trump last night at the Washington Commanders Detroit Lions game. And the President was in the booth there, and they're talking, showed a picture of him when he was playing football in high school, but he played baseball in high school and actually. Actually apparently was fairly good at it. And Trump mentioned how, first game he ever played, he hit two home runs. And there was a headline in the paper, trump hits home runs. And they actually showed the headline on Fox. And. And I thought this was interesting part. He said, I realized at that moment, having your name in the headlines is good. And he did that for the rest of his life and still does. Speaking of which, he's ordering the people to work at airports to get back to work. Get back to work. Like, now, today. The shutdown is going to end this week. Eight Democrats came across and voted, even though they didn't get any concessions on the whole health care thing other than an agreement to discuss it next month. But. So the shutdown's gonna end. It's gonna take a while to get flying back to normal. And Trump saying, get back to work. That's one interesting story. The other one is they just announced they're gonna sue. Trump's gonna sue the BBC for a billion dollars. This happened overnight. It's not getting near the attention it should be getting. The top two people at the BBC, which is the biggest news organization on planet Earth, it's pretty much NPR for Earth and about as fair in its news coverage most of the time. The BBC got caught editing a documentary that they dropped a week before our presidential election last year in which they'd taken two parts from Trump's speech on January 6th. Two things Trump said that were an hour apart. Putting it together to make it look way more like he had called for the riot at the Capitol. I mean, it was just awful journalism. You should not be able to get. They got away with it for a whole year. The Telegraph put out an article last week saying, whoa, whoa, whoa. We looked into this this editing is ridiculous. Hell came down on the BBC from a bunch of quarters, including people who work there. And the top two people there resigned last night. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Interestingly, the BBC commissioned this journalist to advise the BBC on standards and guidelines and what he found shocked him and he unleashed the hounds on the BBC itself. Said serious, systematic, systematic. A systemic bias. Rather accused the BBC of terrible and biased coverage of transgender issues as well as the network's anti Israel bias. Just slammed them.

[Katie]

Well, you have it wrong, apparently, because the head of the BBC until last night, Tim Davy, and the head of news, Deborah Turnus, said it was just an error of judgment. In hindsight, they made a mistake. God, that is unbelievable. You got caught fabricating something completely. I mean, that is just outrageous.

[Joe Getty]

The world's largest and oldest broadcaster.

[Katie]

Yeah. Trump suing him, which will put it in the headlines.

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