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- [00:01]
Jack Armstrong
All right, we're all set for the party. I've trimmed the tree, hung the mistletoe, and paired all those weird shaped knives and forks with the appropriate cheeses. And I plugged in the Partisan Partisan. It's a home cocktail maker that makes over 60 premium cocktails, plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites too. I just got it for 50 off, so how about a Cosmopolitan or a Mistletoe Margarita?
- [00:21]
Joe Getty
I'm thirsty. Watch.
- [00:22]
Jack Armstrong
I just pop in a capsule, choose my strength and wow.
- [00:26]
Craig Gotwals
Beginning to feel more seasonal in here already.
- [00:28]
Jack Armstrong
If your holiday party doesn't have a bartender, then you become the bartender. Unless you've got a Bartesian because Bartesian crafts every cocktail perfectly in as little as 30 seconds. And I just got it for $50 off.
- [00:40]
Dan Snow
Tis the season to be jollier.
- [00:44]
Craig Gotwals
Add some holiday flavor to every celebration with the sleek, sophisticated home cocktail maker Bartesian. Get $50 off any cocktail maker@bartisian.com cocktail that's B A R T E S I N.
- [01:00]
Mike Bagley
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- [01:33]
Craig Gotwals
The green flag is in the air.
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Joe Getty
And we are underway.
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Craig Gotwals
The Great American Race. The Motor Racing Network, NASCAR Cup, Xfinity and Craftsman Truck Series racing live on your hometown radio station and MRN or NASCAR.com Martinsville, Talladega, the Chicago street course. We have the side by side action.
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Mike Bagley
And last lap passes for the win.
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Craig Gotwals
Photo finishes Ryan Blaney will win the Voice of nascar, the Motor Racing Network.
- [02:01]
Bill Burr
History has made this world of ours History is the reason I'm talking to in English from a place called the UK with its castles, its warm beer and cricket. It's why the United States doesn't have King Charles and its currency, but Canada does. I'm Dan Snow and I host Dan Snow's History hit podcast. If you want to know the origin stories of the cities we inhabit, why we've always been drawn dictators, or the long history of what's going on in the Middle east, we've got you covered. Learn about the past and understand our world today. Listen to Dan Snow's history hit wherever you get your podcasts.
- [02:33]
Craig Gotwals
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Jack Armstrong
Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Craig Gotwals
Armstrong and Getty. And now he Armstrong and Getty. The recent assassination of the healthcare CEO is caused a number of people to display their true colors, including one Elizabeth Warren. Stop and think overall about the social contract. You know, part of the deal in how we've kept this, this democracy economy, this country on a fairly steady path for more than 200 years has been that those at the top pay a little more in taxes pay are a little less rich than they otherwise might be. And everybody else at least gets a chance. Yeah. What and what happens when you turn into the billionaires run it all is they get the opportunity to squeeze every last penny. And look, we'll say it over and over. Violence is never the answer. This guy gets a trial who's allegedly killed the CEO of UnitedHealth. But you can only push people so far and then they start to take matters into their own hands. Yeah.
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Joe Getty
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just doing the tomahawk chop.
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Craig Gotwals
How in the world does she keep getting elected? Elizabeth Warren? So let's talk about the murder of the healthcare CEO. The reaction to it in all matters. Healthcare with Craig Got walls. Craig, the healthcare guru, attorney at law, benefit consultant, Benefit revolution, and good longtime friend of the Ang Show. Craig, how are you, sir?
- [04:50]
Dan Snow
I'm great, gentlemen. Thank you much for having me on.
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Joe Getty
First of all, Joe and I went with humor around the fact that she's a pretend Indian and glossed over how outrageous that is. What? There was so much wrong with that at every level anyway.
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Craig Gotwals
Now, Craig is you as a person who is immersed in the world of benefits in health care and insurance and that sort of thing, and a person of good conscience, et cetera, and a student of the media. What's your reaction been to the murder and the ensuing discussion? I know you've probably got A million things to say.
- [05:26]
Dan Snow
Yeah, I think the oversimplified reaction I would give is, you know, just the assumption that, like, I just don't even engage in the whole concept and the idea of, you know, it's appropriate to slaughter people in the streets, one individual, because you don't like what a whole industry is doing. I mean, obviously it's the most insane, ridiculous, murderous, horrific way you would ever address any issue. And so, of course, I say, I think, guys, I think a lot of what you're seeing out there is sort of like you've said in the past, you know, like you're frustrated at something, you're angry at something. And part of humor is the dark sort of stuff that you're not willing to say out loud. And I think a lot of what we're seeing online is probably that just the irreverent attempts at humor, but obviously this isn't the way to address the matter. I mean, we've created this government corporate alliance in healthcare that has just bullied the American people for really, for 60 years, but most intensely for 30 years. And so you just have tremendous frustration out there. And a lot of people just don't even really understand where they should channel frustration. So a lot of the. A lot of the frustration channeling, if you will, is falling along party lines like everything else in our world. So some people blame the government, some people blame private equity and large corporations. And I'm here to tell you there's plenty of blame to go around.
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Craig Gotwals
Yeah, the one thing that's frustrated me, frustrated me, and maybe you've heard us hammer on it, is that all these people who are howling about the greed of the healthcare companies, the insurance companies and all, they never mentioned the unholy nexus with government and how Obamacare in particular, just utterly pervert, perverted the industry.
- [07:04]
Dan Snow
Yes, it's funny you bring that up. I was thinking of, you know, that the book that is cited, you know, he had words written on the bullets, and a lot of people jumped on the book. Delay Defend. Excuse me, Delay, Deny Defend by Jay Feynman was the book. That book was written in 2010. So the reality is, if there ever was a time when large insurance companies were financially, economically motivated to deny claims systematically, that may have existed prior to 2010. Now, there's a whole other economic argument that it's bad for the insurance industry if claims don't grow. They want claims to grow because that's how they charge more premium. But set that aside. If you accept the fact that, okay, before 2010, they wanted to deny claims right to keep more money. That all changed with Obamacare, because as a reminder for your listeners, Obamacare coming into law in March of 2010 specifically said, okay, now there's price controls. Now, an insurance company may only keep 15% more than claims. So what that means is when you add up all the medical claims in a given year, the insurance company is allowed to keep 15% of that for its profit and overhead. So everything flipped with Obamacare. The whole incentive to keep costs down went away. And insurance companies very quickly realized in 2010, oh, my God, we need claims to grow because that's the only way we can charge more premium. So it's funny that a lot of this is going like you guys talk about. When you hear the mainstream media talk about radio, it's way more wrong than it's right. That's what's going on here, is everybody's talking about this book that was written in 2010 that spoke about a landscape that just doesn't even exist anymore.
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Joe Getty
Well, that's interesting. And then in his manifesto, he talked about how we have the worst life expectancy of any first world country or whatever. And then I heard that broken down yesterday on how there's a number of reasons why that's inaccurate. We count a life expectancy different than a lot of people that put out their data around childhood deaths in the first year. We also are the only country on the list where people drive a lot and we have a lot of deaths from automobiles. And then we have a certain segment of society that's constantly shooting each other. If you take all those out, our life expectancy is pretty good and it's got nothing to do. None of those things have anything to do with health insurance.
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Dan Snow
No, you're exactly right, Jack.
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Craig Gotwals
In fact, fentanyl has nothing to do with the level of my deductibles.
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Joe Getty
Right.
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Craig Gotwals
Yeah. Yeah, go ahead, Craig.
- [09:33]
Dan Snow
Yeah, no, no, no, I was just gonna say. And then if there's, if there is, I would just say, you know, being inside of the healthcare industry and understanding all of the various landmines in this world. If there is one thing we have gotten incredibly good at as a society, it's keeping people along who have acute conditions, gunshot wounds, you know, heart attack, putting stents in, addressing strokes right away. Where our healthcare system is at addressing acute issues, we're horrible at addressing chronic conditions.
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Craig Gotwals
Yeah, yeah. Well, I'd like to hear more about that maybe next segment. Can you give folks a three to four minute, whatever you think is appropriate, little primer for people who are not hip to this, the relationship between government paid health care services and what they pay to doctors and hospitals and stuff, and those of us with private insurance and how Congress has handled the whole thing.
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Dan Snow
Yeah, so this, this started all the way back in the late 90s. It started, it started with Clinton. Bush kicked the can down the road. Obama kicked the can down the road. Every, every president's guilty of this issue. But what happened starting in the 90s was medical inflation. Like true inflation, what hospitals and doctors needed to treat you was going up faster than Medicare and Medicaid, which is, you know, when we talk about government healthcare, it's overwhelmingly Medicare and Medicaid inflation was going up faster than Medicare and Medicaid could handle. So one of the ways that the government. And we're talking Congress, right, we're talking our legislature, one of the ways they would pass these massive boondoggle laws was to say, well, you know, there's a huge part of our budget that's killing us is Medicare, Medicaid. So what they would say is, well, we're going to start reducing what we pay on Medicare and Medicaid. We're going to, we're going to, you know, reduce the increase or have no increase at all for Medicare and Medicaid. And that's how we're going to fund whatever pet project we're trying to fund in our district. And that started occurring in the 90s, and it just kept getting kicked down the road all the way along to the point where Medicare and Medicaid payments have not kept up with true medical inflation. So what happens then is employer plans, what we call corporate plans, for the roughly the third of us who are getting our healthcare at work, we have to pay many times, 3, 4, 5, 6 times what Medicare would pay for a certain claim to make up for the fact that the large hospital chains want a larger reimbursement for those medical claims. So there's been this insidious cost shift, a wink and a nod between Wall street and K Street, the lobbyists and of course Congress that has said, look, we'll keep the Medicare reimbursements artificially low at like 1% increase per year. And then that gives you the green light insurance industry to go ahead and charge 7, 8, 9, 10% more every year to the private marketplace to pay for this healthcare, to the point now where you just have this ridiculous, absurd situation where employers are paying three to six times what they should be for healthcare because Medicare didn't keep up with the actual cost increases.
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Craig Gotwals
And Then Congress found a way to compel doctors and hospitals to see Medicare and Medicaid patients, even though they were getting grossly underpaid for their services.
- [12:42]
Dan Snow
Well, compel. There's still. No, there's no compel there. You can still actually find individual doctors that won't take Medicare and Medicaid, but it's still incredibly rare because there's this. Well, a. It's the largest customer. The federal government is now the largest customer of every healthcare system. So I'm not sure there is a hospital out there that doesn't take Medicare and Medicaid. There are individual doctors that don't. But there's a. You can't live on the one third that are paying private rates. You still have to take that Medicare.
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Joe Getty
Amount, that number that you just hit us with. Only a third of us are having the like traditional kind of. We got our insurance through our company at work. Only a third of us.
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Dan Snow
Well, I should, Yeah, I should be more specific with that, Jack. It's probably closer to 40%. I'm falling back on the statistic that we've talked about on your show before, and that's that 70% of healthcare is now paid for by the taxpayers. Because when you, when you add up Medicare, Medicaid, va, you know, all of the community care programs and then you even add up all of the federal and state workers, taxpayers pay about 70%. So about 30% of healthcare is paid for by private individuals, but probably more like 40% are actually getting their healthcare at work. But you know, some of us work for cities and states and governments, et cetera. It's always way more complicated than you hear.
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Joe Getty
Of course. Of course.
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Craig Gotwals
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Dan Snow
One of the things, one of the things we hit on. Hold on, I want to hit this, Joe, real quick, if you don't mind. You mentioned recently that we talked about was. And this. And I pulled the stat because I knew it blew your mind when we spoke about it privately. About 100 million Americans, roughly 30% of us, are on a self funded health care plan, meaning the person paying the claims behind the scene is your employer, not the insurance company. They might be using UnitedHealthcare as an example to administer the claims, to actually process the stuff. But the claims themselves, for roughly one third of Americans, 30%, is actually paid for by your employer.
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Joe Getty
Nobody knows that.
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Dan Snow
People just don't understand that.
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Joe Getty
I didn't know that till you told me.
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Dan Snow
Right, right. People don't understand it at all.
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Joe Getty
So when you get turned down, oftentimes it's your company that you work for hiding behind the healthcare company.
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Dan Snow
Exactly right. One out of three. And then how do you know? Well, if you work for an employer that has more than 1,000 employees, you're almost certainly on a self funded health plan because people don't insure groups that large. Now, if you have an employer that's between 500 and 1,000 employees, it's probably 50, 50 that you're on a self funded health plan. If you work for a small employer, it is the insurance company. Anything under like 250 for sure. It's the insurance company almost always.
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Craig Gotwals
You know, I'd love to chat a little bit about solutions. Can we take a quick break and come back and chat a little more? Correct.
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Dan Snow
Absolutely.
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Craig Gotwals
Yeah.
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Joe Getty
I got one more question too, man. Why is it. Why is it got to be so complicated? Or maybe being complicated is the point. Stay tuned.
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
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Craig Gotwals
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Craig Gotwals
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Joe Getty
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Craig Gotwals
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- [16:33]
Jack Armstrong
All right, we're all set for the party. I've trimmed the tree, hung the mistletoe, and paired all those weird shaped knives and forks with the appropriate cheeses. And I plugged in the Partisan Partisan. It's a home cocktail maker that makes over over 60 premium cocktails, plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites too. I just got it for 50 off, so how about a Cosmopolitan or a mistletoe margarita?
- [16:53]
Joe Getty
I'm thirsty. Watch.
- [16:55]
Jack Armstrong
I just pop in a capsule, choose my strength and wow, it's beginning to.
- [16:59]
Joe Getty
Feel more seasonal in here already.
- [17:01]
Jack Armstrong
If your holiday party doesn't have a bartender, then you become the bartender. Unless you've got a Bartesian because Bartesian crafts every cocktail perfectly in as little as 30 seconds. And I just got it for $50 off.
- [17:13]
Dan Snow
Tis the season to be jollier.
- [17:17]
Craig Gotwals
Add some holiday flavor to every celebration with the sleek, sophisticated home cocktail maker Bartesian. Get $50 off any cocktail maker at bartesian.com cocktail that's B A R T E S I A N dot com.
- [17:32]
Mike Bagley
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- [18:04]
Craig Gotwals
Hi, this is Mike Bagley. Join me along with the cast and crew of the Motor Racing Network for NASCAR Live. Hear exclusive interviews. It's my responsibility as a driver to leave the sport in a better place than it was when I got here. The best moments from each of NASCAR's premier series, they bang sideways at the line. Photo finish, an in depth breakdown to the latest NASCAR news, and more. It's NASCAR Live. Listen today in the iHeartRadio app or on your favorite podcast platform.
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Bill Burr
History has made this world of ours history is the reason I'm talking to you in English from a place called the UK with its castles, its warm beer and cricket. It's why the United States doesn't have King Charles and its currency, but Canada does. I'm Dan Snow and I host Dan Snow's History Hit Podcast. If you want to know the origin stories of the cities we inhabit, why we've always been drawn dictators, or the long history of what's going on in the Middle east, we've got you covered. Learn about the past and understand our world today. Listen to Dan Snow's History Hit wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dan Snow
You know what's annoying me about this kid who killed this CEO is none of these news programs are talking about the incredible lack of empathy from the general public about this because of how these insurance companies treat people when they are at their most vulnerable after we've all given them our money every month. And now we finally need you and all you do is deny us. And then these and all of these things are taking the pictures of their CEOs off their websites. You know, I gotta be honest with you. Okay, I love that CEOs are afraid right now. You should be. By and large, you're all a bunch of selfish, greedy pieces of. And a lot of you are mass murderers. You just don't pull the trigger.
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Joe Getty
Wow, that is, that's Bill Burr, the comedian. That's some French Revolution stuff right there. I mean that is society completely coming apart. And I don't want to get too off track on that. But because of our healthcare guest we have here expert, I wanted to throw this out. I assume a lot of people like Bill Burr and the people who are cheering the death of the United Healthcare CEO are people who want government health care. They want a complete government takeover of healthcare and somehow believe that you won't have any deny or delay if the government is running healthcare. What's the history of government and healthcare around the world?
- [20:29]
Dan Snow
Well, as we've talked on your show before, many times, it's horrific, right? I mean this, there's, there's a reason why, you know, Canadians come here in droves when they have serious because they can actually get care if they have money here. You know, there's a free market. Well, there's at least the semblances of a free market in healthcare still here in America. So you have rationing of healthcare across the globe because anytime that you use you say, well this should be a human right now there can be no human right where I am dependent upon the labor of another. That's not a thing, right? So all healthcare has to be rationed. It's either rationed by a waiting list Canada or UK or it's rationed by money. I mean, that's just the reality of it all. What I would say, the misplaced anger out there, it shouldn't be at the specific insurers or the whatever. It's the iron law of bureaucracy at play here, gentlemen. I mean you have just the larger these bureaucracies grow, whether they're public or private, they get less personal and they become more dedicated to only fostering their own survival. And that's exactly what we're seeing here in healthcare. We're seeing the iron law of bureaucracy at the government level, the insurer level, and then of course them working together to enrich themselves as much as they possibly can. It's horrific. But you don't fix that by randomly slaughtering somebody in the streets. I mean, it's Just insane.
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Craig Gotwals
Can you do 60 seconds on what would be first step to improve it? If you were gonna advise Trump say.
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Dan Snow
Yeah, as you mentioned before, I made it, I made a housing difference in my career. My career is now housed somewhere else as of March of this year and I'm now free to say even more than I did before. And the reality is, as a guy who installs large insurance plans, my best advice to everybody, individuals, employers, everybody, buy as little insurance as you can.
- [22:17]
Joe Getty
Really interesting.
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Dan Snow
Yes, yes. Because you, when you buy insurance, you're getting, you're getting into a negotiation and buying a product from private equity, Wall street and the government that has all been designed to ensure that it makes the most money. Great, I get it. We got to transfer risk for certain things. But if you're buying insurance, you want the highest deductible you can get, you want to self insure what you can because you're never going to win in that transaction in the long run.
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Joe Getty
That is fascinating. That is not what I did on the most recent enrollment here at the company.
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Dan Snow
No, and it's, it's, it's, and especially at your company. I know because you, you guys are housed at a large enough place, it's a self funded plan. I would again, I would buy the highest deductible I can get and I would do the most I could myself. Now there's exceptions to that, right? If you have a child with special needs, you know you're going to spend a certain amount in a given year. Of course buying the richer plan might be advantageous, but if you're that guy. Yeah, I know, I think you are too, Jack. But as a general rule, I would just say to people, whether you're buying home insurance, auto insurance, health insurance, whether you're an employer buying interest buy, you're not going to win in a transaction.
- [23:23]
Craig Gotwals
Sorry to jump in. That's great stuff. If people want more on benefits, insurance, how can they get a hold of you? 10 seconds.
- [23:30]
Dan Snow
Got walls.substack.com is probably the fastest and easiest way to get me.
- [23:35]
Craig Gotwals
And we'll have a link@armstrongengetti.com as well, so you can find it easily. Craig got Wells. Craig, thanks a million. Great to talk to you. Much more to come. Hope you can stick around. Armstrong and Getty.
- [23:49]
Jack Armstrong
All right, we're all set for the party. I've trimmed the tree, hung the mistletoe, and paired all those weird shaped knives and forks with the appropriate cheeses. And I plugged in the partisan.
- [23:58]
Joe Getty
Partisan.
- [23:59]
Jack Armstrong
It's a home cocktail maker. That makes over 60 premium cocktails, plus a whole lot of seasonal favorites too. I just got it for 50 off. So how about a Cosmopolitan or a Mistletoe margarita?
- [24:10]
Joe Getty
I'm thirsty. Watch.
- [24:11]
Jack Armstrong
I just pop in a capsule, choose my strength and wow, it's beginning to.
- [24:15]
Joe Getty
Feel more seasonal in here already.
- [24:17]
Jack Armstrong
If your holiday party doesn't have a bartender, then you become the bartender. Unless you've got a Bartesian because Bartesian crafts every cocktail perfectly in as little as 30 seconds. And I just got it for $50 off.
- [24:29]
Dan Snow
Tis the season to be jollier.
- [24:33]
Craig Gotwals
Add some holiday flavor to every celebration with the sleek, sophisticated home cocktail maker Bartesian. Get $50 off any cocktail maker at bartesian.com cocktail that's B A R T E S I A N dot com.
- [24:48]
Mike Bagley
Cocktail ready to unleash the power of 4K Vizio's 4K TV collection has you covered with sizes ranging from 43 inches all the way up to a jaw dropping 86 inch screen. Experience stunning clarity like never before, bringing your favorite shows and movies to life. And with Watch Free plus built in, you'll enjoy free live and on Demand TV right out of the box. You can even stream your favorite songs with the iHeartRadio app ready to go on every Vizio 4K TV. Upgrade your entertainment. Head to Walmart to find your Vizio 4K TV.
- [25:19]
Craig Gotwals
Today, the 2004 NASCAR Cup Series championship was won in dramatic fashion.
- [25:23]
Joe Getty
Well, they changed right side tires. Only the entire wheel came off.
- [25:27]
Dan Snow
But what happened?
- [25:27]
Craig Gotwals
What happened throughout the year is what makes it one of NASCAR's biggest seasons. Hear all the stories on NASCAR Live presents 2004 Chasing History. But he climbed up on the pit box and someone came over and got a hold of him. And then it was on. NASCAR Live presents 2004 Chasing History. Listen today in the iHeartRadio app or on your favorite podcast platform.
- [25:49]
Bill Burr
The leaves drift to the ground.
- [25:51]
Craig Gotwals
The wind rises.
- [25:53]
Bill Burr
Pull up a chair by our fire.
- [25:55]
Jack Armstrong
And listen to stories from the darker.
- [25:58]
Bill Burr
Side of the past.
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Craig Gotwals
I'm Maddie.
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Bill Burr
And I'm Antony and on our podcast.
- [26:02]
Joe Getty
After Dark Myths, Misdeeds and the Paranormal.
- [26:05]
Craig Gotwals
We tell stories of villages and the death of queens, of Tudor ghosts that will not sleep, and of murder among gravestones.
- [26:14]
Dan Snow
Listen to After Dark from History.
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Craig Gotwals
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Joe Getty
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Craig Gotwals
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Joe Getty
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- [26:51]
Craig Gotwals
Dawson, you are grounded. No. All my friends tell me that when they're grounded, they're not allowed to go. Well, it's different for you because you would rather be inside. Your punishment is to be outside. You need to be a kid, do something. Well, there's nothing to do out here. There's a lot of things you can do. You climb a tree, jump the fence. I don't really care. Go ding dong, ditch the neighbor.
- [27:12]
Dan Snow
It's not boring.
- [27:13]
Craig Gotwals
You have to be creative.
- [27:15]
Mike Bagley
What.
- [27:16]
Craig Gotwals
What do you want to do inside anyways?
- [27:18]
Joe Getty
Just watch YouTube shorts?
- [27:21]
Craig Gotwals
That's the problem.
- [27:22]
Mike Bagley
No.
- [27:23]
Joe Getty
You know, that kid sounded like he was reading from a script. But I had very similar conversation with my son last night. Like in a very serious way. He was breaking down emotionally over this, over the whole thing. I talked about over the last couple of weeks. I'm getting rid of Netflix and Disney and all that different sort of stuff. As I've been encouraging him for a long time, you gotta come up with other things to do. He's homeschooled, so he has more time on his hands than his brother does. But it's. I do have some sympathy as a guy who loves to read. I find it difficult to read now because my brain is warped from looking at my phone. And I didn't start looking at my phone until I was 45. So, you know, if you've been. If you've been doing that your whole life, just the pace of things being outside. I'm supposed to get a stick and, like, dig in the dirt.
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Craig Gotwals
Fair point.
- [28:26]
Joe Getty
Which is what I did sometimes. But just the pace is just so slow.
- [28:32]
Craig Gotwals
We need, and this is my $10 million idea that I'm too shiftless to actually implement. We need electronic detox programs, and I know they exist, but. But they need to be, like, well known and popular where whether as an adult or as a parent or whatever, maybe the kid himself realizes I am making myself insane. I need two weeks in the woods to decompress, get weaned off the devices, get back in touch with reality. I mean actual, real reality, not virtual reality reality. I Need it myself.
- [29:09]
Joe Getty
Right.
- [29:10]
Craig Gotwals
Hi, caramba. What have we done?
- [29:12]
Joe Getty
I don't know. I don't know. What are human beings doing to themselves?
- [29:16]
Craig Gotwals
It's, you know, quote, unquote, tech, I swear, is the apple from the tree of knowledge in the book of Genesis. It is the thing we cannot handle as a species.
- [29:30]
Joe Getty
Troubles me greatly. And I only think about it every single day. So.
- [29:36]
Craig Gotwals
Yeah, yeah. What were we gonna do? Oh, oh, speaking of kids, I wanted to bring this up, and again, you're not gonna hear this anywhere but here. Even though it's a huge, huge story, and especially in the wake of the recent Supreme Court oral arguments, the UK has banned puberty blockers for gender confused children indefinitely. It's an unacceptable safety risk, quote, unquote. Existing emergency measures banning the sale and supply of puberty suppressing hormones will be made indefinite following official advice from medical experts. Any medical expert that is not utterly corrupted by radical gender theory can look at the evidence and see what the cast report saw and say, wow, there is no evidence that this is worth all of the risks and the side effects and the injuries. And 85% of kids grow out of it within six months anyway. And as of it. So I don't know what to say other than that the UK has made their very, very strong decision, joining half a dozen other European countries who are doing exactly the same thing.
- [30:43]
Joe Getty
So the biggest political story of the day to me, and I think this can't be overstated, is how high Donald Trump is right now as a politician compared to where he once was. There might not be a example of this throughout world history of anybody being as low as somebody was and as high as somebody was, as right now with Donald Trump, it is absolutely amazing. So today, in case you didn't know it, he rang the bell to open the New York Stock Exchange, which no president or president elect has done since Reagan. So it's been 40 years for whatever reason. But there's a video out of when Donald Trump gets told this yesterday, when somebody comes to us and, hey, we just got the news. The New York Stock Exchange has invited you to ring the bell. Nobody, no president has done it since Reagan in 1982 or whatever it was. And you can just tell the. I mean, the guy who's grown up in New York, New York is his hometown. It's like, you know, being successful wherever you went to high school.
- [31:48]
Craig Gotwals
Sure.
- [31:48]
Joe Getty
I mean, and. And at the same day Time magazine names. You're going to be on the COVID of Time magazine, which Trump is an old man. It still really means something to be Time magazine's person of the Year.
- [32:00]
Craig Gotwals
Oh, you know who else is Time magazine's person of the Year? Jack. Perhaps you've heard of him. Hitler.
- [32:07]
Joe Getty
And so the combination of those two things with this CNN poll that is out, first of all, his, the CNN poll on how do you feel Trump is handling the transition? 5545A. He's got a 10 point win where just a couple of weeks ago he was Hitler, according to everyone except for people who are going to vote for Trump.
- [32:31]
Craig Gotwals
And to me, the most interesting part of the transition, the way it's being run is he's more or less the president already.
- [32:36]
Joe Getty
Oh, absolutely.
- [32:38]
Craig Gotwals
I wish we could revive James Madison and have him say, yeah, have the, have the new guy start early. The old guy's not doing anything. So let's get started. Because that's the feel of it.
- [32:47]
Joe Getty
According to Democrats, according to Politico over the weekend and unnamed Democrats in the White House saying, yeah, it feels like Trump's the president already. Democrats in the White House are saying that. I mean, it's absolutely amazing. Um, so they, they break it down. Your choices on here are a lot of confidence, some confidence, no real confidence, no opinion. And here's all these different categories that Trump's killing it in. Dealing with the economy. You add up a lot of confidence with some confidence. He's at 65% in the, in the, you know, positive territory on dealing with the economy. Handling the war between Russia and Ukraine. 62. Dealing with immigration policy. 60, Providing real leadership for the country. 59. Handling foreign, foreign affairs. God, Ian Bremmer and people like him constantly writing how nervous world leaders are now that Trump's coming back. And I said, okay, well, Americans are 55% of them, either a lot or somewhat okay with way he's going to handle it. Appointing the best people to office. 54%. And then the most amazing one given January 6th, using the power of the presidency responsibly, 54%. He's above 50 on all of those categories. It's stunning.
- [34:05]
Craig Gotwals
Yeah, yeah.
- [34:06]
Joe Getty
How much of it is the positive Trump thing. Thing. How much of it is the negative Democrat thing? They're just so not liked or respected or trusted.
- [34:18]
Craig Gotwals
Yes, that's a great question. I was just going to say, I would love to think long and hard about this and question others from a completely nonpartisan point of view. Just trying to understand how an electorate moves from one place to another is part of it. Just the dimming of memories. The when Lestries sung those Too painful to remember. We simply choose to forget. Is there a certain amount of that of the negatives of Trump? Is it, as you point out? Well, it's a binary choice and the current guy's just a miserable loser. So yeah, we're going to go with the next guy. I don't know.
- [34:58]
Joe Getty
So final thing on this, Democrats are still trying to do a bit of an autopsy, not just on the election, but on their party, like where are we and what's the future and everything like that. Polling suggests that Trump is ideologically closer to the median voter than Kamala Harris. Shock Third Way, which is a centrist Democratic think tank. Their job is to figure this stuff out to get Democrats elected. Conducted a post election survey asking voters to place themselves Harrison Trump. On a scale ranging from 0 very liberal to 10 very conservative. The mean response was 2.45 for Harris. Just dang close down to the liberal end. 7.78 for Trump. For all voters, it's 5.63. So Trump is way closer to where the average American is than Kamala Harris. I mean, it's not even close. No wonder he won.
- [35:52]
Craig Gotwals
Yeah. Yeah, that's striking. I thought I had it and that's with me. But.
- [35:57]
Joe Getty
And if you lean right, it's good news. Cause the Democratic Party, if they want to have any say whatsoever, is going to have to move closer to us if they want to have any say whatsoever.
- [36:06]
Craig Gotwals
Well. And for the umpteenth time, the media is just a far left freak show. I mean, nobody believes what they believe, statistically speaking. Why are they still in business? Well, they're rapidly going out of business. One final thought on that, and this is so remarkable to me, I find no need to relitigate the election. But the after the election, they hold this event. I think it's at Georgetown again. I bet I could find it real quick. But where the heavyweights of the two candidates campaigns get together and they compare notes and they make jokes and they cast dispersions and that sort of thing. And most Americans are totally unaware of it. But if you're a beltway freak, I mean, this is the Super Bowl. It's crazy interesting if you're into campaigns. And Karl Rove just wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal that at today's or at this year's autopsy, the higher ups in the Harris campaign were saying, we ran a flawless campaign. We hit all the notes.
- [37:13]
Joe Getty
Wow.
- [37:14]
Craig Gotwals
It was mostly misogyny and that sort of thing. And they were dead blank and serious.
- [37:18]
Joe Getty
Good, good, good luck. Good luck with that. Good luck with thinking. That's it. Good. Good luck with ignoring this think tank who said, said you're way out of step with the mean American. You're not even close. Go ahead and think it's misogyny, racism. Please do.
- [37:33]
Craig Gotwals
Okay, so it's Harvard. As it turns out, Kamala Harris campaign of chief of staff Sheila Nix jolted the conference Thursday night by boasting that Democrats ran a pretty flawless campaign. In quotes. Ms. Harris did all the steps that were required to be successful. She claimed. We hit all the marks. This earned derision from Trump campaign co manager Chris Lacivita, as it should have. And then he gets onto the, you know, well, the obvious problems with her campaign in the electorate. Not separating yourself from Biden. We don't need to go over that again. But it is just amazing to me the extent to which these people are siloed and still clueless about what happened. And as you said. Well, good.
- [38:18]
Joe Getty
So the phrase of the day has to be Iranian mothership. We should revisit that at some point. There's a congressman, God, he's got to be impeached today or recalled or whatever you do with congressman claiming there's an Iranian mothership off the coast that is sending quoting him SUV sized drones over New Jersey.
- [38:39]
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Joe Getty
I know there's one more Trump's flying high today that I left out. Zuckerberg donated a million dollars to Trump's inauguration thing. That's a privately funded deal. Your whole inauguration. Zuckerberg, who was part of the whole he's Hitler and there'll never be another election, has given him a million dollars.
- [40:10]
Craig Gotwals
Are we going to hear that tired yet frantic rhetoric again next election? Surely not, when J.D. vance or some governor who only half of America's heard Governor Jones is he's like Hitler.
- [40:26]
Joe Getty
We'll never have another election if this guy or woman wins, right?
- [40:31]
Craig Gotwals
Will they go back to that rancid icky?
- [40:34]
Joe Getty
Well, how about the fact Trump invited President Xi to come to the inauguration? That's never been done before. There's never been an invite, and no Chinese leader has ever. Or a foreign leader of any kind. Trump's trying to make a really big party for that day, but wow, we'll revisit that in January, probably. Yeah, we got Iranian motherships off the coast. That's nothing to sneeze at. Stay tuned for that story.
- [40:58]
Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
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Joe Getty
Feel more seasonal in here already.
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Craig Gotwals
You know I'm also on the Transportation.
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Dan Snow
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Craig Gotwals
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Dan Snow
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Craig Gotwals
Iran launched a mothership probably about a.
- [44:21]
Dan Snow
Month ago that contains these drones.
- [44:24]
Craig Gotwals
That mothership is off. I'm going to tell you the Deal. It's off the east coast of the.
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Dan Snow
United States of America.
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Craig Gotwals
They've launched drones. Is everything that.
- [44:32]
Dan Snow
That we can see or hear.
- [44:33]
Craig Gotwals
And again, these are from high sources. I don't say this lightly.
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Joe Getty
That's an actual congressperson who's clearly a nut job.
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Craig Gotwals
Oh, a hasty leap to judgment there, folks.
- [44:46]
Joe Getty
Let me tell you the deal. I've got highly placed sources. I'm on this committee and that committee. An Iranian mothership has landed on the off the coast of the United States and is launching these SUV sized drones to spy on us.
- [45:02]
Craig Gotwals
We have another clip of him in which he uses the term mothership. Again, I'm kind of needing a definition of. Can we be more. Do you mean like a ship ship or like a giant drone? What are we talking. Stop saying mother. Anyway, all humor aside. Unless you want more humor, that's fine. This is extremely frustrating and perplexing that we have multiple. Quite a few drones buzzing New Jersey slash New York, including some of our most sensitive military sites. And they did the same previously at Vandenberg Air Force Base in Virginia not very long ago. And our brave defenders are throwing their hands up and saying, I don't know what it is. I don't know what to do.
- [45:52]
Joe Getty
Well, the governor is a serious person. We should hear from him. Whatever clip that is, I don't know. There was a wild assertion by Congressman Van Drew today about Iran with a big boat off of a mothership, a mother, whatever that means.
- [46:05]
Craig Gotwals
So we.
- [46:06]
Joe Getty
The Department of Defense said there's zero evidence to that effect.
- [46:09]
Craig Gotwals
FBI said zero evidence.
- [46:12]
Joe Getty
I'm not sure what he's been watching lately, but he might want to watch the news. Going to be on again with the White House tomorrow. I want folks out there to know where not.
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Bill Burr
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Joe Getty
You're frustrated. So are we. I promise you this is our top priority. The governor just said figuring out what the drones are is the top priority of the top executive of the state of New Jersey, which I find really be something.
- [46:38]
Craig Gotwals
Yeah. If there is an innocent explanation to all of this. This. If it's just mischief, or wouldn't they tell the governor? Well, but. But we don't know. That's. That's the frustrating part of it is nobody seems to be doing what it takes to figure this out. Down these drones, track them, and I don't know what technology you'd use. So if it's impossible, forgive me, but how can we be so impotent in the face of something that might well be Chinese surveillance or a test run for a weaponized Drones.
- [47:13]
Joe Getty
It's funny, the governor, like me, when he heard mothership, was picturing a boat at sea, but I think the congressperson is picturing like your Star Wars, Star Trek type motherships right in space, or at least in the sky.
- [47:27]
Craig Gotwals
Just said off the East Coast. You didn't specify an altitude.
- [47:31]
Joe Getty
Where does a congressman get off saying Iran has a mothership on the coast of the United States launching SUV sized drones with which nobody else is saying they're even close to that big.
- [47:43]
Craig Gotwals
Right, right. Well, they're like a crackpot.
- [47:48]
Joe Getty
Yes, perhaps they're like four feet across. I mean, so they're not tiny drones. Four feet is decent size. Not. Not an suv, but What a. What a crazy story.
- [48:01]
Craig Gotwals
What's your guess? Does this end up being something innocent and dope or insidious?
- [48:08]
Joe Getty
Having read an awful lot about the Chinese spy balloon, I think it's going to be something in that world. I don't know if it's China or Russia or Iran or whoever, but I think it's something like that. And I think we're going to all be very disappointed that we let somebody spy on us for so long and couldn't figure out what was going on.
- [48:25]
Craig Gotwals
The one thing that makes me wonder is that whoever's doing it is clearly at risk of showing their hands.
- [48:32]
Joe Getty
Right.
- [48:33]
Craig Gotwals
If our people can ever do anything about this like we've been talking about. But. And that makes me wonder. I don't know.
- [48:41]
Joe Getty
Well, you would have thought China wouldn't want to send their spy balloon across the country the way they did and get outed. But they did.
- [48:47]
Craig Gotwals
Right? Right.
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Joe Getty
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Craig Gotwals
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Jack Armstrong
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Dan Snow
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
I'm thirsty. Watch.
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Jack Armstrong
I just pop in a capsule, choose my strength and what?
- [49:23]
Joe Getty
Wow, it's beginning to feel more seasonal in here already.
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Jack Armstrong
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