That Was Particularly Tuneless...

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand — “That Was Particularly Tuneless...”

Date: April 21, 2026
Hosts: Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty (with Katie and recurring guests)
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

Armstrong & Getty dive into sociocultural trends shaping Western societies, focusing predominantly on shifting attitudes among young women in the UK and US toward men, relationships, mental health, and political ideologies. The hosts examine new polling data, muse on generational divides, debate education’s role in shaping opinions, mock the excesses of “woke” workplace culture, discuss political tactics like gerrymandering, and riff on pop culture—from pasta sauce nostalgia to standup comedy about Portland.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why Are Young Women Holding Hands? (03:47–07:24)

• Observation: Jack notices a growing trend of young women holding hands in public and wonders about the cause.
• Jack Armstrong (03:50): “We saw a couple of young women holding hands walking down the street...I saw no less than 10 pairs of women holding hands...my son said they feel safer that way.”
• Katie’s Take (05:43): She’s not surprised and notes it's common in her friend groups but didn't associate it with safety, suspecting alcohol or just casual affection might play a role.
• Joe Getty (06:47): Draws parallels with Middle Eastern cultures where men hold hands—emphasizing cultural variance in public displays of affection.
• Insight: The hosts ponder if this is a sign of increased anxiety among young women, an emotional reaction to feelings of insecurity, or just a phase/trend with uncertain origins.

2. Polling: Young Women’s Attitudes Toward Men, Capitalism, and Their Country (07:39–14:16)

• Joe Getty introduces a British poll (07:39):
  • There’s a widening gender gap not from men moving right but women moving sharply left.
  • “Among men under 30, 72% hold a positive view of women...among women under 30, only 50% feel positive toward men, and the figure drops to 35% among women under 25.” (08:35)
  • Young women twice as likely as young men to say they don’t want children.
  • Dating “red flags” over political views are stark; “74% said they could not stay with someone who rejects their views on social justice.” (10:06)
• Views on Capitalism & Communism:
  • Young British women rate capitalism at net +2 favorability, but communism at +11 (11:04).
  • Jack calls this “ignorance” and slams the education system for failing to teach the atrocities of communism.
• Generational/Educational Divide:
  • Joe contends a “feminized culture” and educational drift toward neo-Marxism may explain these trends (12:23).
  • Women are more likely to say the economy works against them—despite data showing young women now out-earn men in Britain.
• Notable Quote:
  • Jack Armstrong: “Only half of women are proud to be British. This whole Western civilization hating itself thing is so weird.” (14:16)

3. Linking Politics, Mental Health & Woke Ideology (15:29–21:57)

• Mental Health Stats: Pew Research shows 56% of white liberal women aged 18–29 have a mental health diagnosis, double the rate of conservatives.
• Exploring the Cause:
  • Joe cites essays blaming a grievance-driven “woke” ideology for undermining women’s resiliency and fostering negativity.
  • Joe Getty: “The very philosophy is incredibly pessimistic and full of victimization, helplessness.” (21:20)
• Workplace Culture:
  • “Bring your whole self to work” is mocked as counterproductive (21:37).
  • Jack: “Let’s none of us bring our whole selves to work. Let’s bring the part of us to work that needs to do the job and leave the rest at home.” (21:49)

4. Current Events: Gerrymandering in Virginia (26:29–33:24)

• Trump’s Boast: Jack reads Trump's amusing Truth Social post about Tim Cook, showcasing Trump’s idiosyncratic self-congratulation and unique character (27:30).
• Virginia Gerrymandering Drama:
  • State moving to redraw congressional maps could result in 10/11 districts favoring Democrats in a 50/50 state—described as “the most extreme gerrymandered state in the country.”
  • Both parties practicing excessive gerrymandering nationwide; a “race to the bottom.”
  • Joe warns this leads to entrenchment of interests dependent on government spending.
  • Notable Quote:
    Jack Armstrong: “If we decide that...you just don’t basically even give the other side any say whatsoever...race to the bottom...I don’t know where the bottom leads us. Probably to ruin.” (32:56)

5. Iran Tensions & Geopolitics (33:24–34:29, 38:38–39:20)

• Iran ‘Negotiating with Finger on the Trigger’: Reports of sharply heightened military posture; Joe quips about US determination: “We’re going to blow off the other nine if you’re not careful.” (33:37)
• Ongoing Uncertainty: Talks about the uncertainty of negotiations, noting opacity about who will actually represent Iran in talks (38:42–39:20).

6. Pop Culture & Light Topics

a. Family Dinner Table Recording (35:55–37:52)

• Discussion of Prego’s new device to record family conversations at dinner.
• Hosts wax nostalgic; both wish they had audio memories of their childhood/family meals.

b. Comedian on Portland (41:47–43:07)

• Featured bit from a standup comedian skewering Portland’s progressive culture and urban woes.
• Sample: “If female armpit hair was a city, this is it, man.” (41:57)
• Line about “let them off first, illegal migrants in the overhead compartments” draws chuckles.
• Hosts (Jack and Joe) praise the standup: “That was really good. The land acknowledgment was funny.” (43:07)

c. Jeopardy’s New Champ Jamie Ding (43:07–44:47)

• Discussion of Jamie Ding’s rise, quirks, intelligence, and popularity.
• “Awkward looking Asian guy. Wears orange every single day. Self deprecating wit...he’s earned more than three quarters of a million dollars so far.” (43:35)

d. Jimmy Lai's Plight in China (44:53–46:08)

• Hosts highlight the incarcerated Hong Kong pro-democracy activist’s suffering and ongoing persecution by China.
• Jack: “Torturing an old man to death because he wanted free speech. That’s the Chinese Communist Party—absolute hero for mankind.” (46:01)

e. Pasta Sauce Preferences (35:01–35:55)

• Lighthearted exchange about grocery pasta sauces, meat preferences, chunky vs. smooth, and Prego’s new recording device tie-in.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Generational Trends:
  • Joe Getty (08:35): “Among men under 30, 72% hold a positive view of women...among women under 25, that number is just 35% for a positive view of men.”
• On Education & Ignorance:
  • Jack Armstrong (11:04): “That’s ignorance, right? That’s not understanding what you’re talking about.”
• On Mental Health & Woke Culture:
  • Joe Getty (21:20): “Its very philosophy is incredibly pessimistic and full of victimization, helplessness.”
• On “Bring Your Whole Self to Work”:
  • Jack Armstrong (21:37): “Do me a favor, don’t.”
• On Gerrymandering & America’s Direction:
  • Jack Armstrong (32:56): “Race to the bottom...I don’t know where the bottom leads us. Probably to ruin.”
• On Portland’s Reputation:
  • Portland Comedian (41:57): “If female armpit hair was a city, this is it, man.”
• On Family Memories & Time Passing:
  • Jack Armstrong (37:15): “Slapping you in the face with how fast time goes by...”
• On Jimmy Lai:
  • Jack Armstrong (46:01): “Torturing an old man to death because he wanted free speech. That’s the Chinese Communist Party—absolute hero for mankind.”

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Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Topic / Key Moments | |-----------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:47–07:24 | Young women holding hands; social anxiety or trend? | | 07:39–14:16 | Poll: Young women’s attitudes on men, capitalism, dating, social justice | | 15:29–21:57 | Mental health, woke ideology, workplace “whole self” culture | | 26:29–33:24 | Trump on Tim Cook; Virginia gerrymandering showdown, national ramifications | | 33:24–34:29, 38:38–39:20 | Iran tensions—negotiations, belligerent statements, skepticism about progress | | 35:01–35:55 | Pasta sauce nostalgia, grocery store improvements, Prego’s table recorder | | 35:55–37:52 | Family conversation nostalgia, the fleetingness of memory and time | | 41:47–43:07 | Standup comic’s monologue on Portland | | 43:07–44:47 | Jeopardy’s Jamie Ding praise & idiosyncrasies | | 44:53–46:08 | Jimmy Lai’s letters, persecution by CCP, free speech advocacy |

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Summary in Tone

The show’s tone is irreverent, skeptical of progressive trends, rueful about generational divides, and punctuated with genuine concern for the erosion of civil discourse and the nation’s future. Jack and Joe toggle deftly between sarcastic asides, heartfelt admiration for courageous figures, and playful banter on lighter topics, making the episode both thought-provoking and entertaining for listeners who may have missed it.

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[Joe Getty]

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[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Beautiful. Do you want to lead off the discussion with what you observed?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we. I was reminded somebody brought up the thing. Remember the story last year of most women would rather come across a bear when they're hiking than a. Than a random dude? And I don't know how we culturally convinced the female persuasion that men are so incredibly scary.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I think part of it is also we convince them that saying that made them look enlightened. They're warriors against the. The patriarchy. And anyway, me too. And the rest.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's at a big. Got a big festival going on in my town over the weekend, and we saw a couple of young women holding hands walking down the street. And I made my usual dumb joke of, oh, my God, those two women are holding hands. What is going on? Like, you know, I just find that funny.

[Joe Getty]

You know what I love to do with my daughter, my youngest, especially because she can take a edgy joke, is we'll see a couple of dudes together, and I'll say, I have reason to believe they are homosexuals.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's basically what I said. And then my son said. My son said, I'll bet they're not. I said, what? He said, no, girls just hold hands now. I said, they do. He said, yeah, all kinds of girls in my school, they do. They hold hands now. And I said, what is that all about? And I saw no less than 10 pairs of women holding hands walking down the street. Now, I don't know who was straight and who was not, who was a couple and who was not, but he said they feel safer that way. So are we to a point now where young women feel like they got to hold hands with their friends walking in public because it's so freaking scary out there? That doesn't seem good. Katie, you're making a surprised face.

[Katie]

No, I'm not surprised.

[Joe Getty]

They.

[Katie]

This is something that I've seen within my own friend groups. I don't participate in it or necessarily understand. I also didn't connect it with safety.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, what is it then, if it's not.

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[Joe Getty]

We're just getting as many hands at your disposal to do stuff with. So it doesn't sound like a safety.

[Katie]

No, me, but I don't There have been.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not like safety, like you're going to fight, just like, oh, you know, we're together.

[Joe Getty]

Okay.

[Katie]

No, I've been in San Francisco many a time with groups of girlfriends, and all of a sudden, two of them are holding hands and they're just doing it to do it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay. We were guessing on the it makes them feel safer thing. I mean, people have a tendency to hold hands when they're like, you know, in a scary situation. I've seen it before. So it's a. It's a. It's a. It's an emotional thing. It's not a we're gonna fight thing. But. But what do you think's driving you think, Katie? Because I was just guessing.

[Katie]

I thought alcohol.

[Jack Armstrong]

Every woman's two drinks away from a lesbian encounter. That whole thing.

[Katie]

Pretty much, yeah.

[Joe Getty]

Lord. Oh, my. There are societies, Jack. You know this in the Middle east especially, where grown men walk down the street holding hand.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah.

[Joe Getty]

I will not be visiting those societies.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Okay. Well, if anybody knows why this is happening, it is happening a lot. Like, and it's recent because I. I've.

[Julian Edelman]

I've just.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've seen it a lot with my own eyes. So if, you know, text line 415295K FTC, I hope it's a different reason. I was thinking, man, if everybody's so, like, anxious and uncomfortable that the women, that they feel like they need to hold hands, like, you know, I got you.

[Joe Getty]

Such.

[Jack Armstrong]

I got you too. Because it's so scary out there. That's not good.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. You know me, I've established my cred is being willing to poo poo anything done by young people willingly. But I don't know. I'm in favor of real human contact as opposed to online stuff. So I don't know, maybe it's a reaction to.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's an interesting theory.

[Joe Getty]

Don't know. Anyway, I want to get to this. This is a big new poll of young British adults, and the Brits a little further down the road are crazy than the U.S. depending on where you live, if you live in a blue city or state, could be you're keeping pace with our crazy, crazy cousins over in Britain. But I like the way this is written up before they get to the actual poll results. A young woman sits in a comfortable London flat or a sleek New York apartment, scrolling her feed and convinced the world is rigged against her. She holds a university degree, earns a solid paycheck, and enjoys better workplace opportunities than her male peers at the same age. Yet she feels profoundly unhappy, distrusts men, loathes her country, and views motherhood as optional at best. And it's clear pattern repeating across Britain and America this the left leaning New Statesman pulled 2,000 British adults between 18 and 30. The widening gender gap among the young comes far more from women moving sharply left than men turning right. No matter what the lefty media would tell you. Among men under 30, 72% hold a positive view of women. It's an interesting lead question. Among women under 30, only 50% feel positive toward men, and the figure drops to 35% among women under 25.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

So the younger they are, the more they hate men.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow.

[Joe Getty]

Just 18% of women under 30 feel very positive about men, compared with 38% of men who feel very positive about women. Again, 38 to 18 men to women. More than 40% of young women say men do not share their understanding of consent, while only 25% of men say the same thing about women. That's a fraught topic, but let's get into more sociological stuff. Young women are twice as likely as young men to say they do not want children. The process of bringing a child into the world is a bit heavier on the woman, so I would grant them a little leeway. Yes, but it's 15 to 8, which is not huge numbers. But among white women under 30, though, the number rises to 20%, significantly higher among white women. One in four women called differing political views a red flag in a partner. 60% would struggle to date someone who disagrees on Israel Palestine topics.

[Jack Armstrong]

Geez, talk about, roll my eyes.

[Joe Getty]

Gee. Many similar on Trump, 74% said they could not stay with someone who rejects their views on social justice, whatever that means. As Thomas Sowell has pointed out, anybody who says social justice isn't talking about society or justice. Young women also show greater reluctance than men to date across differences on immigration. Economically, the divide grows sharper. This is the part I really wanted to get to young women. Now these are Brits, okay? Farther down the road of socialism, which is why they have a moribund style, stagnant embarrassment of an economy and military and everything else. This is the road we're going down. Young women give net. Give capitalism. Rather, I really prefer the term the free market, but I'm outvoted. Young women give capitalism a net favorability rating of just plus 2, while communism scores plus 11.

[Jack Armstrong]

Well, that's ignorance, right? That's a not understanding what you're talking about.

[Joe Getty]

That is mountainous. That is flaming ignorance.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is our education system. How does our education system not teach you about communism since it's the deadliest ideology in world history?

[Joe Getty]

Well, because at this point neo Marxists are in charge of our education system. I'm not sure the last thing they want to teach.

[Jack Armstrong]

I'm not sure I ever learned about communism.

[Joe Getty]

Oh it wasn't certainly as it wasn't. It wasn't a big feature of education, although I grew up knowing it. It was just. Maybe it wasn't necessary.

[Jack Armstrong]

Maybe.

[Joe Getty]

Were you? You certainly were aware we grew up in little different parts of the country. But you were aware of the Soviet Union.

[Jack Armstrong]

Oh absolutely.

[Joe Getty]

Communism. Dirty commie scum, pinkos.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe during the Cold War you didn't need to teach it because everybody was bathed in it.

[Joe Getty]

Okay, so young women more favorable toward communism which is just so stupid and ignorant it's astonishing. Young men on the other hand rate capitalism at plus 28% plus 2 for the women, plus 28 for the young men.

[Jack Armstrong]

Okay, now you're all going to the same school. So that my theory is no good there. Then what's happening?

[Joe Getty]

Well keep in mind this is Britain. I think part of it has to do with the nature of women's psychology versus men. Men are much more comfortable with. I'm more than willing to take this on, go at semi alone and fight for what I want. Whereas women are much more into forming coalitions and sharing. It was long said the Republican party, the Daddy Party and the Democratic Party was the mommy Party because the Democratic Party wanted more income redistribution and sharing and being fair and the rest of it. And the Republicans are like give people freedom and let them make of their lives what they will. So I think that's just not. That's part of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Not sure they should have the vote.

[Joe Getty]

Women. Yeah, we'll take your calls. Let's see, on wealth redistribution, 43% of young women say it is unfair that some people have more and that wealth should be taken from them. 43%. That's three more than the percent who say people deserve to keep what they earn. Good lord. Young men are 51, 37 in favor of the sanity. Yeah. Young women are more likely to believe the economy works against people like them. Yet among 16 to 24 year olds, women hold more full time jobs and earn 9% more on average than men in Britain now while male Youth unemployment is 6.3% higher than the young women. And yet young women are more likely to believe the economy works against women. Young women report lower happiness, ambition, excitement and fulfillment than young men. They are 21 points less optimistic than men about earning more than their parents and 19% less optimistic about buying the home that they want than young men in the same society. Only 53% of Gen Z women say they're proud to call themselves British, compared with 68% of the gen Z men.

[Jack Armstrong]

Only half of women are proud to be British. This whole Western civilization hating itself thing is so weird.

[Joe Getty]

And to reinforce what you're saying, not to interrupt, but to reinforce affluent, higher educated women prove the most left wing and most pessimistic. Of course they have the higher numbers on communism, feminism, feminism, environmentalism, socialism, slavery, reparations, the view that UK is racist or sexist. Absolutely amazing. Among Americans aged 18 to 29, 40% of young women identify as liberal compared to 25% of young men. Let's see, that's only mildly interesting. Then they go into some more of the American numbers which are quite similar to the British numbers, including mental health diagnoses, which is. Oh, the famous Pew Research survey that we talked about a lot that found that 56% of white liberal women age 18 to 29 reported a mental health diagnosis. 56%? Wow. Roughly doubled the rate for conservative women the same age. Cart, horse, chicken, egg. Nobody's really sure.

[Jack Armstrong]

Double is a lot. Yes, that's quite a disparity.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, it's 28 to 56.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow. How do you explain that?

[Joe Getty]

Gosh, we had some great essays on that very topic. I wish I remembered their specific reasoning. I'll try to dig them up.

[Jack Armstrong]

That is really interesting. Iran just put out a statement, whoever Iran is, that they are negotiating with their finger on the trigger. Well, so is the orange Tornado, so keep that in mind. More on that and a bunch of other stuff on the way. Stay here.

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[Jack Armstrong]

what's going on with the peace talks or the ceasefire or whatever you want to call it. War with Iran. We'll get to that in a little bit.

[Joe Getty]

So we were going over some statistics about British and American young women, particularly young liberal women, and how they're miserable and hate their lives and their countries in the world and are embracing communism and all sorts of madness. And we were discussing the Pew poll that came out a couple of years ago about how twice as many lefty women as conservative women have sought help for mental health problems. And I thought I had saved a couple of the essays that were addressing this and they are definitely from the perspective of this is not good, let's understand it. As opposed to Ha ha ha, look at those stupid lefties, including this piece by Amy Gallagher, why Women Love Woke the Toxic Relationship Mad and sad women go woke, woke makes women go mad and sad. And she, as well as a couple other authors that I kept around, Let me get to the gist of this. She gets into the growing ideological gap, dei, safe spaces, therapeutic spaces, bringing your whole self to work, harm reduction, psychological safety, emotionality conformity, conflict avoidance. We now live in a highly feminized culture. This femininity has taken over the workplace. It is a toxic and destructive form of femininity and ironically the reason why so many women are making poor life choices that leave them unhappy and mentally unstable. If women want to feel better, they must first end their toxic love affair with WOKE progressivism, which has plunged them into a downward spiral of insanity and despair. Or as they put it in EV Magazine, which is definitely women oriented, they point out that the whole WOKE thing is to constantly flog you with what's unfair, who's oppressed, how you yourself are being exploited and put upon by the patriarchy and capitalism. The whole philosophy is one of grievance as opposed to opportunity and yeah, challenges and what are you gonna do? Into each life a little rain must fall. Dr. Lyle Rossiter, rather board certified psychiatrist who's treated mental disorders for over 30 years, agrees and adds white liberalism thrives on supposedly champion working, championing workers, minorities, the little guy women, the unemployed who they continually see as wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised, exploited, victimized with little to no agency of their own. And it is. Its very philosophy is incredibly pessimistic and full of victimization, helplessness,

[Jack Armstrong]

Bring your whole self to work. I had forgotten that phrase do me a favor, don't. Yeah, it was a response from many of us.

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How about you and I'll do you a favor and I won't?

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, let's none of us bring our whole selves to work. Let's bring the part of us to work that needs to do the job and leave the rest of it at home.

[Joe Getty]

If we become friends and you want to share with me, great. Not at work what they're doing in

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Virginia today and voting for is outrageous. Stay tuned.

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[Jack Armstrong]

These refunds are for businesses only. Individuals cannot apply and it's unlikely that consumers will get any money back. However, FedEx and UPS have said they will pay customers back who paid tariffs directly once they receive those reimbursements. Yeah, we probably all were affected by the tariffs in one way or another. But what are you going to do?

[Joe Getty]

What are you going to do? Nothing apparently I left out because I was robo scanning. They call me Joe GPT. I was scanning those articles about white women and mental problems and stuff and I left out one of the most important parts. And this is, you know, practically my life's philosophy. The one thing about the WOKE religion is that it preaches against the one quality that human beings must have to have happy lives. And that's resiliency. It preaches that you can't bounce back from these things, that you are permanently oppressed unless the patriarchy or capitalism or whatever is overthrown. It needs you to believe that. Otherwise you wouldn't become a dedicated Neo Marxist. So, boy, when you browbeat resiliency out of somebody like a young woman, oh, my God, you've done a terrible cruelty to them. End of screen.

[Jack Armstrong]

Before I get to what they're voting on in Virginia today, which is out. Absolutely outrageous, our producer Steve Hansen said. Did you check out Donald Trump's Truth Social post about Tim Cook? I had not. Let me read a little bit of it because I came across a phrase. That's interesting. So Tim Cook of Apple stepped down. They got a new guy now. I've always been a big fan of Tim Cook and likewise Steve Jobs, but. But Steve was not taken from planet Earth so young and ran the company instead of Tim. The company would have done well, but nowhere near as well as it has under Tim. That's what you pointed out earlier. That's interesting for me. I don't know if that's true. I mean, nobody will know.

[Joe Getty]

But.

[Jack Armstrong]

But financially, Apple has done very well under Tim Cook. They haven't, you know, invented a new groundbreaking this or that, but groundbreaking this or that's don't come along, you know, all the time.

[Joe Getty]

Its valuation for shareholders has grown more than any other corporation on earth, except for Nvidia.

[Jack Armstrong]

Wow, that's interesting.

[Joe Getty]

During Tim Cook's reign, I mean, what, are you gonna argue with that, right?

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump writes. For me, it began with a phone call from Tim at the beginning of my first term. He had a fairly large problem that only I, as president, could fix. Most people would have paid millions of dollars to a consultant who I probably would not have known, but who would say that he knew me well, okay, the fees would be paid, but the job would not have gotten done. When I got the call, I said, wow, it's Tim Apple Cook. He puts in parentheses calling. How big is that? I was very impressed with myself to have the head of Apple calling to kiss my ass.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy. Oh, my God,

[Jack Armstrong]

Trump is so funny. Oh, my gosh. What a unique character. I was very impressed with myself to have the head of Apple calling to kiss my ass. Anyway, he explained his problem. A tough one it was. I felt he was right and got it taken care of quickly and effectively. This is the beginning of a long and nice relationship.

[Joe Getty]

Blah, blah, blah, blah. Everything I was taught not to be.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I was very impressed with myself. Here's the head of Apple calling to kiss My ass. That's pretty funny.

[Joe Getty]

Funny's one word for it. As always, Jack is amused by this, which I appreciate.

[Jack Armstrong]

What a unique character. I'm not amused by what Virginia is doing today. And the media is ignoring it to a great extent. If it's not Fox, I'll read a little bit of what Jonathan Turley is writing today. He's the law professor from George Washington University. He also lives in Virginia and voted this morning against the Democratic gerrymandering that the state of Virginia is trying to pull off. He opens by talking about how Abigail Spanberger, the governor, ran on being against gerrymandering when it was Texas. And then when her state wants to do it, all of a sudden she's in favorite. But that's its own, its own topic.

[Joe Getty]

The interesting thing even said she wouldn't support the gerrymandering effort in Virginia, but just, you know, didn't mean a word of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

But just so you know what's going on here, what they're trying to do in Virginia, it would take a very purple state, almost exactly a 50, 50 state. And they've got 11 districts there. So 11 Congress people and 10 of the 11 will be Democrat and only one Republican in a 50, 50 state.

[Joe Getty]

Right. It's a really creative AI aided map drawing, but they did it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yep. It would be the most extreme gerrymandered state state in the entire country. The Democrats are insisting they're merely responding to Texas, but this is far more extreme than in any other states. Moreover, this is a purple state where Democrats are not even trying a modest accommodation for roughly half the voters, just similar to what they're trying to do in California. Virginia was once widely cited as a model of fairness in voting. Spanberger, the governor and the Democrats have now shattered that model. Depending on how the vote goes today, the it's a single issue ballot that they're going to vote on today in Virginia is currently polling slightly ahead. We'll see what voters do when they go out today. But that is a huge step in the wrong direction for our country. If we decide that, okay, now we're just gonna completely wipe out the opposition party. If you have the majority, you just don't basically even give the other side any, any say whatsoever.

[Joe Getty]

Right. And Trump, in fairness, has been leading the charge on the Republican side to do that.

[Jack Armstrong]

Our ongoing race to the bottom and the fact that neither side is willing to say the other side's doing it too. Jonathan Turley mentions Indiana, which it came up as a topic, and they, the Republicans who are in charge of the state of Indiana were strongly against any gerrymandering out of the Democrats that are represented.

[Joe Getty]

And Trump's trying to get rid of those guys. Yeah, getting into state legislature races. Yeah, it's absolutely awful and it's un American. What troubles me is the brilliantly insidious progressive tax code. The more progressive you make it, the smaller the pool of taxpayers who actually care about where government money goes. And the reason it relates to this is you've got a pretty large number of folks and organizations, unions especially, that benefit from the free flow of tax dollars out of government. And they absolutely want Democratic gerrymandering because they know then there will be no opposition to the crony money flowing their way. And then so you've got that concentrated interest against, you know, a fairly small number of folks who actually pay the income tax burden. And they're desperately trying to go to the polls to say, oh, my God, this has got to stop. We're bleeding money. But they're outnumbered.

[Jack Armstrong]

So Page County, Virginia is a big deal because it's where most of the influencers, mainstream influencers that you listen to and politicians live. Page County, Virginia, and they have a billboard up saying, Trump is telling voters, Trump says vote yes on the gerrymandering vote. Which. Which is obviously not true. Jonathan Turley pointed out that this is why the Washington Post denounced the Democrats in Virginia as pushing gerrymandering in the most brazenly dishonest way imaginable. Even the Washington Post called them out for being brazenly dishonest. Wow. The Democrats of Virginia. But that's where we are now. It's just a race to the bottom. I don't know. I don't know where the bottom leads us. Probably to ruin.

[Joe Getty]

Well, people like round numbers, and we made it about 250 years. That's a good point. Before it collapsed. You know, it's a good run. It's about as long as the Republic is ever going to last. Quick check monarchy now.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, a quick checking in on the war with Iran. Iran's defense forces are in full readiness and are negotiating with one finger on the trigger, a spokesperson of Iran's government said in an interview this morning.

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[Jack Armstrong]

Pasta sauce has come a long way. You're a buy it in a jar. Pasta sauce at the grocery store. I feel like when I was younger, a young man, it was okay. Now you can buy some like really, really good. I can't imagine why I would go all to all the work to make it from scratch. It's so good. Pasta sauce at the grocery store. Anyway, one of your companies, Prego, has

[Joe Getty]

a chunky style guy. I am 100% chunky. What are the chunks of veggie goodness? Tomatoes, various herbs and spices? Yeah. Oh, I love the chunky style.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, I like them all. I don't, I don't know if I'm strong either direction, but I like a lot of meat in it. I need meat.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, oh, we always had our own meat. Do you with it? No, that's. Please, you gotta add your own meat to it. I have done, but yeah, just for better.

[Jack Armstrong]

Prego. It's one of your sauce makers. They've got this new recording device. It looks kind of like a hockey puck or something. You set it in the middle of the table and it will record your family's conversation. It's a bit of a stunt, but the dinner table events. Yes, thank you, Mitt. But the, the. It's kind of interesting as an idea just in general the theme, recording your family conversations and just having them. Not always, but every once in a while. I know who wouldn't be I don't even know if you could take it emotionally. Who wouldn't be amazed to go back and thinking about my childhood and listen to my young mom and dad and me and my brothers young sitting around talking at the dinner table. Be unbelievable. Oh.

[Joe Getty]

Or my kids. Oh my God. It was always a laugh riot. I wish I had, you know, some documentation of it.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, that's a pretty good idea. Here's a. Here's an example where I'm not against recording everything or having microphones everywhere. Your own personal space is more of that stuff, not less. Boy, it's tough though. I wonder when. When is the right time? A lot of that stuff I find it's so bittersweet. It's just. It's. It's a roller coaster of emotions.

[Joe Getty]

Oh yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

I've got. I got a gazillion. Because I grew up, my kids were born after the smartphone era. I got so many videos on my phone of like just practically everything. But I mean, it's the whole. Slapping you in the face with how fast time goes by is right.

[Joe Getty]

Get over that for sure. Oh my gosh. I'm so busy contemplating it I can't even form words. But yeah.

[Jack Armstrong]

Pretty cool idea from the Prego company. I wonder if that'll become especially as hard drive space becomes cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. Practically free. Why not?

[Joe Getty]

An audio doesn't take up that no these days. Michael, sing Sunrise Sunset from Fiddler on the Roof, would you? I love it when you sing the classics. Don't know it. No. Oh my God. Oh, that sounds.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could you sing Total Eclipse of the Heart by Bonnie Tyler?

[Joe Getty]

Turn around.

[Jack Armstrong]

There you go.

[Joe Getty]

Wow. Something, something, something bright.

[Jack Armstrong]

That was. That was like.

[Joe Getty]

Is anybody hurt that's particularly toothless? Well, we. We cited meatloafs. Classic. Two out of three ain't bad, baby. We could talk all night but we ain't getting. Ain't that ain't getting us nowhere. Here it is. The talks with is this meatloaf is singing to Trump and it won't either. You gotta bomb them.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see if anybody's gonna show up for the talks. I was just looking at the very latest. There's still no indication that anybody's showing up. And if anybody does show up, who it will be. Which makes it an interesting if they

[Joe Getty]

have any deal making authority if they do show up. This is farcical.

[Jack Armstrong]

That seems like a hell of a power play. I mean like Joe and I've been in a lot of negotiations with various things and contracts, stuff like that. I feel like if we were showing up and it's like, maybe we'll show up, maybe we won't, and we'll let you know who it is when it seems like they really have the upper hand.

[Joe Getty]

It's abusive, no doubt.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yeah. Or.

[Joe Getty]

Or floundering.

[Jack Armstrong]

Could be that. Yeah. Yeah. We'll keep our eye on that story and a lot of others. Stay here.

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the first time I ever visited Portland. I thought this is the greatest city I've ever been to.

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[Jack Armstrong]

It's absolutely fantastic. It's like a clean San Francisco that was quite a few decades ago and it's gone a little crazy since then. Stole an amazing town. But.

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But what?

[Jack Armstrong]

Is this what we're about to hear?

[Katie]

Katie this is a comedian who is in Portland. Talking about landing in Portland.

[Jack Armstrong]

Landing at the airport.

[Joe Getty]

Gotcha.

[Portland Comedian]

Portland.

[Jack Armstrong]

If female armpit hair was a city,

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[Jack Armstrong]

Holy you land they let you know where you are. I didn't even get off the plane.

[Portland Comedian]

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[Jack Armstrong]

some of that's actually true.

[Joe Getty]

That was really good. That was really good. The land acknowledgment was funny. Thanks metal guy. Yeah, true. Apropos nothing but kind of interesting. The new king of Jeopardy. Jamie Ding is the nicest champ ever. Everybody loves him. Awkward looking Asian guy. Wears orange every single day. It's his favorite color. He waves like he just learned how yesterday. Like he's 3 years old self deprecating wit and interest. So quirky they're cool. Chasing eclipses. Writing in italics. Driving around with his trivia friends looking for a rare goose.

[Jack Armstrong]

Writing in italics.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, but everybody loves him apparently. I haven't seen him. I don't watch Jeopardy. These days. But. But his chosen introduction is Jamie is a bureaucrat and a law student. He clarified in one episode, I'm a faceless bureaucrat. But now that I'm on television, I guess that's not true anymore. He works on affordable housing as an administrator in a New Jersey state agency and is in a weekend law program at Seton Hall. Let's see, what do they say? He never comes off as cocky. Almost seems embarrassed when he wins. I love this. He has blazing buzzer speed, a knowledge range that borders on omniscience. A nerve for wagers that makes the studio audience gasp. He's earned more than three quarters of a million dollars so far. Jack.

[Jack Armstrong]

Good for him.

[Joe Getty]

It's pretty damned impressive. It's an American success story.

[Jack Armstrong]

Want to check in on a sad story real quick? The Sunday Times featuring letters from Jimmy Lai. If you remember him. He's the free speech activist billionaire from Hong Kong who got thrown in prison by the Chinese Communist Party to die there. He's an old man. He's a wealthy man who risked his life running a news organization in Hong Kong. Despite despite demands from the Communist Party to shut it down, they finally arrested him. They found him guilty of some trumped up complete bs. Anyway, he's been writing letters to his children and wife that they published in the Sunday London Times. The Times reported that Jimmy Lai has been denied medicine for his diabetes. He's dramatically lost weight, his teeth are being rounded out, his fingernails are falling off and he's still being held in solitary confinement. They're torturing an old man to death because he wanted free speech. That's the Chinese Communist Party, absolute hero for mankind.

[Joe Getty]

Advocate for the natural rights of man specifically, well, liberty and free speech in particular. One of the most admirable human beings on earth.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yep, should be stat. There probably will be someday statues to him all around the world. A lot of young people like the Communist party. Got a polling on that for hour four. If you don't get it, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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