That's Some Good S Right There!

Summary

Armstrong & Getty On Demand

Episode Title: That's Some Good S Right There!
Date: August 19, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode features Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty discussing key developments in global politics (particularly Ukraine, Russia, and nationalism), societal trends in language and culture, major health news, and reflections on George Orwell's Animal Farm as it hits its 80th anniversary. Military analyst Mike Lyons joins for in-depth analysis of the ongoing Ukraine conflict, the role of security guarantees, and technological shifts in military practice. The show balances serious geopolitical assessments with sharp-witted cultural commentary and some comic moments.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Situation in Ukraine: Security Guarantees and Negotiations

Timestamps: 03:39 – 05:09

• The hosts introduce Mike Lyons, military analyst, who offers context on the current state of the Ukraine war and recent diplomatic moves involving the U.S., European nations, and Vladimir Putin.
• Trump has publicly stated there will be "no U.S. boots on the ground in Ukraine," even as negotiations over security guarantees and military support continue.

Notable Insights:

• European powers like France and the UK may provide ground support, but the U.S. will likely restrict involvement to logistical, air, and defense systems.
• Quote (Mike Lyons, 05:41):
  "This is probably the beginning of the beginning... The hard part is going to be getting Russian negotiators to sit down with Ukraine negotiators as well as the United States, trying to figure out how to redraw that map."
• The likelihood of a major peace settlement is questioned, with Lyons expressing skepticism about Putin's willingness to engage in meaningful negotiations.

On the prospects of pressuring Putin:
Quote (Mike Lyons, 06:45):
"Frankly, I still don't think there's enough leverage being put on Vladimir Putin to want to stop this anytime soon."

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2. Security Guarantees and the Risk of Escalation

Timestamps: 06:45 – 08:14

• Discussion about how the West can support Ukraine without crossing Putin's 'red lines', especially avoiding full NATO involvement.
• The complexity of supporting allies with air cover and logistics without being drawn into a direct confrontation.

Quote (Mike Lyons, 07:19):
"Just the boots on the ground is where that thing could get... sideways quick."

• Referenced historical parallel: Dayton Accords in the Balkans and the consequences of U.S. troop deployments.

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3. Putin’s Incentives and Internal Russian Dynamics

Timestamps: 08:14 – 10:09

• Analyses of Putin’s motivations and the internal situation in Russia:
  • High Russian and Ukrainian casualties, but limited internal Russian opposition.
  • Cultural and political differences mean Western expectations (e.g., "Russian mothers pressuring for change") are unrealistic.
• Lyons emphasizes the control Putin holds over disparate regions within Russia.

Quote (Mike Lyons, 09:31):
"He's able to pick different Russian tribes still out and send them to the battlefield into the meat grinder, fundamentally to their death. And then he'll continue to do that because they have four times the amount of people that Ukraine does."

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4. U.S. vs. China: Naval Concerns & Military Tech

Timestamps: 10:09 – 12:50

• The U.S. is falling behind China in shipbuilding and port automation; Lyons expresses concern but optimism if the issue is prioritized.
• American military academies are drastically increasing emphasis on drone and AI technology in training and applications.

Quote (Mike Lyons, 11:39):
"It's incredible the amount of things that are taking place in the AI drone space... We're going to get to the point where a drone will be part of a basic kit of an infantry soldier, aside from their weapon and canteen and the like."

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5. Peace "Ceasefire" vs. Settlement in Ukraine

Timestamps: 13:00 – 15:25

• The hosts analyze Leon Panetta's warning about the dangers of ceasefires in conflicts: they tend to freeze the status quo, often cementing territorial losses for the side most recently invaded (as seen in Korea).

Quote (Michael, 14:21):
"If Ukraine wants any chance of getting any land back or wants different borders than what they are now, you do not want a ceasefire."

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6. Weight Loss Drugs: Ozempic and Wegovy

Timestamps: 20:34 – 24:36

• News update: Major price drop for Ozempic and Wegovy (from ~$1,000 to $499 per month).
• Hosts discuss the drugs’ expanding usage, potential to become as routine as blood pressure medicine, and concerns about side effects like nausea, intestinal issues, and rare dangerous complications.

Quote (Joe Getty, 22:28):
"I hope they can dial it in a little bit better because there are significant... side effects."

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7. George Orwell’s Animal Farm at 80: Lessons and Warnings

Timestamps: 29:14 – 39:12

• The show marks the 80th anniversary of Animal Farm, using it as a springboard to discuss:
  • How revolutions fuel their own corruption.
  • The incremental creep of power and the manipulation of language.
  • The erasure and rewriting of history, echoing major present-day trends in education and public discourse.
  • Propaganda’s power over physical coercion.
• Lively discussion of preference falsification and mass conformity, referencing today’s sociopolitical climate.

Quote (Joe Getty, 33:04):
"When they tell you what words to use and start changing those words and demanding that you use their words, not the words you've always used... they're trying to pervert meaning, and... they're demanding an act of submission from you."

• The hosts argue contemporary American education sometimes works as indoctrination and reference “preference falsification”—the tendency for people to conceal their true beliefs because they think everyone else believes differently.

Quote (Joe Getty, 36:23):
"Propaganda is more powerful than physical force."

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8. U.S. Tariffs and Canadian Sentiment

Timestamps: 46:13 – 49:25

• Brief segment on escalating U.S. tariffs on Canadian goods, and Canadian backlash ("elbows up")—including some Canadians swearing off travel to the U.S. over safety and national pride concerns.

Quote (Joe Getty, 48:17):
"They had such a... warped view of how dangerous the United States was."

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9. The Great Cracker Barrel Remodel Debate

Timestamps: 49:48 – 52:14

• Hosts lament the planned modernization of Cracker Barrel restaurants, seeing it as an abandonment of nostalgic “old timey” Americana and classic merchandise.

Quote (Michael, 50:22):
"A fair amount of blowback from those of us on probably on the older end... who like the old timey look."

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10. Brief Comic and Cultural Moments

• Jokes about spontaneous, uncontrollable bowel movements as a drug side effect (23:23–23:53).
• The “Labubu” fad is briefly referenced for comic effect (41:09).
• Jokes about Cracker Barrel changing to "Kale Vaz" and embracing hyper-modern café trends, culminating in quips about "drag queens escorting you to your table."

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Notable Quotes

• On Ukraine war negotiations:
  "I still don't think there's enough leverage being put on Vladimir Putin to want to stop this anytime soon." — Mike Lyons (06:45)

• On revolution and corruption:
  "Power corrupts incrementally through small compromises." — Joe Getty, referencing Animal Farm (31:51)

• On language as a tool for control:
  "When they tell you what words to use and start changing those words... they're demanding an act of submission from you." — Joe Getty (33:04)

• On mass conformity:
  "Mass conformity is engineered, not natural... that's what they're trying to do to the kids, to teach them to mindlessly bleat..." — Joe Getty (36:31)

• On American perceptions abroad:
  "They had such a... warped view of how dangerous the United States was." — Joe Getty (48:17)

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Additional Segment Highlights with Timestamps

• AI and Therapy: The hosts briefly flag an upcoming discussion on the rise of AI-based therapy services, particularly among teens (41:09).
• Pop culture/documentary plug: Reference to a new Eminem documentary "Stan" (54:52).

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Memorable Moments

• A light-hearted rundown of potential side effects from weight loss drugs and quips about lifestyles that could “work” with spontaneous bowel movements. (23:23)
• Mike Lyons' passionate explanation of drone technology becoming as basic as a rifle or canteen for soldiers (11:39).
• The show’s repeated, joking invocation of self-awareness ("We checked that box!") after referencing trending topics or obligatory news items.
• The “Kale Vaz” and drag queen jokes in the context of Cracker Barrel’s controversial remodel (51:15–52:14).

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Episode Takeaways

• The Ukraine conflict remains highly volatile, with all sides maneuvering around red lines, and much uncertainty about the success of Western security guarantees.
• Language, narrative, and propaganda—echoing Orwell’s warnings—play a crucial role in shaping politics and public opinion today.
• Medication-driven culture continues to expand to new frontiers, with weight loss drugs becoming more accessible and normal.
• Cultural nostalgia versus modernization is a resonant theme, whether in restaurants or national memory.
• The show balances policy insight with cultural satire, giving listeners both information and laughs.

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Transcript

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[Michael]

Armstrong and Getty.

[Joe Getty]

And now here's Armstrong and Yeti.

[Mike Lyons]

So they're not going to be a part of NATO, but we've got the European nations and they'll front loaded and they'll have some of them France and Germany, a couple of them UK they want to have, you know, boots on the ground. Not, not. And I don't think it's going to be a problem, to be honest with you. I think, I think Putin is tired of it. I think they're all tired of it. But you never know. We're going to find out about President Putin in the next couple of weeks, that I can tell you and we're going to see where it all goes. It's possible that he doesn't want to.

[Joe Getty]

Make a deal, that Vladimir Putin is going to continue to commit war crimes, that he has a significant military force.

[Michael]

That he needs to be stopped and that he is in every sense, I'll.

[Joe Getty]

Use a nautical term here, putting a.

[Michael]

Shot across the bow of the president of the United States.

[Joe Getty]

We had to be mindful of that.

[Michael]

And respond to it with real force and strength. As James Stravitas on cnn, former NATO commander and he and Trump, someone in line there that Putin may just want to keep prosecuting this war. Now as to boots on the ground and all that sort of stuff, Trump offered up some security guarantees yesterday, including saying the US Will have the back and wanted to clear that up today apparently. Cuz just moments ago he said you have my assurance, no US Boots on the ground in Ukraine. So he has definitively ruled that out.

[Joe Getty]

Well, let's discuss all of this with military analyst Mike Lyons, who among his many experiences, served as an aide de camp to a general officer in NATO command back in the day. Mike, as we started the show, first of all, greetings. It's always good to talk. How are you?

[Mike Lyons]

Hey, guys, great to be back with you.

[Joe Getty]

Thank you. So we started the show today with a discussion of, okay, in spite of the, the amazing pictures from the White House and all of the diplomacy and the meetings, and it was really quite something. Now comes the hard.

[Mike Lyons]

Yeah, yes, for sure. This is probably the beginning of the beginning, if you're looking for some kind of analogy here. And the hard part is going to be getting Russian negotiators sit to sit down with Ukraine negotiators as well as the United States near trying to figure out how to redraw that map. I think Zelensky has come to the conclusion that he's going to lose territory and Russia does already occupy. They took it from a military perspective. So they've got to figure out what that is. Now, if the Ukraine negotiators or the team that they have on that side, if they think he's going to get that through his, his Congress or his government, then this is all for naught because he doesn't have this power to just give land away in Ukraine. So there's definitely a hard part here. You saw the German chancellor trying to get a cease fire because you wake up this morning and Russia continues to attack civilian targets inside Ukraine. And frankly, I still don't think there's enough leverage being put on Vladimir Putin to want to stop the anytime soon. So I think we've got a ways to go.

[Michael]

So all the talk of security guarantees if Trump or if Putin would agree to some sort of deal, the security guarantees, British troops on the ground, French troops on the ground, and then a backup of the United States. It's interesting that. So one of Putin's red lines is no NATO guarantees. And so Trump's getting around that by, okay, we'll have different. We'll have some of the European countries that are in NATO and have a guarantee with them. But so what does that all look like to you? And how easily could we get pulled into the whole thing?

[Mike Lyons]

Well, I think we'll still provide air cover, air defense systems that we'll still be involved with, the security guarantee. But just the boots on the ground is where that thing could get, you know, sideways quick. Looking for like a historical analysis, you go back to the Dayton Accords, Serbia, when the United States did put boots on the ground inside that country. But they brought a lot of combat power to the battlefield. And I do remember some conversation taking place between the general that ran it and Milosevic himself saying, if you even look sideways at any one of our soldiers, we're going to come and destroy all of you. So the question is, the security guarantee is great. It's just what combat power will they bring to the battlefield? 20 to 30,000 troops of French and British troops are going to need logistical support, and they're going to have to be enough of a threat that would keep Russia at bay. So, again, a lot of has to be fleshed out when it comes to what that security agreement looks like.

[Joe Getty]

And rewinding just a bit back to the topic of Vladimir Putin, Given the reality on the battlefield right now and his goals, how much incentive do you think he has to actually negotiate in a serious way?

[Mike Lyons]

I don't think he has much yet, and I think that we should have already put the sanctions on, and I think the Biden administration wasted all of their time. And, you know, he. The longer he could kind of let this go, it makes. He thinks it makes Zelensky look weak. And eventually his goal was to get rid of him. He's looking for a win here. He'll take the win being the land that he's captured, let's say, inside Ukraine. He didn't get the whole country, but he's going to do other things to try to destroy Zelensky, that's for sure. You know, I don't see this Menachem Begin, Sadat Jimmy Carter moment, the three of them, Putin, Trump and Zelensky, you know, shaking hands and raising their, you know, signing some peace agreement. I think we're. We're a ways from that man.

[Michael]

Just stepping back and looking at for a moment the idea that Russia, 20,000 dead last month, a million, over a million casualties at this point, and tens of thousands of Ukrainians dead. It's just shocking that this is going on, isn't it?

[Mike Lyons]

Yeah. It just shows you the level of control he has over the country. Right. Russia, with 11 time zones and enclaves and all these different areas, and the fact that he can control the message and the fact that there hasn't been revolution, there hasn't been anything that's come from Russian mothers. I mean, that's kind of a Western narrative to try to think that there's going to be this internal Russian pressure to get Vladimir Putin to stop that. That's just not gonna happen. He's able to pick different Russian tribes still out and send them to the Battlefield into the meat grinder, fundamentally to their death. And then he'll continue to do that because they have four times the amount of people that Ukraine does.

[Joe Getty]

Mike Lyons, military analyst, is on the line. Mike, before we let you go, I've been reading a fair amount about our incredible deficit in shipbuilding and capacity for growth of our navies compared to China. What, how dire is that situation in your mind?

[Mike Lyons]

It's bad. I think we have time to catch up. The fact that we recognize that it's a problem, I think this administration does recognize it is an issue. The question has always been the maritime capability of moving equipment across from the United States to where combat will take place, which is why this pivot to the Pacific is so important. China, though, has gotten well out in front of the United States when it comes to docks and it comes to the automation that they have and containers and then the like. Haven't prioritized it, but I think you'll see more emphasis as navies project power. This is both realpolitik and gunboat diplomacy is still very much in vogue in the way the world works right now. So I'm concerned about it. I got a son of the Navy, so I'm vested in what happens here. But I do believe that we're moving in the right direction.

[Joe Getty]

I had one more question. It's back to Ukraine. Sorry for the jumbled order here, but one of the great headlines from that battlefield is the use of drones and all automated tools and weapons and that sort of thing. What do you hear from our own defense establishment? How hard are we working at keeping up with that technology?

[Mike Lyons]

It's incredible the amount of things that are taking place in the AI drone space. I know at the military academy the complete focus now shifted towards drone technology, adding drones to all of the different training that they're doing. We're going to get to the point where a drone will be part of a basic kit of an infantry soldier, aside from their weapon and canteen and the like.

[Joe Getty]

Wow.

[Mike Lyons]

The technology. Yeah, it's either from an intel gathering perspective, dropping grenade or whatever. There are so many things that have changed warfare that we've learned and we're going to continue to move that forward. But I know at the military academy in particular, there's so much focus plus working. I'm working with some, a lot of startup companies that are looking to create different missions for these different kinds of drones and doing a lot of different things. And you lay the artificial intelligence over that, you know, we're not there yet where they're going to determine the targets. But, you know, the things about the drones and the, and the AI is that, you know, it can hover forever. It can take a lot of time and can be selective on targets. And it's really changing the way that the battlefield of commanders have to look at the battlefield.

[Joe Getty]

You ought to follow him on X at Major Mike Lyons. Mike, always great to talk. Thanks so much for the insight.

[Mike Lyons]

Great guy. Thanks for having me.

[Joe Getty]

Thank you.

[Michael]

So Trump said this yesterday, Michael, with all of the wars that I got involved in, we, we only have this one left. Of course, as I walk out the door, there'll probably be a new one.

[Mike Lyons]

Starting and I'll get that stopped too.

[Michael]

But I thought this was going to be one of the easier ones. It's actually one of the most difficult. They're very complex. The next step would be for a.

[Mike Lyons]

Trilateral meeting and that will be worked.

[Michael]

Out and I just look forward to.

[Mike Lyons]

Working and having a great result.

[Michael]

Okay, well, I didn't say what the lit thing says here, but anyway, Putin, Trump says Putin agreed to accept security guarantees. What? I just don't believe that. And I don't understand why Trump believes it or if Trump believes it. Maybe he's just going along for now to see if Trump, if Putin backs that up or not.

[Joe Getty]

But the presumptive close, he accepted some security guarantees, so I'm sure he'll accept these security guarantees.

[Michael]

But I heard this on Friday and I forgot to mention it yesterday. I think this is huge. Leon Panetta was on one of the shows, I think on cnn. He's one, he's been one of my favorite Democrats my, my whole life. And he was Obama's Sec. Def N CIA director. He said, I was happy that there was not a ceasefire. Ceasefires are where borders have been drawn.

[Jack Armstrong]

All around the world.

[Michael]

You have a ceasefire, the border's frozen, you never get that land back. If Ukraine wants any chance of getting any land back or wants different borders than what they are now, you do not want a ceasefire. And I haven't heard anybody else say that, but that's clearly true.

[Joe Getty]

Well, the problem is that Russia is on the front foot. So I could see Ukraine saying, yeah, let's freeze them now before we lose those four critical defensive cities in the east. But why would Russia agree to that? Because they don't want to spend all those lives, machine gun fodder. No, they're spending them willy nilly.

[Michael]

Yeah, but the idea that the borders get locked in place on a ceasefire. I didn't hear anybody else bring up the entire weekend other than Leon Panetta. And that is what happens lots of times seen see Korea.

[Joe Getty]

How's that differ though from a more extensive peace settlement? Might have better borders, I guess.

[Michael]

Yeah, you can argue over where the border is going to be. You do the ceasefire and it just gets locked there. All the troops get lined up, you know, to enforce the ceasefire and he just you never move the borders again.

[Joe Getty]

So read a great piece about U. S Russian relations that mentioned the big Armenian Azerbaijani agreement the other day that I thought, oh that's nice. They're not killing each other. That was a major blow to Putin.

[Michael]

Didn't know that.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that in a little bit. The drive by inch deep analysis of Trump's foreign policy misses a lot and Trump makes me nuts. But there's a lot going on, man.

[Michael]

There is some AI therapy stories out there that we should discuss that's it's its own interesting realm and world. You should be aware of this, especially if your kids are doing it on their own. I don't know how you stomp them. But anyway, we got a whole bunch of things to talk about today. Stay here.

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Drugmaker Novo Nordisk is slashing prices for its popular weight loss drugs, Ozempic and Wegovy. A month's supply of either drug is being offered for. For $499.

[Jack Armstrong]

That's half of the prior list price.

[Michael]

Patients can order the drugs from Novo.

[Jack Armstrong]

Nordisk or at participating pharmacies, the company.

[Michael]

Hoping to compete with cheaper compounding pharmacies. So what price did they say there? 499. 499. And it used to be a thousand. So it's down to $500. And who knows where it'll be in a couple of years. I wonder if, like, practically everybody's gonna be on some dosage of that stuff soon or maybe half of people anyway.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I don't think that's a crazy notion. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[Michael]

Huh. And what did you have? Do you know people that are doing it?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael]

Oh, really?

[Joe Getty]

Knowing a handful. Yeah. One of our neighbors is, and they're.

[Michael]

Pretty happy with it.

[Joe Getty]

I haven't talked to him a lot about it.

[Michael]

Were they. Were they pretty overweight or just mildly overweight?

[Joe Getty]

Oh, let's see. I'm thinking of a couple of people, uncomfortably so.

[Michael]

Because originally it was for the profoundly obese. And I feel like it's been getting moving. The line has been moving. Of course, there's a lot of money to be made. The move. The line is moving more toward, you know, just not quite where I want to be.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Well. And a lot of health problems to be avoided, too. That's, you know, some of the standards for what's obesity and what's overweight. They seem crazy until you become aware of. All right, how overweight do I need to be to have an increased risk of colon cancer, say, or heart disease or whatever? And it's not. You don't need to be enormous. No.

[Michael]

I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a. A drug that people, I mean, like blood pressure medicine. I mean, it's just something lots and lots of people take at a certain point in their lives because you're, I don't know, 20 pounds heavier than you want to be, as opposed to £200.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. I hope they can dial it in a Little bit better because there are significant sound. Sound effects. Side effects. But that's a sound effect. A side effect is when you take a drug and.

[Michael]

Unintended.

[Joe Getty]

Exactly. Anyway. But I'm sure they'll improve it as time goes by. I mean, it is such an enormous. No pun intended, market. I mean, if the pharmaceutical companies are enthusiastic about anything, it's finding better and more comfortable weight loss drugs.

[Michael]

So what. What's the side effect that gets your attention the most? I haven't looked into this stuff much.

[Joe Getty]

So nausea is a big deal. Like for some people, like all the time.

[Michael]

Nausea?

[Joe Getty]

Yeah. Serious, serious feeling. Terrible. Vomiting?

[Michael]

Well, no, that.

[Joe Getty]

Intestinal problems.

[Michael]

That's no good.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah. I don't remember. I read a list at one point there.

[Michael]

And there are spontaneous and uncontrollable bowel movements.

[Joe Getty]

Oh, boy. You don't want that. Really? I mean, she got a lifestyle that's very different than mine. Well, right. And there are some, like serious life threatening side effects too, but a very small percentage.

[Michael]

What. What lifestyle would lend itself to spontaneous, uncontrollable bowel movements?

[Joe Getty]

Maybe you're like an isolated farmer somewhere. You're thinking, well, another pair of breeches into the wash. Oh, my God. I mean, this. It's hard to picture.

[Michael]

I don't know many, but the price is half. Now that is something. Okay, that moves it into the range for a lot more people.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, I would say. And could, you know, save a lot of lives. Of course you have to stick with it. You can't go back to eating like a horse. You know, it's somewhat disciplined.

[Michael]

Same as blood pressure medicine. That's. It's going to be like that.

[Joe Getty]

Or statins, maybe an even better example, the cholesterol medications that, you know, huge percentage of people are on. Anyway, it's a very, very important anniversary today and I want to pay tribute to the thing I'm trying to figure out how to say without explaining what it is. One of the best, most important books of all time was released on today's date.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Joe Getty]

And I want to salute it. And the Bible. No, no, it didn't actually have a formal release date. Jack. Was it Minecamp trivia? It was mine. No, not Mein Kampf. Michael. Stay with us.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

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[Christina Quinn]

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[Jacob Goldstein]

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[Joe Getty]

So later this year, MSNBC will become.

[Mike Lyons]

Ms. Now, they say the new acronym.

[Joe Getty]

Means my source for news, opinion and the world. But others believe it stands for Miserable no one Watches. Wow. All right, that fits awfully well. Miserable Less no one Watches. That's pretty good. On the other end of the worth looking into scale, it was 80 years ago today, in 1945, that George Orwell's Animal Farm was released, which is worth discussing on a number of different levels, including the fact that Orwell had written several things prior to it which were not very good and was really struggling as a writer and it just his projects didn't come together quite right and it would have been very easy to get give up. I mean, he's, he's rightfully worshiped for his prescient, you know, and insightful descriptions of totalitarianism and how it works and how it progresses inch by inch and stuff like that. But hell, he's a testament to hanging in there and, and, you know, working hard. Anyway, so I came across this thread of comment on, on Animal Farm, which, if you haven't read it since high school, read it again. I try to read it every couple of years. It's about talking pigs, right well, quite a few talking animals, Jack. It's practically a Disney film. It's just wonderful. So read it to your three.

[Michael]

Kind of a Charlotte Web like thing.

[Joe Getty]

Yes, unless your 3 year old likes mass executions. Don't read them Animal Farm. Anyway, so this, this author has trotted out 10 truths from animal Farm Orwell warned us to never forget. And the first is Revolution. Revolution contains the seeds of its own corruption. Power corrupts. ABC 123 need not dwell on that. Power corrupts incrementally through small compromises. And he gives examples from the book. And the first, small inequality sets a precedent that escalates step by step to mass executions and Napoleon the pig becoming an absolute dictator. Spoiler alert.

[Michael]

So spoiler alert on an 80 year old book that seems to be true. I guess that's why you don't give an inch, huh? On a variety of things.

[Joe Getty]

Well, right, yeah, yeah. Corruption tends to grow by inches, not by, you know, yards or miles. They get better as they go. Interestingly enough, point number three is language becomes a weapon to control reality itself.

[Michael]

We've lived that situation for the past five years or more.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, folks, we probably don't need to expand on that notion. But if there, if I could boil down, you know, I've got a list of roughly 144 jihads at this point. But number one, I think honestly is to help people understand how when they tell you what words to use and start changing those words and demanding that you use their words, not the words you've always used. That's two things. Number one, they're trying to pervert meaning and therefore, you know, win the, the argument by just, you know, cloudying the waters. Clouding the waters. But secondly, they're demanding an act of submission from you and it's an important one because, you know, without free speech, may we be led like dumb animals to the slaughter.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But sometimes it sometimes is definitely that. Sometimes it's just helps persuade people. Pro choice is going to persuade more people than pro abortion.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Gender affirming care settles the argument. Wait a minute. It's not a sex change operation or an experiment on a confused child. It's affirming the gender that they are. How can you disagree with that? Man?

[Michael]

The left is why I go.

[Joe Getty]

I know.

[Michael]

The left wins that battle all the time. I mean, all conservatives, Fox News, everybody always adopts the language of the left.

[Joe Getty]

Always. Yeah, I actually semi regularly badger Fox News to stop using the term bender. Gender affirming care and it and back to language becoming A weapon to control reality itself. It eventually culminates in the absurd contradiction. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. Ignorance is manufactured to enable oppression. Napoleon the pig raises puppies in isolation to become his vicious guard dogs. Will deliberately keeping other animals illiterate so they cannot read the altered commandments. Am I such a conspiracy theorist that I think, I mean we, I think most of us have agreed that government schools in America now are indoctrinating kids into postmodernism, Neo Marxism, Wokeism. Right. Are they deliberately not teaching the kids to be capable and self reliant or is that kind of an after effect?

[Michael]

I don't know if I believe that. But a good example would be what the church at its first did up until the, you know, Protestant Reformation. You, you weren't, you weren't in on the ability to read and determine for yourself what was. What was going on.

[Joe Getty]

Right, right. More key takeaways from Animal Farm on its birthday. Historical memory can be erased and rewritten. Now speaking of Orwell, read 1984. Oh yeah, with Big Brother and all and Big Brothers watching. No, read it. You have to read the idea of erasing historical memory, perverting a people's own history so they don't know who they are. And then you can supply them an alternate history that puts them where you want them to be. They're not accidentally Howard Zinning our history in schools. It's a deliberate strategy.

[Michael]

1619 Project.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That was not inaccurate because they move too fast or something like that. It was deliberately designed to make Western civilization ashamed of itself and anxious for its own change. Anyway, I could elaborate, but erasing history is enormously popular. Is enormously important. Rather, point 6, propaganda is more powerful than physical force. Squealer the pig constantly threatens that Jones will come back if animals don't obey while presenting false statistics showing increased food production even as the animals starve. They believe their suffering serves the greater good. Just bad information.

[Michael]

Interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Scapegoating enables.

[Michael]

And those pigs didn't have the Internet. That's the problem we got. They didn't have as much misinformation.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's a good point. Scapegoating enables political manipulation. That's kind of self explanatory. I think if you blame, say, I don't know, white people or Jews or black people or whatever for the ills of society, you don't have to take responsibility for them and fix them. Point number eight, fear and violence reshaped consciousness itself. The you Know, the pig regime created so much terror that even questioning orders became unthinkable. Again, that speaks for itself. And now this is one of the parts I really wanted to get to. Mass conformity is engineered, not natural. This relates directly to what we've been talking about the last couple of days. And that's preference falsification, where everybody starts to believe. Everybody believes something other than what they believe. It's a deliberate strategy. And the sheep in Animal Farm are trained to mindlessly chant slogans and drown out any dissent by bleating on for minutes on end. And they easily switch from four legs good, two legs bad to four legs good, two legs better when the pigs start walking upright. That's what they're trying to do to the kids to teach them to mindlessly bleat. You can choose your gender. White people, white supremacy. We need to eliminate whiteness. They have no idea what they're talking about. They're the useful idiots term you hear sometimes. And Jack will semi frequently have the conversation. Do like the college administrators and the teachers, the school teachers and all. Do they know that they're neo Marxist postmodernists trying to tear down Western civilization? And the answer is, some of them do. But a lot of them are just the sheep from Animal Farm. They're bleating four legs good, two legs bad. And final point, the working classes. Loyalty becomes their exploitation. Um, if you can get people tribal enough, they will let you get away with anything. Anyway, read Animal Farm. It's great. It's short and it's got talking animals in it. So it's pretty much just like, I don't know, Finding Nemo or, or Charlotte's Web. A lot like that.

[Michael]

The Three Little Pigs.

[Joe Getty]

Again, it's more torture and murder, but very much like the three.

[Michael]

Yeah, worth pointing out both those books, 1984 and Animal Farm. You could read it in the afternoon if you really wanted to.

[Joe Getty]

Animal 84 is a little longer than that, but it's. It's worth it. Absolutely worth it. It's a compelling read. Anyway, a note from our friends at Trust and Will. You can get security and peace of mind by making an estate plan. Now, you've looked into this, you've talked to a lawyer. Thousands of dollars. Nope. Create and manage a custom estate plan starting at just 199 bucks.

[Michael]

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[Joe Getty]

And if you're not to hip to why you would want to do this in the first place, if you go without formal documents saying what's supposed to happen, your loved ones will end up fighting each other or the courts or the government hating each other and the government will keep most of your money. It's terrible. Go to trustandwill.com today get 20% off on your estate plan documents. Secure your assets, protect your loved ones with trust and will trustandwill.com Armstrong Use that code to get 20% off your estate plan documents. Trustandwill.com Armstrong I just looked up at.

[Michael]

The Twitter feed our friend Tim retweeted. It's it's a video of how hedgehogs mate for some reason and the in the delicate way in which the female hedgehog has to flatten her spines so that the male hedgehog can get up close enough to it's really fascinating if you're appreciated. On my list of things I thought I would see this morning when I got up, I wasn't hedgehogs mating. I didn't think that One thing I did think I would see or hear about Labubu. I got nothing to say about it. I just wanted to get the word on because apparently you need to say it or discuss it at least once a day during this current moment in time. There you go.

[Joe Getty]

Good. We checked that box.

[Michael]

We checked the box.

[Joe Getty]

We got it on the air.

[Michael]

I wanted, I want to check this box, the whole AI therapist thing, which is troubling. An article in the New York Times the other day that you should probably be aware about if you're a parent as you head into the school year. Especially if you got teenage girls, I suppose.

[Joe Getty]

All right, final note on the Animal Farm thing, the first comment under the thread the first time I saw it was there are echoes of that today.

[Michael]

That's insightful. Oh, that's some good ass right there.

[Joe Getty]

Well, it's better not getting it, I suppose. Yes, yes, there are echoes.

[Michael]

Yes. Okay, stay tuned.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[iHeart Sports Announcer]

The reviews and ratings are in and Ice Cube's Big Three is the surprise hit of the summer and to cap off the season, iHeart presents the Big 3 Basketball Championship and 8th Annual Big 3 All Star Game this coming Sunday, August 24th. Live from Orlando, the remaining two teams fought it out for the Big 3 Championship Dr. J Trophy in the most physical, fierce and competitive basketball league in the world. Don't miss the wild conclusion of Big Three's eighth and most historic season ever. This is the game no one wants to lose and there's no crying in the Big three. The action starts with the Big Three eighth Annual All Star Game. Don't miss All Stars Dwight Howard, Montrez Harrell, MVP Michael Beasley, Lance will make you Dan Stevenson, Jordan Crawford, Greg Monroe, Earl Clark, Nasir Kor and more show you why they are the best three on three basketball players in the world. Big three's exciting all star game plus the crowning of a new big three champion. The no holds part action starts Sunday at 2pm Eastern, 11 Pacific only on CBS.

[Trust and Will Announcer]

Life moves fast. A new home, a new baby, a new chapter. But without an estate plan, your future's still vulnerable. With trust and will, you can name guardians, start a trust, create health care directives and more. All online in about an hour. It's attorney designed, state specific and built to protect what you love. Plans start at just $199 and every plan is safe, secure and kept completely private. From families with young kids to adults caring for aging parents, trust in will makes it simple to take control without a law office, paperwork, stress or court delays. Go to trustandwill.com and use code RADIO to save 20%. Start your plan today. Don't wait for life to force your hand. Estate planning is one of the smartest, most loving things you can do. Trust and Will is an online estate planning service. See website for details.

[Joe Getty]

Trust and Will.

[Christina Quinn]

Hi, I'm Cindy Crawford and I'm the founder of Meaningful Beauty. Well, I don't know about you, but like, I never liked being told, oh, wow, you look so good for your age. Like, why even bother saying that? Why don't you just say you look great at any age, every age. That's what Meaningful Beauty is all about. We create products that make you feel confident in your skin at the age you are now. Meaningful Beauty. Beautiful skin at every age. Learn [e-mail].

[Jacob Goldstein]

This is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? Business software is expensive. And when you buy software from lots of different companies, it's not only expensive, it gets confusing. Slow to use, hard to integrate. Odoo solves that because all Odoo software is connected on a single affordable platform. Save money without missing out on the features you need. Odoo has no hidden costs and no limit on features or data. Odoo has over 60 apps available for any needs your business might have, all at no additional charge. Everything from websites to sales to inventory to accounting, all linked and talking to each other. Check out Odoo at O D O o dot com. That's O D O o dot com.

[Michael]

Canada, usually one of our warmest neighbors and our second largest trading partner. So for the unforeseeable future, some of their products sold to the US will have to suffer the new 35% tariff, the price for not giving in. We crossed the border and met Canadians who told us they won't even step foot in the United States even if the two countries eventually come to a new deal. It's become a movement here. Elbows up. They call it elbows out.

[Joe Getty]

Elbows up.

[Michael]

A phrase from the ice rink telling hockey players to raise their elbows and fight back. And it's become a rallying cry against America's tariffs. So I guess I get the whole the tariff thing, but we have anecdotal evidence from someone who is Canadian adjacent saying they're personally aware of Canadians that will not come into the United States because they're afraid of what will happen to them if they cross the border.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah, yeah, because the anti Canadian purges going on and the, well, the Canadian confinement camps that have popped up here. What?

[Michael]

And I love Canada.

[Joe Getty]

They mean crime. Or do they actually fear like Trump is rounding up Canadians?

[Michael]

Well, I don't know, but I, I, I have a story from. Geez, 20 years ago, maybe. Gladys. Many years ago when I was traveling across Canada, I've Done a fair amount of traveling in Canada. I really, really like Canada. But I remember being in a bar up in Canada one time and sitting there with a couple of old Canadian dudes drinking probably molson whatever and mentioned I'm from the United States and they said, oh my God, are you. What's it like? And that sort of thing. They, they hadn't been. And we got on the topic and it became clear to me they, their impression of the United States was you're just dodging bullets the entire time you go anywhere in the United States. Just walking down the street anywhere, it's just bullets flying everywhere and non stop crime and, and, and the guns and the shootings and the just oh, I can't even imagine what that must be like.

[Joe Getty]

And I thought how do you have.

[Michael]

Such a. I mean, yes, Chicago. They brought up Chicago. Chicago's, you know, much more dangerous than where you lived here in rural Canada. But it's not like a death sentence to just show up in Chicago. Tens of thousands of people every do every day. It's one of the busiest airports in the world. I mean lots of people. So I, I just, it was interesting to me that they had such a exaggerated warped view of how dangerous the United States was. And so maybe that's happening now with the immigration stuff. Is that what it is?

[Joe Getty]

Well, you got the terrorist thing, but the whole we're gonna annex you thing really pissed off Canada, I get that. But really did in fact it's decimating u. S. Booze and wine industries.

[Michael]

Fully understand why you would not dig the United States talking about taking you over as a state. But I don't understand why you would then be afraid to step foot in the United States. Being afraid to step foot in the United States is different than I won't go there out of disgust. And that's just, I just can't even imagine what that is. But anyway.

[Joe Getty]

Right. Yeah.

[Michael]

One to alert you to that the.

[Joe Getty]

Key to traveling anywhere is to ask somebody knowledgeable, where should I not go? If you do that, you're going to be fine in most places.

[Michael]

Yeah. I always use the. Are there young women walking alone around here? Are there like 21 year old college girls walking down the street by themselves? That's a pretty good tip.

[Joe Getty]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Different topic. I just saw the backlash that is growing against the remodel of cracker barrels across the United States.

[Joe Getty]

Oh.

[Michael]

As a big fan of cracker barrels nationwide, I am not happy to hear about this. I was, I wasn't aware they're getting rid of the Old timey look look. The old timey cabin look. And going with a modern, sleek, brightly lit plastic booths sort of vibe as opposed to, you know, wicker and wood and I'm in a log cabin. And then the 1880s sort of thing that they had had forever.

[Joe Getty]

And a lot more cracker vase than a Cracker Barrel.

[Michael]

And again, keep the names I don't know. But a fair amount of blowback from those of us on probably on the older end we did Cracker Barrel. And like the old timey look. Boy, oh boy, oh boy. That's a. That's a gutsy thing to do when you're a business with a long time established anything and think do we try to. Do we try to get the next generation by modernizing because perhaps young people aren't like as interested in the old timey cabin vibe. Or do we just stick with the tried and true. This is a you lose your job forever sort of decision if you're a CEO.

[Joe Getty]

And I just saw hiring Dylan Mulvaney level.

[Michael]

Yes, this is new Coke. Perhaps there wasn't wrong with anything wrong with the old Coke. And I just saw the CEO of Cracker Barrel up on the early show on CBS trying to explain herself to the blowback out there. We'll see.

[Joe Getty]

I'm sure the changes will be pleasing to both our longtime customers and new customers. We're changing Cracker Barrel to Kale Vaz. Welcome to Kale Vaz.

[Michael]

Right.

[Joe Getty]

Come on in.

[Michael]

This is all I know. If I walk into one and I can't buy a Kenny Rogers greatest hit CD right there at the front desk, I'm leaving. That's why I'm there for the Reba McIntyre CDs.

[Joe Getty]

We'll have a drag queen meet you at its door and escort you to your shiny modernistic table.

[Michael]

We'll have a drag queen meet you at the door. This isn't Crack the Cracker Barrel. I remember.

[Joe Getty]

Where's the little triangle thing where you move the pegs?

[Michael]

The Indy Q test, where is it Right now? They got some sort of which gender are you? Test, remove the pigs. Right.

[Joe Getty]

I like this event. And the answer is whichever one you want to be.

[Michael]

This is bull crap. And Dylan Mulvaney will be the Cracker Barrel spokesman.

[Joe Getty]

I'm here for chicken fried straight sake, not gender bending madness.

[Michael]

Wow. Oh, boy. We got a lot of good clips, I think. Damned interesting clips out of that historic gathering at the White House yesterday, including some comic moments, some levity that happened about old Zielinski's suit, among other things. We can get to an hour three. If you miss it, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on Demand Armstrong and.

[Mike Lyons]

Getty.

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Song Stands about an obsessed fan who's taken me too literal from Eminem and.

[Jack Armstrong]

The producers of 8 Mile.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Never seen anything like Eminem fans.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is the story of a fan.

[iHeart Sports Announcer]

Base I had to look in the.

[Jack Armstrong]

Mirror and be like, am I one of these crazy Stans that created a culture?

[Christina Quinn]

I do have an addiction to Eminem.

[Michael]

I travel the world for him.

[Joe Getty]

Without Eminem, I wouldn't have the life.

[Mike Lyons]

I have right now.

[Jacob Goldstein]

What's your first question?

[Jack Armstrong]

Stan's new documentary, streaming August 26th on Paramount.

[Jacob Goldstein]

This is Jacob Goldstein from what's yous Problem? When you buy business software from lots of vendors, the costs add up and it gets complicated and confusing. Odoo solves this. It's a single company that sells a suite of enterprise apps that handles everything from accounting to inventory to sales. Odoo is all connected on a single platform in a simple and affordable way. You can save money without missing out on the features you need. Check out [e-mail]. that's o d o o dot com.

[Jack Armstrong]

This is an iHeart podcast.