Stiff Arm Him Right In The Beard

Summary

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Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: Stiff Arm Him Right In The Beard
Date: September 23, 2025
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty tackle a lively range of topics blending news analysis, cultural commentary, and signature A&G banter. The episode covers the general incompetence of the United Nations, late night television's faded significance, a discussion about public safety and urban homelessness, world geopolitics concerning the Palestinian state, Tylenol/autism news, workplace discrimination controversies, the sprawling Disney corporate empire, and more. They also touch on some lighter news including Fat Bear Week, and close with commentary on societal divisions and attitudes in the workplace.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. United Nations and "Productivity"

(04:00–05:10)

• Joe declares the U.N. the “general manager” of the day for its “greatest ratio of expense to productivity in the history of mankind.”
  • "The United Nations—the greatest ratio of expense to productivity in the history of mankind." —Joe Getty (04:31)
• Jack echoes, quoting Bush calling the U.N. a “meaningless debating society.”
• Widespread skepticism is expressed about the effectiveness and purpose of the body.

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2. Late Night TV's (Ir)relevance

(05:10–06:05)

• Discussion on Jimmy Kimmel's return and why late night talk shows still generate media coverage despite low viewership.
  • "I’ll never understand why the late night talk shows get so much conversation at all... it's a hangover from when those shows mattered." —Jack Armstrong (05:25)
• Jack points out that many shows have similar or larger audiences but garner zero attention.

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3. The Street Person Moral Dilemma

(06:05–09:16)

• Jack recounts an early-morning incident: a homeless man outside his building, undecided whether to let the man in or block him.
• The crew weighs responses, from direct confrontation to subtle avoidance:
  • “I stiff arm him right in the beard,” jokes Jack on dealing with the threat physically. (08:05)
  • Joe: “Bums and junkies everywhere in America. You can have this, too. Vote Gavin Newsom in 2028.” (08:28)
• The exchange highlights the everyday anxieties urban dwellers face regarding public safety and the limits of personal responsibility.

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4. Geopolitics: Palestinian State Recognition

(09:23–11:40)

• Jack and Joe discuss Trump’s speech at the U.N. and the trend of world leaders supporting a Palestinian state—portrayed here as largely symbolic posturing meant to “punish Israel” or appease domestic constituencies.
  • "All these recognitions of a Palestinian state... is purely a gesture of disapproval toward Israel, it is purely a punishment of Israel." —Joe Getty (10:00)
• They question the sincerity and practical details of such recognitions.

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5. Mass Shooter Psychology

(11:40–12:24)

• Jack teases an insightful podcast he listened to about mass shooters and "spectacular killings," promising to dive in later.
• Joe found it equally enlightening.

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6. ChatGPT, AI, and College Students

(22:02–22:33)

• News report: ChatGPT boosted college student test scores, but writing skills suffered.
• Joe mentions a small subculture refusing AI tools in favor of “old school” learning: “they will run the world.”

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7. Workplace Discrimination and Compelled Speech

Case: Office Depot Refusal to Print Charlie Kirk Poster

(23:41–37:17)

• They contrast the firing of a copy shop worker refusing to print a Charlie Kirk memorial poster to the Colorado bakery refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding.
  • Joe details the distinction:
    • Creative acts (cakes, songs, art) can be protected speech; pressing ‘print’ on a copy machine is not.
    • "Pressing go on a copy machine is not the same as painting a portrait, writing a song, painstakingly decorating a cake." —Joe Getty (32:56)
• The hosts defend the firing, saying employment in a corporate environment brings an expectation to follow orders, not impose personal politics:
  • "I think in general, I think it should be easier to fire people. Just in general. Yeah, I don’t like, I don’t like your attitude." —Jack Armstrong (34:46)
• The conversation segues into free speech, compelled speech, and employee–employer rights.

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8. Disney's Ubiquity and Boycotts

(27:22–29:33)

• Discussion about attempts to boycott Disney due to political issues (e.g., ABC cancelling Kimmel).
• Joe remarks on how deeply entrenched Disney is in media, hospitality, and consumer life:
  • "The mouse is not a mouse. He’s an 800-pound gorilla…giant soul-crushing, just calculating corporation." —Joe Getty (29:05)
• They express grudging admiration for Disney’s ability to maintain a “family-friendly” image amidst their corporate sprawl.

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9. Miscellaneous Headlines with Commentary

(19:08–22:47)

• Kimmel’s show returns—Jack: “Oh, whoop dee doo.” (19:13)
• Iranian diplomats banned from Costco (“You can’t buy in bulk here.”), drone incidents in Denmark and Norway, Chinese threats in space, Connecticut banning first cousin marriages, and more.
• The hosts interject rapid-fire wisecracks on each.

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10. Listener Email & Audience Engagement

(46:53–49:36)

• Jack and Joe answer emails covering Jack’s “happy face” vs. “resting bitch face,” nearly being killed by a bear, Mrs. Kirk’s forgiveness of her husband’s shooter (and the political implications), and more.
• Interwoven throughout is their usual irreverent humor and self-deprecation.

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11. Fat Bear Week Returns

(45:40–46:07)

• Annual bracket-style contest to vote on the “fattest bear” returns, celebrated with mild confusion and amusement.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you’re Jimmy Kimmel, you’re dumb as a dog.” —Jack Armstrong (05:10)
• “I stiff arm him right in the beard.” —Jack Armstrong (08:05)
• “Bums and junkies everywhere in America. You can have this, too. Vote Gavin Newsom in 2028.” —Joe Getty (08:28)
• “Who flipping cares? ... Johnny Carson has passed and will not return.” —Joe Getty (05:58)
• “The mouse is not a mouse. He’s an 800-pound gorilla…giant soul-crushing, just calculating corporation.” —Joe Getty (29:05)
• “Pressing go on a copy machine is not the same as painting a portrait or writing a song.” —Joe Getty (32:56)
• “I think in general, I think it should be easier to fire people. Just in general.” —Jack Armstrong (34:46)
• “Fat Bear week. We’ll have to come up with a link for that...” —Jack Armstrong (46:00)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 04:00 – U.N. as general manager; governmental inefficiency
• 05:10 – Debating the cultural relevance of late night TV
• 06:05 – Homeless person at the office door: what’s your responsibility?
• 09:23 – World leaders and symbolic recognition of Palestinian statehood
• 11:40 – Upcoming discussion on mass shooter psychology
• 22:02 – AI, ChatGPT, and education
• 23:41 – Worker refusing to print a Charlie Kirk poster; bakery “free speech” case
• 27:22 – Disney boycotts and corporate sprawl
• 45:40 – Fat Bear Week discussed
• 46:53 – Listener emails: happy face, surviving bears, workplace jerks

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Episode Tone & Style

• Consistently irreverent, sometimes biting, with rapid banter but thoughtful and nuanced takes on current events
• Willingness to satirize both the powerful (U.N., Disney, late night hosts) and the petty (office disputes, workplace martyrs)
• Underlying skepticism of media narratives, government gestures, and over-politicization of daily life

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is classic Armstrong & Getty: a fast-moving, engaging blend of hard news, light-hearted asides, and bitterly funny cultural critique. If you want thoughtful, independent analysis with laughs and the occasional philosophical tangent, this episode delivers. Noteworthy for its spirited debates on free speech in the workplace and a wry look at both the follies of world leadership and everyday urban dilemmas.

If you love media deconstruction, debates about the practical realities of big government, and a show that isn’t afraid to call out stupidity (on all sides), “Stiff Arm Him Right In The Beard” is a must-listen.

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[Katie Green]

Broadcasting live from the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Abraham Lincoln radio studio at the George.

[Katie Green]

Washington broadcast past center Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now he had a bit of.

[Jack Armstrong]

A moral dilemma a few minutes ago. We'll have to discuss momentarily. It's early in the day, for it really is.

[Joe Getty]

Live from Studio C, Si Seor, a.

[Jack Armstrong]

Dimly lit room deeper than the bowels, the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound. And hey, y'. All. Today on a Tuesday, we're under the tutelage of our general manager.

[Joe Getty]

So many choices today. You have no idea the pressures I face. And choosing the general manager on a day like today where the smug ignoramus Jimmy Kimmel comes back to tv. You've got the whole Tylenol autism press conference yesterday, which was something else. You had all sorts of stuff going on. But we've got to go with this. Our general manager, the United nations, the greatest ratio of expense to productivity in the history of mankind.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, no kidding. As George Bush once called them, a meaningless debating society. Which pretty close to true.

[Joe Getty]

Meaningless and incredibly expensive debating society. Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

And what'd you call Kimmel? That was appropriate?

[Joe Getty]

Smug ignoramus.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's smug. Anyway.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, if you're like a Douglas Murray type. Doug is a little smug. I've been accused of smugness myself. But Douglas Murray is brilliant, absolutely brilliant. If you're Neil Ferguson, you're a little smug. Okay, I get it. I get it.

[Jack Armstrong]

If you're Jimmy Kimmel, you're dumb as a dog.

[Joe Getty]

You don't know anything about anything. You just got a few talking points you saw in Blue Sky. And yet he comes off like the master of all, you know, the subtlety of thoughts.

[Jack Armstrong]

Before I get to my dilemma, I'll never understand why the late night talk shows get so much conversation at all. I was going to try. It really is. It's a hangover from when those shows matter. I was going to try to see if chat GPT could come up with me for a list of other shows that have an audience of a million. I'LL bet there are 50 shows with an audience the same size that you've never even heard the name, let alone watch.

[Joe Getty]

That would be amusing. Yeah, I'll bet you're right because it's.

[Jack Armstrong]

Like a million people that watch each of those shows, so who flipping cares?

[Joe Getty]

I got bad news for you, America. Johnny Carson has passed and will not return. Letterman still kicking, but will not return.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. I don't know if it's a moral dilemma, if it was a courage dilemma, I don't know. But anyway, so there was a street person standing at the front door of the building when I was walking in.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that always gets your day off to still there. A good adrenaline soaked start.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, he was right there at the front door and I thought, I'm going to open the door and he's going to follow me in. Is it my job to push him back out? Do I let him walk in the building where he then has free run of the entire building? Almost certainly a crazed drug addict? I mean, what am I supposed to do here? Luckily, he turned away when I went in the door because, I don't know, his, his dog was talking to him or whatever and he got distracted. But what would, what would you do? Would you let him follow you in? I mean, it's not. Well, you're shaping your head, Michael. What would you do? I, I agree we shouldn't let him come in, but what would you do? Are you going to say, I'm sorry, sir, you can't come in like you're in charge of security.

[Joe Getty]

Do you have an appointment? I, I once asked a guy who was making it clear that he was going to follow me in because I had a key fob and he didn't, you know, prior to the crack of dawn. And I said, do you have a reason to be in the building or something like that? Yeah, I'm with the crew remodeling up on the fourth floor.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. But he probably didn't look like a crazed street person.

[Joe Getty]

Good point. Yeah, he was definitely scruffy, but kind of, you know, working man. Scruffy, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Construction guy. I would, I would I have said that to people.

[Joe Getty]

Well, and he had the look of, of you could have a conversation with. Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

This guy had the look of there's no conversation to be had.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Katie?

[Joe Getty]

You duck in and you hold the door closed until it clicks. I shoulder that magnetic thing, kicks back.

[Jack Armstrong]

In, shoulder him out. I pull the door closed and I.

[Joe Getty]

Hang on, stiff arm.

[News Reporter]

I've been in this exact situation and I walked around the building to the other door just to avoid it.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, that's not a bad idea right there. That's not a bad eye right there. I stiff arm him right in the beard.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. Snap his head back.

[Jack Armstrong]

I did the thing I often do when I approach a street person. I tapped. Okay. I do have my knife with me if I end up in a fight for my life. Cause that's just part of the world we've created where you have to semi regularly wonder, I wonder if I'm about to be in a fight for my life. Because you get to just hang around as a crazy person.

[Joe Getty]

Bums and junkies everywhere in America. You can have this, too. Vote Gavin Newsom in 2028.

[Jack Armstrong]

No kidding. All right, so Hanson, what would you do? You let him follow you in, or do you become, you know, I'm the cop and Hanson's cop all the way.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You've been spending all that time in a gym. Come on now.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's part of my job description to fight my way in the door and keep people.

[Joe Getty]

Keep junkies out. Right. Hansen suggested a leg kick to the back of the thigh. Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Sweeping leg kick. One of these. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

It's a good maneuver.

[Jack Armstrong]

See, I had to let him in and put in a.

[Joe Getty]

Put him in a competing radio station. So just.

[Jack Armstrong]

There you go. Put him in the other studio.

[Joe Getty]

I told him, here, press that button that turns the mic on. Have fun.

[Jack Armstrong]

The breathe, the breeze is down the hall. Go in there and say whatever you want to those people. Yeah, I don't know. I probably wouldn't have let him fall. Follow me in, just out of my own safety. But. Right, so that's enough of that. Trump is speaking at the UN today. Who knows what he will say? And if it makes any difference whatsoever, I don't think it's good news that all these countries have joined in with. There needs to be a Palestinian state. It certainly gives Israel less cover in coming days, months and years, anytime they're trying to do anything. If the whole world says, hey, there's supposed to be a country there.

[Joe Getty]

Right. I read some great analysis. I wish I'd come up with this myself, but it made it clear that all of these recognitions of the Palestinian state, whatever the hell that means, is purely a gesture of disapproval toward Israel, it is purely a punishment of Israel because the Macrones of the world, the Keir Starmers, whatever half wit is in charge of Canada right now, they know there's no Palestinian state and aren't going to be. It is a truly and merely symbolic gesture.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'd say so. Like all the questions you had yesterday. Okay, what are the boundaries? What's the government?

[Joe Getty]

What are their laws? Tell me about this Palestinian state of yours.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well. Well, when do you suggest it starts?

[Joe Getty]

Well, right. Yeah. And it's more than a little disturbing that world leaders, including our feckless allies, engage in that sort of foolishness. Aren't there, you know, I'm asking the good folks, aren't there enough real problems out there without people engaging in that sort of useless cynical symbolism? Well, part of it is just to buy off their own Muslim populations and their own progressive left just to try to neutralize that to whatever extent they can. But I tell you what, you know, whether in life or in politics, you compromise your principles to buy off, you know, one constituency or another enough. And you end up with no principles.

[Jack Armstrong]

A little bit later. I took in a podcast yesterday with a person who is an expert and written a book about your mass shooters assassin type people that do the high profile spectacular killings of themselves and others. And for what it's worth, I ran.

[Joe Getty]

Into the same thing. I found it fascinating.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I'd say so. So we'll take a look at that. Fits in with, you know, some of the events that have happened in recent weeks.

[Joe Getty]

Absolutely. Yeah. I'm anxious to hear your, your favorite parts of it or the most intriguing parts to you because again, I thought it was super insightful.

[Jack Armstrong]

And there's one other thing I wanted to tease. I don't remember. It was Keith Olbermann's an a hole. But. But that's not really new news.

[Joe Getty]

No, that's not a tease.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do you see what he said yesterday? In addition to what he said last week, Keith Olbermann used to have a very highly rated show on msnbc. Okay, we'll get into that more later. The the biggest carrier of Kimmel affiliates says they're not going to air Kimmel the Second. Hasn't made a choice yet.

[Joe Getty]

Hasn't publicized that choice yet.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hasn't publicized it. That's an excellent distinction. But. So we'll see how that plays out throughout the day. Lots of stuff on the way. Katie's headlines on the way. Next, here's our text line. 415295 KFTC.

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I don't know if I'm stealing a headline from you, Katie. This is breaking news. Swatting hoaxes have led Secret service agencies to 300 servers capable of crippling New York City's cell phone system. That news is just breaking. That sounds pretty damned interesting to me.

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Oh boy. Well, that's super great. I'm in the process of shipping all my guitars to my son in case I die in FCC prison because you failed to officially start the show.

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Way to go, Jack.

[Joe Getty]

Last segment.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, thanks a lot.

[Joe Getty]

Good stuff. FCC is on the war path and you jab him in the eye. You want me to willing to jab the junkie in the eye but you jab stab the FCC in the eye and the show. Yeah. Katie open to start a family and she's going to be in FCC jail.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think only I go to prison so I think you're on the off the hook.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, we'll testify against you.

[Jack Armstrong]

We could do it now. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Jo Getty on this. It is Tuesday, September 23rd, the year 2025. We're Armstrong and Getty and we approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

All right, let's begin the show officially according to FCC rules regs at. Mark.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Brian, please.

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Medical professionals have.

[Jack Armstrong]

No, no. I said no. Not you cnn. You fake news. Go ahead, Brian.

[Joe Getty]

I want to go back to all.

[Jack Armstrong]

There you go. As part of the press conference yesterday around Tylenol, I think and that big announcement. We'll play a little bit of that Trump says, don't take it. It's not worth the risk. Even if RFK Jr said, well, in these specific circumstances, you shouldn't take it. And Trump said, I don't see why the point of taking the risk because Trump's like an anti. He doesn't take. He doesn't. No caffeine, no booze, no smoking. I don't think he takes medicine either. If he can avoid it. It's one of those people.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah.

[News Reporter]

McDonald's.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just McDonald's. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Health nut. Yeah. All of his advisors behind him were like, we didn't say that. That. No. Oh, boy. What about the Tylenol thing? All right. What? I think it'll come and go. Well, I don't know. We can talk about it later. There will be a fair number of women who are afraid to take any acetaminophen product during pregnancy because of that. Consult your doctor. Tough it out.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's what he said. Tough it out.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy. It's not quite. Anyway, let's figure out who's reporting what. It's the lead story with Katie Green. Katie.

[News Reporter]

Alrighty, guys. Starting with the New York Times Jimmy Kimmel show to return to ABC tonight.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, whoop dee doo.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, America rejoices. You know, it's like Trump lashed out at cnn. Speaking of things that have no real significance anymore.

[Jack Armstrong]

Lash out at them.

[Joe Getty]

Don't like swatting a mosquito.

[News Reporter]

Speaking of CNN from cnn, US Is blocking Iranian diplomats in the United States from shopping at Costco.

[Jack Armstrong]

There you go.

[Joe Getty]

Right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Huh?

[Joe Getty]

That's right.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're going to have to pay. You get. You can't buy in bulk air. Right, Right.

[Joe Getty]

You call me the Great Satan. You can't shop in our savior. Stupendous superstores.

[News Reporter]

Take that from the Washington Post. Drone flights shut down airports in Denmark and Norway as anxiety over Russia soars.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Like big, nasty military. Well, piloted drones. A couple of major airports in northern Europe.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, I didn't know that. Okay.

[Joe Getty]

That's a heck of a story from NBC.

[News Reporter]

Trump to address UN as divisions without allies deepen over Palestinian statehood.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, boy. For all the attention that that's going to get today, that question of Russia pushing NATO further and further every day, that's. That's the. Where the decision needs to be made. That's where they need to get together in corners and figure out what they're going to do.

[Joe Getty]

And I still maintain that most of these statements of solidarity with the Palestinian state are just trying to buy off the Muslim populations and the progressive left in the various countries. England, France, Canada, whatever.

[News Reporter]

From USA Today, White House says tick tock reaches deal to keep operating in United States under American ownership.

[Joe Getty]

Okay?

[Jack Armstrong]

It's all about the algorithm. Is the algorithm going to be the same or not?

[News Reporter]

From the Washington Times, Intelligence chief warns of Chinese threats in space. Their modernization pace is alarming.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, boy. What are you trying to do to me today? Give me a heart attack?

[Joe Getty]

China attacking on every front it can think of. Wake up, America. Wake up and smell the soy sauce.

[News Reporter]

From the New York Post, Connecticut to ban first cousin marriages, which are still legal in at least 16 states.

[Joe Getty]

You know, nobody's getting married at all or having sex, so go ahead.

[Jack Armstrong]

Even second cousins aren't getting married. I. I'm gonna have to dig into that. Send me that story, Katie, because I'm just curious as to why. Why now? Why did Connecticut all of a sudden to say, damn it, that's it?

[Joe Getty]

Well, maybe they're looking at birth rates and thinking, you know, unless it's clearly a horrible idea, let's just. Let's not put up any barriers to families.

[News Reporter]

Starting from study finds, college students, test scores soared after ChatGPT. Their writing, not so much.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, that's pretty interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I was reading about a subculture of college students. High school students, too, are refused to use it at all. They insist on learning the old school way, and they're taking on a hell of a challenge. They're a fairly small minority, I guess, but they will run the world.

[News Reporter]

And finally, from the Babylon Bee, more winning Trump orders, bombing of ship, smuggling 30,000 kilos of pumpkin spice into the United States.

[Joe Getty]

Standing up for Americans against that bully.

[News Reporter]

I have it out for that flavor right now. I can't. It's everywhere, and it's driving me crazy already.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, so you mentioned in Chat GPT, I was big on that for a while, and I still am. So I've got Chat GPT, Claude and Grok. Now that I compare every question with. I should get Gemini I on there and see who I like the best. Because one of my favorite pundits said they like Claude the best, so I was trying that out. They are all subtly different. They're definitely different around copyright stuff. Like, I was doing some research on art that I was talking to somebody about last night, and a couple of them will not give you the image. I'm sorry, that's copyrighted. We can't show you that. Whereas Chat GPT is like, yeah, here's eight different versions. So I'm, you know, that. Just. Just shows you how there's the the rules are all over the place on this stuff.

[Joe Getty]

I'm a computer. I don't need a lawyer. I'll show you anything you want. Yeah, speaking of which, the copy shop employee you refused to print a Charlie Kirk poster and got fired. Isn't that just like the Denver baker who wouldn't make gay cupcakes or what have you. We've had people emailing about that. I would love to talk about that. Why it is different.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, cool. Well we'll do that next and a whole bunch of other stuff. It's gonna be a pretty big news day so hope you can stick around.

[Katie Green]

Armstrong and get.

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[Jack Armstrong]

That campaign that you all launched pretending that you were gonna cancel Hulu while secretly ren through four seasons of Only Murders in the Building.

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I really won't.

[Jack Armstrong]

Congratulations. Wasn't it interesting to try and figure out all the tentacles Disney has in your daily life?

[Commercial Announcer 2]

It's one thing to swear off cruises, but the Avengers?

[Jack Armstrong]

Nah. How is it possible that by getting rid of one company, I can't watch Winnie the Pooh or Monday Night Football? That is pretty funny when you think about, oh, I'm gonna boycott Disney. Oh, are you? Have you looked into what that means?

[Joe Getty]

Right? Why were they gonna boycott Disney?

[Jack Armstrong]

Because ABC canceled Kim Low.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, right.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. That was the hottest story among that crowd for the last week. So people were so you're gonna cancel your Hulu, your Disney trip, not watch the Avengers or Monday Night Football or. Yeah, that's his point.

[Joe Getty]

You got a boycott Disney. A tiny flash in a stupid pan. You know, you probably don't remember this. A couple years ago I came across a really good comprehensive chart, I guess it was of of Disney Corporation and its holdings. And as I was describing at the time, it makes Exxon or GM look like your corner coffee shop. It is all the stuff, you know, lots of media stuff as Jon Stewart was pointing out that you didn't realize. Hotels all in conference centers all over the world branded Disney and many not branded Disney Manufacturing, accounting, processing just like they have their the mouse is not a mouse. He's an 800 pound gorilla giant soul crushing, just calculating corporation. The fact that they've still got the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Image of ah, it's the happiest place on earth come with your smiling kids.

[Joe Getty]

Is really quite an accomplishment. You almost have to admire it.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's right. I'm a pretty big effing deal. Move out of the way. I'll crush you like I crushed Goofy. You don't hear much from him anymore, do you? Put his head in a vice. I got a follow up on the banning marriages among first cousins in Connecticut. Got a follow up on that story.

[Joe Getty]

Didn't see that coming.

[Jack Armstrong]

One angle of the controversy that actually makes sense to me. Why would you ban gay first cousins from getting married? It's all about the having kids. So I can't. A couple of dudes who are first cousins who fall in love with each other a little weird decide to get married.

[Joe Getty]

Why not make Thanksgiving dinner a little uncomfortable?

[Jack Armstrong]

That's where the controversy comes in. So anyway, more on that and a whole bunch of other stuff later.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Okay. So speaking of controversies, I found this very interesting, particularly because we got a couple of emails asking about it. You remember the Colorado bake shop who refused to make a gate for a gay wedding? And. And there have been a couple other.

[Jack Armstrong]

Cases like it was a giant Supreme Court ruling.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And which they rule that he, he.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could say no to making the cake.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I'm getting to that. It was made a huge cause by the left who was screaming, no, it's discrimination. And what the Supreme Court decided quite correctly, in my opinion. And I don't have the decisions in front of me, so forgive me if my paraphrasing is a little off actual attorneys, but if you are asking somebody to engage in create the creative arts, an act of cell of expression and creation as opposed to say, pressing go on a copy machine, they cannot be compelled to engage in that speech because compelled speech is as bad as censored speech. So you cannot force me to write a song or. Well, you cannot compel me to agree to write a song. Zoran Mum Donmi will save New York. I won't do it. I won't take money for it. I won't create that. And that's good because the first amendment protects you against compelled speech.

[Jack Armstrong]

But you couldn't say, I won't sell you this cardboard to make signs because that's a commodity.

[Joe Getty]

That's not a creative expression. So you got this case in Kalamazoo, Michigan, one of our more amusingly named cities in America. Kalamazoo. Here's this 21 year old dude, he's the head of the Kalamazoo Young Republicans. He's running errands, getting ready for a vigil honoring Charlie Kirk. One of his stops was at his local Office Depot to Print a poster that was a picture of Charlie in black and white and said the legendary Charlie Kirk 1993-2025. And some folks there at the Home Depot refused to print it it calling it propaganda. Okay, so two. And Home Depot fired the employees initiative public apology. So there are two levels of. Of two questions here. One is the First Amendment.

[Jack Armstrong]

They did. I'm sure they thought, hey, just. If somebody comes in and wants to make, just make the freaking copy and send them out the door. You freaking.

[Joe Getty]

Nobody cares what you think, including me. I think you ought to go. Go. So anyway, there's two. Two questions here. The first one is the first amendment question, which I think I've more or less dealt with. Pressing go on a copy machine is not the same as painting a portrait, writing a song, painstakingly decorating a cake, which is an artistic expression. And the second question is, and there are people on the left saying, oh, you conservatives, you're defending the baker, blah, blah, blah. But no, these poor guys are getting fired from the Home Depot. No, the second question is, does a giant corporation, must they employ jackasses who will say, I'm not hitting go on this printer because I don't like your politics. It's a completely different question. I would suggest that a bakery that's not. Not a. Owned and operated by the cake decorator, but if it's some big industrial bakery, I'm working for one of the big grocery stores that also does cake decorate. Costco does, don't they? Anyway, if I'm a cake decorator for Costco and I say, well, sorry, not going to decorate that cake for gay fellas. Costco has every right to say, well, that's. We do here and you work for us, so goobye. And then you can go ahead and start your own business where you can make that choice, but there's a difference between making it for yourself and making it for your employer. And you don't want to live in a world where, you know, either one of those things doesn't apply.

[Jack Armstrong]

So I couldn't.

[Joe Getty]

By the way, you got a job at Office Depot. It's not like you're the shortstop for the Yankees. You know, there are other jobs out there. Go somewhere they love you at. Get out of here.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I think in general, I think it should be easier to fire people. Just in general. Yeah, I don't like, I don't like your attitude. You shouldn't have to like, document it over six months and whatever.

[Joe Getty]

That's a, that's a perfectly reasonable reason. To get rid of people don't like around here.

[Jack Armstrong]

It just didn't. It makes the workplace on front.

[Joe Getty]

You're hard to work with.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

You raise our stress and your lower productivity. Goodbye.

[Jack Armstrong]

But anywho. So I couldn't like just not like it's a wedding cake. I'm not decorating at all. I'd say I'm not selling a wedding cake to you with your gay marriage. You can't do that. That right little individual. I'm a one man cake shop.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. That's a commodity. It's not a creative expression.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. So that's the. That's because people always use the example of not serving black people at a soda counter or whatever.

[Joe Getty]

Right? Yeah, exactly. Now you might pour that soda with love and dedication, but it's not a creative expression. It's different. And again, it's protecting the preciousness of free speech, which is something of my many jihads. That's right at the top. Which is why I'm. If you vocally harshly critical of what the Trump administration is doing right now. I don't like it.

[Jack Armstrong]

There needs to be. It's like we've talked about. There needs to be something called super guilty where it's just like you're so incredibly obviously guilty in so many different ways. Just like let's skip the trial and execute you. I mean it's super guilty. There needs to be super a hole or something like that. The sort of person who would refuse to print some up with Charlie Kirk poster. You're just a jerk. I don't want you around anything. I don't want you involved in my kids little league. I don't want you in my neighborhood. I just. You're just an a hole.

[Joe Getty]

Yes. And there are a lot of them these days. And. And here's another great way to look at what I was describing before. If that person, the aforementioned a hole, according to Mr. Armstrong were to say to the guy printing the Charlie Kirk poster, okay, I'll print it for you. But I hated Charlie Kirk and I think your politics suck. You have a 100% ironclad First Amendment right to say that. And Home Depot should fire you on the spot.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Because Home Depot is not the federal government. They're your employer.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I wouldn't want them as an employee. Well, let's switch it around because too many people in our audience agree with this. If I work somewhere and somebody is coming in and mom dummy is a good idea, they got their big mom dummy poster. I don't get to say no. I don't like mom, dummy. So I'm not printing your poster. We're gonna. I mean, that's ridiculous.

[Joe Getty]

I might say he's a commie scumbag who's gonna ruin New York. Thank you for your business. But then when my boss came to me and said, hey, Mouthy McMoutherson, I need you to see me in my office. Hey, did you can't come as a shock, but what about free speech? I would say as an ignoramus.

[Jack Armstrong]

Hey, Jimmy, no skills. How about you just do what you're told until you develop some skills?

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[Jack Armstrong]

Sort of person that part of your job description is pressing print on a copier and you're making big decisions. I mean, I mean, and I've had no skilled jobs. I was sorting nails at a big hardware store when I was a college graduate for a while. All right, that's about a low a skill job as you get. And I should have had no role in making any decisions on behalf of the corporation. As a guy who brought to the company the skill of telling a big nail from a small nail and putting.

[Joe Getty]

Them in different piles. Yeah. Literally trained monkey work. Yes. Which I have done myself, trust me. Right, right, right. What was I going to say? It seemed important at the time. Trained monkeys, nails, the constitution.

[Jack Armstrong]

You could train a monkey to short nails. Probably be better at it.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, I know what I was gonna say. Well, it would certainly, you know, if you gave it a banana every now and again or some grapes, it'd probably be happy as can be the generation or the sort of person who is so emotional about their political beliefs and so convinced that anybody who would print a Charlie Kirk poster is a monster. And to be opposed is a very progressive thing. It's more common on the progressive side, I think, than the conservative side. Although there certainly have known plenty of fairly obligerent conservatives who'd say what they they thought. But that idea that, look, there's somebody who disagrees with me, I can't stand it. I just don't get that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, we need to move away from that. I mean, you're talking about people on both sides. How about we stop doing that?

[Joe Getty]

And you know, what Charlie Kirk might even say is he'd print it and say, you know, I find this character to be divisive. And some stuff he said was like borderline hateful to me. Why do you like him? And not in a attacking way, but a curious way even. Although I'd prefer you not do it on company time here at the Home Depot. The paperclips need sorting and it's Jack's day off.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bosa's out for the season. What? Nick Bosa. He's out for the season. Superstar San Francisco 49ers, first place, undefeated 49ers. He's out for the season with a torn ACL.

[Joe Getty]

That sucks.

[Jack Armstrong]

God dang it. That's the worst part of the NFL. I mean, the NFL's got a lot going for it. It's number one sport by far. But the worst part of it is so many of the good players get hurt.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

God dang it, that sucks. Anyway, we got email on the way and a whole bunch of other different topics to get to. Yeah, Jimmy Kimmel is going to be back on the air tonight. That's going to be hard to take. He's going to be so self satisfied and smug all of the.

[Joe Getty]

What sort of apology did they brow beat him into making. That'll be interesting.

[Jack Armstrong]

Says he's not making one right?

[Joe Getty]

Do you think he'll cry?

[Jack Armstrong]

The news was yesterday he said he is not part of the agreement was he is not going to apologize.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Okay. Well, keep in mind this is utterly insignificant.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, stay tuned.

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[Jack Armstrong]

I kind of remember this from last year, Fat Bear week where there some website has a couple of fat bears and you vote on them and then that bear goes on to in the bracket to face the next fat bear that people like and people vote on it. Fat. Do you remember that from last year?

[Joe Getty]

I kind of was a full year ago. Yeah. Or maybe it seems more recent because didn't like last year's champion croak or something.

[Jack Armstrong]

I do not know this. I did not know this. Fat Bear week. We'll have to come up with a link for that so you can get.

[Joe Getty]

Involved if you'd like. Yes. Here's your freedom loving code of the day for morewell. I'll go with this one. The planting of a tree, especially one of the long living hardwood trees, is a gift which you can make to posterity at almost no cost and with almost no trouble. And if the tree takes root, it will far outlive the visible effect of any of your other actions, good or evil. It's an interesting thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was walking through the forest on our big hike over the weekend in Redwood Forest here in Northern California. And you know those trees are hundreds of years old. They're, they're, they were growing when George Washington was president. It's just a stunning thought putting things in perspective.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I've heard the planting of trees that will be enjoyed long after you're gone as a, it's a great metaphor for being a good citizen. Voting for things and policies are like planting those trees. I mean the opposite would be, I don't know, spending your children and grandchildren into oblivion. That would be the opposite of the good thing to do. Oh boy. Oh, I'm sorry. That was discouraging. I'm discouraged. You're discouraged. Everybody's discouraged. I apologize. Mailbag let's see. [e-mail] is the email address. A lot of short emails today, Sean. Guys, that social media is called Blue Sky. I figured it was pronounced Blue Ski like Ruski during the Cold War. Feels like a better fit. And I don't think they disagree with the implication. Blueski. Let's see. This is David talking about how bad network news is then. We heard plenty about Jackie the Bear. Joe, how'd you do at your golf club tournament? Just fine. Played fine, had a great time, sold friends, enjoyed the beauty of Monterey, California. Ate too much, drank too much. It was fantastic.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm nearly killed by a bear. And you equate that with how was Joe's golf round?

[Joe Getty]

Yes, that's correct. Let's see, Sheila writes, Jack was sharing with us his efforts to get rid of his RBF and replace it with his new, heavily practiced happy face.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, and I do it all the time. Constantly.

[Joe Getty]

Now recalling how Davy Crockett famously grinned down a bar, I'm wondering why Jack didn't just fire up his new happy face and attempt to grin down that bear. Yeah, it's a good question, Sheila.

[Jack Armstrong]

I wasn't exactly sure what to do, but I, I was not sticking my head out of that tent flap.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, no, no, scribe. You know, 10 isn't much of a barrier, but at least the bear doesn't know where to swing its mighty claws. Right? If you're inside the tent. Yeah. What a chilling moment on the top.

[Jack Armstrong]

My underwear too. I can't fight a bear in my underwear.

[Joe Getty]

It's undignified. Right? On the topic of young Erica Kirk, do you think Mrs. Kirk for giving that man who shot her husband paves the way for Utah to not seek the death penalty? No, absolutely not. I feel her near future will be on the Vance Kirk presidential ticket. That's an interesting thought.

[Jack Armstrong]

She may have no interest in that.

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[Jack Armstrong]

God, he's going to be hard to take and I'm not going to watch it tonight, but the clips are going to be everywhere by the self satisfied media that feels like this is a blow against Trump. All right, whatever. We got a lot more on the way. If you miss it, get the podcast. Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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