Shut Up, Pope.

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "Shut Up, Pope."
Date: April 13, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty (with Katie Grimes)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into a heated week in international politics, centering on escalating U.S.-Iran tensions, President Trump's aggressive foreign policy, and a much-discussed public spat with Pope Francis over war and peace. The hosts, true to form, blend news analysis, irreverent humor, and personal gripes—most notably about politics intruding into everything from church sermons to rock concerts. The show also touches on AI bias, cyber-scams, and the challenges of parsing news in the information age.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump vs. the Pope – Stay in Your Lane (03:30–06:10)

• Main theme: The hosts react to Pope Francis's pacifist comments regarding U.S. military policy, expressing frustration with religious leaders opining on global politics.
• Jack Armstrong (04:03):
  "The Pope should just shut up. Shut up. I don't want to hear from you priests about international politics. I want to hear everything you have to say about personal salvation and Jesus… Don’t give a freak what you have to say about international policy in politics and your moronic position on war."
• The hosts argue that peace at all costs is naive and compare the Pope’s stance to a “child’s view.”
• The 60 Minutes interview with church leaders prompts discussion about mixing politics and religion:
  "… if I have to listen to you rail against Trump and his policies, no freaking way I’m sitting there for that." (05:07)

2. Blockading Iran – Counting Down to Confrontation (06:10–13:22)

• The U.S. is set to begin a naval blockade of Iranian ports—a major escalation. The hosts discuss Trump’s logic and the expected global fallout.
• Joe Getty:
  "Fans of blockades, this is very exciting. We're counting down till the 10am eastern time blockade of all the Iranian ports." (06:24)
• Speculation abounds on whether the blockade will be effective, the possible Iranian response, and the lack of international support.
• Jack Armstrong (06:37):
  "They're making more money than they made before the war started… so yeah, how about no ships go in and out?"

3. Disillusion with Celebrity Politics (08:26–09:37)

• A segment on Springsteen concerts morphs into a wider lament about musicians and other celebrities lecturing audiences on politics.
• Armstrong:
  "About a third of the way through the concert, [Springsteen] comes out… and I think, that's my bathroom break. I am not going to sit through that." (08:26)
• The hosts suggest most fans just want the music, not the political “fireside chat.”
• Joe Getty:
  "I'd like to ask Bruce, what do you think he's accomplishing?... Do you think anybody’s mind is changed by your screed?" (09:37)

4. Echo Chambers & Selective Outrage (09:55–10:33)

• They argue that public figures often preach only to those who already agree, alienating (and dehumanizing) dissenters.
• "You just don't give a flying whatever about the many millions of people that don't agree with you…" (10:05)

5. Tensions Mount: Blockade, Nukes, and AI Bias (10:58–13:22)

• The hosts officially launch into the news day:
  • Trump’s threats—blockade and possible military escalation
  • Market response:
    "You want to see a stock market go down? Let a couple of nuclear bombs be dropped on us… But the stock market has not gone down very much at all." (11:20)
• Armstrong details his argument with ChatGPT over the Iran nuclear deal:
  "It came out with a political position about how the Obama agreement was perfect. It would have been just fine if we’d left it in place, only Trump…" (11:56)
• AI bias and news curation are discussed as a growing problem.

6. Personal Cybersecurity Fails (13:28–15:19)

• Joe Getty recounts falling for a phishing scam:
  "I had an email account hacked over the weekend. My own stupidity. I should tell that story. I thought I was immune to falling for anything like that." (13:28)
• He explains how hackers filtered all his emails to trash and how AI tools helped him recover control.

7. Rapid-Fire News Headlines (20:20–23:24)

• Katie Grimes reads and reacts to top headlines:
  • U.S. blockade of Iran Strait begins—market reacts, Iran threatens retaliation
  • Rep. Swalwell suspends his California governor campaign after sexual assault allegations:
    "What, he's gonna step down just because an entire cheerleading team of women came forward and said they raped him?" (21:29, Armstrong sarcastic)
  • Trump posts image of himself as a Jesus-like figure after criticizing the Pope (21:54)
  • NYC to open first city-owned grocery store ($30M price tag)
  • A whimsical headline: “BB the Parrot goes on underwater adventure in his custom-built submarine” (22:24)

8. Behind the Blockade: Failed Diplomacy and Realpolitik (26:35–36:21)

• Talks between the U.S. and Iran have collapsed after 21 hours in Islamabad; diplomatic efforts failed—blockade moves ahead.
• Hosts dig into the unpredictability of Iran’s motives and the absence of real international coalition support.
• "The Wall Street Journal asks… what would happen to the ships that the US military intercepts?... What, we shoot at it, board it, and then confiscate?" (30:52, Armstrong)
• Tense speculation: Could things spiral into a major historical event?
• Armstrong (36:04):
  "We might be… the big event is to come. Like, the big event starts tomorrow or something."

9. Historical Perspective: Wars Chosen & Unavoidable (38:22–39:26)

• Armstrong and Getty muse on whether this is a “war of choice,” arguing that Iran’s nuclear pursuit made conflict with the U.S. inevitable:
  "The status quo prior to the current conflict was absolutely not going to last. Iran was going to get a nuke and be a terrible, terrible threat. So couldn’t we have just kept going…?" (38:22)

10. Teddy Roosevelt’s Warning, Audience Mailbag, & The Nature of Soft Societies (43:24–44:14)

• Joe Getty shares a “Freedom Loving Quote of the Day” from Teddy Roosevelt:
  • "Materialism, luxury, safety, even sometimes an almost modern sentimentality weakened the fiber of each civilized race…"
• Audience mail: Discusses complexity of Iran negotiations, the fog of war, and (on the lighter side) how military conflicts help modernize the armed forces.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Armstrong (04:03): "The Pope should just shut up. Shut up."
• Armstrong (05:07): "If I have to listen to you rail against Trump and his policies, no freaking way I’m sitting there for that."
• Getty (06:24): "Fans of blockades, this is very exciting. We're counting down till the 10am Eastern time blockade of all the Iranian ports."
• Armstrong (08:26): "That’s my bathroom break. That’s when I go get in line to get a slice of pizza and use the restroom. I am not going to sit through that."
• Getty (09:37): "Do you think anybody’s mind is changed by your screed? Do you think anybody learns anything?"
• Armstrong (11:56): "It came out with a political position about how the Obama agreement was perfect… I actually went to Claude and Gemini for more information and kept coming back at ChatGPT until it basically agreed that I was right and it was wrong."
• Getty (13:28): "I had an email account hacked over the weekend. My own stupidity."
• Armstrong (21:29): "What, he's gonna step down just because an entire cheerleading team of women came forward and said they raped him?"
• Armstrong (36:04): "We might be in that situation now where this past month we've been getting, you know, a lot of chatter… and the big event is to come."
• Teddy Roosevelt (43:24): "Materialism, luxury, safety… weakened the fiber of each civilized race. In turn, each became, in the end, a nation of pacifists. Then each was trodden underfoot by some ruder people…"

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Key Timestamps

• 03:30: Start of main content, "Trump calls for Strike" headline, immediate lead into Trump vs. The Pope.
• 04:03: Armstrong “The Pope should just shut up” rant.
• 06:24: Countdown and analysis of U.S. blockade of Iranian ports.
• 08:26: Springsteen and celebrity politics.
• 10:58: Official launch of the news, Trump/market/AI bias.
• 13:28: Getty’s phishing scam & cybersecurity woes.
• 20:25: Katie Grimes runs the headlines.
• 21:29: Swalwell jokes & political scandal.
• 26:35: Blockade background, failed US-Iran talks.
• 36:04: The sense of being on the verge of a historic event.
• 38:22: Discussion of war, choice, and inevitability.
• 43:24: Teddy Roosevelt pacifism quote & audience mailbag.

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Tone & Style

The conversation is informal, rapid-fire, heavy on sarcasm, and peppered with pop culture references and personal anecdotes. Armstrong & Getty skirt the line between caustic criticism and existential worry about world events, often using humor to make pointed political commentary.

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For Listeners Who Haven't Tuned In

This episode of Armstrong & Getty On Demand is a whirlwind of news analysis, skepticism of institutional authority, and weary humor about a world where politics seem to permeate every aspect of life—from the pulpit to pop concerts. If you want unfiltered takes on geopolitical brinksmanship, media spin, and cultural fatigue—with a little help from Teddy Roosevelt—this is the episode for you.

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center,

Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and get.

[Joe Getty]

Live from Studio C. Si Seor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Welcome to a brand new week. Pregnant with possibilities. We're deep within the bowels of the Armstrong and Yeti communications compound. And today we're toiling under the title of the show, Trump calls for Strike on the Vatican.

[Joe Getty]

It's Trump v. The Pope. Oh, my. Or if you prefer, blockade the blockaders.

[Jack Armstrong]

Blockade the blockaders. Okay. Iran's the blockaders. We're going to blockade them.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

The Pope should just shut up. Shut up.

[Joe Getty]

Hope.

[Jack Armstrong]

I watched 60 Minutes last night. I don't want to hear from you priests about international politics. I want to hear everything you have to say about personal salvation and Jesus and all that sort of stuff. Very interested. I'd sit there and listen to you all day long. Don't give a freak what you have to say about international policy in politics and your moronic position on war. Sorry, Pope, that's a moronic position.

[Joe Getty]

It is the pacifist position that we're always talking about. It lets the grownups in the room handle the hard, dirty work of keeping a nation or a people safe.

[Jack Armstrong]

We are against. We are for peace. Always for peace. Oh, sure. What if the other guy is trying to get a nuclear weapon to kill y'?

[Joe Getty]

All?

[Jack Armstrong]

I am for peace. That doesn't make any sense. Be a grown up. I am for peace. Okay. Put on your. Your fancy shoes and go over there. Talk about Jesus or something.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I appreciate you being fired up about it. I just, I hear it. It's like, you know, a child's point of view on what she'd have for dinner. I mean, it's okay, you know, May. We'll think about that.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I'm pro pope, pro Catholic church, pro all that, Sister. I just don't. I. I they were. It was the feature story in 60 Minutes last night. And Nora Donald actually asked these bishops, what do you say to people who don't want politics in their. In their. In their sermon on a Sunday morning? And they had some gobbledygook about why it's important to blah, blah, blah. And I thought, God dang it, if I'm going on a Sunday morning and I have to listen to you rail against Trump and his policies, no freaking way I'm sitting there for that.

[Joe Getty]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. Or ice. On and on about ice, the evils of ice. Shut up. Read me a passage from the Bible and explain to me what it means. That's your job.

[Joe Getty]

It's just that old, you know, progressivism that you get to congratulate yourself for how enlightened you are and ignore the fact that your policies, if they were implemented, would be suicidal. But you do it smugly. And I don't think Trump needs to take shots online. The guy. But that's. That's a problem we've been dealing with for some time. The whole lack of a filter issue.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's baked into the cake. But, yes, exactly. He should ignore it. That'd be the smart thing to do. Just because who cares what the Pope says? But, so blockade. The blockaders. Did the blockade already. Starters to start here in a couple hours. Has already started.

[Joe Getty]

Less than an hour, actually. Fans of blockades, this is very exciting. We're counting down till the 10am eastern time blockade of all the Iranian ports,

[Jack Armstrong]

which was a suggestion brought up last week. I mentioned this think tank person that said, why aren't we making sure no Iranian ships can come in and out? They're making more money than they made before the war started. It seems like somebody heeded that advice and thought, yeah, why are we letting their ships go in and out? How about no ships go in and out?

[Joe Getty]

What they're doing is almost precisely what you described last week in the Wall Street Journal. Editorial board was talking about it as well. Yeah. All right. Ain't nobody making any money now. What are you gonna do? It's an escalation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Stick that in your turbine and smoke it.

[Joe Getty]

Call that a blockade. You like that one, Katie? Delicious alcoholic beer.

[Jack Armstrong]

I thought that was good. That was a good one.

[Katie Grimes]

That was great.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

It didn't make any sense.

[Jack Armstrong]

Taking shots at all the religions. That's not good.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. What's the matter?

[Jack Armstrong]

I know when I control. I don't know.

[Katie Grimes]

I'm into it. I'm into it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like it. I got some interesting information later on how many there are of whoever and ever whatever religion that I just dug up last night after I was listening to some of this stuff. If I think you'll find fascinating, we'll get to that later.

[Joe Getty]

I'm dressed whoever. Whatever. That's a little vague. Like pool cues and motor cars or what.

[Jack Armstrong]

On the topic of religions.

[Joe Getty]

Well, like how many people are in. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see.

[Jack Armstrong]

I am dressed for the Springsteen concert. I dressed the way he's been dressing in the concerts. Black dress shirt, black jeans, red Doc Martens. That's what he's been dressing for. So I'm dressed like Bruce Springsteen to go to the concert tonight.

[Joe Getty]

Why have you decided to do that?

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm old, but not near as old as him. I don't know, I just. I've always done that. I dress like David Lee Roth if I'm going to Van Halen, just whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Seriously.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I just. I saw him. I saw a video of him at. In LA and I thought, I have that same outfit. I'll just wear the same thing.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Private meeting. Katie seems a little fanboyish to me. A little weird.

[Katie Grimes]

A little bit.

[Joe Getty]

Man.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll tell you what, I've been watching some of the. When he. About a third of the way through the concert, he comes out and he sits down on the end of the stage and he says, we're living through some hard times. Then he starts in on what's wrong with Trump and everything. And I think, that's my bathroom break. That's. That's when I go get in line to get a slice of pizza and use the restroom. I am not going to sit through that.

[Joe Getty]

Play Fireside Chat. Fireside Chat on politics with Bruce.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, Lord, I don't want him or the rock stars and popes. Just shut up about the politics.

[Katie Grimes]

Do you think he'll do that before the lead into his Minneapolis song?

[Jack Armstrong]

I think that's where he puts it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. Oh, that's a rough 10 minute period there. The other three hours of. I'll be. I'll be okay with the music, but that part will be a little rough. My kids are gonna be scrolling their phones. Everybody's gonna be the other. The part will be bar. Is everybody around me in San Francisco will be cheering like crazy.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Stick at your drum.

[Jack Armstrong]

I guess. I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

It's just all so tiring.

[Jack Armstrong]

It is, it is. Whether you're watching a baseball game or going to church or a rock concert, you have to hear about Politics. That's just the world we live in. We're scrolling through really anything.

[Joe Getty]

I'd like to ask Bruce, what do you think he's accomplishing? Because I have a feeling I've heard the answer many times from, like, your Hollywood stars and they say something to the effect of, well, I have this platform and I just feel like I have to use it. And I'd say, well, okay, that's your end of it. Do you think anybody's mind is changed by your screed?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good way to put it that.

[Joe Getty]

Do you think anybody learns anything?

[Jack Armstrong]

I understand your end of it.

[Joe Getty]

Or is it just an opportunity for you to connect with people who agree

[Jack Armstrong]

with you essentially, and you just don't give a flying whatever about the many millions of people that don't agree with you. You just think you don't need their customers. Or I would guess that most people like him. They just can't even imagine there's more than like three people in any arena that wouldn't agree with what he's thinking.

[Joe Getty]

And there are angry, stupid bigots. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, Exactly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I bet you're right.

[Joe Getty]

No communicating with them. They're the trolls.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hardly anybody. And they're bad people anyway, so.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. Bingo.

[Jack Armstrong]

Awesome. That's fantastic. Well, can we start the show officially? We should probably do that, man. There's lots of news of the day and who knows how this blockade is going to go. England's against it, China's against it. Lots of people are against our blockade that we're starting today. I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe Getty on this. It is Monday, April 13th, the year 2026. We're Armstrong and Getty, and we approve of this year program.

[Joe Getty]

Let's leap into action then, officially, according to FCC rules and regulations. Here we go at mark. You want to see a stock market go down? Let a couple of nuclear bombs be dropped on us or frankly, anyplace else. And you'll. Then you'll see a stock market that goes down. So the stock market has not gone down very much at all. Got down a little bit. Much less than I thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the.

[Joe Getty]

Frankly, the gas hasn't gone up as much as I thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

This ongoing conversation about whether or not they were trying to get a nuke or how close they were to a nuke is driving me nuts. And I got into an argument with Chat GPT yesterday afternoon over the jcpoa. That was the agreement the Obama administration put in place with the Iranians. I got into an argument with Chat GPT because I thought it was wrong. And so I actually went to Claude and and Gemini for more information and kept coming back at Chat GPT until it basically agreed that I was right and it was wrong.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

But it came out with a political position about how the Obama agreement was perfect. It would have been just fine if we'd left it in place, only Trump completely wrong. They were going to talk about this later because everybody should remember they were cheating on this agreement. They were working to get a nuclear weapon. They were never going to stop until they got one.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, the AI systems large language model learning model thingies. Garbage in, garbage out. It's a perfect example of it. They mind the mainstream media so they get mainstream opinions, which are inaccurate in this case. You know what you got to do? You got to, like, gossip about Chat GPT with Claude.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a good Gemini. That's a good idea.

[Joe Getty]

And I tell you who's not smart. No intelligence, artificial or otherwise. That idiot chatgpt. Huh.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, could you give me this information about how they were trying to get around the inspections? Because over Chat GPT you won't believe this is actually telling me. And then get him into a battle. Yes, like. Like Trump and the Pope. Just get them harp, you know, sniping at each other. That'd be fantastic. We got some interesting stuff, actually, AI wise, about how Joe brought this up some last week. There's more over the weekend about how some of these AIs are going to go out into all our computers to harness our process processing power and memory storage because they don't have enough secretly without us knowing it. So they can build their, I don't know, their netherworld.

[Joe Getty]

Right, yeah. Yeah. Exploit us while we sleep, bastards.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or turn us into zombies. Or I don't know what they're gonna do.

[Joe Getty]

I had an email address, email account hacked over the weekend. My own stupidity. I should tell that story. I thought I was immune to falling for anything like that.

[Jack Armstrong]

What'd you fall for? Oh, it was Nigerian Prince. I figured you were above that.

[Joe Getty]

Well, no lottery. I won the lottery, as it turns out. I just had to pay the taxes in advance. No, it was a phishing scam. A party invitation from a guy who I'm going to be very near when I visit an old place I used to live. And I thought, oh, yeah, okay. He knows I'm going to be in town because a lot of people do and wanted to invite me to a party. And so I had to sign in via. You could sign in Via. It was like a two step authentication thing, which in retrospect, I was half asleep when I did this. It was first thing in the morning. In retrospect. No, you never. You don't need to actually sign into your account to like register through an account. But I did and I used my password and then it did the thing. And so the interesting part of this is. And I got it all fixed.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then when you came home from the store, you couldn't get in your house and your car's gone and your wife's with a different guy.

[Joe Getty]

No, no. That's why I don't believe in smart anything. Please dumb. I want a dumb thermostat, a dumb doorbell, whatever, Anyway. But the most interesting part of it was that when they hack your account, they automatically, you know, they have software that does this, put filters on your account so that all of your incoming email goes to trash or spam so that you won't see any of your friends asking, hey Joe, is this legit? Because it harnessed my email address to send out a bunch more spam and so it all went straight to trash. The filters were any email that contained the letter A or any email that contained the letter C. But thanks to an AI system, I was able to figure out what to do and how to do it and got my address back and got rid of all those filters and stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

That sucks.

[Joe Getty]

It was a stressful, wasteful hour and a quarter. Hour and a half fixing it. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

You spent an hour and a half on it?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, and I had like good assistance and I'm reasonably competent technically. So yeah, I was actually as I was stressed and pissed off and pissed off at myself. I was Picturing some poor 80 year old who's not particularly computer centric.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wouldn't even notice it happen.

[Joe Getty]

You just have to close the account, I guess.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. Get your organs harvested is probably what would happen. So we've got Katie's headlines on the way. We got more news of the day the while we're on the air today, the American Israel. Is Israel helping us on this blockade of the Strait of Hormuz will begin. We'll see how the world reacts to that. Lots of stuff. Stay here.

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I was making coffee in the Keurig machine and there's somebody slipped flavored coffee in there and I made some sort of. Oh, flavored coffee is disgusting. What is wrong with you people?

[Joe Getty]

Hazelnut, strawberry, vanilla. Coffee is the greatest flavor ever. Coffee flavored coffee.

[Jack Armstrong]

Pour it out next break and get real coffee.

[Katie Grimes]

I had a guest this weekend stay at my house and they were asking, do you have any, any creamers by chance?

[Jack Armstrong]

I do put cream in my coffee.

[Katie Grimes]

Well, I had like regular half and half, but that was from baking something. I was like, that's it. She's like, oh, I really like French vanilla. Sorry.

[Joe Getty]

Bring it with you. All right, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Katie Green. Katie?

[Katie Grimes]

All right, starting with the Alphabet Network. ABC US blockade of Iran Strait of Hormuz ports to begin today. NBC Oil prices surge after Trump says United States will blockade the Strait of Hormu. And cnn, Trump says Iran will give us, quote, everything we want.

[Jack Armstrong]

So the Iranians are vowing all kinds of retaliation. As soon as the blockade begins today, no port in the region will be safe, according to a statement from the Revolutionary Guards. So we'll see what happens.

[Joe Getty]

They have shown a willingness to escalate at every single step of this.

[Jack Armstrong]

And willingness and ability.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, true. Yeah. Asymmetrical warfare. It's interesting to watch how it ends. I have no idea.

[Katie Grimes]

This one from Katie Grimes at the Cale. Representative Swalwell suspends campaign for California governor following sexual assault allegations.

[Jack Armstrong]

I like the New York Post's headlines. Swallows well, that ends well. I don't know if that means anything,

[Joe Getty]

but, oh, that's trying hard.

[Jack Armstrong]

What, he's gonna step down just because an entire cheerleading team of women came forward and said they raped him. What's clear is that Democrats all over California and Washington D.C. knew he was this kind of guy forever.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Katie Grimes]

From the New York Times, after criticizing the Pope, Trump posts an image of himself as a Jesus like figure.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, a friend just sent that to me. It's a bit much.

[Katie Grimes]

This one from the New York Post.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a heck of a move, really was.

[Katie Grimes]

From the New York Post. Mamdani's first city owned grocery store that cost taxpayers $30 million is set to open.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm glad they're doing the experiment, I guess again.

[Joe Getty]

But again, it's going to be a

[Jack Armstrong]

miserable failure like it always is.

[Katie Grimes]

Again, this one made me smile. From the Washington Post. BB the parrot goes on underwater adventure in his custom built submarine.

[Joe Getty]

Again. There's a lot there.

[Katie Grimes]

They shoved a parrot basically into a plastic tube and had him go on a submarine trip and then said that he liked it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Katie Grimes]

Study finds a male birth control pill that works, quote and wears off moves closer to reality.

[Jack Armstrong]

Huh. Well, that'd be something.

[Katie Grimes]

And finally from the Babylon Bee, Kamala Harris, quote, thinking about losing again in 2028.

[Jack Armstrong]

So she, she says she's considering running for president.

[Joe Getty]

Seriously considering it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, she's trying to get more people to show up to her book signings or she's serious.

[Joe Getty]

Just it would be so wonderful, so incredibly wonderful. What a blessing that would be.

[Jack Armstrong]

We need to check in on some of the news of the day, some of the threats coming out of Iran and they might mean it. So stick around.

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Talks between the US and Iran collapse after 21 hours of high stakes negotiations. Where does the conflict go from here?

[Joe Getty]

Okay, let's start and why so many violins?

[Jack Armstrong]

Let's start there, which is news that is now several days old. And then we'll get to news that is like as current as current can be as we record this. So they sent JD Vance to Islamabad, Pakistan, along with Jared and Woodkopf to meet with some Iranian leaders. First face to face meetings between the US And Iran since the whole taking our hostages thing back in 79. Pretty big deal. And they met for whatever you heard there, 24 hours. J.D. vance walks up and says they didn't agree to anything, not a thing. Didn't budge a bit, so we're going home. And they actually all got on the plane and left while. While the negotiators or the mediators there in Pakistan were claiming for a while that they're ongoing and there'll be another round of talks on Sunday and blah, blah. No, everybody got on the plane and left immediately sending the signal that, okay, you're not even serious about this, we're going home. I feel like maybe that was Trump taking the last ditch. Maybe so he'd feel good about himself, effort to negotiate before he unleashes the holy hell that he has promised. I don't know. But then you move toward today and you've got the blockade of the strait that the United States is going to attempt to pull off so that Iran can't let some ships go through that. Some, some ships have been paying the tolls. Plus there you got the. The stuff that benefits Iran going through that they've been letting in and out,

[Joe Getty]

of course, which seems ridiculous.

[Jack Armstrong]

They've been making. They. Iran has made more money since the war started off the straight of Hormuz than they did prior to the war starting, which is a stunning stat.

[Joe Getty]

So getting back to the negotiation, just briefly, it strikes me that sending Jared and Witkoff and JD all of whom are pretty smart guys and pretty good negotiators, I'll bet they came away with the sense that the nuclear program, Iran's nuclear program, which it quote unquote, refuses to give up, is that something it actually just won't give up under any circumstances. In which case we're through here. Or is it. They won't give it up without getting a hell of a lot in return. Which means maybe we can talk. And I think it was the former. They decided, no, they're gonna. They're gonna work toward a bomb come hell or high water.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I don't wanna get sidetracked by this conversation because we got the current stuff to get to. That's pretty.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my. But

[Jack Armstrong]

nobody quite Understands why Iran doesn't just do what they've always done. Pretend to give up their nuclear program and delay and continue working on it best you can behind the scenes until Trump's out of office.

[Joe Getty]

I wonder if whoever's in charge and still has their head and limbs is just saying, trump's not gonna fall for this one. They're studying him. They. They have an idea of he's no Obama. I was desperate to be the great diplomat and announce a deal. No matter. Tellingly, I think it was the Journal. Somebody pointed out this morning that when the JCPOA was falling apart and the Iranian negotiator got up and left the room, John Kerry ran after him. How do you like that for symbolism?

[Jack Armstrong]

Physically ran after.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. Chased after him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wait, wait, that's a good feeling when the car. The car guy is chasing you. No, there's more.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, exactly. And Trump is not going to pull a John Kerry.

[Jack Armstrong]

So then we decide we're going to do a blockade of the Strait, and nobody's exactly sure how that will work. For instance, the president claims it's a coalition, although there's no indication that there's anybody in this coalition but US And President Keir Starmer or Prime Minister Ker Starmer of Britain said specifically they will not be part of. Of a US Blockade of Iranian ports. The same has come out of France. So I don't know who this coalition is that the president claims. I think he's just saying that.

[Joe Getty]

So there's Denmark, maybe. No, we pissed them off.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's no coalition of any point. And the Wall Street Journal asks one of the most important questions about this. It remains unclear what would happen to the ships that the US Military intercepts. So if a ship does come through the Strait and we got all our battleships there, and whatever you have in a blockade, we, what, shoot at it, board it, and then take it confiscated? What, What. What is happening there?

[Joe Getty]

Well, somebody thinks we'll board it, because I was reading about who and how, and you know, what's going to happen with that and how dangerous it might be. But maybe they were just guessing.

[Jack Armstrong]

I bet that was your typical cable news sort of hypothetical. What would happen if. Then they explained for 15 minutes, because according to all the officials, there's been no. Well, there's been no announcement yet of what they're going to do if a ship actually comes through. Yeah, Nobody knows how China is going to react to this. They've kept their mouth closed. And there's been some serious back and forth between Trump and China over the weekend, US accusing China of helping out the. The Iranians. And, and China saying they're willing to continue helping the Iranians. And they also get 80% of their energy from abroad and a lot of it comes through that strait. They've got a pretty good reason to want the strait to be open.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Indeed. Indeed. Yeah. Just as usual with this, just so many question marks. Here's another question mark for you. What in the world would make the Wall Street Journal online think I want ads for clothes for sexy young women and bras? It's like all I'm seeing right now. It's distracting.

[Jack Armstrong]

We all have our crosses to bear.

[Joe Getty]

Well, no, seriously, with computer science the way it is these days, why are they not hitting me up for like golf clubs and cars and, you know, I don't know, booze? Anyway?

[Katie Grimes]

No, you just, you had to have said something or clicked on something.

[Jack Armstrong]

Joe, I've got a bit of a Christy Gnomes husband thing going, a little bit of bimboism going on.

[Joe Getty]

You found me out.

[Jack Armstrong]

You got a little bimboism happening. Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Just on the weekends. It's my business. More on that to come as well. But back to the Persian Gulf.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. So the Iranian parliament speaker, he was one of the main negotiators there, who went to Islamabad, did not budge on anything, left the talks and said, if you fight, we will fight. And then Iran's Revolutionary Guard said the strait remained under Iran's full control and was open. Military vessels will get a forceful response, said the Revolutionary Guard, and they are going to fire on all ports in the area if we attempt to do this, starting in like an hour.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. So the. Cause as much pain to as many as you can strategy continues from the irgc.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm, I'm. Well, I don't know if that's the best strategy if I'm Iran. I don't know. I think maybe just wait because that's going to put a lot of pressure on China and Europe if there are no boats at all going through. I think that, I think he got some leverage there, but you just have to wait it out.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. And in what direction does China throw its weight? It could well be to tell their loyal yet pesky and more trouble than there were ally Iran to cut it out. You know, they'll pressure the US obviously publicly, but they might tell the irgc, look, no, now you're causing us pain. That's not the way this relationship works.

[Jack Armstrong]

Don't be surprised if you see a headline today or in the near future where Trump has slapped a 50% tariff on everything coming on a China because he threatened that over the weekend if China helps Iran in any way. Maria Bartiromo, interviewing the President over the weekend said, I've heard reports claiming that China was giving shoulder fired anti aircraft missiles to the Iranians. Trump said, I doubt they would do that. Maybe they did that a little bit at the beginning, but if we catch any country including China providing military equipment to Iran at this point, they will face a 50% tariff. Mmm, maybe they did that a little bit at the beginning. China was giving the Iranians shoulder fired anti aircraft missiles to shoot down our planes. Holy crap.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Wow, wow, wow. And what does he actually know? Maybe a little bit at the beat. Can you ask somebody, does the CIA know?

[Jack Armstrong]

I know what I was thinking of this morning is just how. Because I am really into reading a lot of history of a lot of different kinds of things. A lot of the big events in world history, there's a, a prelim to that event that gets lost to history. Days, weeks, months, sometimes years of things that happened before the big event happened. And we might be in that situation now where this past month we've been getting, you know, a lot, a lot of chatter around everything, Iran this and that and blah blah, blah. And the big event is to come like the big event starts tomorrow or something.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

And all that pre stuff from the past month will be forgotten by history when the real essence of the fan China deciding to send a ship to force the straight over. Who knows what's going to happen. But there, there is a, there are a lot of possibilities of things that could happen this week.

[Joe Getty]

It's a great point history or at least the way we take it in tends to yada yada yada. All the circumstances that led up to the big event, I mean like the Pearl harbor was the result of many, many, many months arising tensions between the western world and Japan. And I won't go into it, but. Yeah, yeah, absolutely true. That's. I wish you hadn't said that though. I was in a pretty good mood now I'm worried something truly history changing is about to occur.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was just, I was just in the Midwest where they're unhappy with their gas prices but they're like 350 a gallon where I was in Kansas, you know and if that, if you're used to. Before the war started they were getting my, my dad said the gas was 198. Californians, they're paying 198 for gas wow, wow, wow.

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[Jack Armstrong]

remember

[Joe Getty]

is that the status quo prior to the current conflict was absolutely not going to last. Iran was going to get a nuke and be a terrible, terrible threat. So couldn't we have just kept going

[Jack Armstrong]

like we were doing?

[Joe Getty]

Really wasn't a choice.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what I think. So the whole it's a war of choice, you're really getting into slicing it thin semantics game to me.

[Joe Getty]

If you need to make a good strong case for why you say that, why it's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because technically if my neighbor isn't attacking me, I get to. It's a choice when I attack him. But he's been vowing to kill me and my family and he keeps getting more and more guns. And I see him getting prepared to do it, putting out his tactical gear. Yeah, I want to hear. This is from Martha Raddatz on ABC this week.

[Joe Getty]

President Trump announcing that the US Will now blockade any and all ships crossing the Strait of Hormuz and posting a warning to Iran. Any Iranian who fires at us or at peaceful vessels will be blown to hell.

[Jack Armstrong]

So it seems, according to Trump, that the whole just hit him like we've hardly ever hit any country in our nation's history is still on the table.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah, they're weighing a limited set of strikes in addition to the blockade right now. Just amp up the pressure a little bit.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah boy. So it's, you know, if for some reason your feeling was, well, it's been going on for a month, they had some talks, blah blah, blah, it's settled down, cease fire, blah. I this, this could be a hot, hot week. Like a really big deal.

[Joe Getty]

I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, me too. We got more on that later. We've got Mailbag next day here.

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Excellent point on the text line about a missing piece of the Trump versus The Pope battle. We'll get into that now or two Excellent.

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Right now it's your freedom Loving Quote of the Day this one from Teddy Roosevelt, sent along by honorary producer Jeff Heck, we could spend all of our time on this if we wanted. Here's the quote from Teddy but the curse of every ancient civilization was that its men in the end became unable to fight. Materialism, luxury, safety, even sometimes an almost modern sentimentality weakened the fiber of each civilized race. In turn, each became, in the end, a nation of pacifists. Then each was trodden underfoot by some ruder people that had kept that virile fighting power, the lack of which makes all other virtues useless and sometimes even harmful. Talking about how you just get like we always talking about softer and more self indulgent, less fighting spirit, and then somebody who's tough and mean comes along and just bulldozes you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Fantastic. Who said that?

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well done. That's pretty good. You laugh, I laugh.

[Joe Getty]

Nice note here from Randy.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't live listen to the news,

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but I spent the day off yesterday going from one news source to another and realized you two deserve a medal. I did it for one day and got hives. The flu, probably an std, lost my hair and two teeth. And you two do it every day, bringing us selflessly all the headlines with your special flare so we don't have to suffer through torture. And the media's truly heroic. And I for one am unendingly grateful. All right, that's a bit much, but you're welcome.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's getting harder to do. It's a lot harder than it used to be to do. To get follow the news, you have to put a lot of effort into trying to weed through tons of crap and dare I use the word misinformation to try to figure out what the hell's going on.

[Joe Getty]

Agreed. Then he comes to his main point. My description of the whole around thing is being a hall of mirrors shrouded in fog, he says. But as you say, no one knows what's going on. There are many who do. Teams of CIA spooks, intelligence officers, political operatives, defense personnel from the US talking with Israel, Saudi Arabia cut our brain. And the other world powers have a say in diplomacy. If you don't think China and Russia haven't chimed in with what they'd like to see, you're not paying attention. There's not one person making a deal with another. This is an incredibly complex deal making between many participants. You can't see it and we'll never hear about it, but it's happening.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's the whole point, right? Spheres of influence thing that might be going on.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. And it's also the super heavyweights trying to reach a deal and saying to like Iran, we'll get back to you. All right. You're not entirely making this decision. The twist being Iran is a religious fanatical dead end cult and nobody's quite sure how to deal with that. Speaking of the war, Kevin says want to point out that this brief conflict, whatever the actual end may be, is likely highly beneficial to our military. We've gotten real world modern experience in the type of drone warfare that will shape future conflicts. We've identified logistical shortcomings and have gotten invaluable experience on ballistic missile defense in theater. Whatever else anyone can say about the war, it never hurts to clean out the cobwebs. Another excellent point. How much time do we have, Michael you know, that's true.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's very true. I mean, there is the. You'd still rather not have to ever actually fight. I mean, I. My fighting skills would get better if I got in a fight today, but still much rather not.

[Joe Getty]

All right. No, I'm not calling for attacking Denmark or anything. Kevin's just pointing out that there are advantages to, you know, getting in the ring and actually going a few rounds. Alvin is talking about mnemonic devices. He is making fun of the insane Canadian MBLGBTQIAQR thing we were talking about. And he said it reminds him of mnemonic devices. Like, for instance, I learned the guitar strings every. Or eating apples daily gives big years. Okay, the. The number, the names of the strings. Well, he says the mnemonic that electrical engineers use for the power of 10 on resistors. Those are for the colored markers on resistors. What color, what order they're in. It's B, B R, O Y, G W, V, G W. This is a little rough. Bad boys rape our young girls while Violet gives willingly. He says there are other, nicer versions.

[Jack Armstrong]

What? That's not a good mnemonic. There's got to be a better way. I'm sure I could come up with a better one. The Eric Swalwell used to work in electricity.

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