Stabby McStabberson

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – Episode Summary

Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Episode: Stabby McStabberson
Date: September 24, 2025
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Overview

This episode of Armstrong & Getty dives into the controversies and cultural debates dominating headlines, from the latest gender policy battles in schools, to the fallout over Jimmy Kimmel's on-air emotional response to recent political violence, to the ongoing debates about free speech and censorship. In characteristic style, Jack and Joe balance spirited critique, mocking humor, and pointed commentary on the major political and social stories of the week.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening: Mainstream Media Distractions & The Kimmel Segment

• Context: While Jimmy Kimmel’s return to late-night TV after a major news event is widely covered, Jack notes, “it’s like the fourth most interesting or important thing that happened yesterday” ([03:30]).
• Anticipation: The hosts tease a later discussion of Kimmel’s most dramatic, yet underreported, statement.

2. Gender Policy & Schools: ‘Gender Bending Madness Update’

• Elk Grove, California School Policy Battle ([04:01–09:06])

  • Controversy: A school board is debating whether to allow trans girls (biological males) to participate in girls’ sports and access girls’ bathrooms and locker rooms.
  • Community Pushback: Overwhelming opposition from parents, highlighted by calls for rules ensuring women's sports remain limited to those "assigned female at birth".
  • Legal Bind: The district cites state law as the reason they can’t challenge the policy.
    • Jack Armstrong: “You could in a non-cowardly fashion say, I agree that I don’t think boys should be participating in girls sports, but the current law of California says... But you didn’t say.” ([08:22])
  • Hypocrisy Call-Out: Hosts point to 15 other districts that have defied similar laws—“finding their moral courage and stood up for the girls” ([08:36]).

• Secret LGBTQ+ Clubs in Schools ([09:36–10:47])

  • Parental Concerns: Parents were kept in the dark about a “safe space” club for LGBTQ+ discussions in an elementary school, even though permission is required for other clubs like gardening.
  • Term “Groomers” Thrown: Jack expresses frustration at secrecy, referencing the excess of required permissions for other school activities.

• Personal Story: Chloe Cole’s Detransition Experience ([11:05–13:55])

  • The hosts read from an op-ed about Chloe, a young detransitioner, forced through medical transition starting in early adolescence.
    • Jack Armstrong: “How do you find a doctor that's gonna cut the breasts off a 12 year old girl?” ([12:58])
    • Both hosts unite in condemning the medical establishment and the pressure put on parents under the threat: “She'll kill herself if you don't.” ([12:35])
    • Michael: “It’s absolutely horrific and unforgivable. … Now imagine the weight they’re carrying in their hearts.” ([13:57])

• Discussion on Suicide Statistics

  • Hosts contest studies claiming denied gender care leads to suicide, calling it “completely bogus” ([14:33]).

3. Shifts – Brief Asides & Pop Culture

• Golden Bachelor Jokes: Lighthearted banter about new reality TV shows aimed at seniors ([18:51–19:15]).
• Housing Market: Brief astonishment at rising home sales after a slight mortgage rate cut ([19:12–19:39]).

4. Censorship, Free Speech, and Government Pressure

• YouTube & Biden Administration:
  • Google announces the unbanning of accounts previously removed at the Biden administration's urging, raising concerns about censorship.
  • Hosts highlight the hypocrisy of defending Kimmel’s free speech while applauding COVID “misinformation” crackdowns on others.
    • Jack Armstrong: “Exactly the same as canceling Jimmy Kimmel because you don’t like what he said.” ([20:23])

5. Political Violence: The Ryan Ruth Case (‘Stabby McStabberson’)

• Assassination Attempt Fallout
  • News Recap: The man convicted of attempting to assassinate Trump tries to stab himself with a pen in court, but is prevented due to “anti-suicide proof” pens ([20:35–21:51]).
  • Courtroom Stunts: Hosts note that such attempts, while dramatic, are often calculated to gain single-cell custody or grounds for appeal ([21:08–21:43]).

6. Progressive Politics: NYC Mayoral Race Concerns

• Democratic Socialist Candidate: Hosts discuss how a far-left, self-described communist mayor could challenge the Democratic Party, predicting a long-term political backlash ([21:55–23:26]).

7. Jimmy Kimmel’s Emotional Broadcast & Media Coverage

a. Kimmel’s Reaction to the Kirk Shooting

• Context: Kimmel was emotional on-air after right-wing activist Charlie Kirk was shot. Kimmel initially implied the violence stemmed from right-wing rhetoric ([27:21–30:29]).
  • Jack Armstrong: “I think it’s fake. … Could I go through this kind of controversy for a week and a half… and still turn into a tearful, blubbering person? I don’t think so.” ([28:47])
  • Michael: “Well, you’re a very different person than Jimmy Kimmel. I don’t judge people’s blubbering.” ([28:51])

b. Forgiveness and Christianity Excerpt ([30:55–31:50])

• Kimmel expresses admiration for Charlie Kirk’s wife’s act of forgiveness:
  • Kimmel (read by Jack):

    “A very beautiful moment. … Erica Kirk forgave the man who shot her husband. She forgave him. That is an example we should follow. If you believe in the teachings of Jesus, as I do, there it was. That’s it. A selfless act of grace, forgiveness from a grieving widow. It touched me deeply and I hope it touches many.” ([30:55])

• Hosts express surprise that this moment wasn’t broadcast elsewhere.
  • Jack Armstrong: “Why has nobody played that clip?... To me, that was by far the most emotional, interesting thing he said last night.” ([31:31])

c. Perceived Media Hypocrisy on Christianity

• Michael argues media outlets are uncomfortable airing positive references to Christianity, particularly from a liberal figure ([31:50–32:52]).
  • “He dropped a J-bomb, the way I would put it.”

d. Lack of Genuine Apology

• The hosts critique Kimmel’s failure to explicitly retract or apologize for erroneously implicating the political right in the shooting:
  • Jack Armstrong: “I won’t even make you say the shooter was of the left. Just say he was not MAGA. … He couldn’t do it last night.” ([33:33–34:09])

8. Broader Free Speech Debate & Government Overreach

• Jen Psaki & Social Media Pressure ([34:16–36:12])

  • Clip montage: Psaki references government coordination with social media to suppress "disinformation" during COVID.
  • Hosts compare this stifling of dissent to current free speech debates, blasting political hypocrisy on both sides.
    • Michael: “To have Jen Psaki coming out waving the First Amendment around is just disgusting.” ([36:12])

• Reaffirmed Free Speech Principles

  • Both assert that even offensive or wrongheaded speech—by Kimmel, or by COVID “contrarians”—should be constitutionally protected ([36:37–37:57]).
  • Michael: “By always standing up for it. That’s my only answer. ... Jimmy Kimmel has the right to be a complete a-hole.” ([37:57], [38:05])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On gender policies:

  “It’s so enlightened. Well, predictably, the parents despise it.” — Michael ([04:14])

• On medical transitions for minors:

  “How do you find a doctor that's gonna cut the breasts off a 12 year old girl?” — Jack Armstrong ([12:58])
  “It’s absolutely horrific and unforgivable. … Now imagine the weight they’re carrying in their hearts.” — Michael ([13:57])

• On Kimmel’s forgiveness clip:

  “If you believe in the teachings of Jesus, as I do, there it was. That's it. A selfless act of grace, forgiveness from a grieving widow.” — Jimmy Kimmel (read by Jack Armstrong) ([30:55])

• On media treatment of Christianity:

  “He dropped a J-bomb, the way I would put it.” — Michael ([32:41])

• On apologies:

  “I won’t even make you say the shooter was of the left. Just say he was not MAGA. … He couldn’t do it last night.” — Jack Armstrong ([33:33–34:09])

• On freedom of speech:

  “By always standing up for it. That's my only answer. And that's why I'm doing it. Jimmy Kimmel has the right to be a complete a hole.” — Michael ([37:57–38:05])
  “Without freedom of speech, may we be led dumb to the slaughter like sheep.” — Michael ([48:42])

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Key Timestamps

• 03:30 — Mainstream media overfocus on Jimmy Kimmel’s return vs. more important news
• 04:01–09:06 — ‘Gender Bending Madness Update’: Elk Grove school policy and parental reactions
• 09:36–10:47 — Secret LGBTQ+ clubs and parental exclusion
• 11:05–13:55 — Chloe Cole’s detransition story and broader critique of “gender affirming care”
• 20:19–21:51 — Biden administration’s YouTube bans and the Ryan Ruth courtroom stabbing incident
• 23:26 — Democratic Socialists and the future of NYC
• 27:21–34:09 — Jimmy Kimmel’s emotional response, Christian forgiveness, and media coverage
• 34:16–36:12 — Jen Psaki vs. social media “misinformation” and free speech hypocrisy
• 37:57–38:05 — Defense of free speech, even for “a-hole” commentators
• 45:32 — Trump, Ukraine, and the surprising political statement
• 47:31 — Final thoughts: humor, discipline, freedom of speech

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Tone & Style

• The tone is conversational, irreverent, and combative.
• The hosts often deploy sarcasm ("Stabby McStabberson," "he dropped a J-bomb") while advocating serious points about free speech, institutional cowardice, and media hypocrisy.
• Personal, at times emotional, candid discussion interspersed with jokes and light moments—true to Armstrong & Getty's established radio persona.

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Conclusion

This episode is a wide-ranging, high-energy critique of contemporary cultural politics, packed with pointed analysis of gender policy debates, media narratives, political violence, and free speech controversies. Armstrong & Getty’s signature mix of satirical banter, righteous anger, and unexpected empathy produce a lively "catch up" on the cultural battles of fall 2025.

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[Michael]

Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Jimmy Kimmel going back on the air last night to me is like the fourth most interesting or important thing that happened yesterday. Maybe not even that high with a whole bunch of major news stories, but it's getting the most coverage because, well, because the mainstream media loves the anti Trump Jimmy Kimmel. But even with the amount of coverage it's getting, the most dramatic thing he said is not getting played. We'll play it for you a little bit later this hour.

[Michael]

Looking forward to renewing that discussion. But first, it's a gender bending madness update.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I kept hearing about this thing called gender bending madness. They're loco. We're in a brave new world.

[Michael]

We're gonna begin the report with a completely shocking but unsurprising story from beautiful Elk Grove, California, not terribly far from the radio ranch from which this fine show originates. Elk Grove, which has a bit of a history with woke education, recently had a school board meeting about whether they should continue to allow big males to whoop up on girls in sports in girl sports. Because if you don't follow this, if a boy says I'm a girl now they get to compete in girls sports and go into girls bathrooms and watch them get undressed. It's so enlightened. Well, predictably, the parents despise it. And we're calling for a change in the rules. We'll start with 90. Michael It's a montage of parents, the overwhelming majority of whom sounded like this.

[Jack Armstrong]

I just want to remind the board of the executive orders that prevent transgender girls and women from participating in female sports. That means men and boys participating in female sports. Women's sports are reserved for those assigned female at birth. So you have to be a girl or a woman to participate in girl or women's sports. This is ridiculous that we have to say this. Just this morning on a local radio show that's nationally syndicated, the host praised this board for doing the right thing.

[Cynthia Littleton]

I think they had already assumed you.

[Joe Getty]

Were going to be voting yes for this resolution. So I'm hoping that you will join.

[Jack Armstrong]

15 other districts and also vote for the resolution.

[Cindy Crawford]

I have two lovely daughters.

[Jack Armstrong]

They're both in a volleyball club.

[Cindy Crawford]

Back in May this year, my older daughter's volleyball team. They were matched up against a team.

[Joe Getty]

Make up entirely of voice in the tournament.

[Michael]

When the match began, it was immediately clear how different the game would be.

[Jack Armstrong]

The local radio show they're referring to was us. I don't know why they couldn't say her name, Armstrong and Getty.

[Michael]

But yeah, because we're known conservative maniacs.

[Jack Armstrong]

I assumed that the vote would be quite clearly to yeah, no, we're not going to have transgender boys in the girls. But it's seven one the other direction.

[Michael]

Right, Right. And as you're about to hear, what they the progressives leaned on was that the state law, which is in blatant violation of federal law, says no big strong boys can just beat the crap out of girls as long as they throw on a wig and maybe a little mascara or something like this. Very enlightened. Here's the superintendent, one Chris Hoff.

[Jack Armstrong]

With relation the challenge with the resolution as presented is it is contrary to California state law. And so we have as a district not brought forward resolutions or asked the board to take action on any items that would be against established state law because it puts the district potentially at a situation where we could be sued and or deal with some other type of legal action because our responsibility is to carry out state law. Well, I do know the one thing schools try to avoid is being sued to. That's why your kids can't run it. Recess if it rained yesterday because they might get sued.

[Michael]

Mr. Hoffman, expressing a point of view there that I find not completely insane.

[Jack Armstrong]

No. But depressing.

[Michael]

But depressing and cowardly. Yeah. Michael Vargas is the president of the school board.

[Jack Armstrong]

My reasoning for also not agreeing to put this on the agenda serving in my role as president is that this issue is currently before the courts. The courts will have the final say. And so I think it is appropriate for us to wait to have a full policy discussion on this until we get full guidance from not just the federal courts but also the state.

[Michael]

Michael, I'll tell you this. The sport, the courts are going to spike this ball like a big strong man in a girls volleyball game right into the face of the little girls of injustice.

[Jack Armstrong]

As you said, you can understand the argument that, look, it violates state law. We're not going to violate state law. But you could in a non cowardly fashion say I agree that I don't think boys should be participating in girls sports, but the current law of California says. But you didn't say.

[Michael]

And therefore. No, they didn't say that. And what about, you know, Chris and Michael and I say this in a. An open hearted way because I would much rather talk about issues than just cast dispersions. What about the other 15 school districts that have found their moral courage and stood up for the girls, including little girls. What about them? What do you. Do you have anything to say about them? You think if you did and I just didn't hear it, I. I will sit corrected.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Do you think they're just crazy maniacs violating state law?

[Michael]

Let's cast our eye to yesteryear, Jack. Literally last year in 2024, a local station in the Sacramento area, oddly enough the same station that got sprayed with bullets the other day by a progressive Trump hating attorney, was reporting on a controversy. I think they explained it pretty well in the report. It's 93. Michael was a little displeased by the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Secrecy that was surrounding the club.

[Michael]

Parents like Kyle Dixon says they learned about the UB earlier this year. Started by a third grade teacher which they say told the young students it was a safe place for boys who crush on boys or girls who crush on girls.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not the club per se that concerns me. It's the fact that the school and the district has taken a posture of hiding this intentionally from parents.

[Joe Getty]

We have guardian clubs, you know, all these other type of clubs that require parents permission slips. And this club, this club was not.

[Michael]

It's the only club that Elk Grove and a third grade teacher kept secret. Then you need a permission slip for the gardening club. But not the let's talk about whether you're transgender club.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh groomers. As someone with still kids in school, you need eight different permissions slips with a list of every drug your kid might take in a doctor's signature to do flipping anything right in school in the modern world. But you've got one secret club where there's no permission slip. Okay, got pretty pretty well easy to understand what's going on there.

[Michael]

And it's just striking that the poor parents, black, white, Asian, male, female, young, old, are all perfectly reasonable and make perfectly reasonable arguments. And the spokes holes and powers that be for the school district and the state of California have nothing but legalistic. We gotta let the court tell us what we have to do and or woke progressive slogans to throw at you. Which is why it's an 85 15, you know topic in America. Hey, I want to squeeze this into the gender bending madness update as well. It's an absolutely great piece written by Kurt Maselli and he's suggesting in it that the cdc, one of the things that it should be doing is it should be helping young people disfigured by so called gender affirming care. And this is so powerful. Chloe Cole had a tough adolescence. Okay. She was a tomboy as a child. She didn't like girly things. And when she started puberty early, 8 or 9 years old, she's testified, she started to develop breasts and a womanly physique and started to get unwanted attention from boys. She's not even 10. And like many kids in the early to mid-2010s, she spent a lot of time on social media and video games, which led her to online communities that told her, you're really a boy. And she came to believe she was a boy in the wrong body. When she was 12, quote, I came out as transgender in a letter. I sat on the dining room table. My parents were immediately concerned. They felt like they needed to get outside help from medical professionals. But this proved to be a mistake. The doctors pushed Chloe and her parents to accept the lie that she could become a boy over the next three years.

[Jack Armstrong]

Remember, guaranteed, guaranteed somewhere in there was. She'll kill herself if you don't.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah, of course, of course. So keep in mind this is starting at age 12. Over the next three years, she was given hormones to delay puberty, then testosterone, then a double mastectomy. Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

As a child. That is unbelievable. I can't believe there are doctors that even do that.

[Michael]

Oh, I know. It's monstrous.

[Jack Armstrong]

How do you find a doctor that's gonna cut the breasts off a 12 year old girl?

[Michael]

Wow. Well, she was 15 when that happened. But she was told the treatments would help her. But her mental health deteriorated. When she was 16, she realized she'd always been a girl, of course, but she had no path back to healing and hope because the medical establishment not only encourages gender transition, but refuses to acknowledge it can ever be a mistake. And as the writer writes, Ms. Cole has physical, mental scars that will be with her for the rest of her life. She doesn't recognize herself when she looks in the mirror. And she isn't alone. Nearly 14,000 kids received what is euphemistically called gender affirming care between 2019 and 2023 alone. And an unknown yet growing number profoundly regret it. Their existence and their urgent medical needs must be brought into the light. We're short on time. More on this topic. Another day.

[Jack Armstrong]

A nine year old.

[Michael]

I know, it's. It's absolutely horrific and unforgivable. And I tell you, my heart goes out to the poor parents who like Chloe's were brow beaten by the very medical authorities they've always been told they should trust into encouraging this horror or their child would kill themselves. Do you want a live son or a dead daughter? They would be told. And so these poor parents went along with it. Now imagine the weight they're carrying in their hearts. Terrible. It's a gender bending madness. Update.

[Jack Armstrong]

Studies have shown that if you don't give your kid gender affirming care, they will commit suicide. Which is completely bogus.

[Michael]

Completely made up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah man, that is pretty awful. Okay, that's enough of that. That is a depressing topic. And crazy. Absolutely crazy.

[Michael]

It ought to energize you to fight against it though. That's my point. Not to depress anybody that we went down that road.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wonder if in my life still.

[Michael]

Going down it still it's still ascendant in education and the medical establishment is crazy woke too in a lot of ways.

[Jack Armstrong]

Certainly not culturally, thank God.

[Michael]

But no.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wonder what other crazy things happen in my lifetime where we just all of a sudden decide, you know, up is down, black is white and people go along with it. I mean, because that's crazy.

[Michael]

That came out of founded to perpetuate slavery, not bring liberty. A boy can just declare he's a girl and that makes him a girl. It's insane.

[Jack Armstrong]

Eventually we'll get to the really shocking thing Jimmy Kimmel said that you have probably haven't heard, among other things on the way Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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Switching gears to some TV news, tomorrow night is the season premiere.

[Michael]

Of the Golden Bachelor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, the Golden Bachelor.

[Michael]

And this season the women fall in.

[Jack Armstrong]

Love with the limo driver because he can still drive at night.

[Michael]

That's hot.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's pretty funny. Couple of different things for you.

[Michael]

That's the non hateful Jimmy, by the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Way, just saw this. Home sales have surged 20% because of the mortgage rate cut. That surprised me because I didn't think a quarter point would dislodge many people. It's at six and a quarter or something. The national 30 year and I thought that wouldn't get many people out.

[Michael]

But Anyway, well, it's 25% over historic lows, but it's, it's progress.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'll tell you what, I'm a renter and every, every month when I write my rent check. It's like, dang it, rent. I'm not putting toward anything, but there's a lot of stuff I like about not owning a house. Oh yeah, that I would. That I'm surprised by. Actually. Another thing I wanted to mention, Google just announced that they are going to reinstate a whole bunch of accounts that got banned at the Biden administration's insistence. Where is this conversation while we're talking about Jimmy Kimmel and free speech and everything like that? YouTube Because Biden told him to. Canceled a whole bunch of YouTube channels for hate speech.

[Michael]

Like, I think the right Corona virus came out of the lab, which is.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly the same as canceling Jimmy Kimmel because you don't like what he said. Do you get that or not? Apparently you don't get that.

[Michael]

Friggin hypocrites.

[Jack Armstrong]

This happened yesterday, which is a heck of a deal.

[Michael]

The explosive moment in court after Ryan.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ruth was found guilty on all accounts.

[Michael]

Of attempting to assassinate Donald Trump on his Florida golf course.

[Jack Armstrong]

Ruth attempting to stab himself in the neck with a pen.

[Michael]

Officers then swarming him and dragging him.

[Jack Armstrong]

Out of the room.

[Michael]

Ruth, now facing up to life in.

[Jack Armstrong]

Prison on five federal charges. That pen Ruth used to stab himself is specially designed to prevent injuries and he'll be sentenced in December. So first of all, as we wonder, why don't you just back off and let him stab himself? He's a convicted murder attempted murderer, so.

[Michael]

Hand him a knife.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I don't care. But Katie, thanks for tweeting this out to us yesterday. She's talking to her dad, the judge who I had on a week ago. Yeah, fake attempt. You don't try to do it and you're not actually trying to kill yourself. Saw it in court. Except Katie's dad says he saw it in court once. Except he stabbed his attorney. It happened so fast that if you really wanted to kill yourself, you could. But this gets you on suicide watch in a single cell jail and also can be a basis for an appeal to show that you're. You represented yourself and you're crazy and you shouldn't have been allowed to and blah, blah, blah.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, it's a win win for stabby McStaberson there. Plus they got no stabbing pens there, which are a thing, apparently.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, right, it's, you know, I get it. He might actually want to stab himself to death. He's nuts.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And he didn't know the pens were anti suicide proof or whatever they are. Oh, and I came across this yesterday. The National Review wrote a piece. Where are the Never Mamdani Democrats? When Trump ran, there were a lot of Never Trump Republicans that weren't going to put up with it and stood by that. Are there any Never Mandami Democrats who are going to say, no, I don't think we should have a communist mayor of New York City? Nope, Nope, there aren't.

[Michael]

By the way, he's going to stamp out all the charter schools soon as he can. Any chance for any kids to get a better education than anybody else, well, that's not equity. So they're going to try to end that. It's, it's unbelievable.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm, you know, if you're, if you lean right, you got to be excited about this guy becoming mayor of New York because he's going to be the face of the Democratic Party and they're all going to be in the position of, of either denouncing him or distancing themselves or agreeing with him.

[Michael]

I would agree. Yeah, I cry, I weep for the people and the children of New York. But yeah, it's going to be such a great way to discredit progressive policies. I kind of, in a weird evil way, I'm looking forward to it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if this is his moderating period, which he hasn't moderated much, and then he'll go back to his real core beliefs when he's elected. Wait till that happens.

[Michael]

And if you missed our segment about what the Democratic socialists of America, with whom he is closely tied, what they actually believe, it's insane. They're communists.

[Jack Armstrong]

Did you know Jimmy Kimmel cried last night and said he's a follower of Christ just like Charlie Kirk's wife? Yeah, he did. Nobody's playing that clip. We will. It's coming up next. Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I have many friends and family members on the other side who I love and remain close to, even though we don't agree on politics at all. I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone. This was a sick person who believed violence was a solution and it isn't ever. And also, selfishly, I am a person who gets a lot of threats. I get many ugly and scary threats against my life, my wife, my kids, my co workers, because of what I choose to say. And I know those threats don't come from the kind of people on the right who I know and love. So that's what I wanted to say on that subject. Yeah, you said the opposite last week or a week before, whenever that was. I don't care about this.

[Michael]

I thought it was very, very important who, who the kill. And you're certain it was a MAGA guy?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And Charlie Kirk had created this atmosphere on his own by being the kind of person he is and kind of deserved it is what you were implying. So, you know, I originally didn't like people thinking he was crying fake tears. But when I think about it, could I go through this kind of controversy for a week and a half having discussed it with lawyers and friends and my spouse and everybody multiple times thought about it and then still turn into a tearful, blubbering person? I don't think so.

[Michael]

Well, you're a very different person than Jimmy Kimmel. I don't judge people's blubbering.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm going to. I think it's fake.

[Michael]

Well, I think he was sincere in virtually everything he said. And I think he is a fool, a complete fool. It's funny what's I think expected of a conservative commentator judging by what I've seen on social media, which is a cesspool of hate and disgust. But anyway, is that I don't like Jimmy Kimmel, therefore everything he says is wrong all the time. And I hate him, hate him, hate him. I think everything he said about the First Amendment was right. I think everything he said about it's much more important. Well, well, we probably have the clip that it's much more important that we have the right to have a show like his than anything he said. I think that's 100% correct. I also think he's a dishonest, lying, hypocritical, hypocritical fool. I thought his apology was a non apology. It was a pathetic, gutless, weaselly Attempted an apology.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's why I think the tears are fake. How could you go down the road emotionally of, of, of getting to tears without recognizing, saying that, you know, I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have claimed that the killer was one of you who Charlie Kirk created. I mean, what an awful thing to say.

[Michael]

Well, and now he's going with it doesn't matter what the killer's politics were. Oh my God, you are so self serving.

[Jack Armstrong]

Your main point when you came back on the air on that Monday night was that the killer was MAGA and they're trying to cover it up. That was your main point.

[Michael]

Have you backed and anybody who's pretending to mourn it was a fake and mourning like a four year old mourns a goldfish.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it's really interesting that he said this stuff too, and that you're about to hear. And more interesting is of all the shows I took in last night that had the highlights and shows this morning that had the highlights, none of them played this.

[Michael]

There was a moment over the weekend.

[Jack Armstrong]

A very beautiful moment. I don't know if you saw this on Sunday. Erica Kirk forgave the man who shot her husband. She forgave him. That is an example we should follow. If you believe in the teachings of Jesus, as I do, there it was. That's it. A selfless act of grace, forgiveness from a grieving widow. It touched me deeply and I hope it.

[Michael]

Touches many.

[Jack Armstrong]

And if there's anything we should take from this tragedy to carry forward, I hope it can be that and not this. So why has nobody played that clip? To me, that was by far the most emotional, interesting thing that he said last night.

[Michael]

Well, they, the left, including virtually all the media, is extremely uncomfortable with Christianity. A lot of them been taught and believe that. Yeah, I've heard about Christian nationalism and that's part of the white supremacy thing, I think somehow or other. And anti LGBTQIArb over the power of 3 and the rest of it. I've heard that's a bad thing. So we probably shouldn't play that now. Every other religion on earth, including Islam, is a beautiful thing and we must protect against any sort of, you know, discrimination against those wonderful people.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you think they're just that most media outlets, it's like MSNBC played a bunch of clips this morning. They didn't play this one. If they did, I didn't see it and I watched for a long time. You think they just don't want their hero, Jimmy Kimmel to say, I'M a follower of Christ.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. He dropped a J bomb, the way I would put it.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's interesting.

[Michael]

He used a word that is not allowed on the air.

[Jack Armstrong]

I can't believe, though, he, at no point in all that blubbering and everything, said, I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have said that. I just. That's something I shouldn't have said. He couldn't do that. He couldn't bring himself to do that.

[Michael]

As Andrew Colvette, who's an executive producer of the Charlie Kirk show and a friend, he said the justification, the weaselly, weaselly way Kimmel described what he had said was not good enough. Quote Jimmy, it's simple. I'm sorry for saying the shooter was maga. He was not. He was of the left. I apologize to the Kirk family for lying. Please accept my superior sincere apology. I will do better. I was wrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

I won't even make you say the shooter was of the left. Just say he was not maga. I shouldn't have said that. And he.

[Michael]

I was wrong. Yeah. I will try to do better.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Which I think means a lot to his sincerity. I have said tons of things I wish I hadn't said. I mean, volumes of things I wish I hadn't said on this radio show, either out of being worked up or trying to make a joke that I just wish I hadn't said. And I would, if it ever became a crisis, I would say, yeah, I wish I hadn't said that. He couldn't do it last night.

[Michael]

Why? I don't regret a word I've said. By the way, every good for you chapter and verse. Absolutely gospel truth.

[Jack Armstrong]

If anything, I should have said it louder.

[Michael]

Exactly. With more vehemence. Yeah. At the same time, I despise the government getting involved. Of course it's terrible because the. The hypocrisy of the left is just stunning. In fact, you know what? On that theme, this is Jen Pasaki, 16 Michael talking about Jimmy Kimmel. And then we'll flash back to 2021 during the height of COVID The news.

[Jack Armstrong]

About Jimmy Kimmel, I think, is a pretty watershed moment.

[Cynthia Littleton]

I think we all need to be talking about.

[Jack Armstrong]

We actually. And it's not just a media story.

[Joe Getty]

I know you agree with me on this.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's not just a media story.

[Cynthia Littleton]

It's a democracy story.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a freedom of speech story.

[Joe Getty]

It's so many things.

[Michael]

We are regularly making sure social media.

[Joe Getty]

Platforms are aware of the latest narratives.

[Jack Armstrong]

You shouldn't be banned from one platform. And not others, if you.

[Michael]

For providing misinformation out there. So that is Jen Psaki after talking about KIMMEL and the First Amendment concerns, which to me are legitimate, back in 2021, from the White House briefing room, explaining that anybody who was issuing what she called misinformation or disinformation, including such madness as the COVID vaccine won't protect you from infection and children don't need it. And maybe it leaked from the Wuhan lab and on and on and on. Anybody who contradicted that should be banned. Not from one platform, but every platform. And anybody who dared say that was indeed, because of White House pressure, banned from TikTok and from. From Twitter and from Facebook and from YouTube, which just yesterday was. It came out and said, yeah, yeah, we're reinstating a bunch of accounts that we canceled, and we only did it because the White House threatened us. So to have Jen Psaki coming out, waving the First Amendment around is just disgusting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. When we've had the biggest political assassination in a half a century and Jimmy Kimmel goes on and says the opposite about who the killer was.

[Michael]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

When we're really worried about inflaming passions and causing more political violence by, you know, stoking the fires and poking the angry people. He pokes a bunch of angry people. And she doesn't count that as in the same category as the other stuff.

[Michael]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

For the record, in case it isn't obvious, I think Jimmy Kimmel should get to say what he says, and people should have been able to say whatever they wanted to say about COVID the other day. I'm listening to npr. I texted Joe right after I heard it. I couldn't believe it. They're having a context, a conversation about this. I don't remember what they're talking about in general, but anyway, the guest and the host. The guest said, now the idea that it. The. It was a lab leak that caused the COVID virus has been debunked. And the. And the host said, yeah. Mm. What?

[Michael]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that was on npr. You're kidding me. It has been debunked that Covid leaked out of the lab. And so we're still in this world of, you know, we can't have disinformation or misinformation. Today, Google restating a bunch of YouTube accounts that were forced off of YouTube by the Biden administration for saying stuff that was way more accurate than what they just said on NPR, correct?

[Michael]

Yeah, 100%. God, how saying healthy young soldiers shouldn't be drummed out of the military in these uncertain times for not wanting the COVID jab get drummed out of YouTube. It's just unfriging believable.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I don't know how we get to a. A place of more free speech. I'm a little. I'm a little worried about that one.

[Michael]

By always standing up for it. That's my only answer. And that's why I'm doing it. Jimmy Kimmel has the right to be a complete a hole.

[Jack Armstrong]

So. Well, the reason that I was saying it. You weren't here last week was it's gonna happen to Joe and I. 100 Kevin Newsom will be president. And he'll say right wing talk radio is out of control.

[Michael]

I'll see in jail. I. I will not shut up. Not at any cost will I shut up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, if they don't allow you on the radio, you mean you can talk to yourself in the parking garage? But I don't know.

[Michael]

Well, I already do that. I will find ways.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay.

[Michael]

Pirate radio, podcasts, newsletters.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, well, so, like, hardly anybody's watching Jimmy Kimmel over broadcast television anyway. And if he did get canceled, they'd put him on some sort of Hulu show. They would have had roughly the same audience and you wouldn't have silenced him at all. So he'd have got to say what he wanted to say.

[Michael]

Yeah, but the. But the executive branch should not be weighing in, of course. At all. At all. Trump is wrong on this stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Of course. And then him telling Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, to do it, and then at the attorney General using the phrase I hate the term hate speech. Hate speech should not exist as a phrase.

[Michael]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

It makes no sense.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would agree completely.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know how it was not a great moment.

[Cynthia Littleton]

No.

[Jack Armstrong]

But we're going to continue down that road. I just. I think the next Democrat president will also be in favor of this sort of thing. So frustrating.

[Michael]

Hey, Michael, do we still have that clip from back in the day when that listener. Back when we took calls, that lady said that we needed to fight it. Do we have that fight it? Or did that disappear from the system during one of those. Yeah, yeah, you can talk on my system. I have no idea why I did that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Some of our favorite clips over the decades we've been doing this have been purged for some reason. Memory space. Is that why you can buy like 2 TB for 100 bucks?

[Michael]

Can't do that. Some DB who has no idea what they're doing thinking. Yeah. And you don't need all that space.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, by the way, because that might that popped into my head. It could be a conspiracy, but somebody who hates us. Do you think somebody shut off the escalator right when Trump got off on it on purpose? I hadn't even had anything occurred to me until Hanson came in in here and yesterday he said, you think that was an accident? And then when I, when I thought about it for two seconds, hell no. There's no way. Just coincidentally, the very first step Trump makes on it, it shuts down.

[Michael]

Coin flip. I could believe either way, but I see your point.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the teleprompter doesn't work.

[Michael]

All right, now you worked for everybody else. Now you got me.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on. All right, we'll finish strong.

[Michael]

Next, Armstrong and Getty.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Trump was annoyed because when he arrived at the UN he got on an.

[Michael]

Escalator that immediately stopped working. Melania was next to him on the escalator like 239lbs my ass.

[Jack Armstrong]

I noticed he and Melania were holding hands as they have a lot lately. So whatever, if it were ever real problem they had between them seems to be better.

[Michael]

She looked fantastic, he told her. Check your contract again.

[Jack Armstrong]

You don't believe comportment. You do not believe in love.

[Michael]

That's right. Yeah, you caught me. You busted me. Speaking of Trump at the un, man, did he say some interesting things including in the aftermath of his speech saying that Ukraine could get all of its land back with the help of Europe and NATO perhaps. Which was shocking to Everybody, including, as it turns out, Volodymyr zelensky. Play me a 62, Michael. This is Zelensky on Bret Bear last.

[Jack Armstrong]

Night, a post from President Trump that he posted on Truth Social after your meeting. But in part he said this after getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine, Russia, military and economic situation and after seeing the economic trouble it is causing Russia. I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to free fight and win all of Ukraine back in its original form with time, patience and the financial support of Europe and in particular NATO. The original borders from where this war started is very much an option. Are you surprised to hear that? A little bit. A little bit.

[Michael]

I mean this. I'm sure in my, in my army that was the key part. He had had no friggin idea. Trump was about to say.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm sure he had to calculate. What should I say here?

[Michael]

Oh boy. Right. I've been well coached to not offend Trump a little bit.

[Jack Armstrong]

And Trump, Trump later in that long screed says get back all the land, maybe even more like, take some of Russia. What? This is either a major moment in a major story or we'll just kind of never hear of it again.

[Michael]

Yeah, that is definitely possible.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that is crazy.

[Michael]

Trump is so mercurial.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got a great topic for the One More Thing podcast that includes actor Matthew McConaughey and his dad who died while having sex. That'll be the topic of the One More Thing podcast, so stick around for that.

[Michael]

Matthew McConaughey's dad.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Yes. Died having sex. Yes. Which a story we've known for quite some time. He put it in his book when he wrote it. You'd forgotten?

[Michael]

I was amused. I was walking through the Houston airport recently and they have T shirts, University of Texas T shirts that just say. All right, all right, all right. Final thoughts with Armstrong.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, that's weird. Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

[Michael]

Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap up the show, starting with our technical director. He's a national treasure, folks. Michelangelo, Michael, Jack.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've been thinking about this.

[Michael]

The Golden Bachelor debuts tonight. What about if we submitted you to the Golden Bachelor?

[Jack Armstrong]

Am I old enough?

[Michael]

I'm sure you could make it.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think I'm old enough. I think you got to be 65 or older.

[Michael]

So you'd be like the Bronze Bachelor. Whatever. This could be a big moment in your career. Katie Green, our esteemed newswoman, has a final thought. Katie.

[Jack Armstrong]

Contestants for the golden bachelor can be.

[Commercial Announcer]

Between 60 and 75 years old.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, man, that's quite the age range. There's a big difference between a 60 year old and a 75 year old.

[Michael]

All of the girls that get together and say, you know, he looks like he wants to murder us. His facial expressions are terrifying. Jackie, final thought for us.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've got to stop eating so much. I've lost all my discipline that I had going for quite a while has just evaporated and I just, I can't get back on the beam. You know how sometimes you're on the beam and it almost feels effortless to not eat too much? I fell off the beam.

[Michael]

My final thought, without freedom of speech, may we be led dumb to the slaughter like sheep. George Washington stand up for free speech even when it's hypocritical, lying, unfunny, jackass. A holes. Nobody in mind in particular. Just, you know, in general.

[Jack Armstrong]

Am I right or am I wrong though? You get in a groove with like eating okay and it just seems like, oh, I can do this forever. You're just like, yeah, I got it. And then you spoke in those words out loud. Then you fall off and it just seems impossible that you were ever on.

[Michael]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.

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Yeah, you gotta have a hoodie in the fall. We will see you tomorrow. God bless America.

[Michael]

Armstrong and Getty. There's one way to to say the world has gone astray. Mushroom clouds and chuckles up is down Black is white and boys are girls it's all insane hurting our brains Mushroom.

[Jack Armstrong]

Clouds and chuckles but at least we.

[Michael]

Can laugh with Joe and Jack. The Armstrong and Getty show Armstrong and.

[Jack Armstrong]

Gettysburg.

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[Michael]

Ugh.

[Jack Armstrong]

Come on.

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[Jack Armstrong]

This thing is ancient.

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Michael]

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This is an iHeart podcast.