She's Draining Our Accounts From Space

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: “She’s Draining Our Accounts From Space”

Date: November 18, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Episode Overview

This lively episode centers on several of the week’s strangest and most compelling news stories, with Armstrong and Getty’s trademark mix of sharp political commentary, dry humor, and observational banter. From the latest revelations about the attempted Trump assassination to a bizarre space-bank-heist headline, the hosts provide thoughtful analysis, sociocultural observations, and plenty of laughs. Other highlights include the evolving legacy of Gavin Newsom, linguistic trends among young people, Ghislaine Maxwell’s unusual prison perks, and the debasement of U.S. currency.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Media Coverage: Epstein & Trump Assassination Attempt

[03:25–06:41]

• Only Fox News avoids leading with the Epstein story; every other network covers new details.
• Fox instead focuses on revelations about Thomas Crooks, the would-be Trump assassin.
• Joe reflects: “It’s just freaking luck that he didn’t blow Donald Trump’s head off in front of all of us and change world history.” (03:40)
  • Further musings on how world events would have changed had Trump been killed.

Investigation into Thomas Crooks

[04:52–12:37]

• Miranda Devine of the New York Post reveals new information about Crooks’ online activity:
  • Contrary to official statements, Crooks had active social media and made threatening comments online.
  • “He was a hardcore Trump supporter. I mean like really a big Trump supporter… and then flipped at some point.” (05:42)
  • Crooks made violent, racist, and anti-Semitic online posts under his real name.
• Discussion on lack of law enforcement action:
  • “Shouldn’t he have been on somebody’s radar?” (08:23, Joe)
  • The authorities initially described Crooks as an “online ghost”—which turned out to be false.
  • “Why did the authorities claim that this guy was an online ghost… when there is all sorts of information about this guy?” (11:50, Jack)

Crooks’ Disturbing Interests

[14:14–15:55]

• Crooks reportedly had “muscle mommy” and furry fetishes, with a notable online footprint.
• Jack: “He’s like a two sport athlete in terms of perversion or variation.” (15:15)
• Debate over how much these interests mattered, with tongue-in-cheek banter about furries and muscle mommies.
• Listeners are invited to weigh in via text: “If you know anything about it. Maybe you do. San Francisco Text Line 415295 KFTC.” (16:23, Joe)

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2. O.J. Simpson Estate & Goldman Family Settlement

[19:37–20:04]

• After 30 years, O.J. Simpson’s estate agrees to a $58 million claim from Ronald Goldman’s family.
• “I think Goldman going after his money all those years was to make O.J. miserable because he [O.J.] feels like he got away with murder.” (19:41, Joe)

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3. Political Landscape: Gavin Newsom in 2028

[26:09–33:34]

• Gavin Newsom’s new “Young Man in a Hurry” memoir generates discussion.
• Recent media—including Politico and Mark Halperin—anoint Newsom as the 2028 Democratic front runner.
• Hosts emphasize the disconnect between national media perceptions and the reality of California governance.
  • “They just have no idea what’s going on out here.” (29:32, Joe)
• Newsom as an “outsider-insider” in the tradition of Carter, Clinton, and Obama, but policy record is deeply divisive in California.
• Notable Quote: “Newsom is also the best-positioned Democrat according to the new rules of politics, namely whether you… can become famous by breaking through on social media… he gives main character energy.” (30:10, quoting Politico/Jack)

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4. Language Trend: The Disappearing ‘T’

[21:34–23:31]

• A story about “T glottalization”—the fading pronunciation of ‘T’ in words like ‘kitten’ or ‘mountain’—gets attention.
• The phenomenon is common among under-25s; hosts commiserate about their kids picking it up.
  • “My son does that and I have no idea.” (22:17, Jack)
  • Executive producer Mike Hanson joins to lament the trend: “It’s taking over our society… This needs to come to an end immediately.” (22:42)

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5. Tech Dependency & Outages

[23:58–25:18]

• Discussion of a Cloudflare outage leads to reflections on the vulnerability of interconnected web infrastructure.
• “If the Chinese ever decide to hack us, what’s going to happen? That we’ll all get to live through someday. And won’t it be exciting?” (24:31, Joe)

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6. The Space-Bank-Heist Divorce

[34:23–36:35]

• The episode’s namesake: “Woman pleads guilty to lying about astronaut wife accessing bank account from space station.”
• The bizarro headline prompts snarky speculation about estrangement, space-based bank fraud, and custody battles.
  • “Her lesbian astronaut wife draining the accounts from outer space.” (34:56, Jack)
  • “Can you imagine going to the bank manager and saying, ‘Yeah, I think it’s my wife… she’s draining our accounts from space.’” (36:14, Joe)

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7. Ghislaine Maxwell’s Prison Life

[36:43–37:45]

• Revelations surface about Maxwell’s “perks” in prison, including getting direct help from the warden.
  • “Would you be a dear? …I’ll send the IT guy. Oh no, you will attend to this personally.” (37:09, Joe, in satirical reenactment)
  • Speculates on “white collar” prison life as actually a break from unwanted attention.

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8. Inflation & Currency Devaluation

[39:26–40:56]

• Discussion around the penny’s (and other coins’) dramatically reduced value since 1966.
  • “A dime is worth what a penny was in 1966. That’s a good thing to know and keep in mind.” (39:41, Joe)
  • Jack analogizes the penny’s demise to inflation in accessible terms.

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9. Historical Content: Ken Burns’ New Series

[38:10–41:59]

• Ken Burns' “American Revolution” series begins airing; hosts look forward to sharing it with their kids.
• Thoughts on teaching the Revolution without excessive “woke” overlay.
  • “From what I’ve heard, no [wokeness].” (41:45, Jack)
  • “How does he think it’s important to keep that out of his documentaries, which he seems to have?” (41:49, Joe)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Crooks’s Online Comments:
  Joe: “Shouldn’t he have been on somebody’s radar?… I don’t know how many violent threats you can make on social media without ending up on some sort of FBI watch list…” (08:54)
• Muscle Mommy/Furry Banter:
  Jack: “He’s like a two sport athlete in terms of perversion or variation.” (15:15) Joe: “Maybe you’d like a muscle mommy dressed up as a grizzly bear. I don’t know.” (15:07)
• Political Frustration:
  “Governance-wise [Newsom’s] a nightmare. Ask any Cal Unicornians, including Democrats…” (27:30, Jack)
• Currency Bit:
  Joe: “A dime is worth what a penny was in 1966.” (39:41)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment Description | Timestamps | |---------------------|----------------| | Trump Assassination Attempt & Media | 03:25–06:41 | | Crooks’ Online Activity Exposé | 06:41–12:37 | | Crooks’s Fetishes & Online Behavior | 14:14–16:23 | | O.J. Simpson & Goldman Settlement | 19:37–20:04 | | Gavin Newsom 2028 Political Analysis| 26:09–33:46 | | Glottal T Speech Trend | 21:34–23:31 | | Bank Heist from Space Headline | 34:23–36:35 | | Ghislaine Maxwell Prison Bits | 36:43–37:45 | | Ken Burns, Revolution, & the Penny | 38:10–41:59 |

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Tone & Style

The episode mixes sharp, informed political analysis with irreverent asides and pop cultural banter. The tone is accessible, sardonic, and brisk, as the hosts riff off each other and off the day's most peculiar headlines.

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For Listeners: Why Tune In?

If you missed the episode, expect to catch up on the key political and cultural stories making headlines, delivered with wit, skepticism, and a dash of absurdity—trademark Armstrong & Getty. Topics range from deadly-serious crime and governance to linguistic quirks and coin values, always anchored by the hosts’ conversational chemistry and dry humor.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Okay, so I'm looking at my bank of televisions. I got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 televisions. And we're fortunate that we can do whatever we want. We can talk about whatever we want. Although obviously we have the goal of talking about things you're interested in. That's kind of how the business works. But everybody but Fox is leading the hour with some version of the Epstein story. And there's a lot of new stuff. There's a lot of new stuff that I find somewhat interesting, actually for the first time maybe ever in this whole saga. But everybody and Fox is going with the new revelations about the crazy kid that tried to assassinate Trump and almost did the Crooks person. So Fox has decided not to lead with Epstein, I guess, because Trump's name's attached to it. I don't know any who. More on that later. So this Thomas Crooks person, you remember, he climbed up on the roof there in Butler, Pennsylvania. Amazingly, he was able to climb up on a roof with a high powered rifle. People everywhere, people saw him, perfect line of sight to the President of the United States and squeeze off quite a few shots. And it's just freaking luck that he didn't blow Donald Trump's head off in front of all of us and change world history. I mean seriously, change world history. All of the Middle east stuff would be completely different. Obviously the economy, tariffs, all that sort of stuff. Completely different.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sure. 100 examples.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, 100 examples. And then playing out in ways that we'll never know. Anywho, Thomas Crooks, we now know more about him. And the big question from Miranda Devine of the New York Post is one of their lead reporters. She broke the 100 laptop story. The big question is why was this stuff kept from us earlier? Is there a reason for that? Some of the stuff that is out from Miranda Devine's reporting. Thomas Crooks had all kinds of different accounts out there and platforms that he was going on. A lot of this reporting has been done by people just like regular people out there figuring this stuff out and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why the Correct me if I'm wrong, the official word in the wake of his arrest and identification, well and death was that he really had no online presence. Mysterious.

[Joe Getty]

He was Ghost they called him. He had no online presence and not really in any political any this or that. It turns out actually he was a hardcore Trump supporter. I mean like really a big Trump supporter. We'll talk more about that in a second. Some of these posts and then flipped at some point. Nobody's exactly sure why to a Trump hater, but sources use publicly available research tools to link multiple email addresses to Crooks and then found usernames associated with those emails on all kinds of sites including YouTube, Snapchat, PayPal, Discord, Chess.com, quora, DeviantArt and others. So he had quite a presence on lots of different sites using different names. And it doesn't sound like it took super geniuses to figure out was him. Why the multi gazillion dollar FBI Secret Service investigation into this after he almost killed the President didn't uncover this stuff? Well, that's what the question is here.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I'm sure a lot of people would answer yelling at their listening device because the authorities didn't want to know that or didn't want to tell you that. Although having gotten to the end of this, I'm not sure what narrative to take away other than this guy was nuts.

[Joe Getty]

The FBI has not confirmed the details of Crook's possible social media accounts and did not respond to a request. So you have to remember the investigation would have happened under the Biden administration. FBI. Well, the Trump FBI is not commenting on it and it might just be because they don't know what to say yet. But. Well, to your point though, is there anything satisfying the whole what was his motive thing almost always turns out to be they were a crazy angry person was their motive. Um, but we still should have known all this stuff. His early online presence, when he would have been in high school, is almost exclusively pro Trump, while he also made a number of violently anti Semitic comments and racist remarks about Hispanic immigrants. I'll quote him now. I've always believed being patriotic was lining up a bunch of socialist Jews like the ones that booed Trump and blasting their useless brains out with an army. You don't think that that's something that the we should have heard about the guy if he's out there saying that in social media. A YouTube account featuring crooks, his full name posted in the comments under a clip of Trump being booed during the 2019 World Series in Washington. That's where he made that post. So he did obscure it by having his entire name on the comment on YouTube. The most used platform in the world.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? Right. Nobody came up with quite a trail too, under his real name.

[Joe Getty]

Every one of the Trump hating Democrats deserves to have their heads chopped off and put on stakes for the world to see what happens when you f with America, he said on one comment under MSNBC. Clip from July of 2019 I mean, this is a guy spewing threats and violence. Shouldn't he have been on somebody's radar? I don't, I don't know how much I'm going to. I don't know how many violent threats you can make on social media without ending up on some sort of FBI watch list or Secret Service this or that or whatever. I don't actually know.

[Jack Armstrong]

And specifically political assassination under his real name flagged by users who mentioned law enforcement in their replies.

[Joe Getty]

He also described in detail how he would use an assault rifle against a crowd of political opponents, frequently quoting the line the only true political power comes from the barrel of a gun. That's from Chairman Mao. And crooks made violent threats against Democratic members of the squad. Well, you'd think in a Democrat led White House and a squad friendly media, if somebody was out there making violent threats against the squad, it would have bubbled up somehow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I guess the Internet is just too vast. Nobody with any connections noticed.

[Joe Getty]

I guess I hope a quick and painful death to all the deplorable immigrants and anti Trump congresswomen who don't deserve anything this country has given them, he wrote in July of 2019. But in 2020, in the middle of the COVID pandemic, he appeared to make a 180 degree turn in his views on Trump. I'm pretty sure people are just racist and Trump is one of them. There does not need to be a deep state for that, he said on a YouTube comment. Okay, there wasn't any reasonable defense for Trump, he said. It's around this time that he started posting violent artworks. According to sources, one piece titled how he Lost his Eye from June of 2023 and shared on DeviantArt shows a figure clad in black executing another figure in front of a blue and pink backdrop matching the colors of the Trans Pride flag. He had his pronouns and some various things.

[Jack Armstrong]

They them.

[Joe Getty]

I'm told that doesn't really mean anything though. I know, I know plenty of people that I know for a fact aren't really down with the trans thing, but have their pronoun on headline stuff because they think, but he wouldn't be.

[Jack Armstrong]

But he wouldn't be listing his pronouns as they them. Of course, you know, again, the takeaway, because he flipped then and was just vicious to Trump supporters called him sheep and cult. And you're too brainwashed to realize how dumb you are. This is in 2020. So, you know, he's just an angry, angry, disturbed young man.

[Joe Getty]

His personal YouTube and Google searches also reveal a pattern of violence and an obsession with guns and famous assassinations, which is often common with assassins. Between 2019 and 2020, he made searches for Lee Harvey Oswald's killer, Jack Ruby, the Oklahoma bombing, the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, among other attacks. He also searched how to fire an AR15 as fast as possible, as well as how to make a fertilizer bomb and a Molotov cocktail. He repeatedly looked for information related to body armor, high velocity ammo, and riot control. He was probably thinking about doing something he wasn't, just quite sure what yet. And then I'm guessing he heard, hey, the President's coming to town. I know what I'll do, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. Yeah. So I think maybe the fundamental question here is. And I don't know the answer, but it's. Well, I'll just ask the question, how did. Why did the authorities claim that this guy was an online ghost and there's nothing knowable about him when, you know, amateur sleuths? Granted, some time has passed. I'm not sure why this is coming out now, frankly, but when there is all sorts of information about this guy, it might not lead you in a helpful direction, per se, because I don't think it does. Although he was a big fan of terrorism, sneaking bombs in and shooting people and the rest of it. Looking at another one of his quotes, how is it that that was not found fairly quickly by our authorities? That's troubling.

[Joe Getty]

I naively have this view of if somebody almost kills the former president about to be next president, there is no rock unturned. In terms of figuring this out, apparently there were lots of rocks that were unturned. We got to get to this before we run out of time. I'll tell you my favorite part about muscle mommies next. And this has got no significance other than we learn a new term.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm sorry, that sounded like you said muscle mommies.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, I will.

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[Joe Getty]

Mommy fetish and repeatedly searched for videos about female bodybuilders and muscular women. So like older women who are really big and really muscular and then in some of the art where it's not real women, they're like 10ft tall and giant towering over him, that sort of thing. This is also from the New York Post's Miranda Devine. Crooks had two possible accounts on deviant art for people who identify as anthropomorphized animal characters that be furries and or sexually attracted to them. And then he's got one post repost of a towering muscular female bodybuilder and a slight man in his underwear looking up at her. Multiple searches for muscular women and female bodybuilders, that's known as muscle mommies. And he apparently had a thing or.

[Jack Armstrong]

Obsession with that and furries and furries.

[Joe Getty]

So maybe good went back and forth between kind of tonight I'm into muscle mommies, tomorrow furry. Or maybe, maybe you'd like a muscle mommy dressed up as a grizzly bear. I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's like a two sport athlete in terms of perversion or variation.

[Joe Getty]

Have you seen the actual muscle mommy picture?

[Jack Armstrong]

I have.

[Joe Getty]

Not that they post on there. It's a very large, very large woman in a bikini. Attractive, but like the size of an NFL football player.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, he was a slightly built little fella too.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. And then this picture, she is flexing in her bikini over this slight man. That could be him, I guess. And that's. Wonder what that is. And be like lifted up and bench pressed by a hot muscular checker.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it goes beyond that, probably. And then used as her personal pleasurement device, as it were.

[Joe Getty]

And then in completely different categories, the whole furry thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

I guess. I don't know. I'm. I. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

Is there any overlap in that Venn diagram between muscle mommies and furries?

[Jack Armstrong]

Why are you asking me?

[Joe Getty]

I just assume you know these things. No.

[Jack Armstrong]

You like that, huh? Not this thing.

[Joe Getty]

I just assume you know lots of these things.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Wow. Sicko. Crazy.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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More than 30 years after the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, attorneys for O.J. simpson's estate finally agreeing to accept a nearly $58 million claim from the Goldman family. Wow. Damn. 58 million. Course, O.J. is dead. I think Goldman going after his money all those years was to make O.J. miserable because he feels like O.J. got away with murdering his daughter. But son, yeah. Or son. Sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Goldman, yeah. Although the Brown family was after him, too. Yeah, that's interesting. How much money is there in the estate? I don't know. Coming up, Jonathan Martin, the dean of political writers at Politico, says Gabby boy is the clear front runner for the presidency. Let's say it out loud. We'll share that terrifying information.

[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, good Lord. I wouldn't use it to line my parrot cake.

[Joe Getty]

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[Joe Getty]

So we were told by Hanson. You have a news headline for us. Is this true? Do you know anything about that? No. Okay. I didn't know if you were on board.

[Jack Armstrong]

Most important story of the day.

[Joe Getty]

You do?

[Jack Armstrong]

He says I do.

[Joe Getty]

What is it?

[Jack Armstrong]

Better not be idiotic because I'm not in the mood.

[Joe Getty]

Because we do not like people just messing around saying weird crap. We do not tolerate scary.

[Jack Armstrong]

Michael.

[Joe Getty]

What is our story?

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, it's 24.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. There are 26 letters in the Alphabet, but one is just not getting enough love. Linguists say the letter T is being dropped from words like kitten, mountain and interview coast to coast. And no one knows why, but they have named it. It's called T glottalization and it's a speech error that's happening mostly in the under 25 age range. That's interesting. My son does that and I have no idea. So it's.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a so annoying kitten.

[Joe Getty]

It's a. It's a. Well, you know, it's like up talk originally was highly annoying, but it's just so common now, I don't even notice it. It's like everybody does it. So. Yeah, the drop in the T thing, My son has done that since he was younger, but I didn't realize maybe he picked that up from other youth.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, it's a Southern California thing, I think originally, like so many annoying speaking trends, whether the Valley girl, the up talk in general, now this. I happen to notice it from a couple of bands out of the LA area who, like, there's a one line was wait in. And I'm like, why did you say wait in instead of waiting?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, wait. I'm waiting for you. Executive producer Mike Hanson joins us. Hanson. Yeah, this, this has been a problem in our society for quite some time and it needs to come to an end. And it's not just the 20 somethings. This has crept up into people their late 30s and early 40s. It's taking over our society. I've been bothered by it for years. It needs to come to an end immediately. My children are being affected. I don't like it. Bring back the tea. You've noticed it in your kids? I've noticed it. My kids. One of. One of our beloved colleagues is the first person that started doing it. It was such a bother and I couldn't understand why. Are you dropping your teas? Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Names off the air.

[Joe Getty]

Mitt. And that's when. That's when my son. What are you doing? What's wrong with you? We have cats. And he says, oh, it's a kitten. And what I never said anything about is so grating.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, good lord, what the hell? I Want to hit them? Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. Well, it's not just my son. I thought. I actually thought maybe he had like a speech impediment or something with his tongue or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

Kind of sounds like it, doesn't it?

[Joe Getty]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stop it. Stop it.

[Joe Getty]

But it's just picked up a social trend. I'll be darn. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. That is an important story. You were right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Gettysburg.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. To show how incredibly ignorant I am on this topic, like many. I thought cloud flare was like a sun flare. It's a company. Yeah. Oh, okay. I thought. When you said cloud flare, I thought it was like one of the. You know, there's a sun flare or something like that. So there's a company that has a whole bunch of distribution of podcast things going on around it, including us, but like Twitter and all kinds of different things. And they're having a outage today.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. Yeah. It's a web security conglomerate.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. Well, I know nothing about that, and I. It's fascinating from the whole. So many things tied together. If the Chinese ever decide to hack us, what's going to happen? Thing that we'll all get to live through someday. And won't it be exciting?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right. I think that. Well, there was one big outage. It feels like it was probably a year ago or so. That was a fairly insignificant company in the delivery chain of web services, that sort of thing, that updated its software, that you tech folks that know what I'm talking about and. Well.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's just. It's all so tied together. It's not like you can, you know, go around a leak in a water main by attaching a hose or something like that. It's. It's. It's a little more difficult to get around problems.

[Joe Getty]

Well, if you listen to the show, you know, I'm a big reader. I love reading. I love keeping track of what new books are coming out. I got a list of books, a thousand long books I want to read. This probably won't make the list, but it's coming out right after the first of the year. Gavin Newsom, young man in a Hurry, A memoir of Discovery with him on the COVID as looking very young Kennedy. Like, this is not an accident. It's a black and white picture. And it seems clear to me they're trying to give him Kennedy vibes. Yeah, black and white picture. He's in just a shirt and tie walking down a city street. Like, you know, he's probably mayor at the time. Like a guy, you know, I'm really working hard for the people of San Francisco. Young man in a Hurry, A Memoir of Discovery. That title makes me want to vomit.

[Jack Armstrong]

But probably not what they're going for.

[Joe Getty]

I was reading Mark Halpern's column over the weekend and he has gone from kind of high ish on Gavin Newsom, but not that high to full on high on Gavin Newsom thinks Gavin Newsom is a major, major force to be reckoned with in terms of running for president. So I don't know what's made people change their views on this, but that's where it is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Jonathan Martin is Politico's senior political communist columnist. Wow, that's a funny Freudian slave politics bureau chief. He's really the head writer there and his piece is, Admit it, Gavin Newsom is the 2028 front runner.

[Joe Getty]

Of course he is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Subhead. For years, Democrats and pundits have rolled their eyes at Gavin Newsom, but he's positioned better than anyone else for the future of politics. The opening sentence, which is a bit of a run on Jonathan, is an absolute statement of how big the divide is between politics and governance. Politics being in, for the purposes of this discussion, running for office, gaining votes, raising money, governance being what the hell are you going to do in office?

[Joe Getty]

And then you get the whole, then you got the whole run you, you run in poetry and govern in prose thing.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, right. Yeah. So here's your run on sentence. No Democrat has had a better two years than Gavin Newsom. And because we could start right there, that is purely about politics, not governance. Governance wise nightmare. Ask any Cal Unicornian, including Democrats, the.

[Joe Getty]

Last two years, we all fall short sometimes when all the Walgreens had to close in all the cities because there's so much crime and homeless people and, and your toothpaste is locked up and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Energy bills skyrocketing and then the horrifying.

[Joe Getty]

Fires and people can't get any help because of the red tape in California. Yeah, it's been a great two years.

[Jack Armstrong]

Test results coming out showing this kids know nothing, you've learned nothing. It's terrible. Bottomed out. Anyway, I'll read the whole sentence now. No Democrat has had a better two years than Gavin Newsom. And because of it, the California governor, a national figure since he was a 36 year old boy mayor, has claimed a new title, front runner. It's easy to find newsome naysayers. In fact, there may not be a modern political figure who was simultaneously so well positioned to be his party's nominee and so doubted by the smart set since, well, Joe Biden in 2020. Well, how'd that turn out? Yeah, he won barely. And then just, oh, became one of the worst presidents in American history. But Jonathan will let that go. But he says, let's not make the mistake of ignoring what's in plain view and give the governor's due. By the old rules of Democratic nominations, Newsom fits neatly in the tradition of Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, younger outsider candidates who could credibly run fresh campaigns against the Washington status quo while claiming enough insider credentials to reassure party mandarins who care about such things.

[Joe Getty]

As we have talked about a lot over many years, because this is applied to Arnold for whatever reason, 3,000 miles away here in California from D.C. and New York. They just have no idea what's going on out here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes. No, they invent narratives and they run with them and just everybody repeats it in the east coast media about the west coast, all, you know, the entire West Coast.

[Joe Getty]

That's why I hope that the New York Post actually ends up with a California bureau like they're talking about. Maybe it could get some reporters in California that actually know what's happening because they re. They reported stuff about Arnold all the time that just wasn't true.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we thought it was hilarious reading. You know what, Honestly, I need to reassess my, my, my discussion of the. Out of touchedness of the Eastern media. I don't think they have a single effing idea what's going on west of Ohio because I was about to include Nevada and Arizona and the west coast because, you know, I know the politics of those states fairly well and the east coast media has no idea what's going on. But then Illinois, even, they just, it's. I've never read any good analysis of Illinois politics out of the east coast media. Anyway, Newsom, this part is true and troubling. Newsom is also the best position Democrat according to the new rules of politics, namely whether you can, whether you are or can become famous by breaking through on social media? How many other potential candidates are plausible celebrities who can transcend the political pop culture divide Alo, Obama and Trump, if you believe the phone in your hand, will more than any factor determine the next Democratic nominee. It's hard not to grasp Newsom's strength. As the kids say, he gives main character energy. You laugh. I laugh.

[Joe Getty]

Main character energy. All right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Actually, the kids would say main character.

[Joe Getty]

Energy because they don't say tease anymore.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's right.

[Joe Getty]

Laziness. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Well, so my youngest last night said he's just going to live off the government when he gets older. I still about his grades and various things and I'll just what are you going to do when you're 18? And I keep giving a very, I mean it could have been straight out of a sitcom. I was given such a classic dad speech. But his answer was I'll just live off the government. Actually made me laugh.

[Jack Armstrong]

There are moral arguments about that.

[Joe Getty]

He knows how I feel about that. So he was trying to anyway.

[Jack Armstrong]

So the thing about Gavi and this is not a political liability in a, especially a pre primary period which we're talking about right now, good God, it's only 2025 and we're actually contemplating on even a little bit the 2028 race. But on which side of the party's liberal versus moderate divide will Newsom position himself? Jonathan Martin asks Neither. I want it to be the mansion to mum Donnie party. I want it to be inclusive, the government told the governor told him last week. Well, good luck with that. Mumdani Dimantion. That's, that's, that's clever because it's got two M's in it. What would that look like? Because I don't think the mansion or, or mansion adjacent Democrats of today have any patience at all with the mumdani super woke crowd anymore because they realize it's dragging them down. In fact, the Free Press had a great piece by this young woman who was a, you know, San Francisco based fundraiser and mover and shaker in the Democratic Party and left it. And, and it's an interesting essay about what happens to you personally when you do that and online. It's brutal, absolutely brutal. But Gavin is nothing, but he is nothing if not calculating. And he does not want to run off a single, you know, cohort of the Democratic vote at this point, which is probably smart.

[Joe Getty]

So.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, he's officially on the. Well, he's been on the radar screen for a long time, but he has now been christened anointed by several media heavyweights as the Democrat.

[Joe Getty]

Here we go. Right. Well, all depends on who runs against him, of course. And then events make a very big deal as John McCain was the nominee for the Republicans when we thought the main issue was going to be the war in Iraq and Barack Obama was his opponent and the main issue ended up being the financial crisis and the collapse and turning a war veteran with strong opinions on the war in Iraq. Nobody cared because it was all about the economy. You just, you never know. You never know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. You want to hear my favorite Headline of the day. Woman pleads guilty to lying about astronaut wife accessing bank account from space station. That is definitely one of those headlines. Wait, I'm sorry, I need to hear that one more time. There's a lot happening here. Woman pleads guilty to lying about astronaut wife accessing bank account from space station.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, I'd missed the first part. The woman pled guilty to lying. It never happened.

[Jack Armstrong]

Her lesbian astronaut wife draining the accounts from outer space. I guess it's. Is it near space? Where the space station.

[Joe Getty]

So does she drain the accounts herself and try to blame it on her astronauts? Not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah. In the midst of a. A divorce. Yeah. And a bitter custody battle over.

[Joe Getty]

Over kids or corgis.

[Jack Armstrong]

French.

[Joe Getty]

French bulldogs.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're referring to their son. I believe it is a human.

[Joe Getty]

Still could be a French bulldog.

[Jack Armstrong]

Conceived through IV fertilization. Carried by a surrogate.

[Joe Getty]

We saw.

[Jack Armstrong]

You got two women in this relationship. Why do you need a surrogate? You just lazy. I don't know. I'm sure we'll get angry emails for that. Maybe you weren't biologically, physically, anatomically able to carry a child.

[Joe Getty]

Were you just lazy? I.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you got two women's in this relationship. Granted, the ones in outer space I get to. So that eliminates the one boy. Anyway, I hope those two crazy kids can work out their problems with and co parent successfully.

[Joe Getty]

We're not going to get to it till our three actually came across some, I think, interesting stuff about the Epstein vote today. What's actually in that bill that I didn't know?

[Jack Armstrong]

Can you imagine going to the bank manager and saying, yeah, I think it's my wife. We're estranged. She's draining our accounts from space. Okay, I'll be right back. Says the bank manager. And he walks out of the office, not knowing where to go or who to call, but just needing a moment of time to think, walks out, gets.

[Joe Getty]

In his car and drives to the bar. That's what he does. Okay, we got more on the way. Stay here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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Tonight, new details about the list of.

[Joe Getty]

Perks that Ghislaine Maxwell is getting behind bars.

[Jack Armstrong]

The warden helps her send documents and emails.

[Joe Getty]

The warden?

[Jack Armstrong]

Hello, Warden, it's Ghislaine.

[Joe Getty]

I'm having just an awful time converting.

[Jack Armstrong]

This file to PDF.

[Joe Getty]

Would you be a dear? Yeah, I'll send the IT guy. Oh no, you will attend to this personally. I'm sorry. Yes, Miss. I'm sorry, am I still on the phone?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, Ms. Maxwell. And scene.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I've heard about that, the whole her in prison thing, what's going on there, that kind of prison. If I ever commit a crime, I gotta commit a crime that gets me sent to one of those prisons.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sounds awesome.

[Joe Getty]

I'd feel like it's more of a. Keeps people away from me then keeps me away from people. Like nobody can come bother me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, I. I'm definitely. It'd be a white collar crime guy. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I see a little chance for you.

[Jack Armstrong]

To, you know, go to the big house.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I just.

[Joe Getty]

The real guy. Yes, Michael. Yeah, Joe's more of a copyright infringement type.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's about as dangerous as Hyrule. You're so right, Michael.

[Joe Getty]

So I just saw up on Fox they're interviewing Walter Isaacson, author who's written some great, great books. Ben Franklin's book. Right. He's got a new book about the Declaration of Independence come out that sounds fantastic. There's going to be a lot of good old timey revolutionary stuff coming. Because of the 250th anniversary of our country, which is happens this next July 4th, 2000.

[Jack Armstrong]

Tim Sandifer is. Got a fabulous new book coming out.

[Joe Getty]

True. The obviously 2026 is 250 years after 1776 and so can you look this up, Katie? Did Ken Burns Revolutionary War series start already? I thought I heard a tease that it started Sunday night, but I forgot to look into it or whatever. I want to watch that with my son. I'm sure it's going to be great. I'm a big fan of Ken Burns documentaries and I love Founding Father's stuff. Absolutely love it. So that's cool. I hope, you know, I hope wherever your kids are, they can get a decent dose of Founding Father stuff that isn't all about them being slaveholders and this and that, which is highly annoying. The penny. You tweeted this out, I think, Joe. So we got rid of the penny. Made the last two pennies the other day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Compared to its value in 1966, the penny is now worth a tenth of a cent. The nickel is worth a half a cent, and the dime is the same as what a penny was in 1966.

[Jack Armstrong]

Correct.

[Joe Getty]

That's not a bad little lesson about inflation, because inflation isn't just the thing that happened during COVID after Joe Biden. Inflation is ongoing. At its best it's around 2%. But we had a period there in the late 70s, early 80s where it was horribly high. And we had a period during COVID where it's horribly high. But so a. A dime is worth what a penny was in 1966. That's a good thing to know and keep in mind.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and it points out the absurdity of having a penny. How many people between 1966 and today would have said it makes sense to have a tenth of a cent piece? Nobody?

[Joe Getty]

No. It's ridiculous. No. And I'm not sure we need the nickel that is worth a half of a cent from 1966. For what it's worth, I did all.

[Jack Armstrong]

That research on my own using an inflation calculator, and actually found and clipped an illustration of a 1966 penny for that tweet. I'm practically Ken Burns.

[Joe Getty]

You did that whole thing?

[Jack Armstrong]

That was my documentary about the value.

[Joe Getty]

Of the penny, as it were, compared to 1966. A random year you chose.

[Jack Armstrong]

Speaking of Ken Burns. No, not at all. I found the precise year that a penny was almost. Was it more or less exactly a tenth of what it's worth right now.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, okay. That's who you're shooting for. We ask Katie.

[Jack Armstrong]

The American Revolution started Sunday and it goes all week.

[Joe Getty]

Okay. So it's on now. And I'm sure you can find the older episodes somewhere. So I gotta watch that with my son. I'd love to sit down and watch that with my son. I've seen some of the previews of it. It looks absolutely fantastic. And despite what you might think, having watched the interviews with Ken Burns going around, sounds like he's gonna give a pretty good. Just general. Like it was, you know, me as a kid lesson in the Revolutionary War and its importance in the Founding Fathers, not some sort of new 1619 project, we should be ashamed of ourselves version. Exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what everybody's asking. Particularly because Ken is a man of the left.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is there going to be Howard Zinn wokeism in it? From what I've heard, no.

[Joe Getty]

Which is wild. How does he keep that out? How does he think it's important to keep that out of his documentaries, which he seems to have. Yet in his personal life, he goes around doing all these interviews, talking like a progressive.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. We'll have to see.

[Joe Getty]

I wonder what that is. I wonder why he does that. Anyway, we do a lot of hours, a lot of segments. If you miss one, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on Demand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

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