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Jack Armstrong
Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln radio studio, the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack.
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Armstrong and Joe Getty.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty. And now here's armstrong and getty.36 air traffic control facilities have reported staffing problems. That includes the towers at Chicago o', Hare, Dallas Fort Worth, Phoenix, Sky Harbor. Huge hubs for American Airlines. You can also have the towers at San Francisco and LAX to the list.
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Joe Getty
This is all on the heels of.
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Jack Armstrong
The worst weekend for air traffic control staffing since the shutdown began. Yeah, we're at day 42, the shutdown. It's going to end, but it hasn't officially end. So we're on day 42 and the flight problem is still big. 3,000 cancellations on Sunday, 2,500 yesterday and off to a bad start today. And they don't know how long this is going to last. I still don't quite get the lots of air traffic controllers retired. You had a life plan and then you altered it because of the shutdown. You retired early.
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Joe Getty
What?
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Jack Armstrong
I don't get it.
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Joe Getty
I mean even a year early because of this mess up. That'd be odd. But it happened I guess.
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Jack Armstrong
Apparently. Anyway, I'm looking up at all your big. There are 1200 cancellations so far today. I don't know when you're going to be listening to this. This is going to be a problem for a while. Sure hope they get it straightened out before the biggest traveling week of the year. Thanksgiving obviously, which is coming up kind of soon.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
Another big story around sports. I didn't realize the Winter Olympics are 12 weeks away. We're getting close.
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Joe Getty
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
And they're somewhere. Somewhere snowy I assume. France.
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Joe Getty
Where are the winter and be a good idea.
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Jack Armstrong
Grok that for us, will you Katie? Where are the dang Winter Olympics? But anyway.
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Joe Getty
Italy I think. Or was that last time? It doesn't matter.
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Jack Armstrong
Some. Some place snowy is be a good thing it. Yeah, probably not. Jamaica, Milano, Cortina.
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Joe Getty
I win.
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Jack Armstrong
Congratulations. So the Winter Olympics coming up in Italy. They going to do the whole trans thing this time around. Here's a little bit of that.
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This sounds like a really big change.
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Jack Armstrong
Potentially Nick.
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Guest or Expert
This would be big, Anna. It would be a huge policy shift for the ilc, which until now has. Has led each sports international governing body set their own policies centered on transgender inclusion. It would also mark a big change from the ILC's 2021 framework, which said there should not be a presumption of advantage when it comes to trans athletes.
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Jack Armstrong
So they were running scared last Olympics, like lots of people were, didn't want to be on the wrong side of this and said some things that they knew were wrong and crazy, like you just heard. And now I've changed her mind. Here's one of the spokespeople for the Olympics next in order. What I would like for the IOC to do is to bring everyone together to try and find a consensus amongst. Amongst all of us that we can all get behind and that we can implement and above anything and everything else, it's fair and protects the female categories. They're all about protecting the female category. She's new and she got elected on the idea of I'm going to protect women's sports, which is code for, we ain't gonna let dudes participate in our women's sports.
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Joe Getty
Well, of course you're not gonna let men in women's sports, then. It's not women's sports. As virtually all of humanity that got bullied into silence.
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Jack Armstrong
You know, in most cases, all these conversations that are going on are, how do we handle this without being in trouble politically, as opposed to what's the right thing to do? You might have a couple true believers, you know, at your high school in California or something like that. But mostly it's how do we handle this without causing a firestorm? And here's the reasoning behind it all.
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Guest or Expert
The ILC will issue the ban sometime early next year, citing a new scientific review that found evidence men have a permanent physical advantage over women athletes, even after hormone therapy. However, the Guardian newspaper says the ban could still be a year out and that the IOC is facing pushback to a possible ban on athletes who reported female at birth but have male chromosomes and the same testosterone level as men. Also known as differences in sexual development. That would include athletes like South Africa's Caster Semenya, who won gold at the London and Rio Games before track and field's governing body, World Athletics, banned DSC athletes from competing as women in. In 2023.
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Jack Armstrong
DSC. Different sexual characteristics or whatever you said.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
I like this new study that came out that said men have an advantage over women. That's a good scientific study. I Wonder who did that?
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Joe Getty
How much did you spend on it? Tell me about the methodology. That's hilarious. That they had to hide behind a new study. Good Lord. Instead of ancient wisdom. You know, it strikes me everything you've.
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Jack Armstrong
Learned since you were a little kid on the playground going forward is the new scientific study.
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Joe Getty
So I was reading about the women's soccer league. They've had a controversy lately, and it's all centered around this one player who is much bigger and muscular than all of the girls on the field. Looks like a dude, plays like a dude, built like a dude, et cetera. It's a similar case to Caster Semenya, who they mentioned, who has internal testicles. It was one of these rare.
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Jack Armstrong
That'd be awesome. Get them out of the way. Oh, I like having testicles. I just don't want them in the way.
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Joe Getty
I see. Thanks for clarifying. So. But that's one of the extremely rare cases where sex assigned at birth is a phrase that makes any sense because these are people with both sets of.
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Jack Armstrong
Genitals, meaning no faults of their own.
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Joe Getty
No, of course not. No. So she has both ovaries and testicles and has much, much higher testosterone. Like that the Turkish fella who was whooping up on the girls in the boxing last time around, too. But, you know, and. And it's funny how. So what do you.
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Jack Armstrong
What do you think we should do with people who have testicles and ovaries?
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Joe Getty
Oh, it's a shame. But they can't compete in women's sports. And that's the point I was about to make. The left, always. It's funny, they just are crazy about individual rights, except when it comes to individual rights that conservatives like, then they have no interest in them. It's all about the community. But yeah, I feel terrible for those people if they want to be athletes. But they can compete as men are in an open category. You can't beat the crap out of women because you are functionally, athletically speaking, a man.
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Jack Armstrong
According to a new study, there's an advantage by being a man.
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Joe Getty
Oh, speaking of this sort of thing, I just finished reading the piece by Colin Wright, who's terrific writer. He writes about this sort of thing. He was an academic scientist at Penn State in 2020, and there was that crazy explosion in adolescent transgenderism among young girls. And he commented two words, social contagion. Within hours, his colleagues denounced him as a transphobic bigot. And the online mob came from him before him and crushed his academic career. And he talks about how he was referring to research published by a scientist who had coined the term rapid onset gender dysphoria in 2018, a peer reviewed paper, blah, blah, blah. And that the pattern was clearly explained by social contagion, the spread of ideas or behaviors through peer influence. And there are other examples, whether it's cutting or anorexia or whatever. Teen girls are just incredibly prone to that sort of thing. But then he gets to the fact that the left wing dogma that gender identity is innate and immutable, people are born as transgender, they're not convinced by a trend or whatever they're born. And that claim underpins the medical practice and the legal strategy. Puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, mutilations of kids, minors and the rest of it. And the civil rights argument. So then he makes the point that the dominant argument to the counter argument to the social contagion theory is that the sharp rise in transgender identification over the past decade simply reflects liberation. Right? People are more comfortable expressing their authentic selves. That has been the argument. As transgender activist and biologist Julius Serrano put it in 2017, there really wasn't a rise in left handedness so much as there was a rise in left handed acceptance. That's an interesting premise, isn't it? People were free to be who the f they were. As John Oliver put it on his last week tonight. But then Colin points out, if transgender identity were an innate trait like left handedness, we would expect identification rates to rise at first when it became socially acceptable, then plateau and remain stable at a fixed level. If the phenomenon were instead driven by social contagion, we might expect a boom and bust pattern, a spike followed by a rapid decline once the social forces driving it were weakened. And indeed, that has become incredibly clear. Transgender identification has fallen 50%. 50% in two years among college students and adolescents. A couple of different studies. It was clearly a social contagion and people who got their careers ruined for saying it wasn't, good lord, were you a victim of an angry wrong mob.
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Jack Armstrong
I'm glad left handedness didn't catch on as a social contagion. And have a hard time pretending I was left handed, eating, tying my shoes, whatever I'm doing.
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Joe Getty
Yeah. And then he points out that the overwhelming majority of those driving the trans mania fall into the non binary category, adopting identities which are said to be neither, both, somewhere in between, demi boy, gender fluid, two spirit. These are social identities, not biological ones. Unlike right handedness or left handedness, Non berry, non binary identities have no anatomical or a physiological reference. They're conceptual, political, and responsive to cultural trends or hallmarks of a social contagion. Case closed. Bam. Next case.
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Jack Armstrong
Man, I'm looking at the dust up that happened in Berkeley. I wish I'd have gone last night. I was thinking about going. It's only whatever it is, 45 miles from my house, but I had some kids stuff going on. But it got pretty spicy there outside the turning point event in Berkeley last night. Who are the needed?
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Joe Getty
You there fighting antifa. And what did you do? You stayed home?
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Jack Armstrong
What are the. Who are these numbnuts that show up to fight this stuff? Just let them. Let them gather and speak. What is it? What's the skin off your nose?
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Joe Getty
They're actually convinced that they're fascists. They believe. And that's. That's. I have to remind myself of that semi regularly. And it's true. On the right, but especially on the left, there is a significant group of people that believes the most lunatic rantings of activists. They believe it.
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Jack Armstrong
You're willing to get into a fistfight over somebody speaking in an auditorium.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, you're. You're the fascist. I mean clearly, let's see, you dress up in a uniform, you go to the opposition events and you beat people up and call them fascists.
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Jack Armstrong
Right? The people inside having the. The speaking engagement.
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Joe Getty
It's the lack of appreciating the irony that offends me the most.
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Jack Armstrong
I want to stand up for the Armstrong and get a pickleball paddle when we talk about the store when we come back.
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Joe Getty
Okay.
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Jack Armstrong
Because there's time to buy stuff in the Armstrong and Getty store if you want to get it in time for Christmas.
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Joe Getty
Speaking of rhetoric, the phrase cheap Chinese pos has been thrown around Jack.
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Jack Armstrong
Not by me having now just handed held it in my hand. So I'm gonna stand up for it and lots of other news of the day. So stay tuned.
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Joe Getty
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Joe Getty
When asked yesterday during the Fox broadcast of the Washington Commanders game who his favorite team was, President Trump said, quote, so I love the jets and I love the Giants. Wow. You know, you can just say you don't like.
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Jack Armstrong
So what's going on with the NFL? We're talking about Broncos, Raiders. Sunday night was a. Was it 107 and then last night you had the Eagles and Packers. The Eagles won 10 7. The first touchdown was scored in the fourth quarter. Did they change the rules in the NFL or something? That's not the way the NFL has been for the last, I don't know.
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Joe Getty
Decade and a half, 300 yards long now. They forgot to announce that. That's crazy. You think there's betting going on?
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Jack Armstrong
No, but it's just. It's just weird. It's a football of my youth. That's what NFL used to be.
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Joe Getty
Three yards and a cloud of dust.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. Anyway, first touchdown in the fourth quarter. Yeah, networks can't be happy about that.
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Joe Getty
I do love punting. That was a great game. Said no one ever.
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Jack Armstrong
Armstrong and Getty store is open. So some of you buy stuff for your family or friends for Christmas. If they're fans of this here radio program, it's just.
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Joe Getty
Or for yourself. I feel like it's one for me.
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Jack Armstrong
I feel like it's one of those great. Excuse me. Easy gift. Checked it off, didn't cost you much.
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Joe Getty
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Jack Armstrong
Seems like you did something nice. Was really easy.
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Joe Getty
There will be laughter, tears, hugs. You will be the belle of the ball.
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Jack Armstrong
You go to the Armstrong and Getty store and Hanson, who runs the damn thing, is really pushing people to do it soon to make sure you get everything in time for Christmas. There was some talk about the Armstrong and Getty pickleball paddles. I thought it was pretty funny that we had them. And then there were some complaints about them and Hanson brought one in. And I don't have any idea what a really high quality pickleball paddle is like. I have them. I bought mine at large five, I think, but they're just like this. There's nothing wrong with this. This is perfectly fine. Unless you like, get serious. Serious about pickleball this is gonna be absolutely fine. What is wrong with this?
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Joe Getty
This isn't.
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Jack Armstrong
Doesn't feel like cheap Chinese crap. It feels like something quality to me. I like everything about it. And it comes with this cool carrying case. Although they're sold out, so they're. I don't know why I'm even talking about it. We're sold out of the pickleball pedals. Armstrong can get a pickleball, but not anymore. Not anymore. They're gonna be back anyway. Go to the store and see what we got.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, we put the lash to the Chinese slaves and they made several more of them.
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Jack Armstrong
What if we had adult items? Like the sort of thing people were throwing on WNBA courts at one point, like marital aids. Just go on it for novelty purposes only.
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Joe Getty
Take A and G to bed. Yes. I love that idea.
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Jack Armstrong
Anyway, you know, we need to branch out. We need to have more things.
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Joe Getty
They're probably not as popular as the hoodies. Including the new conscience of the nation hoodie star of the lazy stupid should hurt. Including the F y' all looking party, which I wear proudly. Or stocking stuffers, A and G coasters, decals, coffee mugs, stainless steel water bottle, or the get your words straight jack notebook. That's all at Armstrong&Yeti.com. anyway, that's enough of that.
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Jack Armstrong
I'm trying to figure out what to do for my kids this year. They're definitely the age. They're almost 14, almost 16. They're definitely past the age of more cheap Chinese crap. There's just no reason. So either an experience or like, accumulate the money into one actually worth something gift. I think this year. God, when they're younger, it's just endless piles of cheap Chinese crap is what they get when they're little kids. And they're delighted. And that's fine. And it is cheap.
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Joe Getty
Well, it was always interesting to me that we would give our kids the same beloved toy that we had, but you'd take it out of the package and instead of feeling like it could last a hundred years, it's cheap Chinese crap.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah.
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Joe Getty
Come on.
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Guest or Expert
China.
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Jack Armstrong
Definitely the modern version of something you played with as a kid that is just so flimsy and light and poorly made.
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Joe Getty
Exactly. Yeah. Oh, speaking of China, we ought to get to that. China's really rushing to catch up and pass us on a couple of pretty compelling AI stories in the news today definitely are.
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Jack Armstrong
That can't wait to talk about. Among other things that we got coming up. And I do want to get some of the audio from the turning point event in Berkeley. You know, the Charlie Kirk crowd trying to get together and the antifa types outside not wanting them to get together and speak for some reason and fighting cops and setting off smoke bombs and I just. I just don't get it. I don't get you people.
- [23:24]
Joe Getty
Which side is trying to shut down free speech that the answer to that question tells you who's the good guys and who's the bad guys. It's all you need to know.
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Jack Armstrong
That seems so obvious to me. I can't believe it even needs to be said. But it needs to be said for a lot of the media, apparently. More on the way. Stay here.
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Jack Armstrong
Hey, Optimus, what are you doing there? Just chilling, ready to help. Hey, Optimus, you know where I can get a Coke? Sorry, I don't have real time info, but I can take you to the kitchen if you want to check for a Coke there.
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Joe Getty
Oh, yeah, that'd be great. Yes, let's do that.
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Jack Armstrong
And then it just stands there.
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Joe Getty
Let's go. Awesome.
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Jack Armstrong
Let's head to the kitchen. Okay.
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Joe Getty
Okay, go. I think it's. I think we need to give it.
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Jack Armstrong
A bit more room. Okay, so that's the voice obviously of Elon Musk right there, who said we need to give it more room there. They were standing too close. I guess. You can take that down, Michael. They're standing next to Optimus as they were all going to go to the kitchen to get a Coke. And Optimus, who's just standing there looking at him eyeless and Elon said, I think we need to back up a little bit. Anyway, my takeaway from that video was we ain't even close yet. We're not even close to robots taking over yet. Now it's moving pretty fast. Maybe it'll be exponentially better in a year. I'm sure it will be. But the fact that Elon has got a trillion dollar incentive package now from Tesla and he's focusing mostly on Optimus, the AI robot, more than the electric cars. Mm, I. I don't know. It seems like we're a long way away. Where do I get a Coke? I don't know where to get and it stops, gets hung up, don't have.
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Joe Getty
Real time information, sort of glitch, has no idea.
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Jack Armstrong
And then it just stands there. It's. I thought it would be further along than that, didn't you?
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Joe Getty
Wait a minute. I just googled where do people keep Cokes? It suggested the refrigerator, which is often in a human kitchen. Let's go to the kitchen. All right, let's go. You go first.
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Jack Armstrong
I'm not trying to come off as guy who mocks technology, thinking it'll never. Because I'm sure it will be a thing eventually, but it's not as close as I thought. But didn't you think that Optimus robot would be more impressive than that?
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Joe Getty
Yeah, yeah, certainly before you trotted it out to do what they just did.
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Jack Armstrong
Right, right, right, right, right.
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Joe Getty
You know, I'm reminded of Elon trotting out the cyber truck for the first time and saying, and the windows cannot be shattered. Boom. He shatters the window.
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Jack Armstrong
So this article, we got a couple AI stories for you. This article in the Wall Street Journal today about China's push to catch up with and surpass the United States is flipping troubling. For instance, this paragraph, the escalating AI race is drawing comparisons with the Cold War and the great scientific and technological clashes that characterized it. It is likely to be at least as consequential. The AI race between US and China is going to be at least as consequential as the Cold War between us and the Soviet Union, if you're old enough to have lived through that. Holy crap. China realized that all the big AI was going to be the next big thing, maybe the next big only thing on planet Earth. And it was way behind OpenAI, Google, all the American companies that were doing so well. And then they decided we got to do something. And they've done a whole of nation effort to try to catch up and poured a ton of money into it and relaxed all kinds of regulations, which is highly troubling.
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Joe Getty
Well, even silenced concerns. You know, just, hey, quit talking about safety and what's best for humanity. We don't have time. I mentioned my favorite quote in the articles from JD Vance, and he argued this in February. The AI future is not going to be won by hand wringing about safety.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, he's right. I understand what he's saying. What he's wanting to say is China and Russia, mostly China, because China's got the money to put into this. China's gonna do whatever the hell they want. And if they beat Us to the punch on this. It ain't gonna make any difference that we tried to be ethical and safe about it. It ain't gonna make any difference.
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Joe Getty
And I'm certainly the wrong guy to ask this question, but I find myself wondering, can their AI essentially crush our AI if it gets to, you know, whatever critical stage first, it can mess with our efforts and our programs and databases and the rest of it to the point that it blows ours up.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, it could be some sort of like on purpose effort like that. But I take in a ton of AI information, reading and listening to podcasts with the smartest people in the world talking about this. The more likely concern is without any attempt whatsoever to ethically control, just gets loose on its own and gets into computers and travels around the world and just kind of does its own thing and then, then the genie is out of the bottle, which is pretty much inevitable.
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Joe Getty
How do we prevent that, though? I mean, even if we're first. Oh, we can't. Okay, never mind. Can't be done having your. Your organs harvested. I mean, because even if we beat them to the punch by five years, when they catch up five years later, unless our AI can trump their AI, they will unleash it. And the, the hell you were speaking of.
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Jack Armstrong
I suppose my big first of all, that paragraph about the Cold War, I find just like, bone chilling. I don't, I, I don't feel like the population is taking this like the challenge that it is, the way the Cold War was. I mean, my dad grew up hiding underneath his desks in rural Iowa in case the Russians dropped the bomb. But it was on their radar that we were in a, you know, fight to the death with a foe that was close enough to our equal to have to worry about it. I don't feel like people feel that way about China and AI. The average person doesn't have any idea any of this is happening.
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Joe Getty
No, no.
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Jack Armstrong
Which is troubling, I think. My, I guess my.
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Joe Getty
We're better off that way. I mean, because if we spend all of our time terrified of our. If our AI overlords, that's no way to live. Instead, you'll be going about your business. One day you'll turn around, there's a robot behind you, you'll think, wow, that's weird. Then it'll sever your head. I mean, just like that, and you won't have suffered the fear.
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Jack Armstrong
Hard to imagine no ahead.
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Joe Getty
But what are you gonna do?
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, well, I suppose worrying about it, not much you can do about it. Um, I was gonna say, as a, as a guy who cares about his money, I worry about the economy and what's gonna happen and whether or not this is all a bubble and it's gonna completely collapse. And it is chip companies trading money with AI companies back and forth and investing each other and it could bust. And it doesn't turn out to be what they said.
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Joe Getty
But the.
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Jack Armstrong
Well, that one of the other lead stories that I've got for today, the right here. Yan Lucun is Meta's chief AI scientist, the top gu AI for Zuckerberg, who has spent tens of billions of dollars. I think he spent $100 billion on this project. His lead scientist is leaving and starting his own company. All of these people, including the Chinese, can't all be wrong, can they? That it turns into a dot com bubble where it's like, oh, I guess AI is not going to be profitable or do anything. So never mind.
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Joe Getty
Gosh, I wouldn't think so.
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Jack Armstrong
You wouldn't think Elon and Zuckerberg and China and everybody else could be wrong about this? So that's what leads me to believe that this is going to be a thing unfolding in front of our eyes.
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Joe Getty
At some point and then looming behind us and severing our heads.
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Jack Armstrong
So you say that all the time, which is funny, but do you, do you have a real world sense of bad things that I could do?
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Joe Getty
Well, it goes back to the commonly spoken theme of AI decides the only thing impeding it is human beings, or the only thing impeding the planet being at peak health is human beings. I mean, those are the two classic why they would sever our heads.
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Jack Armstrong
And then even if they don't do that, what if it wipes out 75% of jobs?
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Joe Getty
Well, right, right. Yeah. And then political turmoil and revolution in the streets, et cetera, et cetera, while you're fighting robots. Great. Oh, yeah, no kidding. Wow. So, a couple more quick AI notes. I thought this was really interesting. The Wall Street Journal reporting that Anthropic, which is the company behind Claude, expects to break even for the first time in 2028. By contrast, OpenAI the chat GPT folks plan they're forecasting their operating losses that year 2028 will be about $74 billion. They will lose $74 billion in 2028, or roughly 3/4 of revenue thanks to ballooning spending on computing costs. And they don't think they'll. They're going to burn through roughly 14 times as much cash as Anthropic before turning a profit in 2030. But certainly don't take my word for it through the Wall Street Journal. Invest carefully.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. And then you've got the story of Amazon that never made any money and was losing money like crazy. And I remember all about it, never turned a profit and everything like that. And obviously came to dominate the landscape in so many different ways eventually.
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Joe Getty
And then. I'm sorry, Michael, what's. What'd you say to us? Oh, price picks. Yeah, in just a second. Coming up in one more AI note from a website I'd never heard of, sent to us by alert listener Hillbilly Saving country music dot com. The headline is AI Songs top Billboard chart. Why we need transparency now.
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Jack Armstrong
Okay, I want to hear that about that shiznizzle.
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Joe Getty
Are you kidding me?
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Jack Armstrong
Tell you what, cutting off my head, taking everybody's jobs and ruining country music. Well, this is no good.
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Jack Armstrong
Handsome, rugged yet sensitive.
- [38:53]
Joe Getty
Yes. How'd you know? You must have seen this picture. But do we expect Congress to address this existential crisis facing human creators? They're saying we should do something about it. Attempt to install some guardrails and guideposts and expend at least a modicum of effort to at least make sure the public is aware of what is AI and what is not.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah, there's some effort by lots of people that you have to declare something. An AI creation. Do you think that makes any difference? You dig in a song, oh, it's AI well, never mind then. I don't know. I either like it or I don't like it. Do you think I like it more if it turns out it's a human? Maybe. Maybe I find out it's some 34 year old former drug addict, was in jail. You know, I'm thinking of a what's a guy jelly roll type of story or something like that that. That hooks you.
- [39:43]
Joe Getty
Yeah. Because the sentiment in the song seems much more real. You've asked the key question. That's a super interesting question. Will people still enjoy it? This guy's advocating any piece of music made by AI or even partially made by AI must be to close to such to the public, period. So like if you use AI to clean up the baseline, I don't know, because your bass player is drunk or something. I don't know. Because evidently this Breaking Rust song Walk My Walk top the Billboard country digital song sales chart. An AI track was number one song in country.
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Jack Armstrong
I'm gonna listen to that during the break.
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Joe Getty
Please do.
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Jack Armstrong
We can't play it for copywriting reasons. But I'm gonna listen to it during the break, see what I think.
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Joe Getty
Yeah.
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Jack Armstrong
We'Re headed into a weird world. Yeah.
- [40:34]
Joe Getty
Yeah. I don't know.
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Jack Armstrong
And everybody's guessing, but the people with a lots of money, like the richest people on earth are guessing that it's going to be a big deal and going to be profitable. I don't know if there are any super wealthy people are saying, nah, this is overhyped.
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Joe Getty
I don't I'll be in the woods if you need me.
- [40:51]
Jack Armstrong
Yeah, well good luck. The AI robot that currently can't find a coke will be able to find you in the woods and chop off your head for whatever reason.
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Joe Getty
Look honey, look at that squirrel. Zeros and ones flashes in his eyes. It descends down about me yeah, exactly.
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Jack Armstrong
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Joe Getty
Hey, listen to this. Gen Z is posting tik toks of.
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Jack Armstrong
A new challenge where they do nothing.
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Joe Getty
But sit in silence for as long as they can.
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Jack Armstrong
Or as your grandparents call that life. Speaking of tech, so before we went to break, Joe mentioned this country song that's on the top of some charts and it's AI. And so we both took a listen to it. We can't play it because it'd be a violation of something. But so, but before I tell you what I thought of this AI song that's at the top of the charts. Is it all AI? Is that what you're saying? It's entirely a I saw.
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Joe Getty
I believe so.
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Jack Armstrong
Yeah. So the dude on the COVID is a made up picture. The voice is AI, the instruments, the writing, all of it is there.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, I don't know if the. There's probably somebody who wrote the lyrics, just. But maybe not. I don't know.
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Jack Armstrong
Having listened to it, that is highly troubling.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, it sickened me.
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Jack Armstrong
That is way too good. That is. Why, why would anybody try at this point? Well, why would anybody try to become famous and make money at it if you want to make music? I do it every day. I. At home, I play the piano in my bedroom, in my underwear. I do that all the time. But could have left that last part out. AI isn't going to replace that. But, but any, any I'm going to.
- [45:32]
Joe Getty
Make it onto the charts.
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Jack Armstrong
I don't know if there's any point in that anymore.
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Joe Getty
Yeah, I'm, I'm. I'm already very, very cynical about pop music. And it occurred to me that a lot of us of a certain age, we had the unbelievable experience that we took for granted that pop music, which was entirely a commodity. I mean, anybody who was actually a creative artist was exploited and thrown away by the money guys. It was just again, a corporate commodity. And then there was a brief and wonderful period of, I don't know, 10 to 25 years where the art was dominated by actual creative artists, at least to a significant extent. It still was corporate, but there was a hell of a lot of creativity. And now, and I'm not saying there's no creativity left, but pop music is so corporate. There's so much money to be made. The formulaic AI they might as well be AI. Song factories are so efficient. The underwear models lip syncing to the music are so good looking in the rest of it. It's easy to be very, very cynical about it. Having said that, the lyrics of this song in particular are a person who has had some very painful times in their life pouring out their soul. And the fact that that is cranked out by a computer because they know you like that sort of thing, makes me want to vomit.
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Jack Armstrong
That's a good point. The fact that. And a chat bot picks up. Oh, okay, people, people have angst and pain and that sort of thing. I'll write about that. Yeah. When it comes from somebody who's had that same feeling and we have that, we have that in common as a human being. Oh, you felt that. I'm feeling that right now. Thanks for writing about it. When it turns out it's a computer completely, you know. Yeah.
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Joe Getty
One of my, one of my favorite songs by one of my favorite bands. The, the, the writer and singer happens to be a gal is talking about, you know, being, you know, self destructive in love and drinking way too much. And the line is, maybe I'll find my maker on the bedroom floor. Which is a hell of a line. Maybe I'll meet my maker. I think it is. Anyway, to hear that somebody just cranked that out because the computer algorithm said that would, that would be compelling. I don't know.
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Jack Armstrong
Just.
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Joe Getty
I. My skin is crawling, my guts are churning. Maybe I ate something bad for dinner last night. But. Yeah, that's. That's awful. It's not good, it's not funny, it's not amusing.
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Jack Armstrong
So Google hired some AI guru to come over. They spent $2.7 billion to buy character AI. And then this guy had a whole bunch of posts about how he doesn't believe the whole trans thing is real. And so Google tried to shut him down, having just spent $3 billion on his company. And that became it. So they got a, they got a awoke problem within the Google AI stuff, so that'll be something. China is not worried about that I guarantee you. China's attempt to be the dominant AI force on earth is not worried about the politics of the individual employees, right?
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Joe Getty
Speaking of wars, man, is the Democratic Party at war with itself over the end of the shutdown? Man, some strong stuff being said.
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