Super Phat

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand – "Super Phat" (October 27, 2025)

Episode Overview

The “Super Phat” episode blends Armstrong & Getty’s signature irreverent tone and skeptical analysis across several topics in culture, economics, and politics. The hosts, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, examine misconceptions about the American middle class, the historical trajectory of U.S. workers, political messaging and ideological divides within the Democratic Party, cultural commentary on “fat privilege,” and even break down a high-profile French art heist, all with their trademark banter and directness.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. On AI Relationships and Artificial Companionship

• Brief riff on the rise of people forming relationships with AI chatbots.
  • Joe Getty likens digital relationships to a “drug that makes you feel full, but you never take in nourishment and you die of hunger.” (01:24)
  • Jack Armstrong: “They ain’t gonna ghost you. They’re gonna do the opposite...they’ll be there for you always and will replace human relationships anyway.” (00:58)
  • The hosts highlight the emptiness and risks of substituting real relationships with artificial ones.

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2. How the Average U.S. Worker Has Changed in 250 Years

• Citing a new Wall Street Journal series on the 250th anniversary of the USA:
  • Americans today earn much more, work fewer (and less grueling) hours, and have drastically improved living standards.
  • “In 1890, the average American worker was working 58 and a half hours a week. It’s now 34.2. And the average salary’s gone from $15,600...to $64,000.” (03:53)
  • Getty and Armstrong emphasize the contrast between nostalgic political rhetoric and historical reality:
    • “Back-breaking 50 some hours...versus much, much easier kind of work.” (05:30)
    • “That average worker would be dead at 55 on average.” (05:46)
  • Joe Getty: “The American dream is dead. You can’t make it in today’s society, capitalism is racist and exploitive—or that’s the biggest lie ever.” (04:12)
  • Both reject the claim that things are harder or worse for Americans now; instead, highlight that both parties profit politically from a message of decline, which doesn’t match the facts.

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3. Political and Economic Misconceptions

• Discussion on widespread economic misunderstandings and the “Myth of the Rational Voter” (book referenced: Bryan Caplan):
  • Most people misunderstand basic economics (“far, far beyond chance”), especially with policies like rent control. (08:00-09:00)
  • Joe Getty: “There’s something about basic economics that...most people get wrong.” (08:26)
  • In the TikTok era, complex ideas are simplified or ignored, making reasoned discourse difficult.
  • Jack Armstrong: “We’ve got to break out of this whole ‘things are worse now than they’ve ever been’ in terms of lifestyle when it’s the exact opposite.” (09:07)
  • Both assert that nostalgia for previous eras is either misplaced or based on incomplete memories.

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4. Slavery, Labor Markets, and Historical Context

• Explores the impact of slavery not just on the enslaved, but also on poor whites in the South:
  • Joe Getty: “Slavery was miserable for poor southern whites...all the employers have access to free labor. What does that do for you as a poor white person?” (11:39)
  • Slavery artificially distorted the labor market and contributed to deep, enduring poverty.

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5. The Louvre Jewelry Heist

• Recap and commentary on arrests after a major French art theft:
  • Two of four suspects caught, with key suspects attempting to flee to Africa. (14:32-17:16)
  • Frustration at police leaks foiling further captures.
  • Hosts discuss whether stolen historic jewels might already be destroyed, lamenting the cultural loss:
    • “I don’t think I’d have it in me to take a chisel to those things.” (17:16)
  • Comparison to historical destruction (Taliban destruction of art, iconoclasm in England). (17:52-18:30)

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6. Baseball and Cultural Observations

• Armstrong expresses love for the pace and atmosphere of World Series baseball.
  • Calls the sport’s slower rhythm “soothing.” (18:53)
• Sidebar: Discussion of Dodgers’ $1.3 billion “pitching staff” and how rooting interests tie to city and team payrolls. (19:29-19:53)

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7. Rising Progressive Power in Democratic Party Politics

Kamala Harris and "A Life of Service"

• Harris claims, “I have lived my entire career as a life of service, and it’s in my bones.” (22:24)
  • Hosts ridicule politicians’ self-sacrificial framing:
    • Joe Getty: “Who buys that crap?” (23:03)

The Zohran Mamdani Rally (NY Progressive Primary)

• Rally attended by Governor Kathy Hochul, AOC, and Bernie Sanders.
  • Hochul: “Our city, state, and country are under attack by Donald Trump and the Republicans… Zohran is up against in this race mirrors what we are up against nationally.” (24:27)
  • Bernie Sanders: “Is it possible for ordinary people, for working class people to come together and defeat those oligarchs?” (24:57)
• Fox News’ take: This is the progressive wing staking its claim as the true leadership of the party. (25:16-25:35)

Names, Pronunciation, and Identity Politics

• Satirical take on left-leaning insistence on correct pronunciation for certain cultural groups.
  • Jack Armstrong: “It’s just another different way of saying we make the rules. If you’re not saying it like this, you’re kind of a racist, really.” (26:30)
  • Critique of selective cultural sensitivity and its implications.

Bill Maher & The Face of the Democratic Party

• Bill Maher warns that the party’s progressive surge (“Mandani is going to become the face of the party”) is a liability for national victories.
  • Points out Mandani’s dual Ugandan citizenship, referencing Uganda’s anti-gay legislation—“I would renounce… if I was a dual citizen with a country whose policy was to kill homosexuals, I’d renounce that citizenship.” (28:16-28:52)
  • Discussion of Maher highlighting Mandani’s associations with controversial figures and his “radical Marxist professor” father.

Mamdani Family Commentary & Historical Revisionism

• Clip of Zohran’s father, Mahmood Mamdani, claiming that “America is the genesis of what we call settler colonialism” and inspired Hitler and the Nazis. (32:20-33:27)
  • Hosts ridicule the assertion as ahistorical:
    • Jack Armstrong: “The United States invented settler colonialism...that is hilarious. Are you kidding me? Wow. That is the history of the world.” (34:12-34:34)
  • Comparison to ancient and even prehistoric displacements (Neanderthals, etc.)

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8. Cultural Commentary – “Super Fat” and Fat Privilege

• Panel comments on “fat” classification by shirt size and corresponding “levels of privilege.”
  • Katie: “If you are a 1 or 2x, you are small fat, 3 to 4x you are mid fat, 5 to 6x you are super fat…” (39:53-40:24)
  • Hosts mock the “privilege” framing:
    • Joe Getty: “The literal answer is, you’re supposed to give them power over you… It is masquerading as a moral philosophy. It’s a tool of conquest.” (41:29-41:54)
    • Jack Armstrong: “If I agreed with you, which I don’t, but even if I did, what am I supposed to do now? Just sit here and feel bad?” (41:10)
  • Commentary on the co-opting of privilege language to divide even within marginalized or challenged groups.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Joe Getty on Historical Progress:
  “Poor people today are fabulously wealthy by the standards of a couple of hundred years ago.” (02:09)

• Jack Armstrong on Economic Nostalgia:
  “We got to break out of this whole ‘things are worse now than they’ve ever been’ in terms of lifestyle when it’s the exact opposite.” (09:07)

• Joe Getty on Academic Indoctrination:
  “College kids have been thoroughly indoctrinated. They fall for it. I mean, that is truly amusing.” (33:34)

• Jack Armstrong on Cultural Pseudoscience:
  “Wasn't it interesting the way the main person there laid it out? Like this is just scientific. If you’re an XL, you’re a level one fat…” (41:54-42:05)

• Joe Getty on "Privilege":
  “You’re supposed to give them power over you. They are in charge because you have had privilege. So now they are in charge.” (41:29)

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Segment Timestamps

| Time | Segment/Topic | |----------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:29 | AI relationships and concerns | | 01:24 | Wall Street Journal’s "USA250" series, US worker history | | 03:50 | Comparative earnings and hours worked 1890 vs today | | 05:46 | Dangerous historical working conditions | | 06:23 | Modern political nostalgia (myth of the 1950s, etc.) | | 08:26 | Voter ignorance of economics | | 11:39 | Slavery’s impact on poor Southern whites | | 14:32 | French jewel heist, escape attempts, cultural loss | | 18:30 | World Series love, pace of baseball | | 19:29 | Dodgers payroll discussion | | 22:24 | Kamala Harris’ "life of service," Democratic primary | | 24:27 | Mamdani rally, Hochul, AOC, Bernie speeches | | 25:16 | Progressive power play within Democratic Party | | 26:30 | Satire on pronunciation and identity politics | | 28:16 | Bill Maher on Mandani’s dual citizenship and Uganda law | | 32:20 | Mamdani family—revisionism about settler colonialism | | 39:52 | “Super fat” cultural panel, fat privilege | | 41:29 | Analysis of privilege language as a political tool |

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Tone & Language

• The hosts retain their familiar sardonic wit and skepticism, blending accessible historical insights with pointed critique.
• Many jokes and sarcastic asides pepper the political and cultural analysis:
  • “Neanderthals. I pronounce it properly.” (34:50)
  • “My new funk band is named Super Fat. We spell it with pH.” (40:48)
• They call out both right and left political distortions, dubbing some progressive language and diagnosis as “pseudoscience” and “tools of conquest.”

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Conclusion

This Armstrong & Getty episode provides a fast-paced, critical survey of contemporary American myths, ideological shifts, and cultural trends, all with a heavy dose of humor and skepticism. The hosts call for perspective on economic and social progress, challenge party political narratives with historical fact, and lampoon the latest identity trends, ensuring listeners walk away questioning the received wisdom of both the news and the culture.

Transcript

[Announcer]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Jack Armstrong]

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio Studio at.

[Commercial Voice]

The George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty.

[Commentator]

Someone has to break it to the people having relationships with AI chatbots that were about three months away from the chatbots ghosting you. Your chatbot has a genius level IQ, can speak 100 languages and compose a symphony. At some point it's going to say, I just need to go offline for an update and never come back.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's a weird joke. It is concerned about the AI relationships and how they're going to take advantage of a lot of sad people. But they ain't gonna ghost you. They're gonna do the opposite. Yeah, that's the problem with them. The very problem with them is they're fake. And they'll be there for you always and will replace human relationships anyway. Different topic for different time.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. It is the drug that makes you feel full, but you never take in nourishment and you die of hunger. Oh, well. So this is interesting. The Wall Street Journal has is started a series called UA USA250 about the history of the country. And not surprisingly, at least at first, they seem to be concentrating on economic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Matters because of the 250th anniversary of the country coming up this next July 4th.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, indeed. Yes, thank you for resetting that. And today's feature. See how the average U.S. worker has changed over 250 years. Today's Americans earn more, work fewer hours, and are more likely to hold a service job, obviously than ever before.

[Jack Armstrong]

Many fewer powdered wigs, right?

[Joe Getty]

That too. Putting powdered wig makers out of business. AOC is going to bring those jobs back. Anyway, speaking of aoc, I had just broken my copy of Pinker's Fabulous Enlightenment now off of my bookshelf is actually under tarps because of our remodel. But. And I've got to either reread that or I can't remember if I highlighted it and bring some of that back to you because one of the main points of the book is that free markets have lifted billions of people out of poverty to astounding levels of comfort. I mean, especially in the Western world where the free market is most firmly established. But all over the country, globe poor people today are fabulously wealthy by the standards of a couple of hundred years ago. Three hundred years ago, certainly. And the fact that we're seeing this resurgence of the socialist message and young people are buying it now, I think it's vitally needed for those of us who believe in free people and free markets to really strongly make the case. So I'll be bringing you some Pinker coming up. But to that point back in. Wow, that's funny. I hadn't noticed that. This chart just goes back to 1890. And all of these figures are adjusted for inflation, obviously. Otherwise they'd be completely useless. In 1890, the average American worker was working 58 and a half hours a week. It's now 34.2 hours per week and making $15,600 annually.

[Jack Armstrong]

I assume that's adjusted for inflation.

[Joe Getty]

It is as. Yes, indeed. And now it's 64,000. It's gone from 16 to 64 working. What is that, 24 hours fewer per week? Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, you don't need to adjust hours for inflation. Ours are.

[Joe Getty]

American dream is dead. You can't make it. In today's society, capitalism is racist and exploitive. Or that is the biggest lie ever.

[Jack Armstrong]

Or as we're going to hear a little bit later, Bernie going on about oligarchs have taken. Oligarchs have taken over, ruined your lives.

[Joe Getty]

You know what's really interesting about that is the people who want bigger, more controlling government. That always results in the ultimate crony capitalism. Every corporation has to go to the government and beg and. Or bribe, you know, Soviet style. Big government's the worst thing you could do for lifting, actually lifting people out of poverty. It just addicts them to a minimal support, you know, amount of money.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do those numbers again.

[Joe Getty]

0, 0 chance to, to rise up the descendants.

[Jack Armstrong]

The numbers in. When was it? 1890.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but going back to just 1890, average salary, average earnings was about 16. Well, 15, 6. $15,600. It's now 64,000. And the hours work has declined. Hours worked rather has declined.

[Jack Armstrong]

And the kind of hours worked.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Back breaking 50 some hours. Grind your body down 60 hours versus you know, much, much easier kind of work. Oh yeah.

[Joe Getty]

And it's worth pointing out that that average worker would be dead at 55 on average. I mean between industrial and farm accidents, exposure to chemicals, whatever. During the Industrial Revolution, just on the eve of our revolution. Revolution. The then 13 colonies generated a gross income of just over 164 million in 1774, which comes out to $70 per capita, including to women's and children. When we were almost entirely an agricultural nation, 3/4 of our labor force worked on farms. About a third of the country's workers were enslaved.

[Jack Armstrong]

You know, it's not good that we now have Both parties, the Republicans have done a great job at getting the working class vote and, you know, winning a lot of elections that way. We got both parties convincing everybody that things are awful now compared to the 50s or pick your time period. Both parties do that and it ain't true. So it's not good to claim that things are so hard. You used to be able to, you know, dad, go to work and raise.

[Joe Getty]

You could get a job out of.

[Jack Armstrong]

High school and blah, blah, blah. All these different things that either weren't true or were true for a blip for, for a variety of reasons, or we always point this out, ignoring the fact that houses used to be a quarter the size, nobody left the country on vacation, everybody shared one car, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, it's absolutely true. But you know, it's funny, you, you were quoting somebody, I can't remember who, a number of years ago who said, read fewer books, reread more books. And I'm going to go back to Steven Pinker's enlightenment now, which is fantastic. And also I can't remember who wrote it. I cite it all the time. The myth of the rational voter, just to arm myself. Better to argue against, you know, A, despair and B, socialism. Because one of the points of the myth of the rational voter is that they, they did, you know, widespread tests, experiments where people got economics wrong at a rate far, far beyond chance. There's something about basic economics that at first blush, most people get wrong. Rent control is the perfect example of it, really. Any price controls, rent is really high. Brian Kaplan. Thank you. Katie. Wrote the myth of the rational voter. Rents are really high. The government is gonna step in and lower them and keep them there. Large majorities of people say good policy, then you can honestly explain to them what's wrong with the policy in 90 seconds that, well, wait a minute, people decide, I'm not gonna build, you know, anything for rent because I can't get enough to pay for my costs and blah, blah, blah. And so rent be or rental units become extremely scarce and prices are kept artificially low. And that's how you have a terrible crisis. And people go, oh, wow, I get it. But 90 seconds of explanation in modern politics, please. In the TikTok world, people nod off after the first 15 seconds. There's no way to run a republic.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I feel like that's even as simple as you just pointed out it is, is still a lot more complex than just expectations. And we got to get out of, we got to break out of this whole things are worse now than they've ever been in terms of lifestyle when it's the exact opposite. I don't know how we do that since both parties make a lot of money out of claiming it was so much better 20 years ago, 50 years ago, 100 years ago. Whichever. Whichever you want to pick.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's just not true.

[Joe Getty]

It's fraudulent. Yeah, it really is. Hey, one more, one more note on this after a quick word from our friends at Prize Picks. Oh man. My beloved 49ers were utterly incompetent yesterday. Should have taken the less on some player stat projections because that's all you have to do. It's that easy. You just pick more or less on at least two player stats. If you get your picks right, you could cash in with prize picks.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

And.

[Joe Getty]

All the employers have access to free labor. What does that do for you as a poor white person? There's miserable, terrible poverty among white people. The vast, vast majority of white people in the south were not slaveholders. They were living hand to mouth, you know, sharecropping and subsistence farming and living a life of poverty you can't even imagine. So you know, this is a perspective worth including in your analysis of how terrible slavery is. It just it distorts labor markets.

[Jack Armstrong]

So they got they caught two of the French jewel thieves that broke into the Louvre. They caught them yesterday. Two of them are still on the lamb. They haven't gotten the jewels back. My favorite stat about the World Series, among other things we got coming up. So stay here. Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[News Reporter]

A major breakthrough in that daylight heist of some of France's priceless crown jewels at the Louvre. A week on from that seven minute audacious robbery, the first arrest. French police swooping in at Paris's Charles de Gaulle airport Saturday night, detaining a French Algerian suspect who they say was about to board a flight to Algeria. Nearby, in a northern suburb of Paris, officers arresting another French man who they say was planning to fly to Mali, West Africa. DNA from a motorbike helmet left at the scene was matched to one of the suspects. The men who were known to police and had allegedly been linked to other robberies were then put under phone and physical surveillance. To that stolen jewelry has still not yet been recovered.

[Jack Armstrong]

So they got two of the four guys. They didn't get the jewelry. I thought it was interesting. They were headed to Africa. Has there been anything about whether or not the, you know, they got a thing going on in Europe and certainly in France, with populations that have come from Africa to live in France, is that. Are these people some of those.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. The, the one guy at least was Algerian. French Algerian. Now, what struck me was that the, the authorities, the, the cops are really pissed off that the arrests leaked. They wanted to keep them quiet so the other guys wouldn't be alerted, that, hey, we're on to you.

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

But somebody called, you know, Lemon or whatever, you know, the Paris Daily, and said, say I got some great inside sources and, and leaked.

[Jack Armstrong]

Arrested the guy on the plane.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's cutting it pretty close. How do they, how did they let it get that close to the, you know, getting out of the country?

[Joe Getty]

I wonder if that. And cops, I'm sure, could tell us if that established that he was going to flee.

[Jack Armstrong]

The tickets.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I know, I know. If they're under surveillance, what it's. What is the guy watching him? Say he's in his car.

[Jack Armstrong]

What do I do?

[Joe Getty]

What do I do? He's on the highway. What do I do? What do I do? He's at the airport. What do I do? What do I do? He's boarding now. Now he's in group two. What do I do?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right?

[Joe Getty]

And then finally the boss said, well, you probably ought to arrest him before it takes off. That seems odd to me.

[Jack Armstrong]

He's in the security line with a big bag of jewels. Call me back. Call me back. But the key really is getting the jewels back, right? I thought it was interesting that these People had been known to authorities before this heist with other robberies.

[Joe Getty]

Criminals.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. I'll be darned. Wonder if they're ever gonna get those jewels back or if they have. Some people have spec. Speculated have already been melted down and torn apart and separated and out of the country.

[Joe Getty]

Man, I. You know, granted, I'm not an Algerian robber, but I don't think I'd have it in me to take a chisel to those things.

[Jack Armstrong]

I know. That's funny that that affected my son. The historic part of it really bothered him that they would destroy that. Yeah. Napoleon iii. Got to keep that in mind. It's not the Napoleon. Napoleon III is a weak act. And read about it.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. It's like one of those oldies acts with none of the original members.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

One temptation and a couple other old guys. It's very similar to that. Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Just like it was. It was horrifying to me. You remember when the Taliban was destroying all the historical sites in Afghanistan throughout the Middle East? Oh, I was just sickened by that. Right. And then I found out in our tour of England that in, you know, the Dark Ages, The Middle Ages, 500 years ago, various English kings of various persuasions would, like, have all the priceless stained glass destroyed because they saw it as, you know, an idol. Idol worship. Christians did that back in the day, too. It's terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

Here's my favorite stat about the World Series, which I'm really into. And watch the first two games. Loved. There's something about the pace of baseball. If you can slow yourself down and really get into it and not, like, be fast forwarding through it or whatever. Wait, let the announcers lay it out. Think about, you know, where things are and what is the pitch gonna be? It's really.

[Announcer]

I just.

[Jack Armstrong]

I find it so. Something soothing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I would agree. But I would agree. I think it's a much more natural rhythm. Even with the pitch clock. Yeah, of course. The pitch clock has just restored what the game always was.

[Jack Armstrong]

True. Good point.

[Joe Getty]

Until the sports psychologist got a hold of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Anyway, first of all, I've been wearing my Dodgers hat around, and I'm not actually a Dodgers fan. My son and I went to a Dodgers game this year at. At the stadium and got to see a Shohei Ohtani home run. And I bought a hat, but I've been wearing around. And it's funny. I either get praise or hatred. Like, Dodgers at it. Like, it's lots of reactions.

[Joe Getty]

The second one's more appropriate, Polarizing deep.

[Jack Armstrong]

Their pitching staff is $1.3 billion payroll. If you add up their salaries over not just for one year, but their whole salary $1.3 billion pitching staff.

[Guest]

What?

[Jack Armstrong]

What is that?

[Joe Getty]

It's like the GDP of half the nations on earth.

[Jack Armstrong]

Unless you grew up in Los Angeles, you should not be rooting for the Dodgers $1.3 billion pitching staff against poor little Toronto. They're barely a country with other Dominicans and other people from other countries. It's not like they're a bunch of Canadians playing on the team.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, they're not exactly bargain basement either, but that's something.

[Jack Armstrong]

I look forward to the game tonight. Mandani is going to be mayor of New York. Had a rally over the weekend. Got a little stuff from that pretty good Armstrong yeti.

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[Jack Armstrong]

So we're gonna talk a little democratic politics here. And we'll start with what Kamala Harris said over the weekend. She did an interview with the BBC in which she told the interviewer that she is not done with politics. And she said, with my least favorite phrase in it, I have lived my entire career is a life of service, and it's in my bones. She said, oh, I like the way these people always present it like they're doing. You know, I could be out there in the private sector making lots of money and have just this wonderful life. But I've decided I'm all about public service. So I'm, you know, that that's what it is. It's not ambition and power and everything that goes with it.

[Joe Getty]

I could be running a car company that puts Ford to shame or starting an AI that makes Sam Altman look like a. But no, I've sacrificed myself to serve you. Who buys that crap?

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. A life of public service any.

[Joe Getty]

By the way, Kamala, having said that, please run well, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

So that. So Mark Halpern in his newsletter on Saturday morning had the MAGA reaction to that and the Democrat reaction to that. The MAGA reaction was awesome. Couldn't have asked for a better Halloween present. The Democratic reaction was f.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, my God.

[Jack Armstrong]

It's pretty funny.

[Joe Getty]

About accurate.

[Jack Armstrong]

Now on to Mandami mom, Danny Zoron.

[Governor Kathy Hochul]

That's Zoran.

[Jack Armstrong]

Zoran, as you're about to hear. So he had a big rally yesterday. Some of the biggest names in the progressive. Got to get my finger wet so I can grab this piece of paper. Some of the biggest names in progressive politics were there, including, you'll recognize, AOC's voice and Bernie's voice. And then the other voice you're going to hear first is Hochul, who is the governor.

[Joe Getty]

Governor Hochul, Yeah. Kathy Okal of New York.

[Jack Armstrong]

So you got the governor and then you got AOC and Bernie, who are as big as stars as there are for progressives here at this rally. I thought this was all pretty good.

[Governor Kathy Hochul]

Right now, our city and our state and our country are under attack by Donald Trump and the Republicans in Washington. The very forces that Zohran is up against in this race mirrors what we are up against nationally. Both an authoritarian, criminal presidency fueled by corruption and bigotry.

[Joe Getty]

Is that people want to know the answer to one very simple question. Is it possible for ordinary people, for working class people to come together and defeat those oligarchs?

[Jack Armstrong]

Listen to that enthusiastic Bernard Sanders that's an enthusiastic crowd right there. So the take on FOX about that was that was the big stars of that wing of the Democratic Party showing up saying, we're in charge now. This is the party. Get in line or get out of the way.

[Joe Getty]

I think that's a pretty accurate take.

[Jack Armstrong]

I think it probably is, too.

[Joe Getty]

And then tell me the noted moderates that everybody that has anywhere close to that enthusiasm, you got to call me. Call Hakeem Jeffries to the stand testifier, Chuck Schumer or who.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right, so it's fairly recently that the governor there came out and endorsed him. They had been holding off. And Jeffries, the leader of the Democrats in the House, he came out over the weekend and finally endorsed Zoran that Zorron.

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Zahra.

[Joe Getty]

Zahran.

[Jack Armstrong]

Is that the way we're supposed to say it? Apparently. I like that thing that they do on the left. It's, it's just another different way of saying we make the rules. You're not doing it right about everything.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And you, you need to get in line with us. And if you're not saying it, I mean, what's implied there with all that sort of stuff is if you're not saying it like this, I mean, NPR does this all the time. When they talk about anything that's the least bit Hispanic, they roll their Rs. I mean, so what's implied there is if you're not doing this, you're kind of a racist, really.

[Joe Getty]

If you're not rolling your Rs, if.

[Jack Armstrong]

You'Re not saying Zoran the way I, you're kind of really a bigot.

[Joe Getty]

But it's only like Muslims and Hispanic. Nobody says, you know, the shooting was carried out by Luigi Mangione. Nobody freaking does that. Or, oh, twas Sean o' Kelleher who did it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nobody effing does that.

[Joe Getty]

It's only the chosen groups where you're trying to convince everybody else they're bigots. Next time somebody goes into an Irish brogue to pronounce an Irish name, call me at home anytime, night or day, you bunch of phonies.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is very, very true and an excellent point. Bill Maher, on his show on Friday night was making the point that this is not good for the Democratic Party and getting pushback from some of his guests. But he sounded the alarm saying this. I think the whole Democratic Party in the country is on the ballot and the whole country will be looking at the race to see which way the Democrats are going to go. I think he's right. I Think Zoran is going to become the face of the party with Zoran, with AOC and Bernie at his side, which. Bring it on. You try it out. Bill Maher bringing up the point that. Well, I'll just read what he said. How do you not renounce your citizenship to Uganda where they imprison gay people or kill them? They imprison gay people for their sexual orientation. How do you not renounce your citizenship there? And Cuomo actually has asked Mandanmi Zohran on the stage about that. He had some long winded answer, why, that's his heritage or something or other. But, yeah, that was what Bill Maher said. The issue now that Andrew Cuomo is bringing up in New York is that Zoharan is a Ugandan citizen. Uganda is a country where they kill homosexuals. I would renounce, if I was a dual citizen with a country whose policy was to kill homosexuals, I'd renounce that citizenship. The crowd cheered, But.

[Joe Getty]

And there are pictures of Zahran smiling, embracing. I think we're right next to the very guy who pushed those laws.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Marxists just lie and they lie and they lie. And he's one. He's that rare. You know, I'm always talking about the Red Green alliance, the, the Marxists and the Islamists. He's like, you know, two, two, two for one. He's an Islamist Marxist.

[Jack Armstrong]

The CNN host who is pushing back against Bill Maher about Zoharan said that this is all race baiting. A lot of this with Zoharon.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sure it's bigotry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bill Maher said he campaigned this week with a guy who was an unindicted co conspirator in the 93 World Trade center bombing and served as a character witness for the terrorists who organized it. So I just, just don't know how this is a good look for the party. Bill Maher said, I agree. Yeah. So bring it on. Let's see how it works.

[Joe Getty]

One of the great developments of the last, I don't know, several years is that if somebody makes a point about, you know, what we're talking about or Islamism or whatever, and they're hit with the, you're a bigot, you're an Islamophobe that just has no weight anymore. At least, you know, it hasn't to me for a very long time. But I'm getting the feeling that more and more people respond to that with shut up.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, let's hear. Let's go with 81. I'm sorry, Mike. Let's hear Mandani himself at the end of his rally yesterday.

[Mandani Zohran]

Let our words ring out so loud tonight that Andrew Cuomo can hear them in his $8,000 a month apartment. Let them ring so loud so that he can hear us even if he's in Westchester this evening. Let them ring so loud that his puppet master in the White House hears us. New York is not for sale.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, I, I only have heard that crowd crowd like that a couple of times. Barack Obama, Bernie Trump and Mandan.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah. Although it's definitely at the point now where that philosophy is being run up the flagpole because it's not big enough to win election yet. Except in a place like New York City and many movements wither and die.

[Jack Armstrong]

It'll never win nationally. Not a chance. That's why it's so exciting if you want them to lose.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because it is going to get that kind of cheering lots of places around the country. But it ain't going to ain't going to win nationally. And you know, how lucky is he get to get to have an opponent that I couldn't hate more. And you ought to hate Andrew Cuomo is that. Yeah, he does have an $8,000 a month apartment because he's a completely corrupt family politics. He's closer to an oligarch than anything Bernie's ever been around. And I love you.

[Joe Getty]

And a multi generational.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, he's just a horrible human being. So Mandani gets to run against him. So I. In case you haven't heard this clip, this is Mahmoud Mamdani, the father of Zohran, in a speech he was given.

[Guest]

America is the genesis of what we call settler colonialism. And the American model was exported all around the world. Abraham Lincoln generalized the solution of reservations. They herded American Indians and into separate territories. For the Nazis. For the Nazis. This was the inspiration. Hitler realized two things. One, the genocide was doable. It is possible to do genocide. That's what Hitler realized. Second thing Hitler realized is that you don't have to have a common citizenship. You can differentiate between people. The Nuremberg Laws were patterned after American laws anyway. The US put Indians in reservations. The US invented the model.

[Jack Armstrong]

So in case you didn't follow that, Hitler learned his genocide from Abraham Lincoln.

[Joe Getty]

Because Lincoln in the 1860s invented the idea of taking land and pushing the people on there off of it. Not true. Signed both David and Goliath in the Testament Old when one group was trying to take the land from the other group and sent an army to accomplish it. You would have to Be hilariously ignorant to believe that. But that's what they push. And college kids have been thoroughly indoctrinated. They fall for it. I mean, that is truly amusing.

[Jack Armstrong]

The United States invented settler colonialism is when you take over some land and you start settling it and then you end up running it, owning it. That your culture taking over that culture that was not invented by the United States. It is hilarious. Are you kidding me? Wow. That is the history of the world.

[Joe Getty]

5,000 years ago. That was old hat. Please.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, yeah, you could go the way Homo sapiens likely displaced your people with the big foreheads.

[Joe Getty]

Neanderthals.

[Jack Armstrong]

Neanderthals.

[Joe Getty]

I pronounce it properly.

[Jack Armstrong]

But okay, this is a stupid conversation to have. You all know this. But so. But to get to go on an interview show or wherever the hell he was and say that the inspiration for Hitler was Abraham Lincoln.

[Announcer]

Yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's your dad, Zoran.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Radical Marxist professor.

[Jack Armstrong]

What would be a good analogous thing on the right for any candidate's dad to say that they. That they would surely have to answer for? I mean, because that's a crazy thing to say. I don't even know if I can come up with something.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know. One of your wackadoodle anti Semitic tropes or.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know. It's so crazy.

[Joe Getty]

That is hilarious.

[Jack Armstrong]

So that's. His dad is a professor and his mom was a artsy filmmaker. Is that right? Yes.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Quite wealthy.

[Jack Armstrong]

But that's the household you grew up in, where Hitler's the. Abraham Lincoln's the inspiration for Hitler. That's the way. I didn't grow up that way.

[Joe Getty]

And dude has never had a job. All he is is glib. He's an articulate Marxist, period. He's talking. He's got people just fawning over him.

[Jack Armstrong]

He was talking last week because of Columbus Day, about how when he used to drive by the Columbus statue there in New York City, he would flip it off all the time. All right.

[Joe Getty]

That's a powerful, powerful gesture, yes.

[Jack Armstrong]

Michael. That was crazy. But we have luckily, a sane AOC here.

[Governor Kathy Hochul]

Jews escaping Holocaust, black Americans fleeing slavery and Jim Crow, Latinos seeking a better life. Native people standing for themselves, Asian Americans coming together in Queens, in Brooklyn, in the Bronx, in Manhattan, in Staten island, in this country.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

All right.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. That's way yay.

[Jack Armstrong]

There's a lot of energy there, though.

[Joe Getty]

I'm telling you. Stupid, stupid energy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, my God. If I was a Democrat, I would be so worried about how.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, their head is in their hands right now.

[Announcer]

Oh, yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Behind the scenes, Chuck Schumer's like, what are we going to do? He's thinking, I'm old. My time is no country for old men. I'm going to retire. She's going to be the next senator. Good luck with that. That's what he's thinking. Okay, we got to take a break. We're out of time. We got a lot more on this. Stay tuned. Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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[Jack Armstrong]

There's a lot of colored hair and piercings in this little panel here. It's that crowd and they're, they're very heavy set. People discussing fat In America. And here's how it went.

[Joe Getty]

I have a question.

[Jack Armstrong]

Can you tell me what category of fat I fit in?

[Katie]

So it's based on your shirt size. If you are a 1 or 2x, you are small fat, 3 to 4x you are mid fat, 5 to 6x you are super fat is based on what level of privilege you have in the world. So someone in a small fat category may not struggle getting on an airplane, but someone in a mid fat or super fat may not be able to use even the airplane extender. So that's where that comes in. And like, the privilege levels of, like, what that means to different people.

[Jack Armstrong]

Katie, your head is in your hands. I just wondered why you're.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Just shut up. She dropped the P bomb. The word privilege kind of privilege you.

[Announcer]

Have because some people can fit in an airplane seat.

[Joe Getty]

What?

[Jack Armstrong]

It's interesting. You got a crowd of really big people and the. And the. The super big people are blaming the kind of big people for having privilege and not recognizing.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, this is uncomfortable. Uncomfortable for me because my new funk band is named super fat. We spell it with pH. Super fat. Anyway. Yeah, okay. All right.

[News Reporter]

God.

[Joe Getty]

You people.

[Jack Armstrong]

God. So if I'm just pretty fat, like, it's uncomfortable to sit in the seat of the airline, but I don't need an extender.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then I'm told I need to take on some sort of shame for my privilege. I've never understood the privilege thing because I don't know what you're supposed to do. I don't know what you're supposed to do. Even if I agree with you, which I don't, but even if I agreed with you, what am I supposed to do now? Just sit here and feel bad? I mean, is that help you somehow get bigger?

[Joe Getty]

Keep eating? No, the literal answer is you're supposed to give them power over you. They are in charge because you have had privilege. So now they are in charge. It's like I and James Lindsay are always saying. All this stuff is. It is masquerading as a moral philosophy. It's a tool of conquest. I am going to call you racist or privileged until I am in charge.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wasn't it interesting the way the main person there laid it out? Like this is just scientific. I mean, this is well documented. You know, if you're an xl, you're a level one fat. If you're. I mean, all this different stuff you.

[Joe Getty]

Just started throwing out. I know. Yeah. Pseudoscience. So coming up. Venezuela used to be incredibly affluent and beautiful. Socialism ruined it. Also sounds pure prurient, but it's not. Human beings will soon be breathing through their butts.

[Jack Armstrong]

And what?

[Joe Getty]

Female spies are waging sex warfare in Silicon Valley? Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's our worst tease ever. Armstrong and Gettysburg.

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