Stupid Penguin... Waddling Around.

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode: "Stupid Penguin... Waddling Around."

Date: September 23, 2025
Podcast: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty

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Overview

This episode delves into several major news topics, with particular focus on claims linking Tylenol (acetaminophen) with autism, a major disrupted plot involving an attempted cellular network attack in New York during the UN Assembly, and discussions on current affairs including sports (MLB playoffs), a New Mexico childcare policy, and global tensions involving Russia and China. The hosts' skeptical, irreverent tone prevails, blending humor, frustration, and genuine concern throughout.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Tylenol, Pregnancy, and Autism Allegations

Timestamps: 04:05–14:14, 46:08–49:47

Background

• Former President Trump recently claimed in a press conference that Tylenol taken during pregnancy may be a cause of autism.
• The mainstream scientific consensus does not currently strongly support this claim.
• The claim ties into both ongoing lawsuits against Tylenol's parent company and broader distrust about pharmaceutical companies and public health communication, especially post-COVID.

Discussion & Insights

• Hosts express skepticism toward "rash pronouncements" and emphasize the weak scientific basis for the alleged link.
• Armstrong reminds listeners of hasty dismissals during COVID:

  “Go back to Covid and remember, anything Trump was on was laughed at and treated as a joke.” (04:33, Armstrong)

• Getty critiques Trump’s overstatements:

  “The science is very shaky and what you just heard Trump say is not what his advisors said. He went way over his skis, as he often does.” (05:30, Getty)

• Armstrong and Getty discuss the complex factors contributing to rising autism rates, emphasizing the need for rigorous science and careful consideration of multiple environmental factors.

Notable Quotes

• Getty:

  "It's not a question of toughing it out. Especially high fevers can damage the fetus and imperil the pregnancy. It has nothing to do with toughing." (07:12)

• Armstrong:

  “Joe Getty, fake doctor. Wow, pretending to be Dr. Trump.” (07:32)

• Getty:

  “Learn the names of the drugs. It's not Tylenol, it's acetaminophen...you'll OD and damage your liver. Get to know the names of the drugs. It's just a good idea.” (08:04)

• Armstrong:

  “That is not all of it. Not even close to.” (On increased autism recognition vs. real increase) (10:29)

Lawsuits & Mistrust

• Discussion about lawsuits against Tylenol’s parent company (Kenvue) over autism links, comparing it to lawsuits against Monsanto for Roundup and large legal settlements despite weak scientific evidence.
• Hosts highlight the dynamic whereby scientific uncertainty becomes fertile ground for both litigation and public paranoia.

Media, Misinformation, and Trust

• The hosts intensely question the integrity of government, scientific regulators, and the media—citing the long history of delayed or suppressed studies (e.g., PFOAs in nonstick cookware):

  “They hid studies or buried studies for decades around this stuff. Same thing.” (48:32, Armstrong)

• Getty points out:

  “There are such enormously powerful, moneyed forces who are working as hard as they possibly can to influence all of our minds about this stuff. I find myself confused and discouraged.” (49:08, Getty)

• The segment closes with the sentiment that it's no longer clear what to believe and that public trust is deeply eroded.

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2. Massive Cell Network Attack Disrupted During UN Assembly

Timestamps: 18:41–38:04

The Plot Uncovered

• Authorities disrupted a sophisticated network of 300 servers and 100,000 SIM cards arranged in a ring around NYC, capable of making 300 million calls in minutes—essentially, a "denial of service" attack on cellular networks.

• The network had ties to foreign hostile powers (notably China), criminal enterprises, and swatters.

• Officials suspect the network was meant to disable communications during a possible major terrorism event, possibly aimed at the high-profile gathering of world leaders at the UN.

Notable Quotes

• John Miller (CNN Reporter):

  “This machinery was able to, on command, put out 300 million phone calls within 12 minutes...could have flooded the cellular systems with volume...A denial of service attack that would have made other calls not able to get through.” (29:41)

• Armstrong:

  “I'm looking at the pictures here...This is a pretty high level...There's a whole bunch of them ringing New York City.” (30:44)

• Getty:

  “Is the plot to knock out the cell service just to knock out cell service? Or much more likely to render the response to something else, something bigger, chaotic and ineffective.” (32:03)

Geopolitical Implications

• Discussion about likely state involvement, specifically China, and its possible motives to destabilize New York’s reputation as a global safe hub by undermining communications during the UN.
• Getty pessimistically reflects on global power cycles and the dangerous complacency of the U.S.:

  “I feel like the wolf is at our door. Except it's a screen door and we're just hoping it doesn't come in.” (35:28, Getty)

• Armstrong notes the fate of empires:

  “That is what has happened every single time to every single power on earth? Eventually, every single time.” (35:28, Armstrong)

Surveillance & Privacy

• Armstrong refers to a recent New York Times piece on NYC's pervasive surveillance, facial recognition, and AI-powered tracking, likening the atmosphere to China’s surveillance state. (36:31–37:37)

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3. World News & Policy Quick Hits

Timestamps: 14:14–15:57, 19:59–23:04, 23:48–27:11, 45:38–46:08

UN Assembly & Its Role

• Skepticism about the efficacy of the UN:

  "The expense to achievement ratio is the greatest in the history of mankind." (28:51, Getty) “All they seem to do is write a strongly worded letter and then never follow that letter up.” (27:55, Armstrong)

Russia & NATO tensions

• Concerns about Russian provocations (aircraft entering NATO airspace), the West’s limited response, and the tactical probing strategy of Putin:

  "He constantly pushes to see what the reaction is, both strategically and tactically. That's just his style." (23:04, Getty)

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4. Sports & Light-Hearted Segments

Timestamps: 18:38–21:36, 37:44–42:39

Baseball

• Aaron Judge’s standout season and the Yankees’ playoff push; light commentary on MLB team comebacks and playoff scenarios.
• Getty cracks jokes about the Cleveland Guardians’ new name:

  “Dumbest name ever.” (19:39, Getty)

New Mexico Free Childcare Policy

• Armstrong and Getty lampoon New Mexico’s universal free childcare initiative:

  “I think this is a horrible idea and I think it is going to show us why it's a horrible idea...it will change the entire incentive structure around quality and price.” (19:59, Armstrong)
  "Bringing all the care and love of your county zoning office to childcare." (21:36, Getty)

Buzz Balls and Drinking Humor

• The hosts joke about "buzz balls" (ready-to-drink cocktails), low-quality alcohol, and tales of drinking on the golf course—ultimately used to inject relatable humor and a bit of nostalgia:

  “They're premixed cocktails that taste like trash, but they mess you up.” (39:44, Getty) “For golfers, I was about a 9 or 10 handicap, sober and scratch drunk. But I decided I didn't want to be that anymore.” (41:37, Getty)

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5. Notable Quotes & Humor

• Getty:

  “Stupid penguin waddling around.” (34:27, Getty)
  (riffing on comic-book villains during the cell phone plot analysis; this is the source of the episode’s title.)

• Armstrong:

  “A kiss is still a kiss, a rose is still a rose. Or whatever that song is.” (37:52, Armstrong)
  (as comic relief amidst talk of global fears and baseball.)

6. Meta-Discussion on Trust and Information

• Armstrong and Getty repeatedly return to a central theme:

  "We are to that point where nobody believes anything. And where you go from there, I don't know." (49:47, Armstrong)

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Timestamps – Important Segments

• 04:05 – Tylenol/acetaminophen-autism controversy begins
• 05:30 – Critique of Trump’s statement on Tylenol
• 08:04 – Getty’s advice on drug names and overdosing danger
• 10:29 – Autism numbers and causes, discussion
• 13:03 – Lawsuit mechanics, comparison to Roundup
• 18:41 – Set-yourself-on-fire world record (quippy moment)
• 18:58–22:51 – New Mexico free childcare, UN Assembly, Russia/NATO
• 29:41 – Detailed report on NYC's disrupted phone network attack
• 31:17 – Foreign powers and criminal groups linked to plot
• 32:03 – Motives behind disrupting cell service
• 34:27 – “Stupid penguin waddling” remark
• 35:28–36:31 – National security, US decline, surveillance
• 37:44 – Baseball playoffs, sports banter
• 39:11 – Buzz balls and cheap liquor humor
• 46:08–49:47 – Returning to Tylenol claims, historical precedent for buried studies, trust crisis

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Summary

This Armstrong & Getty episode delivers a dense, lively, often sardonic examination of current events:

• Health/Pregnancy: Analyzing the scientific and narrative chaos around Trump’s claims about Tylenol and autism, with reminders of history’s hidden public health hazards, the hosts stress skepticism but warn against denialism or lawsuits without strong evidence.
• Security: The hosts break down the implications of a foiled mass cell tower disruption in NYC, suggesting likely state actor involvement, and riff on the vulnerabilities of modern society.
• Institutions/Efficacy: Both the UN and U.S. public health authorities come under fire for lack of credibility, overreach, or inertia.
• Culture & Humor: The episode’s darker themes are leavened by smart-alecky asides about world records, drinking, baseball, and, of course, the titular “stupid penguin waddling around.”

The show’s running motif is a world spinning rapidly, full of half-truths, institutional failures, and bizarre headlines—but also ripe for mockery and the occasional ounce of hope for real answers.

Transcript

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[Guest or Expert on Tylenol Topic]

We're talking about other different drugs, pills that you take that we know are so bad and they don't take them anymore, but for some reason with this they keep taking it. Don't take Tylenol. There's no downside. Don't take it. You'll be uncomfortable. It won't be as easy, maybe, but don't take it if you're pregnant. Don't take Tylenol and don't give it to the baby after the baby is born.

[Armstrong]

Such President Trump yesterday that a press conference, what he said could end up being the biggest announcement of his presidency. Which if it turns out it is true that Tylenol is a major contributor to autism. If you take it when you're pregnant, then yeah, it would be a big deal. The science doesn't seem to be. Of course it's difficult. I'm going on what I'm being told by mainstream media and they have got every interest in the world to look for the studies that make it the least likely to be true. I mean, okay, I'm not particularly convinced just as of the last 48 hours that Tylenol is the big boogeyman here. But go back to Covid and remember anything Trump was on was laughed at and treated as a joke.

[Getty]

Knee jerk.

[Armstrong]

Knee jerk by everyone.

[Getty]

Yeah. Even if it was 100% true, you.

[Armstrong]

Do have to remember that.

[Getty]

I have two thoughts. Number one, I believe personally that the science is very shaky and what you just heard Trump say is not what his advisors said. And wanted to him, him to say he went way over his skis, as he often does. That was totally unsupportable. And yeah, there are reasons pregnant women should take Tylenol at times. Having said that, what you said is true too. And so we're dangerously close to that predicted situation where nobody knows what's true anymore. So you just stop even trying to figure it out.

[Armstrong]

Right. Here's a little chunk of Trump. Yesterday he was riffing.

[Guest or Expert on Tylenol Topic]

For this reason, they are strongly recommending that women limit Tylenol use during pregnancy unless medically necessary. That's for instance, in cases of extremely high fever that you feel you can't tough it out, you can't do it. I guess there's that. It's a small number of cases, I think. But if you can't tough it out, if you can't do it, that's what you're going to have to do. You'll take a Tylenol, but it'll be very sparingly. Can be something that's very dangerous to the woman's health. In other words, a fever. That's very, very dangerous. And ideally a doctor's decision. Stop talking. I think you shouldn't take it and you shouldn't take it during the entire pregnancy. They may tell you that toward the end of the pregnancy you shouldn't take it during the entire. And you shouldn't give the child a Tylenol every time he go born and he goes and has a shot. You shouldn't give a Tylenol to that child.

[Getty]

It's not a question of toughing it out. It's a question of the, the especially high fevers can damage the fetus and imperil the pregnancy. It has nothing to do with touching. Sorry, sorry.

[Armstrong]

I don't see a medical degree hanging behind your head.

[Getty]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Which means I know enough not to shoot my mouth off.

[Armstrong]

Joe Getty, fake doctor. Wow, pretending to be a Dr. Trump.

[Getty]

Just let your medical people speak, please.

[Armstrong]

Well, his medical people are RFK Jr. And Dr. Oz Durr. But yeah. So I don't know if this is a huge breakthrough. I mean, that would be, it would be awesome news. It's bad news if you're, you know, all your 401ks and Tylenol stock, obviously. But figuring out what causes autism would be fantastic. I would love that.

[Getty]

Oh, yeah. It's an incredibly high priority. By the way. Here's, here's a little lecture from, from your non doctor Uncle Joe. I almost never use the term Tylenol or Advil. Or anything. Learn the names of the drugs. It's important because it keeps you safe. It's not Tylenol. It's acetaminophen that is the drug. And the reason it's important is because you'll take a couple extra strength Tylenol and then you'll take Alka Seltzer cold that doesn't have Tylenol in it. It does have a hell of a dose of acetaminophen, though, and you'll OD and damage your liver. So get to know the names of the drugs. It's just a good idea, especially when you're giving drugs to your kids.

[Armstrong]

Well, then I feel like we gotta play this.

[Getty]

Go ahead.

[Guest or Expert on Tylenol Topic]

First, effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians that the use of. I said, well, let's see how we say that. Acetaminophen. Acetaminophen. Is that okay. Which is basically commonly known as Tylenol during pregnancy can be associated with a very increased risk of autism. So taking Tylenol is not good. All right. I'll say it. It's not good.

[Armstrong]

Yeah. So he. Okay, so. But yeah, for obvious reasons, in this particular case especially, you gotta go with the drug name because there are other ways to take Tylenol other than Tylenol. Lots of different ways. And that. And you know, my drugstore, they have the generic always right next to it. And I buy the generic because it's so much cheaper and it's exactly the same thing, but it is, it doesn't. It's not called Tylenol.

[Getty]

Right.

[Armstrong]

So you're not better by taking that one instead of the one called Tylenol. It's exactly the same thing, right?

[Getty]

Yeah, exactly. Anyway, I'll be, I'll be interested to see the science unfold. The, the tie, the, the relationship between acetaminophen use during pregnancy and autism is fairly shaky from what I've read. That doesn't mean it's not true, but it's pretty shaky.

[Armstrong]

I'll tell you what is true, is a lot of the numbers that a bunch of different organizations were going through yesterday and in the increase in autism in the 2000s, not just going back to the 80s, but like in the 2000s, how much more there is. And I know a lot of people say it's just recognizing it, but that is not, that is, that is not all of it. Not even close to.

[Getty]

Oh, no, no, that might be part of it, but it's hella certainly not all of it. And honestly, we've been talking about as layman, obviously. What might be going on in the modern world that would increase autism so much? Is it, you know, microplastics? Is it some, you know, I don't know, pesticide, whatever.

[Armstrong]

Cell phone towers.

[Getty]

Nobody was taking acetaminophen in 1950.

[Armstrong]

Chemtrails.

[Getty]

It's not impossible. That is. But it's not impossible. It is, but, you know, we need to get some good solid science going. I tell you what, and look, I'm not, I'm not Trump administration bashing here. I'm just trying to tell you the truth, which is what I see as my job. Seed oil could certainly be the infamous seed oils, Jack. Thank you for pointing that out. RFK Jr. Prior to what is going to be and this click in my head the other day, and RFK is a smart guy. What's the typical tenure of a cabinet member or a high level aide in a presidential administration? Couple of years. Some people last the whole administration, four whole years. And then you're back to what you were doing before, which in RFK Jr. S case was filing class action lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies, among others, and the makers of, of Roundup and that sort of thing. And so this is. Well, Kev New is the name of the parent company that manufactures Tylenol specifically, although again, many, many companies manufacture acetaminophen products or products with it. And the headline from the Journal is lawsuits over Tylenol's potential link to. I'm sorry, Kev New braces for Wave of new lawsuits over Tylenol's potential l. Autism. So now Kev New is going to get a slew of class action lawsuits, some of which will win, some of which will lose, many of which will be settled much like Monsanto back in the day. Science could not come up with any solid proof, quote unquote, that Roundup caused cancer. But they've settled for zillions.

[Armstrong]

Oh, yeah. And I. The settlements. There's one, what was it, $70 million was some insane settlement here in California. Somebody used a lot of Roundup and got lymphoma. It's usually attached to lymphoma, which is what I had. And I have been bathed in Roundup throughout my life. How I've not gotten involved in one of these class action lawsuits and set myself on a, a pretty path. I don't know.

[Getty]

You're a fool.

[Armstrong]

But the science is almost nothing attaching Roundup to lymphoma, but a whole bunch of money has been awarded to people.

[Getty]

Yeah, yeah. And so you, if you were a cynic or a realist. You certainly could suggest that this is fertilizing the ground for lots and lots of trial attorneys like RFK Jr. To make zillions of dollars going forward.

[Armstrong]

Any young lawyer out there really will make their bones. I mean, I have been dripping in Roundup at various points in my life when I was younger and I got.

[Getty]

On the other hand, you have no weeds on you.

[Armstrong]

You can have 20% of it.

[Getty]

Wow. It's generally a third, isn't it?

[Armstrong]

Okay, so I went lower than what they usually get. I'll give you half of it. You're gonna have half of it. Wow.

[Getty]

Whoa.

[Armstrong]

That's okay. You can have half of it.

[Getty]

Give them the third. They'll take the third.

[Armstrong]

All right. We got other news to get to. Trump is speaking at the U. N. Today. I don't know if that means anything at all. Of course, it depends on what he says. Jimmy Kimmel's going back on TV today. Whoop. DS Kamala Harris. What she said in a couple of different interviews. Sure looks like she's running for president to me, which will be very exciting. A lot of stuff on the way. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty.

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[Getty]

An Austrian daredevil recently attempted to set.

[Armstrong]

A Guinness World Record by lighting his.

[Getty]

Body on fire and pulling a car more than 300ft in less than a minute, which broke the previous record of There was no previous record. They like just pull it a foot, man.

[Armstrong]

Pull it a foot and let's get the hose. No kidding. The set yourself on fire, pull a car record. Who comes up with this stuff?

[Getty]

I mean, okay, so he sets that record. Then some guy says, yeah, I'm going to do that, but while I'm being attacked by pit bulls. And then that's a different record.

[Armstrong]

Or in a tuxedo, right?

[Getty]

What? What?

[Armstrong]

We just broke up a plot apparently to take down the New York area cell phone service. So that would have been bad. Or maybe it was just like a testing the waters sort of thing from who knows who. But we'll get into that coming up next segment. A couple things I want to jam in here real quick. First of all, baseball wise, did you know Aaron Judge of the New York Yankees is having one of the greatest seasons anybody's ever had? I was missing this somehow. He's going to end up hitting 50 home runs for the season while batting.326 for the year. He's going to win the batting title, the percentage batting title and the home run title, which has almost never happened. He, Jones, only Barry Bonds and Albert Pujols to have done it in the last like 50 years or something like that. Anyway, so the Yankees will be in the playoffs and you'll be hearing plenty about them. If it ends up being Yankees Dodgers, I might have to move to another country for a brief period of time.

[Getty]

I was just reading how the Cleveland Guardians, dumbest name ever, are about to maybe complete the biggest comeback in the history of Major League Baseball, I believe.

[Armstrong]

Oh cool.

[Getty]

They were, they were 15 and a half games back on July 9th. Oh wow. And they're one game away from, from, I believe from being on top of their division.

[Armstrong]

If they still had the old hat, I would be rooting for them. But I can't for them now. New Mexico is going to try laboratories of democracy. I don't, I think this is a horrible idea and I think it is going to show us why it's a horrible idea. But New Mexico, starting November 1st, free childcare for everyone. The free. I can't believe you get away with calling things free. Still ever free childcare for everyone in New Mexico, regardless of income. So in other words, what it actually is, government provided childcare, which of course will change the entire incentive structure around quality and price in ways that, well, you can imagine. And we'll see how that plays out over time, right?

[Getty]

Absolutely. New Mexico is borderline communist.

[Armstrong]

It really is. And such a way out of control.

[Getty]

Oh yeah. But it's, you know, electorally speaking, Albuquerque, just a couple of big cities full of hippies and artists that control the politics.

[Armstrong]

My guess would be, well, it'll be interesting to see how many people take advantage of it. It'll be like the free health care they've got in England. The rich don't take advantage of the free healthcare in England because it's so crappy, but everybody else is forced into it. That'll be what the situation is for childcare in New Mexico. It's going to end up being bad and taxes will be high. It won't cost you anything. But. But, but the cost to the government will be very high and it will be bad. Just guaranteed.

[Getty]

And bringing all the care and love of your county zoning office to childcare.

[Armstrong]

Exactly. Bringing that caring empathy of the DMV into your own home with your 2 year old and your 4 year old.

[Getty]

That's right.

[Armstrong]

And if you can afford it, you will pay for your own private. And that's what will happen there, guaranteed. But we'll watch that laboratory of democracy and see how it turns out. That is absolutely incredible. The whole UN Thing is going on right now. I hope they talk a fair amount about Russia buzzing NATO countries with their planes. Well, not buzzing. Flying right into them with their. They're full on planes. They're not manned, but they're full. They're full war planes. Anyway, Estonia yesterday asked the Security Council to write a resolution or that sort of thing. And the response from one of my favorite thinkers was, if this is Estonia just going through all of the necessary levels so that they and NATO can do what they got to do and say, hey, we tried everything else, fine, but if they actually think it's going to work to have the Security Council badmouth Russia, then we are in. We're in tough shape.

[Getty]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The Security Council, which includes Russia and China.

[Guest or Expert on Tylenol Topic]

Right.

[Armstrong]

What do you think? Good luck. What do you think Russia is up to with trying all these different countries? I mean, what's its ultimate goal?

[Getty]

I just think, and I know this is unsatisfying, but I just think Putin constantly probes, he constantly pushes to see what the reaction is, both strategically and tactically. Just. All right, how will they react? What are their air defense systems politically? How much will does the west have? That's just his style. He compiles data.

[Armstrong]

Well, I'll tell you what, it's a bad position to be in where NATO countries in the United States specifically lecture Ukraine about you can't use any weapons but these specific ones firing into Russia. And only this far because we don't want to provoke him into a war. But he does whatever the hell he wants.

[Getty]

Right. Including two NATO countries, including to NATO countries.

[Armstrong]

And we just put up with it. That ain't good.

[Getty]

Or issue strongly worded statements. Take that.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, that ain't good. All right. This big attempt to bring down the cell phone grid plot that got uncovered. Armstrong and Getty, we don't give a.

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Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Was there some sort of plot against world leaders at the UN this week? It sure looks like it. Get to that in just a second. So Trump is speaking at the UN. He just said, and I agree with him 100%. What is the purpose of the United Nations? It has such tremendous, tremendous potential. But it's not even coming close to living up to that potential. All they seem to do is write a strongly worded letter and then never follow that letter up. Ding. Exactly right, sir. I don't understand why more people aren't willing to say that out loud. What do you ever do ever other than occasionally, like get caught committing crimes?

[Getty]

Right, Right. Get excused for traffic tickets? Part of it's just cynical enjoyment of the perks of it.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Getty]

And just the, the, it's, it's a really cool look to be a UN ambassador. You're a diplomat and you get together and talk about the weighty issues of the world and design programs and charities and the rest of it. But man, as I opened the show with today, the expense to achievement ratio is the greatest in the history of mankind.

[Armstrong]

Oh, no doubt. And dumb people or people who don't pay very much attention think that it is important. And, and, and it sounds like a good idea, if you like. If you're really not paying attention, it sounds like a very good idea. Let's have all the countries get together and make decisions and vote on things and we'll keep the world peace world instead of wars.

[Getty]

We'll just meet and talk.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, but there's, there's no evidence it has been successful in any way whatsoever. But having all the world leaders in one place is quite the terrorist target. And that's why they've got security unlike probably anything that ever happens in the world. Wow. There was almost a big terrorist plot, though. It sure looks like. Let's listen to the report first and then I can fill in details. As I've been reading up on this. Since the news is broken this morning.

[John Miller (CNN Reporter)]

This is quite an amazing story, and nothing like we've seen before. But the Secret Service investigating these swatting calls traced these phone signals down to a number of locations in basically a circle a 35, you know, mile donut around New York City. And when they hit these apartments, they found 300 servers connected to 100,000 SIM cards. This machinery was able to, on Command, put out 300 million phone calls within 12 minutes. What does that mean? What that means is it could have flooded the cellular systems with volume. Basically a denial of service attack that would have made other calls not able to get through. And when you try to trace that back to who's behind it with 100,000 SIM cards, that's 100,000 different phone numbers you're trying to sort through to figure out, well, which ones do we block? It would have been a stunning attack.

[Armstrong]

I'm looking at the pictures here. One photo provided by the U.S. secret Service yesterday shows this wall of SIM boxes at one of the locations that were seized. It's a big, giant room with carpeting and lighting and air conditioning and, I mean, and just rows and rows and rows of what look like computers. I mean, this is a pretty high level. I mean, you got to get a building, you got to rent it out. You got to bring all that equipment in. You got it set up, and there was a whole bunch of them ringing New York City. Here's a little more from John Miller on cnn.

[John Miller (CNN Reporter)]

There's something more behind this because as they started to examine who those. Some of those SIM cards, they got a lot to go through with. 100,000 had been communicating with. They found foreign agents from hostile foreign powers, including China, talking to criminal organizations, including Mexican drug cartels, along with swatters, along with terrorist organizations. So whoever built this network of hubs was either a hostile foreign power or some criminal genius who decided to give them a massive switchboard with incredible foul power.

[Armstrong]

And why.

[Getty]

Here's your question. Is the plot to knock out the cell service just to knock out cell service?

[Armstrong]

No.

[Getty]

Or much more likely to render the response to something else, something bigger, chaotic, and ineffective.

[Armstrong]

Right. The special agent in charge of this operation for the Secret Service said it can take down cell towers so people can no longer communicate. You can't text message, you can't use your cell phone. And then if you couple that with some sort of other event you associated with the UN well, use your imagination there. It could be catastrophic. Yeah. The Secret Service is thinking this was going to wipe out abilities people's ability to communicate while some other event is occurring. Right, that other event, is it still in the planning? Is it still something they would do? What was it? Does the Secret Service. Have they uncovered it? They just haven't told us yet or they're working on it? I don't know because nobody knows when this happened. The timing is very vague on when they discovered that it's just released as news today. But when it actually happened, don't know.

[Getty]

Wow.

[Armstrong]

God dang it. A foreign power. That's the scariest scenario. Obviously Russia, China, Iran, or all three of them.

[Getty]

Right. In concert. Certainly China's the ringleader of everything.

[Armstrong]

China.

[Getty]

That's right, sir. That, you know, includes all of those countries.

[Armstrong]

Although it's hard to imagine why China would go after the UN assembly.

[Getty]

Just to weaken the US the idea that the US is the place where all the countries come to gather and talk because we're the biggest, most powerful, safest place on earth. The. That last part is the thing that China wants to disrupt desperately. I'm not sure screwing with the UN is the best way to do it, but I mean, that's one possible. It's hard to imagine you would do that.

[Armstrong]

It's hard to imagine a private actor doing this. It would take a tremendous amount of money and.

[Getty]

Well, and for people. Purpose.

[Armstrong]

And for what purpose? Well, you could just be a nut. But it's too expensive for just a nut.

[Getty]

Yeah, I mean, outside of like Superman movies, the super genius criminal who just likes to mess with people is not really a thing.

[Armstrong]

Right. And you and the penguin get together and come up with a plan.

[Getty]

Right, Right.

[Armstrong]

Really, a thing?

[Getty]

Stupid penguin waddling around.

[Armstrong]

That is slightly.

[Getty]

Slightly, Yes.

[Armstrong]

I mean, that's a major undertaking to put together that. And you didn't put that together to not use it?

[Getty]

No. I assume China is at the heart of this somehow. And I've got this feeling, I try to push it aside. It's like, you know, mortality. I'm aware of it, but I can't think about it all the time or it would make me insane. The fact that China, a gigantic, technically advanced country, is intent on bringing us down through every conceivable avenue it can come up with. And we're just walking down the street, oblivious, and one day, you know, the poo is going to hit the fan. I feel like the wolf is at our door. Except it's a screen door and we're just. We're just hoping it doesn't come in.

[Armstrong]

And one of the problems with your scenario is that is what has happened every single time to every single power on earth? Eventually, every single time.

[Getty]

If you're trying to cheer me up, you've done a poor job.

[Armstrong]

The up and coming power notices the weakness in the fat, lazy has been in charge forever.

[Getty]

Power check and check.

[Armstrong]

And finally makes its move, takes its shot. Yeah, it's hard to imagine that its shot would be shutting down cell service in Manhattan and then somehow disrupting the un. Although your theory's not bad. Can't have the UN in New York anymore. People ain't gonna meet. How about Beijing? Beijing? We can keep you safe.

[Getty]

Oh yeah. And honestly, if I were utterly soulless, I would say yeah, that is a better proposition. Come to think of it, they don't have a free society. They know everything that's going on. They have a surveillance state. We would be safer there.

[Armstrong]

There's just an article in the New York Times the other day. Did you read that article about the. The state of the surveillance in New York City?

[Getty]

No.

[Armstrong]

Oh my God. Find that New York Times article. It was really well put together. It was one of those that's got the, the visuals you scroll through along with the information and everything like that and New York. And none of this is like the sort of thing we voted on or discuss, but between cameras, license plate readers, AI's ability. Because it talked about somebody walking into a subway and immediately everything about you is fed into a computer. Cuz there's facial recognition. They know where your car is parked, they've got your financial information, your travel history, your poly. Everything about you is like following you through the city in New York.

[Getty]

That's like China.

[Armstrong]

Yeah.

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[Armstrong]

God, I'd say so. And at some point, you know, somebody can use that for ill. Yes.

[Getty]

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[Armstrong]

Right. A kiss is still a kiss, A rose is still a rose. Or whatever that song is.

[Getty]

That's not it. Yeah. I'm sorry, I don't mean to bring everybody down.

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Well, you have.

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[Armstrong]

Quick question before we take a break. What are buzz balls? I don't drink, so I miss various trends. Is that a hot thing? When I was camping, the camp store they had. Before you go in, I was talking to the people at the camp store. Man, that is. You cash in on people forgetting stuff. Oh, yeah, I forgot to bring sunscreen, toilet paper, you know, whatever.

[Getty]

All the different style and all that the president told me not to take. Right.

[Armstrong]

They had a fridge full of buzz balls and various flavors. You know about the buzz balls are, Katie? Unfortunately, yes. You're a fan? No, no.

[Getty]

They're premixed cocktails that taste like trash, but they mess you up.

[Armstrong]

They taste like trash. Yeah.

[Getty]

Buzz balls sounds like marital aids. I'm glad to hear it's only a cocktail.

[Armstrong]

Well, they're round, kind of roundish with a flat bottom. And they, they got cool look and they come in different colors. And I got pineapple, jalapeno. It's got some sort of booze in it. I don't know what the booze is. And then this other one next to it was sour apple chiller. Yeah.

[Getty]

If you go to a bar and you think of the. Well, alcohol, it's like four steps below that.

[Armstrong]

It's just like rubbing alcohol.

[Getty]

Oh, geez. Lawyers. You understand, don't you?

[Armstrong]

This is like your. You just started drinking at age. Whatever. Age you started drinking sort of drinking. Yes.

[Getty]

Super sweet, cheap, off putting cheap cocktails with cheap booze in there.

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[Getty]

Guaranteed headache. Kicked in the head by a mule. Right?

[Armstrong]

You mean Jalapeno of course I did.

[Getty]

What did you say? Oh, okay.

[Armstrong]

Sort of thing you think is funny if you're all hopped up on buzz balls. I didn't know if they were a hot new trend there, but I didn't know if. Joe, like if in your circle. Oh, yeah. On the golf course we're all carrying buzz balls around or something.

[Getty]

Good lord, no.

[Armstrong]

You're swilling around to find chardonnay in the expensive glassware.

[Getty]

Yeah, I no longer drink myself around the golf course like I used to. It's just. It's not good for my health. Plus, I decided I wanted to get good at the game sober. And I was playing in that three day event in Monterey the other day and we're playing some fellas and we're doing quite well against them, which is fine. And then they decided to get their drink on and just smoked us.

[Armstrong]

Oh, really? It made them better.

[Getty]

Swing oil, they call it.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, they got noticeably better.

[Getty]

Oh yeah.

[Armstrong]

When they started drinking.

[Getty]

Oh yeah, that's. I did too. That's why I drank so much, because I, you know, for golfers, I was about a 9 or 10 handicap, sober and scratch drunk. But I decided I didn't want to be that anymore.

[Armstrong]

Wow.

[Getty]

Yeah.

[Armstrong]

Yeah. But doesn't it reach its limit? Like, I used to get like really good at playing pool for like 15 minutes when I had a few drinks. But then it goes past the point.

[Getty]

Oh yeah, you gotta. You gotta ride the wave carefully. Otherwise it crashes on top of you and you suck. But yeah, it's. It turns off the part of your brain. This will sound familiar to you that fears consequences.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, which. Yeah. Yeah. Which can be helpful for playing golf, but not so helpful for choosing a mate.

[Getty]

So. So you wake up with someone regrettable, but three birdies.

[Armstrong]

Okay. Trump speaking at the un if he says anything interesting, we'll tell you about it a lot more on the way. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty.

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[Guest or Expert on Tylenol Topic]

Because when you go from 20,000 to 10,000 and then you go to 12, you know there's something artificial. They're taking something. And by the way, I think I can say that there are certain groups of people that don't take vaccines and don't take any pills. That have no autism. That have no autism. Does that tell you something that's currently. No. It's not a correct statement, by the way.

[Getty]

There are some studies that suggest that. Yeah, with the Amish, for example.

[Guest or Expert on Tylenol Topic]

The Amish? Yeah, virtually. I hear no, I heard none. See, Bobby wants to be very careful with what he says, and he should, but I'm not so careful with what I say. But you have certain groups, the Amish as an example, they have essentially no autism.

[Armstrong]

Now I heard the commentators, of course in cable news who hate Trump said that is not true. The Amish do have autism. Okay, but at the same rate, I mean.

[Getty]

Right.

[Armstrong]

Fill in the, fill in the blanks. So they have some. But is it a third as much? That would be meaningful information. That's the trouble with all these conversations. Everybody has such an ax to grind. I don't have any ax to grind whatsoever on this. If Tylenol causes autism, let's find out about it. If it doesn't, let's not talk about it. Um, anyway, so we got a, a text from a smart listener who texts us regularly, said the Tylenol thing after knowing how the government has been able to bury studies for years and research on OxyContin, POF, OAS, that's the stuff in non stick services. Even Covid. It isn't completely nuts to think that Tylenol is bad. If they had an old study showing a link to autism, imagine the lawsuits. Okay, so then I did a little research on the whole PFOAs, which is perfluoro tonic acid from by name, manmade chemical that was used for decades in products for non stick cookware, Teflon that has been done away with since 2015. And I was doing the research on that, on how long we knew about that. Starting in the 40s and 50s. 50s they were making it with within a couple decades. By the early 60s they had animal studies showing bad health effects, liver damage and that sort of thing. In the 80s they have, they had tons of human evidence showing birth defects, blah, blah, blah, blah. So they, they hid studies or buried studies for decades around this stuff. Same thing.

[Getty]

Walked stuff at best.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, slow walked it. Same thing. The short version is that companies knew as early as the 60s and 70s the PFOAs were hazardous. It took until the middle tens 2015 for regulators to catch up and push it out of mainstream views. So it's not insane. And we all lived through Covid, so we know all about all those lies. So it's not insane to think that there could be some studies that are being hidden?

[Getty]

Oh yeah, not at all.

[Armstrong]

Not at all.

[Getty]

Therefore it's true. Tylenol causes autism or acetaminophen.

[Armstrong]

No, don't give it to your baby today is what Trump said.

[Getty]

Right. But it's absolutely a question that needs to be answered. You know, the problem is not only do you have the incredible bias of the media at every moment, always anti Trump, but you have zillions of dollars at stake denying that link. And then you have zillions of dollars at stake suing on the basis of that link, whether it's real or not. There are such enormously powerful moneyed forces who are working as hard as they possibly can to influence all of our minds about this stuff. I find myself confused and discouraged.

[Armstrong]

Yeah, I would say we are. To that point where nobody believes anything. And where you go from there, I don't know. But I mean, when you've got some pretty big test cases of the government lying about bad effects from various drugs, why wouldn't you be skeptical?

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Democrats refuse to say even the barest nice things about Charlie Kirk. We'll explain.

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Strong and Getty.

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