That Is Reason Enough To Jail You

Summary

Podcast Summary: Armstrong & Getty On Demand
Episode: That Is Reason Enough To Jail You
Date: April 6, 2026
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode sees hosts Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty return after the Easter weekend, diving headfirst into a rapidly unfolding set of events centered on US-Iran tensions, an unprecedented American military rescue in Iran, and the broader media and public perceptions around these crises. The show is characterized by its trademark mix of irreverence, sarcasm, candid news analysis, and a glass-half-full vs. glass-half-empty worldview debate.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Media Discrepancies in Reporting the Iran Crisis

• [00:52] - [02:00] Jack Armstrong notes only News Nation is focusing heavily on a supposed U.S.-Iran ceasefire deal brokered by Pakistan, while mainstream outlets seem to ignore it.
  • “The lead story every hour was ceasefire deal between Iran and the United States, but nobody else is talking about it.” (Jack Armstrong, 01:40)
• Katie Green checks CNN, which only reports "Iran rejects temporary ceasefire." This sets the tone for the episode’s skepticism about mainstream media narratives.

2. “Glass Half Full vs Half Empty” – American Achievements Amid Crisis

• [02:00] - [04:54] The hosts pivot to national pessimism, citing a rear admiral’s positive framing:
  • America has sent humans farther from Earth than ever and executed a world-class rescue.
  • “That guy pointed out two things that are clearly true.” (Jack Armstrong, 03:25)
• Andy Kessler’s Wall Street Journal column is referenced:
  • “He’d had enough about the defeatism. It was like, what are we doing here? Look at all the great stuff that’s happening.” (Joe Getty, 03:37)

3. The Daring Rescue in Iran – Details & Reflections

• [04:54] - [14:13] The rescue mission of an American airman ("gunner" or WSO) who survived ejection and hid in Iranian mountains is discussed in depth:
  • Climbed 7,000ft, evaded capture for two days, signaled intermittently.
  • “Can you imagine? That’d be a long two days completely when you’re banged up.” (Jack Armstrong, 05:13)
  • “Ultimate story of harrowing survival and military prowess in rescuing him.” (Joe Getty, 05:34)
• News reports and prediction markets are mentioned:
  • “Prediction market on whether or not we would rescue the dude... That shouldn’t be something people are betting on.” (Jack Armstrong, 07:08)
• International comparison:
  • “If we had a pilot stranded like that, we would have to call the United States and ask if they could get them out.” (Jack Armstrong, quoting London Telegraph, 04:26)
• Later, details of the rescue reveal:
  • CIA deception campaign to buy time.
  • SEAL Team 6 and other forces executed the mission without a single US casualty.
  • “Most complex search and rescue mission that has ever occurred in US history.” (Griff Jenkins, Fox News, 24:45)
  • Special tech was used to locate the airman, details classified (Joe Getty, 29:33).

4. Trump’s “Open the Expletive Strait” Rhetoric and Impending Military Action

• [08:19] - [10:54]; [27:40] - [29:33] The hosts repeatedly revisit and have fun with Trump’s Truth Social post:
  • “Open the effing strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in hell.” (Voice Actor, 08:19)
  • Discussion of the President’s style—provocative, sarcastic, arguably effective with adversaries.
    • “Did I throw back my head in laughter when I saw it? Abso-freakin-lutely... Is it entertaining? Yes, yes, yes.” (Jack Armstrong, 08:56)
  • The morality and impact of such rhetoric, followed by contemplation as to what U.S. military action will look like—“significant but limited mission” versus "overwhelming" force.
    • “Would you like to talk now? No? Okay, here we go then. Another round.” (Joe Getty, 10:20)
    • “Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day all wrapped up in one in Iran. There will be nothing like it... Open the effing strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in hell…” (Jack Armstrong, quoting Trump, 27:41)
• Media coverage and humor about news anchors using or censoring the language: “Jake Tapper on CNN apparently read it fully... If you can’t defend to the FCC, this is what the President of the United States said about a war, I mean, if that’s not something people should be able to hear, I don’t know what is.” (Jack Armstrong, 28:31)

5. Modern Warfare Ethics and Strategy

• [06:00] - [10:54] Ethical dilemmas about targeting civilian infrastructure, war crimes, and prediction markets.
  • “Trump is clearly a war criminal. Electricity... can it be used for a nice Iranian mom’s blender? Yes, it can. It can also be used to manufacture drones.” (Joe Getty, 06:00)
  • “That shouldn’t be something people are betting on, is it? That seems weird.” (Jack Armstrong, 07:14; on prediction markets)

6. News Headlines: US Upward Mobility, AirBnB Food, and Social Trends

• [12:20] - [16:47] Katie Green summarizes headlines:
  • “More Americans breaking into upper middle class” (Wall Street Journal, 13:21).
    • “A lot of disappearing middle class stuff is because people have moved up.” (Jack Armstrong, 13:27)
  • "Engagement rings now seen as a financial burden" (Study Finds, 16:09).
  • "AirBnB leftover food debate" sparks a lighthearted chat (14:13):
    • “Absolutely. Eat it.” (Jack Armstrong, 14:38)
    • “With some hot water, you sicko. What the hell?” (Joe Getty, 14:54)
  • Satirical items from Babylon Bee, e.g., "NASA regrets stocking ship with Chipotle" (16:14).

7. Military, Rescue, and Ejection Technicalities

• [20:30] - [22:25] Insights into what it’s like to eject from a fighter jet and the stresses faced by downed pilots.
  • “Ejection from a fighter jet is a very violent maneuver... you’ve got to land on the ground, and that may cause other injuries. Then... survive, evade, resist, and escape.” (Expert/Analyst, 20:46)
• Discussion of Air Force PJs, elite rescue units ("the highest trained" yet rarely publicized).

8. Public Sentiment, Historical Context & Quotes

• [26:00] - [34:07]
  • Freedom-loving quote of the day: Hemingway on war necessity—“Once we have a war, there is only one thing to do. It must be won. For defeat brings worse things than anything that can take two for defeat brings worse things than any that can ever happen in war.” (Joe Getty quoting Hemingway, 31:26)
  • Listener emails on military rescue units, moon “dark side” myths, and a personal anecdote about GLP-1 weight loss drugs curbing social media addiction and other compulsive behaviors.

9. Comic Relief, Personal Asides, and Cultural Commentary

• [11:48] - [35:55]
  • Jack’s “room temperature water” habit is lampooned—“Is reason enough to jail you.” (Joe Getty, 11:59)
  • Armstrong’s sad Easter at IHOP, AI news to come (31:14)
  • Commentary on moon exploration, NCAA scores, and engagement ring pressures.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On media confusion:
  “So CNN’s got that, but I don’t know.” (Jack Armstrong, 01:58)

• On American capability:
  "We put human beings farther from Earth than has ever been done…we pulled off a rescue mission that no other country could possibly do." (Jack Armstrong, recounting Rear Admiral, 02:35)

• On negativity in media:
  "People just howling angrily, bitterly about the glass 18% empty." (Joe Getty, 03:25)

• On international comparison:
  “Our rescue plan, if the airmen were British, would be to call the U.S.—correct. That’s an embarrassing situation to be in.” (Jack Armstrong quoting London Telegraph, 25:42)

• On Trump’s rhetoric:
  "Open the effing straight, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in hell." (Trump [Voice Actor], 08:19)

  • “Is it entertaining? Yes, yes, yes, it’s very entertaining.” (Jack Armstrong, 08:56)

• On AirBnB food:
  “Absolutely. Eat it.” (Jack Armstrong, 14:38)
  “With some hot water, you sicko. What the hell?” (Joe Getty, 14:54)

• On ejection trauma:
  “Ejection from a fighter jet is a very violent maneuver.” (Expert/Analyst, 20:46)

• On war:
  “Once we have a war, there is only one thing to do. It must be won. For defeat brings worse things than anything that can ever happen in war.” (Hemingway, quoted by Joe Getty, 31:26)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Iran ceasefire media confusion: 00:50 – 02:00
• Glass half full discussion: 02:00 – 04:54
• Rescue mission and U.S. capability: 04:54 – 06:47
• Trump’s Strait of Hormuz post and analysis: 08:00 – 10:54; 27:40 – 29:33
• Military action speculation: 10:54 – 11:44
• Rapid-fire headlines segment: 12:20 – 16:47
• Rescue technical details and reflections: 16:54 – 25:42
• Freedom-loving quote of the day (Hemingway): 31:26
• Mailbag listener input: 31:59 – 35:55

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Tone and Style

Throughout, the hosts maintain their irreverent, energetic style, mixing gallows humor and sharp, sometimes sardonic commentary. They regularly pivot between in-depth analysis, comic relief, and a skeptical eye on media and government narratives.

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Conclusion

The episode thoroughly dissects the breaking geopolitics of the US-Iran crisis, exploring both hard news and the cultural/media underpinnings shaping public perception. It celebrates American capability and resilience, mocks defeatism, and keeps the entire discussion grounded with a blend of skepticism, fact-checking, and candid humor.

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For those who haven’t listened, this episode is a rapid-fire, insightful window into how news, foreign affairs, and national mood collide—with both the gravity of world events and the levity that has defined Armstrong & Getty for years.

Transcript

[Joe Getty]

This is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed human

[Announcer]

broadcasting. Live from the Abraham Lincoln radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

[Joe Getty]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And now here's Armstrong and Getty. He is risen. And welcome to another live presentation of the Armstrong and Getty program for a brand new week with so many open questions out there. But today, today we're toiling under the title of the show open the Flocking

[Joe Getty]

Straight, you crazy bastards, or I'll see you on the dark side of the moon.

[Jack Armstrong]

How y' all doing? Welcome. How was Easter weekend? Fantastic, man. Five o' clock tomorrow, things don't. Things don't get settled. Five o' clock, west coast time tomorrow, gonna start blowing the crap out of everything. According to the President of the United States.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

So here's something I'm confused at, though. I don't know, maybe Katie and Joe have information I don't have. So I go around all the news channels, stuff like that, before I get to work. Only News Nation, as far as I can tell, cable channel, is reporting a looming peace deal or ceasefire deal between the United States and Iran that's being brokered by Pakistan. Fox ain't talking about it. MSNBC ain't talking about it. I can't find it in the Washington York Times or anywhere else. Have you seen this story?

[Joe Getty]

No. I saw a vague reference to talks continuing, but Katie, that's their lead.

[Jack Armstrong]

The lead story every hour because I record three hours that I then watch the beginnings of before I come to work. Their lead story every hour was ceasefire deal between Iran and the United States, but nobody else is talking about it. What do you know about it, Katie?

[Katie Green]

At the top of CNN, it says Iran rejects temporary cease fire.

[Jack Armstrong]

So CNN's got that, but I don't know.

[Joe Getty]

I don't know.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, so I don't. I don't see that anywhere else. So nobody else has taken that seriously. Anyway, so I'll move off of that because I had a plan on what I wanted to say. The. The old saying, glasses half full, glasses half empty sort of thing, I don't think gets enough attention.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Jack Armstrong]

Because the idea of it is here you have a fact, you have a glass half full of water, two people look at it, come away with completely different views of where things stand with

[Joe Getty]

the same facts, choosing to emphasize the positive or the negative.

[Jack Armstrong]

Exactly. So I'm bouncing around the news today, taking in lots and lots of negative. And there was this rear admiral, former rear admiral, that was on one of the cable news channels. I think it Was News Nation actually. And he said over the weekend we put human beings, the United States put human beings farther from Earth than has ever been done. And, and we pulled off a rescue mission that no other country could possibly do. That is quite a statement about this country. And I thought, wow, hear, hear. Same facts. Glass, you know, is half full. All this other information negative about the United States and how bad things are and how crappy we are and everything like that. That guy pointed out two things that are clearly true.

[Joe Getty]

And I've run into in my personal life and also scanning the media, of course, people just howling angrily, bitterly about the glass. 18% empty, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Right. Mostly full glass.

[Joe Getty]

I mean, if it were half, I could understand the ambivalence. But yeah. Andy Kessler in the Wall Street Journal share some of this with you later. But he absolutely brought the thunder. He'd had enough about the defeatism. It was like, what are we doing here? Look at all the great stuff that's happening. Look at the amazing country we have, the amazing economy. Are there challenges? Of course there are challenges. That's what life is. Stop with the defeatism.

[Jack Armstrong]

But how about those two things? That rescue mission, that was just unbelievable

[Joe Getty]

and I would also argue illustrates our regard for life, the morals with which we operate.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then today we don't leave a

[Joe Getty]

man behind in a country that slaughtered 30, 40,000 of their own people, machine gunned them for begging for freedom.

[Jack Armstrong]

Then a day later we're going to see the other side of the moon for the first time because we got Americans out there in a way that no other country could even come close to doing. The London Telegraph yesterday had a story from their analysts saying if we had a pilot stranded like that, we would have to call the United States and ask if they could get them out. Sure, that would be our only option as well. If they had a fisherman who blew

[Joe Getty]

an engine, they'd have to call the United States to go out into the ocean and get them.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is quite. I'm sure we're going to learn more over coming days, weeks and years. Probably make a movie out of it. The rescue of that dude, gunner or whatever he was in the back of the plane, spent two days on the run in Iran. Can you imagine? That'd be a long two days completely

[Joe Getty]

when you're banged up. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Climbed 7,000ft from surface level in a mountain and hiding and hoping he could get rescued and all that sort of stuff. And we'll talk more about that later. But wow, that, that is quite the story.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. He had to Signal where he was, but intermittently so the Iranians couldn't track him down. Just.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Ultimate story of harrowing survival and. And military prowess in rescuing him.

[Jack Armstrong]

So unless this peace deal that Pakistan is talking about is a bigger deal than it seems like. Looks like we're going to blow the living crap out of Iran tomorrow, starting at 5:00, clock west coast time.

[Joe Getty]

Prime time, it would seem.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. In prime time. Exactly.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, that's nice. Yeah, yeah. Everything's on the table, Jack. There are discussions about what are and are not war crimes and attacking civilian infrastructure, blah, blah, blah. Trump is clearly a war criminal. Electricity. Can it be used for a nice Iranian mom's blender? Yes, it can. It can also be used to manufacture drones. So where are we? Well, something something international law. I mean, speaking of glasses half full and half empty, that'll be a good one. They'll be howling about that on the lefty media.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're right about being prime time, Michael. So he waits until not tonight, because he got the NCAA final tonight.

[Joe Getty]

Right.

[Jack Armstrong]

So then. And then we got a little lull before the NBA playoffs start next week. So he. He really, really handily put this you in Iran tonight.

[Joe Getty]

Would be bad programming. It would just be terrible, bad planning.

[Jack Armstrong]

USA versus Tehran. That tournament starts tomorrow night and we'll be watching that on television. I know, I know who I'm betting on.

[Joe Getty]

That's a one in a 16, I'm afraid.

[Jack Armstrong]

By the way, did you see that whole prop bet thing? You know, that's so controversial right now. What do they call that? The something markets.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, the prediction markets.

[Jack Armstrong]

Prediction market on whether or not we would rescue the dude.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Get him out alive. That shouldn't be something people are betting on, is it? That seems weird.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, it's troubling. Obviously you can't stop them from doing it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Apparently not.

[Joe Getty]

The number of times there have been a headline or a story about ethical legal sports fixing problems with the prediction markets or sports betting in general. I mean, it's a drum beat. It's like every day.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, that's something. Okay, so we should start the show officially, because that's worth talking about. I'm Jack Armstrong, he's Joe Getty on this. It is Monday, April 6, the year 2026. I almost forgot what year it was. I want to say four. I wish it was.

[Joe Getty]

That happened to me the other day. I Wish it was 24.

[Jack Armstrong]

I was so much younger then.

[Joe Getty]

I couldn't decide if it was 26 or 27. Honest to God. Wow. There in too many years.

[Jack Armstrong]

We are, how you say, elderly. They're 20, 26. We are Armstrong and getting. We approve of this program.

[Joe Getty]

All right, after careful stretching, let's begin the show officially, according to FCC rules regs. Here we go at mark.

[Voice Actor]

Open the expletive straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell.

[Joe Getty]

Open the effing straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell.

[Voice Actor]

Trump ended the post praise be Allah.

[Jack Armstrong]

For some reason. For some reason, I really enjoyed the serious journalists reading that on the various shows yesterday.

[Joe Getty]

Are you calling network TV anchorettes serious journalists? Open.

[Jack Armstrong]

Open the. In which the president posted. Open the effing straits, you craz bastards.

[Joe Getty]

And the praise be to Allah. Oh, boy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Do I think it's a good idea for the President to do that? Probably not. Am I really upset about it? No. Do I think it's, you know, gonna have any effect on anything? Not really. Did I laugh? Did I. Here's the other one. Did I throw back my head in laughter when I saw it? Abso freaking lutely. Is it entertaining? Yes, yes, yes, it's very entertaining.

[Joe Getty]

My eyes got wide and my jaw dropped. I cannot claim laughter, but yes, I was entertained.

[Jack Armstrong]

I laughed heartily. Trump actually put out a post yesterday saying, open the effing straits, you crazy bastards. Which is probably what he's saying walking around the White House like we've been talking about this for the last couple weeks. He assumes that everybody's going to do, you know, in their best interests, that they aren't religious nutjobs willing to die for their cause. Who would do that? That's crazy, right?

[Joe Getty]

Or a giant criminal organization that gets 25% of everything, including the rebuilding. As I've pointing out, pointed out before, as long as they can hold on

[Jack Armstrong]

to power straight, you crazy bastards, or

[Joe Getty]

there'll be hell to pay. I like the message.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you think that we actually start just completely blowing up all the bridges, power plants, everything? Starting tomorrow afternoon, I suspect there will

[Joe Getty]

be a significant but limited mission of knocking stuff out and then a little. How'd you like that? Would you like to talk now? No. Okay, here we go then. Another round.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I feel like we've been through the. What'd you think of that? Thank you, sir. May I have another round?

[Joe Getty]

This is the next step, though, bringing their economy to its knees, truly, because most of the other targets have been, you know, military practical targets as opposed to, I don't know, your entire country.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't think I'm Expecting a little thing like you just expressed and then I wouldn't call it. I think it's going to be overwhelming.

[Joe Getty]

You think they're going to take out every bridge and power plant in the country or what? Or around the big cities?

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, just in the last hour, it was announced that the IDF has carried out a strike against Iran's petrochemical facility. That is. That is now 85% of Iran's petro. Petrochemical exports have been wiped out. 85% with the plant we took out before and now with this one taken out.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is getting close to all of it.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Yeah, well, that's. That's what I'm saying. Handful of heavy blows as opposed to hitting like 500 targets. That's what I suspect.

[Jack Armstrong]

So we got Katie's headlines on the way and lots. Hopefully we'll talk to Mike Lyons a little more about this later. And of course, a bunch of non Iran stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Take an effing break, you crazy bastards.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we'll do that. That now. See in a few.

[Voice Actor]

Open the expletive straight, you crazy bastards.

[Announcer]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

I go to the water dispenser to fill up my bottle. I fill it up half with the ice cold, half with the boiling hot to get it to room temperature, which is the temperature I want for my water. And then that's what I drink.

[Joe Getty]

Is reason enough to jail you. Yeah. For real. Maybe put you in a mental institution. Yeah. I don't.

[Katie Green]

I will never understand.

[Joe Getty]

Well, if you came in wearing like. I don't. Never mind. We got to get to Katie. Let's figure out who's reporting what. It's leave story with Katie Green.

[Katie Green]

All right, the Alphabet networks, NBC, Iran war, ceasefire for 45 days, quote being discussed. ABC Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps says straight up, Hormuz will never, never revert to a pre war state. And Fox News, Iran war nears completion as Trump is eyeing a deadline.

[Jack Armstrong]

I listen to a great podcast about the Hormuz Strait. I'll talk about that a little bit later. Its role in history and the options going forward. It may never be what it was before. That's a possibility. Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Better pipe that oil across the land then.

[Katie Green]

From Forbes, US Rescues missing seriously wounded officer from fighter jet shot down over Iran.

[Joe Getty]

Again, we'll fill in some of the details. It's amazing. Daring, dangerous. And thank God it was successful.

[Jack Armstrong]

And again, two days. That's a long time to sit up in that mountain knowing they're closing in on you. And if they find you, it ain't gonna be pretty.

[Katie Green]

From the Wall Street Journal. More Americans are breaking into to the upper middle class.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's a good story. Got all the percentages on that. Let's talk about that later too. A lot of disappearing middle class stuff is because people have moved up.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right, right. And the poor numbers of the poor are shrinking rapidly. It's again, the glass is 83% full.

[Katie Green]

USA Today. Savannah Guthrie returns to today's show as search for Mom Canadian continues.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I didn't know if she'd ever come back.

[Joe Getty]

I heard that. I have a feeling she's glad to be back at work.

[Jack Armstrong]

That'd have to be weird after I'm sure focusing on that almost and solely for the last however many weeks. Start talking about and Katy Perry has a new album out today right

[Katie Green]

from the Washington Post. To eat or not to eat. The great Airbnb leftover food debate.

[Joe Getty]

What? What's the debate?

[Katie Green]

Well, people will buy groceries to stare in a stay in an Airbnb and then when they don't use stuff, they leave it in the refrigerator. And the Internet is arguing over whether you should eat it or not.

[Jack Armstrong]

Absolutely. Eat it.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it depends what it is. I mean, if it's like a half a hamburger or something, probably not. But if it's the ketchup in the

[Jack Armstrong]

fridge, heck yeah, I need to have a hamburger. Does it seem reason?

[Katie Green]

Of course you would.

[Joe Getty]

Of course. With some nice room temperature water, you sicko.

[Jack Armstrong]

With some hot water, you sicko. What the hell?

[Katie Green]

From the New York Post. Gavin's first partner is a new Sons.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, Jennifer Siebel, Nuisance. I love that. I'll be stealing that one for the rest of my days.

[Jack Armstrong]

I saw that headline and I did not get it. Okay, new songs.

[Joe Getty]

She's a new. She's got. She's got a new progressive documentary coming out too, that she will force California schools to show to indoctrinate your children and make her charity many zillions of dollars.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, and the reason she's in the news again, she put out an Instagram post over the weekend about the patriarchy that is just fantastic. So we got to play that for you later.

[Katie Green]

From study finds 2 in 3Americans agree that engagement rings have gone from a symbol of love to a financial burden.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, that's great. That is great news. If you decide that that whole two months of your salary thing is designed by the jewelry company and there is

[Joe Getty]

a certain requirement among some females, I believe, that their ring be visible from outer space.

[Jack Armstrong]

To show something. Show that you did well and finally,

[Katie Green]

from the Babylon B, after second toilet break, NASA starting to think that stocking the ship with Chipotle might have been a mistake.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Chipotle was the official sponsor of the moon trip. I didn't realize that.

[Katie Green]

I was more shocked that the toilet broke again. Yeah, that's a crappy situation.

[Jack Armstrong]

Got to jiggle the handle. Like I said last.

[Joe Getty]

That's not funny at all. Yeah, I've actually got more on the technical difficulties of introducing liquids into a vacuum. Jack, if you'd like to know more.

[Jack Armstrong]

Going to get some great Other side of the moon picks today too.

[Announcer]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Griff Jenkins]

It was a Herculean effort to bring the Colonel to safety and an extraordinary effort for him to evade capture. For nearly two days prior to locating the Wizzo and the Department of War's daring rescue, the CIA first launched a deception campaign, spreading word inside Iran that US forces had already found him and were moving him on the ground for exfiltration out of the country. President Trump said the rescued colonel had been injured, but said he would be fine. It is likely the injury came from the initial ejection.

[Jack Armstrong]

First of all, that's a really good idea. The whole, oh, we got him. And getting the word out on that.

[Joe Getty]

Interestingly though, the Iranians kind of didn't believe it because they put out an official announcement saying, hey, if you find either of these guys or one or both of them, don't kill them. Bring them to us. We want us. We want them. At the same time though, the CIA says there were clear signs that they had to devote some resources to seeing if it was true. So is at least partially successful.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, I didn't realize. So this morning we went through a full. Like we actually got them. I mean, we had all the, all kinds of people moving around in boats and everything like that. Like we were moving a person out of there.

[Joe Getty]

It's fabulous.

[Jack Armstrong]

It wasn't just, it wasn't just psyops like with words. They actually did the operation as if they're getting the guy out of there so they could observe it from, you know, all the different ways you'd observe from space or whatever else. Martha Raddatz goes on on ABC about

[Griff Jenkins]

the rescue to see 130 aircraft, according to officials got stuck in Iran. American troops forced to intentionally destroy both to prevent them from falling into Iranian hands. The US then sending in replacement aircraft to bring the American teams back to safety.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's an interesting point of conversational weekend long of the whole we dominate the airspace base. They don't have the ability to do anything anymore. Yet they shot down quite a few of our planes. So I, I guess there's something called air dominance versus air supremacy. And we have the first one, not the second one.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. The fact that they got that fighter is troubling. The C130s, I think, were damaged on landing because it's like a dirt airfield. But nonetheless, there's still a risk, obviously.

[Jack Armstrong]

And what do you think the Iranians would have done if they'd have captured the dude?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, at the very least, beaten him down very badly and then paraded him around and then used him as a hostage for negotiating purposes?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that would have been bad.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, terrible.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump would not have responded well to that, though.

[Joe Getty]

I would agree. And look, this is not some sort of carte blanche maga. Everything he does is right statement. But we, for the very first time in a very long time, have a president will say, oh, you want to escalate? Let's escalate. Which is how you de. Escalate against bad actors.

[Jack Armstrong]

What is that the. They used to talk about with Nixon? The madman theory of diplomacy.

[Joe Getty]

That's how I always got out of sports parking lots. I'm crazier than you are, and I would make people believe it and they would let me in. This was back in the. The wild days of the. The like the early 80s when sports parking lots were not nearly as expensive and b. Professionalized as they are now. Back to Iran.

[Jack Armstrong]

So plane gets shot down, pilot ejects. He's rescued very quickly. The gunner in the back ejects. He is not rescued. And as you just heard there, he spent two. Two days on the run. What's it like to eject from a fighter jet? Here's an explanation.

[Expert/Analyst]

Ejection from a fighter jet is a very violent maneuver. You've got to land on the ground, and that may cause other injuries. Then you'll hit the ground and really then have to assess a whole lot of things about yourself, about the. About where you are. And then, you know, the first thing you know, Survive, evade, resist, and escape.

[Jack Armstrong]

I don't know if you saw those pictures of the. Looks like a chair sitting in the dirt of the ejection seat when you land. Can you imagine what that would be like psychologically, though? Because I assume it would be just, you know, you'd be. All of a sudden, you'd just be sitting in the desert and it would be perfectly quiet and still, and you'd be sitting there. Who knows what level of injured. Rattled beyond rattled.

[Joe Getty]

Sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Trying to figure out okay, how close are they? What are they going to do when they catch me? What do I do now? What was my training? Blah, blah, blah. But oh my God, that'd be a crazy situation.

[Joe Getty]

Starting with the fact that, you know, it's funny, they portray ejection from fighters in movies as like, you know, kind of a amusement park ride type experience. But no, you're exploded out. Your seat is blown out as the cockpit or the canopy is lifted and you're ejected into space and you hope the para, the parachute opens. But yeah, it's the incredibly violent experience. And then as you said, then it's training, training. They each of the fellows armed only with a pistol. I'd seen some stuff online about this incredible like M16, like, you know, array of weapons they each had. And I'm like, wait a minute, that's, that's not even possible. And sure enough, it was just complete bunk. But it's the days we live in.

[Jack Armstrong]

If we get the chance to talk to Mike Lyons, I want, I'd like to ask him. So if you were, if they were closing in on you, would you want to try to fight them off or are you better off surrendering, being captured? I wonder what you're supposed to do.

[Joe Getty]

That's a good question.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. And you also wouldn't know what they're going to do. You don't know exactly who's getting you. Is this just some random hill people or is this the IRGC with official orders from above and concrete plan to use you for propaganda purposes? Or is this just some mountain people are going to beat the crap out of you and kill you, take your stuff.

[Joe Getty]

Although interestingly enough, these mountain people. And it's funny, I'm picturing like guys playing bluegrass with long beards.

[Jack Armstrong]

Probably not.

[Joe Getty]

Probably no bluegrass, long beards, probably. But anyway, in this region of Iran, they hate the regime and so they thought that was really to the advantage of our guys because the locals were not particularly inclined to help the, the regime guys at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

Interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Thank God for that. Yeah,

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Before I restate how the Brits would handle if they were in this situation with a pilot down. This is what we did. According to Griff Jenkins of Fox, this

[Griff Jenkins]

was by far the most complex search and rescue mission that has ever occurred in U.S. history. At Annapolis, at the Naval Academy at West Point, they will be studying this for years. And here's the real remarkable part of it is that in all of it, even as they came under fire for that airstrip they'd set up and it was a tough fight, I'm told from my sources they got out without a single US casualty.

[Jack Armstrong]

And when you look it was more than 100 guys involved in a full on firefight with whoever it was, bad guys, Iranians with guns to get to get out of there. This was what they said in the London Telegraph over the weekend, an opinion piece. Britain couldn't have done this. We do not have the platforms, the satellites, the reach or the mass. Our rescue plan, if the airmen were British, would be to call the U.S. correct. That's an embarrassing situation to be in.

[Joe Getty]

So a couple of more details. Iran had land launched several search parties to find the guy and do God knows what the meanwhile, battered by the force of the ejection, the off weapons officer waited. He'd wedged himself into a crevice 7,000ft up into a mountain because he knew both forces were looking for him and racing to find him. Quoting from the New York Times Now a military official described the weapons officer signaling is intermittent. The first task for the military was to make sure that the person signaling was the weapons officer and not someone in Iran who had found his equipment. Meanwhile, the CIA in Langley was developing a deception plan to buy the US military more time. That's what we were talking about spreading the word and conducting actions as if we were whisking him out via road already. The US Military officials, to Jack's point, were in the final stages. At that point, as Trump was online making threats, they were in the final stages of preparing a vast and complex rescue mission that involved about 100 special operations forces led by elements of SEAL Team 6 with Delta Force commandos and Army Rangers on standby if needed. A far larger conventional force made up of helicopters, surveillance planes, fighters and aerial tankers was ready to provide support if necessary. So hundreds of troops were ready to spring into action if it became necessary.

[Expert/Analyst]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that is absolutely something. And then Trump yesterday did an interview with Axios in which he said, again, the negotiations are going well. It's an open question as to what. To what extent there are actually any negotiations going on, and I don't have any idea. But Trump said the negotiations are going well, but you'll never get to the finish line with the Iranians. There is a good chance, but if they don't make a deal, I'm blowing up everything over there. That's what he told Axios yesterday. I'm blowing up everything over there.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Jack Armstrong]

And then his truth social post, which we, you know, got the world's attention. Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day all wrapped up in one in Iran. There will be nothing like it. Three exclamation points. Open the effing straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah. President Donald J. Trump, the positive. What was the Praise be to Allah.

[Joe Getty]

What was that?

[Jack Armstrong]

I think there was just a little

[Joe Getty]

touch of sarcasm there.

[Voice Actor]

Open the expletive straight, you crazy bastards.

[Joe Getty]

I thought it was interesting that he went with I'll say truck in to keep our ourselves on the air. Truck in as opposed to trucking Straight. He went with.

[Voice Actor]

Open the expletive straight, you crazy bastards.

[Joe Getty]

He went with in apostrophe.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Jake Tapper on CNN apparently read it fully. He didn't use expletive or whatever. He just said the word which I stand behind as. And we should, too. If we were maybe earlier in our career, maybe we would. Or less lazy. Because if you can't defend to the fcc, this is what the President of the United States said about a war. I mean, if that's not something people should be able to hear, I don't know what is. Why would you dance around the words from the commander in chief in a threat to another country about a war

[Joe Getty]

which can be read on virtually Every news site that exists verbatim right now as we speak. Yeah, actually, I think we could get away with it, but we would have to follow a careful strategy.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Open the straight, you crazy bastards.

[Jack Armstrong]

But he actually said it.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, he did, clearly.

[Jack Armstrong]

Which he should, Jake, because I mean, I mean, part. Part of the story is the fact that the President said that.

[Joe Getty]

I would agree. One more detail from the rescue which I found intriguing. So it took hours to determine the exact location of the weapons officer, determine it was him. Military officials, listen to this. Were assisted by the CIA, which used a special piece of technology unique to the agency to locate the airman hiding in the mountain crevice and confirm his identity.

[Jack Armstrong]

So all we get is we got a device.

[Joe Getty]

What kind of device?

[Jack Armstrong]

Useful One new piece of. New piece of technology we didn't know about.

[Joe Getty]

No, no. And we're not breathing a word about what it is, how it works, or how we use it. Which is good. Fine, Super. If it finds our guys, you. You do keep that as secret as can be. Yeah. Effing bastards.

[Jack Armstrong]

Are we going to start blowing up bridges and power plants and everything like that? Infrastructure.

[Joe Getty]

Tomorrow at 5:00pm Eastern Time. Right? Right. Yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Won't be darned. All right, we got mailbag coming up next.

[Joe Getty]

Open the straight, you crazy bastards.

[Voice Actor]

Open the expletive straight, you crazy bastards.

[Joe Getty]

Open the effing straight, you crazy bastards.

[Announcer]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

The Wall Street Journal writes, the war with Iran is making the American economy more dominant compared to other economies in the world. So you can look at it that way. I want to talk about the saddest Easter of my life, which I'm actually not sad about because it was just circumstances beyond my control. But it still was a sad Easter.

[Joe Getty]

Supposed to be a joyful day. I'm sorry.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, did you have your Easter dinner alone at ihop? Probably not.

[Joe Getty]

Oh boy, that's a hell of a tease.

[Jack Armstrong]

And I got some interesting AI stuff for you too.

[Joe Getty]

Here's your freedom loving quote of the day. Continuing our series on war, for obvious reasons, going to Ernie Hemingway. Once we have a war, there is only one thing to do. It must be won. For defeat brings worse things than anything that can take two for defeat brings worse things than any that can ever happen in war. Once a war has begun, it must be won.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's a decent point. For all the awful things happening during the war, if you lose it, even worse things are going to happen.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, absolutely true. Mailbag. Mailbag isn't the worst thing that's going to happen. You understand? It was just kind of a. There was a comma there. Drop us a Note [e-mail] Guys, don't turn off the Internet just yet, writes David. Listen to you guys live from Diego Garcia versus I via iHeartradio. So that's the British Air base there on a little island in the middle of the. Whatever ocean is there, the local ocean. We have it on good authority that Tom Cruise and Owen Wilson were consultants on the extraction of the airmen from behind enemy lines. It's surprising. Keep up the great work. Hopefully not stuck out here too long. He writes. Well, thank you for doing what you're doing, David, and thanks for listening. Let's see, Al Anonymous the least known or least publicized special ops guys are sometimes called the PJs talking about the Air Force officer rescue. Among the special ops like Navy Seals and Green Beret, they are the highest trained in advanced skills and physical training. An Air Force vet friend told me that they would hardly be mentioned after these rescues because the Air Force wants it that way. But it's an amazing group of heroes. Let's see, he's met them at the gym near. Near a certain big Air Force base that we're familiar with. Some were in training, the gym had a big pool and they would swim for hours. Amazing heroes. Thanks for that note. Super interesting. The PJs, that's all you get to hear about them. Let's see. Frequent correspondent Paolo Guys, we're on our way back to the moon. I'll take that as a license to go. Captain Pedantic on a common misconception that there is a permanently dark side of the moon. There isn't. There is a far side of the moon that permanently faces away from the Earth, but the sun shines on every part of its surface over the course of a month. Yeah, that's interesting. It's especially interesting that the moon apparently won't turn its back on us. That's the way I take it. I blame Pink Floyd for the confusion, though. The phrase dark side of the moon predates the album.

[Jack Armstrong]

But no human eyes had seen the far side of the moon.

[Joe Getty]

Correct.

[Jack Armstrong]

For obvious reasons.

[Joe Getty]

Every bit is amazing and thought provoking. Yeah, yeah, he says. I've seen speculation that older uses of the dark side of the moon were more metaphorical, connoting that it was hidden from view or mysterious. Thank you. I enjoy etymology. Thank you for that note. This is apropos nothing except a good friend doing well. Guys. Dennis writes Dennison Lincoln, like you, I'm watching the women's NCAA Basketball Championship and heard your old colleague Jamie Coffey doing the pa. She was the announcer at the stadium in Phoenix.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Getty]

She left you guys in the dust. So true. Great game, by the way. UCLA demolished South Carolina and their racist coach, Dawn Staley.

[Jack Armstrong]

It was like a 30 point blowout. That was a great game.

[Joe Getty]

Dawn Staley's a racist. I didn't. I don't really know her thing. Let's see, I have. I've spent all my time on idiotic controversies that don't affect me in the world of men's sports, so I'm a bit busy with that. Oh, how about this, Michael? On the topic of GLP1s, the weight loss drugs. Well, you guys have helped convince me to try the Wegovy pill, and I guess it's working. It's only been a week and I feel less hungry. But the thing I like is this line I read while researching GLP1 drugs may reduce various types of compulsive and reward seeking behaviors beyond eating. I've nearly lost all interest in any social media use. The reward seeking desire part completely removes wanting to scroll, post, or troll.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

I've gotten so much other stuff done this past week.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. Now that's the most interesting thing I've heard about those drugs yet.

[Joe Getty]

I've heard it in terms of alcohol that you still might get drunk, but you don't have the. Hey, I've got a little buzz and this is great feeling at all.

[Jack Armstrong]

You lost interest in social media. Wow, that's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Mm.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, we got a lot more on the way. If you missed a second, we get

[Announcer]

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