Smell The Guano

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "Smell The Guano"

Release Date: December 5, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, Michael, Katie Green
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this episode of "Armstrong & Getty On Demand," the hosts tackle the chaos of the holiday season, reflect humorously on their personal preparations (or lack thereof), and dig into one of the week's hottest issues: the controversial U.S. military strike on Venezuelan drug boats and the dramatically polarized reactions in Congress and the media. Other key topics include the state of education in the smartphone era, news headlines from around the world, and how shifting cultural memory impacts society.

The tone is as irreverent as ever, veering from playful self-mockery to sharp, critical analysis of media narratives and American policy.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Holiday Season Antics and Personal Stories (03:11–07:16)

• Jack bemoans not having a Christmas tree up yet, joking about being a "bad parent" and riffing on what he would have brought to the manger: "No frankincense, no gold... Nomura gift card. I’d have showed up with a gift card for the baby Jesus." (03:53 – Jack Armstrong)
• The hosts swap tales of holiday concerts and fundraising; Jack bought a 10-lb box of homemade toffee at a school band auction and hilariously details his struggle not to eat it all himself.
  • Notable Quote: “Drive bites. That's a good. You should get that patented. That is a good T-shirt.” (05:30 – Jack Armstrong, coining a new term for stealth snacking)
• Katie Green observes: "There is when food gets to a certain size... mentally you think it doesn't really even count at this size." (05:39 – Katie Green)

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2. The "Double Tap" Venezuelan Drug Boat Controversy (07:04–14:26)

Background: Congressional committee members viewed classified video of the U.S. military strike against Venezuelan drug cartel boats. The incident sparked outrage from some (claiming a war crime was committed by killing survivors) while others insisted it was a justified act of war against narco-terrorists.

• Partisan Divide: Two committee members emerged with fundamentally opposed interpretations:

  • “What I saw in that room was one of the most troubling things I’ve seen in my time in public.” (07:37 – Jack Armstrong paraphrasing the Democratic committee chair)
  • “No, I didn’t see anything disturbing about it.” (07:40 – Michael, paraphrasing Republican Rep. Tom Cotton)

• Discussion of media portrayal:

  • NYT not taking a sensationalist angle; instead, focusing on legal implications and how focus on this strike implicitly accepts broader military action against cartels.
    • “The focus on the second strike... could end up being a favor to the Trump administration.” (10:26 – Jack Armstrong, citing NYT)
  • Hosts criticize outlets (like MSNBC) for one-sided reporting, and general trend of using selectively-edited clips to drive political narratives.

• Broader Questions Raised:

  • Is the U.S. really “at war” with Venezuelan cartels, and if so, what precedent does that set?
  • Michael muses: “Are we all comfortable with the idea that, okay, we’re going to take out these drug boats, because that’s how they finance their nefarious operations... is that all appropriate for the military?” (12:25 – Michael)
  • Jack jokes: "If this is how the war on drugs has morphed, bad news if you’re on the wrong end of the war on poverty." (12:49 – Jack Armstrong)

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3. News Headlines & Rapid Reactions With Katie Green (18:31–22:30)

Highlights:

• Conflicting accounts about the Venezuelan boat strike:

  • CNN: “Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn’t radio for backup.”
  • CBS: “Survivors say admiral testified that there was no kill order.”
  • Guardian: “Survivors clung to boat wreckage for an hour before second deadly attack.”
  • Discussion ensues about reliability of testimony, gaps in official timelines, and why the government won't just release the video footage.

• Other Headlines:

  • Jan 6 Pipe Bomber: Evidence allegedly ignored for years by FBI (Breitbart). Jack wonders if AI could have expedited the investigation.
  • Supreme Court: Decision favoring Trump on Texas congressional map (Washington Post).
  • Global Affairs: Putin receives praise from Modi during India visit, signaling Russia is not isolated as hoped.
  • Education: Parents report school-issued iPads causing chaos.
  • Tech and Behavior: Social media detox leads to even greater phone use among young adults.

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4. The Transformation of Education and Literacy (30:13–35:42)

• The hosts take a more philosophical turn, lamenting how technology, especially smartphones, has rewired attention spans:
  • “That should get more discussion. Not only is our curriculum a mess at schools, but... how is any teacher going to hold a kid’s attention?” (31:21 – Jack Armstrong)
  • Michael: "I would far rather have my kid smoke a little pot, have sex, and not be addicted to the endorphin thing with a smartphone. I think it’s far more damaging." (31:44 – Michael)
  • Jack: “Book sales, long form reading is down so much that it’s over. It was about 300 years of people reading and it’s just over.” (33:25 – Jack Armstrong)
• The hosts speculate that education may need to be reformatted into TikTok-style short videos: "That may be the only choice.” (33:38 – Michael)

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5. Societal Amnesia and the Erosion of Tradition (40:47–41:45)

• Michael shares a poignant quote:
  • "A people that has forgotten its traditions... is a people already conquered. For the man without memory is easily ruled..." (40:58 – Michael, quoting Hilaire Belloc/Orwell)
• The decline of traditional education, literacy, and collective memory is seen as an existential crisis.

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6. Mailbag & Listener Feedback (41:45–46:58)

• Fun fact about President James Garfield: “Garfield was ambidextrous... would often write in Latin with one hand and Greek with the other, all while holding a casual conversation.” (42:14 – Michael)
• Listener’s son dubs the hosts “professional complainers.” (43:01 – Michael, reading listener email)
• Sarcastic listener suggests the President ask Congress for an “authorization for use of military force” (AUMF), poking fun at how infrequently such constitutional steps happen now.
• Driving pet peeves; suggestion that habitual phone-users should only be allowed in self-driving cars.

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7. Ending Notes and Teasers (47:00–47:12)

• The hosts (half-jokingly) declare the Venezuela boat strike controversy over and tease further discussion about the Jan 6 pipe bomber in the next hour.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Christmas procrastination:
  "It’s the 5th of December and we don’t have our tree up yet. That makes me a bad parent." (03:43 – Jack Armstrong)

• On school fundraising:
  "So I paid 100 bucks for this toffee... What am I going to do with 10 pounds of the best candy I’ve ever had in my life?" (04:50 – Jack Armstrong)

• On the drug boat strike:
  "How do you possibly have two people see the same video and come away with such different views?" (08:19 – Jack Armstrong)

• On smartphone addiction:
  "I remember... our parents were worried about us, you know, smoking pot and having sex or whatever. I would far rather have my kid smoke a little pot, have sex, and not be addicted to the endorphin thing with a smartphone." (31:44 – Michael)

• On cultural memory:
  “A people that has forgotten its traditions… is a people already conquered. For the man without memory is easily ruled…” (40:58 – Michael quoting Belloc/Orwell)

• On education in the TikTok era:
  “We’re going to have to restructure all teaching in like, video form and little snippets... That’s your only hope.” (32:47 – Jack Armstrong)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Holiday Stories & School Fundraising: 03:11–07:16
• Venezuela Drug Boat Controversy: 07:04–14:26
• Rapid Headlines Roundup (Katie Green): 18:31–22:30
• Education, Literacy & the Smartphone Era: 30:13–35:42
• Cultural Memory Discussion: 40:47–41:45
• Listener Mailbag: 41:45–46:58

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Conclusion

This episode skillfully blends the hosts' signature humor with sharp, informed commentary on current events, from the absurdity of holiday gift-giving to the serious implications of how Americans are informed (or misinformed) about military actions and global politics. The recurring themes—decline of traditional education, the dangers of media echo chambers, and the loss of cultural memory—give the episode more heft than a typical Friday edition. Whether you’re interested in news analysis or just need a laugh over Christmas procrastination, this installment delivers both candor and wit in spades.

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Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the Geor Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Michael]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here.

Armstrong get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Live from Studio C. See, Senior, it's Friday. We only got, what, two Fridays left before Christmas, as today is the 5th. Welcome to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Deep within the bowels, et cetera, et cetera. And today we're under the tutelage of our general manager.

[Michael]

Oh, boy.

I don't know. You got a nominee?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I gotta get a tree. That's my general manager. I don't have a tree up yet. We don't have a tree up yet. How awesome is that?

[Michael]

That's terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's the 5th of December and we don't have our tree up yet. That makes me a bad parent.

[Michael]

You just showed up at the manger and spit on the baby Jesus.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know what I'd have had? No frankincense, no gold Nomura gift card. I'd have showed up with a gift card for the baby Jes.

[Michael]

Starbucks gift card.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Here you go. Pick this up.

[Michael]

An infant can't go to Starbucks.

[Jack Armstrong]

They had that at the convenience store. I got this gift card for you.

[Michael]

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Three wise men would have whooped up on you.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I didn't plan ahead. Gotta get a tree this weekend. Advocation been sick, my son's been sick. So yeah, we gotta get a tree this weekend, get decorated. Here's my big mistake. Well, it's not a mistake. I was donating to the high school band. But my son's band had their big Christmas winter concert last night.

[Michael]

Lovely.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know you've attended many of those. Oh, and everybody's all dressed up, everything like that and playing their music, and it was very, very nice. But they also do a bake sale where they raise money for the band and parents bake stuff and then people win.

[Michael]

Win.

[Jack Armstrong]

People bid ridiculous amounts of money. Because it's not about the baked good, it's about donating to the band. Right?

[Michael]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I paid 100 bucks for this toffee. Homemade toffee. It's like a 10 pound box of toffee. Oh, and I thought, I'll bet this is gonna be pretty good. I had a piece on the way home. It's like, this is the best thing I've ever had in my life. What am I gonna do with 10 pounds of the best candy I've ever had in my life?

[Michael]

So delicious.

[Jack Armstrong]

And as you're eating for two, Katie, you can probably. I'M I'm pretending I'm eating for. They're really good job of putting in them in small enough pieces that you can think, wow, one. One little piece.

[Michael]

One morsel more.

[Jack Armstrong]

One little more. You're back in the kitchen because you forgot something. I want one more little piece before I go to bed.

[Katie Green]

I call those drive bites.

[Jack Armstrong]

Drive Bites. That's a good. You got to get that patented. You should get that patented. That is a good T shirt.

[Michael]

There is.

[Jack Armstrong]

There is when food gets to a certain size, because some sizes are too big. You're not going to grab one of those. Yeah. Just on a whim at that size. But there's some size that mentally you think it doesn't really even count at this size.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Katie Green]

It's not hurting anything.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then you take in five of them, which of course, if you understand the community properties of something or other, they added up to a bigger size.

[Michael]

There is some sort of principle here, an important one. Incrementalist something or other. I don't know. The insignificant incrementalist principle.

[Jack Armstrong]

Drive bites. Yeah. So I meant to bring it into work and I thought I'll bring it into work and people will eat it really fast. And then this morning when I was looking at it, I thought, this is too good to take to work, people.

[Michael]

Oh, no. Thanks a lot, Jack.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good stuff, Jack.

[Michael]

Wow. Mine, mine.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm. I'm exactly. I'm Daffy Duck. Mine, mine, mine. Standing on the pile of gold.

[Michael]

I'm not good enough for you.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wasn't thinking of you. Michael. One thing of our little crowd. I mean, those people out there, I don't want them eating this food. It's too good for them.

[Michael]

I guess you're right.

[Katie Green]

The peasants.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly.

[Michael]

We have occasionally gone with the Only in the control room.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michael]

You know. Distribution center.

[Jack Armstrong]

That would work if I put it in here.

[Michael]

Out the word to the chosen few. Hey, you want a piece of this? It's a. It's right next to the mic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that. That I would do.

[Michael]

That I would. Don't tell anybody.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. So we're going to start the show officially a little earlier than we usually do because we got a couple of interesting clips that I think are worth talking about. About. It's a said they said they played the video of the second strike yesterday in front of a bunch of people in Congress and they came out with completely different partisan views of what they saw, which you're about to hear. So let's start the show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty on this. It is Friday, December 5, the year 2025, where Armstrong and Getty and we approve of this program.

[Michael]

All right, let's begin officially now, according to FCC rules and rags. Here we go at Mark.

[Jack Armstrong]

What I saw in that room was one of the most troubling things I've.

[Michael]

Seen in my time in public. No, I, I didn't see anything disturbing about it.

[Jack Armstrong]

What's disturbing to me is that millions.

[Michael]

Of Americans have died from drugs being run to America by these cartels. There you go. Consensus.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you got the chair, the Democratic chair of the committee, who says it's the most disturbing thing he's ever seen in public life. He said, you saw two people with no means of going anywhere, clinging to debris, no way to be part of Tom Cotton. The longer versions of these clips saying you saw exactly what was described. You saw two people that were still clearly combatants. This is absolutely righteous. I would have ordered the same thing myself in my military career. How do you possibly have two people see the same video and come away with such different views?

[Michael]

Dishonesty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, okay, so which one of them is being dishonest? I haven't seen the video.

[Michael]

Nor have I, although certainly from fairly neutral accounts I've read, it's not as was described by hinds, two helpless men clinging only to one. There was a cork on the boat and both men were clinging to the same cork and praying for mercy. No, they're trying to flip the boat over and keep going.

[Jack Armstrong]

I would say that the New York Times coverage of it. Let me look it over real quick.

New York Times coverage does not quote Heinz. It quotes Cotton and a couple other people.

So they don't. They. Their big headline is not Tom Cotton Lies about. No, they're, they're, they're getting into other angles of the story, but they're, they're not disputing what had leaked out previously that you got a couple people on a boat that's still boaty and, you know, radioing for help and blah, blah, blah, I don't know, Heinz act.

[Michael]

But many, many people were briefed and saw the videos, and he's the only guy coming up with coming out with the sob sister act.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right? And, well, as you pointed out, you heard on one of our radio stations, they, they played his clip as if that was just the sum total of the views of things. That's the news of the day here. Congress saw the video and this is what they thought. Well, this is what one guy thought and maybe nobody else. I know I was Watching Ms. Now last night, formerly msnbc, soon to be called Twitter, then X MSNBC last night went with their panel discussion as if what the Heinz Guy said was 100% true. You know, and the war crimes and what needs to be done and everything like that. I do think it's interesting that the New York Times is not taking that angle. They still have enough integrity that they're not going to cloud it that much. One point the New York Times makes today. Well, first of all, the Wall Street Journal editorial board is pretty big on the this isn't a real war, we shouldn't be doing this. This is not cool. They're fair enough backing up a step. But the New York Times says, and I thought this was interesting, the focus on the second strike and the nuances of the law of armed conflict could end up being a favor to the Trump administration. The idea that something was bad about that particular strike implicitly suggests that the first one on the boat and all the other attacks on the other boats were fine. And its premise reinforces yet the idea that, yeah, we're at war with these people and we're now we're arguing over whether or not that second strike in a war was okay. Kind of jumping past the first conversation.

[Michael]

A point I've made repeatedly. Right. For what it's worth, the News Nation headline video shows survivors killed in follow up strike. Alarming lawmakers come on News Nation and then they quote Hines, goodness sakes.

Quote anybody. They quote Tom Cotton down saying the mission was lawful and the strikes are justified and righteous.

[Jack Armstrong]

But come on.

I don't know, I'm, I'm pretty comfortable.

That we didn't commit a war crime there. So that's good. That wouldn't be good for anybody.

[Michael]

Yeah, I'm much more interested in the bigger question that the editorial board was bringing up there from the Journal.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are we at war with Venezuela or Venezuela cartels are narco terrorists or whatever we're going to call them.

[Michael]

The idea that war has morphed into armed conflict with terrorist groups, which has morphed into terrorist groups can include admittedly armed drug cartels and therefore we can be at war with them no matter what they're doing. And that's one interesting aspect of this. It's indisputable that if you're in a war you can take out their, you know, the rail lines, your, your enemy's rail lines or manufacturing centers or whatever to weaken their war effort.

Are we all comfortable with the idea that, okay, we're going to take out these drug Boats, because that's how they finance their nefarious operations. And by the way, they're poisoning Americans and killing us by the tens of thousands, you know, with our own, you know, ascent in a lot of cases. But is that all appropriate for the military? You know, it's funny. As I just laid it out there, I was starting to think, yeah, that makes sense.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, as the National Review wrote the other day, if this is how the war on drugs has morphed, bad news if you're on the wrong end of the war on poverty when we go there.

[Michael]

Yeah.

That'S kind of a funny thing to say.

[Jack Armstrong]

Start drone striking hungry people.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, it is a funny thing to say.

[Michael]

That's one way to end hunger, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Michael]

I don't know either.

Oh, the world.

[Jack Armstrong]

So, Michael, you finished your Christmas shopping how long ago?

[Michael]

A couple weeks ago, actually. I just finished wrapping my presents yesterday. They're all under the tree.

[Jack Armstrong]

God, I don't even have a tree up yet. I'm a bad person.

[Michael]

Well, no doubt. But yeah, we're. We're tardy on that ourselves, but that's because we got a remodel going on, and it's chaos.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, you got an excuse for not honoring Jesus's birth? Okay, fine.

[Michael]

Oh, speaking of sniping, this is one of my favorite things I've come across in getting ready for the show. So the Atlantic was doing this interview with Josh Shapiro, governor of Pennsylvania, frequently mentioned presidential hopeful, and he interviewed for the Veep slot with Kamala Harri. Well, they were interviewing him like, the. The day or the week the book came out, and he hadn't seen it yet. And this. This reporter was hitting him with some of the quotes from the book. And Shapiro, who is famously very measured, very even keeled, very strategic, kind of lost his ass and then immediately felt bad about it. We'll hit you with some of those delightful excerpts coming up. It's a good Kamala kicking, so you know, that'll be enjoyable.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's always feels good on a Friday.

[Michael]

Come on now, it's Friday. Let's enjoy ourselves.

[Jack Armstrong]

I. I haven't bought a present yet, Michael. Not a single one.

[Michael]

So everybody can get gift cards this year, huh?

[Jack Armstrong]

No, I can't do that. Can't do that with kids. That'd be horrible. The look on their face when they get a gift card. I can't do that.

[Michael]

Yeah, the whole buying gifts thing is in my rear view mirror mostly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

Man, when I look at my to do list for the weekend, can I just stay at work. How about I do a show on Saturday and Sunday and tell everybody I gotta work. We got Katie's headlines on the way. Clips of the week pretty soon and more news of the day. Hope you can stay here. Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Somebody just hit me with a list of things you can get at the 711 for Christmas if you want to. They're. They're, like, stocked up for, like, people who really fumbled the ball and aren't ready to go in terms of, like, you know, quickie gifts or ornaments or that sort of thing.

[Michael]

Kind of the shop of shame.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. What does that mean about society? That the 711 knows there's a big enough crowd of people like that just screwed up. So here we go. We got your back with some really cheap crap. That's something.

[Michael]

Scratchers, some smokes, and a teddy bear holding the heart.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's something that looks like an ornament if you're supposed to show up to your party with an ornament. You know, that sort of thing.

[Katie Green]

One of those rolling hot dogs.

[Michael]

Yeah.

Rotisserie dog. All right, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Katie Green. Katie.

[Katie Green]

All right, the lead headline.

[Jack Armstrong]

This. This joke is similar. This joke is similar to yesterday's. My grandpa had the heart of a lion and a lifetime ban from the zoo.

That is.

[Michael]

Yeah. Cut from the same cloth as yesterday's disturbing dolphin DNA joke child.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, back to Katie.

[Michael]

All right.

[Katie Green]

Of course, the boat story is the top headline, so here's a few sources from cnn. Survivors clinging to capsized boat didn't radio for backup. CBS lawmakers see video of second strike on boat. Survivors say admiral testified that there was no kill order. And the Guardian video shows US airstrike survivors clung to boat wreckage for an hour before second deadly attack.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that's interesting. As the testimony said it was minutes yesterday. That's what Tom Cotton or Tom Cotton came out saying. Yeah, it was just minutes between the first strike and the second strike. Having watched the video now, that does go against Pete Hegseth, what he said, like, earlier in the week, he said, look, I'm a very busy man. I don't have hours to sit there and watch how this plays out. And Tom Cotton said it happened all happened within a couple of minutes.

[Michael]

All right. Goodness sakes, can we get the facts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Please show everybody the video so we can watch. Then we'll know.

[Katie Green]

From Breitbart, Pam Bondi says evidence leading to J6 pipe bomber bomber arrest was collecting dust at Biden's FBI for four years.

[Jack Armstrong]

I do want to talk about this more later. Fascinating. And I wonder if I can play a role in this in the future where you just plug in everything today, AI and they can connect it, can connect the dots.

[Michael]

Well, I think that.

What'S being claimed is that the Biden FBI, the Biden Justice Department neglected this intentionally.

And I haven't heard any serious pushback on that yet. It is interesting that they cracked it this, you know, early in their term. Maybe it's coincidence, maybe not.

[Katie Green]

From the Washington Post, Supreme Court hands Trump victory in fight over Texas Congressional map.

[Jack Armstrong]

Somehow I missed this story. So that court that came out the other day and said, no, Texas can't do that, the Supreme Court 6, 3 said you're wrong.

[Michael]

Correct. Yeah. It happened yesterday evening. Last evening.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. That's a big deal.

[Katie Green]

From the New York Times. Putin basks in praise from Modi on India visit.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Katie Green]

Apparently Putin also saying he's going to share some of their military tech with India.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not quite the pariah we were hoping he'd be.

[Michael]

Well, you were hoping, but not Trump. The Trump administration, I'll give you the very short version of this. Is out with their official foreign policy statement. And it is, we're making nice with Russia and we'll negotiate between Russia and Europe. NATO is already too big. It's not going to get any bigger. It's a mark difference than his first term.

[Katie Green]

From NBC. Parents say school issued iPads are causing chaos with their kids.

[Jack Armstrong]

How come?

[Katie Green]

Behavioral problems? Because they want to use one at home.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right.

[Katie Green]

Study finds week long social media detox actually leads young adults to spending even more time on their phones.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you get away from social media but you spend more time looking at other stuff.

[Michael]

All right.

[Katie Green]

And then you spend a lot of time on social media when you come back to it, trying to catch up.

[Michael]

Oh, boy.

[Katie Green]

And finally, the Babylon be Minnesota added to Trump's third world travel ban.

[Jack Armstrong]

I get it. We got to catch you up on a bunch of different news stories.

Still trying to figure out exactly what. Why don't they release the video that second strike. Then we'll all just know. We can all watch it and make our own determination, Right? Are there two people clinging to barely alive or they look like they're active participants. We'd all know, right? Right away, Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, good news for me. I just saw our friend Tim Sandover's review of the Revolutionary War documentary from Ken Burns, in which Tim says, finished watching the Ken Burns revolutionary documentary. I liked it. Exclamation point. A few of my friends on here were complaining about it, but I thought it was great. Yeah, there were a few howlers. We played one. But there always isn't a Burns documentary and they were outweighed by the good stuff. Well, that. That'll get me back into it because in the first three minutes there were a couple of things where I was like, oh, my God. But if. And Tim is as anti woke around the revolutionary crowd as anybody in America.

[Michael]

If he.

[Jack Armstrong]

If he overall liked it, I'm gonna give it a watch then. Okay.

[Michael]

Yeah, that's the question. Especially if it leads with that sort of thing. Is this gonna be a drumbeat of woke crap or is it just the occasional. Oh boy, roll your eyes.

Right, right, right. So, so much to talk about today. Oh, my gosh. The giant climate scam is really on the rocks.

Really, really struggling. And they're floundering to try to keep the magic going as etc. Among other things to talk about. But first, it's the Friday tradition time to take fond look back at the week that was its cow clips of the week.

Now, what is an example of rage bait? It might be. I'll offer this sentence for you. I hate Santa.

Everybody talks about this place being a dad gum swamp. It's not a swamp.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is a sewer.

[Michael]

This is created by man.

You burned my house down.

Don't say anything crazy, man.

As I have said before, if the judge picks through all of that hair and finds only one eye, he's got the wrong end of the dark.

[Child Voice]

An animal control officer says the raccoon was found Saturday passed out next to the store's toilet.

[Michael]

As the man slides down, the lioness begins to claw.

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[Michael]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And he stumbled. Patriots ball. I don't think I've ever seen that. Oh, my God.

What the is that Waymo doing?

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[Jack Armstrong]

Last night, President Trump posted over 160.

[Michael]

Times on Truth Social, averaging more than.

[Jack Armstrong]

One post a minute. Well, I think we know where Venezuela's.

[Michael]

Cocaine has been going.

Hegset saying the military acted in compliance with the law of armed conflict.

[Jack Armstrong]

Pete said he did not want them. He didn't even know what people were talking about.

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The correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat.

[Michael]

The two survivors climbed back onto the boat after the initial strike. When people want to surrender, you don't kill them.

[Jack Armstrong]

As I've said I'll say again. We've only just begun striking narco boats. House Republicans launch an investigation into why.

[Michael]

Widespread Covid era fraud involving some members.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of Minnesota's large Somali community. These Somalians have taken billions of dollars.

[Michael]

Out of our country.

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The president's obsession with me is really unhealthy. It's creepy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Omar is garbage. Just garbage.

[Michael]

Once again got arrested. Not the first time you almost said.

[Jack Armstrong]

A woman got erected, which in these cases can happen.

[Michael]

No, I said a teacher, which you assumed was a woman because you're sexist moving.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

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It's clips of the week.

[Michael]

Here is the question before us since the Double tap story is about over, over, over, over except for a few individuals attempts to flog it further. When the Democrats stop pretending to care about this, will they go back to pretending to care about Epstein?

[Jack Armstrong]

Good question. The list using my finger quotes is supposed to come out within two weeks. A week ago. So we got a week to go for all the Epstein stuff to come out. So that'll be the story next week, I believe. What a Christmas present that is.

Two things from clips of the week. One.

Reminded me of. So Martha Raddatz.

Had information what, two days ago? That was the lead on the EBC evening news. People who had seen the video now reporting there were two men clinging on the boats.

Blah blah, blah. So where did that information come from? Is that the same video that they were watching yesterday? I still don't understand that. People are selectively leaking, obviously, as always happens. Yeah, that's the only thing that's left to the story to me is just who's lying and so egregiously lying about what they just saw. Anywho, I would agree. The other thing that is more interesting to me at this moment is the teacher on there talking about how hard it is to teach kids today with their dopamine addiction that we all have from our smartphones and the pace of life and how you just can't hold a kid's attention. That should get way more attention as a. That's a very poorly structured sentence.

That should get more discussion. Not only is our curriculum a mess at the schools, but even if he had the curriculum that I liked, how in the world is any teacher going to stand up in front of a 12 year old in the modern world and talk to them about, you know, the, the Declaration of Independence and hold their attention when their brains have been crafted to take in information in a completely different way?

[Michael]

It's a horrific problem. It is. And it sounds like hyperbole I don't think it is. I remember, you know, in our teenage years, our parents were worried about us, you know, smoking pot and having sex or whatever. I would, I would far rather have my kid smoke a little pot, have sex, and not be addicted to the endorphin thing with a smartphone. I think it's far more damaging. I wouldn't want them to become like a raving everyday pothead. I'm not saying that you can do terrible damage, especially to adolescents, but I think it's a bigger threat to their health and happiness than the, the hazards of old.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, you could be. If you want to be like a real boomer, you can just. Well, they need to learn to sit there and pay attention. But that ain't gonna work. It just is not going to work. I think we're gonna have to restructure all teaching in like, video form and little snippets. I think if you taught like both of my kids, if you were teaching them in the style that tick tock videos are, where the information comes fast and.

And in little snippets, much more likely to hold their attention and have them walk away after an hour of that having learned something than a teacher standing in that they're droning on. Not even close. And then when I was talking a couple of weeks ago about how we may have ended the era of illiteracy, literacy didn't really start in the world until around 1700, when the printing press had been around long enough and enough people had learned to read and people got into books and reading. It may be over now. In fact, all indications are it is over. Book sales, long form reading is down so much that it's over. It was about 300 years of people reading and it's just over.

[Michael]

Yeah, and it's coming too, and it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ain'T really coming back. So you can either.

Claim that you can yell at the world and they'll get back on board with reading or something, or to adjust to it. I think those are your two choices.

[Michael]

I think it's possible, unlikely but possible that we as a society could decide in the same way we did with drunk driving and cigarette smoking, that kids addicted to the endorphin just shot after shot after shot after shot of the smartphone is a terrible thing to do to a child. Again, it's possible we could do that. It's unlikely. I really hate to admit that you're probably right with your zing bang pow educational model, but that may be the only choice.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, one of the problems with your Your plan. And this is one of my biggest beliefs in the world.

The generation that remembers any other way is going to be dead before you know it. And there won't be anybody left who remembers what a brain felt like before smartphones came along. There won't be many people. Pretty soon there won't be anybody left.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Jack Armstrong]

I barely remember myself when I could just sit there in quiet with a book for long periods of time and there wasn't my brain screaming for more entertainment.

[Michael]

Well, yeah, I think it's more profound than that. Just because they don't have real friends. Some, a lot of kids and they never get together with anybody of the opposite sex and they have no interest in family or children or anything like that will die out and it'll be a planet of the ants. I don't know. I just, I'm a fatalist on some of these things.

[Jack Armstrong]

But for today, to try to fix today, I think, yeah, definitely the education is going to have to go the direction of Bing, pow, zoom, tick tock style. That's the way you spread information. I think that's your only hope, which would be a lot of work as a teacher.

[Michael]

Well, yeah, you're gonna have to have, you know, I don't know, you're gonna have to have to hire tick tock to design your current, your curriculum. Then the Chinese just have a direct pipeline into our elementary schools. That's just great. Well, happy Friday, everybody. Here's a word from our friends at Omaha Steak. Speaking of gifts, you're, you know, you're in a conundrum. You have somebody you care about, but they don't need stuff. Give them the delicious Omaha steaks, especially right now during the Sizzle all the way sale.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Am I wrong? I take in quite a bit of media. I don't hear this conversation come up really anywhere else. This whole.

Nobody reads anymore, they need a different way of teaching, etc. Etc. I don't really hear the conversation anywhere.

[Michael]

No. I think the American educational system and this is a great failing of boomers and Gen X in particular and whatever millennials, whatever. You people are a little younger than me.

Actually. That'd be most gen next. Our great failing is that we saw education as a set it and forget it part of society because that's what it was when we were growing up. There were some issues and tweaks that were needed. You know, we could go into those. But it was mostly a really solid institution that functioned at a high level. Witness the fact that the American university system, and hilariously in particular the University of California system were the envies of the world. World. And rightfully so. Now they're crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Joe dropped a sea bomb on our university.

[Michael]

Damn right. Wake up and smell it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Michael]

Smell the guano. So disappointing.

[Jack Armstrong]

In hour two, we're going to talk a little bit about that pipe bomber that they caught and what the deal is with him. There's not that much known. Surprisingly little about the guy is known 24 hours after this story broke. But we do know something about the investigation. Kind of interesting. We got Mailbag on the way. Hope you can stay here.

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[Michael]

Holy crap.

[Jack Armstrong]

How have I missed the attempted drone attack on Zelensky's plane in Dublin the other day? There's so much going on in the world that nobody can keep track of everything.

[Michael]

Too much. Stop it. Stop creating news. Here's your freedom loving quote of the day. This is so good. From Hilaire Belloc Paraphrasing Great George Orwell A people that has forgotten its traditions, its ancestors, and the sacrifices that brought its freedom is a people already conquered. For the man without memory is easily ruled and the man without roots is easily led. That's why they're trying to completely obliterate the history of the country in schools, the postmodernists, the Neo Marxists. They know this. They know it's true.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well then, two thumbs up to Ken Burns for reaching a lot of America with pretty much the traditional story of our founding. I'm happy to hear that, Yeah, I would agree.

[Michael]

Mailbag. Drop us a Note [e-mail] Joe, you're not doing a James Garfield quote today. You're saying to yourselves. That's right, because we've got a fascinating James Garfield fact to kick off. Mailbag. Garfield was ambidextrous and had the rare ability to write in two languages simultaneously. What? To impress his guests at White House dinners, Garfield would often write in Latin with one hand and Greek with the other, all while holding a casual conversation.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is some crazy ass.

[Michael]

Most people can't write in their native language at all now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. So he. He and da Vinci are the only people I've ever heard of that could do that. That's crazy.

[Michael]

Yeah, I know. It's. It's absolute madness. Moving along, Kellen from Rohnert park, ca. Hey, AG and crew had a conversation with my boys in the car the other day. My eldest sophomore in high school, talking about interesting professions, like how actors are professional pretenders, politicians, professional talkers. Had you guys playing on the podcast at the time. My sixth grader added. Yeah, and these guys are professional complainers. That's. I had laughs getting yuck, too. Yeah, thanks for your thoughtful and educational complaining, for helping us all age a little faster. I believe that to be sarcasm, Kellen.

[Jack Armstrong]

If I complain for a living. I was born to this job, no doubt about it.

[Michael]

Well, being a critic of, you know, the overreach and abuse and just threats of the country, I'm. I'm happy to accept that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Critic of modern society sounds much better than professional complainer.

[Michael]

Yeah. Anyway, let's see. This is from pj. I hadn't heard this. The Minnesota Vikings have changed their name. Here's the new new logo. Can you see that? To the Somali pirates.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's funny.

[Michael]

I hadn't heard that. That's funny. Let's see. Oh, and our sarcastic email of the day from Forest.

Hey, guys. To follow the back and forth around the strikes on the Venezuelan drug boats. What's. Who's allowed to do what and why? Is it law or law enforcement or war? And the rest of it. I was getting confused. But then I had an idea. I think it's brilliant, but since Joe almost went to law school, I'd like your take. What if there was some way the President could request some sort of authorization for the use of military force? This, we'll call it an aumf. Could outline which assets are involved, what the objectives are. Now, we wouldn't want to just hand these out willy nilly, so maybe we ought to have a group of like 535 people who have to vote yes or no approving it or maybe do it in two votes, one with a group of 435 and the other with 100. I don't know, I haven't worked out all the details yet, but I feel like I'm onto something here anyway. Owen2 to be fair to Trump, several.

[Jack Armstrong]

Presidents in a row, including Barack Obama, have done all kinds of things without going out and getting what you just described.

[Michael]

But in general, I agree on a completely different topic. Brian from Santa Rosa writes, I drive 600 to 1,000 miles a week. The number of idiots on their phones is staggering. And then he introduces this brilliant idea required self driving vehicles for people who prove themselves to be jackasses behind the wheel. If you need to text and use social media, blah blah, you're in a self driving vehicle. Same with slow drivers in the fast lane, people that cannot get up to freeway speed when entering said freeway. I'm sure you have plenty to add yourself.

Muttering in the dark.

All right, thanks for the note. Has a great, great Dwight Eisenhower quote. We'll use that next week.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, we were riding with an Uber driver the other day on vacation and he was getting onto the interstate and he's coming down the ramp and I'm thinking, are you gonna go any faster than this before you get on the interstate? And we were going 48 miles an hour when he joined the 80 mile an hour traffic on the interstate.

[Michael]

He's being safe.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know I do not. And I wanted to send him. You think you're being safe, don't you? You think you're the safest person out here.

[Michael]

And then back to the question of the double tap. Excuse me. JT in Livermore writes to me, there's a bigger scandal. That's the scandal of the same old Dem playbook in which a lefty paper starts terrible and probably false accusations by another single anonymous source. How many times can the Dems hurt our country based on the lies of a single unnamed source? How many times can a WaPo or other paper fail to get corroboration before running their garbage story? Who are the Democrats serving, if not themselves? It certainly isn't the country they've sworn to protect and defend. I think they had two sources for this. Allegedly. And you know, you're right in your greater statement I agree with. But as we've seen, people will watch the video, this Heinz character, for instance, the senator, and come out and say it's the most troubling thing I've ever seen in my life. It's just terrible, terrible. And so it's, you know, you can. It's either honestly a difference in the eye of the beholder or it's so easy to pose as being disturbed and horrified that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, Admiral dude testified yesterday, no, there was never any kill them all order. So he just flat out denies under oath that that ever happened, which was part of the reporting from the Washington Post on Monday that every had everybody all stirred up. Right.

[Michael]

It's over.

[Jack Armstrong]

You think the controversy is over?

[Michael]

I'm declaring it over.

[Jack Armstrong]

I hope you're right. We got a lot more in our two like the pipe bomber and other stuff. If you missed a segment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Pressure is coming down.

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